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Patriots Unfiltered 10/29: Recapping Jets Win, Brissett's Rally, Receiver Room · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: Alex will not be here.
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  Speaker 4: She has sent her pick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, feeling a little under the weather today. She got
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  Speaker 3: something she thinks she picked up telling not to touch
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  Speaker 3: dirty things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: The one and six Panthers are at the four and
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  Speaker 3: three Broncos.
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  Speaker 4: Where are they playing at home?
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  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. I mean, the league has gotten away with
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  Speaker 3: this for thirty years.
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  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: The worst thing, it's it's Fred's favorite team too. The
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  Speaker 4: Broncos used to be when we played in high school.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we ran the play, and you ran the play,
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  Speaker 4: Jimmy golant To. You would come back and say, Paul
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  Speaker 4: I was open, Like I wouldn't have read the field
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  Speaker 4: and done that, only because I was so sick of
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  Speaker 4: listening to them every play.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think you could go into the wide receiver
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  Speaker 3: room and tell that story?
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  Speaker 4: And I think I could tell them to you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: shut the right get in there, off your phone, As
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  Speaker 4: Teddy Bruski would say, to Chad O Cho Senko, get
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  Speaker 4: off your phone and getting your playbook.
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  Speaker 3: Paul finishes his five minute like you know, fire and
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  Speaker 3: Brimstone speech walks out and they're.
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  Speaker 4: Like, who was that. That's the guy that works on
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  Speaker 4: the website.
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  Speaker 6: He just knows.
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: It is Tuesday here at Let's Stadium, and it's a
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  Speaker 3: victory Tuesday because the Patriots beat the Jets. It's always
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  Speaker 3: a good day when the Jets lose, and even better
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  Speaker 3: when you win when you beat them.
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  Speaker 4: So what I was doing the pup, but I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: on oh victory Tuesday. Absolutely. I just want to echo
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  Speaker 4: your sentiments from the post game show and let you
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  Speaker 4: give get a chance to reiterate. Just I'm proud.
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  Speaker 3: I'm proud of the guys, I'm proud of the bounce back,
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  Speaker 3: I'm proud of the fight.
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  Speaker 4: The response, yeah it, m yeah, Fred Fred had a
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  Speaker 4: lot of pride, beaming with pride. One might say, Mike,
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  Speaker 4: that's taking that beaming with pride.
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  Speaker 8: I feel like I was I was so off because
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  Speaker 8: I had computer issues, so I didn't enjoy the win
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  Speaker 8: at all. He was like, I got home that like
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  Speaker 8: I got home Sunday night, and I like had to
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  Speaker 8: rewatch it on TV, just the ending, just the end
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  Speaker 8: of the whole game.
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  Speaker 6: Don't worry to Paul, just the ending.
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  Speaker 8: And I was like, this is great, what a nice win.
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  Speaker 8: And all of a sudden, I had this like where
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  Speaker 8: was this energy for the postgame show?
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  Speaker 6: And I had to talk about it because I was
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  Speaker 6: so like, I can't publish my thing, and I like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and I had to.
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  Speaker 4: Get a late step.
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  Speaker 3: I was so frazzled, rattled, and I wasn't really.
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  Speaker 4: Honest with you. I didn't sense that. Now I seem
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  Speaker 4: I know that like you were, you had some no
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  Speaker 4: I know, we had computer issues. He touted that when
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  Speaker 4: it came down. But I thought, you know, I thought
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  Speaker 4: you brought energy. You disputed Fred's pride.
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  Speaker 3: That was jump in.
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  Speaker 6: You know that energy from my future energy.
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  Speaker 4: So I used it.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm hoping to have a little good feel to
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good win last year, last week. Last week
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  Speaker 3: the theme was we're soft. This week, we're hard.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, all of us, He actually said that. He
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  Speaker 4: said that on the post game show and almost I
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  Speaker 4: almost lost the diapet. So yeah, I mean good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the only negative coming out of the game
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  Speaker 3: is Drake May and the concussion protocol. We're all waiting
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  Speaker 3: to see what happens. I mean the way Gerard talked
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  Speaker 3: about it and he saw him, you know, at halftime
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  Speaker 3: or something. May was trying to make the case to
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  Speaker 3: go back in. I know it has nothing to do.
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  Speaker 3: It's up to the doctors, but I'm hoping that you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was minor. He's going through the protocol and he
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  Speaker 3: does get to play this week, but no one has
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  Speaker 3: any idea.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, how coock do we know? I mean it was
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  Speaker 6: until tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: With he's out there tomorrow, I that he'll know it
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  Speaker 4: pretty late.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what you think.
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  Speaker 4: You'll have to wait, yeah, to It didn't get it
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  Speaker 4: announced until Saturday, and he was practicing all.
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  Speaker 9: Week, so they see how it goes, right, because right
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  Speaker 9: he could have setbacks, you know, get out of practice
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  Speaker 9: and then have a setback.
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  Speaker 4: So okay, yeah, yeah, And I would just sort of
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  Speaker 4: add when Gerard said that he had talked to the
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  Speaker 4: trainer in quote unquote, it didn't seem that bad. That
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  Speaker 4: was before he was declared that he had a concussion. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 4: so I mean I don't. I just don't want to
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  Speaker 4: raise anything Ipecas Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm just I
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  Speaker 4: don't and I don't know. I mean, I've seen plenty
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  Speaker 4: of examples where guys have gotten a concussion and played
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  Speaker 4: the next game, and I've seen plenty where they haven't.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the time they don't.
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  Speaker 4: I would say most of the time they don't.
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  Speaker 9: Statistically it's very high actually that I would agree with.
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  Speaker 3: That, So that would be discouraging. But otherwise, you picked
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  Speaker 3: up your second win. Drake may look good while he
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  Speaker 3: was in there, especially his feet.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then hey, Jacoby came in and did what he
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  Speaker 3: had to do. And probably I heard one person describe
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  Speaker 3: that pass he made to Booty at the end being
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  Speaker 3: the best pass he made in his career. You know,
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  Speaker 3: forget about in the game.
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  Speaker 4: That was Mike Reese. Mike Reese, not a you know,
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  Speaker 4: Johnny cum lately, he's been around a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had one thing that he said that the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots haven't played in Tennessee since twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 9: In Tennessee in the regular season.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, in the regular season.
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  Speaker 9: We were there last year, right, right, preseason.
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  Speaker 6: Twenty nineteah, right, yeah, okay, we're just talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the regular season's about right, yep, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: what else?
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  Speaker 6: What else in the Jets and a tailsman? How about that?
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  Speaker 9: Check will tell you all about it?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that's that's that's perfect prescient Paul Perillo calling
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  Speaker 8: that one.
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  Speaker 4: Do I get anything to that? Yeah, when you said no,
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  Speaker 4: he won't bring it up, I said, oh no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're right, yeah, no, I immediately.
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  Speaker 4: Said and the one what is the one thing he
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  Speaker 4: said about the Patriots?
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  Speaker 9: Good Win by who?
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  Speaker 4: Great drive by who? Who drafted him?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So I and the rest was about that. Now, in
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  Speaker 4: fairness to Bill here, you know we've been I have
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  Speaker 4: been snarky with Bill, but this nationally, this game was
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  Speaker 4: about the Jets nationally, of course, So I understand if
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  Speaker 4: Bill and the shows that he's on are going to
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  Speaker 4: focus more on the Jets. As Mike said, crash and burn,
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  Speaker 4: because it's and let's get I'll give you your flowers me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to give you your flowers exactly the way you
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  Speaker 4: said it in the summer is exactly what's happened in
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  Speaker 4: the first eight weeks of the Jets season. Hasn't been
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  Speaker 4: about injuries, hasn't been about anything like that. Just hasn't worked.
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  Speaker 4: That just hasn't worked. And Evn said that that it's
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  Speaker 4: not going to work.
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  Speaker 3: They just cannot get out of.
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  Speaker 4: I can be fair.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why it's just not going to work.
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  Speaker 4: But most people, in all seriousness, I'm joking with you
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  Speaker 4: because I do know that. That's why you said it.
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  Speaker 4: Like most people that said the Jets thing, it's it's
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  Speaker 4: not gonna it was like Rogers will get hurt, they'll
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  Speaker 4: jets it up.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, like they have jets it up in a different way.
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  Speaker 3: And Rogers is contributing to it. He is huge.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think he's just being.
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  Speaker 3: Difficult to work with when it comes to the coaches
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  Speaker 3: and it reflects in the game and.
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  Speaker 4: He's not playing with.
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  Speaker 5: Quarter.
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  Speaker 3: That's all on Rogers, I think, I really do.
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  Speaker 4: I agree. But to your point about the response, I
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  Speaker 4: thought that's the the key takeaway. Before we started, Fred
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  Speaker 4: looked at the three of us, what's that? What are
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  Speaker 4: we gonna do today? What's our theme today? I think
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  Speaker 4: the theme is they responded I mean it wasn't perfect. No,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the whole definition of soft according to both
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  Speaker 4: Belichick and Mayo, the whole run, the ball stopped to run.
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  Speaker 4: You can make an argument they didn't do great at
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  Speaker 4: those things, but the mental toughness they showed to me
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  Speaker 4: was the That was the response.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they kept fighting. I mean, like you said, they
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  Speaker 8: gave up plays here and there. But I think just
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  Speaker 8: uh I told him, and I only grinded the defensive tape.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't get to big Shot, my favorite week, No,
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  Speaker 8: but I I just I came away more impressed. I
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  Speaker 8: came away more impressed with Key on White. Maybe I
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  Speaker 8: deserve fred an apology because I think it was a
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  Speaker 8: Freder Matt that had.
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  Speaker 4: Him on that I did not say. No, he gets
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  Speaker 4: a little defensive with his list.
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  Speaker 8: I got a Key on White blind spot, I think
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  Speaker 8: because I I mean, he certainly had, but but he was,
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  Speaker 8: you know, disruptive, and he made some big plays and
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  Speaker 8: some key moments too.
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  Speaker 4: I just I just don't at that play I did
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  Speaker 4: remember at the time, but.
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  Speaker 6: I thought he was good.
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  Speaker 9: He was a rough early yeah, early on, he got edge,
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  Speaker 9: just got pan tight end for the Jets got pancaked
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  Speaker 9: and got lucky that Bristol tripped over their legs. Otherwise
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  Speaker 9: it would have been an eighty yard house call.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 9: But then he as a game wre on for ke
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  Speaker 9: On White, I thought the film got better and better,
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  Speaker 9: and he he finished really strong.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's always a couple times against guards during a
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  Speaker 8: game where they just look over matched against him, and
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  Speaker 8: it's you know, not every down, but there's always a
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  Speaker 8: couple that you're like, they miss. I mean, I thought
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  Speaker 8: I thought Jerremy Thumbs was pretty good too.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, he said had a nice run stuff early on
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  Speaker 9: whim over Tyland Smith, as you know, had some experience.
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  Speaker 8: I know he played against him in We three too,
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  Speaker 8: So uh no, I credit those guys. It's just I
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  Speaker 8: think those are one of the things where watching it,
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  Speaker 8: the live bullets flying, you're not always locked in on
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  Speaker 8: every single guy, and just at least defensively, going back
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  Speaker 8: and looking at it, I felt like they really they competed.
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  Speaker 8: They competed, and and even though there were some bad plays,
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  Speaker 8: they didn't get down on the dumps. They didn't seem
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  Speaker 8: to feel sorry for themselves. They were able to, you know,
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  Speaker 8: bounce back and make it graze.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they're you know, a couple bad plays, but
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to tackling, but I thought the tackling
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  Speaker 3: was much better the past few games.
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  Speaker 8: And I'd say, like, like Christian Ellis is fast and
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  Speaker 8: that's I mean, that's not much to say about him,
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  Speaker 8: but he's fast and he gets in trouble. But I
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  Speaker 8: think he also, you know, has some some good plays
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  Speaker 8: and coverage where he closes some you know, gaps quickly.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, I think they they got a better
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  Speaker 8: performance wise, showed up a couple you know.
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  Speaker 9: The interior run defense was much better. Yeah, they didn't
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  Speaker 9: get pushed around like they did against the Jaguars. They
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  Speaker 9: still couldn't stop outside runs.
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  Speaker 4: The problem in the first half mostly, but yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Some of those, Godshaw said after the game, and I
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  Speaker 9: thought it was backed up, were like kind of game
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  Speaker 9: planned runs by the Jets to get the ball to
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  Speaker 9: the outside with Hall a couple of times, and they
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  Speaker 9: they really gashed him on some of those outside tosses
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  Speaker 9: and things like that. But the interior run defense Gotshaw
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  Speaker 9: wise Farms even Eric Johnson had a few reps in
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  Speaker 9: there where he was okay, uh, you know, they they
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  Speaker 9: did a much better job on the inside this week.
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  Speaker 9: And I thought Tobay was was better and Jennings is
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  Speaker 9: just good every week against the run. It's it's not
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  Speaker 9: happening on his side of the field, like you know,
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  Speaker 9: that's that's for sure. So I thought they were better
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  Speaker 9: against the run, but the numbers suggest that they weren't great.
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  Speaker 4: Still, they were definitely better though, yeah, yep, I mean
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and thirteen. I mean, I mean they were
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  Speaker 4: so sad last Sometimes you can't just say, like, well,
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  Speaker 4: the numbers don't tell the whole story. I just you know,
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  Speaker 4: to go from one hundred and seventy or so one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five on average the last five weeks
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  Speaker 4: down to one hundred and thirteen, that's better now.
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  Speaker 3: It's still not like they don't have good running backs.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and he averaged five yards to carry.
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  Speaker 9: So I you know, I shouldn't see wise.
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  Speaker 4: I gave him a half a point, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean. It's like if you wanted to say one, two, three,
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  Speaker 4: those three things, I give him half a check. In
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  Speaker 4: stopping the run, they couldn't run the ball, and they
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  Speaker 4: couldn't cover k they improved, they improved stopping the run.
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  Speaker 4: I would agree.
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  Speaker 3: The other news Ouce getting traded to the Chiefs for
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six six round pick. What did you think
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  Speaker 3: about that?
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  Speaker 9: Cascratch? And it's on this real quick with Bill, because
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  Speaker 9: usually I let the Bill bashing to Paul, I let
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  Speaker 9: him do that, but go ahead. But Bill goes on
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  Speaker 9: and he says, that's not much for a pretty good
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  Speaker 9: pass rusher. Why do you think that is okay?
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  Speaker 4: Bill?
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  Speaker 9: Who drafted him at the trade deadline last year when
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  Speaker 9: was on an expiring contract and he was scratched from
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  Speaker 9: games last year at the trade deadline because he was
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  Speaker 9: in trade rumors?
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  Speaker 4: What was the offer right?
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  Speaker 9: And what were you doing? Were you locked in? Were
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  Speaker 9: you trying to do what was best for the team
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  Speaker 9: or did you want to win as many games down
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  Speaker 9: the stretch? Like what was it that you were doing
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  Speaker 9: at that point in time, Because if a actual draft
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  Speaker 9: pick was on the table for Joshua Uch that could
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  Speaker 9: have helped the Patriots rebuild this roster this offseason. You
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  Speaker 9: blew it, Yeah, And I just feel like you go
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  Speaker 9: on TV and you say, oh, he's a good, pretty
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  Speaker 9: good player, that's you know, why did you make that trade?
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  Speaker 9: Why didn't you trade him last year when his value
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  Speaker 9: was higher, Bill.
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  Speaker 4: He is a pretty good player in a situational role.
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  Speaker 4: I think he is a decent situational pass rusher. But
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  Speaker 4: that doesn't mean you don't trade him. You know, he's
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  Speaker 4: an expiring contract. You made that mistake, as Evan absolutely
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  Speaker 4: correctly points out, last year, instead of chasing a record,
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  Speaker 4: you should have done what's best for the team and
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  Speaker 4: garnered a draft pick. The other part that Bill said,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you caught this, you know it's
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  Speaker 4: a twenty twenty six sixth round pick, because well that's
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's a waste. They were going to get
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  Speaker 4: that anyway. Yeah, in a compic, No, you can't, and
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  Speaker 4: you're not. It's wrong, I think, I mean, according to
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  Speaker 4: the way everybody. I mean, I trust Mike Reese implicitly
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  Speaker 4: with this stuff. And one year, three million dollar guy,
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  Speaker 4: you know now he's already on his set.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think you're gonna get off set by anyone.
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  Speaker 8: They're gonna sign some guys that we are going to
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  Speaker 8: easily offset that contract.
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  Speaker 9: It just rubs me the wrong way because I look,
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  Speaker 9: I don't know for a fact that there were better
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  Speaker 9: offers last year for j But I read back some
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  Speaker 9: of the reporting that was done from people last year,
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  Speaker 9: and it certainly sounded like there was a better offer
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  Speaker 9: than a twenty twenty six sixth round pick or whatever
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  Speaker 9: it was that they got for him. So you know,
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  Speaker 9: this could have been done this time last year and
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  Speaker 9: you might have actually had an asset. But I'm assuming
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  Speaker 9: that Bill didn't give a crap about the asset for
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  Speaker 9: this offseason, right, so, like, you know, they don't make
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  Speaker 9: the trade.
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  Speaker 3: And I just so that said, regardless of what Bill
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  Speaker 3: had to say, do you think they could have gotten
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  Speaker 3: more if they had held out maybe a couple more
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  Speaker 3: days or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh for this year, for this year? No, No, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I mean maybe maybe, yeah, maybe someone would
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  Speaker 4: have given you one this year, maybe Kansas I don't
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  Speaker 4: I didn't look into it. Maybe Kansas City didn't have one,
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  Speaker 4: or maybe they didn't want Kansas City's this year. Figuring
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  Speaker 4: there seven and ohero it's gonna be. I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, It's seemed interesting to me to see how they
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  Speaker 8: how they use them, and how productive he is with Spagnolo.
• 15:12
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's really respected, really good defensive coordinator. He
• 15:15
  Speaker 8: knows what he's doing. He's got some great pieces around there,
• 15:17
  Speaker 8: I mean complimentary pieces when had his big year. I
• 15:20
  Speaker 8: mean Bill even pointed out he had chewed on across
• 15:22
  Speaker 8: from when he had his big year, right, so he
• 15:25
  Speaker 8: can be that finisher that they need against some of
• 15:26
  Speaker 8: these athletic quarterbacks. I think it's the same kind of
• 15:29
  Speaker 8: philosophy why the Patriots kind of originally took him trying
• 15:31
  Speaker 8: to deal with. You know, I think we've seen it
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: in spurts where he can run down some of those
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: quarterbacks that are pretty mobile.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: Okay, but he's just always been what he was. He's
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: what he wasn't.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Calledst the run, No can't.
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: But it's you know, I'm just probably not and he's
• 15:44
  Speaker 8: probably gonna do the same thing in Kansas City. But
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: I am curious if Spagnolmo's got anything up asleep with
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: him where it's you know, a different system and different views.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: But if you're a Chiefs fan, you're like, listen, they're
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: sure doing whatever. They're not sitting, you know, they're undefeated,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: but we're not sitting. You know. Still we're trying to,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: you know, make that run.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: So I'd be very surprised. I'd be very surprised if
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: he didn't contribute. I don't think he's gonna go in
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: there and be like this whirlwind put you over this.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: But that's a team that's gonna play with the lead
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: more often than not. Mike brought up the you know
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: you're thinking about the playoffs, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, C. J. Stroud.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: You know, mobile quarterbacks that can make play some place.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: He's an athlete that can run with those guys.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: You think anybody else might be unloaded before the deadline,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: which is Tuesday, right, yep?
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean tough.
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: I mean Jonathan Jones banged up. I mean I might
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: throw him in the mix, but I think he's he's
• 16:39
  Speaker 8: been hurt. I think he's hard to move right now.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I don't think well, I don't think that they want
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: to move him either. I think that he's a pretty
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: pretty important guy for what they're trying to do.
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: Locker room guy.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe kJ Osborne.
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was gonna say one of the receivers, one.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Of the receivers in Osborne to me would be at
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: the top of the list.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: You think you'd do a more impactful thing if the
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: if the tray, if the draft pick you're getting in return,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: was big enough. Like you know, we mentioned Keon White.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: He's a guy that maybe a lot of teams say
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: have a bright future. But maybe you're willing to give
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: up a second round pick for him.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: You know, I would do that in a blink.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: But I don't you would.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think I would.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Question.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I would. Anyone's given you a
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: second round pick for that?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Really? Why because he's got a bright, big upside, then
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: keep them, That's what I'm saying. I don't think I
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: would do it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: But like, yeah, I mean, I don't think they have
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: any interest in training key On White. I think he's
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: a guy that they figured will be part of their future. Yeah,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: but I mean the second round pick.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think two.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: You're just so desperate for talented players. He drafted one.
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: You're developing him.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, don't don't get rid of him. Now, keep your drafting, developing,
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: keep doing it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: I like the thought, though, Freddy, Yeah, different, it's a
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: different surprise one.
• 17:51
  Speaker 9: I would say, just if they're a surprise one, like
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: maybe one of the guards, like they have like seventeen guards.
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: They don't need them all, you know, I don't.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Know, it seems like they have needed them all this year.
• 18:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but I don't know if they haven't any real value.
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: But he's injured now, so it complicates things. But like
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: a cold strange or city so or like one of
• 18:09
  Speaker 9: those players that you know, you have Onenhu, you have
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: Jordan who's played pretty well for you, you have Leyden Robinson,
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: there's a recent draft pick. Like how many of these
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: guards are really gonna factor into their future plans on
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: the offensive line, Like you really only need one backup
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: and you know you have four or five of them.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I don't like it, though, Fred outside the box, sure,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I don't think I agree with the boys.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I don't think that they would have any interest in
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: trading a guy like Keon White. But it's easy to
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: come up with veteran guy expiring contract. We all know
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: all those names, right, that would be one that would
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: be certainly different.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, So.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Jets win. I think it was a big win for
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the team. They're not going anywhere in terms of turning
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: the record around or playoffs, forget about that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I just think the day in terms of just.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Re establishing the program and you know, getting a little
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: bit of confidence back for Gerardmeo and the players in validation. Yeah, validation.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I think I think it was a big win. And uh,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: you said before the show that was a big yard.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: It was a big yard, you know, for for Stevenson.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: You know, And I think that you know, it's funny
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: because it's all perception, right. I think everything that we're
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: talking about that we liked about the game in terms
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: of their mental fortitude and you know, their response and handling,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: sort of the noise of the week all happened over
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the first you know, fifty nine minutes and forty seconds.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: If they didn't get the yard and it was close,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I mean they looked at it right, Yeah, But perception wise,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: it would be so different if they did all of
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: that and lost again, all the talk would be can
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: they get up off the mat? You know, and they
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: poured a lot out they you know, they emptied the
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: bucket in that, you know, emotionally, the backup quarterback comes
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: in and plays. I think that by far the best
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: game he's played this year. Yeah, per set, they can
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: they rebound from that. It's just so much different perception wise.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Are you surprised at how the Jets attacked per set?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Like they really didn't like send the house.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: You know, and they didn't really butz him until the
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: last drive.
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, last drive, they came after him a little bit.
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: I want to give a VP a little bit of flowers,
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: because if we're gonna kill him when they're down, then
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: I sure when they have a good games, we should
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: give him some praise. He's getting better at it, like
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: you can tell in the games that he's getting better
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: at you know, calling the right calls at the right
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: times and timing things up to the coverages and attacking
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: tendencies and things of that nature. I thought that last
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: couple of weeks really he deserves credit to for for Drake,
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: Like Drake May has been ready to play three weeks
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: in a row. They've had him ready to play. He
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: knows what he's looking at, he knows what they're asking
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: of him. He's making plays. He's head coach offense, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: you know, Drake May's development is his purview. Also, getting Jacoby,
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: you know, ready to be the backup is his purview too.
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: So they're run out. Their rushing attack is still dreadful, frankly,
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: but the passing game has gotten a lot better.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Doesn't it seem like so long ago that they were
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: racking up like one hundred and seventy yards on the ground.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah those the first game.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: They had, first couple.
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they had minus thirty one yards before contact in
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: this game, negative thirty one. That is that's hard to
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: do like that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: That is answer your question as to why stephensenter right, yeah, yeah,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: right on them. I mean he's getting hit every time
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: he gets Yeah, I mean he had seven force missed
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: tackles in this game and twenty four yards after contact,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: you know, above expectations.
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: So like you're looking at Remandre just any of the
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: running yards that they got were either Drake may or Remandre.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Just maybe something in the field.
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah. So they can't run block, that's a big concern.
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: But their past protection has been better and their scheming.
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: I think in the.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Past myself game yeah, right, one day I can't drive
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: and I can put next day my short game stinks,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: but then I can drive.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: You know, now all of a sudden they can pass
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: protect okay, and now they can't run block.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's definitely been better in protection. Yeah, that's
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: why I put it on. It was one of the
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: things I on my good list for the week. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: kind of blew it off a little bit in the
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville game because I didn't really think it was that
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: much better. It was just so much better than it
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: had been. But I think Jacksonville doesn't really get after
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: the passer at all. I still thought the numbers were
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: reasonably high. But this game, the Jets can get after
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: the passer a little bit. They killed them with it
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: in the first game. Now, I don't know how much
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: of that is the Jets maybe outthought themselves a little
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: bit and said, well, we sent all those all that
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: pressure at them the first time, they're going to be
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: more prepared for it. We're not going to do it
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: this time. I don't know if they kind of, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: they know what we we know. Maybe they they would themselves.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: But the pass protection was better. I mean, those guys
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: did a better job, I thought. Bill. One of the
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: things that Bill pointed out that I think was valid
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: was Thesan Reddick, you know, doing the Chris Slade chasing
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: cars behind the.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Course Chicago been a possible destination for Bill Belichick.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: After out the Chicago.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: After I hadn't heard that cornerback wouldn't have been taunting
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: the fans.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying that that wouldn't have happened. That's a
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: place where got the quarterback go in.
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: That works, Like he hits that bomb and that's what
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: they're and like we Patriots get in like one play,
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: like one play kind of it's like deflected to a
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: guy in the back of the end zone.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: You know, like just he just everything, you know.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Even the way he created time.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I was trying to take car away from him.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I'm a great play by Daniels. I don't know if
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: you guys watched any of that, like before, just the
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: highlight of the Hail Mary kind of a month. The
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter was an incredible football. It was really good.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Like Washington probably should have won the game by three
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: touchdowns prior to that because Chicago couldn't do anything offensively.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden they couldn't be Like Caleb
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Williams just caught fire in the fourth quarter. They had
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the long run at the end of the third quarter
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: by Swift and then they got all the way down
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: there to take the lead twice, and they tried to
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: hand the ball off to a lineman who dropped it. Yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: that wasn't a great handoff, and fairness to the lineman.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think Williams did a really good job of
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: giving the ball, but they fumbled inside the two yard
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: line yep. And then you're like, oh, they had a
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: chance to steal this game. Nope, they stopped him and
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: went right back down the field, and Williams made some
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: really really good plays to do it, and I thought
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: that was going to be like kind of a defining
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: win for him, and then all of a sudden they
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: came up by al Mary, which was amazing.
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: Can we normalize not backing off on Hail Mary's, Like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: I just they like two man three man rushes that
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: you see on Hail Mary's.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: The rush so stupid, it's ridiculous.
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: Like you got the quarterback. I saw it on Sunday
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: Night Football at Jayden Daniels had twelve seconds almost thirteen.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: It was like twelve yeah, nine to.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: Run around back there, like can you blitz them or
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: something like you just you don't have to put everybody
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: in the end.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Two things, the ineligible man downfield rule is still an
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: effect on a Hail Mary, right, Yeah, so you don't
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: have to, like you said, you don't have to do
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: it that way.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: The defense, it just does have to do with intelligible
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: men down field.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not like you can have guys down there
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: able to catch the ball.
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, because you're always talking only five
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: eligible receivers, right right, So can we have one, you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: six or guys down there instead of everybody or seven entirely?
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: What I would do, I would either do what Evan's
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: talking about now would I don't know if you guys
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: saw the week before, Probably you don't because I'm the
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: only one that cares about this crap. But Detroit, Minnesota
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: had a similar situation the prior week. It's about Midfield
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Minnesota's got uh hail Mary. They went after him and
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: they ended up sacking them. You know, they sent more
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: than they could block and they got them right. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I think their theory is the very.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Least, you're not going to have a good base in
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: which to throw it at eighty.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: But the receiver receivers also need the time to get.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: They need time to get down there. Jill said, I'm
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: not giving him time to get down there. And I
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: think Fred's point is really valid. Who can throw the
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: ball with the guy hanging on him sixty five yards
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: like Jayden Daniels did. He didn't have to throw it
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: with a guy hanging on him because they only rushed three.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Now here's what I really don't understand about that play
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: rush Like, to me, either rush nobody and put all
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: eleven guys in the end zone, or play it conventionally.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: What the Bears did is they rushed three guys with
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: a spy. What is the spy doing? Did you see that?
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't notice that they had, Like, you know, Casey
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: takes off and then then what then he can't catch him? Well,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: you got the Miami miracle.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Make make them do it that way if they want,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: don't you know? Like I just didn't really understand the
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: idea of we're only going to rush three and we're
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: going to keep a spy in case Daniels gets out
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: of the pocket like he was, like Evan said, thirteen
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: It was almost thirteen seconds he bought on that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: Play rush five one on one across that would.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Just come after him. I might even send an extra guy.
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: It depends on where you are on the field. Because
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: a couple of years ago, it's probably a lot of
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: years ago now, but Greg Williams famously sent the House
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: in a similar situation and they just had a one
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: on one on the outside, and the guy threw a
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: go ball for a game winning touchdown and it burned.
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: He ran cover zero and it burns.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Oh was it a hill Mary or is it?
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: I can't remember exactly where they were on the field, right,
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: Like that's the difference. Like, if they're in, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: on the other side of the fifty, even if it's
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: just inside the fifty, then most quarterbacks can make that throw.
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: But once you start to get to like, you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: a sixty plus yard bomb, that's when he said, Like, if.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: It's a situation where you can just have him throw
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: it up and he can catch it at like the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: thirty and run the thirty yards, then you can't do it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: But if the guy needs to get the ball to
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: the end zone and you you do what Detroit did.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I just don't see what Sam Donald can possibly do.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know how he can get that pass off.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Speaking of the Lions, are they the best team in
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: the end NFL right now?
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: And they're playing the best So I have a little
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: little observation. I'm curious with you guys, think all three
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: of you you've been watching some of the stuff that
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: the Lions have been doing the last few weeks.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: He's got a little trolling.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Two thousand and seven, Bill Belichi vibe.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: To it, like where Dan Skipper, Yeah, we're having too
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: much fun. Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: Montgomery threw a touchdown pass.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Montgomery threw a touchdown pass. They kicked a fifty one
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: yard field goal to make it fifty two to fourteen. Yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: you know stuff like you know, like almost like Joe
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Gibbs is coaching the other team. You know, we got
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: some kind of forty year old actra grind. It just
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: seems to me that Dan Campbell is out of poops
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: to give and he's look, he's looking to win these
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: games as impressively.
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: I set it off the ineligible receiver thing that they
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: did with Skipper right last year, that that was the
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: whole thing. Like I get that's why they were initially
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: kind of felt wronged by the league. But has there
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: been something else that they like that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but they've started with the Dallas, But.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: I've seen what you're talking about. That's why have a
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: lot of.
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: They have a lot of trick plays in their bag,
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: and they're not afraid to use them. They're very tricky,
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: Like Johnson's just a douche. Yeah, but I.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Wonder if like it's I don't know this, I don't
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: cover the Lions, but I'm just looking at it. I
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: believe that they're trying to do these trick plays in
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: an effort to run the score up.
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the touchdown was definitely I was like, okay, this
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: is a little much.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I mean they had they had the touchdown pass back
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: to Golf I think like two weeks ago, you know now,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: and then you say that, and then at the same time,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: like Jared Goff threw for eighty five yards in that game.
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: That's what I was going to say, Paul. It kind
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: of feels that the Lions are an anti Perillo team.
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: They don't throw well, they just run and they score
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: fifty points.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Well, this game, they just decided to let their punt return.
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: They had like two hundred and sixty something yards of
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: returns in this game.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: They had five drives start inside the Tennessee twenty six
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: card line, right, four turnovers by the Times, two big returns.
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: I obviously am I'm reading my pre you for the Titans.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I think they were three big returns they had. I mean,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: you're not counting the touchdown.
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: The punt return and the kickoff return.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: They had two punt returns of over fifty yards. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: believe they had one hundred and ninety yards of punt returns. Yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: in this same I still.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Think it's an anti Parlo game though, all special teams
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: in credit game.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: But even like when you look at the Titans defense
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: and the Lions offense in that game, it like, wasn't
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: that bad for the Titans defense. They're just getting twenty
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: They literally get the ball at the twelve yard line, Like,
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: what do you want the defense to do?
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: It's like force a field goal? But no, they I'm
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: just kidding.
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: They have our twenty fourth defense.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: And they are number one in defense period. Yeah that's deceiving, right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: well I assume, but like they're ninth and DVA, so
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: they're they're the other team gets the ball on such
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: short fields, right, but yards wise, But that doesn't explain
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: at all. That explains the game Sunday. Yeah, like they
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: get fifty two points and yeah, I mean I'm just
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: looking at it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: Two points.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: It's twenty four carries for one hundred and sixty four yards,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Like that's that's you know, good ground production. But it
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: was one seventy yard run, you know, to go the
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: whole Democras Covington route and Chared Goff is twelve or
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: fifteen for eighty five yards, so you know, no three touchdowns. Statistically,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: did the number one ranked defense in football yards wise,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: yards wise and pass yards, which to me is far
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: more Yeah, wouldn't. I just look at it, and you
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: better be ready to not, you know, to try to
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: take the ball away because I don't think you're going
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: to mount a lot of based on these stats. The
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: number one and you know they turned the ball minus
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: thirteen yeah, turnal ratio.
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah. I mean the advanced metrics really like their defense too.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: They're ninth in DVA. They're top what twelve in EPA
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: right as well, and like their their defenses are really exotic,
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: like they it's hard to identify exactly what they're doing
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: in the back end some of the time. And they
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: have a good defense. It just they've been put in
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: some really tough spots. They're not very good in the
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: red zone. They had they're twenty fourth in the red zone.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: So to Paul's point, they don't they don't force a
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: lot of field goals when they get the ball at
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: the twenty yard line, but a lot of it is
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: not on on the defense.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: It sounds like don't get a lot of takeaways either.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: All right, eight five to five pass five hundred is
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the TPX hotline podcasts at Patriots dot com. Is the
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: email address? Anything else before we open it up?
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: Good for Jacoby?
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, good for Jacoby, yep, really good?
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Let's go to Mike and Vermont. What's up, Mike.
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: How are you guys doing today?
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: We're doing great.
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: My thing is why did the rest call?
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: How much the helmet on May?
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a good non call. Honestly, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: thought May went into a slide light. I don't think
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: there was any way that the defender could have held up,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: So I wasn't like.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, they could have been could have been
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: it could It.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Was definitely helmet to helmet contact, no doubt.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: No doubt.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: I had no problem with the non flag for the
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: reasons you're talking about. It probably was helmet to helmet. Oh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: but it wasn't a late hit on the court, right, No.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: And I would also say that I think it's pretty
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: rare thanks to see helmet to helmet hits with established
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: ball carriers, like you see it on the defenseless receiver,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: and you certainly see it in the pocket with the quarterback.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: But when the quarterback runs, I mean, he had already
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: run seventeen yards for a touchdown. Now he's in the
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: midst of an eighteen yard run. You got to treat
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: him like a runner. I think that's probably you mentioned
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: this Sunday, Freddy, maybe a little lesson well, you know
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: what you can get and get down.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: My thing on pap was very filtered. My little thing
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: that I do on that show was talking about you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying get rid of the slide rule, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I think these teams need to start coaching their quarterbacks
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to be a little bit more aggressive and not rely
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: on the slide rule to protect you.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: And I think they also and I don't know how to.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I have no idea how that this
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: would be incorporated. But these quarterbacks are getting really good
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: at it. You know, that's sort of I'm gonna go
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: out of bounds maybe like Mahomes did a couple of
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: weeks ago, and then you tip down the sideline. You
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: should get blasted. You but it's so hard because aren't
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: you surprised that that wasn't a penalty on Sunday when
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: you saw that live, didn't you think the helmet? Yeah?
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: I was.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not asking you if you thought it should have.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: No, I wasn't surprised.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I was. I was really surprised. And I'll bet you
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: if you know not to go all Patriots Homer here,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I bet you if it was Mahomes, it would have. Yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen wouldn't have got that cooled down, but Mahomes
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: would have.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: The whole slide itself is just so taugh.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: It's so late, and I don't know how the defender
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: is supposed to determine as he's coming full blast that
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: he's going down.
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: The only thing he literally just ran through three guys
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: to break a tackle to get to get to that point.
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: The Drake May and we were talking about a little
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: bit in the in the press box about getting used
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: to a mobile quarterback. Yeah, and I have some tough
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: times determining whether I like it or I don't like
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: It's really like the seventeen yard touchdown.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: It this isn't the day. This isn't the day for it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Because it was a great win. I could have a
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: two hour show about how much I liked the first
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: quarter plus in his development as opposed to the previous
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: two games.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Really, yeah, that's interesting.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: I think everything they did offensively that was positive was
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: him scrambling.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah right, It just there's so much have been
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: that big throat of booty if he hadn't dropped it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Thornton, Yeah, Thornton. But yeah, sorry, right, even that was
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: kind of I mean, that was a great throw, but
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: that was school yard but broke containing he's running around.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Oh but that was the kind of thing that we said, Oh,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: he's going to be able to do.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: That, and I love it, and I love it. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: love the athleticism. Yeah, I don't say that as a negative,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I kind of liked more, you know, the
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: conventional stuff. I thought that the Ville first quarter, like
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: he can move, he moved around, he bought some time
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: and that, but he also like so I thought he
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: was seeing it really well from the pocket. Maybe he
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: did in this game too. I didn't love the first
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: third down throw.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Not everyone could be Vince Ferragama.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I thought he saw great point.
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: I thought he saw the field pretty well. But like
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: you just you don't want to be nitpicky when you
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: when you're watching the film, because there are times where
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: you're like, well, if you'd stayed in the pocket, like
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: he probably could have just made this throw instead of running.
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: But then he runs for a seventeen yard touchdown and
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: you're like, Wells said, yeah, and I.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Totally agree with that. And I get back to the
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Belichick criticism of the Jets pass rush. I thought they
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: gave him those those lanes. I didn't think it was taken.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: He didn't have to be Houdini to get out of
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: the pocket. I think, you know the seas parted.
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was some of the blitzing stuff we were
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: talking about earlier. I think you know they came into
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: this game from a game plan standpoint. It's you can't
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: blitz them, Like it's it's much harder to blitz him
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: than it is to butch Jacoby, right, So it might
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: not have been in their game plan to blitz a lot.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: We talked about that. Yeah, you know, how much different
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: was the game plan because of may as opposed to
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: present Now. I would if I were the Jets, I
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: would have heeded him up and see if he could
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: handle it first, and then backed off. Yeah, but they
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: chose to do it the other way.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Jacob and Illinois writes in it continues to boggle my
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: mind how winning a game can cause so much division
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: in this league. The amount of comments I've seen on
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: social media saying the season is lost and everyone needs
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: to be fired into the sun because May got hurt
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: is rage inducing.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Who said that?
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know, is this a straw man email?
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Didn't hit? I got an a SPFW from one person
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: who I'm not even sure he was entitly serious, but
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I have not really heard that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Now, this isn't a huge set back if TUA is
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: any metric to measure by, and we should be rejoicing
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: that we rained on the New England New Jersey Packers parade.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Whether it's Brisset or May wins the good so let's
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: be happy about them. Should be as hard as shop
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: at Bob's Discount Furniture.
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: U p s.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Any of you watch games and lament your picks and
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: spread standings as they.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: Yes, definitely this week, Definitely this week.
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: I'm going to be honest, I kind of forget I
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: was going to say.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Who I picked.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: I write it down, and then.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I remember the like there's always a game or
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: two that I picked differently than everybody else, and I
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: remember that particularly game, But in general terms, I don't
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: remember who I picked, and I have noticed a lot,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: especially lately, I picked different on Thursday, and then sometimes
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: that those games are in the six pack, Like I
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: picked the Eagles in the six pack and I picked
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: the Bengals on Thursday. Now, I didn't know that t
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Higgins wasn't going to play, and that impacted my my
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Sunday pick.
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: But I also just wonder with the back to the emailer,
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: sorry for a second, but football, like, what what are
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: they tanking for this year?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody anybody who were they taking. That's
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: what I said.
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: So last year. If you embrace the tank for the quarterback,
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: then I totally understand. But they picked the quarterback and
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: we all think that he looks pretty good and it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: trending in the right direction.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: That gives you freedom, So they don't need.
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: Another quarterback, So we're tanking for for Travis Hunter.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard it. Maybe I'm just not listening to
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: the right people. I haven't heard people be upset with winning.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard people say lose as many.
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: Games on your show for the draft pick, that's Felger. No,
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: the callers, but they really you've fallen for it. You're
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: falling for it. He's inventing it. No, they're not calling
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: in saying that on any consistent basis. He picks the
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: one guy that just did that, and he says, that's consensus. Okay,
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: I heard it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I heard him.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Oh we should have lost the draft.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Because he's the one, Fred, he's the one. Trust me.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: You don't want to be a zero, one or two
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: win team. Trust me on this? Well, I agree with him,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: No you do. Yeah, Wow, that's really controversial. Take what
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. You don't think it's a good thing to
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: be two and fifteen.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Saying that there were callers that disagree.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: We'll tell yeah, and I'm going to tell you out
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: of their percentage of callers, there's like two. Okay, but
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: he makes it out to be all right. The other
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: wicks them, Oh we picked not only he picks them.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: He accentuates, oh listen, and he creates that as consensus.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: That sounds like the great OZ.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Because I don't know about you, Mike, but I think
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: it's really good if we only win one or two games.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: That means we're a really good team. That's what all
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: the great teams do. Let's win two games. Trust me
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: on this mic. You don't want to be there. We
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: don't want to do that six or seven.
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: They wanted to lose sixteen games in a row. That's
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: why that's what everybody did.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Like Felger is the voice of reason, like he's the
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: one that had to teach us how it's better to
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: go fifteen and two than two and fifteen. It's you people,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: because you people want you people want to lose.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Uping Fresno writes in uh subject line, thank you Jacoby Brissett.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: There we go, go Fred.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: If we're supposed to issue Matt Patricia a big thank you,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I'd say it's high time we did the same for
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett. Sure, Rogers's post menopausal, but Perset manufactured a
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: win that might destroy the entire Jets organization, and did
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: so despite having the lumbering gait of Tom Barringer at
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: the end of Major League the movie broad a point
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: though the wins should be credited more to what Brissett
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: did on the field than to what Mayo previously said
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: on the podium.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I'm with Mike.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe the team isn't baby bottom soft, but there's still
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: several viagras short of rock hard. They didn't really stop
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: the run we're doing here. Yeah, they really didn't stop
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: the run. The Jets didn't run as much as they
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: should have, so they ended up with less total rushing
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: yards and high yards per carry.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, can we put that?
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I wasn't trying to take anything
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: away from the team's response and how they played. I
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: just didn't connect it directly to I think these comments
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: got blown up outside and everyone saw it as well,
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: they need to respond to this. I'm not sure that
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: they ever really felt like I listened.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: To what key On White said. He wasn't going out
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: there feeling like in his mind thinking about what may A.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Couple of different team meetings about it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: That was about it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: They offered that to us.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: Team meetings, though.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Was that about losing six in a row or was
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: that specific?
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: I think it was in the wagons. I think I
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: think it was the latter.
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: I think in some of it was about, you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: some of the rumors that were going on with the
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: receiver room and like stuff like just it was more
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: it was more about like buttoning things down than I
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: think it was directly about Gid's comments.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I think it was all part of it. I totally
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: agree with you with the receivers. I think they wanted
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: to tighten things up a little bit. But the fact
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: that they felt important enough to have a meeting, and
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: I think Juwan Bentley addressed the team.
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: Jonathan Jones, Jonathan Jones, veteran guys.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Like that to me, tells me it wasn't just the media.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: First of all, the media had nothing to do with it,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: said it not the media.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: The wide receiver room was a mess, and it still
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: might be, but it needed it needed something. And and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: right there's still not playing well.
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: Let the four drops in this game, and and some
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: bad ones like two on third down and then obviously
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: Taekwan's drop, and.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: So do you you guys, Mike, I'm sorry you're going
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: to drop, but you only you only grinded the defense
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: a couple of crossers, booty and borne business decisions.
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: I always hate going there, but because I alligator arms,
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: like you know, like like why where they protected themselves
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: because they were going to get hit?
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Those are tough, Yeah, should have been. Yeah, it's but
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: it's easy for us to say, just catch the ball.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: You're gonna get hit anyway.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: The board one was terrifying, the other one scary.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm asking you guys a chance to watch
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: it again.
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: The second booty one from Brissett just was he didn't
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: l in the zone like that was more of like
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: a route running issue than it was like there was
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: a guy coming and he was going to take a hit.
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: But the two incuts that they threw the booty and Bourne, uh,
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: there is a guy flashing, and I do think that
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: they might have sensed that. I hate the business decision label.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: But but you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: yeah yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Aaron's in Connecticut on the tpx houtline. What's up Aaron?
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Oh is gone?
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Then let's go to Baltimore where Rashad's on the line.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: What's up for shot?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Well? I mean, first, let me just say I like
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: the Jets. They they I mean, it's like we always
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: in the season, So I guess I should have known
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: that we would somehow.
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: Someway win that game.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: But I'm calling because of the pretty much like the talent,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: but like the wide receiver was like I feel like
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: we about to go through what we went through, like
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: the last full year, the goal where we're going to
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: have to try to believe in these wide receivers to develop,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: and I don't think none of them won't really develop
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: to you know, anything special. So you know, it just sucks.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: It's like I had high hope for a lot of receivers,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: but I think at best, you know, they still it
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: might be a two or three, but you know snow ones,
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: you know the defense. You know, they try their best,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: but like we just not, they just don't have the talent,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Like they just don't have the talent the speed. Like
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm glad they won, but like I'm not,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not and I'm not in the boat of tanking.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: I don't want them to tank, like I don't. I
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: don't want to see them lose, Like I don't want
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: to see them lose every game, Like I want to
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: see them compete and win. Like I'm I'm a realist
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: saying like like they're not good like they you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Like I love Drake May. I definitely think he's the truth.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: He's the one we might got this one, but like
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: we got it around him with Pama, Like we.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Got We've got a lot of work to do in
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the offseason. Yeah, thanks for show. I appreciate the call.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: A lot to be excited about that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not like to like the receivers are what
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: they are for this season, right, but if you have
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: a quarterback.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Right now, you had to make a decision, these are
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: the guys we're going to keep from the receiver room.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Who would it be?
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: Pop Douglas?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I would put him on my list.
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: End of list, Like did I absolutely need to keep?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you read like the X this week,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: like you know, Booty is now he's earned, he's earned
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: what you know, a lot more reps and he has
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: one he's on the he's on the rise.
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: He has one really good vertical route of game. There's
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: the deep ball in Jacksonville, the deep ball in Houston,
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: the deep ball this week. He has one really good
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: rout of game that doesn't make him. Starting receivers on
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: other teams have six or seven of those routes a game,
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: not just one. Yeah, you know, so like you're he's
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: he's been fine. And I'm not trying to rag on
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: the guy, but I think Douglas is the only guy
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: that consistently separates every week.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: That was a question I got in the many one
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: holding out hope for Pope that he can turn it around.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so sure?
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I don't I mean, I don't have
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: the question just because all these guys are gonna be
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: back next year and they're gonna get a chance to compete.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that they have to be the starters.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: They can get bumped down. But I don't is anybody
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: realistically saying we're gonna cut Kendrick Horn, We're gonna cut kaishambui.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Like, well, I think once camp comes around and if
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: you do bring another.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: People, it'll let me know what happens in the off seats.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Right right, But but not before that, right, No?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: No, no, well no, you're not gonna just before now.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Before like those are the guys you have now? Yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: but if you if you, if you draft, let's say
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: you drafted. I mean, I know that people don't want
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: to hear this, and I probably don't want to hear
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: it either. But let's say you draft someone in the
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: top five, So you draft Travis Hunter and then maybe
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: you sign you know, a big time free agent t
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Higgins or someone someone else. Those four or five guys
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: that you're talking about aren't all going to be.
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: Here, right Douglas, And I put Polk in that mixed
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: to him, I still have hope for him. What about Baker,
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: I don't have any hope for him.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: No, wow, really no hope. I haven't I heard that
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: he's turn things around with dope. Not no hope.
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: I just it's dwindling. It's dwindling, Okay. I worry about
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: some of the things that cause him to drop to
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: the fourth round.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: Put it that way, repeater, and those things have kind
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: of carried over into the season.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: And I would say, also going back to the game,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I think Hunter Henry's maybe having the best season he's
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: had since he was a Patriot.
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: He's outstanding in this game.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: I thought he was really good Sunday. But I mean
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: it's hard to top.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I mean the numbers Foe are huge, but every catch
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: was clutch.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: I thought he was offensive really good.
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: I mean just drive starter on the game winning drive,
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: which was tough catch he blocked well. I mean the
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: goal line played at the end of the game, he
• 49:37
  Speaker 9: saves the game, you know, the right side of the line.
• 49:40
  Speaker 9: They both lose their blocks. The nineteen million dollar guard
• 49:43
  Speaker 9: again loses the block and Michael Jordan and Hunter Henry.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: They did they did, They whiffed the practice. Jacobson on
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: when you whift.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, no.
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: I I kind of wanted to bring it up earlier,
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: but we were in a positive phase of say, if
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: they had lost the game, it would have been like
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: how often piece people.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Don't want to hear it. It's rare that they go
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: every scoring play is subject to review, it's rare that
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: they actually go to replay to review it. So it
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: was close enough that the guys upstairs said, you guys
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: might want to take a look at this. And the
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: reason it was close is what Evan said. The two
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: guys whiffed. Yeah, they both end up sort of on
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: their stomachs and didn't hit anybody.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, point of attack all right, Time to take a break.
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  Speaker 13: Only look excited to get back in the win column.
• 52:07
  Speaker 13: Excited to get a win here at home. You know,
• 52:09
  Speaker 13: I was a good football team you played against yesterday
• 52:11
  Speaker 13: and presented a bunch of problems. As I said on Friday,
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: you know, anytime you see Aaron Rodgers on the other
• 52:17
  Speaker 13: side of the balls, you got to put four quarters
• 52:20
  Speaker 13: in more if need. Be very proud of just the
• 52:23
  Speaker 13: way the guys responded and saying that, you know, you
• 52:26
  Speaker 13: watch the film and there were definitely still plays that
• 52:28
  Speaker 13: we left out there at this time. Look, Drake is
• 52:31
  Speaker 13: in the NFL concussion protocol, so I'm not going to
• 52:34
  Speaker 13: get too much into that. As far as straight questions,
• 52:37
  Speaker 13: what I told the guys in the locker room last
• 52:39
  Speaker 13: night was, you know that next man up mentality.
• 52:42
  Speaker 14: It doesn't matter what position you play.
• 52:44
  Speaker 13: You could be a defensive linment, offensive linement, whatever, or
• 52:48
  Speaker 13: a quarterback, which we saw yesterday. And kudos to jakobefore
• 52:52
  Speaker 13: being ready to go when we needed them. I would
• 52:55
  Speaker 13: say there was, you know, a couple of examples as
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: far as complimentary football. You know we had to thrown
• 53:00
  Speaker 13: out then a good punt return that led to a touchdown.
• 53:03
  Speaker 13: That's that's the complimentary football we need to play if
• 53:06
  Speaker 13: we want to be successful going forward.
• 53:08
  Speaker 14: And that's my message to the team and for.
• 53:12
  Speaker 15: Questions, will suffer. Doug Kaite, followed by Mark Daniels. Good morning, Drudd.
• 53:18
  Speaker 16: We saw Joshua ushe was in active in yesterday's game
• 53:23
  Speaker 16: despite not being on the injury re board. Was that
• 53:27
  Speaker 16: related to the NFL trade deadline? Related to something else?
• 53:29
  Speaker 16: What led to that decision?
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: It was just a healthy scratch and we also to put,
• 53:34
  Speaker 13: you know, the best team out there that we think
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: gives us the best chance to win.
• 53:38
  Speaker 15: Thank you, Next question, Mark Daniels follow like Chris Ryan.
• 53:42
  Speaker 14: Ed Rave, Good morning.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Last last yesterday, it seemed like there were more drops
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: than usual from the receiver group and a lot of
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the players admitted that after the game.
• 53:51
  Speaker 15: Just was that a focused thing?
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: You know, what what did you see from that group
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: and what do they need to do here to respond
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: and sort of get over that?
• 53:58
  Speaker 14: They need to get better?
• 53:59
  Speaker 13: And I mean those guys went out there and they
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: were open at times, and you know, when you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 13: the job of a receiver is to get open and
• 54:06
  Speaker 13: catch the ball. And if you're really good a run
• 54:08
  Speaker 13: with it afterwards, so they definitely have to get better
• 54:11
  Speaker 13: and they understand that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 14: Thank you, Thanks Chris Ryan.
• 54:16
  Speaker 15: Follow it to Courde Randall war are mon chrazy.
• 54:21
  Speaker 17: I want to ask you about the touchdown drive and
• 54:23
  Speaker 17: you know the execution that you awe on that obviously
• 54:26
  Speaker 17: you know we'll play seventy yards brings it down to
• 54:31
  Speaker 17: twenty two seconds left overall on the drive. What what
• 54:34
  Speaker 17: stood out to you and watching the film.
• 54:38
  Speaker 14: Just the overall operation.
• 54:39
  Speaker 13: You know, I joked about, you know on that drive
• 54:41
  Speaker 13: before that drive started. Usually I don't give a VP
• 54:44
  Speaker 13: any timeouts or anything like that going into a game
• 54:49
  Speaker 13: win drive.
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: And I thought those guys went out there and next
• 54:50
  Speaker 14: secute it well.
• 54:52
  Speaker 15: Thanks Thanks court Randell, Felt Bry Mike Reese.
• 54:57
  Speaker 14: Good roun.
• 54:58
  Speaker 18: It looked like it looked like Drake he might have
• 55:01
  Speaker 18: been slow to get up after the hit and was
• 55:03
  Speaker 18: moving slowly between plays. Just wanting did you see any
• 55:05
  Speaker 18: warning signs from him after the hit? And you know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 18: what was the conversation like with him before he went
• 55:10
  Speaker 18: into the medical tent.
• 55:12
  Speaker 13: I did not, you know, I was surprised when when
• 55:16
  Speaker 13: Whalan told me he had to go to the medical
• 55:17
  Speaker 13: tent because he threw a couple of good balls afterwards,
• 55:20
  Speaker 13: and I thought he was still pretty sharp in those regards.
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: But you know, I so it's above my pay grade
• 55:26
  Speaker 13: as far as like pulling them out of the game
• 55:27
  Speaker 13: and putting them in the protocol.
• 55:32
  Speaker 15: Expression. Mike Breese follower tiv Kyles.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Morn and draw.
• 55:36
  Speaker 19: Can you can you just repeat what you mentioned about
• 55:39
  Speaker 19: the before the final drive with a VP, that you
• 55:42
  Speaker 19: usually don't give them timeouts or I didn't quite follow
• 55:45
  Speaker 19: you there.
• 55:45
  Speaker 14: What did you I was saying?
• 55:47
  Speaker 13: In practice, sorry, in practice, we go through that situation,
• 55:51
  Speaker 13: you know, multiple times a week, and usually I say,
• 55:54
  Speaker 13: all right, it's a minute with no timeouts, and we
• 55:57
  Speaker 13: operate that way, so we do get time outs.
• 55:59
  Speaker 14: It's a it's a it's a it's a bonus for him, gotcha. Gotcha.
• 56:03
  Speaker 19: Thanks for clarifying that. And and the touchdown run to
• 56:07
  Speaker 19: win the game when you went back to watch it,
• 56:10
  Speaker 19: I'm curious what you saw.
• 56:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's the same thing I said last night, where
• 56:15
  Speaker 13: you know, there comes a point in time where everyone
• 56:17
  Speaker 13: knows you're going to run the ball and you got
• 56:18
  Speaker 13: to beat the man across from you. And I've never
• 56:21
  Speaker 13: wavered and saying that reminder is one of the best
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: backs in the league, and why not give it to him.
• 56:24
  Speaker 13: We should give it to him in that situation, and
• 56:28
  Speaker 13: the offense capitalized.
• 56:29
  Speaker 15: And then one quick fault. Just theme wise on the
• 56:32
  Speaker 15: same topic.
• 56:33
  Speaker 19: You had seven offensive linemen on the field on that
• 56:37
  Speaker 19: play with Thomas and City coming City as the fullback right.
• 56:44
  Speaker 19: We also saw Lasidas actually in the first play of
• 56:47
  Speaker 19: the game, you know, but he come in and a
• 56:50
  Speaker 19: like offset there in the backfield. What was the thought
• 56:53
  Speaker 19: process obviously in the last play or just power right
• 56:56
  Speaker 19: with the but what was the thought process on using
• 56:59
  Speaker 19: some of the offensive linement like that.
• 57:01
  Speaker 14: No, I think you bring up a great point.
• 57:02
  Speaker 13: You know, what was perceived I would say earlier on
• 57:06
  Speaker 13: as a weakness on this team has now become a strength.
• 57:08
  Speaker 13: And that has been through you know, Elliott, his team
• 57:10
  Speaker 13: and the acquisition of guys like Lasidas.
• 57:12
  Speaker 14: And this is one of those guys that practice is hard.
• 57:16
  Speaker 13: He's a great professional off the field as well, and
• 57:19
  Speaker 13: you know, we felt good putting those guys in to
• 57:21
  Speaker 13: move the to move the offense. Sorry the movie defensive linemen,
• 57:23
  Speaker 13: and they did that.
• 57:27
  Speaker 15: Taylor Kyle's follower, Sophie Walder coach, thank you for your
• 57:31
  Speaker 15: time with Marcus Jones.
• 57:33
  Speaker 18: It seemed like he played outside more than we've seen
• 57:35
  Speaker 18: in a while matching up with Garrett Wilson.
• 57:37
  Speaker 14: I was wondering what was.
• 57:38
  Speaker 18: The thought process about that matchup and also how did
• 57:40
  Speaker 18: you feel that win because obviously gave up some catches
• 57:42
  Speaker 18: but also made some plays in the.
• 57:43
  Speaker 14: Matchup as well. That's a great question, Taylor.
• 57:45
  Speaker 13: I would say, there's no secret they liked that matchup
• 57:50
  Speaker 13: against twenty five and they went after him quite a bit,
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: and just like you said, he made some plays and
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: gave up some players, But at the same time, I
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: would say, just that dog mentality of being able to
• 58:01
  Speaker 13: get up and go again the next rep.
• 58:03
  Speaker 14: I thought he. I thought Marcus definitely displayed that. Yes, sir,
• 58:06
  Speaker 14: Thank you.
• 58:08
  Speaker 15: Have two final questions. Sophie Waller and Chris.
• 58:11
  Speaker 20: Ryan Hid congrats on the win.
• 58:16
  Speaker 14: Thanks.
• 58:16
  Speaker 20: So I was curious we kind of saw Javon Baker
• 58:20
  Speaker 20: back returning was a kick returns, which was kind of
• 58:24
  Speaker 20: a new role for him him. What did you see
• 58:26
  Speaker 20: from him there and how do you feel he's progressing
• 58:30
  Speaker 20: to maybe get some opportunities as well with that wide
• 58:33
  Speaker 20: receiver group in the game.
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, one opportunity to run back a kick. Obviously
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: it was it was disappointing, but it wasn't just him.
• 58:40
  Speaker 13: It was also just the block and up front, this
• 58:42
  Speaker 13: guy is very explosive with the ball in his hands,
• 58:44
  Speaker 13: and we have to as coaches, you know, when the
• 58:47
  Speaker 13: solution based business find ways to get him the wall.
• 58:52
  Speaker 15: And last question, Chris roy.
• 58:55
  Speaker 17: Kid, I want to ask you about a couple of
• 58:56
  Speaker 17: guys and how they've responded to to adversity this year
• 59:00
  Speaker 17: and Ormandre obviously the game winning run, and also Yo
• 59:03
  Speaker 17: Jacobe Rissette and how he's handled things. What have you
• 59:07
  Speaker 17: seen from both of those individuals behind the scenes and
• 59:10
  Speaker 17: how do they kind of set the tone when it
• 59:12
  Speaker 17: comes to, you know, what type of sacrifices need to
• 59:15
  Speaker 17: be made.
• 59:16
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I'll started with Mandre.
• 59:19
  Speaker 13: Look, you know, obviously early in the season he had
• 59:22
  Speaker 13: a hard time keeping the ball right, so as far
• 59:24
  Speaker 13: as fumbles and things like that are concerned, and you know,
• 59:27
  Speaker 13: he had been going through some things, you know, also
• 59:29
  Speaker 13: off the field, and I just I tipped my hat
• 59:31
  Speaker 13: to a guy like that who's able to once he
• 59:33
  Speaker 13: crosses the white line, nothing else really matters. And so
• 59:36
  Speaker 13: proud of him and what he's what he's been able
• 59:38
  Speaker 13: to do. And Jacoby is just you know, we said
• 59:41
  Speaker 13: this the ultimate professional, also a tough guy that is
• 59:44
  Speaker 13: able to go out there and operate the offense, and
• 59:46
  Speaker 13: we're bust to have him.
• 59:48
  Speaker 14: Thank you, Thanks.
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: Everyone, and now great moments.
• 59:57
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• 59:58
  Speaker 4: Sometimes like that was a regular argument that was fine, yeah,
• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:02
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  Speaker 4: Actually I'm surprised. I can't believe I'm losing to this guy.
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  Speaker 3: tells you you have to upgrade your laptop. So I
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  Speaker 3: did that, and I had to rebuild like every password
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: that I have, and like everything everything happen.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: You're telling me, I'm gonna wait for them.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: My life is on that you know laptop and every
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: password to every site that runs my life. I had to,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: you know, put in So where did I put that password? So?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, the best thing to do is
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: you get you get out like a packet of like
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: post it notes. Yeah, write them all on sticky notes.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: That's how you do it, and then just put them
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: up all over all over your work area.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I hope not listening.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: That's the safe That's the safest way to go. But
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: he did, You'll never forget them.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: Do an online seminar for that.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: I have my notes app on my phone.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: I have some like that.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: I like when I get attachments from people I don't know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: I like to see what they are.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: I generally try to open up, like what is it?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 9: I just curious attachments.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: How do you remember the passwords to your passwords? Yeah,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: it's only one.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: That's another word for the social recognition wicked smart. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: the facial wreck. Is that that's that's a good, good advancement.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nice tech, yeah, Norman writes. In Norman, he says,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: I was disappointed when Bill was relieved of his duties
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: with the Patriots. But the more I hear him on
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: all the shows that he appears on, the more respect
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: I lose. I know everyone has their own opinion, but
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: to go on what seems like a bash the people
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: have wronged me tour, I think it's kind of hypocritical
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: for a guy that despised the media as much as
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: he did to go around praising only people he likes.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: My opinion, he's losing credibility there you go.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 8: I haven't I don't feel like I've watched enough of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: it to really say that. I mean, I've seen the highlights,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: but the highlights that are always put in my face.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: Are what he says about the Patriots.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I admit that That's part of it, is that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: what's going to get picked up is the negative stuff
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: or this stuff for Patriots related or what.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: I don't really care.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: I think we're all I'm smack dab in the middle
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: of fifty on that female like. I think He's right.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: I think he's hypocritical. He is oh as anti media
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: as he was throughout his coaching career for him to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: have so many media jobs now at the same time,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: like you know, the whole on this crusade against you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: people that wronged him. I mean, I can't understand how
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: he feels. Yeah, and he wasn't wronged because he was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: like go, it's kind of what's happened since. And you know,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: I can understand how he feels now. I think he's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: always been hypocritical in terms of, you know, it's okay
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: for him to say and do things or change his
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: agenda as he goes. But you know, the media was
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: always getting called out for that, you know. So I'm
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: kind of half and half line. I see the stuff
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: that I've been very critical of, some of the stuff
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: that Bill has said. You know, didn't have anything good
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: to say about how buttoned down the Patriots looked in
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: Week one, you know, and you know, they avoided penalties,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: they avoided turnovers, they won the game exactly the way
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick always wanted to win games, right, and he
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: didn't say word one about it, and then all of
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: a sudden they start doing a couple of things strategically
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: that you know, Drew second guesses and he was right
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: there to pile on.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: So I get both sides are a little butt hurt.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: They're very oversensitive, but you know, you know, Patriots fans,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: he's not coming He's not coming back, so get over it.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: I just wonder, like, you know, Paul, we do our shows.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: We have the The Patriots on Filter on TV, which
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: I hope everyone watches. But then we do these shows,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: and we do the pregame in the post game show
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: and sometimes you said earlier, you make different picks when
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: we do picks, and I do the same. But it
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: must be hard for Bill to keep track of everything
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: he says and what you know, and and keep track
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: of all the people that he maybe wants to highlight
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: or people that he doesn't want to highlight.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: A right, Well, he's got like six different shows, like
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: how do you.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: Remember, like, well, I can't go too hard on the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: Patriots here because I killed him in this show, or
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: you know, because it does he even think about it
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: that way, or you know, like I can't imagine.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Having question all show keeps a question everything.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: You know, he's especially being on with you know, favorable
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: people Matty p and A.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: I tease Mike Lombardi a lot too, but I think
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: he sort of he comes in like wreaking of kerosene.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: He wants to he wants to light the fire. He want,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: he knows where they want to go, and I think
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: and it's not good for.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: Him, and they've had co Like you know, I'm sure
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Lombardi talks to Bill and it's like.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: You can't believe what they said about you.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna straighten that out, you know.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: Stuff that like that type of stuff. I tried not
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 9: to let bother me, but the thing bothered me because
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: it was like, you literally had the opportunity to trade
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 9: this player last year, and he didn't take the opportunity,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: and now you're killing them because his value is is
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 9: been hurt and so now they got less of a return.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: But I would also say too, like you know, to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: your point of these trade deadline deals almost never end
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: up going down for what people think they're gonna go
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: down for, except for him who gave up a second
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: round hit for Mohammed Sanu, Right, you know, like DeAndre
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Hopkins got a fifth right, you know, like you're telling me,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins even now wasn't more valuable than Mohammed Sanu
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: was when they acquired him. Right, So just because you
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: don't read the market properly doesn't mean that that was
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: a terrible trade for a sixth round pick.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: Yep, Yeah, I just his J's value was at its
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: highest point last year. He's coming off the twenty twenty
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: two season, and he had some value at that point.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: And if you wanted to sell high on the asset,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: it was to trade him at the deadline last year
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: or even before the season last year, if you knew
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: you weren't going to resign him and instead I don't
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: know where his head was at on that one. You know,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: only he can answer that.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: But like you said, it could have been I want
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: to win as many games as possible, yeah, or maybe
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: given up already. I don't want to hurt the defense.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right, Because.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: It sounded like you could have couldn't have cared less
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: about the offense. Yeah, you know the way last year
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: looked like it too, Johnny and Matdtown writes in at
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: podcast at Patriots dot Com. Halloween yay or nay? Game?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: You ready?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Real simple? Do you like it? Or not one the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: original movie from nineteen seventy eight, Halloween. Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 9: I don't like scary movies.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of okay, kind of like Evan.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Candy corn noay, nay. Absolutely, haunted houses, corn mazes, Nope, nay.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: I like corn maze house is yay. No, they creep
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: me out, man, those haunted houses. Don't get in my space.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: I don't like. Yeah, decorate your house yeay, yay. Yeah,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: you decorate your house for Halloween.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: But do you think I do it?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: No, But I like the fact that it's done.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, you like it? I have people like you like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: having your house decorated?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: I do, Okay. Christmas, oh absolutely, okay. I'm a little
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: bit more involved with the Christmas setup.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: But in terms of the drum roll, in terms of
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: what you like better Christmas or Halloween.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, Christmas, Christmas, love Christmas.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: That doesn't apply to me, right.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: I hope it was okay? As long as there's no
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: risk of long term issues. This is likely just a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: mild bump in the road in a season that's only
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: about development. Anyway, misses this week and hopefully back for
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: the next game. Patriots win again this Sunday twenty one,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: seventeen with a pick six mixed in.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: That'd be nice.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: I haven't had one of those.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: My lovely wife dropped her iPhone in a corn Mas
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: once and it was just ridiculous trying to find it,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: like because we didn't have before track my iPhone. It
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: was it's like walking through a corn Mas calling the phone,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 8: like trying to listen. You can't even find your way
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: out of the thing, much less find a phone.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: We never did find the phone.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: But speaking a Belichick, oh yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: Doing the round.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gotta let's see more emails. Jack writes in about
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: the Tigers that we are the Tigers. The Lions that
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier. Lions have not forgotten how they've been
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: jobbed twice against the Cowboys. First in the nineties in
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: a playoff game when a late, outrageously bad PI call
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: rob them of a victory, and then last season when
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: the officials took a tackle eligible conversion off the board,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: again robbing the lines of a victory.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Now, the first one was not in the nineties. That
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: was much more recent. That was Matthew Stafford.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Now the Lions are pissed off. They don't want just
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: to beat you. They want to humiliate you, and they
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: have the talent to do it. The Lions are playing angry.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the question is it a good thing?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: I think we'll see. Can you run on hate that?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: Well? No, Like, if it's those things worth the energy
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: that it takes to think about, I think you could
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty hindsight make a good case that the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: two thousand and seven Patriots were close to out of
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: gas at the end of the at the end of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: the road, and Mike, they had a little bit more
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: left in the tank had they not been so sort
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: of preoccupied with the fu tour from Spygate and you know,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: running up the score as often as they did.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: A good point.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: I really like the twist uniforms right now though, the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: new blue they've got. I like that that.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: We also haven't talked about Aaron Rodgers and just what's
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: going on with him, because I gotta say that he's
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 9: like not washed, but it's he's not Rogers.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: He's just close to a watch. Yeah, it's not I
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: thought you.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: Were going to go into the hygiene area.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: I mean probably not that.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, all of the areas, but it looks to me like,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: you know, he he's always broken the rules of quarterback mechanics,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 9: and he's always thrown off, you know, both feet off
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: the ground and moving around and just flicking his wrist
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 9: and getting the ball out, and like, I don't think
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: he's got the physical ability to do it anymore.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people you know, are suspecting this. Achilles did not
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: heal the right way.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: I think Paul said in the postgame show, and I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: when I grinded the film ground the film, I know,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: he don't look like you want to get hit anymore.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure that to me, Sure he didn't. He's always
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Evans right, He's always sort of played by his own rules.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: But now it looks like he's afraid to get hit.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: And as soon as I thought, there were plenty of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: times in that game where he just like left the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: pocket before you need to, there was no pressure. Yeah yeah,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: and then he would like sort of slide right a
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: little bit, and all of a sudden he had to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: throw it away because he moved into a guy. And
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: I also don't think he saw the field very well.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: Was even a couple of completions we were watching and
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: we were like oh wow, uh oh oh. And then
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: sometimes he made the you know, made the completion. Sometimes
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: he was too late.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: Could have just kept throwing the gear.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: I just wonder if.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: Like well Adams was like the first half of the game,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: someone one of the New York guys had like a
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: thing he put up and it's like, he's gonna look
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: at this tape. Adams is going to see how many
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: times that either he was open or he was schemed
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: open in the first half and Rogers never threw it
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: to him.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there was a couple of times. One gone they
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 9: ran like a pick play for him and Gonzo got
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: got picked off. Another one was like a little slant
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: that Adams shook him pretty good at the line of scrimmage.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: But I thought Gonzalez was pretty good in this game
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: against Adams.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: PFF certainly thought so, right, he made my good list. Yeah,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: he didn't have huge numbers for Gonzales.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: Well, he was targeted five times, only gave up one catch,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 9: so that that's always gonna gonna be good in their grading.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 9: And the one catch was that at the end of
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: the game was the last play of the game. It
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: was the sixteen yarder to Adams that ended the game,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: so it was a meaningless catch. So he covered him
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: twenty three times and gave up one catch for sixteen
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: yards on a meetingless throw.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: So he looked so good to me.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: He's just so athletic, and I think, you know, maybe
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: you want him to be more physical at times, but
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: I think he's physical enough.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: But he just he can run. He can run with anybody.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and my problem with the PFF stuff is totally
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: results based, Like the one catch on five, you know, like,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: so it doesn't count, The passing appearance doesn't count, the
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: play that probably should have been called for passing affairs
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: gets downgrade, you know it?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 10: You know?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that he was better in this game.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: I told you know, I had him on my good
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: list this week. I thought Marcus Jones struggled. Now I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: give him points for competing before anybody yells at me,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: but I thought he struggled. And I thought Gonzales was
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: better than he had been in the previous couple of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: weeks in this game. So I'm not telling you that
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: I think PFF is wrong. Yeah, I think they're right.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: I think he was good. What about the decision I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: don't like the whole percentage thing.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: What about the decision to put Marcus Jones on Willson
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: and rather than the other way around and have Gonzo
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: on Willie.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: That's the follow up question, Fred, because Giord said they
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: liked that matchup, and so I put my pall hat
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: on with, well did you try to get out of that?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: Like what you know, why why did they liked it?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: You let them keep going to it. I mean it
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: was so obvious off the line.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 9: They tried to double him a few times as the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 9: game war on, and I thought, you know, the biggest
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: reason to me would be that Adams is like the bigger,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: more physical receiver. So Gonzo has the size that Marcus
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: Jones doesn't have it.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Wilson's six ' three, isn't he No, he's.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: Like six to one, but he's also not That's not
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 9: how he plays. Yeah, So I think that that was
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: probably why they liked that matchup better. But I thought
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 9: they had some really cool coverages on third down in
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: this game where they were matching in man and stuff
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: like that, and like kind of passing off crossers and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 9: things of that nature that ended up starting to work
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: as the game war on. I had a really good
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: rep on Ellis's sack that was a really good coverage
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: rep where they doubled both guys and had them both
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: bracketed on the play and Gonzo was actually on Mike
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: williams uh on an island, so they put Gonzo on him.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: Said you got to take him by yourself.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: Single the three, yeah, double the one on the.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: Two exactly yeah, And it worked perfectly. So I thought,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: I said a VP got had some good calls earlier.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: I thought Covington had some moments in this game that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 9: were better to two.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: Point conversion two, which I don't know if you know what.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: The Jets felt like they had a better chance from
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: the seven, well that one too.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: I kind of watched it.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Do you know he said that right?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: Rogers did?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did not really, Oh my god, Oh geez.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: It's just so much of what their offense. So much
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 9: of their issues are him, Like, it's not even just
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: about physical, it's about all the other crafts.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: I think I think percent of their.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: Issues being a petulant child.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: I underestimated how much of a dB he is and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: that that's me And I've been calling.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 9: Out of the huddle get the.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: Like know what the mess? It's so casual everything, you know, And.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: This is one of those years ago.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: But this is one of those things like you know,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: just because you're ranting and raving like a lunatic doesn't
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: mean you're always wrong, like the Fred Toucher thing on
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: on one of my shows. He's a Jets fan, right.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: He insists the whole torn Achilles was Rogers's fault, like
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: you're you're under attack, Like it's not. You don't have
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: to be super cool. You can just get sacked or
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: just throw the ball away. You don't have to look
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: super cool doing everything that you do because you're Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: He thinks that he put himself in harmony and he's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: probably not wrong, Like it's this casual, like what me
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: worry kind of approached that he has to everything. That
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: leads to four different times they had to either burn
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: a time out or got called for delay a game. Yep,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: like that's on the quarterback.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he was like, oh, they were late to get
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: the play calls, and I don't know he's been doing
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: that everyone else scrimmage and then you also so much
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: of their play calling is clearly him, Like the Patriots
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 9: run defense could not stop Breeze Hall, Like, I know
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: we they were better and we're trying to you know,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 9: the soft stuff and all that, but they really couldn't
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 9: stop Breeze hauled out that much. But Rogers has to cook,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 9: like Rodgers has to have his moments in the game,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: and he's gotta he's got to.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Throw the spine fifty. But the amount of guys that
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: he was missing in that game.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they should have ran the ball forty times in
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: that game, and they did it because of him.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Jake writes in Love to Win, Hope may Uh is alright.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: He looked fantastic until the injury. Curious if you guys
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: think Booty's comments the last few weeks about being mad
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: about not getting the ball due to not dropping any
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: that came to him was a not so subtle shot
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: at Polk, who was an incompletion machine in getting a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: bunch of targets week after week. Also, I know we
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: still need to tackle and line help. I love Ted McMillan, yep,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: And if he's there when we draft, I'm shooting for him.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 9: I'm definitely starting to come around on the receiver thing,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 9: mainly just because some of the tackles have kind of
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 9: dropped off off a little bit, but also just you know,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 9: look if you have a really good quarterback like Drake May.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: We're already seeing that even this line is starting to
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: level off a little bit in past protection.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: Ted McMillan is a is a dog with a D
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: A w G.
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  Speaker 3: But what do you think about his hypothesis that Booty's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: comments were aimed at poke, like when they throw it
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: to me, I don't drop it.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: See. I think that's one If we go back to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: me and Evan talking last week, that's when I think
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: you're you're putting some pieces in place that haven't been said. Now.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: You're interpreting something stretching, you know. And I'm not telling
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: you you're wrong, but I'm saying I don't think. I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: don't think it's a logical conclusion to say that's that's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: what he said. Just take him a face back. He
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: feels like he needs to have the ball throw in
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: his way more. Yeah, Like, I don't think it has
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: to be an indictment of Polk.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: It felt like, how can you throwing it to him
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: so much?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: Right now? Maybe that maybe that is what he meant,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: but I didn't take it that way. A little trivia, Yeah,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: I love love trivia.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Brian and Swansea writes in this is raft themed trivia,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: so we've got to bring Alex in. Drake may joins
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Richard Seymour and Gerard Mayo as the only Patriot player
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: drafted with a top ten pick during the last thirty years.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: What team has had the most top ten draft picks
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: during this time period?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 9: The Cleveland Browns No. One of two teams Jaguars.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: No Jaguars, are you looking?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: I didn't.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: They have an astonishing twenty, including ten straight from two
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: thousand and eight to twenty seventeen during the Super Bowl era.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Named the three players drafted number one overall who have
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: had the same last name as a Massachusetts municipality number
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: one overall, So that narrows it down quite a bit.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: Cam Newton, Yes, ooh.
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  Speaker 9: That's a good one. Crap, I'm not going to think
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: it outside.
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  Speaker 4: The box like that. We move on to the next one.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: I want to. I want to keep thinking, but move
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: on to the next one. I don't want to bog
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: the show down like Mike Franceso.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: In the nineteen eighty nine Draft eighty nine, the first
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: pick Troy a Minute, third pick Barry sanders In, fourth
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: pick Derek Thomas, and fifth pick d On Sanders were
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: all elected to the NFL.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: A bad draft.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who was the second pick in that year's.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: Draft eighty nine, nineteen eighty.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: So who was the pick after Troy A?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: Can you give me the team that drafted Brian Bosworth
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: might give it away, but the Colts Steve Empman. No.
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  Speaker 8: But along the trev Alberts no Dawson.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: Dawson boards illustrated vander rich Tony manderridch he was drafted
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: by green Bay, wasn't he?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: According to this According to Brian and Swansea, he said,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: I thought.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: He was drafted by green Bay. But that's four Hall
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: of famers in.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: The first five picks those induced football card collecting.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: Nice, I had all those guys.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Who was the last player drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: with a top five pick?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh, give you a hint time ago? Correct? Wow? Correct?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: And finally, what college has had a quarterback, running back,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: wide receiver, and tight end drafted during the Super Bowl era?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Who have been selected to the Hall of Fame? What
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: college had all those players drafted and all gone to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: this Hall of Fame? Alabama, Penn State, Notre Dame, Joe Montana,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, and Dave Casper.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: I did not know.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Dave.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: That's a good one. You want to go back to it.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it. No more questions.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 9: He's going to put it on the.
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  Speaker 4: Alright, give me.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: One is north Shore or close to nor Short Chris
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: pe but it's up north in Massachusetts, Trevor Lawrence. And
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: the other one is i'd say, you know, on the how.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: About like give me like a team or something that
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: drafted him. Could be anybody. Uh he played for team
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: I hate wow. That could be no help. That could
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: be many. He's either on the Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Cardinals, Chargers, Raiders.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of team was having a great season
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: and then got hurt close to the playoffs I think,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: or maybe it was in the week one of the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: playoffs there, Watson mass Now.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: All right, why don't you just tell me Carson Palmer.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: Palmer Palmer never would have gotten Okay, good one, Brian.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: That's good because are too deep, that's outside the box,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 9: thinking too much.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go to Newton Palmer and Lawrence. Let's go
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: to Christian in Virginia. What's up, Christian?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 21: Hey, how's it going?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Guys?
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  Speaker 22: I got three things. One, I think our chances of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 22: getting Key Higgins or DK Metcalf are getting slimmer and
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 22: slimmer every game that well, every game that they don't play.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 22: The Seahawks and the Bengals just can't pull it off.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 22: The Seahawks, especially this last game. It was a season
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 22: low and they didn't have a play longer than twenty yards.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 22: DK Metcalf averages like sixteen yards per reception.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 9: Metcalf isn't going anywhere.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: So I don't Yeah, I don't.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: I don't think he's the only one that has this take.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 9: It's not your fall, Christian, So wait a minute, I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 9: don't know.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: I just take this morning that the Patriots could be
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: buyers of it.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, we're talking about acquiring a wide receiver right now.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Well, they could be buyers of a player that a
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: team wants to unload.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: Are you talking about a free agency Christian or a trade? Okay?
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: And your point is that because the teams Cincinnati and
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: Seattle haven't played well in the games that those guys
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: haven't played is going to up the level of urgency
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: to resign them. Is that your point? Yeah, Okay, I
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 9: But DK Metcalf isn't even a free agent. This is
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 9: a bath take He's on his island about this. DK
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: Metcalf is going to somehow be available for somebody to
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 9: acquire via trade. And I keep telling him that that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 9: is unlikely to happen, and he keeps giving the take out.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: And I would say, if you think T Higgins is
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: going to be a free agent, I would absolutely Cincinnati
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: is not going to change. Oh we need we need
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: to Cincinnati's yea polly run. So I think there's a
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: good chance that he's going to become available.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 9: Has he had three things?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: That was one to my.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 10: Other point was.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 21: I think I think it's kind of dumb when people
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 21: get upset about running the score up. You know, it's NFL.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 21: It's professional football. It's not like Alabama playing some no
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 21: name school. And I think that's kind of an overblown thing,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 21: especially that I saw this week with like the Panthers
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 21: uh Broncos game. And then my last point something kind
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 21: of random. I don't know if you guys have seen
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 21: John Gruden's TikTok but it's very entertaining.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: That out. And I would just say like this, I
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: think people misunderstand when people talk about running up the score.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: It's not necessarily because like it, you know, it's it's
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: not like you know, having to watch Tua Tiger value
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Loa play football and it you know, it upsets you,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: it makes you, you know, put you in a bad
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: place mentally, right, It's it's just wasted energy. Like I
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: would say, as a you know, as a follower of
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: the two thousand and seven Patriots, I think they wasted
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: time worrying about things that weren't important, like putting fifty
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: on Joe Gibbs. Like I just didn't think that that
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: was worth it.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think they wasted time. I think it was
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: easy to do and they did it.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't think you get anything out of that.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: I don't really think there's any value in that. Well,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: what are you gonna do? Field goals? Paul, Yes, that's
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: exactly what you got. That's running up the score. You
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: give them a chance to stop you, No, you take
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: your guys out of the game, So maybe they have
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: a little bit more left. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: Did they do that too. No, no, no, they famously
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: didn't because if you remembered out Jill Arnold explained to
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: us that just can't take them all out because you
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: don't have enough backups. Gollie g Willakers.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 9: It's kind of like the equivalent of like, you know,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 9: they don't do it as much as now, but like
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 9: the Slocks used to leave the Jason to get their
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 9: stats at the end of blowouts and so that Jason
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 9: Tatum could have thirty points a game for the seasons,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 9: they would keep them in the game. And it was like, now,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 9: hopefully they've matured and they've realized and I think they
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: have a little bit.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they have a little bit. They don't.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: They don't stat hump anymore like they used to. And
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: I listen, Detroit, more power to you. You're a really
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: good team. I just think that's waste and energy. I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: think that you can, you know, you can rest guys
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit. You can, you know, ensure their health
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: a little bit better. What do you like in the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: end of the day, what's the difference if you win
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl but you have a plus ten point
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: differential as opposed to a plus twenty Who cares, But
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: isn't the goal to win the game? No, but you
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: read your lot. I mean they were having fun.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: They were going in there and they were pumping another
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: one that bites the dust after a game.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: But ironically that was the most fun they had. And
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: that was a close game twenty four to twenty. There
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: was no but there was no running up to score.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I know, but they would have if they could, you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: I know they obviously would have if they could have,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: because they did it every game that they could.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: I just don't think you get anything out of that.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any value in it. And for
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: a guy like Bill Belichick, who was constantly talking about
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: staying in the moment, worrying about I'm not what's important.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: I thought, I know you at.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: The time, I loved it.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: But I just don't. Just kind of you don't have
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: to agree with that reason either. But it's not because
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: I think it offends the other team. Now, there is
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: part of it, but there's part of it you're being
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: to dB and the call it. Christian was right. Denver
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: was trying to run up the score against Carolina the
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: other day and the Panthers didn't like it, and actually
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: it backfired because they ended up turning the ball over
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: and Carolina ended up scoring a touchdown at the end
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: of the game, and like, just there's energy now being
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: wasted having to defend at the end of a game
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: that should have been over. You know. Obviously an extreme
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: example from two weeks earlier, in a game that had
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: long since been decided and Chris Godwin goes down for
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: the season. You know, it's a hard game to play
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: at the highest level, and I think you're just asking
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: for trouble like that, like losing a player. Now, Tampa
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: was losing, they weren't winning. It wasn't a running up
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: to score kind of a thing. But the game was
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: over in the last minute and they're you know, they're playing.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting that they did that, they did it wrong,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: but I just think more things like that can happen
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: bad than oh okay, we ended up winning fifty two
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: to fourteen.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: It's one of my favorite pul parolotics of all time.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: I love that. That's great. I've never thought about it
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: that way, And that's why I'm not being because.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: People always go to like the soccer mom, that's what
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: they used to make fun of. So this is maybe
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: this triggers me a little bit because this is back
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: in my big show days when I used to be
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: on EEI, my original station. Fred and I would go
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: in with Glenn wood Way and like Fred Smerlis and
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: Fred would want Fred and Steve you know you guys
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: ruled up to remember Friend and Stave of course, right
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: they you know, if you disagree with them, they would.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: You know, we're gonna throw you in a locker. You
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: know that That's what it was, right, you know, And
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: it was fun. They weren't being serious about it, but
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: they were. And I would and I would just say like, yeah,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: like what do you get at it?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 14: Like?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: What is what? What is the end game? Let me
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: is the I always say, like, what's the pluses and minuses? Right?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: What's the pluses and minuses? To me, the minuses grossly
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: outweigh the pluses. So let me if you lose an
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: important player while you're trying to get a meaning with.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: Score, so let me ask you a question. If you
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: do sub and the subs continue to score, is that.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yes you can't.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: It's all about keeping the player.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting. With nine minutes left in a four
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: touchdown game. You should just go out, take a knee
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: and punt. No, the guys that are on the field
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: need to play right, okay, like you know, but at
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: the same time, you don't need to be throwing bombs bombs.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 9: Having the running back throw touchdown passes.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: You know. As an example, Although I don't know how
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: how late that touchdown was, I want to say it
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: was the second happened, but I certainly they wouldn't be
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: taking fifty one yard field goals to make it fifty two.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: But it was also part of that, you know, just
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Bill being pissed off at the league.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's what I'm saying it. That's what Dan
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: Campbell's doing right now. That's why I draw the comparison. Yeah,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: Dan Campbell was bad at what Mike said. Like he
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: thinks they were wronged last year. This all started with
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: the Dallas game, but in a game, right, they were
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: wronged in a game. Yeah, but he thinks that it
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: was the league that has an out for him. It's
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: the same principle.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: Why would the league have anything out for the Detroit Lions.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know. You tell me why they consistently get
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: screwed when it's the biggest spots because I could understand
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: how they feel like that.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's more that the league loves
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: the Cowboys.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so it was, it wasn't over yet. It was
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 9: twenty eight to fourteen when Montgomery threw the touchdown.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just I'm using these as examples, like
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: the Dallas game, they emptied the bucket with these trick
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: plays they had. They had like three or four different
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: things that one I get. I think they're doing it
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: on purpose, and that's I'm not complaining that they're running
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: up the score. I'm just saying, like, can't you.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Thing?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Can't you better? Especially that team, which I think they kind.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: Of right, they're feeling themselves a little bit, and they lose.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: They lose the details on the margins on a regular basis,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: let alone, when your goal is to win by as
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: many points as opposed to just win.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: Who's the most overrated team right now in the NFL
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: overrate over It's a big question. I think I've got one.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: It's a big question. I would have had an answer
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: a couple of like Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, min Pittsburgh would have
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: been my answer. But I think they're going to be
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: playoff fodder. I kind of think that, well, I don't
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: think that they're a contender, so I guess they fit
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: your criteria. Yeah, I will say I've been a little
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: surprised that Russell Wilson, Like I thought, Russell Wilson the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: first week was a fluke. He was throwing balls up
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: for grabs and Jege Pickens was making ridiculous catches on
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: balls that in a lot of cases bounced off of
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: Jets defenders first. But last night wasn't fluky. Like their
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: offense was good last night.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't say like overraight, It's probably not the right word.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 9: But like, I don't expect Washington to actually make serious noise.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 9: I think that they have a really good rookie quarterback.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: It's had a great year, but I don't when it
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 9: really becomes, you know, money making time in the playoffs,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 9: I don't really expect that.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: At Baltimore, great one still, So no, I just I
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 6: can't do it to Lamar.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: But defense, their defense has not been good, but he's
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 9: been awesome.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Dana Virginia and Michigan. Wasn't there a reason why the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: Patriots ran up the score against Washington and seven. I
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: vaguely remember Gibbs something about Bill Belichick having an axe
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: to grind, specifically with Joe Gibbs.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Yep, that's the theory. I mean that's not what was
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: it that he didn't like Joe Gibbs from his NFC.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 9: Easters Yeah eighties Redskins.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, now that's not like that doesn't mean that's fact,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: but that's the general consensus at the time was right,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: he doesn't like you did something. Do you remember when
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: we used to go to every game and we would
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: figure out by the end of the game, like you know,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: every once in a while, they would just take a
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: knee and run the clock out and there he must
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: he must like Fred Kursh you know, do you remember that?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: You know that's how that's how bad that you know,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: like they went undefeated. These are the things that we
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: talked about these games. Oh, he must not have an
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: extra grind with him.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: John writes in he says, I have an apology to
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: sexual assault. Wanted to apologize for Mike to Mike for
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: saying he was moving the goalpost in the Sunday post
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: game show. Finding out it was his computer networking that
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: was causing the frustration. I can imagine the ride home now,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: no music playing, just a straight face Mike in the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: open road. Also, can you talk about the good game
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Gonzo had. I love hearing the micd up when his
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: coach said, be ready, they're coming at you here. Yeah,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: that was a little NFL film's magic there.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: I appreciate it. I appreciate that. That was very true.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: I was very flustering.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 9: I have not seen you quite that fall.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, imagine this, the game is unfolding, it's the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 8: final drive. Everybody knows what happened, and it's like you're
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 8: like everybody's on edge, and I'm like, try to type
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 8: a sentence. It's there, and then all of a sudden
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 8: it's gone, you know. And then I like, so I
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 8: reload the page. You know, this is what you're going through,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 8: and you're looking up like the place going off and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: So I just didn't enjoy the win at all. And
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: I got home and I.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 8: Was just so like, God, I'm like in a bad
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 8: mood right now, and they won the game, Like what
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 8: the hell? And then so, like I said, I watched it,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 8: I just put it.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: You get to be proud with Fred, right, I didn't
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: know I wasn't proud. I was just like stupid comp.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 9: Always tell you the back. I tell you this all
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 9: the time. I write those old dogs, and then you
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 9: copy and paste it the time. We keep telling you asking.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: That you're writing right into That's dumb, that really is
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: I live on the edge do that.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: I don't really.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: I want to publish immediately, but it doesn't really.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: Say you know, as you're done, you copy and paste,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: you put it in.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 9: I hit her three years.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: I can't believe that even even the young tech guy
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: is telling you not to do that.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 8: It's not just the old In my defense, I couldn't
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: even get into Google Docs during the during the.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: US, I wasn't I was using one of the.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 9: I don't even know how you do how you write?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: He's using the tablet.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: I live on the end of the game.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Why don't you just use your phone? That's what would
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: do well? Why don't you just dictate that?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 9: That's also partially why I use Google Docs is because
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: then I can access it on all my devices. So
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: like when we are in game, I'll write on my
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 9: laptop and then when I go down to the locker room,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 9: it's still there on my phone, so then I can
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 9: keep writing.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: All right, I'll come up with something new for everybody.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: I definitely need to do more with Google Docs because
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: I don't really know.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 9: If I could everything on my phone when we're on
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 9: the road, I would never publish in time because like
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 9: how would I be able to?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: You know, but do you write into pocket on your
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: You just write into Google Docs and then and then yeah,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: as soon as we get on to publish.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: So well, that's the other thing that you can know.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: I do it myself, but just send it to the squad.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I do it myself. But by the time we're
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 9: on the bus, I've already written the entire game observations
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 9: is done on my phone, and then I copy it.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: Great inside Baseball, see.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 8: I just the hard part with writing on your phone though,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 8: was like I think it's something, and I got to
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: go back up and then I got to like get
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 8: the cursor and then I can't.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, I could never write.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: I can't. I can't write on my phone.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: That's without this multiple fat finger.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying I've never done it, but like, if
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: I have any kind of choice, I would that would
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: be my last resort.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: I still miss the BlackBerry push do some of my
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: best miss my phone?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: Wow, you know that was the original phone that we
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: got from from Freddy. You know, I don't remember that.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: It was very brief. I never got one. By the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: time we got them, they kind of were already on
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: the way out and becoming obsolete.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Figuthing.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 9: Do you want some NFL news to get us off? Yeah,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 9: we got The Colts have made a quarterback change.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: Not surprised by that.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 9: Anthony Richardson to the bench and Joe Flacco the starter.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: And when do we play the Colts?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 9: Not not too long from that.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: That's not good for the Patriots. That game becomes much
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: more difficult with an actual quarterback.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 9: Passes and Stefan Diggs. Your boy torn a c l
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 9: out for the season.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know he got hurt?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: Did I miss that on?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 9: That's been your update?
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: He did?
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: No, I know, I knew he got hurt. They were
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 6: They said it didn't look good.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: I should have known. That's why you were sad, did you?
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: Guys? See though, Anthony Richardson tapping out.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm saying. You can't stiking, but that's
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: what you have to do. Like you absolutely positively have
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: to do that move. You can't let a guide do.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: Did you see how many guys that have been in
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: the NFL? It said, I've never literally never seen this before.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: You need a blowcoach.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: I'm tired of what's going on. I need a blow.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: Like, what's he doing the rest of the offensive cornerator?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: He did? He literally just Donevan McNabb throw up in
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: the right.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: Right, but you stay in there.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: That's that's the point, Fred, Even the guy who was
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: throwing up in the huddle didn't tap out right.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 9: Anthony Richardson is like the guy that everybody thought Drake
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 9: may was, which is like in college, you could put
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 9: like five amazing throws in a highlight package, but then
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 9: the rest of it is just an absolute disaster.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: He's had more like ten to thirty two's right than
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: you can.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: And like five of them are all like thirty two.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 9: Like he has these unbelievable big time throws down the field,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 9: but then he just can't hit like a slam I mean.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: Athlete. He needed a lot of work and he missed
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: those work seasons. Who knows who knew of like playing
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: more games might have helped him ah.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: Good shot shot? Uh, North Carolina?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: Todd?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 23: Hey, guys, I just want to thank you guys for
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 23: keeping it real. For some of these other stations, I
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 23: don't even like reading their stop or listening doesn't because
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 23: they have these weird, bizarre takes on everything and come on, like,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 23: we've got a rookie head coach, a rookie defensive coach,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 23: a ricky offensive coach. And I looked up. I think,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 23: didn't Jakobe just play like three or two gamest year?
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 23: Wasn't he with Washington or something?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: He wasn't wasn't.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 23: Ready to go this year. Really, he didn't have a
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 23: full year last year, and they had to try to
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 23: prep him up. And then they're working on May and
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 23: we've got to make shift everything, we've got to rebuild.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: I'm wanting names, Todd. Who are these other stations?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Who?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: Come on?
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: So it was a little bit of the musket thing, guys.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: W e I okay, I haven't heard anyone say that
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: they're not interview.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: I have to be honest, right, Yeah, the musket fires.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 10: You guys are keeping realistic.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 23: We should celebrate our wins. And I like, why you
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 23: look at us We shouldn't have win. We brought so annoying.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: So your boys, Mike, I'm gonna blame you and your
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: musket fired because I was looking for the people who
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: actually said that bloggers.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: Aren't being positive. That doesn't sound right.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 9: It does feel like this win as much as we
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 9: are excited about it, Like we talked about it after
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 9: sustainability factor after week one, and it's the same thing,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 9: like there's no.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: You're not going to play a team that's just melting
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: down in front of your eyes.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think this one out of every
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: far right every five games, right.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 9: I think the stat was teams that score twenty plus points,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 9: zero turnovers and give up fewer than two hundred and
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 9: fifty yards. We're seven hundred and fifty and oh right
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: in NFL history until the Jets. On Sunday, I heard
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 9: that seven hundred and fifty and one.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: That's the most Jets things.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 9: So just putting into perspective like that's how little sustainability
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 9: and I would.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: I would just say, like, what the numbers are, what
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: the numbers are? Seven hundred and fifty and oh is unbelievable.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah right. I think it's a little misleading to say
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: like without with no turnovers when no, they technically didn't
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: turn the ball over. They missed a field goal, two
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: extra points, three delay of games right, used all the
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: timeouts in the first quarter, snap the ball to under
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: center when the quarterback was in the shotgun. I mean
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: they turned the ball out, allowed a sixty two yard
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: part return. I mean there's a lot of turnover like plays.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: In at it.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: They turned the game over absolutely, you know, but technically
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: they did not turn the ball over.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: That's what do you think is gonna happen? I mean,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: you know Woody Johnson, uh, you know, got rid of Salah.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: Do you think that he's going to do something like
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: this week like fire somebody else?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: I think he just got to play it out.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: At this point, they're out of moves. I think they're.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 9: Fascinated to see what they do, though, because you can't
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 9: be beholden to Rogers. If he's going to like this,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 9: like if he was going to play like an MVP,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 9: then you can be but you can't be beholden to Rodgers.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 9: He's gonna play like this, So you're not going to
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 9: hire the next head coach for Aaron Rodgers. Like It's
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 9: not like if Mike McCarthy gets fired in Dallas, that
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: they should be hiring Mike McCarthy go.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: Twenty more minutes. It was a really good one that
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: Florido throughout it today. Do you think you think if
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: someone gets hurt this week that someone would want to
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: trade for Aaron Rodgers, Like if some team that loses
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: their starring quarterback. Yeah, Like how it changes so fast
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: the narrative.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: Christians in LA. What's up, Christian.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 10: Guys?
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: How are you?
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: Today's good?
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 12: Great?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 10: But my most overrated team right now is the Minnesota Viking. Well,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 10: I'm happy for Sam Donald soa final finally coming on
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 10: and researching as a competent quarterback. I don't think it's
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 10: sustainable as far as as far as our team goes.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 10: Like the gentleman before me just said, hey, I'm just
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 10: enjoying the Royds this year. I'm seeing mainly for me,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 10: if this system can be a workable system with better athletes.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 10: What do you guys think?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a that's sort of how I watched these games.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 9: When I watch them back, especially is more okay, you know,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 9: no offense to any of the players that are on
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 9: the field. But if this is T Higgins instead of
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 9: wide receiver X. I don't want to name anybody specifically,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 9: but is it would this be better? And would this work?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 9: And like the obvious answer is yes, But I still
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 9: think offensively, they're they're they're not a very innovative offense.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 9: Like I don't think that it's an offense. It's not sound,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 9: but it's just not very creative or innovative. I don't
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 9: think they've really.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: Had a chance yet to do that type of thing.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe right now, which is not his in his
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 9: typical it's not an a VP's DNA to be.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Like, I just I can't make a judgment yet one
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: way or the other. I just don't think they've had
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: enough opportunity yet. You you know, as billys to say,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: we're just trying to get the you know, center quarterback exchange.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: The Jets are still doing it. You know, I think
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: this didn't work.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff we're working through before we
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: get to that point where we can be creative.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 9: I would say that there's also you know, since the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: past protection is settled down, you see some of their
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 9: route combinations actually start to take hold and like you know,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 9: work and create space, do things like that and That's
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 9: why I was talking about at the beginning of the show,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 9: like now that they have some time back there for
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 9: the quarterbacks to let these plays develop, suddenly you are
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 9: seeing some bigger plays down the field. You are seeing
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 9: some of those route combinations work. Well, I just don't
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 9: see them the way they present plays, you know, formations, motion,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 9: things like that, Like they don't do that the way
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 9: that the type pantskys do it.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: I had similar kind of thoughts watching the defense, thinking about,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: you know, what's the real nose tackle. What's this defense
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: look like with a real nose tackle in here? Somebody
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 8: who's really controlling the middle of the line. Well, not
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 8: not him, not him, not him, because he was getting
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 8: off to you know, they're playing him off the side something.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: But same thing with the edge, you know. I mean,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 8: I like Jennings. I wish Jennings could rush the passer.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 8: I wish he had something, but he you know, it's
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 8: just a he's a big physical guy. He's going to
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 8: try to throw a little shimi and get around, but
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 8: he doesn't have you know, moves. I like him, I mean,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 8: I like him being part of the team, but they
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 8: need somebody who's in every down edge rusher that you
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 8: know you get bar more back and you got White,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 8: You're really cooking.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: Then I think, yep, let's see David Maine right saying.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: I'll start by saying that I hope Drake is okay
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: and makes a speedy recovery. Mayo mentioned on Monday that
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: it was the league that called down to have May
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: brought to the locker room for a concussion assessment. Do
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: you find yet a little suspect that just a few
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: short weeks ago, Josh Allen was not unconscious and was
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: sniffing smelling salts on the sideline, but only missed one play.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: Rewind to last year in the AFC Championship, Mahomes took
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: a blow to the head that broke a chunk out
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: of his helmet. No locker room for him. It seems
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: to me that player safety comes first as long as
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: they don't have to pull a star. I know this
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: sounds insensitive, but I only bring this up because after
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: May's hit, he threw a beautiful pass while on the run.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Then Mayo said that May really wanted to go back.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: Now he'll probably have to miss at least one more game.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is that the league needs to be consistent.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: Does anyone to know does anyone even know what the
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: concussion of the proto call is? Specifically? I googled it
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: and all I could find is that it's a five
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: step process.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I could tell I'm not going to
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 9: sit here and bog down the whole show telling you
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 9: the five step process. But some of the b reporters
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 9: I saw, I think Mark Daniels put out like the
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 9: entire five step process word for word, if you are
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 9: really that interested in it. The throw that he made
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 9: after the concussion was the one to Booty that Booty
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 9: dropped on third down. That was the good throw that
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 9: he made. That happened after he significantly got didn't he.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: Get sacked after that? And then the next drive coming
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: out the second quarter.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 9: He did get sacked once. I don't remember when exactly
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 9: it was.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think he completed any path. I don't think
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: he threw any that. The Thornton pass definitely happened before before.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what about though, you know we remember Josh Allen
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: getting him and he.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: Didn't have a concussion. Well, how do they know because
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: they evaluated him on the sideline.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, if he's unconscious.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: That's okay, Okay, So when was he unconscious? That's what
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: he said. No, he didn't, that's what the emailers. That's
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: what the emailer said. He didn't say he was unconscious.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah he did.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: The emailer said, he's on he was unconscious.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: Josh Allen was No.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: The emailer said that Josh Allen was unconscious. I watched
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: the game. He wasn't unconscious.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: They made him go off the field telling you what
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: he wanted.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: To stay on. The emailer said he was unconscious and
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: then he was sniffing smelling salts.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, so that's that's a lie. Okay, Like that's a lie,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: David Man, you're a liar. Well, he wasn't. I was
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: watching the game. That was a red zone.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 24: Was a weekend at Bernie's possession where they were just
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 24: kind of like he also just Drake May did not
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 24: look right after he took that hit, and it kind
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 24: of took him a second to get up, and I.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: Think that the NFL made a mistake not pulling him
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: off the field, like this whole thing that the NFL
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: made him. But they were about fifteen minutes late. Zoe
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: Live on the broadcast said he's slow getting up here.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: He saw it like these guys when they leave the
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: game and they have to go to get evaluated. Not
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: everybody has a concussion. Right now, you can make an
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: argument that he really did have a concussion, and they
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: said that he didn't. I don't know. I didn't do
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: the medical evaluation. I can't speak intelligently on that.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: And I would think with all the you know, she's
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: money and scrutiny the league has been over the years
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: and the lawsuit with the concussions, the last thing that
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: they want is to be found out that they're giving
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: preferential treatment to stars.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: What comes to the well, how about a guy was
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: unconscious on the field and they didn't make him go
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: to the locker room?
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: Does that make any sense to anybody? That's what he said.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: But I'm asking you if you think that makes sense.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: I don't think that that defense. Pat McAfee is the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: one that's been saying he was knocked out.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 15: I'm looking at it right now.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: He wasn't knocked out. In Pat McAfee, you're a liar.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 9: This is just mine. Something happened I missed. I do
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 9: think that in just my opinion. I think this does
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 9: happen in the playoffs.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: There's no question that happened to Julian Edelman.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 9: Right, I was going to bring up Edelman. I believe
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 9: after the fact has admitted that he was definitely.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, he said he didn't remember what down it was. Yeah.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, But so it does happen when the State High
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 9: it happens in a meaning not meaningless, but a regular
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 9: season game in the middle of October. I don't think
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 9: that that's happening.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: But there's a difference between getting your bell rung and
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: getting you know, impossibly have a concussion and being knocked out. Yeah, Like,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: do you believe that Patrick Mahomes was was knocked out
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs last year?
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: Well, he talked about he was talking about the other guy, Josh.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: Do you believe that Josh Allen knock Well, I saw
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: that he wasn't. Okay, So why are you get busted
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: my chops about.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: Him because you were telling me that that he didn't
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: say that.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: I said he, I said he wasn't knock. No, But
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: you say he didn't say that.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: I said, no, he did say it.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: That's what you were saying. Oh okay, Yeah, my bad.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: It's like he wasn't Like I.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: Just every time this all gets back to the tour thing.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: For me, it really does. Every time someone gets hit,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: it's the end of a guy's life, and.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: It's just right.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: It's a there's a lot of risk that's involved in
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: the sport. Guys are going to get concussions. I didn't
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: see anybody the Miami game here about three or four
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: weeks ago, a Chan got lit up by Jalen Hawkins
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: right in front of the Dolphins bench. He went down
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: with the fencing position, and no one said a word
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: about it. I've heard so many people claim that they've
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: never seen the fencing position other than from Tua. I've
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: seen that at least even once a year, every year
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: i've watched the game.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: I also heard a lot of yes, yeah.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 9: After it happened to May, Like I had a lot
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 9: of people and I mentioned saying that he's now he's
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: got to wear the Guardian cap and they're gonna have to,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 9: you know how what's his long term like health implications
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 9: of this. And I'm not trying to make light of
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 9: concussions or anything like that.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: But I think other people try to like like tell you,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: like Paul said, it's the end of their career.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, like every single hit is a referendum on
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: the future of the person the league. You know, in
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: this case, it's cheating. They're rooting for the you know,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: they're allowing stuff for stars like Mahomes and Allen that
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: they won't for a rookie. Like not everything is it
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: like an uncovered like conspiracy.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about good things. Ben Brown Patrick in Connecticut
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: rights and been listening for about three years now. I
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: want to say I love the show. Wanted to bring
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: up Ben Brown. I feel like I haven't heard anything
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: about his play since taking over the center spot. I'm
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: not a deep in the woods guy when it comes
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: to stats, but I like what I've seen. Was wondering
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: if he's someone who has surprised you, and do you
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: feel like he has a longer future than just this year.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 9: I would say he's certainly surprised me because he's a
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 9: guy off the scrap he that's starting games for the
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 9: Patriots and doesn't look totally out of place. I would
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 9: just say that Quentin Williams ate his lunch money a
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 9: little bit in this game, But like Quinn Williams, an
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 9: all pro player.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 6: And David Andrews lunch More and.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 9: Like literally every time they played the Jets, Quinn Williams
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 9: is in the backfield one hundred times. So it's like,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 9: I'm not trying to hold that against Ben Brown, but
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 9: I would say the one thing that stands out to
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 9: me is that he's a bigger center, and that has
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 9: helped him out maybe at times in the run game
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 9: a little bit, that he has a little bit more
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 9: size to him than some of the typical centers that
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 9: you see. But I still think he's a backup. Like
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 9: I haven't seen enough to say that he's a starting center.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: I just say too, like we saw so many boss
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: snaps this summer that.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 9: Hasn't been a problem. Yeah, And he's making all the
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 9: line calls too, which I is remarkable. Like he started
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 9: the game against Houston, he had been there for like
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 9: a cup of coffee and he's already making line calls
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 9: with a rookie quarterback, and that's really impressive.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: So I don't I'm asking because I don't know in
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: order to make line calls, do you have to know
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: the playbook or is it something else the protections?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, so like that's not easy no, no, and
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 9: they they they've simplified some of their protections, which I
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 9: think has actually worked out in their favor. So they're
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 9: doing a lot of like half slide and then locked
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 9: on the backside into man to man, so like that,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 9: I actually think that that's helped the past protection settle
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 9: down a little bit. It's less five man slides, moving pockets,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 9: things like that. But it's hard, like he has to
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 9: point out the mics and it's not. None of that
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 9: is on the quarterback in this offense like it has
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 9: been in the past, So it's different.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, Paul. On the shirt that you're wearing, though, is
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: that that's not a quarters?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: Is that a half zip?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: Is that what it's considered low quarters?
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: It's not a quarter, it's a quarter.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: How can that be a quarter zip? It's only a quarters?
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: Fred hates me? You agree.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: I think it's at least the third zip.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not that.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 9: It's a three quarters zip.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: This is Fred's half.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: Fred's a full zip.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: It's a half sip.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: I think there's much more shirt at the bottom of the.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't count the last you know, that's
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: a half if it goes below your nipples.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: That's a half zip below the nipples.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's below the nipples.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: It's up here.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: It's a quarters. A little lower than that.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: It's a quarter zip. That's a quarter.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 9: We've had some good ones today.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: That's a quarters.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 6: It's the full sip guy calling everybody out over here.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: He's young and hip. Now with the you know little
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: zip zips, you know, sweaterwater, take it out of my murray,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: you want to you want to wear? Do you want
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: to wear a sweater or a vest? To make up
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: your mind?
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: It's a sweater.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: It can't decide what it wants to be.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: Really, Why sleeves.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 14: It's funny jacket.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: It's funny looking. It is weird, it's sweetish, it's definitely.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: It's definitely the young and hip look.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: You think, so it is it young and hitting the right?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, it is.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 6: I'll take that on video.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 9: Now he's swist. He's going to be pissed it out.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: I like it because it's warm. I get cold a
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: lot these days, my extremities.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: So I you know, we have time it fifty six
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: degrees from now this morning had yeah, no, I had
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: to pull the trigger and put the heat on. Broke
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: the seal. I did. It's going right back off because
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: it's supposed to be like seventy tomorrow.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: I know, we'll just put it down to like sixty two.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: The thermostatic. It hasn't been on, no, I know. I
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: just put it on because you know, there was a
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: little fifty six that's a little long.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's smell that smell.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. Beth left for work this morning, she goes, hey,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: it was fifty six in the house. Maybe you want
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: to put them I go, why don't you put it
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: on now? She goes, yeah, just shut it off when
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: you go to work. But I didn't. So let's get that.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: Let's let's warm the house Outmber November first is always
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: my target date here, and especially now I have no money.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: I had to put it on kids in college. Jordan
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: and Kansas.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: We didn't get any you know, the last time.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: Everybody else did Jordan and Kansas. Do you think the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: Patriots gave Taekwon Thornton a significant amount of reps to
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: display him for a trade? You obviously didn't show anything
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: that we already didn't know, but just the thought, I
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: Made a good play. I mean, I know we dropped one,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: but the guy was like on the bench for like
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: a month, comes out he made a big play.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: I got big so excited when he got that play
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: on the crosser. And it's like, okay, use your speed go.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: Did you guys missed to look it up?
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 9: He only played twelve snaps. Yeah, so I wouldn't necessarily
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 9: say it was like a big role.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 6: I justep going back to your thing with him, he
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 6: just it doesn't look right. Doesn't look right, like he
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 6: doesn't have the right body type and the movement skills
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: don't there's no suddenness. Do you think if we straight line.
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  Speaker 4: Watch stuff and that's our take, do you think that
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  Speaker 4: people around the league are like, oh yeah, give him
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  Speaker 4: a three. You're getting you're getting a conditional you know,
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  Speaker 4: seventh round pick, sixth round pick.
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  Speaker 9: Be nice than other than Hunter Henry, who again very
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  Speaker 9: good in this game. Like, can one receiver make a
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  Speaker 9: play on the ball for his quarter for the quarterback here,
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  Speaker 9: like and it's not that catch has to be made
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 9: either quarterback, Like it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Just it just it just reminds me about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: being an athlete. We're playing bubble football here, Remember we
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  Speaker 3: used to play bubble football. Andy was quarterbacking, and I
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: ran across Or and he threw the ball to me
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  Speaker 3: and I caught it, but I was having trouble putting
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  Speaker 3: it away. So I'm running it and the ball's like
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: up here, and and he just goes to be an athlete.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I thought. He's such a be an athlete.
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  Speaker 6: Do you throw that back at him? During the tennis game, or.
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  Speaker 4: Fred was running with the ball like this, like the
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: point up and right exactly. That's how it was.
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  Speaker 3: I I remember, all right, that's going to be it
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  Speaker 3: for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Will turn the page to the Tennessee Titans. Be an athlete,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: I just I'll never forget. And then he gets into
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: a fight with somebody. All right, we'll see you tomorrow.
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