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Cheryl Chumley: ‘God-Given Or Bust,’ Saving America With Biblical Truth · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey friends, you're in for a treat today one of my favorite journalists, Cheryl Chumley
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  of The Washington Times.
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  She's got a brand new book out God-given or bust.
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  We'll talk about that next on World View Matters.
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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey guys, thanks so much for tuning in, listening, watching, sharing the podcast.
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  And Cheryl Chumley of course, she's been with us before, she's the online opinion editor
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  of The Washington Times and host of a great podcast called The Bold and Blunt.
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  And she's also a best-selling author of course, public speaker, frequent media guest for
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  national audiences.
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  And she also is a certified private investigator.
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  I don't know if you knew that about her, an armory veteran and the mother of four.
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  Cheryl Chumley, welcome back to World View Matters.
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  Good to see you.
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  It's so great to be with you, David.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Thank you and congratulations on the brand new book.
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  I mean, this one is hot off the presses, I mean, within a matter of weeks.
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  So it's great, God-given or bust, there's the title, subtitle, Defeating Marxism and
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  Saving America with Biblical Truths.
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  Let's start with, before we get into the book, we've got to talk about the inauguration
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  and what's been happening with executive orders and the resistance, the doubling down of some
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  on the left.
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  Let's talk about the forward by Jack Hibbs.
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  How did that connection come to be and just share with us a little bit about Dex.
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  A lot of our audience would be thrilled to hear that.
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  As I was, I was thrilled when he agreed with the forward.
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  Mr. Jack Hibbs is a pastor whom I've long admired and I tune into his sermons and his
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  preachings frequently and over the last few years, I've gotten to know him a little
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  bit.
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  I was invited at one point a couple years ago to go out and share the stage with him and
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  speak about a politics mixed with religion, which is something that I think this nation
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  has forgotten is actually in our DNA too many pastors are afraid to do that.
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  He's one of the few who does regularly.
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  When I was coming up with this book, the topic and the title, he was my go to, he was
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  my number one pick to write the forward and I'm so grateful that he agreed to do it.
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  He's a blessing, he's been on our podcast and the big problem in America is the lack of
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  pulpits, pastors, preachers, talking about quote unquote politics, social issues, quote
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  controversial issues, but these are all issues of morality and the Bible speaks to everything
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  that we're seeing and unfortunately is such a minority of churches are speaking about
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  these things.
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  Even what some of the truths that you go through and God given or bust and we'll share
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  a little bit more, have you shared that in a minute?
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  I mean a lot of pastors I think might be either they're afraid to talk about these things
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  or they're ignorant to our founding or ignorant about our founding and that our rights
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  truly do come from God and we better stand on those principles.
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  Go ahead.
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  Yeah, I think a lot of pastors, a lot of churches, a lot of Christians in general in this
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  country have gotten brow beaten by the left into believing that if you talk about God
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  given rights and liberties, which is really the definition of American exceptionalism,
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  what do you talk about the need to bring faith out of the Sunday pulpits and Sunday churches
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  into regular life, money through Saturday as well, that they automatically go to some
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  sort of Bible thumping type of vision in their minds and that's not what God given individual
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  liberties and rights are about, right?
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  It's just as put forth in the Declaration of Independence that we hold these truths to
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  be self-evident that we're endowed by our creator, meaning God, certain unalienable
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  rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and secondly, that governments are only put
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  in place in order to preserve and protect what we already have at birth.
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  So we're not talking Bible thumping, we're not talking preaching, we're just talking about
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  recognizing that as an individual, we have rights and liberties that come from God and
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  the government is supposed to be the public servant to protect those rights.
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  Amen.
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  And I want to go to your previous book just to mention it briefly, Socialists Don't Sleep.
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  And talk about what's happening in America right now, where you can put Marxists there,
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  you can put the left, you can put radicals, but Socialists don't sleep.
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  When we had good success based on that election when Trump was reelected, right?
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  So now, great, we got a new administration in.
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  The left is not going away, Socialists are not taking an app for a couple years, right?
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  Talk to us a little bit about the fact that we better not be naive about the fact that
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  they're not going to relent on their agenda and many of them are doubling down.
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  Go ahead, Cheryl.
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  All true.
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  And excuse the smile, because when you say President Trump, I just say it gets me so happy
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  thinking, President Trump not President Harris, right?
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  Thank God.
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  Yeah, if you look at this, you know, President Trump's opening days, it's like, boom,
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  boom, boom, talk about defeating Marxism, right?
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  Right.
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  It's really a good time for America, but to go to your point, here's the caveat, right?
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  The solution for long-term liberty in America cannot be found in our political world, right?
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  That's important.
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  And it's very important for Christians, particularly those who understand God, many
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  of those who understand the concept of God-given rights and liberties, to be involved
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  in politics and culture, to vote, to choose proper candidates who recognize the Constitution,
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  and so forth.
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  But if we want to go for a long-term liberty, our individual rights and individualism over
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  collectivism, we have to recognize that God must be at the helm in America, and to put
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  God back in charge means that we go beyond the political battles and we wage the spiritual
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  battle that we in the Christian world know that we're already tasked with doing.
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  After all, the battle of principalities is very will.
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  So in the description of the book, just what you were just saying, the only way to do this
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  is for Americans of faith, the church, to rise up and inject biblical values and godly
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  principles into government, culture and society, and put God once again at the center.
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  So let's talk about President Trump now.
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  Talk about his near-death experience.
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  I guess you might want to call it at the assassination attempt and how even he and those around
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  him are looking at it as a miraculous event, something that, I mean, a razor-thin margin
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  of error there between getting his ear shot and turning his head and him not even being
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  here anymore.
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  He realizes that and I think, how do you think that's going to affect him and I would
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  just get your overall take on that fact and now he's he thinks he's here for a purpose?
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  Well, first off, we're all here for a purpose, right?
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  It's not just Trump was chosen by God to lead the free of the next four years.
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  We all have roles to play that have been specifically and specially chosen by God.
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  So let's not set Donald Trump ahead and above every other American who's just as important
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  in God's eyes.
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  Good point.
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  Second off, I listened to his inaugural speech and I found that it was it was a great speech
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  and what struck me was that as much as it was bold and decisive in spelling out his political
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  agenda, it was actually very spiritual in town and he talked about we are not going to
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  lose our country, we're not going to lose our constitution, we are not going to lose
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  our God.
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  And I think that that perhaps that openness, that open expression of God and he said several
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  more references to that struck me as more spiritual and faith-filled than political.
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  I think that probably is born in part at least to his recognition that he was saved by something
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  greater than himself in order to fulfill a purpose.
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  And he's had a lot of time between his administrations to think about how he's going to best carry
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  forth a pro-America, America first agenda.
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  And I think this time it comes around with a little bit maybe more humility on his part
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  that it's more than just politics.
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  So there's a spirit that drives America and there's a spirit that drives him.
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  Isn't one of the things I was thrilled about in the first couple of days, getting us
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  out, us meaning America, out of the world economic forum, out of the WEF, what are your
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  thoughts on that?
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  Because I remember in his first administration when he was making a speech in New York I
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  think to the UN and he said America will never be a globalist nation and he already had
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  a target on his back, but that he just created more enemies when he said that.
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  So your thoughts on the executive order and the WEF?
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  So just to remind your listeners and watchers why that was so very important, right?
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  We're not talking just about the COVID, crazy and all that and health organization,
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  mishandling that.
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  We're talking also about the fact that who, under Joe Biden, brought forth this very dangerous
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  treaty that would have stripped America of all her sovereignty.
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  It would have put one guy, one communist, one health organization in charge of declaring
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  health emergencies around the world and once declared, then tasking a group of specially
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  chosen doctors to that area to best determine how the world ought to respond in order to
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  contain this emerging health threat.
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  And we're not talking simply viruses, it could have been a climate change threat, right?
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  And so America as part of that treaty would have had to abide whatever the world health
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  organization's communist chief said to do, which, if you look at what, who did during
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  the COVID, to push the lockdowns, to push the clampdowns on freedoms, to push all those
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  very anti-American anti-free actions that we all had to endure for so many years.
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  So we dodged a big bullet with that astounding what could have happened.
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  It really is how close that was and I think most people weren't even aware of that.
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  So friends, I just want to give you a couple of the website, shareholder.substac.com, also
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  over at the Washington Times.com, you can get the Bold and Blunt podcast.
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  I love one of the recent ones, Cheryl Donald Trump's mega is on the march.
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  I love hearing that rather than Marxism on the march as we experienced over the last four
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  years.
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  And over on Amazon.com, you can look up the book, God given or bust.
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  Right at the top in America, either right, very simple, you state either rights come from
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  God or they don't.
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  This is the ultimate war and God given or bust tells how patriots can win.
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  So Cheryl, to even get President Trump reelected, do you think more people, God off the bench
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  and into the game, so to speak, maybe more people were awakened by the left over playing
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  their hand in the last four years, what from 2020, what happened in COVID and beyond that
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  with the transgenderism and everything else.
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  Do you think more people suddenly said, all right, I don't care what they think.
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  I'm going to get involved in politics.
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  What do you think?
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  Well, I do and I do like to think that it was because of the overreach of Democrats,
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  the absolute lunacy that went along with friends, gender movement that drove people to the
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  polls.
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  You and I both know that most Americans outside of very small bubble, right, that their politics
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  are just, they're not as, you know, every day dealing with politics and culture and what
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  moves them during the vote are things like the economy and security and safety.
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  And thankfully, you know, sadly because our nation was brought so low on those points,
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  thankfully, we had Donald Trump coming forth in campaigning specifically on inflation,
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  on rising costs and on the border, which once again was top concern because Americans were
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  seeing firsthand in their own backyards, the absolute folly and wickedness of Joe Biden's
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  open border policies that welcomed him even, you know, thuggish, violent gang members
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  and treated them as if they were actual law abiding American citizen wannabes.
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  So do you, I mean, have you ever heard a reasonable response from a Democrat about why they
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  supported open borders? Have you ever heard something that makes sense?
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  Yeah, so they, so they all couch it in terms of humanity, right?
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  Love for humanity.
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  And I think of Nancy Pelosi a few years going down in the border to campaign for more open
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  borders at a time when we were having violent gang members come in and kill people.
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  And she was talking about those gang members is God loves them too. They're God's children too.
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  So, you know, they, they drag out their, their bibles and constitutions and love for humanity
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  when it's politically pragmatic. But I can tell you that it seems to me, Democrats who do want to
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  do the proper thing on border control are quickly silenced by the more leftist forces in their
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  party. And I point to Mayor Eric Adams in New York City, for example, right? He came out
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  about a year ago and he talked about the need for Joe Biden to start tightening the border
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  because his city was being overrun with illegals who were being bus there at taxpayer expense,
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  right? And what happened? Yeah, he, he quickly was denounced by members of his own party.
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  And if you look at this recent, uh, uh, uh, Lake and Riley bill on Capitol Hill, it was passed with,
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  I think there was what 46, 47 Democrats in the house. And there were some Democrats in the Senate
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  who signed it too. So there are Democrats, thankfully, who still believe in tight borders.
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  Either that or they're sensing the political wind shift, right?
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  They're up for reelection. Yeah. So no, I've never heard to answer your question concisely.
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  I've never heard a Democrat really give a good reason for opening borders wide.
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  And by the way, we've got to take a brief pause with Cheryl Chumley. But by the way, uh,
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  theologically, what Pelosi said, um, every human being is created in the image of God,
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  and Mago Day and has rights and value and is worthy of protection. But including from the womb
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  to the elderly, but not every human being is a child of God, those who believe in Christ
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  and put their faith in trust in Him. We are adopted in the family of God, our children of God,
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  but not every human being because unbelievers are not children of God. There is a spiritual dynamic
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  Cheryl Chumley. The book is God-given or bust and great reviews, by the way, Mike Pompeo,
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  former Secretary of State said this, Cheryl Chumley in God-given or bust has not only shown why
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  God matters in America and how faith is tied to freedom, but also how the idea of God-given
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  rights and liberties as envisioned by our founding fathers actually works and pragmatically plays
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  for both individual and country. This is a powerful book that moves the concept of God-given
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  off paper and into real life. So back with Cheryl Chumley, um, the idea of God-given earlier in
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  the podcast, you mentioned American exceptionalism. I think in the last maybe five, ten years, um,
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  that is almost seen as a derogatory idea. And because we've gotten so far away of the
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  tradition, the basics, the founding fathers, your thoughts on that?
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  Barack Obama really ushered in that, um, excuse me, age of apologizing for America, right? When
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  you did that world apology tour when he was first elected. And, you know, American exceptionalism
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  is something that is seen around the world as something to strive for. You know, there's a reason
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  why people try and get into America and it's not as if we're seeing this, this flow of people
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  trying to leave America. I mean, even though Hollywood celebrities always say they will when a
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  Republican is going to win, right? They never do. So there really is no better place. And
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  you've been poor bad is because we do recognize that government in its proper role is a servant and
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  it's supposed to be a humble servant to the people. And really, there is no other nation in the
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  world that recognizes God as the giftor of rights and liberty. That is something that is uniquely
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  American and it is the foundation of our exceptionalism. Well, by the people and for the people,
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  right? You said something very important. The government and in the description of your book,
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  it says something very concerning and I agree with this. America has been turning into a country
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  where the government grants rights and privileges to only those the government deems worthy. So
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  they're taking the place of God, right? And takes rights from those it deems unworthy. This is not
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  how the founding fathers envisioned the nation. How big of a problem is the lack of ignorance when
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  it comes to true American history and what they're not being taught in the government run schools.
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  What do you think, Cheryl? Well, it's a huge problem and you can see how it manifests just over
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  the last few years. Take the phrase Christian nationalist, right? And how that very benign phrase,
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  something that should be welcomed and embraced. You know, if you call me a Christian nationalist,
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  I'll say, yeah, I am because actually we're also supposed to be, right? I mean, I feel and
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  but turn that into a negative as if it's automatically something to run from. That just shows the
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  level of ignorance that we've seen over the last few years, over the last couple decades and it's
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  in due partly because people are turning from God. The churches are having trouble remaining
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  relevant in modern day, but we're also seeing the school systems and their failures to teach proper
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  history and civics latins and the beauty of the constitution. Okay, so the book friends is on
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  Amazon God given or bust back to your podcast for a minute and one of the things you recently are
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  your sub stack. One of the things you recently talked about is DEI and as most of us understand
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  that stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. DEI finally frying in the fires of American
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  exceptionalism. I love it. And then there's a little underneath deer Marxists. You can go home now.
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  Yes. I mean, I think a lot of people are just cheering this kind of rhetoric now, Cheryl,
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  because as you said, they did overplay their hand. But let's talk about how deeply entrenched
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  DEI is and it's not going to go away with one executive order. Unfortunately, although the
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  administration can do some work in government, but there's definitely a cash cow. I've got an
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  article here where it says spending on DEI related efforts across the globe totaled 7.5 billion
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  in 2020. And that obviously increased and the Biden administration was pushing it, I think,
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  at every level, including the military. A DEI principles were attached to more than 1 billion
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  in federal contracts last year. So Cheryl, I love the direction. I love the boldness. I love the
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  executive orders. But I think people need to be continually reminded that there's a lot of damage
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  that has already been done and a lot of uprooting that needs to take place, right?
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  Yeah, because the executive orders can address the policy and the executive orders
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  by addressing the policy can then impact the funding. But what the executive orders don't address
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  really is the mindset shift that's taken place in America over the last few years
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  that allowed DEI to take root and spread as rapidly and as expansively as it has.
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  So until we address that, which requires a sort of reeducation of what America is all about,
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  a sort of reawakening to the idea of God-given rights and liberties, until that can take place.
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  And then DEI is always going to be sort of haunting in the background, right? Just waiting for
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  the right political win to usher it back in again. So we've got four years of Donald Trump,
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  but what next? Maybe JD Vance. Okay, so then four years of him, but what after what next, right?
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  Sooner or later, Democrats will be back in charge and they will be reenergized to reintroduce
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  all these Marxist policies that have been put to the side right now.
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  And I like what you said, it's like America is becoming America again.
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  But it's going to take time because this was so deeply entrenched. Look at our college campuses.
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  And by the way, let's just go out to LA and talk about the fires. If there's a fire in my
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  neighborhood or close to my home, I don't care if you're gay, I don't care if you're black, I don't
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  care if you're Hispanic or white, I want the best qualified firefighter or emergency worker
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  to handle that. But DEI just took us in a different direction. Obviously, there wasn't merit-based
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  and the president spoke to that. I think he even mentioned that in his inauguration.
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  So Cheryl, I think we've gotten away from, and that's just common sense.
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  You want the best qualified person to do the job, whether it's the fire department or the police
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  or the military, right? You're right, it is common sense, right? And it's astonishing on one level
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  to see that there are still people who support the Democrat leadership out there in California.
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  And they think that it's climate change or they think that Trump somehow had some sort of
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  influence in bringing about these fires from his previous administration. And so this is where
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  the spiritual battle takes place though, right? A deception that has seeped into many in the
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  political realm. It just seems to me like they're a little bit top-heavy on the Democrat side with
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  deception. But you know, there are people in the Republican Party too are equally deceived.
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  But this is why the battle is always about one of principalities, right? We always
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  go for the hearts and minds. And the spiritual direction, the moral compass of individuals,
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  and keep that as really in mind as the final war. And all these other things we fight just
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  battles along the war over principalities. And it's very real. Powers, principalities,
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  forces of darkness, that spiritual dimension that we don't often, and we know it's happening
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  behind the scenes. But when you see some of these demonic agendas, I think that's to me that's
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  just evidence of this intense spiritual battle. So let's camp out right here just for the last
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  couple minutes, Cheryl, and the importance of the church not only being informed believers in
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  Christ, not only understanding what's happening, but now how can we respond? You said something
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  very important. Let's not put Trump up on a pedestal as far as he's the only one that can
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  sign an executive order and fight this battle. We've got to fight these battles,
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  fighting the good fight of faith every day in whatever sphere of influence we have. Go ahead.
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  Well, let me answer that by saying something that kind of irks me every time a political
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  battle comes around. We hear from the church, you know, they talk about that passage.
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  If my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and so forth and I will heal
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  their nation. Well, Christians are very good about praying, but it's the repentance part, right?
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  It's the turning away from the sin that we seem to fall on and churches in particular.
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  Don't like to preach on that part, right? They don't like to talk about sin and repentance because
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  they think it's sort of dirty words that will turn away their congregations. Well,
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  that's kind of key, right? I mean, we can pray all day long. You know, God do things, God do that,
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  but unless we're willing to make the decisive action and steps to turn from our sin,
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  why would God bless us? And so when we look at like gay marriage, which isn't a thing, right?
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  First off, calling it gay marriage isn't a thing because God defines marriage. So you have to
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  call it something else if you want to be truthful, but allowing that to go forth without protesting,
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  without, you know, sort of throwing in the white flag and saying, well, it's a done deal. What am I
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  supposed to do now? That's not really showing repentance, right? So it's steps like that we can take
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  to show God. We really do want Him back in charge and we're willing to make those uncomfortable,
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  maybe even divisive types of arguments and battles on His behalf.
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