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Ep. 118. Interview with the creators of Barricade Brigade #0! · Vigilante Vibes Podcast

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Host all the comic fans, Marvel geeks, and all the nerds in
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between. Welcome to another episode of
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the Vigilante Vibes podcast where we talk all things Marvel
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along with the other fandoms, but without the toxicity that's
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taken up way too much space in each and every fandom.
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I'm your host. Meg, Nicole and I have two very
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special guests joining me. I have Chris the legendary long
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box punk and his partner in crime in this comic creating
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world. Chris the punk rocker and comic
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book artist. Thanks for having us, Megan.
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I'm stoked. Yeah.
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Thanks for having us. I've talked to Long Box punk,
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Chris many, many times, but Chris, I've never actually, we
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never actually interacted other than online.
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This is crazy, Yeah. So why don't you tell me about
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both of you? We'll start with you, long box
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punk Chris. I.
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I'm never one that's short for words.
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So I I've been hosting Log Box Punk for over a year now,
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talking to indie creators. And honestly, I started it to
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learn how to make comics so that eventually, at some point in the
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far distant future, I would be able to make my own comics.
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And that happened a lot faster than I expected when Chris
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reached out to me and was like, hey, I'm trying to put myself
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out there more. I want to get more involved with
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making comics. I do art.
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You've talked about having ideas.
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You want to make a comic. And I was like, word vomit, word
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vomit, word vomit. Absolutely.
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And that was November 3rd. I looked it up because I had to
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put in a birth date for our new e-mail, so I was.
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Like oh nice. November 3rd of last year.
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Sweet. So we've been talking, we've
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done several face times at this point.
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We've got shared documents, we've got long text threads, we
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have social media, long message threads as well.
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And we've been creating several actually comics since then.
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But we're finally in a spot where we're ready to be
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launching our very first like the flagship title, as it were.
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It's called Barricade Brigade and it's we're launching an
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ashcan first. So Issue 0 launches on
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Kickstarter June 4th. It's going to run for 30 days.
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And it's it's about a punk rock band that tries to defend their
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home turf and their music venue from the big corporate villains
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that are trying to buy it and change it into a parking lot.
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But in defending their turf, they realize that they may have
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bitten off more than they could handle or more than they
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expected. So we're we're keeping some
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stuff under wraps that we haven't told anybody about
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because we don't want to be the trailers.
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They give away everything so. You.
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Just have to back. It to to find out so.
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Yeah, well. Moving on to Chris with AK,
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let's hear about you. Well I've been.
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I started drawing as a little bitty kid and for the longest
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time was not drawing. I've been.
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I found, honestly I found comics maybe like 3 years before I
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found punk rock and those two worlds overlapped.
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Then I had a long gap with no comics and wanted back in and
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finally just jumped in and spent hours with my wife in the
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parking lot, unfortunately at my local comic shop.
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And yeah, so that was the start of me getting back into it.
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And drawing is something that came back to me post a back
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injury and has really kind of given me a second wind on
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expressing myself that. Sucks about the back injury but
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I love that you've thrown yourself into it and you
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couldn't have picked a picked a better partner than Chris like
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this is a match made in heaven. Yeah, I mean, I I can remember
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his name every time too. I won't lie, all day I was like,
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how am I going to talk to two Chris's?
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How is that going to work? And we're just going to see what
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happens because now it's chaotic and I like it.
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Yeah. So where did the inspiration
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come from for your comic book? Like what?
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The idea of it? Do you want that, Kay, or you
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want me to take? It honestly, I think I think it
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was kind of that that both of us are punk rockers and have been
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in that scene for so long and have, you know, you, you, you
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end up with he's seeing the tropes of like the man's taking
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us down and and that, but like you could really take that
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somewhere. And that's really kind of where
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it started when we were trying to figure out what kind of toys
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we wanted to build to play with I.
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Like, yeah, it it definitely came from a like, OK, well,
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we're both, you know, aging punks at this point.
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We like, it needs to be something about punks that are
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taking a stand against a big corporation because they're the
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villains in every scenario. And if I learn nothing else from
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scooby-doo, it's that humans are the monsters.
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And so we, you know, we kind of took that idea and then it, it,
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we started, that was the starting point.
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And then it just started like, oh, I, what if, what if we did
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this? What if the band did that?
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What if we had? And you know, slowly but surely
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we were writing all these things down.
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And then it just kind of was like, I think we have enough
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that we can distill a story here.
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And so we took the notes that we had put together and I started
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scripting stuff. And you know, it, it was very,
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it wasn't like, oh, I'm going to sit in a vacuum and write and
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then I'm going to send it to him and then he's going to draw
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everything in a vacuum and then we're going to have a comic.
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It was very much like, OK, so here's where I'm at.
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What do you think? Like how, what if we did this?
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How is this right? Is that too much?
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Here's. And so it's very much like we're
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not doing a writer artist in the credits, we're just doing Co
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creators because it's as much like there's there's no way to
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delineate where what I started or what he started or he
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finished or I like there's no way to tell.
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It's just a big smashed like it's both of us in a comic.
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And it's a bit like for my first experience, I couldn't have
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asked for a better collaborator. And we've definitely got more
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plans for more books going forward together because it's
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been so much fun. Oh, that's so nice.
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I love that Co creators. I I'm excited to read it because
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I want to read it and be like, oh, there's Chris with the CI
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see his personality bleeding through in this area.
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I love that so much. So you said you have more books
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prepared. Are you saying you have more
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books of this series, or you're already having other ideas
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circulate in your head for other books?
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Yes, OK. That's hilarious.
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That's how I wanted to answer that.
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That, that is, that is the answer.
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Yeah, we this is the story that in the world that we've spent
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the most time on 'cause I think we both wanted to start with a
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very loud DIY punk mindset and voice in comics 1st.
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And then like we've talked about other spin off stories, we
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worked on a short that I submitted to an anthology that
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didn't happen, but there might be something there that we turn
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into eventually. And so it's like this was
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definitely the first and we were very intentional with just
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because it's the ash can. We don't want this to be like a,
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well, here's the 1st 8 pages of a story.
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You know, come back when we're ready to launch issue 1 and find
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out what happens. Like it's a self-contained story
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and it but it also introduces you to like who the band is,
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what they're about, what's the larger story that's going to be
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happening as this one unfolds. So we've definitely got, I think
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I was already thinking of like the second chapter that we're
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going to be doing the other night as I was working on the
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Kickstarter page for the ashcan because I was like, oh, OK, so
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once we hit this thing, then we're going to go into that
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thing and that could lead us down to the road and we could do
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this. And then I was like, wait a
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second, Chris, check this out. This is what I just thought of.
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And he was like, yeah, no, that's can we do the ashcan
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though, Just slow down. So that's that's where we're at.
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So Chris with AK, he already has so many ideas circulating in his
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little punk head right there. Would you want to see it all in
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one universe, or would you like it to see in different things
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completely not related to each other at all?
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Oh, when it comes to this band, I'm I think we keep it all with
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on within one universe, but we've got so many stories that
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are not even connected that we've back and forth on already
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that there's God, I hate to say it, a multiverse out there
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between us. How marvel of you.
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I know, right? Yeah.
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And I just. Want to point out I'm wearing a
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Magneto hat. I have my scroll invasion
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shirts. I was like, I got to go all
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marvel. And I'm going to be.
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Showing on this show so purely for you.
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Megan. Thank you.
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It always cracks me up when someone comes on the show and
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they're like, I wore Marvel for you and I looked down.
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I'm like, I'm wearing my gym shirt.
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I'm sorry. So I.
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Tried to make it an effort today because I was like, this is a
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big episode. This is, I've been looking
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forward to this for at least six days since you reached out.
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So besides the comics you've already created, do you have any
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other ideas that you ever want to explore?
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Like would you ever do like a podcast that kind of acts out
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the characters in your in your book or like a certain line of
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merch like guitar picks or something?
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That's. Funny you mentioned guitar
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picks, Chris. Tell her.
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Tell her about the guitar picks. Yeah, we've actually been
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looking at doing custom picks already, and I also build guitar
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pedals. So for our next launch, we're
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talking about doing a custom guitar pedal.
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Do you just do everything? He's making a comic.
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He's just sitting there like so debonair.
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He does not not a care in the world.
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He's like I also build guitars on the side.
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It's. Whatever I do, my phone is
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actually propped on my first guitar that I've built.
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I built my amp. I've built pretty much all the
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pedals that I have on my pedal board.
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Like, yeah, I do. I do a lot of things.
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I see. That you really are like a punk
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rocker to your bones. Yeah.
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I love that so much. Very.
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DIY. Yeah.
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It's funny, like when we for after like the first two months
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that we were collaborating and texting a lot and stuff like
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that, he sent me something like, oh, I saw this on Instagram
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today, Check this out. And I was like, yeah, I saw that
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on Instagram today too. And he was like, does this
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script thing for the same person because we're both named Chris
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and we're both punk rock centric.
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And I was like, dude, I don't know.
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But like, did you dig that ad? He was like, yeah, dude, I think
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it's really cool. He was like weird too.
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And now we just like have this running joke where it even
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happened earlier where we were texting.
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I don't even remember what we were texting, but you said like
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word for word. What?
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Like we were texting at the same time and sent them very like
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simultaneously and it was word for word the exact same thing.
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And it was like, Yep, same brain.
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OK. It's a crisp thing we just us
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normies wouldn't understand. By.
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So sorry. That's fine, it's fine.
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It's hard seeing people live out your dreams but it's OK.
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So do you 2 live anywhere near each other?
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No. No, it's how it always goes.
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Yeah, I'm in Oklahoma. We're both.
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In the. States, yeah, we're both in the
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states. I I'm in Oklahoma and other
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Chris's in Ohio. So we got O states at least.
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Right, got 2 Chris's 2O states. Same brain, both glasses.
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Yeah. We're going to have to plan a
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meet with each other so you can go to cons for the comic book at
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some point. Right.
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Yeah. I I have already said to my
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wife, I was like, listen, when we launched the first full
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chapter, like I need to make it down to Oklahoma and like hit
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some, hit a con there. You know, go down to like Dallas
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or Fort Worth or somewhere in the massive gigantic state of
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Texas and like hit a con down there because it feels like
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Texas always has a convention happening.
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Yeah. And yeah, I'm like, I've already
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planted that seed of like I'm going to be making a trip
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because the first full chapter, like that's the other thing that
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we're doing that's kind of unique is we're not doing
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individual floppies for the next iteration of the like the first
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arc or whatever. We're just doing oneself
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contained, like square perfect bound graphic novel release.
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So it'll be like, we don't have a page count, but it'll at least
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be like 60 pages and it'll just be another full self-contained
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story so that you can like anybody can come in at any point
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for any of our future stories or campaigns and they can back it.
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And they don't have to worry about the like oh back the
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backup tier for our 4th chapter and buy all four chapters and
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the AFCAN for $900 like. No where.
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You can come into any point and pick it up at any time and fully
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understand what's going on with the story.
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It would help if you jump in early, but you know, yeah, that
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and it's all like very much by design.
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We're keeping the goal super low.
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Like we set the goal like 600 bucks because I I had the
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awkward text at like 1131 night of hey, I don't plan on making
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money with this. Are are are we same brain right
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now? And he was like, oh, yeah, no,
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totally. Yeah, we're just making the book
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because I want to hold the book in my hands.
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I was like, OK, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same,
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same. See, I think that's super
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healthy though, because everyone, not everyone, but most
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people get into the comic book creating business and they're
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like, I'm going to be famous, I'm going to be rich.
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I'm making all these comics. And it's like once you start to
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try to monetize and that's your goal, I feel like you do lose
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some of the passion for what you're doing.
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It's like with podcasting, I don't think I'm ever going to
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make money. I'm just doing because I like
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it. But there are people who only do
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it to make money. And it's like you're just kind
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of sucking your soul away with that.
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Yeah. Yeah, you're chasing a goal that
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is really never going to happen. So set a realistic goal, have
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fun every episode. Got it.
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OK, I can do that. Yeah, and how many people can
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say that they created a comic book?
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Do you know how crazy that is? Yeah.
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Yeah, you. Did it?
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You started November. Like what is going on?
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It's not even June. I brought props, so the first
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time that I got this is our main cover that Chris did.
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This is his pencil version. I'm going to be inking this on
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my Instagram live because I'm doing a punk ified version
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that'll look kind of like this. Quick little glance but I first
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time that like my wife printed this out at her job and brought
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it home because the library can't print that large
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apparently in either Confedex or UPS store whatever.
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Not that I'm salty. They gave me a half sheet and I
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was like it does sound 11 by 17 but.
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That's where I would go is no, no, never mind, never mind.
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Whatever. Yeah, Yeah.
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Yeah, don't go to the place that says they print I.
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Sent it to my wife and she printed it out at work and
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brought it home. But like, seeing her carrying
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this in and then having this like, in my hands and like,
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these, these characters came out of my brain.
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Like, that's insane. And I just like every step,
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every time he sends me a new panel or a new page of pencils
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and then inks and then colored and then full and done.
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And it's like, this is the coolest freaking thing I've ever
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done. And it just like, you can't, you
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can't describe that feeling to someone that's not, like,
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creative by nature because they're like, yeah, cool, you
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made a thing. Yeah.
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Exactly. They're like, oh, you drew a
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picture and you're. Like, no you don't.
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Get it? Right.
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But yeah, it's, it's been really, really awesome.
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Just like having all this stuff come together and seeing it.
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And even as we were writing it, I was like, yeah, we're writing
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a comic. And then it was like, Oh my God,
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we're writing a cut, dude. We're making a cut.
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Like regularly we'll have just brief freak out sessions of like
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sending just hype overload gifts back and forth.
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Like we're doing that there. So it's.
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It's it's exciting stuff. I love it.
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It's really exciting because when I first met you, you were
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reading comics. You're all about comics now.
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You are the comics. You are the ones creating it
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like you're in the industry now. That's congratulations to both
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of you. Thanks.
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Yeah, I don't think I'm. Not getting chills over here.
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Yeah, it's not weird to hear other people say these things at
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all. Totally normal.
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This is our life now. Yeah, yeah, you're kind of a big
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deal now, so you might as well get used to it.
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I. Don't know about all that I'd
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say. So this, this is exciting.
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This is amazing. Even if it goes absolutely
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nowhere and it's just for you guys, you still made something.
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That's right. How many people can say that?
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And you did it with someone you genuinely like.
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So you made a great friendship on the way.
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And it's like your passion has always been comics.
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So you're going as far as you can in that passion, in that
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field. So you're achieving something.
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Even if no one in the world is interested, you still achieve
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something. Hang my hat on that.
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Yeah, yeah. It's almost like the journey is
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the more important thing than the destination.
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That's. It's all about the friends we
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met along the way. Yeah.
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I think that's the quote. I don't know, actually, I don't
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know what that's from. I just say it sometimes.
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Insert a deep quote here from me.
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And I'm. Like, yeah.
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Oh my gosh. So did you guys, have you guys
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always wanted to make comics or did it just happen?
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Was it just like, you know, why not?
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We have everything going on you want.
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This one first you want. Me to take it honestly yeah I I
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I I remember drawing my honestly my first comics were probably
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drawn on my paper bag book covers like in middle school
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like I had these dumb little characters that I would make up
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and I would I would just change my book covers so I could draw
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new things that they were doing it was so it's been a long time
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that's I I don't want to talk about how many decades that is
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but it's been. A few.
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It has to at least have been two.
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I mean, you're only like 28. So I mean, let's not brag here.
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Yes, I'll, I'll go with that. What about you Chris with?
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ACII don't know that I always wanted to make them like I
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because it never even occurred to me that I could like I, you
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know, as a kid it was just like, Oh yeah, these are things that
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like professionals make and you know, I, I just enjoy them and
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so I'll buy them and read them. And so it never, like, it
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genuinely never occurred to me that I could make comics until
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the last 10 years when I really started.
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Like I was reading the big two and I was just like that I'm
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going to go to like Valiant and Image because I loved those as a
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kid. And so I was reading those.
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And at first I was like, yeah, I read indie comics.
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I'm like, no, those are, those are still like big companies
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that are doing things. Valiant doesn't always make
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great decisions, but I still love them.
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It's like when you read Image, you're like, I'm just so street
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level cool. I read Indies and you guys would
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are just not on my level. Stick to Marvel and you're like,
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it's it's Image though. It's like the most marvelly DC
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yeah, indie comic place ever. So you calm down.
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Yeah, yeah. Listen, Bat bro, I read the
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Indies and he's like, you're reading image.
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Like seriously, the guys that started that used to work at DC.
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And most of them, most of the writers do like.
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Yeah, yeah. So yeah, Kyle Higgins, Big
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Batman. It's, it's just been like as
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I've gotten more into indie comics and like further from
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even Image and and Valiant and Dark Horse and Boom and getting
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into smaller publishers and smaller publishers.
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And then like a guy that I went to college, he's an editor for
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one of those small publishers. And it was just like, hang on,
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if he's working, I went to, I sat next to him in like Psych
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101. What?
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And he's making comics. Why can't I?
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And then suddenly it was like, OK, at some point I want to make
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comics. Yeah, OK.
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And then, you know, I started doing 1 box punk and it was just
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like talking all these creators that were doing it in the true
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indie scene. And it was like, oh, I can, I'm
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taking myself to school. Like I'm just learning from
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people that have done it how they did it.
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So I need to take notes. And so I've been taking notes
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and learning as much as I can and building those
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relationships. And as I've been putting this
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page, the Kickstarter together, I'm still like, OK, I have no
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idea how this works. What is this thing talking
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about? Like I'm still trying to figure
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out shipping and it's this big scary monster because I haven't
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figured it out yet. But you know, I've got messages
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out to people to to learn. But yeah, it's it's it was never
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a thing. And then once I figured out that
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it could be a thing, suddenly I was like, I need to chase that
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down and do everything I can because I'm a I'm an all or
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nothing faucet person. And like, you could have the
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faucet all the way on for me. And so once it was like, I want
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to make comics, it was all the way on.
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And my wife every night is like you talking to Oklahoma like.
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Yeah. She's like, do you guys ever
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sleep? No.
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No, not really. No, It's kind of a problem,
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yeah. Yeah, it was up till like 2:00
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AM last night working on the page and working on like a flyer
23:42
that we want to put out. It was just.
23:44
Like which looks super sick by the way.
23:47
I mean, I'm still, I don't have a safe version to show it off to
23:49
you, Megan, but I'll send it to you after you're on it actually.
23:53
So Yep. What?
23:56
Yeah, my gosh. Yeah, this is an achievement for
23:58
me. In true punk fashion, we're
24:02
taking Barricade Brigade on tour and so we're hitting, you know,
24:06
all the podcasts that we're doing, we're doing the date that
24:08
it's publishing and the podcast that we're appearing on.
24:11
And I got hyper focused last night and spent three hours
24:16
building this single graphic and then my computer crashed and I
24:19
lost all of it. And I.
24:21
Rebuilt. Oh my God, this morning set the
24:22
house on fire. At that point, I'm out.
24:24
I I did. I was just like, fine, slam, I'm
24:28
going to bed. I love that you said that you
24:33
were going on tour because that's really that's what you
24:36
do. You collaborate, you get the
24:38
name out there. And plus like this sounds
24:40
really, really cool. Like more people should know
24:42
about it. But I'm excited to see the flyer
24:45
That did happen. We did get a fire.
24:48
OK, OK. Did happen, yeah.
24:49
I, I, before I did anything, once I got it to where I was
24:53
happy with it this morning, I immediately downloaded it and
24:57
sent it off. Because usually I like to create
24:58
something and I'll take a step away and do something else for a
25:02
cat pilot palate cleanser and then come back to it.
25:06
And usually I find something else and I'm like, yeah, I
25:08
should change that. And so I had done that.
25:11
And when I came back to it, it was like error loading images
25:14
and it like completely, it saved like 2 items of the like 14 that
25:19
I had in it. And I, that's where I was like,
25:22
I'm not doing all that again. I'm Nope, it's too late.
25:26
Sometimes when my computer starts to do that, I'll
25:28
screenshot it with my computer just just in case.
25:33
I've lost so many things, I've almost committed felonies over
25:37
it. But that's neither here nor
25:39
there, so. Plight of creators.
25:42
So I mean, you know, some people do drugs and stuff, you know,
25:46
we're just, we're just trying to make Flyers and stuff.
25:48
It's fine. YouTube thumbnails.
25:51
So what do you think has been the most challenging part of it?
25:55
And I will start with you, Kris with AK.
25:57
Oh. You didn't get, you don't get
26:00
out of these questions. I know, I know.
26:02
Chris does a lot of talking, but we want to hear you too.
26:06
That's that's understandable. Honestly, I think for me, the
26:12
hardest part was figuring out like, like these are our toys,
26:20
the band is our toys. What's the sandbox that they're
26:24
in and how comfortable am I with sharing my thoughts on that
26:29
sandbox while we're learning how to play together?
26:33
So it was really the very beginning.
26:35
Once we got past that hump, it's been very comfortable.
26:39
Wow. OK, so it's diving in and trying
26:44
to look around to see which way to go using.
26:46
What tools? Yes.
26:49
What about you Chris with AC? Copy paste it, figuring out it
26:57
it honestly, I guess I can change it to like the logistics
27:02
of making comics. Like there's you hear about.
27:06
Oh yeah, there's a writer and artist and a letter and editor
27:10
sometimes and and color flatter all these things that make a
27:14
comic. When there's two people doing
27:17
it, it's like, oh, we're doing everything.
27:20
And then it's like, we can't just make it like we got to
27:24
figure out we got to find a vendor to print and we got to
27:27
find someone that can do printing that's like cost
27:32
effective, that's also here in the States to avoid the overseas
27:36
costs. And like then suddenly, yeah, I
27:40
have to put my corporate hat on because I do work at a bank and
27:45
like I have to put that hat on to think like, OK, how
27:50
logistically, like what's the ROI here?
27:52
Like how much can we spend without like completely losing
27:56
ourselves, but also being able to recoup that money?
27:59
Like what's the price point? Because we want to keep things
28:02
cheap because we're broke punks. Like no one has money except
28:06
like we're buying groceries, right?
28:08
Like who can afford a $15 comic when eggs are $17.00?
28:13
Like no priority. So we wanted to be intentional
28:17
with all of that. But it's it's the logistics of
28:20
figuring all that stuff out. And because Kris with AK is
28:26
doing all of the artwork and the lettering and the coloring, I'm
28:31
like, well, I wrote the thing, So what else do I do?
28:34
And so I'm doing all the logistics stuff, which honestly,
28:38
like is it our, our different skill sets balance each other
28:42
really well Because I love figuring out logistics stuff and
28:47
doing the reaching out for podcast appearances and setting
28:51
up the Kickstarter and do it like 'cause I my broadcast, my
28:55
degrees in broadcasting. So like, I've done the promo
28:58
stuff for big radio stations, for bands, for concerts.
29:02
I've put those together like I've done all of this stuff
29:05
already. So for me, it's like, oh, yeah,
29:07
OK, I can just pick that hat back up and put it right back on
29:10
and it's no big deal. And then he can focus fully on
29:13
doing the artwork and making the pages look way better than I
29:17
ever could have tried to intend them when I wrote the script.
29:20
And like it, it works out really well.
29:23
But the logistics and like figuring out the stuff like it
29:27
has to be printed in in, you know, iterations of four.
29:31
So like, OK, well, how do we get to an even page count that can
29:36
be printed? And how do we fill the other
29:38
page? Like things like that that you
29:40
just never would think of. Suddenly we're thinking about
29:43
all the time and. Yeah, I've never would have
29:46
thought about that. Yeah.
29:47
Oh my gosh. I'm never making a comic.
29:50
This sounds exhausting. It definitely is a labor of love
29:56
and it's I'm. Sure.
29:57
It's a reoccurring theme with a lot of any creators.
30:00
Like, yeah, I'm burning the midnight oil doing this.
30:03
But like, this is what it feels like to be energized by work is
30:08
making this comic. And I think I texted you last
30:12
night or two nights ago. Like how how do people feel this
30:16
way about their regular jobs? Like, there's no way.
30:20
Yeah, not, not possible. Not possible.
30:24
Yeah, my husband feels that way about his regular job, like he's
30:28
a plumber. So he whenever we go to like a
30:31
Lowe's or something, he's like, this is so fun.
30:34
I'm like, look at that huge. Joint babe, look at that.
30:39
So he's like a master plumber. So he does all the big things
30:42
like be piping houses and like huge, huge water heaters, all
30:45
that. And he's like, it's like a big
30:47
puzzle. I'm like, you're you call me a
30:49
nerd. Like, calm down.
30:51
I can relate to him. My day job is an I'm an engineer
30:57
for the gas company. So essentially I work with
31:00
plumbers all the time. And it is, it's like a puzzle.
31:03
It's like Legos. It's super easy to nerd out on.
31:08
Your husband likes playing with Legos.
31:09
That's what he likes. He likes the tools, too.
31:13
He's a, he's like, you know, we'll just be driving.
31:16
He's like, you know, Milwaukee really is the best tool brand.
31:19
I'm like, just just shut the fuck up.
31:20
I'm not doing this today. You know, it's really thinking
31:25
about it and I hope these tariffs don't impact the the
31:29
incoming German engineered tools because they're just, they're
31:33
just made differently, you know? Trying to, if I have to hear any
31:37
more of it. Like he's so involved that he
31:41
knows the Milwaukee salesman so well that when my kids were
31:45
born, one of them sent them all these baby clothes, Milwaukee on
31:49
it. And it said like it was a onesie
31:51
that was Milwaukee that said heavy duty on the butt.
31:53
And I was like, who are these people?
31:56
What is this? World that's fantastic.
31:58
Oh my God, it. Was like that's a whole world
32:02
that I just don't understand. But like, I guess that's the
32:05
passion I I've never felt that for like my past jobs, but like,
32:10
OK, so it's cool to see you guys still have that passion.
32:14
Even going through all of the stuff, the logistics, the
32:16
drawing, all of it sounds exhausting.
32:19
I have to be honest with you. So like I'm really excited for
32:21
you guys some. Of it is, but you know.
32:25
But if you're passionate about it, it's so worth it though.
32:28
Like. You're you're.
32:28
Like, like you said, a labor of love.
32:30
But for someone like me, I'm never writing a comic.
32:33
I will never do that. Not one part of me wants to.
32:37
That's exactly what I was thinking.
32:39
Can't say never in this industry.
32:41
I, I don't want to. All of my ideas are like just
32:47
no, no, no, world doesn't need to see it.
32:50
It's not OK, but. Is it like red band edition?
32:54
Are we talking Red Band Edition ideas?
32:56
Depends on the day. Like today, it would have been
32:58
really violent. I like to draw that stuff so.
33:02
Well, like yesterday it would have been like princesses and my
33:06
daughter's spinning in a circle singing Trolls soundtrack.
33:10
Tomorrow it'll probably be like me murdering someone again.
33:14
I don't know, but it's like I don't want.
33:17
To see comments where people get murdered.
33:19
So. You do like the indie stuff and
33:21
not just an image. So when you were talking about
33:29
the storyline of it, was there any tropes?
33:33
Any. We know the tropes, we all know
33:35
it, that we kind of roll our eyes at that.
33:37
You thought I don't want that, I do not like that.
33:45
Yes, I couldn't tell you what they are.
33:50
I do remember one of the face times that we did of like, we
33:55
can't fall into this. Like we we can't we we can't go
33:59
there. So what if we did this instead?
34:01
And then I was like, yeah, OK, all right.
34:03
And it was just a quick because I mean, we've both, we both have
34:08
years and years of reading comics.
34:11
And I don't want to just be making something else that's
34:15
going to be there that's like, Oh yeah, hey, cool.
34:18
Here's a whole box of the same Rob Layfield books from Image in
34:21
1993 like. That's not specific.
34:25
That's not at all. Like it's I don't so.
34:29
Now we know the trope, there's a layfield and I get it.
34:34
He annoys me too. Listen, we have feet on our
34:39
cover, OK? So look.
34:41
Look at all those feet. You got really already done.
34:44
Shoes, so we're not. Look, and I saw chest, it was
34:48
very, very disproportionate. It was very proportionate.
34:53
And it's like you're already doing better than some people.
34:57
Chris knows anatomy, so. Yeah, I don't.
35:00
I don't like the I loved the 90s X-Men, but pointy feet and God,
35:08
yeah, that was one of the big ones.
35:12
Yeah, pointy feet was not happening.
35:14
I could not know. And they're.
35:17
Coming back with it, they did it.
35:19
I read 1 today that was like come on, they look at ball or
35:22
ballet shoes, what are we doing? I don't like anime so when it
35:25
gets to anime I'm like Oh my God my fight or flight turns on and
35:29
got it. Guys, so no more.
35:33
Oh, that's funny. Yeah.
35:38
It's just so I get the pointy feet thing.
35:40
It's like. Yeah.
35:41
What are we doing? Yeah.
35:43
Yeah. That's a pretty easy one to just
35:45
be to stay away from. Yeah, I think the other one,
35:50
like I don't want to do the traditional hero's journey
35:55
because it's literally in everything.
35:59
Like, I wish I'd never learned about the hero's journey 'cause
36:01
now that's like, I'm a formula person.
36:04
And once I understand the formula, that's all I see.
36:07
And like, Oh yeah, you like this movie, check it out.
36:10
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, you suck.
36:14
And it's like, yeah, we can do the pieces in literally
36:17
anything. It's all there.
36:18
And so I don't, we don't want to, I don't want to do the that
36:23
trope, even though it's like fundamental storytelling.
36:27
I really am trying to not do that.
36:30
So I think we're trying to be more unconventional with the way
36:35
that we tell the story so that it doesn't feel the formulaic,
36:40
like, Oh yeah, here's the person and here's the conflict and
36:43
here's the challenge and here's the bad person and here's the
36:46
resolution. We're trying to keep the reader
36:50
on their toes by not following that thing to give hopefully a
36:55
comic that sparks interest and gets people talking.
36:58
Plus you can, I mean, you're starting from like in the middle
37:01
of their lives. Probably you're not, it's not
37:03
like an origin story. So you can work with so much
37:06
more when you do that. So I love that because I am sick
37:10
of the this is where I started. This is where Spider Man got his
37:12
powers. This is what happened to Uncle
37:14
Ben. You know, we all know we we get
37:16
it, we want new and it sounds like you guys are going to give
37:19
us exactly that. Yeah.
37:25
So if you could describe this comic in three words, both of
37:31
you, what would you use? And you can't use the word punk
37:37
or rock. Come.
37:38
On. Megan.
37:41
Hard level. Man, I was going to totally say
37:45
punk rock con. I know you were.
37:47
I know. You were Chris.
37:52
I was like, he's going to say it's punk rock.
37:54
Yeah, that's even better. It's punk rock.
37:57
Like, yeah, I was like, you got to set.
38:00
You got to set a limit for these guys.
38:01
It doesn't have to be a sentence or anything, just three words
38:07
that you think describe it well. Yeah, well, I'm an overachiever
38:10
and I want the three words to make sense together.
38:19
Chris with AK, are you an overachiever?
38:22
Go, go. To K, man, kind of.
38:24
Yeah, I think I'll I'll use loud as my first word Loud.
38:30
'S good. OK, yeah, that's good.
38:34
Yeah. Oh, can we mix and match words?
38:36
Can I make him go next? That sounds.
38:40
Fun. Then we get 6 words.
38:42
Yeah, he said. Loud, monstrous.
38:46
Loud monstrous. Back on you, bud.
38:51
Surprising. Surprising.
38:55
That's a good one. So loud monsters.
38:57
Surprising. Energetic.
39:01
Energetic, This is a fun game. I'm do this with everyone.
39:09
You're welcome. Yeah, glad to be a Guinea pig,
39:12
this. Worked out well.
39:18
Oh, oh, I could throw this in there and it will only make
39:21
sense to people to back it Historical.
39:24
Oh. Mine this is more because we've
39:32
done all the back story stuff but representational.
39:36
Oh. Yes.
39:37
So we have loud, monstrous, representational, historical.
39:43
Energetic. Energetic.
39:45
And what was yours, Chris with AK?
39:48
Oh God, I forgot. That's bad, I'm forgetting.
39:57
Surprising. Yes.
39:58
Yes, OK, we got all six. All right, That's nice.
40:01
So I 100% plan on reviewing this comic because I feel like I
40:07
deserve it. So I will be doing just that.
40:10
Snap, the same person that reviewed Phoenix.
40:13
This is not good. I just want you to know that I'm
40:16
like, published by Marvel. I know.
40:19
And I'm doing this for free. Kind of a big deal.
40:22
I have to do it for the loud, monstrous, energetic.
40:26
I'm not going through them all again.
40:27
I can't do it. I love it to me.
40:29
Surprising. Surprising none of us remember.
40:36
That's OK. I wrote mine down.
40:38
No, you didn't. Oh.
40:40
He's the note taking his note taker.
40:42
It's so sweet. I know how my memory is and it's
40:48
not great, so if I don't write it down I'll forget.
40:51
I will remember when I go to bed tonight, when I'm falling asleep
40:56
and I'll be like representational and that'll be
40:59
stuck there. That was it.
41:01
That was that was the one, Yeah. That was the one.
41:04
Yeah. So Speaking of, I'm going to
41:07
take that word because it's something that I want to talk
41:09
about is yes, please. When we were coming up with the
41:12
story, I was like, it's super important to me to have like my
41:18
family heritage. I've I've been doing a lot of
41:21
like whatever that word. Ancestry.com and all that.
41:26
That type of stuff, yeah. Genealogy.
41:29
Is that the word you're looking for?
41:30
That's it. Yeah, see, same brain.
41:34
I've been looking a lot at my family's genealogy and
41:37
genealogy. That's a 5 syllabler.
41:40
All right. Well, representation, Noel, Hey,
41:45
I beat you at six. I've been looking at my family's
41:50
genealogy because there's always kind of like a throwaway comment
41:54
of like, yeah, well, I have Native American in me, so like,
41:56
I don't burn in the summer, which is true.
41:58
I don't, but it was always like a throwaway thing.
42:02
And one of the creators that I had on Rafael Flores Junior who
42:06
wrote the return of commisots was like, yeah, you know, like
42:10
I've my ancestry and it was important for me to like
42:13
represent that heritage well. And it just like hit me of like,
42:18
shit. I'm not representing MyHeritage
42:20
well. And so I I wanted to learn more
42:23
about it. And Fast forward, I submitted
42:26
paperwork and application for like official tribal recognition
42:31
with the Abenaki tribe, which is where my great grandmother was
42:35
full blooded of. And so I was like, hey, I it's
42:40
important to me to have one of our characters be at least
42:44
Native American, if not like Abenaki specific.
42:48
And he was like, cool. And then so if you want to, I'll
42:52
pass the ball back to you if you want to talk about Mick.
42:57
Yeah, so Mick is one of the band members as well.
43:02
And me being Latino and having Mayan and Linka ancestry know,
43:10
knowing that literally my ancestors fought the Spanish.
43:15
They may have lost, but they fought to protect their lives.
43:19
Mick is also a Latino character. So we've literally put ourselves
43:26
in the book as friends in the band I.
43:34
Loved it and it was super intentional and like very much
43:38
like this needs to be front and center because like much to
43:43
Raphael's point, like I need to represent MyHeritage better than
43:47
I used to and just the like, oh, don't burn because Native
43:51
American. And it's like, Oh well, I was in
43:54
winter months. So like that's not even from the
43:57
Abenaki tribe like. It's like you want you want
43:59
people to know you're Native American, but you're not willing
44:01
to do the work to prove how Native American and how involved
44:04
in your culture you are. So you took those steps.
44:07
Yep, yeah. Took those steps, did a lot of
44:10
research, did a lot of digging and talking to my dad.
44:13
And he's talked to his cousin who's like 90, who still lives
44:18
in New Hampshire, where a lot of the Abenaki tribe is.
44:22
And there's like this big discourse.
44:23
I could go on at this point. Like I, I have learned all of
44:26
these things about the history of the the tribe, which are just
44:29
fascinating. And it's, it's been really neat
44:34
to learn just to be like, oh, this is like, this is where my
44:39
family, we traced our family tree.
44:41
And honestly, it was my uncle who did the majority of the
44:43
legwork, but he traced it all the way back to one of the
44:47
settlers that came over on the Mayflower.
44:49
Like, he went all the way back. And I can tell you exact, like
44:55
we're related to Ernest Hemingway, which is one of my
44:58
dad's favorite writers. And he was like, hell yeah, I'll
45:01
take that. Yeah.
45:01
We're. Running I.
45:03
Was like dad, he's like 8 rounds removed.
45:06
He was like I don't give a shit son.
45:09
All right, Dad, Cool. That's great.
45:12
I get it. We're related somehow to Abraham
45:15
Lincoln. And my mom tells like everyone
45:17
who's like who will listen. Well, you know, we are related
45:21
to Abraham Lincoln and I'm like, Mom, stop.
45:23
Most people are like the family got around like it's fine.
45:31
Good. I'd lie to you.
45:32
You know, one of my relatives is Abraham.
45:36
Got it. Mom.
45:37
Yeah, thanks. Yeah.
45:37
And it's just like that was it's such a big bag of badge of honor
45:40
from our parents. It's like, is that going to be
45:43
us? I hope not.
45:46
I'm going to make something up though like.
45:49
So like, you know, I'm published by Marvel.
45:54
I'm going to say that, but I'm also going to say I'm related to
45:56
Kevin Feige and Chris, Chris Claremont.
45:58
Like, I'm going to make it. There you go.
45:59
My kids are going to be like, what in the what?
46:03
But my family feuded with the Liefelds.
46:12
You. So you have though, been
46:14
published by Marvel like you're. You're I have are.
46:17
Printed in their comics. So and they don't tell you
46:21
they're going to do that. You don't surprise.
46:25
That's a very annoying surprise. Like I'm grateful, but if you're
46:29
OK, I'm not going to the comic book store and looking through
46:32
everyone you know. And I do comics every week for
46:37
them. So it's like, did you pull any
46:40
better ones though, 'cause I let me know like at least like I'll
46:44
like here on Facebook and let me know.
46:45
But whatever, it's fine. I guess it's fine.
46:51
Such, such, such a like, you're complaining.
46:56
Just calm down, relax. You're in Marvel.
47:00
OK, I I get it though. Like I one of I was asked for a
47:04
pull quote and provided it and it is printed on the back cover.
47:10
And when I got that book from the Kickstarter, I was like,
47:12
there's just the coolest. Like I've hit the.
47:14
Pinnacle. This is.
47:15
Yes, what else can I do? And then I started making my own
47:18
comics and so. So they reached out to you.
47:21
Ask him, yeah. So they reached out to you.
47:23
That's cool. Speaking of Kickstarter, I do
47:27
have a lot of people who watch this show that are just getting
47:30
into comics who don't understand Kickstarter.
47:33
Can you give them a brief breakdown of what it is just so
47:36
they can understand it a little bit?
47:39
She said briefs. OK, you got to take it.
47:42
Oh no, no, no, no, no. You're far more versed.
47:45
I'm still fighting for my e-mail address with them.
47:49
He's like, look, I just draw the feet like calm.
47:53
Down draw real good, it's a thing.
47:57
So OK, brief Kickstarter is It's a way that creatives can list
48:04
their projects and crowdfund so that they share their campaign.
48:10
Like if you go to Kickstarter and you type in Barricade
48:13
Brigade into their search bar, our comic will pull up and you
48:18
can hit the like back or pre. If it's still in pre launch, you
48:23
can get notified for when it launches.
48:26
And then you have a certain time frame that you as the creator
48:30
set up ahead of time. So we set ours for 30 days.
48:33
And so for 30 days we have a goal of funding of 600 bucks.
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So we're trying to raise $600.00, which is going to cover
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publishing costs, shipping materials, it's going to cover
48:48
the taxes, the Kickstarter fees. It's going to cover all that
48:51
stuff so that we don't have to spend $600.00 out of our pockets
48:55
because again, we're punks, we don't have money.
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So we're raising the money. And instead of like going into a
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comic shop and saying, oh, there's a Phoenix book, I'm
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going to buy this Phoenix book operator.
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Like you're going to Kickstarter and you're saying, I believe in
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what you're doing. Here's money.
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I hope this comes to fruition. And if enough people do that and
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we hit our goal, then when the campaign ends, we submit the
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order. Kickstarter takes like 2 weeks
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to release funds to the creators.
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And so then we get the money that we raised during our 30 day
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run. And then we use that money to
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pay for printing, pay for shipping supplies, pay for
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stickers, pay the taxes, pay the fees, do all that stuff.
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And then we get the books shipped to us.
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And we're DIY, so we're doing everything ourselves.
49:47
And so once we get the books, we're going to bag them, we're
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going to board them, we're going to line them with cardboard, and
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we're going to send them out the door to all of our backers.
49:55
And so usually, like fulfillment can vary.
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I've had some that are fulfilled where like I get the comic that
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I backed within like a month of the campaign closing.
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Some others take longer. Like there's one that I've
50:10
backed that it's been a year and a half and they're still like
50:16
finalizing some things on the book before they send it out.
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It just depends like that's it, depends on the creator.
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We were. That was another intentional
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thing of like, I want to have the book 90% done before we ever
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even talk about Kickstarter so that we're finishing everything
50:33
else up during the campaign so that as soon as it's done and we
50:37
get the money, we can say cool order and then it's just a
50:41
matter of waiting on the printer to send it to us.
50:43
So it's an easy way. And it's not just comics that
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are in Kickstarter. There's regular like pros books,
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there's tech gadgets, there's fancy like cable bags that you
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can get. There's all sorts of insane
50:56
stuff that like indie creators and smarter people than me are
51:00
making these wild little devices or whatever.
51:03
And so it it like they have it all broken out by genre.
51:07
You can search for like soonest ending, closest to funding, not
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yet funded, already funded. So you can really customize what
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you're searching for as you're just spending some time with it.
51:19
And honestly, I've walked a couple people through it.
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I'm more than happy to. So if anybody is curious about
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Kickstarter, like seriously, send me a message on Instagram
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long at long box punk. And I would be happy to set up a
51:30
call and walk you through it because that's that's the
51:33
lifeblood for indie creators. Like, that's how these people
51:36
are living their dreams of making things.
51:40
We just happen to be making comics because that's our dream.
51:43
And so, like, it takes that crowd to come together to say,
51:47
Yep, I believe in that. Here's some cash.
51:49
I'll take the book, please. And it takes a lot of those
51:53
people to hit goals. And then you also have a direct
51:57
communication line with creatives.
51:59
And I've seen some really cool stuff that creators are doing
52:01
with like the after campaign surveys, which is then where you
52:06
collect like the address or e-mail address if you want
52:09
digital or mailing address if you want physical.
52:13
I was drawn onto the back of a comic as like one of the
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rewards. That's super cool.
52:19
I have it there, so if Chris covers something, I can grab it
52:23
because it's right there. But there's a whole lot of stuff
52:27
that you can do with campaigns and like, because it's all
52:31
indie, we can do whatever we want.
52:33
So we're doing custom guitar picks.
52:35
We're doing like, I'm, I'm, I'm not an artist.
52:39
I'm doing my version of a cover that people can buy as like a
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variant cover of our book. And it's Chris's pencils with my
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like Sharpie marker punk ified flair that I call it, where I
52:54
just draw skulls on everything. That's really what.
52:56
It is. I like your flair.
52:57
I bought a shirt with it on it. I know, yeah.
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You have like a punk ified shirt that I did.
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Damn it. Should have worn it today.
53:04
I didn't think about it. Believable.
53:06
Unbelievable. You got to put the comic on a
53:12
shirt. You have to put the front page
53:15
on a shirt. I'll buy that so quick.
53:18
We have talked about doing like band merch, Yeah, for sort band,
53:23
it's called Hot Watermelon because.
53:27
That's cool. Admittedly, like it was the name
53:31
of a show, radio show I did in college that I just, I've always
53:34
loved that name. And so he was like, yeah, we'll
53:37
do a band and whatever. And I was like, I'm just gonna
53:39
go with it. We'll see what happen.
53:41
And like all the names that I wrote down, he was like, God,
53:44
no, that's totally great. And it everything worked out.
53:48
The Roadies name is five, like the number 5 you know, and it's
53:53
Sarah is the bassist slash singer and then Tolba is the
53:59
Abenaki drummer and that which is Abenaki for turtle because he
54:03
has a turtle tattoo. And then Mick is the guitarist
54:06
and other like front lead man vocalist.
54:10
So that's our crew or band of hot watermelon.
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Talk about something and I'll get that cover.
54:18
That's so cool. I like that a lot.
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It's so hot. Watermelon.
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Have you ever had hot watermelon?
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In the summer, yeah. Yeah, me too.
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It's not a bad, it's not a bad time.
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No. Oh, you did get it.
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There I am. Oh.
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That's so cool. We're all flicking off the
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camera. This is a book from Jeff
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Schiller. Shout out to Jeff.
54:44
It's called the Public Defender. Another guy that I had on my
54:46
show, Gerald von Stoddard, did this cover art.
54:49
But then, yeah, all of these people back here paid a little
54:53
bit extra so that they could all be on the cover.
54:56
And so there's a couple faces on here that I know some had like
55:00
their original character, like somewhere is, Yep, there's
55:02
pistol shrimp where it's like a Western about a shrimp, you
55:09
know? And it's.
55:10
So some had their characters and some had their people.
55:13
And I just sent in a picture. And that's not the first time
55:17
that I've been drawn into a comic because I'm like, yeah, I
55:19
want to be in a comic. Let's go.
55:20
It doesn't. That's so personable.
55:24
I love that. Yeah.
55:26
So as we wrap up, what are a few thoughts you want to say about
55:31
your comic? I'll let it got so quiet.
55:36
I'll I'll let Kay have the last word.
55:39
Amaze. I'm on a roll.
55:41
And. I I know that he needs more time
55:43
to come up with words than I do. I just start talking and figure
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out. What I'm?
55:48
Saying I if you like punk rock, like if at all the DIY mindsets,
55:55
if you've ever been to a small local show or Battle of the
55:58
Bands, if you've been in the crowd at a bar where your shoes
56:02
are sticking to the floor, that's our comic.
56:06
Like that's where it starts. And that energy that you can't
56:10
really describe, that you feel when you're at a local show and
56:13
everybody's sweating and everything stinks and you're
56:16
bumping into each other and you all have crushed cans of PBR in
56:19
your hands because that's all you can afford.
56:22
That's our comic. And like, perfect.
56:25
It's we targeted corporate people because corporations are
56:31
trying to wipe out that smaller everything.
56:35
Small venues, small bands, small businesses.
56:38
And so we're really leaning into that.
56:40
And so there's definitely like our ideologies that are in the
56:45
book, but it's also just a fun book.
56:48
Like it's, it's, I don't want it to be overly political because I
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don't like talking about politics.
56:54
And so it's not it's it's just a punk band that's going on tour
56:59
and they realize that they're part of something much bigger
57:02
than just going on tour by the end of it.
57:06
And that's our secret, super secret under wraps that we're
57:11
not telling anybody about. So you just have to back.
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It launches June 4th and it's super affordable.
57:17
It's super cheap. And it's like stupid how cheap
57:20
we're making everything because we're literally, we're like, we
57:23
might end up spending money to make this happen, but we just
57:27
want to make it happen. So that's that.
57:31
Those are my thoughts. That's.
57:33
Beautiful Chris with AK. You know, I'm going to, I'm
57:36
going to piggyback off that. And 1st off, I have to say this,
57:40
this is one place where we are not same brain.
57:42
I will gladly talk politics. I've had mall security circling
57:47
me with my very conservative brother-in-law going almost
57:53
physically toe to toe. But Chris is spot on.
58:00
This book is everything that punk rock should be distilled
58:05
into a more fun, palatable story that that hits at all these
58:13
ideologies that are just ingrained in US.
58:19
And because of that, I, I, I feel like it's like required for
58:24
me to say that this book is for everyone and punk rock is for
58:30
everyone unless you're not for everyone.
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And that's just the bottom line. I love it.
58:41
Well, that's beautiful. Well, thank you both so much for
58:43
coming on here. This has been so much fun.
58:46
I don't usually get to talk for a whole hour laughing my face
58:48
off, but we did. So where can I find both of you?
58:53
And also whoever is watching or listening to this episode, check
58:56
the show notes and I will have all the links to whatever these
58:59
guys want for you to go follow them.
59:03
That sentence made no sense, but you guys are picking up what I'm
59:05
putting down. Links and stuff.
59:08
Yeah, the links and stuff. All one word.
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Yeah, that's it. Yeah, links and stuff.
59:13
That's how you find this, honestly.
59:17
Like I don't care that you follow me specifically, like
59:20
just just click the link for the campaign.
59:22
That's all I can ask you to do. That's the, that's why we're
59:27
here. That like it's about the book
59:29
and we want this book in as many hands as possible.
59:31
So go to Kickstarter and back Barricade brigade #0 and just
59:36
keep in mind like we have Google Docs that are, you know, 20
59:40
pages long of just notes of what happens in this world and, and
59:45
how it works. So this isn't the end of
59:48
anything. We've barely even started so.
59:53
Nice. What about you Kris with AK?
59:56
You should follow Chris. He's amazing and he does one of
1:00:01
two of my favorite podcasts, if I'm going to be honest.
1:00:07
And and, and like truthfully, Chris was mine's my my
1:00:12
introduction to truly indie comics too.
1:00:15
So like me finding him on threads was like that.
1:00:21
That's why I'm here. So.
1:00:24
It's a big deal. Go follow him, he's great.
1:00:27
He is and I'm. I'm going to include your links
1:00:30
anyways, even if you say not to, like.
1:00:33
That's bananas. Definitely check out his check
1:00:37
out his Wednesday live. It's always fun, it's always
1:00:39
sweet, and even if it's like a heavier topic, he still delivers
1:00:43
it with such grace and kindness. 100% do it.
1:00:49
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