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Sharri | 19 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Evening. We'll breaking news tonight with two explosive sports scandals.
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Speaker 1: The Sydney Swan saga goes from bad to worse with
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Speaker 1: reports just in the last hour that drugs were found
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Speaker 1: in the player's hotel room, and we've heard from the
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Speaker 1: players as well tonight for the very first time. Then
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Speaker 1: breaking news just in the last few minutes that Ozzie
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Speaker 1: tennis star Nick Curios has admitted to testing positive to cocaine.
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Speaker 1: And I'll bring you what he said in a moment,
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Speaker 1: but first let's get to the latest in the Swan scandal.
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Speaker 1: Channel seven has tonight reported that illicit drugs were allegedly
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Speaker 1: present in the room at the Pullman Hotel. Here's how
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Speaker 1: seven News broke the story.
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Speaker 2: Tonight we can reveal fresh details about what really happened
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Speaker 2: in the early hours of Monday morning at the Pullman. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: we can tell you that there was drug use involved.
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Speaker 2: It's unclear which players were involved in this drug use,
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Speaker 2: but I am willing to say tonight that there were
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Speaker 2: multiple players that were taking cocaine.
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Speaker 1: Well, that escalates this to a whole new level. And
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Speaker 1: it comes, as we heard tonight from the players themselves
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Speaker 1: for the very first time they issued this statement, they said,
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Speaker 1: we are deeply sorry to everyone involved. We know that
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Speaker 1: our behavior has fallen well shot of the standards expected
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Speaker 1: of us and the values of our club. We know
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Speaker 1: we have let down our partners and families, members, supporters,
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Speaker 1: teammates and the AFLW team, corporate partners, and everyone in
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Speaker 1: the club and the wider community. They said that they
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Speaker 1: accept the club's sanction and apologize for the impact this
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Speaker 1: has had on those involved. Our focus will be on
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Speaker 1: rebuilding trust with the club and the community, and the
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Speaker 1: club today suspended five players following an alleged sexual assault
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Speaker 1: incident in Melbourne on Monday. Star players Riley By, Nick Blakey,
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Speaker 1: Isaac Keeney, James Jordan, and Chad Warner will not play
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Speaker 1: for the season. These are some of the Swan's best players,
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Speaker 1: and Victoria police are yet to arrest or charge any
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Speaker 1: of them. The investigation is ongoing, but dramatic new information
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Speaker 1: has come to light about what allegedly unfolded inside that
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Speaker 1: hotel room. The Herald Sun reports that some of the
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Speaker 1: players had taken exotic dancers to their hotel for lap dancers,
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Speaker 1: and they said the dancers were reported to have arrived
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Speaker 1: at around four am, but seven News tonight had a
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Speaker 1: bit more detail that there were three topless waitresses booked
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Speaker 1: for two hundred and ten dollars per girl, plus tips
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Speaker 1: for extra services and a deposit, and that they were
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Speaker 1: booked from Party Girls Melbourne, that they arrived at five
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Speaker 1: point thirty am for two hour booking. Media also reports
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Speaker 1: that three women have now given statements to Victorian police,
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Speaker 1: and club chairman Andrew Pritdam broke his silence today, beginning
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Speaker 1: his press conference with an apology.
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Speaker 3: I want to offer an apology since your apology, to
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Speaker 3: the community, to our many many fans. Hopefully people can
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Speaker 3: see how seriously we have taken this matter. They shouldn't
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Speaker 3: have been in that situation of being out that late,
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Speaker 3: and the only way we can deal that is to
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Speaker 3: put our foot down incredibly hard, which we've done, and
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Speaker 3: to effectively torpedo our season by making decisions such this
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Speaker 3: just tells you how seriously it will take.
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Speaker 1: Club chief Matthew Pavlich said that players actions fell well
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Speaker 1: shod of their standard.
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Speaker 4: It was starting out late, it was drinking, it was
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Speaker 4: continuing to continue their night, it was bringing women back
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Speaker 4: to the hotel. It was a long way short of
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Speaker 4: what we expect to our players, and we're holding them
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Speaker 4: to a really high standard, but they were well short
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Speaker 4: of anywhere near that standard.
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Speaker 1: So, as I reported last night, the players have been
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Speaker 1: suspended for partying, drinking alcohol, and bringing the club into disrepute,
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Speaker 1: not for the separate allegations of sexual assault under investigation
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Speaker 1: by police. And Matthew Pavlich also took the time to
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Speaker 1: defend coach Dean Cox, saying he had not done anything
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Speaker 1: wrong after he was seen heading out with staff.
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Speaker 4: Good coaches, physios, doctors, commercial staff, media people had to
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Speaker 4: get together, pluck, pre plan, get together. They all finished
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Speaker 4: the game quite late, they all got back to the
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Speaker 4: hotel quite late, had some dinner and then went out.
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Speaker 4: So it wasn't inappropriate what they did. No no issue
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Speaker 4: at all with them.
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Speaker 1: This is all deeply damaging to the Swans, a club
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Speaker 1: that's tried hard to keep a squeaky clean reputation. But
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Speaker 1: the fact that even it's poster boy Isaac Keeney recently
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Speaker 1: engaged in a superstar player who even has a children's
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Speaker 1: book out, the fact he's been caught up in all
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Speaker 1: of this shows that there are some serious questions about
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Speaker 1: the culture behind closed doors and whether they're fit to
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Speaker 1: be role models. Only time will tell if the Swans
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Speaker 1: choose to face the music well now Curios Tennis bad
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Speaker 1: boy Nick Curios, has admitted tonight to testing positive to cocaine.
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Speaker 1: The former Wimbledon finalist has taken to Instagram in the
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Speaker 1: last hour to say this, I recently failed a drug
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Speaker 1: test in MAJORCA after testing positive for cocaine. I made
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Speaker 1: a huge mistake and I take full responsibility for it.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to my fans, my family, my sponsors, and
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Speaker 1: everyone close to me. Curios went on to say, the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years of injuries have taken a huge
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Speaker 1: toll on me, and coming to terms with being near
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Speaker 1: the end of my career has been harder than I
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Speaker 1: ever imagined. For the next twenty eight days, I'll be
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Speaker 1: stepping away from social media and public life while I
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Speaker 1: focused on getting myself right. Look. Of course, Curios isn't
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Speaker 1: the first spot star to do recreational drugs. He certainly
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Speaker 1: won't be the last, but it is yet another drama
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Speaker 1: in his rollercoaster career. In twenty twenty three, he admitted
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Speaker 1: assaulting an ex girlfriend two years earlier. He avoided a
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Speaker 1: criminal conviction. Annie's on court antics have always been extremely divisive,
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Speaker 1: smashing rackets, arguing with umpires. He hardly set the best
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Speaker 1: example for kids. Curios has played just four singles matches
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Speaker 1: this season and with this latest issue, it may be
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Speaker 1: a long time until we see him on the court again. Well,
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Speaker 1: veterans are demanding that Matt Keo resign as Veterans Affairs
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Speaker 1: Minister after his behavior in a meeting yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Everyone's in art of disbelief and it really just consolidates
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Speaker 5: that across the community.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's saying he is not fit to be in office.
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Speaker 1: The Coalition grilled Labor about Matt Kio's conduct during question
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Speaker 1: time in Parliament today.
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Speaker 6: Why won't the Prime Minister sack this incompetent and disrespectful minister?
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Speaker 7: Have every confidence in the Minister for Veterans Affairs.
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Speaker 8: He is the minister confident veterans would agree he is
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Speaker 8: upholding the Covenant Oath.
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Speaker 5: Why on earth hasn't the Minister picked up the phone
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Speaker 5: to the CEO of the organization representing Australia's war widows.
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Speaker 8: How can the Minister continue as Minister for Veterans Affairs
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Speaker 8: and Defense Personnel if he cannot uphold defense values.
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Speaker 1: Now veterans are urging the Albanezy government to scrap the
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars up on Allied Health Allied Health Service
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Speaker 1: funding before it takes effect mid next year. And joining
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Speaker 1: me now to discuss his former Special Air Service soldier.
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Speaker 1: His name is Andrew Hudson, but I'm told everyone calls
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Speaker 1: him horse. So Andrew Hoss Hudson, great to have you here,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time. You got to
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Speaker 1: tell us while why everyone calls you horse.
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Speaker 9: It's a long face, a long face. It's a long story,
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Speaker 9: a long story.
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Speaker 1: Right, we'll leave it at that then. So look, there
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Speaker 1: have been veterans tonight. There was one on air with
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Speaker 1: Peter Kradlin earlier who say that Matt cho should resign,
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Speaker 1: that this behavior has truly been appalling. Do you agree
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Speaker 1: with that assessment.
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Speaker 9: I agree that his behavior has been palling. That man,
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Speaker 9: I agree with that assessment. It's basic manners to shake
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Speaker 9: a person's hand, especially as a minister, when you are
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Speaker 9: there meeting the people that you are supposed to be representing.
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Speaker 9: I can confirm that he did shake my hand on
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Speaker 9: entering or departing the meeting.
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Speaker 1: And did you find him rude when he was in
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Speaker 1: there with you.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, his body language was like a petulant child, chastise child.
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Speaker 1: And being true, he sat there with his arms cross is.
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Speaker 9: Sitting there with his arms cross, slumpback. He certainly did
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Speaker 9: not appear to want to be there at all. In fact,
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Speaker 9: he's appeared to have been told to be there with
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Speaker 9: my assessment because I think, as I believe, he preferred
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Speaker 9: to be off drinking, have a drinks at the Governor general.
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Speaker 1: At the governor generals around with veterans.
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Speaker 9: It's just his job.
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Speaker 1: Now explain to us what this is all about. This
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Speaker 1: new cap.
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Speaker 9: So, the five thousand dollars allied healthcare cap has been
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Speaker 9: brought in now that affects veterans everything outside their GP
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Speaker 9: and surgery, so any rehabilitation services, so physiotherapy, psychotherapy, occupational therapist,
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Speaker 9: that sort of thing. Now, I've spoken to quite a
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Speaker 9: few veterans friends and throughout the community, and ranging from
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Speaker 9: two to three months is what their healthcare professionals have
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Speaker 9: assessed that that five thousand dollars will last them. So
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Speaker 9: that leaves too like nine to ten months they will
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Speaker 9: be either without treatment or out of pocket, which they
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Speaker 9: can't afford that we sign on as veterans in the
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Speaker 9: knowledge like the government promises to look after us. So
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Speaker 9: at least people have been injured in service of Australia
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Speaker 9: and so that promise they made was to look after
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Speaker 9: us if that does occur, and that's been broken and
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Speaker 9: this five thousand dollars cap essentially just represents another but
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Speaker 9: another betrayal.
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Speaker 1: I mean, especially for you in the sas. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you put your life on the line for our country
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Speaker 1: and now the government's not looking after you.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. Once as I said, that's another betrayal. Where have
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Speaker 9: you served Afghanistan and team more multiple tours are both
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Speaker 9: and yet you have to mention counter terrorist duties So
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Speaker 9: here in Australia working with.
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Speaker 1: Police Afghanistan extremely dangerous environment up against terrorists. You come
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Speaker 1: home and the Minister for Veterans Affairs can't even do
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Speaker 1: you the respect of shaking your hand when you walk
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Speaker 1: into a meeting.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred percent. Like dealing with the Minister Keo,
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Speaker 9: I think I'd prefer to deal with the Taliban. That
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Speaker 9: was much more simple.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's the exaggeration, surely.
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Speaker 9: No it I signed on to fight enemies of Australia,
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Speaker 9: not fight our own MPs that are supposed to be
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Speaker 9: here representing us.
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Speaker 1: It just seems so heartless that they won't overturn the decision.
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Speaker 1: And you know, to see the Prime Minister as you
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Speaker 1: just did in the clip. I just played a moment
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Speaker 1: ago to see him standing by the minister as he
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Speaker 1: did in Parliament, do you think that's good enough?
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Speaker 9: So we did actually get as you know, we got
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Speaker 9: to meet the minister, mister Keo, and in that meeting
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Speaker 9: he agreed that the decision was flawed. He didn't have
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Speaker 9: all of the information that was required to make such
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Speaker 9: a decision, but still digging his heels in on it.
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Speaker 9: It just doesn't make any sense at all.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned a moment ago that you know, mat Cho
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Speaker 1: didn't want to miss a shin dig with the Governor General.
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Speaker 1: I mean, but you think of the things you had
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Speaker 1: to miss when you were in Afghanistan and also just
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Speaker 1: how life has changed for you and so many other
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Speaker 1: veterans afterwards after coming back to Australia. I mean, do
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Speaker 1: you get the sense that the government doesn't understand or
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Speaker 1: doesn't respect veterans, you know, coming off the back and
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Speaker 1: I don't know your view and the Ben Robert smith saga.
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Speaker 1: But coming off the back of the way he was
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Speaker 1: treated when he was arrested, you know, in a media
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Speaker 1: spectacle when he offered to hand himself in.
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Speaker 9: I certainly agree that Minster Kia has no respect and
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Speaker 9: how he's behaving is atrocious. We did get a meeting
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Speaker 9: with the PM's office and we do want to find
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Speaker 9: a way forward on this way forward with the government
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Speaker 9: to achieve the optimal outcome for veterans, which is scrapping
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Speaker 9: the cap.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so they're still working. They haven't. They've said
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Speaker 1: they're open to changes, but they haven't agreed to those
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Speaker 1: changes yet.
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Speaker 9: I haven't said they're opened to anything yet, but at
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Speaker 9: least we're talking.
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Speaker 1: I haven't even said they're open to it. Nothing, no, nothing. Look,
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Speaker 1: just on another topic, I mean, you saw terrorists up close.
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Speaker 1: Do you find it hard to understand how the government's
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Speaker 1: been bringing back ISIS brides and considering bringing to Australia
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Speaker 1: ISIS fighters themselves.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, I'm not really here to comment on that.
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Speaker 9: We're here to talk about the scrapping the cap at
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Speaker 9: the moment. Yeah, we've all got our own opinions there,
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Speaker 9: all right, All.
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Speaker 1: Good, all right, well Hoss, good to see you. Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for your time.
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Speaker 9: Tears Sherry, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Were New South Wales Supreme Court Judge Desmond Fagan has
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Speaker 1: handed down a very contra troversial judgment on the case
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Speaker 1: of Muhammad Farat. Farat was jailed last year for an
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Speaker 1: anti Submitic graffiti rampage, torching cars and spraying vile graffiti
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Speaker 1: that said f Israel, as you can see there on
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Speaker 1: your screen. But shockingly, Judge Fagan rejected the state government's
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Speaker 1: bid to place Farat on an extended terrorism oda, saying
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Speaker 1: it wasn't anti Semitic. Now, this is the same perpetrator
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Speaker 1: who has a Hezbela tattoo, yes, a tattoo of a
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Speaker 1: terrorist group, and who purposefully terrorized the prominent Jewish community
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Speaker 1: in Sydney's East. Yet according to this Judge Fagan, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't anti Semitic. And this decision is incredibly hard to understand. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's have a bit of a closer look at Judge Fagan.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 1: In October twenty twenty five, he described Israel's actions in
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Speaker 1: Gaza as genocide. And given this is his view, I
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Speaker 1: think the state of New South Wales should have made
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Speaker 1: an application to disqualify him for apprehended bias on the
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Speaker 1: basis of those previous comments. Now, apprehended bias is not
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Speaker 1: that demanding. It's that a fair minded observer might reasonably
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Speaker 1: suspect that they might not bring an impartial mind to
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Speaker 1: the issue a double might. The judge today also launched
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Speaker 1: a scathing attack on the widely accepted definition of anti
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Speaker 1: Semitism by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. Now this is
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Speaker 1: the same definition adopted by the Royal Commission, by forty
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Speaker 1: seven countries and even by the Albanezi government. Well, I
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Speaker 1: spoke about all of this and more with co CEO
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Speaker 1: of the Executive Council of Australian Jury, Alex Ripchin a
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Speaker 1: little earlier. Alex, thank you so much for being here.
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Speaker 1: Thank you sharing this new South Wales Supreme Court Judge
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Speaker 1: Desmond fan Now this is a judge who has described
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Speaker 1: Israel's actions after October seven as genocide. He made those
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Speaker 1: remarks previously. Well, the news today is that he's criticized
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Speaker 1: the international definition of antisemitism, the IRA definition, and he
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Speaker 1: said that its supporters want to stifle debate about Israel.
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Speaker 1: What's your response, to this.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's quite extraordinary that where we are as
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Speaker 10: a society, is a country globally with anti Semitism, that
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Speaker 10: we're still being dragged back into these foundational discussions about
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Speaker 10: what is and what is an antisemitism. The IRA definition
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Speaker 10: has been almost universally accepted, certainly by the Jewish world,
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Speaker 10: by both major political parties in Australia, by universities, by
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Speaker 10: sporting associations un bodies. It's based originally on an EU
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Speaker 10: working definition, on a US State Department definition used for
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Speaker 10: years with our controversy. But whenever someone wants to muddy
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Speaker 10: the waters and prevent us from actually looking at curing
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Speaker 10: anti semitism, the drag is back to this discussion about
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Speaker 10: the AIRA definition. And I think that the fact that
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Speaker 10: a judge is actually pausing on this point it seems
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Speaker 10: like the work of activism rather than of a judicial member,
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Speaker 10: and it's deeply troubling, and I think that influenced the
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Speaker 10: overall decision the judge made and his whole thinking on
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Speaker 10: the case.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's turn to that decision. Now, this was about
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Speaker 1: the perpetrator behind anti Semitic vandalism in Sydney. What did
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Speaker 1: you make of his judgment.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think it shows how often community standards different
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Speaker 10: to the rulings of judges and how far they fall
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Speaker 10: short of what the community expects in certain cases. Now,
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Speaker 10: anyone would look at the facts of that case. We
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Speaker 10: had two individuals, one of whom has a hes Bala
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Speaker 10: tattoo embroidered on his neck, going to a Jewish neighborhood,
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Speaker 10: you know, with a large Jewish community, a Jewish hospital,
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Speaker 10: synagogue's childcare centers, and daubing anti his rol slogans, and
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Speaker 10: to somehow say that that's a matter of political protests
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Speaker 10: and not anti Semitic. The man and woman the street
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Speaker 10: would bitterly refute that. I would submit. And the fact
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Speaker 10: that the judge found the way that he did, I
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Speaker 10: think it totally avoids the facts of the case, but
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Speaker 10: also the community impact, and that's something that needs to
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Speaker 10: happen more and more. The judges need to consider community impact.
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Speaker 10: And when you had that attack on the community, we
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Speaker 10: knew without equivocation, it was an attack on us and
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Speaker 10: it had a very damaging effect on social cohesion and
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Speaker 10: on the Jewish community specifically. So I think if the
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Speaker 10: community is able to produce these impact statements, that will
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Speaker 10: hopefully foster better understanding of that impact and better outcomes,
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Speaker 10: because that hasn't happened in this case.
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Speaker 1: Do you think the judgment on this case should be appealed?
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Speaker 10: I think so. I mean, look, no doubt the government
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Speaker 10: will will take advice on this, and it's something you
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Speaker 10: know that the system needs to look at. But certainly
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Speaker 10: from a Jewish community point of view, I think there's
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Speaker 10: a great danger in this judgment standing. I think it
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Speaker 10: falls short of what the community and the wider society expects,
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Speaker 10: and I think it should be reviewed.
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Speaker 1: Julian Lisa, the Liberal politician, gave an extraordinary speech in
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Speaker 1: Parliament yesterday. He excoriated the Royal Commission for having too
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Speaker 1: short a time frame for failing to alleged perpetrators or
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Speaker 1: alleged offenders onto the stand to answer questions. He also
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Speaker 1: said that some prominent Australians, and not only Jewish Australians,
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Speaker 1: but you know people like and he did mention, of
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Speaker 1: course Josh Friedenburg, the former Treasurer, but also Nova Paris,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Westercott, Mike Kelly. He said that they should have all,
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Speaker 1: among others, been called to give powerful testimony at the Commission.
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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that?
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Speaker 10: Look, when you look at the individuals you've just named,
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Speaker 10: they someone like Josh Fredenberg has unparalleled experience in public
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Speaker 10: policy and lived experience as a high profile the most
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Speaker 10: high profile Jewish politician this country has ever seen. Someone
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Speaker 10: like Mike Kelly with his military reform policy experience, and
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Speaker 10: obviously he's government experience as well. Jennifer Wester in the
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Speaker 10: university sector nov Paris, as an athlete and as a
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Speaker 10: former senator and an indigenous person. These people have unique
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Speaker 10: perspectives of extraordinary value. Now, the fact that they're not
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Speaker 10: being called doesn't mean that their ridden submissions won't be
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Speaker 10: considered by the Commission, and I sincerely hope they will
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Speaker 10: be paid great regard because these people have an incredible
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Speaker 10: amount to offer of insight and unique perspective. Ultimately comes
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Speaker 10: down to I think two things. First is we wanted
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Speaker 10: to see the lived experience of the Jewish community brought
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Speaker 10: to public light, a true examination of what's happening in
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Speaker 10: schools and universities and sports clubs, in the cultural sector,
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Speaker 10: and in politics and in the media, all of these
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Speaker 10: factors of society. And I believe that's been achieved to
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Speaker 10: a great extent, but perhaps more could have been done,
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Speaker 10: and I think this is the point that Julian's making.
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Speaker 10: But also we need to see those who are responsible
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Speaker 10: for the effectively explosion of social cohesion its destruction in
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Speaker 10: this country and the precursors to by an anti semetis
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Speaker 10: and the drivers of that. We want to see that examined.
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Speaker 10: And I'm not sure that's been duly looked at. But
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Speaker 10: ultimately we do have great faith in the Commissioner and
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Speaker 10: her team and we hope that when the recommendations come
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Speaker 10: out at the end of it, we will see this
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Speaker 10: all reflected and come through. But we wait with bated breath.
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Speaker 1: Certainly, Yeah, let's hope. So now, Alex, shortly after the
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Speaker 1: bond A Terror attach, you and I started working together
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Speaker 1: on documenting the stories, recording it for history in a
21:32
Speaker 1: proper way in a book. And the book has just
21:36
Speaker 1: come back from the printers. HarperCollins has published it. And
21:41
Speaker 1: here it is, this is our book, if we can,
21:43
Speaker 1: if we can show it, I mean, it's a powerful record, Alex,
21:47
Speaker 1: for history of what happened on December fourteen.
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Speaker 10: Here we set out to do something for our community
21:55
Speaker 10: and for the country, for the families of the dead,
21:58
Speaker 10: to preserve their memories, to tell theirses. This talks about
22:02
Speaker 10: the precursors to it. It talks about the aftermath, the
22:05
Speaker 10: impact on society, on the country, on the families, and ultimately,
22:09
Speaker 10: this is our tribute to this country. This is our
22:11
Speaker 10: hope and aspiration for something better. And I hope that
22:15
Speaker 10: the country engages with this because there is so much
22:18
Speaker 10: to learn about the anatomy of a terror attack, how
22:20
Speaker 10: it happens, how we prevent them from happening again, and
22:23
Speaker 10: how we move our country forward to someone better than
22:25
Speaker 10: it's settled at the moment.
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Speaker 1: And what this book is I mean we say the
22:30
Speaker 1: Role Commission was set up, of course in response to BONDI.
22:33
Speaker 1: But what we've done here in this book is we've
22:36
Speaker 1: told the stories of the terror attack absolutely and the
22:39
Speaker 1: victims and what happened in that seven minutes, you know,
22:43
Speaker 1: the decisions that meant the difference between life and death,
22:46
Speaker 1: what parents did, where they took their children, how people
22:49
Speaker 1: ran and hid and survived or not tragically. But this
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Speaker 1: book is also an investigation, yes, and we look and
22:58
Speaker 1: we did that together and completely separate from the Royal Commission.
23:02
Speaker 1: We looked at where there were mistakes made or oversights
23:06
Speaker 1: or failings by law enforcement and intelligence agencies. And we
23:09
Speaker 1: haven't done this to assign any blame, so that to
23:14
Speaker 1: try to help fix the mistake so that this doesn't
23:17
Speaker 1: happen again. So this book is part the story of
23:21
Speaker 1: the massacre, it's part investigative. And then the final section,
23:25
Speaker 1: Part three is the roadmap forward. How do we get
23:28
Speaker 1: our country on a better course. How do we stop
23:31
Speaker 1: terrorism from ripping apart lives again at Bondi Beach no less?
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Speaker 10: And look that is so critical because we reflect now
23:39
Speaker 10: in the fact that we're six months or a little
23:41
Speaker 10: bit more from this massacre. Are we safer as a
23:44
Speaker 10: community and as a country. Is the risk of Islamic
23:47
Speaker 10: terrorism now under control? Are we able to freely congregate
23:52
Speaker 10: in the way that we did part of this attack exactly?
23:54
Speaker 10: And I think the answers to those questions, sadly is no.
23:57
Speaker 10: So we need to focus on how this happened, the failings,
24:01
Speaker 10: the missigns, and where we need to go sector bisector
24:05
Speaker 10: as a society, as a communion, and I really hope
24:07
Speaker 10: that lawmakers and the public engage with this so that
24:11
Speaker 10: we can together improve our country and prevent anyone from
24:14
Speaker 10: suffering the pain and anguish that we've all suffered.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Alex, thank you so much for being here.
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Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, you can pre order the book
24:23
Speaker 1: Bondai Terror now on Amazon or book Topia. There's a
24:28
Speaker 1: link in my Instagram bio or otherwise. Just search Amazon
24:32
Speaker 1: Bondai Terror and you should be able to find it now.
24:34
Speaker 1: Just before I got the break, I'm going to give
24:36
Speaker 1: a shout out to my colleague and friend Chris Kenny,
24:40
Speaker 1: who tonight is receiving the inaugural Stand with Us Australia Award.
24:44
Speaker 1: He's been recognized for his steadfast and dedicated support of
24:48
Speaker 1: the Jewish community through these dark and challenging times. It's
24:53
Speaker 1: well deserved and it's a privilege to call him a friend.
24:56
Speaker 1: And I just think he's done the most extraordinary job
25:00
Speaker 1: over the past few years and I'm so grateful on
25:03
Speaker 1: a personal level for his voice. So congrats to you, Chris.
25:06
Speaker 1: All Right, still to come. How did Albanezi rack up
25:09
Speaker 1: a four million dollar travel bill yet is happy to
25:12
Speaker 1: cut veterans health services plus labor? Premier Chris Mins backs
25:16
Speaker 1: in Pauline Hanson. I'll tell you on what after the
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Speaker 1: break Welcome Back with The Daily Telegraph has revealed that
25:26
Speaker 1: taxpayers have paid a staggering eleven million dollars in travel
25:30
Speaker 1: bills for labor ministers over the past financial year, and
25:34
Speaker 1: topping the jet sitting list was the Prime Minister, who
25:37
Speaker 1: alone spent more than four million dollars in the past
25:40
Speaker 1: year alone, while Richard Miles and Pennywong charged taxpayers a
25:45
Speaker 1: combined three million dollars. Well todayscuss Let's bring in Tonight's
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Speaker 1: Panel News twenty four contributor Joe Hildebrand and Chief economist
25:53
Speaker 1: for the Institute of Public Affairs Adam Quiton. Great to see.
25:58
Speaker 1: I mean, Adam, I just had to form sas soldier
26:02
Speaker 1: on my show. They're cutting services for veterans, but the
26:04
Speaker 1: Prime Minister is literally spending millions of dollars on travel. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's certainly excessive by any objective standard, but the
26:15
Speaker 5: reality is I'd be surprised if Coalition MPs say too
26:18
Speaker 5: much about this, because they would be just as bad.
26:20
Speaker 5: The reality is in ministerial jobs are a gravy train.
26:24
Speaker 11: There.
26:24
Speaker 5: You can have many staff, huge salaries, first class travel.
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Speaker 9: They all do this.
26:29
Speaker 5: I think these stories are very useful low, but they
26:31
Speaker 5: do remind they do remind voters of just the huge
26:34
Speaker 5: cost of executive government that when they create new jobs,
26:37
Speaker 5: or new ministries or new bodies, that it comes with
26:40
Speaker 5: all of these associated costs and it adds up to
26:43
Speaker 5: hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Speaker 9: So I think it's a great story.
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Speaker 1: Look, I don't have the figures at hand to compare,
26:49
Speaker 1: you know whether the Coalition spent more or less, But Joe,
26:52
Speaker 1: the point is we are currently in a cost of
26:54
Speaker 1: living crisis. There is high inflation, interest rates arising, rents
26:58
Speaker 1: are rising, there's a house shortage, and people see that
27:04
Speaker 1: the Prime minister has spent three million dollars. That is travel.
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Speaker 11: That is exactly the point.
27:09
Speaker 6: I mean, it's obviously the sort of travel that politicians
27:12
Speaker 6: have to do, and they do have to do it.
27:14
Speaker 6: A foreign minister has to make foreign visits. They're always
27:17
Speaker 6: going to see astronomical no matter what the figure, all.
27:20
Speaker 1: Of the trips they would have to do.
27:21
Speaker 6: But again, it is when other people are suffering. And
27:25
Speaker 6: when I mean, a rising tide floats all boats. So
27:28
Speaker 6: if everyone feels like they're secure financially, that they're doing okay,
27:32
Speaker 6: they're not stressing about the future, they're prepared to kind
27:35
Speaker 6: of you know, yes it's a bit outrageous, and yes
27:37
Speaker 6: it makes a great splash, but it's not as fatal
27:40
Speaker 6: or damaging for a government as when it looks like
27:42
Speaker 6: everyone else is starving and they're basically out there globe
27:46
Speaker 6: trodding around the planet and saying, let the meat cake.
27:49
Speaker 6: And I think that is a real problem. And I
27:50
Speaker 6: think the other problem, for the government's own sake, is
27:54
Speaker 6: that politicians live a life that is very, very insulated
27:59
Speaker 6: from everyday.
28:00
Speaker 1: Cost of living pressures, privilege.
28:02
Speaker 6: That's right, that every day people feel. So I'm not
28:05
Speaker 6: sure if a lot of people in the government are
28:07
Speaker 6: picking up on the raw anxiety and in some cases
28:11
Speaker 6: just sheer rage that I am hearing from ordinary people
28:16
Speaker 6: every day.
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Speaker 1: I do think their traveler is excessive. Just to disagree
28:21
Speaker 1: with you on that one point. I mean, we've seen
28:23
Speaker 1: examples of trips where families have been taken with business
28:26
Speaker 1: class flights. It ended up being a holiday, there might
28:28
Speaker 1: have been one meeting. So I think it has been
28:30
Speaker 1: accessive and unreasonable in many cases with many ministers. But yeah,
28:35
Speaker 1: all right, well let's have a look at indigenous leader
28:37
Speaker 1: Marcia Langton. She took aim at the pro Palestinian movement
28:40
Speaker 1: while giving evidence the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism today.
28:45
Speaker 12: There can be no peace if the Pro Palestine movement
28:50
Speaker 12: make enemies of Jewish people in our country. We have
28:56
Speaker 12: to be united for peace, not.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she also spoke about how she was targeted
29:02
Speaker 1: personally called a Zio when she spoke out for Australian Jews,
29:06
Speaker 1: and she even had her property, her car window smashed.
29:10
Speaker 1: I mean, Adam Nolan should be subject to this sort
29:13
Speaker 1: of no, you know, violence and abuse and simply for
29:17
Speaker 1: standing up for Australians. So fellow Australians.
29:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. Look, the viciousness of it just
29:25
Speaker 5: shocks me. And generally speaking, Marshal Lancton would be on
29:28
Speaker 5: the side of these people politically, I mean, she'd generally
29:31
Speaker 5: be perceived as a left wing academic. I actually respect
29:33
Speaker 5: her a great deal. I think she's a great academic.
29:35
Speaker 5: I don't of course, you know, we don't see to
29:38
Speaker 5: Io on many things, but it's just shocking that she's
29:42
Speaker 5: been treated this way.
29:43
Speaker 9: So, you know, just very unfortunate turn of events.
29:46
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe the Palestinian movement often tries to draw
29:49
Speaker 1: parallels with Gaza, but actually Jews were indigenous to the land,
29:54
Speaker 1: and it is something that Marcia Langton Novi Peris and
29:57
Speaker 1: eithers recognized.
29:58
Speaker 11: The've been really strong on that. It's been really impressive.
30:00
Speaker 6: And to be honest, if the pro Palestinian lobby or
30:02
Speaker 6: the anti Israel lobby is it's more accurately called. You know,
30:05
Speaker 6: I want to, you know, pull back the rug of history.
30:07
Speaker 6: Why don't they campaign to give it back to the
30:09
Speaker 6: Karnanites who the Jews took it off when they were
30:14
Speaker 6: across the Red Sea under Moses and went to the
30:15
Speaker 6: promise that. I mean, this kind of cherry picking of
30:18
Speaker 6: history is absolutely idiotic, and I think it shows how
30:21
Speaker 6: disingenuous the pro Palestinian cause is.
30:24
Speaker 11: It is simply the cause.
30:25
Speaker 6: To jure it is this generation's Vietnam, and so they're
30:28
Speaker 6: just going to pick it up. They're going to get
30:30
Speaker 6: hysterical about it. And the hatred that she's received, and
30:32
Speaker 6: the hatred I know the Left can dole out to
30:34
Speaker 6: people who should or would otherwise be sympathetic to a
30:38
Speaker 6: lot of those things. I mean, it's self harmful in
30:41
Speaker 6: the first place, and It's why I know everyone else
30:44
Speaker 6: calls me a lefty. I'm embarrassed to call myself a
30:46
Speaker 6: lefty because of people like that doing things like that
30:49
Speaker 6: and attacking anyone who deviates from what I think.
30:54
Speaker 1: But you're center right labor. You're in the blood of
30:57
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely, Chris Men's, Yeah, exactly. Kevin rud was
31:00
Speaker 1: in a similar position.
31:02
Speaker 6: Kevin RAN's actually more to the left these days, believe
31:04
Speaker 6: it or not, but I like politics of internal labor
31:10
Speaker 6: factional warfare.
31:11
Speaker 1: Right. Well, we're speaking of Chris Mins. Actually, he happened
31:13
Speaker 1: to back in Pauline Hanson today. Now this is over
31:16
Speaker 1: the whole political fight over the black market for illegal cigarettes,
31:21
Speaker 1: and Hanson has promised to cut the tobacco excise by
31:24
Speaker 1: seventy five percent. Have a look at Min's.
31:26
Speaker 5: Well, to be honest with you, I've been calling for
31:29
Speaker 5: the same thing.
31:30
Speaker 1: For about a year. So it'd be pretty.
31:33
Speaker 5: Disingenuous to come on after one nation agreed with that
31:38
Speaker 5: policy and say they're wrong.
31:40
Speaker 9: So I'm not going to say that.
31:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has he before Pauline Hanson, he was saying
31:46
Speaker 1: the tobacco excise needs to be cut because it was
31:50
Speaker 1: leading to this escalating crime, organized crime, fire bombing of
31:54
Speaker 1: tobacco stores across New South Wales, the same issues in Victoria. Well,
31:58
Speaker 1: now the Coalition is also reportedly considering reducing the tax
32:02
Speaker 1: just up Pauline by eighty percent. And this is annoyed
32:06
Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce.
32:08
Speaker 11: I'm just going to give them the road map to
32:10
Speaker 11: the One Nation party room meetings. I think it's better.
32:13
Speaker 6: And now we're saying we were going to reduce tobacco
32:15
Speaker 6: excise and sure enough out they charge we're going to
32:18
Speaker 6: do it too.
32:20
Speaker 1: Adam Barnaby isn't wrong here is here it does seem
32:24
Speaker 1: like one Nation is setting policy for the coalition.
32:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, they certainly are, whether it's superannuation or it's
32:31
Speaker 5: his excise. I mean they're completely right in their recommendation.
32:34
Speaker 5: This is one of the greatest public policy disasters of
32:36
Speaker 5: Australian history, maybe in the world in the developed world.
32:39
Speaker 5: I mean we've lost sixteen billion dollars a year of
32:42
Speaker 5: federal revenue and smoking rates have gone up significantly. Just
32:45
Speaker 5: just walk around the streets of Sydney and Melbourne. People
32:47
Speaker 5: are smoking all the time now, it's very concerning. So
32:51
Speaker 5: there's been a massive hit to health there's been a
32:53
Speaker 5: massive hit to the federal budget, and yet the government
32:56
Speaker 5: refuses to acknowledge just the most basic economics that if
32:59
Speaker 5: you basically have a prohibition, you know, just like the
33:02
Speaker 5: US did between nineteen twenty and nine and twenty three,
33:04
Speaker 5: led to all the gangs, all the crimes, all the murders,
33:07
Speaker 5: and then eventually they realized that being alcohol did not work.
33:10
Speaker 5: But the tax rates here are so high it's basically prohibition.
33:14
Speaker 5: That's what's happened. So exactly the same forces here at work,
33:16
Speaker 5: and they're going to have to cut them. It's all
33:18
Speaker 5: reworter tos say, oh, we're just going to police it more,
33:20
Speaker 5: but that just doesn't work. There are finite resources and
33:22
Speaker 5: they can't do it.
33:23
Speaker 9: They're going to have to cut them.
33:24
Speaker 1: Actually, very rarely see anyone smoking a cigarette. Everyone's here vaping,
33:28
Speaker 1: everyone's everywhere's vaping. It's really really annoying, and surely that's
33:32
Speaker 1: not any better for your health. Let's not get side
33:35
Speaker 1: now that I'm sure I'm going to get a flood
33:36
Speaker 1: of emails now, but Joe, this is an unlikely policy
33:42
Speaker 1: alliance between Pauline Hansen and Chris Mins.
33:44
Speaker 6: Well again, this is why I love Chris means because
33:46
Speaker 6: he's honest. He you know, he doesn't take cheap political
33:50
Speaker 6: potshots just because he can, and he says things like that.
33:53
Speaker 6: I mean, it's impossible to imagine almost any other politicians saying,
33:57
Speaker 6: you know, I'm not going to pretend that, you know,
33:59
Speaker 6: we disagree on this, because I have called for this
34:01
Speaker 6: as well, so I'm not going to criticize them. And
34:03
Speaker 6: that is why people like him, And I don't know
34:05
Speaker 6: why it is so difficult for other politicians and political
34:08
Speaker 6: leaders to see that that is the silver bullet if
34:11
Speaker 6: they want to take on one nation. It's not by
34:13
Speaker 6: jumping up and down and pointing the finger at them.
34:15
Speaker 6: It's by being reasonable and so people don't think they're
34:18
Speaker 6: being gas lit by crazy ideologue, being authentic and being authentic,
34:22
Speaker 6: that's exactly right.
34:23
Speaker 11: People can relate that.
34:24
Speaker 6: I look at I listened to him say something like that,
34:26
Speaker 6: and I think that is someone I can trust. That
34:28
Speaker 6: is someone I can trust to be reasonable. That is
34:30
Speaker 6: someone who appears to be honest, which is as rare
34:32
Speaker 6: as Hen's teeth in policy to.
34:34
Speaker 1: Say the same things about Pauline Hans. She's honest.
34:36
Speaker 10: Yeah.
34:37
Speaker 6: Again, I've always said that just calling Pauline Hanson names
34:41
Speaker 6: or pointing the finger at her. I mean, I know
34:43
Speaker 6: Pauline Hanson, I've met her, I've talked to her. Is
34:45
Speaker 6: absolutely the wrong way to go. What you've got to
34:47
Speaker 6: do is be real. And again, as I was going
34:49
Speaker 6: to say, exact same thing that Adam Crichton did about
34:51
Speaker 6: the prohibition during the Great the lead up to and
34:56
Speaker 6: after the Great Depression, I mean, why on earth you
34:59
Speaker 6: would not learn that lesson of history is beyond me.
35:02
Speaker 6: I would go back even Adam to the Emperor Tiberius,
35:06
Speaker 6: who was told that he squeeze as much taxing out
35:09
Speaker 6: of his citizens as.
35:11
Speaker 1: We still have a prohibition on illicit drugs, and that
35:14
Speaker 1: does work. So some prohibitions are necessary. It does, apart
35:20
Speaker 1: from the sports stars and you know, and grow it
35:22
Speaker 1: in all these scoundals tonight, I think it must.
35:25
Speaker 11: It doesn't.
35:25
Speaker 6: It doesn't work if you're prohibiting something that already is
35:28
Speaker 6: at scale. So if you if you have something that
35:31
Speaker 6: someone is already doing of, and this is again why
35:33
Speaker 6: the policing of doesn't work. If you've got a whole
35:35
Speaker 6: bunch of people who desperately want a vapor as a
35:39
Speaker 6: means of quitting smoking or want to smoke because they're addicted.
35:42
Speaker 6: Just saying don't do it and punishing them or trying
35:44
Speaker 6: to catch them when they do is never going to work.
35:47
Speaker 1: You can't.
35:47
Speaker 6: It's the same. I mean again, it's the same with
35:49
Speaker 6: the last budget. So we're just going to make negative
35:52
Speaker 6: hearing go away by saying no, you can't do that anymore.
35:55
Speaker 6: And think that everyone's just going to cow tau and
35:58
Speaker 6: the economy is just going to miraculously damn to that
36:00
Speaker 6: new tune.
36:01
Speaker 5: It's just very it's all for buick.
36:05
Speaker 11: Do you have to go okay?
36:06
Speaker 5: Oh well, just you know, it's all very well for
36:07
Speaker 5: bureaucrats to say to stop it, but the police have
36:10
Speaker 5: to take on these games with five billion dollars of
36:13
Speaker 5: cash and they will physically hurt the.
36:14
Speaker 11: Police, I know, they just crime.
36:16
Speaker 1: It's very hard to fix this problem crime in the street.
36:18
Speaker 1: It's difficult for police. Adam Crichton, jocob Ran Gracie all right,
36:23
Speaker 1: still to calm the extraordinary claim that our justice system
36:27
Speaker 1: sent nine innocent people to prison. Plus how rents are
36:31
Speaker 1: set to rise even in Treasurer Jim Charmers electorate. That's
36:35
Speaker 1: next welcome back, well, Australia's largest real estate group, Ray White,
36:42
Speaker 1: has warned the Albanzi government's tax changes could raise rental
36:46
Speaker 1: prices by as much as forty percent. There are reports
36:50
Speaker 1: the Treasurer's own electorate of Ranken, a working class area
36:53
Speaker 1: of Brisbane, has already seen rents skyrock skyrocket by almost
36:58
Speaker 1: this amount in some areas. And this is of course
37:01
Speaker 1: far above Labour's prediction of two dollars a week in
37:04
Speaker 1: rents going up. We'll joining me now to discuss is
37:07
Speaker 1: Pangana Capital Chief executive Russell Pilmer Russell, great to see
37:11
Speaker 1: you again. Now, this seems to be an own goal
37:14
Speaker 1: as a result of Labour's budget changes.
37:17
Speaker 13: Yeah, Sherry, this has been a massive own goal. Basically,
37:21
Speaker 13: the government tried to do something that was way too
37:24
Speaker 13: simplistic and it's landed up coming back to hurt them.
37:29
Speaker 13: The change in taxes was meant to cause investors to
37:35
Speaker 13: be less inclined to want to own residential properties and
37:39
Speaker 13: that would bring down the prices of residential properties and
37:43
Speaker 13: owner occupiers or new owners would be able to get
37:46
Speaker 13: in at much cheaper rates. But what the government failed
37:49
Speaker 13: to appreciate was the secondary impacts of this and one
37:53
Speaker 13: of the key secondary impacts is on rentals, and it's
37:58
Speaker 13: caused rental prices to to skyrocket now in handsight, but
38:03
Speaker 13: also at the time, it was obvious that this was
38:05
Speaker 13: going to happen, and I think, as I said, the
38:08
Speaker 13: government was ways too simplistic in their analysis.
38:10
Speaker 1: So basically it seems like they've failed to understand basic economics.
38:15
Speaker 11: The basic economics.
38:17
Speaker 13: So really the investors need to be incentivized to have
38:22
Speaker 13: the right economics to own properties, and if their economics
38:26
Speaker 13: were squeezed, the only way they could make up for
38:29
Speaker 13: it would be by increasing rents, passing it on, passing
38:33
Speaker 13: it on. And this wouldn't work if there was lots
38:36
Speaker 13: of supply in the marketplace. But because there's such limited supply,
38:40
Speaker 13: they have their control and they have the market power,
38:44
Speaker 13: and they have increased rates. And as I said, this
38:48
Speaker 13: is really hurting the renters in the marketplace. And you know,
38:53
Speaker 13: I think what was a political equation, how which sounded
38:56
Speaker 13: good at the time, was we will.
38:58
Speaker 11: Gain favor with the year with new homeowners.
39:01
Speaker 1: And the younger generation of owners.
39:04
Speaker 13: Of course absolutely at the expense of landlords. That sounds
39:07
Speaker 13: like a pretty good equation. But now they've landed up,
39:10
Speaker 13: hurting renters and also regular homeowners who hate the idea
39:14
Speaker 13: of seeing their major assets in decrease.
39:17
Speaker 11: Soa significantly yeah.
39:19
Speaker 1: And then we saw you know, government ministers trying to
39:21
Speaker 1: argue with these figures today saying it wasn't a prediction,
39:24
Speaker 1: it was a scenario. Honestly. The point is that rents
39:27
Speaker 1: are going to go up. Well, let's have a look
39:29
Speaker 1: at the business of spot because Amazon owner Jeff Bezos
39:33
Speaker 1: has bought a forty percent steak in Liverpool in Liverpool football,
39:38
Speaker 1: and then Josh Kushner, the brother of Trump's son in
39:40
Speaker 1: lawd Jared, has also bought a twelve point five billion
39:44
Speaker 1: dollar US steak in the LA Lakers alongside Disney chief executive.
39:49
Speaker 1: So this is these are interesting movements. What's behind this?
39:52
Speaker 11: Yees?
39:53
Speaker 13: So it used to be the case that really rich
39:55
Speaker 13: people would bind to sporting teams in order to get
39:57
Speaker 13: the kudos, they'd get the best seats and they'd with
40:00
Speaker 13: the players, etc. But now it's become a really great
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Speaker 13: economic business to buy into, and the key reason for
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Speaker 13: this being that these have great recurring revenues. So as
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Speaker 13: you can imagine, sporting fans will come to games, no
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Speaker 13: matter how the teams are playing. This is actually the
40:18
Speaker 13: opposite of a game to a restaurant. You go into restaurants,
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Speaker 13: you have a bad meal, you never want to go back. Well,
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Speaker 13: there are many sporting teams who never win games, and
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Speaker 13: yet their supporters keep on.
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Speaker 1: Coming back, lifelong fans.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, you know.
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Speaker 13: I look at the most famous team in the UK's
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Speaker 13: Manchester United, and for the two decades until twenty and thirteen,
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Speaker 13: they won everything. Their stadium was packed with seventy four
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Speaker 13: thousand people every single week. Since then, sadly for supporters
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Speaker 13: like myself, they haven't won much, and yet every week
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Speaker 13: there's still seventy four thousand people in a tent, a lot.
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Speaker 1: Of Look, I had you want a little while ago
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Speaker 1: to talk about the SpaceX ipo. But reports or equity
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Speaker 1: markets are buzzing with the expectation that Anthropic will list
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Speaker 1: mid October. Is this even right? Surely not a two
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Speaker 1: trillion dollar valuation.
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Speaker 13: So this is astounding. Anthropic is only five years old.
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Speaker 1: Now remind me, Anthropic owns RGPG or Claude.
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Speaker 11: It owns Claude unscrewed.
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Speaker 13: So it's only five years old and it's about to
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Speaker 13: be listed with a two trillion dollar valuation, So the
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Speaker 13: growth of this business is incredible. A year ago, in
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Speaker 13: the middle of last year, they had about four billion
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Speaker 13: dollars of revenues. At the moment, they have about seventy
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Speaker 13: billion dollars of revenues. By Christmas, by the time they list,
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Speaker 13: they should have one hundred billion dollars of revenues. And
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Speaker 13: those in the know are the most sophisticated people in
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Speaker 13: the market anticipate within another year so Christmas twenty twenty seven,
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Speaker 13: they will have four hundred billion.
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Speaker 11: Dollars of revenues.
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Speaker 13: So we've never seen anything like this, and I think
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Speaker 13: investors really need to consider these types of opportunities when
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Speaker 13: they're thinking about all their portfolios. It's not just the
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Speaker 13: upside that comes from investing in something like an anthropic,
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Speaker 13: but it's the dangers to the rest of their portfolios
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Speaker 13: as to what nthropy is going to negatively impact.
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Speaker 1: Right the other businesses that it'll affect absolutely.
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Speaker 13: So anthrop pic is a little bit of a pac man.
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Speaker 13: It can go around eating up other businesses because it's
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Speaker 13: got such great power. So I think there's a potential
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Speaker 13: mayem in the market to come and really need to
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Speaker 13: think hard and fast about what to do in your portfolio.
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Speaker 1: You got to see that more and more with business
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Speaker 1: is struggling to survive and entire industries with Ai Russell Pulma,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for being here again, appreciate it.
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Speaker 11: Thanks well.
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Speaker 1: Next, a new book tells the harrowing story of nine
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Speaker 1: inmates released after being wrongfully imprisoned. It's author, Neil Mercer,
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Speaker 1: would join me in studio. Thanks for tuning in. The
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Speaker 1: justice system in Australia is robust and it's designed to
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Speaker 1: make sure only the guilty are punished. But for some
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Speaker 1: the legal system can become a trap, locking innocent people up,
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Speaker 1: sometimes for decades for the wrong reason. Well, the new
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Speaker 1: book titled Falsely Convicted tells the true story of nine
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Speaker 1: inmates who saw freedom after being locked up for crimes
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Speaker 1: they didn't do. And I'm happy to say the author
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Speaker 1: of the book, Neil Mercer, who's the former police journalist
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Speaker 1: from the Sunday Telegraph, joins me. Now, great to see you, Neil,
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Speaker 1: and congratulations on your book. Thank you so how did
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Speaker 1: you I mean? This is I think the most fascinating thing.
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Speaker 1: When you decide to investigate a case, sometimes before the
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Speaker 1: person has been released, how do you have confidence that
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Speaker 1: they're truly innocent.
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Speaker 7: It's really difficult because you're obviously very nervous. They've been
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Speaker 7: convicted by the state, they've been charged by the police,
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Speaker 7: they've gone to the courts, judges and juries of you're guilty,
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Speaker 7: and they go to jail, and to question that is
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Speaker 7: really difficult.
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Speaker 11: But I think.
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Speaker 7: Journalists do have a role to play here in fighting
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Speaker 7: for people who may have been wrongly convicted. And in
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Speaker 7: the book, there's nine cases of people who were accused
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Speaker 7: of crimes ranging from murder to robbery to rape, who
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Speaker 7: were wrongly accused, in most cases imprisoned wrongly in one
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Speaker 7: case for twenty years before their convictions were quashed by
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Speaker 7: the higher courts, in some cases the High Court.
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Speaker 1: And I imagine that in some of the cases, not all,
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Speaker 1: but some of the cases, you'd be sitting there opposite
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Speaker 1: someone who's imprisoned and having to make that decision in
44:42
Speaker 1: your own mind about whether you truly believe them when
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Speaker 1: they say they didn't do it well.
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Speaker 7: There was one case that goes back to the eighty
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Speaker 7: nine to ninety a former police officer by the name
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Speaker 7: of Harry Blackburn, and I was involved in that case,
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Speaker 7: and he was charged with being a serial rapist and
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Speaker 7: was arrested in a blaze of publicity, walked in front
45:05
Speaker 7: of the cameras. The New South Wales police basically declared
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Speaker 7: him guilty before it even stepped into a court. I
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Speaker 7: was told that he was the wrong man. I've got
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Speaker 7: to say I didn't believe it. I thought it can't
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Speaker 7: possibly be true, because you know, you see things on TV,
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Speaker 7: you see people being arrested, and you go, they've got
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Speaker 7: the bastard.
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Speaker 1: You trust the police.
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Speaker 7: You trust the police. In this case, they got it
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Speaker 7: terribly wrong, and it's very difficult to pursue that and
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Speaker 7: to you know, have the confidence to do that or
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Speaker 7: the tenacity to do that. And there are other journalists
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Speaker 7: from around the country who have done that much better
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Speaker 7: than me. But yeah, it's you go, maybe I'm wrong,
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Speaker 7: Maybe I've got this, Maybe the powers that be are
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Speaker 7: right that I've got this completely stuffed up.
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Speaker 1: Fascinating because heavily. Thomas of course comes at it from
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Speaker 1: the other perspective. He's looking at people who got away.
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Speaker 1: And actually I've got him on the show on Monday
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Speaker 1: about his new podcast. But one of the cases you
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Speaker 1: looked at Josephine green Seal. So she was found guilty
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Speaker 1: in twenty ten of abusing two students back in nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy nine, and later was found to be innocent. Tell
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Speaker 1: us about this case, because you imagine seventy nine to
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Speaker 1: twenty ten, that's a long period of time to go
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Speaker 1: back and get hard evidence.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a unique case.
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Speaker 7: I mean she's at home one day, suburban Melbourne, fifty
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Speaker 7: seven years old, minding her own business, semi retired school teacher.
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Speaker 9: Cops knock on the door.
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Speaker 7: We're here to arrestue for being a child molester.
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Speaker 11: She just goes what.
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Speaker 7: She goes down to the police station, answers I think
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Speaker 7: three hundred and fifty questions because she figures I'm innocent.
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Speaker 7: I don't need a lawyer. She's convicted on the basis
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Speaker 7: of two men who came forward. They're our late thirties
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Speaker 7: and say about thirty years earlier, green cill molested them
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Speaker 7: when they were eight years old, and they tell this
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Speaker 7: story about how they had repeated sexual intercourse with her
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Speaker 7: in various places. It was a complete failure by the
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Speaker 7: Director of Public Prosecutions and the defense because neither called
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Speaker 7: any expert medical evidence to say, a r eight year old
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Speaker 7: boys capable of doing what these men said happened. And
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Speaker 7: when the expert evidence was finally called, the expert said, no,
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Speaker 7: this is just preposterous.
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Speaker 1: This is how long did you say she spent in prison?
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Speaker 7: She spent about two years, eight months and thirteen days.
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Speaker 7: I think she told me to be and as a
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Speaker 7: child molester in protection and for something she never did.
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Speaker 1: Extraordinary. Well, well done again on your book, Neil. And
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Speaker 1: I remember finally some twenty years ago working alongside you
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Speaker 1: at the Sunday Telegion. They were good days and you
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Speaker 1: were had an amazing police reporter then, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: all your books incredible.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you all right, and thanks
48:05
Speaker 1: everyone for your company tonight. Another big show tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: As I said Headley Thomas on the program Monday as
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Speaker 1: well about his fascinating podcast. But for now I'll hand
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Speaker 1: over to Paul Murray in the Man Cave