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AI vs Humans - Astrological Insights into Our Technological Future w/ Astrologer Rick Merlin Levine · Astrology Hub Podcast

0:56
Joe: well, hello.
0:57
Joe: Hello everyone.
0:58
Joe: Welcome, welcome to another episode of the Cosmic Connection.
1:04
Joe: Last episode, if you didn't catch it, we did the July horoscope and we're pretty early in July still, so it's, there's still a lot of time to catch up and today we'll be talking about this question that I keep seeing in the comments over and over and over and over again.
1:21
Joe: Like, you cannot go on the internet these days without seeing this question.
1:25
Joe: Is AI going to take over the world?
1:28
Joe: Is AI going to replace people?
1:31
Joe: Like, what's the deal with ai?
1:32
Joe: That's, that's, that's the thing that we're exploring today, and we're gonna see if astrology either proves or disproves some of those ideas and how we can use, like the astrological framework to navigate these, these times that we're in a little bit better.
1:48
Joe: Today I have with me Rick Levine, as always, this is a show.
1:52
Joe: How are you Rick?
1:53
Rick: I am well, and the short answer to your question, is AI going to, you know, absolutely make us obsolete and take over everything?
2:02
Rick: The answer is absolutely no and absolutely yes.
2:07
Joe: I'm more curious about the Absolutely.
2:09
Joe: Yes, Cynthia, absolutely.
2:10
Joe: No.
2:11
Joe: Do you mind, expanding on that?
2:12
Rick: Yes.
2:13
Rick: My sense is, and people need to understand that aside from, doing astrology for about 20 years or so, I was highly active in the, computer, computer software realm And I got my first computer.
2:33
Rick: In 1977.
2:35
Rick: And so I do consider myself a bit of a technophile of sorts.
2:40
Rick: And although I'm gonna be leaning on astrology, I also have other things to bring to the equation.
2:47
Rick: And I think that one thing is apparent to anyone who studies or knows technology, and that is that artificial intelligence as it begins to.
3:00
Rick: Unfold in its, it's not quite infancy, but in its toddler, let's say stage, is gonna change everything as much as the internet did.
3:13
Rick: And I think that the widespread infusion and use of artificial intelligence as part of a larger technology shift is going to change things in ways that we just don't understand.
3:25
Rick: We can't even begin to fathom.
3:28
Joe: Yeah.
3:28
Joe: And I think that, that was what, like you're saying, that was very similar to what happened with the internet.
3:32
Joe: And I was looking into like, some of these transits and how they're all, like targeting certain charts.
3:39
Joe: And I, I was looking into like the, the chart of the internet and how it has like Saturn and Pisces.
3:44
Rick: I think that the transitions of Pluto into Aquarius and Neptune into Aries are both gonna be ultimately more significant.
3:56
Rick: I think first of all, anything that is trans, Saturnian, anything that is beyond the boundaries of three-dimensional perception, whether we lump it under Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto, all are significant and all are important.
4:12
Rick: And for that matter, I think that the transition, of Uranus into Gemini, which will be another step of mental, intellectual, transformation or, or invention, and Neptune, which of course is related to the non-physical ideas, imagination, fantasy dreams.
4:33
Rick: But everything that is out there beyond the self in a way is neptunian.
4:37
Rick: And because Aries is the first sign, you know, I think that, that the Neptune's transition into Aries, I think is gonna be, hugely significant.
4:49
Rick: And remember when Neptune last moved into Aries, Was in the, early 1860s, the proliferation of the Transcontinental Railroad.
5:01
Rick: We had telegraph.
5:02
Rick: Forms of communication, were beginning to change things again, or previously in ways that we just couldn't even, we couldn't understand possibly how those things would change things if we were alive, then they just seemed like another new and cool thing.
5:19
Rick: And so I think that often it's history that will unfold things as we can perceive the changes that we don't get to perceive while we're going through them.
5:29
Rick: Remember, it was Marshall McLuhan, and I want to come back to him in a few minutes.
5:33
Rick: Marshall McLuhan, who commented, noted that environments are invisible.
5:39
Rick: He used to say that the fish.
5:41
Rick: Don't see water, just like we don't see air, we don't see the current environment in which we live.
5:48
Rick: And so, you know, we, we don't understand the, the long-term ramifications of the changes that we live through until we see them settling in and then we look back and see and see what, what, what it, what happened or what it was like.
6:04
Rick: And in fact, uh, Marshall McLuhan even, you know, prior to the late sixties, talked about how the media, the tools that we use for the externalization, of biological functions and manufacturing them for social use, for example, a camera is like externalizing our eye or, our houses like externalizing our skin.
6:29
Rick: And all these different stages, we go through cars with their wheels.
6:33
Rick: The wheel is like externalizing our feet and these things are not unnatural.
6:39
Rick: And this is a basic McLuhan concept.
6:42
Rick: How can we create something that is unnatural?
6:46
Rick: It would be like saying, honey is unnatural.
6:48
Rick: I mean, it didn't exist.
6:50
Rick: Before bees created it.
6:53
Rick: But bees are part of nature and therefore what they create is nature also.
6:58
Rick: And we have this illusion that really didn't begin to propagate until the age of enlightenment, until the, you know, 18th century when we began to think that we were above it all and we began to.
7:11
Rick: Detach ourselves from nature back to McLuhan.
7:15
Rick: The technology that kind of proliferate, proliferated, from the mid 15th century, 16th, 17th into the 18th century was what may have been the first mass produced item ever.
7:27
Rick: And that was the book.
7:29
Rick: And so as we developed these mass-produced books, which we, we held and we looked at and we read about things, this was part of our detachment from nature.
7:40
Rick: Cuz instead of being infused in nature, we were actually looking at it from a distance.
7:46
Rick: And McCluen points out that, you know, around the time that Gutenberg, printed the first printing press printed the Bible, which was in the mid 1450s, 1455.
7:57
Rick: And incidentally, that was the year of a Uranus, Pluto conjunction.
8:04
Rick: So this is, technology and we don't think of the books as technology, but boy, you know, a mechanized printing of a book was a huge technology, but it, enforced the separation between self and environment and also the rise of, perspective in art.
8:21
Rick: Even also the rise of nationalism because, because nations have to have ideologies with perspectives that separate each nation from, from one another.
8:33
Rick: And of course, the key to understanding all of this and why this is so important now that we're on the brink, of externalizing our.
8:41
Rick: Awareness, our consciousness, our intelligence, is that one of McClean's earlier books called the Gutenberg Galaxy.
8:50
Rick: McClean's basic breakthrough was that when, when we create media, it's less important what we're reading.
9:03
Rick: It's less important what we're watching on tv.
9:08
Rick: It's less important what, what is contained in a movie than it is we are watching or reading a book versus watching TV versus being on the internet.
9:22
Rick: His claim was that the medium.
9:25
Rick: Is the message, the content he said was unimportant.
9:28
Rick: It's, it's what the medium was that changed the ratios of our sense organs.
9:34
Rick: So that with the books seeing is believing.
9:37
Rick: But now that we are moving out of the age of the, of, of book consciousness or book, using that as our primary input tool into a world of digital, electronic, media, seeing is no longer believing.
9:50
Rick: McLuhan said that we have externalized our brain.
9:55
Rick: And with the beginnings, which was occurring just prior to his death, it at the beginnings of what became the worldwide web, what McLuhan said was that we've actually created an exo nervous system.
10:12
Rick: Now, why is this so important?
10:15
Rick: It's because every time we externalize a biological function into a new technology or medium, we feel inherent.
10:25
Rick: Psychological pain for the loss of that function.
10:30
Rick: You know, when a camera became the predominant way of capturing the visual reality, all those who were trained for years in techniques that had to do with painting, all of a sudden painting became irrelevant.
10:44
Rick: And so I think that a lot of the fear that's stemming up around the, potential of artificial intelligence, I think has to do with this inherent fear of any new technology and, and the pain that we fear from, from losing it.
10:59
Rick: So that's a food for thought at the beginning of this discussion.
11:03
Rick: but there's several other perspectives that I think we need to bring into it Also.
11:07
Joe: Yeah, no, for sure.
11:08
Joe: And I honestly, I I love that you bring this up, this idea that, as creatures from nature, we cannot create anything that's outside of nature, cuz that's always like a, a philosophical framework that, that I work with.
11:21
Joe: And it always puzzles me actually, the, the fact that, there is such an antagonistic sentiment towards the things that we've created ourselves.
11:29
Rick: I'm certainly, an environmentalist.
11:32
Rick: However, I think that one cannot make a case.
11:37
Rick: For, plastic being unnatural.
11:40
Rick: I'm not saying it's healthy to carbon-based life form.
11:43
Rick: I certainly am careful with my use of plastics and I recycle the best that I can in this crazy, culture that we, that we live in.
11:52
Rick: And I don't like the idea of plastics not being able to break down.
11:57
Rick: But we don't know what nature's evolutionary scheme is.
12:02
Rick: And to say that plastics are.
12:04
Rick: Unnatural, is really a, anthropomorphic human kind of bias because we don't know that nature is ultimately gravitating towards non-carbon based life forms that may be able to live hundreds or thousands of years as we move to more stable or things that don't break down.
12:25
Rick: I mean, I'm not saying this is it.
12:27
Rick: I'm just saying that we're so limited in how we see things.
12:30
Rick: I mean, even coming back to the idea that, that we are afraid of what's next in evolution or we think that evolution has occurred for hundreds of millions of years, and now we've reached the stage of intelligence and of humans doing what we do, and now evolution is over.
12:51
Rick: I mean, it was Frederick Nietzsche who talked about, Overman or the Superman, which not Superman from the comics, but this idea that w in our current state of evolution, humans are basically a stopping point in between what was, let's say, other mammals, whether they be, monkeys or, or, or chimps or whatever, and what may come next.
13:19
Rick: But we are not the final place of evolution.
13:22
Rick: Why do we think evolution is gonna stop at this point?
13:25
Rick: And so I think artificial intelligence comes into this discussion from that perspective.
13:31
Rick: And, you know, I I should also point out that Marshall McClellan, posited the idea that for those people who think machines are.
13:40
Rick: Not natural he said, what if machines were actually the development of evolution in a new phylum?
13:48
Rick: You know, we have vertebrates and invertebrates, but in the vertebrates we have different, orders on, on, on the, uh, tree of evolution.
13:55
Rick: And what if human beings were like the honeybee to the phylum machinists, like bees keep the flowers fertilized.
14:08
Rick: Maybe part of our role in the bigger scheme of nature is keeping the machinist phylum fertilized.
14:15
Rick: And again, I'm not here to sell these points.
14:17
Rick: I'm just here to open our minds so that we don't close ourselves down to the fear of what's around the corner.
14:24
Joe: If we're also thinking about creating a, a, a body made out of a machine that is completely removed from like the natural ways that things have been in the past, that's also a way of separating ourselves from nature.
14:40
Joe: So do you think that the, overarching fear is more so about, Like a, a lack of, of power
14:50
Rick: I actually think that people, don't, they don't miss the control of nature.
14:55
Rick: They miss the illusion of the control of nature.
14:58
Rick: That, again, has to do with this patriarchal thing of separating us from nature and then basically having dominance over it as if we were some sort of lords, o o of it.
15:08
Rick: I think that this fear of technology goes back.
15:13
Rick: To before Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to humans.
15:21
Rick: There's a part of me, as much as I am a technophile, I have a hard time.
15:25
Rick: I don't use my microwave ovens, you know, and I can't help but think that if I was alive when fire was first tamed back in the, whatever geological age it was of, of early, hominids, for all I know, I might have been the one that said, fire, I'm not gonna put that near my meat.
15:43
Rick: Who knows?
15:43
Rick: That might kill us.
15:44
Rick: And then when we get up to the 18th century, we had this whole anti industrial.
15:50
Rick: Movement of, the Luddites, you know, who would not accept new technology.
15:55
Rick: And obviously new technology is going to continue marching on us one way or another.
16:02
Rick: It's part of the evolutionary process.
16:05
Rick: And incidentally, close to more like 55 years ago or so.
16:11
Rick: I wrote a little couplet, a two line poem that actually I think is, stands the test of time.
16:19
Rick: And it goes like this, science fiction has become science faction, but look at the robots.
16:27
Rick: They have no reaction.
16:30
Rick: You know, it used to be that science and science fiction were two very different things.
16:35
Rick: we easily forget that science fiction is the result of Neptune.
16:41
Rick: It's imagination meeting Uranus technology, and in fact, it's the ideas from the great works of science fiction.
16:51
Rick: That actually become science.
16:54
Rick: So again, and again and again, we see things in science fiction, fiction that actually become fact.
17:00
Rick: Now, for anyone who is a fan of, late 20th, early 21st century science fiction, you know that there is a wide range of stories, of novels, of series on what I call the, the ongoing galactic.
17:20
Rick: Battle between the orgs, O R G S and the Mex, m e c h s.
17:29
Rick: And the orgs are organic forms of life, carbon based life forms, as are we.
17:36
Rick: And the Mex are non-carbon based life forms.
17:41
Rick: And these two different branches of evolution in many science fiction stories over tens of thousands of years, kind of continue their battle for the supremacy, of the cosmos.
17:55
Rick: So I think here on planet Earth, although I would imagine this is not a new story in the cosmos itself, that here on planet earth, we are kind of well into the beginnings of this, I think repeated, battle between the orgs, evolving to a point where they begin to create interfaces.
18:21
Rick: I mean, see, Artificial intelligence isn't separate from, artificial reality or from what we call augmented reality.
18:29
Rick: We've developed the ability by using computer related, devices to give people hear they couldn't hear before, or to give them sight where they couldn't see before by corneal implants or cochlear implants.
18:42
Rick: And of course, there's, we're on the edge of doing the same thing with neurological implants, in various parts of the body.
18:50
Rick: And certainly the concept of even, downloading consciousness.
18:54
Rick: I mean, all this stuff is frightening.
18:56
Rick: But then again, remember that people in the 1890s wouldn't get into cars in the early 19 hundreds cuz they felt that moving faster than 20 or 30 miles an hour would kill you.
19:08
Joe: I did have, a question about Pluto, cuz we, we talked about Pluto earlier and how Pluto going into Aquarius can be like a, a little bit of like a, a herald to all of these technological
19:20
Rick: things.
19:20
Rick: It, it, it absolutely is.
19:22
Rick: Or, I, I shouldn't say absolutely, but it, it appears that it is.
19:27
Rick: Yeah.
19:27
Joe: And so, one thing that people always talk about, when they're talking about Pluto is this idea of like the underworld and like the fears and the shadows and all of that.
19:37
Joe: Is there a different, is there a different side of Pluto than we might see as we go into this, uh, Pluto and Aquarius transit?
19:45
Rick: And before I answer that, I just wanna also respond to Priscilla who said, machines can't survive without humans.
19:52
Rick: That may.
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Rick: Or may not be true.
19:55
Rick: We don't know what in the future the capability of artificial intelligence in, in computers might lead to, but just there are plenty of examples in nature.
20:07
Rick: I mean, the entire flower community would not survive without the bee, you know, and of course there's another whole evolutionary problem that we're facing now with mass extinction of bees.
20:19
Rick: But that's a separate thing.
20:21
Rick: I, I think that, that, yes, Pluto is related to the shadow and to the unconscious, but remember the process is shining the light of awareness.
20:32
Rick: Into the shadow.
20:34
Rick: And once it's in awareness, then it's no longer in the shadow.
20:38
Rick: I mean, this is why we do therapy.
20:40
Rick: This is why, you know, why we study those topics that are hidden or that are difficult.
20:45
Rick: It's why we go underground, in the realms of our, of our mind.
20:50
Rick: Just because something is shadowed does not mean it's bad.
20:53
Rick: It just means we don't know about it yet.
20:57
Joe: Yeah.
20:57
Joe: And to that, I also wanted to, bring another comment that Priscilla sent cuz she said, machines can't survive without humans, but humans can survive without machines.
21:09
Rick: I would doubt what Priscilla said, that we can't survive without machines if by we, she means her.
21:16
Rick: Joe, Rick and everyone here on this call because if machines were to, evaporate off the planet overnight, we would all be dead in a week or two.
21:26
Rick: We would have no distribution of goods.
21:28
Rick: We would have no ability to survive.
21:31
Rick: And so we are no longer the species that we were when we were surviving without machines.
21:39
Rick: And yet there is.
21:41
Rick: The idea of self-replicating machines, I mean, the whole world of nanotechnology, which is the atomic level of creating machines as small as the atoms themselves.
21:52
Rick: And with the newer developments of things like, chains of Buckminster Fullerenes, these are these complex carbon, chains, that actually have a stronger tensile strength than steel.
22:05
Rick: We don't have a clue as to what's around the corner any more than someone growing up in the sixties as I did, had a clue of what life would be like with a cell phone, an iPad, a computer, and the worldwide web.
22:22
Rick: These things were just beyond our imagination because, because there was no way to envision them.
22:28
Rick: And I'm suggesting that that same order of magnitude change.
22:32
Rick: Over the next 20 or 30 years, as Pluto moves through Aquarius, will be upon us.
22:38
Rick: And we have no way of even guessing as to what it might be, because those developments exist outside of our current linear way of thinking.
22:48
Rick: And I think that the Pluto and Aquarius is a big piece of it.
22:51
Rick: But you know, remember, Aquarius, the sign of Aquarius is it's, first of all, it's a Saturn ruled sign ultimately.
22:59
Rick: But the Uranian connection to it is the, the dance between Saturn and Uranus is interesting because Saturn is the absolute ultimate boundary.
23:09
Rick: You know, for thousands of years you couldn't go beyond Saturn.
23:12
Rick: Saturn was finality.
23:14
Rick: And Uranus just basically, Busted that with one stroke of intellectual lightning.
23:20
Rick: Boom.
23:21
Rick: See it?
23:21
Rick: Oh my god.
23:22
Rick: You know, our little local community is three ti of the, of, in the solar system is three times longer than we thought it was.
23:30
Rick: It went from 29 years to 84 years.
23:33
Rick: Um, as to, you know, the things that, that cycle.
23:36
Rick: And so the important thing here to understand with Pluto and Aquarius is that Aquarius related to Uranus, is connected to technology.
23:46
Rick: It's connected to electricity.
23:48
Rick: And here's the fascinating thing because it was, Galvan, the, uh, Italian, experimenter working with electricity, who took electrodes on a dead frog, on, on either end of its leg and the leg twitched like it was alive.
24:04
Rick: And that was the first time any anyone had any idea that the nervous system within the body, Is run.
24:13
Rick: Is animated by the same thing that animates Lightning, which was Ben Franklin's observation, with, the kite experiment showing that lightning was electricity.
24:25
Rick: So as Pluto moves into Aquarius, I think we're going to be exposed to a previously.
24:33
Rick: Hidden Pluto realm of what electricity really is.
24:39
Rick: We think we know what it is because we're able to, to send it through wires and transform its frequencies and turn it into, computers and CD players and radios and, and, and, and all kinds of gadgets.
24:55
Rick: But I think that we may be in for some real surprises as Pluto goes through, uh, Aquarius as we begin to learn some very, uh, hidden and deeper secrets about what electricity really is and, and how it works.
25:11
Joe: You talked about Neptune going into Aries and you talked about Uranus going into Gemini as well.
25:16
Joe: I realize that all of these are signs are like sex style one another and then Pluto will be also trying to Uranus during that time.
25:24
Joe: Do you think at around that time, there's the possibility that we'll learn to collaborate with AI a little bit more
25:30
Rick: first of all, the A in AI is bullshit.
25:34
Rick: It's not artificial.
25:36
Rick: It's just not within our own brain.
25:38
Rick: But then again, when I Google something and ask for the, um, etymology of the word hippopotamus, that's not within my own brain either.
25:48
Rick: That's artificial intelligence based upon the idea of it's not human-based.
25:55
Rick: And I think that it's the words artificial intelligence aren't, aren't quite right.
26:00
Rick: Like for decades we used the letters UFOs to be unidentified flying objects.
26:06
Rick: And now they're UAPs, unidentified, aerial phenomena.
26:12
Rick: Because we don't know what they are.
26:14
Rick: But, I think another piece of the Pluto into Aquarius and the larger shift into the age of Aquarius, that's still a good century down the road.
26:25
Rick: And that has to do with what we're now, what's now in the spotlight that we're calling artificial intelligence, is actually just one piece of a complex of augmenting our sense of reality by use of external media.
26:43
Rick: And also coming to grips with the notion, with the reality that just like we thought Earth used to be the only we, we thought that our solar system, our sun was the only star that had planets going around it.
26:59
Rick: And over the past, 15, 20 years, we've come to realize that almost every star has a, has a planetary system.
27:08
Rick: And we're still living in this isolated bubble on this far, far, far outer, rim on the Sagittarius arm of the Milky Way galaxy, thinking that we're the only intelligent species, in the world, But the point is that as we talk about AI or artificial intelligence, I think we also have to grapple with the notion that we are on the cusp of being confronted in a very large scale manner, of the fact that, there have been.
27:40
Rick: Non-terrestrial, forms of intelligence, here on the planet for as long as we've been here.
27:47
Rick: And when I say non-terrestrial, it's really a, a jump because we don't know whether they're non-terrestrial or whether they are terrestrial from some place in the future.
28:00
Rick: That can't materialize fully here, or some we don't, we don't understand.
28:03
Rick: We don't know.
28:04
Rick: And anyone who says they know, doesn't know either.
28:08
Rick: But when you dig into what's going on in those realms, it's very obvious that there's lots of conflicting, information sets lots of, varieties of non-terrestrial intelligences, each with their own agendas and how we.
28:28
Rick: Not only how we confront that as more and more people realize that the, that they are out there, but also as we re begin to realize that as we're told that they're out there by government scientists, whatever, we may be given very narrow stories that protect someone's interests in all of this.
28:49
Rick: And I think that AI has to be taken as part of a much larger shift especially once Uranus moves into Gemini, while Pluto is still in Aquarius and Neptune pushing the edges of Aries moving our imagination into totally new grounds.
29:08
Rick: I think that we may have to grapple with the fact that, that what we call artificial intelligence is simply one fragment of a much larger perspective that we have maybe since the early mid sixties been opening our minds to, understanding.
29:26
Joe: I love that we went on this intelligence, tangent that reminds me of the work of this sociologist called, Elena Esposito, I think.
29:33
Joe: Her whole paper is, on this question about AI and the name that we gave ai.
29:39
Joe: She says that like artificial intelligence is not, is kind of misleading in a way, cuz it's not literally intelligence, but it's more so artificial communication.
29:49
Joe: And, and I think that in that, in that model that you're describing, it makes sense that we're starting with communication as like the, the, the first sort of step into that journey and how that, uh, will continue to evolve into much more, I guess diverse in, in tangible ways.
30:05
Joe: Really, taking it out of the computer even and, and creating and having these, these beings, really be a full on part of our, like our, our day-to-day life in a much more active and intelligent way,
30:18
Rick: yeah.
30:19
Rick: Uh, yeah, and I think that even the word artificial, it actually comes from, from a Latin word that means, handicraft, interestingly enough.
30:30
Rick: And so that something that's artificial is something that is not natural or spontaneous.
30:37
Rick: I mean, it, in other words, it's made by man.
30:40
Rick: The definition of artificial, I, I looked up a while back and it's basically artificial means that it was contrived by, human skill and, and or human labor.
30:53
Rick: So the, the question is, is anything that's made by, by any form of life, um, is that automatically artificial?
31:04
Rick: Meaning is honey artificial?
31:07
Rick: You know, and I think that the honey connection I think is an important one because bees obviously, through their, through some evolutionary process, discovered, uh, away, um, to take the pollen of, of flowers and turn it through some sort of magical hive, uh, process into this elixir that never spoils.
31:37
Rick: Bacteria can't grow on honey.
31:39
Rick: It, you could have honey sitting out on a, on a shelf, you know, for 50 years and it'll be just as good in 50 years as it was on day one.
31:47
Rick: Now, is honey artificial or is it natural?
31:50
Rick: Well, it's natural because we didn't make it.
31:52
Rick: But what makes it so important that we think we.
31:56
Rick: Are the, the determination of whether something is artificial or not.
32:00
Rick: I think that we kind of often are at the effect of a misunderstanding of the language and what and what things actually mean.
32:11
Rick: Now, does that mean, does everything we're talking about here mean that we shouldn't have some awareness?
32:18
Rick: Around misuses of technology.
32:21
Rick: Um, because whether technology is natural or artificial, obviously it can, because of the, the, the evolutionary level that humans have attained of their intellect, obviously we can invent shit that is really bad and will kill us all pretty quickly.
32:41
Rick: And that's where the danger comes in.
32:44
Rick: And this is where the, the battle comes in and I hear people saying, oh no, it's really great, that we've all already, you know, got governments looking at artificial intelligence before it really spreads and they're trying to figure out ways to limit its growth and to make sure that it doesn't evolve into something that'll kill us all and take us all over.
33:05
Rick: And I say, oh yeah, you mean like they did with glyphosate?
33:08
Rick: Or, you know, um, or other poisons in our environment.
33:12
Rick: Uh, um, you know, there, I read an article today that there are over 10,000 different, what they call forever, you know, uh, poisons like the, you know, the, the PFSs, the, you know, the, uh, the, the various forms of complex chains that do not, do not disintegrate.
33:30
Rick: And they're in all of our water supplies already.
33:33
Rick: So, you know, the idea that government is gonna step in and protect us.
33:37
Rick: Doesn't seem like it's, you know, like it's necessarily gonna happen.
33:42
Rick: I mean, it's never happened before.
33:44
Rick: Why should it happen now?
33:46
Joe: That is a very good point, and that's also a good segue into something else that I saw in the comments and also another.
33:53
Joe: Major sentiment that I keep seeing in like the comments of Australia Cha as a whole is this comment that Hanon just, uh, just posted.
34:01
Joe: And also Caroline eo, I hope I'm saying that right, but Hanon says it would be nice to have a machine to be the garden and then
34:09
Rick: Wait, wait, wait.
34:10
Rick: Let, let me stop you right there.
34:11
Rick: Yeah.
34:11
Rick: Okay.
34:11
Rick: Okay.
34:12
Rick: Uh, because those machines already exist.
34:15
Rick: I've seen demonstrations of them that farmers, I'm talking about large scale factory, not, not animal farms, but large scale like corn plant, plantations, corn farms and, and wheat farms and so on.
34:29
Rick: They actually have machines now that can move over the course of, of days through acres and acres and acres and these things that carry these wide, like think maybe 20 rows of corn wide that can go through and identify the weeds.
34:47
Rick: And zap them with lasers, like, like, like just, and, and it just, it.
34:55
Rick: So there are already those machines, not in the future, but in existence.
35:02
Rick: So,
35:03
Joe: Yeah.
35:03
Joe: Awesome.
35:04
Joe: And I, I'll just add Caroline's or Caroline's, uh, comment to that.
35:09
Joe: Cause, uh, she says it needs, it needs to be used with caution, just like stones and knives.
35:14
Joe: Cool tools.
35:15
Joe: Cool tools.
35:15
Joe: And the reason why I wanted to go in that direction is because there's also a, a, another concern that comes with the, the whole AI narrative.
35:25
Joe: That, AI is so alive and so intelligent that maybe it is conscious and what are the ethics of us, just giving this being a whole bunch of tasks that we don't want to do.
35:37
Joe: And of course, whenever I hear that, I also think about, like you're saying, Aquarius and how it's ruled by Saturn and how Saturn can sometimes be associated with really like, um, domineering sort of things and being like bossy on top of another thing.
35:52
Joe: Um, so like humans being bossing over these poor AI creatures, I think that that's also another narrative that people are concerned about.
36:00
Joe: Do you think that, that will continue to be more tangible as Pluto traverses through a aqua guess.
36:09
Joe: Or do you think this is just, another sign of the times and like the uncertainty surrounding the technology?
36:16
Rick: Yes.
36:17
Rick: Um, you know, all these questions are unanswerable, um, in binary yes, no, uh, form because they're very complicated questions and they get to the root of, of, of what we are and who we are and what we're doing here.
36:36
Rick: And I think that Pluto's movement through Aquarius and then through Pisces, by the time we get to Pluto, moving into Aries, I think we may, we may be ready to answer some of those questions, but I think right now we don't have a clue.
36:50
Rick: I say we, I mean everyone except for me.
36:53
Rick: And I say that totally tongue in cheek because I think all of us feel that we individually have a sense of what the truth is based on our experience, but, I think that the problem is that, our sense of reality changes, and again, environments are, are invisible.
37:13
Rick: A couple of hundred years ago with maybe with, with very rare exceptions of people with, with domesticated animals, domesticated animals weren't given human attributes.
37:26
Rick: Um, uh, and I I don't mean that they weren't given human attributes.
37:30
Rick: They weren't, they weren't treated with, with necessarily the same respect that we might treat a sibling or a parent or a child.
37:39
Rick: And yet many people do that.
37:40
Rick: And I'm not criticizing that in any way, shape, or form.
37:44
Rick: I'm just saying that we look at the external world through.
37:47
Rick: Our reality of what we think, consciousness or life is.
37:52
Rick: And the fact of the matter is that scientists are moving slowly toward the inescapable, conclusion that consciousness is everywhere.
38:05
Rick: And the fact of the matter is what this has to do with the concept of augmented reality, artificial intelligence, aliens, whether machines have, you know, have consciousness or could have consciousness, and do they have to be treated morally as a living being?
38:21
Rick: Um, all of these questions are real except.
38:27
Rick: We are not any more real, you know, than the consciousness in agra, a piece of granite.
38:35
Rick: We just live in a timescale framework that we acknowledge and we, you know, know each other and, and, and interact with each other.
38:42
Rick: Um, but I think that part of Pluto moving through Aquarius is gonna be way more than grappling with artificial intelligence, or whatever you wanna call it, externalized awareness.
38:54
Rick: If maybe that, maybe that's a better, uh, we, maybe we should call it ea, not evolutionary astrology, but externalized awareness.
39:02
Rick: I like that cause awareness because awareness will become, in our lifetimes externalized, although it always has been, we are not aware of it because we live under the illusion that everything that we perceive is our perspective, our point, uh, view, and of course as astrologers, if we believe that as above, so below the within of things is as the without of things we know.
39:29
Rick: We're just surfing on a nodal interaction between the very high frequency microcosmic waves and the very low free frequency macrocosmic planetary waves, and where those waves meet, they create interference patterns that create our awareness.
39:49
Rick: The without, you know, and the within are not causally related.
39:55
Rick: They're the same thing.
39:57
Rick: We're just at the middle of it, and it's easier to imagine that the big things make the small things happen.
40:04
Rick: The fact of the matter is that the, that the very big and the very small, the macrocosm and the microcosm, the planetary realm and the subatomic realm are in fact harmonics of one another and the two are the same.
40:19
Rick: And artificial intelligence or, and you brought up the word transhumanism.
40:24
Rick: The other word that corresponds with that is a word called posthumanism.
40:29
Rick: And it's very apparent to me that within the next 20, 30 years, we're gonna be grappling with the fact that we have two species of humanoids living on the planet, Whether or not that occurs within our lives or ever occurs, the fact is that we are gravitating into, into two different species.
40:51
Rick: And one of them will be forever trying to reclaim.
40:57
Rick: The, illusion of perfection in the past, Freud called that infantile regression.
41:03
Rick: Those who will not move into the future, and in fact will want to kill or eliminate or, or suppress or jail, or in some way restrict those who are moving into the future.
41:17
Rick: And those who actually move into the future now is one right?
41:22
Rick: And the other wrong?
41:23
Rick: No, we're talking Saturn and Uranus.
41:25
Rick: If you can't figure out a way to mediate the old and the new, the past and the future, then we're in trouble.
41:31
Rick: Whichever end of the spectrum that you're on, if it's extreme.
41:34
Joe: That also even brings to mind, um, Capricorn and Aquarius and the whole like Saturn dynamic of like the past and the future.
41:42
Joe: Well, look, it's very interesting.
41:43
Joe: Look, the, the fact
41:44
Rick: of the matter is that every time a new planet is discovered, it takes away something from an old planet.
41:51
Rick: We think of Saturn related.
41:53
Rick: We most modernists think of Saturn related to Capricorn and Uranus related to Aquarius.
41:58
Rick: What they don't understand is that until Uranus came along, Saturn wasn't only the rule maker and the, and, and that, and those people who had to conform to those rules.
42:11
Rick: That Saturn was also the scientist who knew enough about the rules that they knew where they could be stretched and or broken and, and until Uranus came along, scientific breakthrough and medical doctors and scientists were all Saturnian ruled.
42:27
Rick: But we moderns don't frame it that way because the newer planets fragment off that part of the, you know, of the discussion as Pluto did for Mars.
42:36
Rick: And the same can be true with Jupiter and, and Neptune.
42:40
Rick: Um, and, and someone a, a bit back in the chat room, and I'm sorry I can't say who it is, said that, you know, we're basically doomed with dealing with tech technology unless we can increase our emotional intelligence.
42:52
Rick: And I think here, this is a very key point.
42:54
Rick: It is emotional intelligence, but it's even a step beyond that.
42:59
Rick: It has to do with not.
43:02
Rick: The fall of the patriarchy and a re rising of a matriarchy.
43:07
Rick: It's about a balancing between these two energies, whether you call them yang and yin, or whether you call'em plus and minus within and without, however you wanna define them, but it's not.
43:21
Rick: About the patriarchy being terrible and the matriarchy being amazing.
43:26
Rick: It's not just about emotional intelligence, it's about a balancing of fire, earth, air, water, emotional intelligence, really being air and water, because intelligence is air and emotions are water.
43:40
Rick: But we also have the whole practical side, the earth side, you know, which are also, you know, uh, uh, astrologically feminine energies.
43:48
Rick: And, and, and we, uh, as a species are not very practical.
43:52
Rick: And so it's not just about water intelligence, it's also about earth intelligence too, that we need to incorporate reincorporate, reintegrate, into the picture.
44:04
Rick: And hopefully we can do that.
44:05
Rick: I think that we just need to pay attention, and, and, and, and be as aware as we can, as we move forward and understand that, that there, that there is no sign that is bad, nor is there a sign that is good.
44:22
Rick: There are signs that describe different.
44:25
Rick: Energy constructs.
44:27
Rick: And with Pluto and Aquarius, we have a lot to learn about the higher order of conceptual intelligence.
44:35
Rick: And it is neither all shadow, nor is it all unicorns and rainbows.
44:42
Joe: That is the best quote in the world.
44:46
Joe: I need that in a shirt.
44:47
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44:49
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44:52
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44:57
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45:01
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45:09
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45:18
Joe: We have Astrology Foundations, level one two N three, which takes you from like the very basics of astrology all the way to working with harmonics and interpreting them, we have astrology for relationships, what else do we have Rick?
45:32
Rick: Two chart reading, extravaganzas.
45:34
Rick: We have another one coming up in September, I think.
45:36
Rick: We also have a, workshop, on Quin COEs and Right.
45:40
Rick: Um, yeah.
45:42
Rick: And, and, and more to come.
45:44
Joe: Yeah, of course.
45:45
Joe: And so there you have it, guys, if you wanna learn more with Rick, you know where to go.
45:51
Joe: And thank you for joining us today.
45:53
Joe: This was such a great conversation.
45:55
Joe: I had, uh, a, a blast.
45:57
Joe: Rick, thank you so much.
45:58
Rick: And thank you as always as astrology hub Amanda in her absence.
46:03
Rick: Joe in your presence and everyone else for participating in these discussions, you are the ones that make these things possible.
46:11
Rick: Definitely.
46:12
Joe: Yes.
46:13
Joe: All right guys.
46:13
Joe: I'll see you guys on the next episode.
46:16
Joe: Bye-bye.