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From Painkillers to Peptides: How Adam Hannah Got His Life Back · White Coat Black Sheep

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  Welcome to White Coat, Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets
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  uncomfortable. I'm your host, Dr. Sevelli.
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  Today, we talk about science and physiology with a
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  really amazing guest.
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  His name is Adam Hannah. We talk about different peptides and
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  his weight loss journey, and just different things that
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  when they're in your awareness, you can fix them. So join us.
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  I know you're going to love it. Check it out, White Coat, Black Sheep.
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  Thank you for joining me today, Adam.
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  You're welcome.
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  How's it going?
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  It's going good.
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  What brings you into the office? I am so happy
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  to have you here, and I know a little bit about your background,
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  but I would love to hear more from you.
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  Well, depending on what you're wanting to go with, obviously, like
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  we've stated, I've been in the oil and gas industry for about 20 years or
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  so.
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  Awesome.
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  I'm obviously dealing with some of my own personal disabilities from
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  being in the military
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  and working through those and trying to figure out how to get mobile
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  again-
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  Yep
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  ... has kind of
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  had me wander off into nature. You know what I mean?
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  I love that. Well, I like the wandering off into nature part.
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  Yep.
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  Which section of the military were you in?
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  I was in the Army.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah. Back in '06.
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  Okay. Wow.
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  So I went to Bakersfield College for one year-
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  Okay
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  ... and decided I didn't really know what I wanted to do, and that was-
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  Yeah
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  ... kind of where we branched off with that.
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  Okay.
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  So.
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  What I read a little bit about you, you mentioned
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  peptides in the bio.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So tell me how involved and what area of
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  peptides do you enjoy or do you get into?
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  Well, I'll tell you kind of how it started.
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  So, since 2008 is when I got discharged from the
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  military for some leg issues and back issues, and then
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  obviously I lost my hearing in my left ear.
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  Okay.
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  So obviously, I have the loud ringing in both ears and all that, so-
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  Always? All the time?
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  Yeah, all the time.
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  Ugh.
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  Yeah. It's miserable.
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  But as I've gotten older and with the line of work that I do and all that, just
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  having the right leg issue or right knee issue has caused hip issues,
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  back issues, you name it. I live with migraines now.
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  On average, I get three to five a month, and it's-
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  Awful
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  ... to the point where it almost feels like you don't want to move, right?
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  Yeah.
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  So,
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  when they start you off, they'll start you off on the little stuff like
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  anti-inflammatories, ibuprofen, stuff like that.
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  Yeah.
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  And it worked its way to where it was into like
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  hydrocodone,
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  Percocet, stuff like that to battle with the pain,
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  just to not have to do surgeries, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Because surgeries might be good temporarily, but as you age, they can
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  end up making things worse. So-
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  Yeah
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  ... I tried to stay away from that as long as possible.
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  One, just because you don't know the outcome 20 years from now, and you don't
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  know how it's going to
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  mess with you by taking time off from work or having to do disability,
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  and your income is going to adjust with that, so-
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  Yeah
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  ...
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  I got to the point where I
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  was putting on a lot of weight.
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  When I was in the military, I was between 200 and 205 pounds,
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  and then after the injury, I worked my way up to about 260 by the time I
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  discharged.
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  Wow.
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  And then, I think the heaviest I got was 320 pounds.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Yes.
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  When was that?
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  So that was right before COVID.
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  Okay.
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  And then-
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  2020
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  ... yeah, so 2020-ish.
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  Yeah.
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  And then COVID hit, and I was like, "I got to do something." I was trying to diet.
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  I was trying to work out. We started building a home gym for my son because
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  I pushed nutrition on my kids a lot more than-- Obviously, when I was growing up,
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  my parents didn't know anything about nutrition.
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  Yeah.
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  We would have a nutrition class in high school, but they don't teach you nothing.
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  Yeah.
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  Just
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  prerequisites gets you-
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  We all did the pyramid.
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  Yeah. Just to get you away from it, right?
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  Yeah.
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  So,
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  at the end of the day, I played sports.
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  I played basketball, football, baseball, wrestling.
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  I was able to lose weight, but-
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  You were active
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  ... but the problem was
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  the consumption, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Because at the end of the day, it is your metabolic rate.
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  It is-
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  Mm
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  ... calories in, calories out.
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  Yeah.
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  Right? I get it that everybody's calories out is different.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But, if I starve myself, eventually I'm going to be malnutrition and then die,
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  right?
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  Yeah.
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  So-
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  Yeah
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  ... you have to have an equal.
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  Yeah.
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  So it was like,
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  once you start having kids, you get to that point where you don't want to waste
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  food, so you take the couple pieces off and you're like, "I'll save it for later.
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  I'll snack on it."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And then my biggest problem was eating out of pain or
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  eating out of stress, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So,
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  I was getting to the point where doctors would say, "Only take three ibuprofen
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  in 24 hours." Yeah, that wasn't enough.
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  And then I would take hydrocodone, and then basically I was drugged out of my mind.
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  Yeah.
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  Or I couldn't work on it, and I-
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  Which wasn't the intention. It was just the pain that was driving that behavior.
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  Right. So-
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  Yeah
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  ... even right now,
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  if you ever sit in on my lives on TikTok or something, I'm always moving.
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  My back will get so stiff, it just starts shooting down my leg, shooting down my
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  arms.
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  The big thing that I deal with, the VA calls it radiculopathy.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I've looked into it and, it's the nerve compression coming out of your
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  vertebrae and all that.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I think there's a lot more to it because I get pains that I can't even
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  describe.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I just call them phantom pains.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, the big one I've been talking about with my wife lately is my pectoral muscle
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  will fall asleep.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I don't think it's a blood flow issue.
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  Yeah.
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  It's the way I'm sitting.
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  A lot of muscular guys actually have that with the entrapment of-
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  Yeah
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  ... this pathway right here.
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  Yep. No, and that's just recent. I've actually-
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  Getting older
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  ... so I've lost 90 pounds.
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  Wow.
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  And I've noticed that,
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  so I have herniated discs right behind my heart,
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  and I've noticed that the older I'm getting, the worse that's getting.
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  It doesn't matter what type of exercises I do.
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  It's like the way I sleep or something.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Because if I sleep a little crooked the night before, then I'm screwed for a
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  week.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And again, I can still take the ibuprofen.
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  It just kind of takes the edge off of it, helps with the inflammation.
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  But,
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  what got me started was obviously ...
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  thinking, "Okay, I've got to try to lose some weight."
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  So doctors always say when you go in, their number one thing is just stop
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  eating. You need to get the weight down.
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  Right? And-
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  Which is crazy to me,
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  because it's obviously a failed plan.
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  Yes.
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  Eat less and work out.
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  Yeah, definitely. Yes and no. So, I've always worked out.
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  I've always done physical work. I've, like I said, oil and gas.
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  I worked on drilling rigs for a long time.
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  I worked my way up all the way to pushing tools,
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  which is a rig manager.
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  Ended up separating off, now I'm on the backside in the gas
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  industry, so it's not as physically intensive anymore.
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  But my job was always labor. So,
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  swinging sledge hammers, working all day, rolling pipe.
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  It's very manly.
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  Yeah. I'm talking, you'd burn a lot of calories.
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  Yeah.
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  And then you're here in California, where everybody thinks it's sunshine and
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  beaches, right? But it's 115.
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  Pretty sunshiny.
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  Yeah, so
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  a lot of the work I traveled for in Coalinga, San Ardo,
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  even into Nevada and stuff. But Coalinga, it was 115 one year, and we were
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  working non-stop.
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  Outside.
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  Oh, yeah. Outside, right by them solar steam towers and everything.
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  So-
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  Did you just stay thirsty and dehydrated?
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  No, honestly, I've only dehydrated once.
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  And I promise I'll touch on that, because it is-
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  Yeah
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  ... it's affected my life. My life has never been the same.
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  Wow.
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  So, with 115 degrees, I handled it well when I was
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  younger.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I was burning a lot of calories.
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  Yep.
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  And obviously I was taking food, I was eating
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  pretty healthy.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But then, you're traveling all the time, so you're living out of hotels, you're
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  just trying to support your family.
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  Fast food. Yeah.
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  So you try to eat a little better by eating at restaurants.
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  But, how informed are you about calories that
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  are hidden in it?
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  Yeah.
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  Right? So you think-
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  Sauces
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  ... I'm just eating a pancake.
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  Yeah.
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  But I'm putting sugar-free syrup on it.
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  But how much-
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  Yeah
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  ... butter is in the pancake? How much fat, right?
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  Yes. Or the oils used.
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  Yeah. And that's where all the flavor comes from.
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  Yeah.
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  I may have been only eating twice a day, but they were very calorie
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  dense.
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  Yes.
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  So, I was staying about that 270, 265 range.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But I was probably consuming 5,000 calories a day.
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  Did you feel good or bad?
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  I just felt tired just because how many hours I was working, right?
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  Yeah.
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  And I work the same schedule now. We work a rotating shift.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So before, I'd work four on, four off, seven on, seven off.
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  Nights, days, they would kind of rotate.
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  Yeah.
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  Now I work what I would consider like a nurse's schedule.
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  Okay. Twelves.
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  Yeah. I work twelves, but it's very short. It's like two on, two off.
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  Okay.
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  Two on, three off, and then it rotates.
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  Yeah.
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  So it's not enough time to get your brain set back into it.
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  So-
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  You don't feel great.
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  So yeah, my body can feel okay, but my brain is shot.
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  Yeah.
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  So, I started struggling with that and I'm like, "What do I eat for the
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  energy?"
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  Yeah.
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  I can try eating high sugar stuff, stuff for
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  easily digestible, to get your glucose levels up and all that.
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  Yes.
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  And it just wasn't working. So I-
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  Yeah, you don't feel good like that
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  ... I was trying high protein diet. I tried the carnivore diet.
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  I lost a lot of weight on the carnivore diet, but it wasn't sustainable.
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  Yeah. I agree.
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  I was like, "I get it." I was like, "Obviously, I feel better, but now I got to
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  switch it up."
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  Yeah.
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  So then when you switch it up, now you start with the gut issues, because-
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  I was just thinking that. I was like, "Man."
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  So yeah. So you go from your body process and just lean meat to now-
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  Yeah
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  ... you got vegetables and fruit you're trying to throw back in there.
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  Higher fats as well.
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  Yeah, definitely.
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  Yeah.
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  So,
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  I just sat back and I was like, "This isn't going to work." So I went to the doctor
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  again. I go every three months.
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  I've been on testosterone replacement since 2020.
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  Okay.
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  Which has helped me out a lot. I dropped my initial 30 pounds by starting
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  testosterone.
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  I love it.
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  But the-
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  Your heart's probably happier.
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  Yes, but the problem was is with the medical industry,
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  doctors, they want you to only lose weight. That's like their catchall.
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  Not me.
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  Right? So, no, I get it.
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  Yeah.
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  And I would go to a doctor and I'm like, "Hey, I want to get my testosterone
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  checked. I'm almost 40, what's going on? Something's not right.
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  I have too low of energy."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And they're like, "Oh, no, between 300 and 800's normal."
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  Garbage.
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  And I'm like, "Normal to who?" Because what if my-
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  Thank you
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  ... what if my normal's 1,000?
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  Great question
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  So that's what like-
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  Says who?
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  Yeah. That's what irritates me is because that 300 to 800 is from 18 to
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  80.
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  You know what I mean? So-
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  And it's still not even the whole story.
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  It's like, how much is your free circulating bioactive-
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  Yeah
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  ... testosterone?
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  No, definitely.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's the other thing. They don't even, like right now, I go in every 90 days
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  for blood work, they don't even test my free.
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  And I'm like, "What's the point then?
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  I can be 1,000, but if my free is still nonexistent-
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  Yeah
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  ...
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  you're not getting it."
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  If I gave you half of a dollar bill, is that still like, does that matter?
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  Yeah. So-
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  No.
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  So, the first doctor I tried to see, I brought it up.
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  He refused to start me on it. So I was like, "You know what?
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  I'm not going to deal with the doctors."
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  This is insurance-based care.
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  Yep, insurance-based.
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  Got it.
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  So I was like, "You know what? I'm not going to do this.
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  I'm going to make some phone calls." And I called a gym bro.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I was like, "Hey, I need to try something because these doctors aren't doing it
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  for me."
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  Yeah.
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  I was like, "Something's not right."
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  Yeah.
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  "I'm willing to just shoot in the dark."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Two weeks after I started testosterone, it was like a light switch.
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  I was back to mowing the lawn. I felt energized, 7:00 in the
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  morning.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I did good on that for about a year.
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  But I think my total testosterone around that time was about 12 to
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  1,400.
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  Okay.
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  Because I was doing
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  200 milligrams a week.
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  Pretty standard.
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  Yeah, just standard, right?
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  Standard dose. Yeah.
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  And that's just from doing my own research and kind of-
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  Intramuscular.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah.
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  And, so I finally switched insurances and I went to a doctor
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  I used to see when I was a teenager through my parents' insurance.
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  Okay.
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  And they had a little more of my medical history, and I walked in there and I told
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  him, "Look, this is what I'm doing."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And he's like, "Well, let's get some blood work done." He's like, "I don't
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  necessarily like giving people TRT, but we do do it."
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  Ugh.
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  Right? And I said, "Well, I'm telling you..." I was honest with him.
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  I said, "Well, I'm telling you right now, I'm going to do it either way."
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  I love that
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  Yeah. I was like, I don't-
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  That's what it should be.
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  Yeah, no.
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  Yeah
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  And I'm just asking you for your guidance and your overwatch, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  To make sure things are staying healthy.
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  If not, then I'm-
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  Those are the safety points. I feel like I'm just the conduit of information.
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  Yeah.
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  So you're walking in, you know what you want, what you need, really.
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  Yep.
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  It's pretty simple.
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  And that's the crazy thing is why not try things?
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  Isn't that what medicine started with?
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  Yeah.
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  So, even with my wife, I'll tell her, I'll be like, "Hey,
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  something's wrong." And she'll have some sort of remedy she'll want to try.
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  And-
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  Do you go with it?
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  Most of the time I do. I'll cry about it for a little bit or whatever.
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  But I do listen, 98% of the time.
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  Mm-hmm. Good.
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  She'll have to kind of push me a little bit.
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  It's a good stat.
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  But I'm like-
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  Long life
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  I'm like, "Well, what happens if it doesn't work?"
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  Mm-hmm.
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  At least we tried, right? It could've, right? So that's how I look at life now.
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  It's just,
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  if what you're doing now doesn't work-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... let's try something different, because that different may work.
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  Yeah.
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  So,
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  after I ended up going through him, I started getting it prescribed after that
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  because he had me get off the testosterone for, I think, a month, and he sent
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  me to an endocrinologist. And like-
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  Ugh.
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  I know. It was kind of a headache there, too, because I couldn't even-
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  It's hard for me to hear because it's so normal
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  ... I couldn't even get the insurance to pay for it because I was at-
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  No
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  ... I was at 301.
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  Too young.
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  301.
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  But even if your numbers were strikingly low, like at
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  zero,
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  then the next thing would be like, "You're too young."
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  Right. Well, no, that's the other thing.
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  So, I ended up-
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  Yeah
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  ... getting my insurance to say they would cover it if I could get under 300
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  for three successful tests.
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  So-
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  I'm shocked that they even told you that
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  So, yeah. So I even ended up-
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  ... algorithm
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  ... yeah, I ended up calling them, and they said it had to be three successful
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  tests within 30 days, all done in the morning.
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  And they would never tell a doctor that, by the way.
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  We just have to like, "Oh, what are they thinking?"
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  Yeah, so after digging it-
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  Fill out forms
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  ... and I tried to figure out everything, right?
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  So,
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  I ended up doing like 295, 290, and my last one was 301.
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  Did you do anything intentional to lower your testosterone?
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  No, so the only thing I do is I work nights and days.
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  Oh, okay.
• 14:24
  So they told me the blood had to be done in the morning, so I would just do it on
• 14:27
  my night shift.
• 14:28
  Okay.
• 14:29
  That's the only time I had to work it, right?
• 14:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:33
  But again, I came in at like 295, 290, and then I came in at 301.
• 14:37
  The 301 caused it to where they wouldn't cover it.
• 14:39
  Oh my God. The fact that you even went through the pain
• 14:44
  work of calling multiple times-
• 14:46
  Mm-hmm
• 14:46
  ... and really as the client on the patient side, because a doctor, we
• 14:50
  advocate. We could call them so many times.
• 14:52
  They won't tell us exactly what they told you, so we have to guess what they want.
• 14:55
  See, that's crazy.
• 14:56
  It's crazy. And they all want something slightly different, but they do this.
• 14:59
  This is the game.
• 15:00
  Yeah.
• 15:00
  And so nobody will tell you that this is the game, but if you have a doctor who's
• 15:04
  highly motivated and patient advocate, we can just try, we
• 15:08
  can call, we can write up the forms, like, "Here's why they need it." And they're
• 15:12
  really like, we can write the best things that we know-
• 15:15
  Yeah
• 15:15
  ... that medically meet criteria, but it's not their criteria.
• 15:18
  Yeah.
• 15:18
  But on the patient side, you were persistent, you called, and then they finally
• 15:22
  did tell you, and then you made the changes.
• 15:25
  And even the taking the blood in the morning.
• 15:27
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:28
  That's random.
• 15:29
  Yeah. Well, because that's when men are highest in their testosterone, right?
• 15:32
  Theoretically, right?
• 15:33
  That's what I said. Everything's theoretical, right?
• 15:35
  Yes.
• 15:36
  I think of the medical field like engineers.
• 15:39
  Yeah.
• 15:39
  In a book, it should work. But when you-
• 15:41
  Yes
• 15:41
  ... go to put the bridge together, the bolts don't line up.
• 15:43
  Real life is like, "Yeah."
• 15:45
  It's off by-
• 15:46
  Yeah. So, again, working in the blue-collar industry, we all know that
• 15:50
  we deal with engineers on a daily basis.
• 15:52
  Yeah.
• 15:52
  In an office, everything looks pretty.
• 15:54
  Fundamentally.
• 15:55
  But you get out there and you're like, "What was this guy thinking?"
• 15:58
  Yes.
• 15:58
  So then you call them and you're like, "Hey, this isn't working." And they're like,
• 16:01
  "Yes, it is." And it's like-
• 16:02
  According to the math, it should
• 16:03
  ... "I'll send you some pictures."
• 16:05
  Yeah.
• 16:05
  "We're a foot short. I can't stretch pipe."
• 16:07
  Yes.
• 16:09
  So,
• 16:10
  once I ended up doing that, he was like, "You know what?
• 16:13
  I will prescribe your TRT, but you're obviously going to have to come out of
• 16:16
  pocket for it."
• 16:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:18
  And I'm like, "I don't care." I was like, "I'm already paying for it through a gym
• 16:21
  bro. I might as well just get it through you and have the oversight."
• 16:23
  Yeah.
• 16:24
  But the one good thing is insurance did cover my blood work every 90 days.
• 16:28
  That's good.
• 16:29
  Which is weird. They wouldn't cover the testosterone, but they'll cover the blood
• 16:32
  work.
• 16:33
  Yeah.
• 16:33
  So I was like-
• 16:35
  This is the game
• 16:35
  ... there's more to it, right?
• 16:36
  Oh, yeah.
• 16:37
  So, I did that for about two years.
• 16:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:40
  And I've been going back and forth with him because he lowered me from the
• 16:44
  200 milligrams a week to 150.
• 16:47
  What was the reason?
• 16:49
  He wanted to get me under the 1,100 mark.
• 16:51
  Ugh, chasing paperwork instead of person.
• 16:53
  Yeah. And that's what I-
• 16:54
  Hate it
• 16:54
  ... told him. I said-
• 16:55
  Hate it
• 16:55
  ... "I'm at 1,200. I feel phenomenal.
• 16:58
  Why would we adjust it?" I was like, "But you're the doctor, whatever.
• 17:01
  You're overseeing it. Let's try it." We went to the 150 a week, and it took a
• 17:05
  little bit of time, but it just wasn't enough.
• 17:07
  I was like, "I feel like I'm close to right back where I was at."
• 17:11
  So, he upped it to 175. That's where I've been at for four
• 17:14
  years. That keeps me right at that 950 or 1,000 mark.
• 17:18
  I love that we were afraid of the 200 because the paper was like-
• 17:21
  Yeah
• 17:22
  ... it's chasing the paper.
• 17:23
  Yeah, and that's what bothers me a lot.
• 17:26
  Garbage.
• 17:27
  I stick to it. I don't go and do the 200. I stay at the 175.
• 17:31
  I just go to my doctor's appointments, and I tell them, "I don't feel it's enough.
• 17:34
  I don't care if I have to donate blood.
• 17:36
  I have no problem with that." Obviously, I'm poking myself.
• 17:39
  An 18-gauge needle to donate blood every six months is not a big deal.
• 17:43
  Is the blood donation based on-
• 17:45
  Off of the red blood count
• 17:46
  ... so your hemoglobin-
• 17:48
  Yeah
• 17:48
  ... rises.
• 17:49
  I end up getting to like 18 or 18.5.
• 17:51
  Perfect. Do you snore?
• 17:53
  I do. I sleep with a-
• 17:54
  Feels like it.
• 17:54
  Yeah. I sleep with a CPAP.
• 17:56
  Yeah.
• 17:56
  I have for, I think since 2019.
• 17:59
  You're not fully titrated then. If I'm your doctor, I would already be
• 18:03
  having this conversation.
• 18:04
  Yeah, they don't do that.
• 18:06
  It's 101.
• 18:07
  It's in and out, right?
• 18:08
  Yeah.
• 18:09
  And that's the other thing is even when we have my wife go to have her hormones
• 18:12
  checked, obviously, getting things checked for pre-menopause, menopause, stuff like
• 18:16
  that-
• 18:17
  Yeah
• 18:17
  ... they just look at us like we're dumb.
• 18:19
  Because they don't know how to do it-
• 18:20
  And I'm like-
• 18:21
  ... to be frank.
• 18:21
  Yeah, no, and I understand that.
• 18:23
  Yeah.
• 18:23
  But just simply say, "Let me send you to a specialist.
• 18:26
  Let me send you to somebody that does it."
• 18:27
  Specialist wouldn't.
• 18:28
  Somebody's got to know something, right?
• 18:29
  Who would I send somebody to
• 18:32
  Myself except for me-
• 18:34
  That's crazy
• 18:34
  ... but I've had to be upset.
• 18:35
  So that's where the whole peptide thing started.
• 18:39
  Yeah.
• 18:39
  Right? I was like, "Testosterone helped me."
• 18:41
  Yeah.
• 18:42
  The ibuprofen's not helping me.
• 18:44
  Yeah.
• 18:44
  The hydrocodone I can't work with, right?
• 18:46
  Correct.
• 18:46
  Obviously, it gets rid of the pain, but I'm going to end up addicted to them,
• 18:49
  right? I mean-
• 18:49
  Yeah, and then people will talk to you like you're the problem
• 18:51
  ... And then, yeah.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:52
  And then in California, I'll probably be homeless like the other-
• 18:55
  ... hundred thousand of them, right?
• 18:57
  And that's what I don't want, because it was going to-
• 18:58
  Yeah
• 18:58
  ... affect my life. I mean, it affected my marriage, it affected me being a-
• 19:02
  Yeah
• 19:02
  ... good dad.
• 19:03
  Yeah.
• 19:03
  Trying to work, trying to make-
• 19:04
  Yeah
• 19:04
  ... an income, everything.
• 19:05
  Yeah.
• 19:06
  So, I had to get off of the narcotics.
• 19:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:09
  And
• 19:11
  even to this day, the main thing that I take is ibuprofen.
• 19:14
  But I was doing it, and I even told my doctor, it's five to six times a
• 19:18
  day, 800 milligram.
• 19:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:20
  Now, since I've started peptides, it's two to three times.
• 19:24
  Okay.
• 19:24
  So I'm literally within the range they want me-
• 19:27
  Yeah
• 19:27
  ... but had to start researching peptides.
• 19:29
  Yeah.
• 19:29
  So,
• 19:31
  what started the peptides was my doctor pushed me over to
• 19:35
  a
• 19:37
  nutrition doctor that prescribes Zepbound for obesity.
• 19:40
  Okay.
• 19:41
  I forget what they call them, but it was
• 19:44
  some sort of health doctor.
• 19:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:45
  And she was extremely nice, really nice.
• 19:47
  She was like, "To me, you don't seem obese." She
• 19:51
  does all the measurements, she puts you on the scale.
• 19:53
  She's like, "You have a lot of muscle mass," but she's like, "I understand you have
• 19:57
  a belly and you snore."
• 19:59
  She's
• 20:00
  Yeah. So that's why I said I
• 20:03
  try to get really personal with my doctors, so they-
• 20:05
  Yeah
• 20:05
  ... understand things, right? And I told her, "I know I
• 20:09
  have a big gut." At the time, I was 290.
• 20:12
  Okay.
• 20:12
  So I lost the 30 pounds just by starting testosterone.
• 20:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:16
  So I got down to 290, and that's when I was like, "Something ain't right.
• 20:19
  I'm always hungry, and I can't help it." It don't matter if I eat
• 20:23
  a 12-ounce steak and a potato,
• 20:25
  30 minutes later, I'm like, "What can I munch on?"
• 20:27
  Yeah.
• 20:28
  Right? And that's when the pain is kicking in.
• 20:30
  I'm
• 20:31
  starting to hurt again. I'm taking an ibuprofen, and I kind of stress eat.
• 20:34
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:35
  So I will go over there, and I'll eat a bowl of cereal.
• 20:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:37
  Get the dopamine hit. The dopamine kind of re-
• 20:39
  Yeah, I was about to... I was thinking dopamine deficiency
• 20:41
  ... kind of relaxes.
• 20:42
  You're reading text above my head.
• 20:43
  Yeah. So it kind of helps me relax a little bit.
• 20:46
  Yeah.
• 20:46
  It gets your blood pumping. Gets that-
• 20:48
  Yeah
• 20:48
  ... ibuprofen pumping through your blood helps.
• 20:50
  Yeah.
• 20:51
  Right?
• 20:52
  So I really leaned on food as a drug.
• 20:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:56
  And it doesn't help
• 20:59
  how accessible the food is-
• 21:01
  Mm-hmm
• 21:01
  ... and how calorie dense the food is, right?
• 21:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:07
  So, they started me on Zepbound.
• 21:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:09
  And that's kind of... I heard of Ozempic and stuff like that.
• 21:11
  Zepbound was just kind of barely hitting the market pretty good.
• 21:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:15
  And I was like, "Okay, what is this?
• 21:17
  It's cool." They're like, "It should help with food suppression."
• 21:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:20
  And I'm like, "Okay." I didn't even look into it.
• 21:22
  I was just like, "Okay, I'll trust the doctor.
• 21:23
  Let's go with it."
• 21:24
  Yeah.
• 21:25
  So I started at the 2.5 milligrams for four weeks.
• 21:27
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:28
  Nothing.
• 21:30
  Okay, so they're like, "Okay, let's go to five milligrams." I'm like, "Okay." I
• 21:34
  kind of felt something there for about a week or two.
• 21:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:37
  And I was like, "Okay, I think I can see that this might help with suppression.
• 21:40
  I'm a little full."
• 21:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:41
  And then it was gone.
• 21:43
  So I ended up moving to 7.5. I did this for about six months.
• 21:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:47
  I think I got up to 7.5. I don't think I made it to 10.
• 21:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:50
  But I made it to the last dose of 7.5.
• 21:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:53
  That's when they started running into all the
• 21:56
  issues with keeping up with stock, right?
• 21:58
  So compound pharmacies got the approval-
• 22:00
  Oh, yeah
• 22:00
  ... to start putting things out. But I was still going through pharmacy through
• 22:04
  Eli Lilly.
• 22:05
  Yes.
• 22:05
  And
• 22:07
  I still had no suppression. I only had one or two weeks where I felt it a little
• 22:10
  bit.
• 22:11
  So I started kind of deep diving and coming to find out that
• 22:16
  they do basically the same thing the research industry does, right?
• 22:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:19
  They test a handful out of this batch.
• 22:22
  Yeah.
• 22:23
  The only difference is, is they reconstitute it in these fancy pens.
• 22:26
  Yeah.
• 22:27
  And then they put an expiration date on it.
• 22:28
  Which had a patent on them until just this year.
• 22:31
  Yeah. So, I was like, "Maybe I was just getting
• 22:34
  expired stuff." Like, "Maybe it wasn't good."
• 22:38
  You know what I mean? And I started reaching out.
• 22:40
  Everybody was having success on Tirzepatide.
• 22:43
  Yeah.
• 22:43
  Right? Nothing.
• 22:45
  Yeah.
• 22:45
  And I think I lost a total of five pounds in six months.
• 22:48
  Interesting.
• 22:48
  And I was even trying to eat healthier.
• 22:50
  Yeah.
• 22:50
  Right? I was eating whole foods, potatoes, lean meats-
• 22:53
  Yeah
• 22:53
  ... vegetables. The one thing I don't eat, the wife can say that, I don't eat
• 22:56
  fruit.
• 22:57
  Okay.
• 22:57
  I hate fruit.
• 22:59
  Okay.
• 22:59
  I don't know why.
• 23:00
  Hey, we all have our things.
• 23:01
  I can do a little bit of oranges or something in the summer, but I don't like
• 23:04
  fruit.
• 23:04
  Yeah.
• 23:05
  I can do it in slushies. I'd rather just eat broccoli raw than eat
• 23:09
  some fruit.
• 23:10
  Wow.
• 23:10
  Yeah. So it's not that I eat unhealthy-
• 23:14
  Yeah
• 23:14
  ... it's the volume I eat.
• 23:15
  Yeah.
• 23:16
  So that's what I'm chasing, is that fullness feeling, which I think most people are
• 23:19
  chasing.
• 23:20
  Yeah. Satiety.
• 23:21
  That's why people, when they get on the
• 23:24
  Zepbound or the Tirzepatide, they love that not being hungry
• 23:28
  feeling.
• 23:29
  Yes.
• 23:29
  And they forget that it's normal to be hungry.
• 23:30
  Because you can think of other things.
• 23:32
  Yeah. No, definitely. Your life-
• 23:33
  Yeah.
• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:34
  You're like, "I'm not worried about this one thing."
• 23:36
  Yeah, definitely.
• 23:36
  "Now I can focus."
• 23:38
  So, I got off of it. I put the five pounds
• 23:41
  back on immediately.
• 23:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:43
  And that's when I was kind of hearing-
• 23:47
  Where did the five pounds go? To your waist
• 23:50
  line?
• 23:50
  I didn't even really pay attention.
• 23:52
  Yeah.
• 23:54
  But I didn't even notice a five-pound drop.
• 23:56
  Yeah.
• 23:56
  Not even in my face, you know what I mean?
• 23:58
  Yeah.
• 23:58
  But at the time,
• 24:01
  my business partner now was-
• 24:02
  Mm-hmm
• 24:03
  ... looking into the whole Retta thing, right?
• 24:05
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:05
  Everybody knows it as Retatrutide, right?
• 24:07
  A lot of people actually don't know about it, but they need to at least learn about
• 24:11
  it here.
• 24:11
  Well, yeah. Well, I think a lot of people know about it, but they kind of
• 24:15
  shy away from it.
• 24:16
  Yeah.
• 24:16
  Because I get a lot of engagement.
• 24:19
  Yeah.
• 24:19
  And again, you have to be careful with it, right?
• 24:22
  Yeah.
• 24:23
  But he was on it, and he was down I think 40 pounds at the time.
• 24:26
  That's fantastic.
• 24:27
  And I was like, "Well, that's kind of the same thing as Tirzepatide, isn't it?" And
• 24:31
  he was like, "Yeah, I think so." So I started kind of reading around.
• 24:34
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:34
  And I have OCD, so when I start reading around and things catch my mind, I start
• 24:38
  deep diving.
• 24:39
  That's probably me.
• 24:41
  So,
• 24:42
  come to find out that Retta is nine times
• 24:45
  stronger than Tirzepatide on paper
• 24:48
  And I was like, "Why would they go nine times stronger?
• 24:50
  That just doesn't make sense to me." So I started doing a little deep dive.
• 24:53
  Uh-huh.
• 24:54
  And I kept going, and come to find out, the glucagon makes you hungrier, but
• 24:57
  also burns more calories. So it kind of-
• 24:59
  It's so interesting
• 25:00
  ... it's kind of back and forth, right?
• 25:02
  So-
• 25:02
  It's counterintuitive.
• 25:03
  Yeah. So it's wanting you to eat to burn more calories, so your
• 25:07
  body's wanting to process it, right?
• 25:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:08
  But it's also keeping just enough suppression to where you're in a deficit.
• 25:12
  Yeah.
• 25:13
  So I
• 25:15
  think it's very unlikely that they make one better.
• 25:18
  I agree.
• 25:19
  So it-
• 25:20
  It's pretty amazing.
• 25:20
  Yeah. No. So I'll tell you like this. So I was like, "You know what?
• 25:23
  Let me get some. I'm going to try this."
• 25:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:26
  I'm at a point where I'm debating on just medically retiring anyways,
• 25:30
  filing for
• 25:32
  federal disability and stuff like that.
• 25:34
  Yes.
• 25:35
  I was getting to the point where I couldn't walk. I couldn't get up in the morning.
• 25:37
  Is that your heaviest as well?
• 25:38
  Yeah. Well, no, it was 30 pounds under.
• 25:40
  So I was still-
• 25:41
  Okay
• 25:41
  ... holding at 290.
• 25:42
  Okay. But you couldn't move the needle.
• 25:44
  Yeah. So,
• 25:45
  again, because of the injuries I have and the nerve issues, my wife would have to
• 25:49
  help me take my shoes off sometimes. It was that bad.
• 25:51
  Yeah.
• 25:51
  And it wasn't because my belly was so big I couldn't get them off.
• 25:55
  Yeah.
• 25:55
  I would lock up. I couldn't. The pain would be so crazy.
• 25:58
  Yeah.
• 25:59
  Right?
• 26:00
  So,
• 26:02
  I did the first dose of the Retta
• 26:05
  and what clinical trial started at was the 2 milligrams.
• 26:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:08
  So I was like, "Screw it. I'm going to start there.
• 26:10
  That's probably where they're going to start doctors at, or doctors are going to
• 26:12
  start patients at. Let's try it."
• 26:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:14
  I took it. The next day, I was like, "This is crazy." I didn't
• 26:18
  think of food for three days.
• 26:21
  Wow.
• 26:21
  So,
• 26:23
  I was still
• 26:25
  thinking about, "Okay, I got to get my protein in." I couldn't off of the first
• 26:28
  one. Right? And they say it takes 36 hours to fully start kicking
• 26:32
  in.
• 26:33
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:33
  I'm telling you, I took it that night. By that morning, I'm a breakfast person.
• 26:38
  I couldn't even drink water.
• 26:40
  Wow.
• 26:41
  Yeah. So, I was like, "Okay, let's kind of see how this thing is." I was trying to
• 26:44
  force the protein down. I was trying to make sure, because again, I've always had a
• 26:48
  gym for my kids and everything. And I was like, "Let's start trying to hit the
• 26:51
  weights a little bit."
• 26:52
  Yeah.
• 26:52
  Some dumbbells, something that I can do.
• 26:54
  Yeah.
• 26:55
  And I was like, "I got to be able to get the protein in because I know your body
• 26:58
  will eat lean mass."
• 26:59
  Right.
• 27:00
  Right.
• 27:01
  So the second week came in, I stayed at the same dose.
• 27:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:04
  The effect was 10 times stronger.
• 27:06
  Wow.
• 27:06
  I almost didn't eat for four days.
• 27:09
  But you were still drinking water.
• 27:10
  Yeah.
• 27:10
  Yeah.
• 27:10
  So I was still
• 27:12
  getting liquid calories, trying to get in-
• 27:14
  Yeah
• 27:14
  ... a protein drink. And I was like, "This is not sustainable to maintain
• 27:18
  the amount of muscle mass I have."
• 27:19
  How was your energy?
• 27:20
  Oh, it was... I'm telling you, it was a game changer.
• 27:23
  Love it.
• 27:23
  Yeah. That's why I said, mentally, I don't even think it was so much of the
• 27:27
  suppression.
• 27:28
  Yeah.
• 27:28
  My cognitive function, I think-
• 27:30
  Mm-hmm
• 27:31
  ... quadrupled.
• 27:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:32
  I was able to focus, I was able to think about things.
• 27:35
  I was able to-
• 27:36
  Goals
• 27:36
  ... get up. Even the next morning, I was still 290 after the first dose, but I
• 27:40
  was actually-
• 27:40
  Yeah
• 27:40
  ... able to wake up and feel good-
• 27:42
  Wow
• 27:42
  ... on the first alarm. You know what I mean?
• 27:44
  And it knocks your inflammation down most-
• 27:47
  Yeah
• 27:47
  ... immediately.
• 27:47
  I felt like that was immediate. Yeah.
• 27:49
  Yeah.
• 27:49
  So, the third dose, I was like, "You know
• 27:53
  what? We're going to adjust this to what I think I should do."
• 27:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:56
  So I lowered it from 2 milligrams down to 1.
• 27:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:59
  And I ran 1 milligram for another two weeks.
• 28:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:02
  And I was able to get in some calories.
• 28:04
  Yeah.
• 28:04
  I was still staying high protein.
• 28:06
  Yep.
• 28:07
  I always try to keep my carbs higher because I know you need carbs for fuel.
• 28:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:10
  That's what your body wants to process.
• 28:12
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:12
  So,
• 28:14
  I think I was getting around 2,000 calories is what I was able to get at 1
• 28:17
  milligram.
• 28:18
  Okay.
• 28:18
  And I was like, "Okay, I'm obviously-
• 28:20
  And you're a big guy.
• 28:20
  Yeah.
• 28:21
  So that's-
• 28:21
  So I was looking at-
• 28:22
  Great
• 28:22
  ... I was looking at losing about eight to 10 pounds a month is kind of how I did
• 28:25
  the math, right?
• 28:26
  Yeah.
• 28:26
  Your liver can only process so much in a week-
• 28:29
  Mm-hmm
• 28:29
  ... before you start with gallstones and liver issues, high-
• 28:32
  Yes
• 28:32
  ... high ALT levels, stuff like that.
• 28:34
  Yeah.
• 28:34
  So,
• 28:35
  when I lowered it down to 1 milligram, I was able to eat again, and I was happy
• 28:38
  with it. I was like, "Okay, let's just be small."
• 28:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:41
  Right?
• 28:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:42
  And that's the good thing about going from doctor prescribing it and you having
• 28:46
  a vial that you can set your own dose.
• 28:48
  Yes.
• 28:48
  So,
• 28:49
  I started doing 1 milligram increases after that every so often.
• 28:52
  So,
• 28:53
  the initial two weeks, I did the 2 milligrams.
• 28:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:56
  I lowered it down to 1.
• 28:58
  After I did that for a month, I went back to 2 because I-
• 29:01
  Mm-hmm
• 29:01
  ... started realizing, okay, now I see it, now I have the control.
• 29:03
  Your body adjusted.
• 29:04
  Yeah. So I started understanding where I need to keep my calories at.
• 29:08
  I wanted to be around 23, 2400.
• 29:11
  Yeah.
• 29:11
  Right? I wanted to have a little bit more intake.
• 29:13
  Yes.
• 29:14
  Because I know how much it's important to keep your muscle mass.
• 29:18
  Yes.
• 29:18
  And I will tell you this, so I've lost the 60 pounds and I've gained
• 29:22
  strength.
• 29:23
  Wow.
• 29:23
  So I would say if I lost any muscle mass, it would be in my legs-
• 29:27
  Yeah
• 29:27
  ... just because I can't do a lot of leg workouts.
• 29:30
  Okay.
• 29:31
  But my bench press is more, I can curl more-
• 29:35
  Mm-hmm
• 29:35
  ... I can handle my own body weight more.
• 29:38
  I fit my clothes better. I feel just as strong.
• 29:39
  You know what would move the needle on that would be getting a proper testosterone
• 29:43
  dose.
• 29:44
  I'm sure. I'm sure, but that's why-
• 29:46
  So we're going to get it back.
• 29:49
  So-
• 29:49
  I'm in this now.
• 29:50
  No, I got you. So, I've been on it for...
• 29:54
  And I actually have an app that I carry it, but I ended up working myself up to
• 29:58
  4 milligrams. I was increasing about every six to eight weeks instead of every
• 30:01
  four.
• 30:01
  Okay.
• 30:02
  Because I started noticing there was no reason to up it at four.
• 30:05
  Did you plateau at any of your transition points?
• 30:08
  So I plateaued when I started working out harder.
• 30:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:11
  So obviously you start retaining more water, you start retaining more inflammation.
• 30:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:16
  You're trying to recover and build-
• 30:17
  Yeah
• 30:17
  ... muscle now. So-
• 30:18
  Yeah
• 30:18
  ...
• 30:20
  the plateau that I hit, I wouldn't say is the same as a lot of people that hit that
• 30:23
  plateau. So-
• 30:24
  Right
• 30:24
  ... a lot of people will be, "I'm at 12 milligrams of tirzepatide and I'm
• 30:28
  stalling."
• 30:28
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  And I'm like, "What lifestyle changes have you made?"
• 30:31
  None.
• 30:32
  Right?
• 30:32
  Yeah.
• 30:32
  So I knew that I stalled because I was working out harder.
• 30:37
  Yes.
• 30:37
  Right? Because I knew if I took three or four days rest, I would drop two to three
• 30:41
  pounds.
• 30:41
  Hmm.
• 30:42
  So that was all water weight and inflammation.
• 30:44
  Yes.
• 30:45
  Right? So
• 30:46
  I would wait every two or three days to weigh myself when I would do some rest
• 30:49
  days-
• 30:50
  Mm-hmm
• 30:50
  ... just to get an accurate weight.
• 30:51
  Did you feel hunger in between-
• 30:53
  No
• 30:53
  ... on your rest days?
• 30:55
  I'm telling you, my hunger's been pretty just... I eat about twice a day.
• 30:58
  That's kind of how I roll. And then maybe-
• 30:59
  As a habit.
• 30:59
  Yep, and just a small snack.
• 31:01
  Yeah.
• 31:02
  The big thing is, is I've been trying to make the lifestyle changes with it,
• 31:06
  because again, once you come off of it
• 31:08
  The hunger's going to come back, right?
• 31:10
  Yes.
• 31:10
  So I know the hunger's going to come back.
• 31:12
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:12
  I know I'm going to put some of the weight back on.
• 31:14
  Yeah.
• 31:15
  But if I start to make the
• 31:18
  habit changes now-
• 31:19
  Mm-hmm
• 31:19
  ... I may only put 10 or 15 pounds on instead of 60 or 70.
• 31:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:24
  Right? So,
• 31:26
  I think by week 36,
• 31:30
  I stayed at four milligrams for 22 weeks.
• 31:33
  Okay.
• 31:34
  Which doctors are going to increase you every four weeks.
• 31:37
  That's kind of what they're set at.
• 31:38
  That's-
• 31:39
  Yeah
• 31:39
  ... every doctor that I've ever spoke to, everybody I've ever spoke to, is my
• 31:42
  doctor forces me to go up every four weeks.
• 31:45
  Yeah. It is
• 31:48
  a very common thing to say whenever you are seeing somebody
• 31:52
  on a GLP-
• 31:53
  Mm-hmm
• 31:53
  ... in an insurance-based-
• 31:55
  Yep
• 31:55
  ... platform.
• 31:56
  Yep. No, and that's where I was like, "That just doesn't seem..." So because
• 32:00
  I was doing it myself, I'm going to...
• 32:02
  What can I change to make the lifestyle change before I have to rely on
• 32:06
  this tool?
• 32:07
  Yeah.
• 32:07
  Right?
• 32:08
  Yeah. That's ideal.
• 32:09
  Because eventually I don't want to be on something forever.
• 32:12
  Yeah.
• 32:12
  It may be
• 32:13
  good for some people to be on it forever.
• 32:15
  It may-
• 32:15
  People fear that.
• 32:16
  Yeah.
• 32:16
  I get asked that question often with GLPs.
• 32:19
  So will I be on it forever? I don't know.
• 32:21
  But at the end of the day, I would like to not be on anything.
• 32:24
  Yes.
• 32:24
  Right? So I want to get to that point, and I think I'm getting there because
• 32:28
  I just barely increased it after 22 weeks at the same dose.
• 32:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:33
  Just because I started to see a little bit of the snacking wanting
• 32:37
  to come back.
• 32:38
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:38
  You know what I mean?
• 32:39
  Yes.
• 32:39
  So I was like, "Oh, crap. What do I do?" So again, I'm trying to make the
• 32:43
  lifestyle changes again-
• 32:44
  Mm-hmm
• 32:44
  ... while I increased it. So what do I have to do?
• 32:46
  So, like the other day, we bought the Ninja CREAMi to try to get some
• 32:50
  high-protein ice cream in to- ... where you're getting
• 32:54
  nutrition-
• 32:55
  Yeah
• 32:55
  ... and you're being able to snack.
• 32:56
  I haven't tried that brand.
• 32:58
  So that's what I'm trying to do is just make the lifestyle changes
• 33:02
  as I'm working with this tool.
• 33:04
  Yes.
• 33:04
  So, I think that's kind of the game.
• 33:06
  I don't see myself increasing anymore.
• 33:09
  Yeah.
• 33:10
  If anything, just continue working out and then eventually lowering the
• 33:14
  dose down.
• 33:14
  Yeah.
• 33:15
  Because I do think I've made enough of the lifestyle changes to where, one,
• 33:19
  I'm happy with my body.
• 33:21
  But two, I'm off a lot of the medication.
• 33:23
  Mm. That's-
• 33:24
  Right?
• 33:24
  ... awesome.
• 33:25
  And the only thing I'm dealing with
• 33:28
  on a daily basis is the nerve issues, so-
• 33:29
  Mm-hmm
• 33:30
  ... I lose feeling in my legs, I lose feeling in my arms.
• 33:33
  Is it positional and reproducible?
• 33:35
  Yeah, so a lot of it is positional.
• 33:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:38
  A lot of times I can't sit more than an hour or 45 minutes.
• 33:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:41
  I can't stand more than an hour or 45 minutes.
• 33:44
  Yeah.
• 33:45
  And then I have to start kind of rocking from side to side in the chair.
• 33:49
  Yeah.
• 33:50
  But I've seen specialists and they're like, "Yeah, you're probably going to need
• 33:53
  surgery, but if you do surgery,
• 33:55
  it may work, it may not work, and you're probably going to be out of work for two
• 33:58
  or three years."
• 33:59
  May I ask, what's the conversation whenever you do see a specialist?
• 34:02
  Is the conversation focused on pain relief or on
• 34:06
  function?
• 34:07
  It's a little bit of both because the specialist that I was seeing was through the
• 34:09
  VA.
• 34:10
  Okay.
• 34:10
  So it's all
• 34:12
  military-based, so-
• 34:13
  Yeah
• 34:13
  ... I'm trying to--
• 34:15
  They already have all the medical records, and I have a better stance on the VA
• 34:19
  than a lot of veterans do.
• 34:20
  Uh-huh.
• 34:21
  I don't know if it's just our local or if it's kind of
• 34:25
  city-dependent or base-dependent or whatnot, but-
• 34:27
  Mm-hmm
• 34:27
  ... the VA has been very good to me-
• 34:30
  Mm-hmm
• 34:30
  ... on that side. The specialist that I saw, I just asked
• 34:34
  him for his honest opinion on it. "If it was your back, would you have the
• 34:36
  surgery?"
• 34:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:38
  And he said, "Maybe when you hit 50, I would."
• 34:41
  Why 50? Because then you die?
• 34:43
  No, because you're already on the downhill getting ready for retirement.
• 34:45
  Ew.
• 34:46
  Because he's a-
• 34:46
  That's what I was thinking.
• 34:47
  Well, because he's afraid that if it does, then it could make it worse,
• 34:51
  and I would have to go on disability. Right now it's still livable.
• 34:54
  I see.
• 34:55
  Right? So I told him, I said, "I want to be-- An honest opinion.
• 34:57
  I'm working right now. It is manageable.
• 35:00
  Do you feel that it may cause me to go on disability?"
• 35:05
  And he told me yes.
• 35:06
  Yes.
• 35:06
  And I said, "Then I'll hold off on it."
• 35:07
  Like nearly 100%.
• 35:08
  Yeah. And it's so hard to get on... I have my
• 35:12
  VA compensation, but it's not going to be enough to go into retirement,
• 35:16
  right?
• 35:17
  Yeah.
• 35:17
  I'm a single income household.
• 35:19
  Yeah.
• 35:19
  Right? My wife takes care of the kids, but she also-
• 35:22
  Mm-hmm
• 35:22
  ... takes care of me full time.
• 35:24
  Yeah.
• 35:24
  You know what I mean?
• 35:25
  Yeah.
• 35:25
  So it's like there's so many things, like yeah, I'll-
• 35:28
  You want to get off that list.
• 35:29
  Yeah.
• 35:31
  Yeah.
• 35:31
  So it's like what do we do? And to get on federal disability, I don't want to
• 35:35
  be 100% reliable on the government, for one.
• 35:38
  Right.
• 35:39
  I already feel like a piece of crap sometimes, you know what I mean?
• 35:41
  Like you desire to do more-
• 35:43
  Yeah
• 35:44
  ... and yeah, fix it.
• 35:45
  So my big thing is a body in motion stays in motion.
• 35:48
  Yep.
• 35:48
  So you need to try to move as much as you can.
• 35:51
  Yes.
• 35:52
  If I got on disability and the stress set in and the
• 35:55
  anxiety set in and the pain set in,
• 35:58
  I would probably just pretty much give up on life and stop moving, right?
• 36:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:02
  Eventually. That's just how my brain works.
• 36:04
  I had just that "I give up" type of mentality.
• 36:07
  Yeah.
• 36:07
  Which is going to be hard on my kids, hard on my wife, hard on my marriage.
• 36:11
  Right.
• 36:12
  Then-
• 36:12
  You see the whole cascade.
• 36:13
  Yeah. Then you get into that hole, then you're like another veteran.
• 36:16
  How many of them are doing certain... You know what I mean?
• 36:18
  Yeah.
• 36:19
  And you've got to stay positive, and I try to stay positive.
• 36:22
  I rely on my wife a lot for that, but-
• 36:24
  Yeah
• 36:24
  ... that's where I said peptides in general have changed my life-
• 36:27
  Mm-hmm
• 36:28
  ... because I just didn't do one after starting the Retta.
• 36:30
  Yes.
• 36:31
  I was like, "Okay, this was an absolute game changer." Probably
• 36:36
  I didn't even know how to react to it, it was that good.
• 36:39
  I love it.
• 36:39
  And so I started talking to my business partners and I was like, "We're going to
• 36:43
  figure out this gray market thing."
• 36:45
  Yeah.
• 36:45
  Right?
• 36:46
  So I started reaching out to some people and kind of testing it, and I ended up
• 36:50
  coming across one of the actual manufacturers.
• 36:53
  But again, manufacturers can't sell to people.
• 36:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:56
  They can only sell to companies that are licensed.
• 36:58
  Yeah.
• 36:59
  But again,
• 37:00
  it's like any other industry. There's always somebody willing to take a chance.
• 37:04
  So a lot of gray market vendors are middlemen.
• 37:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:07
  They're not the actual manufacturers.
• 37:09
  Yes.
• 37:09
  They're buying the raw product, and then they have a little lab where they
• 37:13
  process it, lyophilize it, and then sell it.
• 37:15
  Yes.
• 37:15
  The-
• 37:16
  Which is nearly everything-
• 37:18
  Yeah
• 37:18
  ... in medicine.
• 37:19
  No.
• 37:19
  Well, it is everything.
• 37:20
  Yeah, definitely.
• 37:21
  100% of things.
• 37:21
  So, I ended up getting three different suppliers and kind of testing
• 37:25
  things.
• 37:25
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:25
  And I was like, "Okay, I can tell two of these are not legit."
• 37:29
  Ooh, what do you mean?
• 37:31
  Just the way they handle business, the way they import things.
• 37:34
  Was it too easy, or it was too... What was-
• 37:37
  It just seemed real sketchy.
• 37:39
  Yeah.
• 37:39
  The way they would talk to you, the way the packages would be hidden.
• 37:43
  It just didn't seem-
• 37:44
  Like there's no information.
• 37:45
  Yeah. They were keeping their hands clean.
• 37:47
  Interesting.
• 37:48
  So the third one, I still am
• 37:52
  in communication with.
• 37:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:55
  And-
• 37:55
  This is a vendor, a third-party vendor.
• 37:57
  Yeah. But again, she's a subsidiary of the manufacturer.
• 38:00
  Okay.
• 38:01
  There's not very many of them.
• 38:03
  Right.
• 38:04
  She'll walk me on a live through the entire manufacturing.
• 38:08
  I love that.
• 38:09
  Yeah.
• 38:09
  I look for that as well.
• 38:10
  It is crazy, and it's not one of these where they're doing it out of a
• 38:13
  garage.
• 38:14
  Which does exist.
• 38:16
  Yeah.
• 38:18
  Yeah.
• 38:18
  If you spend enough money, they'll label it for you.
• 38:20
  They'll act like you're a pharmaceutical company. They'll do all kinds of stuff.
• 38:23
  You can put anything you want on the label.
• 38:24
  So we ended up sticking with this vendor because we built that trust, right?
• 38:28
  Yeah.
• 38:29
  And even at that, we'd do third-party testing.
• 38:31
  We were testing our own stuff because we're like, "We're taking it.
• 38:33
  We need to do something." Right?
• 38:34
  Right. Yeah.
• 38:35
  So we were taking all those precautions, and nothing ever came back bad.
• 38:40
  You know what I mean?
• 38:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:40
  And she said, "Honestly, I'll guarantee it, but I don't even have to guarantee it
• 38:43
  because our product is good."
• 38:45
  Yes.
• 38:45
  "We have no reason..." And she'll tell me all the stories of everybody else.
• 38:49
  She'll show me conversations she has with other vendors.
• 38:53
  Yeah.
• 38:53
  And she's like, "Look, my cousin works for this person over here, and he's got a
• 38:57
  message right here that says they stole $10,000 in Bitcoin from this
• 39:01
  customer in the US."
• 39:02
  And I'm like, "I'm so glad I found you because I know your
• 39:06
  boss is taking a chance with the Chinese government and all that."
• 39:09
  Yeah.
• 39:09
  But at least we got an in to the actual manufacturer.
• 39:12
  Right.
• 39:13
  Which there's only a couple of them.
• 39:14
  So a lot of these gray market vendors-
• 39:16
  You're so right. There's only three main players.
• 39:17
  Yeah.
• 39:17
  Yeah.
• 39:18
  So a lot of these US vendors that are selling gray market-
• 39:22
  Third party
• 39:23
  ... they'll say, "I have a manufacturer." No, you don't.
• 39:25
  No, you don't.
• 39:26
  I was like-
• 39:27
  It's insane
• 39:28
  ... it took a lot of digging for me to find this one, right?
• 39:30
  Yeah.
• 39:31
  Now, I know she supplies more than just me at that time,
• 39:35
  but there's so many people selling on social media that their tests are
• 39:38
  failing.
• 39:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:39
  And it's like if you were getting from...
• 39:40
  A manufacturer wouldn't give you a bad product.
• 39:42
  Yeah.
• 39:43
  Because if they gave you a bad product, that means they gave the 503A
• 39:46
  warehouses here a bad product.
• 39:48
  Yes.
• 39:49
  And that's not going to happen.
• 39:50
  Yeah. A lot of people don't understand that.
• 39:51
  Yeah. So they're not going to put themselves out of business.
• 39:54
  Right.
• 39:55
  So,
• 39:56
  we found
• 39:58
  a good one. So we started purchasing, and I tried a few other peptides
• 40:02
  to start off with. I did the MOTS-c-
• 40:04
  Mm-hmm
• 40:04
  ... to help with your metabolism, mitochondria.
• 40:06
  Did you like it?
• 40:07
  I'll tell you like this. I like it when I work out.
• 40:09
  Yeah.
• 40:10
  So-
• 40:11
  Yeah
• 40:11
  ... some people say take it in the morning when it matches your AMPK pathway and
• 40:15
  all that.
• 40:15
  Yeah.
• 40:16
  I don't really feel too much. I feel a little
• 40:19
  more zoned in, but-
• 40:21
  Yeah
• 40:21
  ... I'm a right before you work out type of person.
• 40:24
  Yeah. It's like your pre-workout-
• 40:26
  Yeah
• 40:26
  ... stuff basically.
• 40:26
  And it doesn't give you a caffeine shot or nothing, but it just makes you, if
• 40:30
  I'm doing seven reps now, I can get 10.
• 40:32
  Yeah.
• 40:33
  So it just helps you work out a little harder before the fatigue sets in.
• 40:36
  Yeah.
• 40:36
  So I like to think of it as the cherry on top.
• 40:39
  Yeah.
• 40:40
  But, I also did it with 5-Amino. To me, 5-Amino was a game changer.
• 40:44
  Oh, wow. I haven't tried that one.
• 40:45
  So again, I went down the rabbit hole, right?
• 40:49
  I love the rabbit hole.
• 40:51
  I started off extremely low and slow like everybody says, and I
• 40:55
  was like, "Nah, I don't feel nothing.
• 40:56
  This has got to be a waste." And I started deep diving and saying
• 41:00
  that
• 41:01
  mice were taking 32 milligrams a day.
• 41:04
  These little mice, they get it.
• 41:05
  Right. And I understand-
• 41:06
  Mice and rats
• 41:06
  ... their body is different, right?
• 41:08
  Yeah.
• 41:09
  And I don't know the whole conversion.
• 41:10
  A lot of these doctors don't, and these scientists don't, and they're trying to
• 41:13
  understand the whole body mass-
• 41:15
  Yeah, I had to Google it. I had to actually look it up
• 41:16
  ... and the metabolism and everything.
• 41:17
  Those charts.
• 41:18
  So they were doing 32 milligrams a day, and I'm like, "Dude, I'm only
• 41:22
  doing two. What the hell?"
• 41:25
  So we jumped up to, I think I went five, which I felt a little bit there, and I was
• 41:29
  like, "Okay, I'm feeling something."
• 41:30
  Yeah.
• 41:30
  Let's double it. So I went to 10 milligrams.
• 41:32
  Ten milligrams, I think I had the best effect.
• 41:35
  Yeah.
• 41:35
  And that paired with MOTS-c, my workouts were incredible.
• 41:38
  I'm telling,
• 41:40
  I could do a whole workout. I'm not even lying. I felt great afterwards.
• 41:43
  Yeah.
• 41:44
  I didn't even feel that
• 41:46
  sugar crash.
• 41:47
  Yeah.
• 41:47
  You know what I mean?
• 41:47
  I know exactly. I know the feeling that you're describing, and it's almost like,
• 41:51
  can we bottle this? Yes, we can.
• 41:53
  Yeah. No, definitely.
• 41:53
  We do, and we can.
• 41:55
  And that's when it was just barely starting to get popular.
• 41:58
  I was like-
• 41:59
  Yeah
• 41:59
  ... "Oh, I've already tried this. Yeah, you should try that.
• 42:01
  That's great."
• 42:02
  Yeah.
• 42:03
  So that was that. And then I tried the SS 31 because I was like, my energy's
• 42:07
  low.
• 42:07
  I haven't tried that one yet.
• 42:08
  I didn't see nothing from it.
• 42:10
  It's probably the dose.
• 42:11
  So-
• 42:12
  If you took a higher dose.
• 42:12
  Well, I tried that too. I worked my way...
• 42:15
  I'm telling you, I've tried everything from low dose to high dose, because at the
• 42:17
  end of the day, I've been on more narcotics through the VA than people can imagine.
• 42:21
  Oh, yeah.
• 42:21
  I'm at the point, I don't care.
• 42:22
  Their drugs are way worse.
• 42:23
  Yeah.
• 42:23
  Yeah.
• 42:24
  So,
• 42:25
  I'm not trying to force my body to do things.
• 42:28
  Yeah.
• 42:28
  I'm reading, and these things are saying that they ask my body to do things.
• 42:31
  Yes.
• 42:32
  Let's try to be nice to my body.
• 42:33
  Yeah.
• 42:34
  Right?
• 42:34
  Yeah.
• 42:35
  So with the SS 31, I started low and slow, and then I worked my way up again,
• 42:38
  digging down the rabbit hole and seeing-
• 42:40
  Mm-hmm
• 42:40
  ... that trials went up to 30 to 50 milligrams.
• 42:43
  Yeah.
• 42:43
  But obviously it was for a syndrome and for cardiac health and stuff like that.
• 42:47
  Yeah.
• 42:47
  And I was like, well, I didn't really feel too much from it, and it's expensive, so
• 42:51
  maybe I don't have a myocardial cell
• 42:55
  problem.
• 42:55
  Issue. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Maybe it just doesn't know where to go.
• 42:58
  Yeah.
• 42:58
  Maybe that's why I do good on the MOTS-c.
• 43:00
  Yeah.
• 43:00
  So again, I haven't been on SS 31 since because I didn't-
• 43:04
  Yeah.
• 43:04
  And I know the product was good. It's tested.
• 43:06
  Everything's all good, and other people have tried the same one.
• 43:09
  They had success with it. It's just okay, obviously my-
• 43:12
  It's like NAD as well. Some people feel jazzed up.
• 43:15
  They're like, "Yes!"
• 43:16
  So NAD, I actually like. So it-
• 43:18
  It didn't really do anything for me
• 43:19
  ... it helps me just feel more focused.
• 43:22
  Yeah.
• 43:22
  So the first day I took it, I did a loading phase.
• 43:24
  A lot of people don't understand loading phases.
• 43:26
  Right.
• 43:27
  So they'll be like, "Oh, social media says two or three times a week."
• 43:30
  Right. And I'm like, "Stop going off social media."
• 43:32
  It's really great.
• 43:32
  You can literally go get this through an IV, and they'll pump you full of it.
• 43:36
  Yes.
• 43:36
  There's obviously data behind it.
• 43:38
  Yeah.
• 43:39
  So I was like, "Okay, we've got it in a bottle.
• 43:41
  I'm going to try doing a daily dose for 10 days."
• 43:43
  Yeah.
• 43:44
  You know what I mean? So I did that, and I'm telling you by-
• 43:46
  You did injectable?
• 43:47
  Yep.
• 43:47
  Intramuscular?
• 43:47
  Yep. Sub-cu.
• 43:48
  Oh, sub-cu. Okay.
• 43:48
  That's how I did it.
• 43:49
  Yeah.
• 43:49
  And everything's worked for me great sub-cu.
• 43:51
  It's a slower release that way.
• 43:52
  Yep.
• 43:52
  That's probably better.
• 43:53
  But I'll tell you, the third day in a row when I did it, all of a sudden, my green
• 43:56
  grass was greener. I'm telling you.
• 43:58
  I was looking out-
• 43:59
  I love that
• 44:00
  ... I was looking out the back patio, and I looked at my wife-
• 44:02
  Oh
• 44:04
  ... and I go, "I feel like it just literally zoned in like I was looking in
• 44:07
  binoculars."
• 44:08
  Huh.
• 44:09
  Yeah.
• 44:09
  You must've been depleted.
• 44:10
  I don't know what it was, but-
• 44:12
  And it replaced you to-
• 44:12
  Yeah
• 44:12
  ... at a good level.
• 44:13
  So I did that for 10 days, and then I just do it a couple
• 44:17
  times a week now. And I still feel like the browns are brown
• 44:21
  again, the greens are green.
• 44:23
  Yeah.
• 44:24
  My vision's always been good, but things just seemed very blurry.
• 44:28
  I know what you mean. It sharpened everything-
• 44:29
  Oh, yeah
• 44:29
  ... and, like, enhanced it.
• 44:31
  Oh, definitely.
• 44:31
  Like a filter.
• 44:32
  So yeah. I don't give a damn. I'll be on NAD the rest of my life.
• 44:35
  Yeah. I take the precursor.
• 44:36
  Yeah. So-
• 44:37
  I love it. I take NMN.
• 44:38
  Oh, NMN? Yep. Okay.
• 44:38
  Yeah. Which theoretically shouldn't work, but it does for me.
• 44:41
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Everything works-
• 44:42
  So wonderful
• 44:42
  ... different for anybody.
• 44:43
  Yeah.
• 44:44
  So, are you doing under the tongue or capsule or?
• 44:47
  Capsule.
• 44:47
  Okay.
• 44:48
  Yeah.
• 44:49
  So,
• 44:50
  after I did that, I was like, so obviously my energy's picked up a little bit.
• 44:54
  Yep.
• 44:54
  I'm working out.
• 44:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 44:55
  I'm obviously dropping the weight.
• 44:56
  Yep.
• 44:57
  Let's try-
• 44:58
  Mood is good
• 44:59
  ... let's try doing something for the repair, right?
• 45:01
  Yes.
• 45:01
  And again, I was trying to start slow, but I started fast. I ain't going to lie.
• 45:04
  Everything I did for about two or three days-
• 45:05
  But you started low dose, though
• 45:07
  ... for the first couple.
• 45:08
  I would say I probably started like seed too fast.
• 45:11
  I went with a much higher dose, and I just was so excited to try it.
• 45:15
  And it was at night. It was not a pre-workout. And I ruined my sleep that night.
• 45:19
  And I was like, "Okay, I'm so sweaty."
• 45:21
  Yeah.
• 45:22
  "I don't know if I like it. I feel a little strange." Like, I would do some laps
• 45:25
  around the house.
• 45:25
  Now I got some insomnia. Yeah.
• 45:28
  So, I ended up switching over to Clo.
• 45:32
  Okay.
• 45:33
  And-
• 45:34
  Love it
• 45:34
  ... after researching it, obviously the Wolverine stack is in Clo.
• 45:37
  So I'm like, "I can take something with four-"
• 45:40
  Mm-hmm
• 45:40
  ... "or I can take the Wolverine stack."
• 45:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:42
  I'm like, "Why not just get the benefits of the other two?"
• 45:44
  Yeah.
• 45:45
  And then after reading GHK and BPC work well together.
• 45:48
  They really do.
• 45:49
  They do very similar things, but one's more of a sledgehammer.
• 45:52
  It's not just for glowy skin, which I do enjoy that part.
• 45:55
  Right.
• 45:56
  But it is really great for repair.
• 45:57
  Yeah. So yeah. It's for the angiogenesis, the micro tears of soft
• 46:01
  tissue-
• 46:02
  Ligament
• 46:02
  ... and the skin.
• 46:02
  Yep.
• 46:02
  And then the TB500 for ligaments, inflammation-
• 46:05
  Yeah
• 46:05
  ... and all that, right?
• 46:05
  Collagen.
• 46:06
  So I started the Clo, and I did it for
• 46:11
  about a month is when I started to realize the pain was kinda...
• 46:14
  It was there, but it wasn't as sharp. My sciatica felt a little better.
• 46:18
  Right. Pain genius, that's what she said.
• 46:19
  Yeah. And, I was noticing I was recovering from workouts faster.
• 46:22
  I was able to work out more often. But the big thing was is
• 46:27
  obviously I was still doing five or six ibuprofen a day.
• 46:30
  I started noticing I was down to four.
• 46:32
  Mm.
• 46:33
  And I was like... And you do it subconsciously.
• 46:34
  You don't even think about it, right?
• 46:35
  Yeah. You weren't like counting the time.
• 46:37
  Yeah. I just take them like candy, you know?
• 46:39
  Yeah.
• 46:39
  And even my doctor's like, "Hey, I got to stop filling this for you.
• 46:41
  It's bad on your kidney and your liver."
• 46:42
  Yeah.
• 46:43
  And I'm like, "I don't care. It's the only thing that gets me through the workday."
• 46:45
  Yes.
• 46:46
  So, I started taking the Clo. I did it for 12 weeks, and I
• 46:50
  did the whole cycling off thing, right?
• 46:51
  Mm.
• 46:52
  They say, "Oh, you're desensitizing your receptors and stuff."
• 46:56
  I still think that's-
• 46:57
  A lot of these you actually don't need to anymore.
• 46:58
  Yeah.
• 46:58
  Yeah.
• 46:58
  That's what I was like.
• 46:59
  You don't need to.
• 47:00
  I started digging into it a little deeper, so I like-
• 47:02
  Yeah
• 47:02
  ... in between that, I would just stay on the GHK, kind of like-
• 47:05
  Just stay on it
• 47:05
  ... take a little bit of what people were saying.
• 47:07
  Yeah.
• 47:07
  And I noticed within a week of stopping the Clo, the pain came back.
• 47:11
  Hmm.
• 47:12
  And I was like, "Obviously, maybe it's not healing me, but it's helping with the
• 47:16
  inflammation."
• 47:17
  Yes.
• 47:18
  Right?
• 47:18
  Yes.
• 47:18
  So I was like, all of a sudden, my sciatica shooting back down to my foot.
• 47:22
  I couldn't walk again. I'm back up on the ibuprofen.
• 47:25
  So I started the Clo again, and I actually added a little bit more Wolverine with
• 47:29
  it-
• 47:29
  Yep
• 47:29
  ... to increase that dosage.
• 47:31
  BPC, TB500.
• 47:32
  So I did the Wolverine in the morning and the Clo at night.
• 47:35
  Yeah.
• 47:36
  And even when I cycled it off the next time, it felt like it was more
• 47:40
  manageable. So increasing the BPC and the TB500, I think
• 47:43
  helped.
• 47:44
  It's beautiful.
• 47:45
  So yeah. So I just stay on it now and I-
• 47:47
  Like within minutes.
• 47:49
  Oh, yeah. It's-
• 47:49
  Within minutes.
• 47:50
  Well, yeah, because they say BPC is only in your system for about eight minutes.
• 47:53
  No, I don't think that's true. I've read that as well. That's not true.
• 47:56
  Well, I know, and that's what I was saying the other day-
• 47:58
  Yeah
• 47:58
  ... is it basically sends the signal, and then it flushes.
• 48:01
  And I'm like-
• 48:02
  I don't believe that
• 48:02
  ... so that's why I'm still looking around and I'm like-
• 48:04
  Yeah
• 48:04
  ... "Well, let's try to figure this out." But it is.
• 48:06
  Yeah. I think it's days.
• 48:07
  It is within minutes that-
• 48:09
  Yeah
• 48:09
  ... you can feel the relief.
• 48:10
  Yeah.
• 48:11
  You know what I mean?
• 48:12
  And then on top of that, the KPV and the whole gut health thing, that's what
• 48:16
  got me kind of into the whole thinking about doing the capsules.
• 48:19
  Yeah.
• 48:19
  And the capsules being better, right?
• 48:20
  I take the capsules daily. Yeah.
• 48:21
  Um-
• 48:21
  I've been doing that for like three months straight
• 48:23
  ... so I think that's really helped with the slowing down of the digestion-
• 48:27
  Yeah
• 48:27
  ... of the GLP, right?
• 48:28
  Yes.
• 48:29
  So I've had no gut issues. Like initially, you start off with
• 48:33
  some messed up stools, kind of getting introduced to the body or whatever.
• 48:36
  Yeah.
• 48:36
  But, since starting the Clo,
• 48:39
  everything feels normal. I'm down-
• 48:40
  That's beautiful.
• 48:41
  Yeah. I'm down to 230-
• 48:42
  That's awesome
• 48:42
  ... and working out, and so-
• 48:45
  Gosh. Game changer
• 48:46
  ... yeah. So that's the thing is because I was even telling the wife before
• 48:50
  we started all this, I was like, "Honestly, I don't know how much longer I can
• 48:52
  work."
• 48:53
  Yeah.
• 48:53
  Like, "We're going to have to figure something out."
• 48:55
  You felt broken.
• 48:56
  Yeah.
• 48:56
  Just like depleted.
• 48:58
  And now at least it's, I'm not healed, but it's manageable.
• 49:02
  Yes.
• 49:02
  Right? So I still like, when I go to work with the guys, they'll be like, "Are you
• 49:06
  okay?" I'm like, "Yeah, just let me try to loosen up this hip." It's-
• 49:08
  Well, that's what ibuprofen's supposed to help you do, right?
• 49:11
  Yeah.
• 49:11
  Like not heal, but be managed.
• 49:12
  Yeah. So, the two being layered together, I think is going to help
• 49:16
  me make it to 70.
• 49:18
  Yes.
• 49:18
  Right? Unless something happens and they get-
• 49:20
  You're going to do more than 70.
• 49:21
  I know, but that's just the number I'm trying to make it to, right?
• 49:24
  How old are you?
• 49:25
  I'm about to be 40.
• 49:26
  Okay.
• 49:26
  So yeah. I'm on the downturn.
• 49:29
  Yeah.
• 49:29
  But-
• 49:31
  So I've had these pains since I was 21. You know what I mean?
• 49:34
  In the prime of what they say your life is.
• 49:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:36
  So I've been battling these pains for 20 years, and they've only gotten worse.
• 49:40
  And, again, I'm just trying to stay working long enough to
• 49:44
  retire.
• 49:45
  Yeah.
• 49:45
  Right? So as long as I can do that, whether it's with peptides or
• 49:49
  medicine-
• 49:49
  Yeah
• 49:49
  ... I just want to be able to pay off my house and do-
• 49:52
  Yeah
• 49:52
  ... what they call the American dream, right?
• 49:54
  Yes.
• 49:55
  But I'm telling you, before I started peptides, I was contemplating hanging it all
• 49:59
  up and selling our house and moving and trying to get the wife
• 50:03
  to go somewhere else where property taxes were free for veterans and-
• 50:07
  Florida.
• 50:08
  Yeah. So trying to figure things out, right?
• 50:10
  But I still-
• 50:11
  Yeah
• 50:11
  ... I don't want to fall in that trap where I become depressed and
• 50:14
  anxiety-ridden and can't move.
• 50:16
  Right.
• 50:16
  Because that's where doctors pushed me, was on depression medication and
• 50:20
  anxiety medication.
• 50:21
  It's part of their training. It's gross.
• 50:23
  I know. I took Klonopin for years.
• 50:25
  Yeah.
• 50:26
  And I was in that mode where
• 50:28
  I was like, "Man, I think I know why people
• 50:32
  take themselves."
• 50:32
  Yes.
• 50:33
  "This is crazy. I'm not happy."
• 50:34
  Yeah.
• 50:35
  So-
• 50:36
  And was all of this, like,
• 50:39
  battling with the mental part of it, is this while you were active
• 50:43
  duty, or-
• 50:43
  No, this was all when I was off. Just dealing with-
• 50:45
  Okay
• 50:45
  ... the pain of-
• 50:46
  Yeah
• 50:46
  ... every day of working.
• 50:47
  Yeah.
• 50:47
  Right? Because again, I do believe in traditional
• 50:51
  lifestyle, right? When I met my wife, we discussed traditional roles.
• 50:55
  We made sure we had those talks on what we believe in, right?
• 50:58
  Yeah.
• 50:59
  So if I-
• 51:00
  So mature. What age were you guys having these talks?
• 51:03
  Well, I met her right before I went into the military.
• 51:05
  Like 20s?
• 51:06
  So yeah, I was 20.
• 51:07
  You were growing up-
• 51:07
  She was 21
• 51:08
  ... 20. You guys are very advanced.
• 51:10
  So we've been married 20 years in December, and like anything else, we have
• 51:14
  our marriage issues or whatever-
• 51:15
  Yeah
• 51:15
  ... that we fought through. But a lot of that's because of my pain.
• 51:18
  Yeah.
• 51:18
  And me being in denial about it and dealing with anxiety and-
• 51:22
  Because you're trying to be tough.
• 51:23
  Yeah. So-
• 51:23
  Mind over matter
• 51:24
  ... yeah. So I went to therapists, I went to psychologists.
• 51:28
  I'm like, "Something's wrong."
• 51:30
  Do they help? At all?
• 51:31
  No, they just put me on meds-
• 51:32
  Mm-hmm
• 51:32
  ... and basically dumb me down until I fell asleep.
• 51:35
  Yeah.
• 51:35
  Right?
• 51:35
  Two of our greatest at dating people.
• 51:37
  Yeah. No, that's what I said.
• 51:38
  You feel nothing.
• 51:39
  So I'm having their...
• 51:42
  I'll have an argument and I'll be like, "You're the problem." She'll be like,
• 51:45
  "You're the problem." And then you sit back and you're like, it takes five or six
• 51:48
  years and you're like, "Damn, I am the problem." Right?
• 51:51
  I haven't arrived to saying that yet in my relationship.
• 51:53
  But
• 51:54
  there's-
• 51:54
  I'm never the problem.
• 51:56
  There's still times, but now that I think about it is,
• 52:00
  90% of the issues is because I was hurting.
• 52:02
  Yes.
• 52:03
  Right? And-
• 52:03
  You can't be a whole person-
• 52:05
  Yeah, and I can't tell her, like even for the longest time, I didn't take a sick
• 52:09
  day until I've started working at this place I'm working at now.
• 52:12
  I never took a vacation or a sick day for
• 52:14
  18 years, 17 years.
• 52:15
  What was the reason behind that?
• 52:17
  Because-
• 52:18
  Did it feel weak?
• 52:18
  Well, before then, they didn't have sick days, right? So it was an income thing.
• 52:22
  It was nothing. Yeah. Okay.
• 52:23
  Right?
• 52:23
  That makes sense.
• 52:24
  I got three kids. I'm trying to save for cars.
• 52:26
  I'm trying to save for college funds.
• 52:27
  I'm trying to-
• 52:28
  Right
• 52:28
  ... keep things going. The diapers.
• 52:31
  We didn't get any government help.
• 52:33
  Yeah.
• 52:33
  I'm trying to just live the American dream.
• 52:35
  Yeah.
• 52:35
  But
• 52:37
  everything just keeps going up.
• 52:39
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  And you're like, "I'm the only income, but we can't afford a babysitter like
• 52:42
  anybody else."
• 52:43
  Yeah.
• 52:43
  And I know my wife doesn't want anybody else watching our kids.
• 52:46
  Yeah.
• 52:46
  She's like, "I'm mom. I want to be mom."
• 52:48
  It's scary out there. It's crazy.
• 52:50
  So,
• 52:51
  I was like, "Screw it, I'm stressed out.
• 52:53
  I'm going to go see a therapist and a-
• 52:54
  Yeah
• 52:54
  ... psychologist." So I did. They started me on the Lexapro and the Klonopins and
• 52:58
  all that. They started a little lower.
• 53:00
  How did that make you feel?
• 53:01
  But like I was saying, it just made me feel drugged up.
• 53:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:04
  Like I would go numb. So we'd be at a birthday party.
• 53:06
  I would start getting stressed out because I was barbecuing or my back was hurting,
• 53:09
  and I would take one,
• 53:11
  and I would just become a zombie.
• 53:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:13
  It wasn't manageable.
• 53:15
  Yeah.
• 53:15
  So I ended up getting off all of that and just dealing with it, right?
• 53:18
  Yeah.
• 53:18
  I'm telling you, I would get-
• 53:20
  How long was that timeframe?
• 53:21
  That started in 2015, was when that really hit me.
• 53:25
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:25
  So I was on that stuff for about two years.
• 53:29
  You gave it a fair run.
• 53:30
  No, I gave it-
• 53:30
  You tried it.
• 53:31
  Yeah, I gave it a fair run, and I felt like it was-
• 53:33
  You gave it a shot
• 53:33
  ... it was either live off of it or try to figure something out.
• 53:36
  Love that.
• 53:37
  So I got to the point where-
• 53:38
  It's so bad
• 53:39
  ... I would legit just sit in a corner and cry.
• 53:41
  Yeah.
• 53:41
  Because I was-
• 53:42
  Hopeless
• 53:43
  ... I was going to lose my job, I was going to lose my family.
• 53:45
  Yeah.
• 53:45
  I was in so much pain, I don't even know where to start.
• 53:48
  They say there's no surgeries to help with the nerve pain.
• 53:50
  Something's got to give.
• 53:51
  And that's all they say is, there's nerve pain.
• 53:52
  I'm like, "Well, what do we do to fix it?" And they're like, "I don't know."
• 53:56
  So it's like, oh, God, now I'm really screwed.
• 53:59
  Yeah.
• 53:59
  You know what I mean? It's almost better to have an actual issue where you know
• 54:02
  it's either fixable or you're going to die.
• 54:04
  Ugh. Yeah.
• 54:05
  So that got to the point where I was like, "I have to change
• 54:09
  professions."
• 54:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 54:10
  So I ended up getting out of the front side of the oil and gas industry into the
• 54:14
  backside-
• 54:14
  Mm-hmm
• 54:14
  ... which is less labor intensive, but same schedule.
• 54:17
  Yeah.
• 54:17
  So now I'm better physically and starting the peptides and being on the ibuprofen
• 54:21
  and stuff like that, but-
• 54:22
  Mm-hmm
• 54:22
  ... now it's killing my mental-
• 54:25
  Mm
• 54:25
  ... because the sleep schedule is completely different.
• 54:27
  At least over there, it was week on, week off, so you can get situated to the
• 54:31
  schedule pretty quick.
• 54:33
  Yeah.
• 54:34
  Now it's up and down, up and down.
• 54:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 54:36
  Every two days you're switching.
• 54:37
  It's the erratic schedule that is-
• 54:39
  Yeah
• 54:40
  ... really not good for your longevity and for your-
• 54:41
  Oh, yeah. And that's what I'm noticing-
• 54:43
  ... your body
• 54:44
  ... and that's where I was like, something's got to change.
• 54:46
  So-
• 54:46
  Yeah
• 54:46
  ... that's kind of where the whole Tessa Morland thing came in.
• 54:49
  Ooh, tell me about this.
• 54:51
  So, I started researching, and I've always been interested in HGH and stuff like
• 54:55
  that, but I've never really done-
• 54:56
  Have you tried it?
• 54:57
  No, I've never done the rabbit hole with the anabolics because I think that's more
• 55:00
  of something where you need to be overseen.
• 55:01
  Well, it's a growth hormone.
• 55:03
  Yeah.
• 55:03
  Yeah.
• 55:04
  So with the anabolics, I think you really need to be having some overwatch, right?
• 55:07
  Obviously, because you can have organ growth and high IGF-1 levels, and
• 55:11
  you can
• 55:13
  become hypoglycemic and stuff like that.
• 55:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 55:15
  I'm not a bodybuilder. I just want to be-
• 55:17
  Yeah.
• 55:17
  I just want to feel good.
• 55:18
  Yeah.
• 55:19
  So I've never went down that rabbit hole with the HGH, but I was like-
• 55:22
  Yeah
• 55:23
  ... "Hey, they got this stuff over here that helps you produce a little bit more-
• 55:26
  Yeah
• 55:26
  ... like you were 18 years old."
• 55:28
  Yeah.
• 55:28
  So I was like, "Let's try it."
• 55:31
  Yeah.
• 55:32
  So I started it. I'm telling you, the first night
• 55:35
  was probably the best sleep of my life.
• 55:38
  I love that.
• 55:38
  I'm-
• 55:38
  It does increase your deep sleep.
• 55:40
  Oh, yeah. I'm telling you, I woke up and
• 55:46
  it was amazing.
• 55:47
  Game changer.
• 55:47
  Yeah, so-
• 55:48
  Wow
• 55:48
  ... so I did-
• 55:50
  I love it
• 55:50
  ... I did
• 55:52
  the Tessa for 12 weeks, and I knew immediately after about three days of getting
• 55:55
  off it, I was like, "My sleep's back to being crap again."
• 55:58
  Wow. You had that quick of a response.
• 56:01
  Yeah, so-
• 56:02
  Did you end up with the water retention initially?
• 56:05
  Initially, it was like three pounds.
• 56:06
  Oh.
• 56:07
  So-
• 56:07
  That's not bad
• 56:08
  ... yeah, so three pounds, and then about two weeks later it came off.
• 56:11
  Yeah. Usually only two weeks.
• 56:12
  And then when it fell off, I increased again.
• 56:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 56:14
  So I went one milligram, and then after the water weight fell off, I went to two
• 56:17
  milligrams.
• 56:18
  Okay.
• 56:19
  And then I got the water-
• 56:19
  Which is standard dosing.
• 56:20
  Yeah, I got the water retention again.
• 56:22
  Yeah.
• 56:22
  And then it fell off about two or three weeks later.
• 56:24
  Okay.
• 56:25
  But now, when I do it, I just stay at the one milligram because it's enough for the
• 56:28
  recovery.
• 56:29
  Yeah.
• 56:29
  Right? I was just-
• 56:30
  And it's pretty expensive.
• 56:31
  Yeah, and I was just kind of dabbling into it because, again, it's tied to the
• 56:34
  visceral fat and all that.
• 56:35
  Yeah.
• 56:37
  But that's what growth hormone does.
• 56:39
  Yes.
• 56:40
  Yeah, that may be what it's FDA approved for in HIV patients, but-
• 56:43
  Yeah
• 56:43
  ... growth hormone is recovery and healing and sleep.
• 56:47
  Yes.
• 56:48
  Why not be able to take it for those when people-
• 56:51
  I know
• 56:51
  ... are having issues?
• 56:52
  Because the Fed.
• 56:53
  Yeah, so people want it because of the visceral fat portion of it, and I'm like,
• 56:57
  "That's only what it's approved for."
• 56:59
  It's a side benefit.
• 57:00
  I was like, "CJC and ipamorelin will do the same thing."
• 57:03
  Yeah.
• 57:03
  It's just not approved for it-
• 57:04
  Yeah
• 57:04
  ... so you guys don't know about it, right?
• 57:06
  Yeah.
• 57:07
  It's not as strong as Tessa.
• 57:10
  Yeah.
• 57:10
  That's what's good, right? But-
• 57:13
  Can take them together, too
• 57:14
  ... yeah. Then that's what I'm saying is most times, most people just want to sleep
• 57:17
  better and feel better.
• 57:18
  Yeah.
• 57:19
  So why not just take low dose Tessa, let your body, because you're going to
• 57:22
  naturally decrease growth hormone as you age.
• 57:25
  Mm-hmm.
• 57:26
  Why not just take a low dose as you age to be able to recover?
• 57:28
  At age 30, which is insane.
• 57:30
  Yeah, and then that's what's the weird thing is about 28 is when all my issues
• 57:34
  amplified.
• 57:35
  Ooh, interesting.
• 57:36
  That's when I started thinking of the testosterone issues.
• 57:39
  Yeah.
• 57:39
  So I'm thinking my growth hormone started falling off around that time, too
• 57:42
  because-
• 57:43
  Yeah
• 57:43
  ...
• 57:44
  I was working out, and I would get to the point where I'd have to take two or three
• 57:47
  days for a rest break instead of just one or two.
• 57:50
  Wow.
• 57:50
  And then I started getting to the point where I'd take a whole week off, and I was
• 57:52
  like, "I didn't work out that hard."
• 57:54
  Like, what is happening? Yeah.
• 57:54
  And then I'm not talking the joint pain, I'm talking the actual muscle fibers.
• 57:57
  I'm like, "So I'm hitting 180 grams of protein-
• 58:00
  Yeah
• 58:00
  ... staying hydrated, but my bicep is still sore."
• 58:03
  Yes.
• 58:04
  That's not normal.
• 58:05
  Right.
• 58:05
  So again, doctors don't-
• 58:06
  Poor recovery from a workout.
• 58:07
  Yeah. Doctors don't want to be testing you for IGF-1 levels, growth hormone
• 58:11
  levels. They don't-
• 58:12
  What would they do with it?
• 58:13
  Yeah.
• 58:13
  We're trained to check it, but then now what?
• 58:16
  But, again, they'll only prescribe it-
• 58:17
  I mean-
• 58:18
  ... if you are extremely deficient in it.
• 58:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 58:20
  And it's like, how about we worry about people's longevity and health?
• 58:24
  Yeah.
• 58:25
  Right? And that's where the whole conspiracy with the government and pharmaceutical
• 58:28
  companies-
• 58:28
  If you live too long-
• 58:29
  ... and the money
• 58:29
  ... then it's too expensive.
• 58:30
  Yeah. But the weird thing is you look at the government right now, and
• 58:34
  I'm sure the wife's going to beat me for bringing this up, but
• 58:38
  the-
• 58:38
  This is Black Sheep Room. We're fine
• 58:39
  ... yeah.
• 58:41
  But whenever I talk about government on social media, I instantly end up
• 58:45
  banned two or three days later.
• 58:46
  It's an honor.
• 58:47
  It's-
• 58:47
  No, honestly, I feel like that's an honor. I've been banned from things.
• 58:50
  No, so-
• 58:51
  I'm like, "Thank you."
• 58:52
  So it is crazy, but-
• 58:54
  How do you know about me?
• 58:54
  So think about it. They want everybody to push the retirement age
• 58:58
  another year or two, right?
• 58:59
  Yes.
• 59:00
  Well, that might be possible if you give us access to things.
• 59:04
  Yeah.
• 59:04
  Right? Maybe I want to make more money-
• 59:06
  Yeah
• 59:07
  ... if I felt better.
• 59:08
  Yes.
• 59:08
  But you're going to take the Social Security that I've paid into for 40 years-
• 59:12
  Yeah
• 59:12
  ... and I can't get any medicine to make me feel better-
• 59:15
  Yeah
• 59:15
  ... right? Because, again, I was willing to hang it up
• 59:19
  five, six years ago.
• 59:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:21
  This is the only thing that has made me-
• 59:23
  Which is crazy
• 59:23
  ... not hang it up
• 59:23
  ... because you're so young.
• 59:24
  Right, but that's what I'm saying is if these things get me into 70
• 59:28
  and I can make more money for my family-
• 59:30
  Yeah
• 59:30
  ... and build generational wealth-
• 59:32
  Right
• 59:32
  ... why wouldn't I?
• 59:33
  Yeah.
• 59:33
  I have daughters that I don't want having to do any physical labor.
• 59:37
  Yeah.
• 59:37
  You know what I mean? But now it's a time in that life where they're having to.
• 59:41
  Yeah.
• 59:41
  And it's like, that's crazy to me. So-
• 59:44
  Yeah
• 59:44
  ... how about we
• 59:45
  just go down the peptide rabbit hole-
• 59:47
  Yeah
• 59:47
  ... see if it works. It did for me.
• 59:49
  Yeah.
• 59:49
  And I think it's going to make my life much better for the next 40 years.
• 59:53
  Yes.
• 59:53
  Which is going to, in turn, make more money for me.
• 59:56
  Yes.
• 59:56
  Right?
• 59:57
  Yeah.
• 59:57
  But what don't they want us to have? They don't want us to have money.
• 1:00:00
  I know. Yeah. No, that's probably true-
• 1:00:03
  They don't
• 1:00:03
  ... because if you have money, then you have power.
• 1:00:05
  And if you have power, then you can't be a follower.
• 1:00:06
  Well, not even that. If you have money, you typically eat healthier, you live
• 1:00:10
  healthier-
• 1:00:10
  Yeah
• 1:00:11
  ... which takes money from the pharmaceuticals, which takes money from the
• 1:00:14
  people that are giving them money.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  It's a full circle, right?
• 1:00:17
  Yeah.
• 1:00:18
  And I tried not to believe in that for years.
• 1:00:20
  Same. I know.
• 1:00:21
  And I know a lot of doctors get into the industry and they're like, "Oh, let me
• 1:00:25
  help these patients" and all that.
• 1:00:26
  Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  And not every doctor is going down the bad rabbit hole.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  But there's a few where you sit back and you just go-
• 1:00:35
  Shh
• 1:00:35
  ... man.
• 1:00:35
  Yeah, it's not good.
• 1:00:37
  Why would you say no to that?
• 1:00:38
  Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Right?
• 1:00:39
  Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  And it may not even be the doctor, it may be the insurance company.
• 1:00:42
  Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Like you said, you can try to submit everything you want, and they just keep
• 1:00:46
  pushing it.
• 1:00:47
  I just know after you get told no, there's this one guy that had-- He
• 1:00:51
  was in his 20s. He wasn't even 30. He had a back injury,
• 1:00:55
  and it sounded like he had this new onset of a symptom where the next time I
• 1:00:59
  saw him, he was walking with a cane.
• 1:01:00
  Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  And he had all of these, we call them red flag symptoms, where
• 1:01:05
  the spinal cord has split.
• 1:01:07
  Okay.
• 1:01:07
  So he had all the classic symptoms of it, and he has a cane, and he's
• 1:01:11
  just not talking about this cane that he now has with him.
• 1:01:15
  I'm like-
• 1:01:15
  Yeah
• 1:01:16
  ... "What's up with the cane?" I asked him just like that.
• 1:01:18
  Well, I'm not even lying because my wife used to make fun of me because I used to
• 1:01:22
  kind of be like, "I'm going to be in a walker soon."
• 1:01:24
  No.
• 1:01:25
  And she's like, "I'm going to have to get you one of them skull canes or
• 1:01:27
  something." Because it was getting to that point.
• 1:01:29
  I'm telling you-
• 1:01:30
  Yes
• 1:01:30
  ... I couldn't move.
• 1:01:31
  So it's like he's seen a lot of people prior to me, and he's like, "Oh, yeah, I've
• 1:01:35
  been having this." So I was like, "Not with me you haven't."
• 1:01:37
  Yeah.
• 1:01:38
  Why are you acting like you're an old man right now?
• 1:01:40
  Hey,
• 1:01:41
  that's how we get treated. I mean-
• 1:01:44
  This is not acceptable
• 1:01:45
  Yeah, but what they'll do is they'll do an X-ray, which is the cheapest look
• 1:01:48
  Which we did
• 1:01:49
  And they'll be like
• 1:01:49
  Because they have to
• 1:01:50
  "All right, have a good day." And I'm like-
• 1:01:52
  No
• 1:01:53
  ... "Why am I shooting?" I'm telling you, it took
• 1:01:57
  four years to get an MRI of my spine.
• 1:01:59
  I believe you.
• 1:01:59
  So-
• 1:02:00
  Because I then, on that visit, I was like, "This is wild to
• 1:02:03
  me. No, we're going to follow up on this." So I order an MRI of his back
• 1:02:07
  stat-
• 1:02:08
  Mm-hmm
• 1:02:08
  ... because that's proper.
• 1:02:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:10
  And then only for the insurance to say no, and I'm like
• 1:02:14
  "I'm sorry, what?"
• 1:02:15
  Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  "What? This is a surgical emergency."
• 1:02:17
  Yeah, so that's what doesn't make sense to me is, is you've went through all the
• 1:02:20
  schooling, right? You have the education behind it.
• 1:02:22
  Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  If you think-
• 1:02:24
  But don't use it
• 1:02:25
  ... need something-
• 1:02:26
  Yeah
• 1:02:26
  ... then they should honor your certificates and your degrees and-
• 1:02:29
  They don't
• 1:02:30
  ... that doesn't make sense.
• 1:02:31
  It's laughable.
• 1:02:32
  And I thought that's what doesn't make sense to me is
• 1:02:35
  the insurance companies used to not be able to do that.
• 1:02:38
  Yes.
• 1:02:39
  And it seems within the last 10 years, it's gotten really bad where they're
• 1:02:42
  basically-
• 1:02:43
  So bad
• 1:02:43
  ... playing doctor.
• 1:02:44
  They are.
• 1:02:44
  Right? So it's-
• 1:02:45
  Yeah
• 1:02:45
  ... it's like you look at all these insurance companies that are internal, like
• 1:02:49
  Kaiser. They're-
• 1:02:50
  Yes
• 1:02:50
  ... internal plus doctors.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah.
• 1:02:52
  I mean, yeah, they're great for checks and all that, but to get anything out of
• 1:02:56
  them-
• 1:02:57
  Yeah
• 1:02:57
  ... or-
• 1:02:57
  Like if you have red flag symptoms
• 1:02:59
  ... yeah, that's what I'm saying is if you have a PPO and you go to a
• 1:03:04
  certified doctor with all the licensing, all that stuff, and they-
• 1:03:06
  Yeah
• 1:03:06
  ... tell the insurance, "We need to get this done,"
• 1:03:09
  it should be no problem.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah. So, this was not a PPO. It was an HMO.
• 1:03:15
  But if it were a PPO, I-
• 1:03:16
  Yeah, but all you got to do is get the referral.
• 1:03:18
  Well, okay.
• 1:03:19
  They should just be like, "Okay."
• 1:03:20
  Well, I did the referral.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Okay? And then only for him to get denied.
• 1:03:24
  That's what-
• 1:03:24
  And it took a week for the denial.
• 1:03:26
  Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  So I'm like, "Oh my God, if his nerves are dead, this is your fault."
• 1:03:30
  Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  And I called them personally, and then
• 1:03:33
  after they reject it, then you either do a peer-to-peer, or you do a
• 1:03:38
  denial response.
• 1:03:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:39
  So I wrote this long thing mad.
• 1:03:44
  And then I call them, and I ask for the peer-to-peer because I'm like, "Let's do
• 1:03:47
  this."
• 1:03:48
  Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  "Please tell me why you feel that you can say
• 1:03:52
  no to this."
• 1:03:53
  Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  And
• 1:03:54
  I was just disgusted. I was disgusted.
• 1:03:57
  I didn't actually get a peer-to-peer, and so I don't know how that would've
• 1:04:00
  went except that they wouldn't talk face-to-face to me.
• 1:04:03
  Yeah.
• 1:04:04
  And so I'm like, "How is this even possible?
• 1:04:06
  You can just say no to a peer-to-peer?"
• 1:04:07
  No, definitely.
• 1:04:08
  Because the peer is asking for the peer to talk to him-
• 1:04:11
  No
• 1:04:11
  ... talk about it. This guy never got his MRI, and he just accepted it.
• 1:04:14
  No, and that's kind of the point where I ended up getting to.
• 1:04:17
  I'm not even lying. I was-
• 1:04:19
  God
• 1:04:19
  ... I was at that point where-
• 1:04:21
  Still mad
• 1:04:22
  ... the depression was fully kicked in.
• 1:04:24
  Bad.
• 1:04:24
  It was ruining the marriage. It was-
• 1:04:25
  There's no fight left in you
• 1:04:27
  ... it was ruining my work life. Yeah, there was-
• 1:04:29
  Yes
• 1:04:29
  ... nothing.
• 1:04:30
  And you sit back, and that's when you just tell yourself
• 1:04:34
  basically you're a failure, and
• 1:04:36
  the government's not going to help you, and-
• 1:04:38
  Yeah
• 1:04:38
  ... insurance-- even though I was paying I think $800 every two weeks for this PPO
• 1:04:42
  at the time.
• 1:04:42
  Gross.
• 1:04:43
  And I couldn't get anything.
• 1:04:45
  Yeah.
• 1:04:46
  And that's when I was like, "You know what?
• 1:04:47
  Let me go back to the VA."
• 1:04:48
  Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  And I started going back to the VA.
• 1:04:50
  It's bad if you're going back to the VA.
• 1:04:52
  Well, and it was crazy because-
• 1:04:54
  Yeah
• 1:04:54
  ... it was like butter.
• 1:04:56
  Wow.
• 1:04:56
  The VA worked with me incredibly, right?
• 1:04:58
  I think it was a good person that you went to that happened to be at-
• 1:05:01
  Maybe-
• 1:05:01
  Right
• 1:05:01
  ... because he was a private doctor that works with the VA.
• 1:05:04
  Ugh.
• 1:05:04
  So he's contracted. And he's-
• 1:05:06
  Honestly, that's racist
• 1:05:06
  ... he's an older gentleman, and-
• 1:05:07
  Yeah
• 1:05:07
  ... he's like, "I got two more years.
• 1:05:09
  I just like doing what I'm doing." And it-
• 1:05:11
  That's-
• 1:05:11
  ... it worked out great-
• 1:05:12
  Right
• 1:05:12
  ... right?
• 1:05:13
  Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  So,
• 1:05:14
  that's when it was like I sat down with my business partners, and I was like, "You
• 1:05:18
  know what?
• 1:05:19
  Peptides are going to be the future of medicine."
• 1:05:21
  They are.
• 1:05:22
  Right? And these people, they don't want to believe it.
• 1:05:25
  And they've been around since I think, what, 1901 and then 1920, big in the
• 1:05:28
  1960s.
• 1:05:30
  Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  And then they started hitting big in 1980 when they started messing around with the
• 1:05:33
  GLPs and stuff.
• 1:05:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:35
  So I was like, "Let's make some phone calls.
• 1:05:38
  Let's figure out what we're going to do."
• 1:05:39
  Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Right? So we
• 1:05:42
  started having product come across and getting it tested and making sure, and
• 1:05:46
  selling research supplies.
• 1:05:47
  So you do that, right? Like the-
• 1:05:48
  Yep
• 1:05:48
  ... analysis.
• 1:05:49
  Yep.
• 1:05:49
  Yeah.
• 1:05:50
  So we send it off for all third-party testing here in the US.
• 1:05:53
  Obviously, it's all research grade, right?
• 1:05:55
  Yeah.
• 1:05:56
  So we started doing that, and it was going well, and it was going well enough where
• 1:06:00
  we launched a website.
• 1:06:02
  Oh, that's cool.
• 1:06:03
  So yeah, it's madaminos.com.
• 1:06:05
  Okay.
• 1:06:05
  So we started going that route, and we test through BioVeridian.
• 1:06:09
  Okay.
• 1:06:10
  And there's, I think, 35 different items, different sizes and all that for
• 1:06:14
  the research community. That's what my TikTok's all based about.
• 1:06:17
  Okay.
• 1:06:18
  We have Facebook, Instagram, X, and all that, but
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  it's
• 1:06:24
  just so people can go down a rabbit hole and start researching.
• 1:06:28
  Yes.
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  Right? Because-
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  Take care of themselves
• 1:06:30
  ... because think about it like this.
• 1:06:31
  What kind of got me into it was here in California, they have a
• 1:06:37
  homeless druggie free needle program.
• 1:06:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:40
  Well, if you can't control it, at least we can keep it clean for you.
• 1:06:43
  Yeah, I was trained, and I did some rotations at the river and-
• 1:06:47
  Yeah, so-
• 1:06:48
  Yeah
• 1:06:48
  ... so instead of taking things away and getting people help, we're just going to
• 1:06:52
  let them do it cleaner.
• 1:06:53
  Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  But we're going to regulate peptides.
• 1:06:55
  Yes. It is so crazy.
• 1:06:58
  So I can go to San Francisco, LA, I can go and be like, "Look,
• 1:07:02
  let me get 5,000
• 1:07:04
  insulin needles." Why?
• 1:07:05
  Yeah.
• 1:07:05
  Because I'm going to shoot between my toes.
• 1:07:08
  You know what I mean?
• 1:07:08
  No, really.
• 1:07:09
  And they'll do it.
• 1:07:09
  No, they're straight up with you.
• 1:07:10
  Yep, they'll give it to you.
• 1:07:11
  Yeah, and I have a sharps box that we would carry with us-
• 1:07:13
  Yep
• 1:07:13
  ... and like, "Give us your dirty needles, so you don't step on them."
• 1:07:16
  No, and I understand that. I get that some people you can't stop, so it is
• 1:07:20
  better to kind of-
• 1:07:20
  It's truthful
• 1:07:21
  ... yeah. It's-
• 1:07:22
  Yeah
• 1:07:22
  ... you got to do something to make it a little better, right?
• 1:07:25
  Yes.
• 1:07:25
  I understand we're human. You can't tell people no to everything.
• 1:07:27
  Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  So they're always going to find a way, and it may be a bad way.
• 1:07:30
  You're just trying to keep them safe, right?
• 1:07:32
  Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  So my thing is, is if you're going to do the wrong thing, do the wrong thing the
• 1:07:36
  right way.
• 1:07:37
  I like it.
• 1:07:37
  Right?
• 1:07:38
  Yeah.
• 1:07:38
  And that's kind of what got us driven.
• 1:07:41
  Or keep trying.
• 1:07:41
  Yeah, so I mean, when they legalized marijuana, and it's like
• 1:07:46
  I was like, "That's crazy that they'll do anything for taxes."
• 1:07:50
  Yeah.
• 1:07:50
  Right?
• 1:07:50
  You're so right.
• 1:07:52
  Because it's about the money, right?
• 1:07:54
  Yeah.
• 1:07:54
  And I get that. Life kind of revolves around money.
• 1:07:56
  Without money, it's hard to get food, it's hard to get electricity.
• 1:07:59
  Everybody has its business.
• 1:08:00
  It drives everything.
• 1:08:00
  Right? And
• 1:08:02
  I'm not smart enough to understand the whole process of it, but I get that you need
• 1:08:05
  money in the game.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah.
• 1:08:07
  But
• 1:08:08
  people, and this is the big driver with women-
• 1:08:12
  Mm-hmm
• 1:08:12
  ... is as women age, your guys' hormones will wreck your
• 1:08:16
  body.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  Us, we just get low energy, can't put muscle on, and we're just grumpy.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Right? We just fall asleep on the couch. Leave me alone.
• 1:08:22
  Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Right? But women, and again, I've listened to a couple of your
• 1:08:26
  podcasts. I've kind
• 1:08:28
  of recently-- I remember you had one on there that was talking about the word being
• 1:08:31
  moody, right?
• 1:08:32
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:33
  And I understand that. Women don't like men telling them, "Damn, you're just in one
• 1:08:36
  of those moods today."
• 1:08:37
  Ugh
• 1:08:37
  Right?
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, that was probably me going on a rant.
• 1:08:40
  And I get it, but that's how men see it.
• 1:08:42
  Men see it as like come on, I
• 1:08:45
  know you're not feeling that well-
• 1:08:46
  Let's snap out of it
• 1:08:47
  ... but yeah, you're kind of snappy.
• 1:08:48
  Yeah.
• 1:08:48
  You're in a mood.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  That's the only way men can explain it, because we're not the smartest creatures.
• 1:08:53
  You know what I mean?
• 1:08:54
  Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  So-
• 1:08:54
  I'm not agreeing that men are not the smartest creatures, by the way.
• 1:08:57
  No. Well, I'll be the first one to say.
• 1:08:59
  So I
• 1:09:00
  can see, as my wife's gotten older, the lack of energy in the
• 1:09:04
  morning. When the kids were younger, she'd hop up, have them ready for school, be
• 1:09:08
  good to go. I'd be working all day. She'd have everything.
• 1:09:10
  But-
• 1:09:10
  We need to talk about your sleep too then.
• 1:09:12
  But her energy, over the last five years or so, has kind
• 1:09:16
  of dwindled down in the mornings, especially.
• 1:09:18
  She could sleep 10 hours, and it's still the same amount of energy-
• 1:09:21
  Huh
• 1:09:21
  ... when she wakes up because she doesn't get deep sleep.
• 1:09:24
  She doesn't hit the REM sleep, right?
• 1:09:26
  Yes.
• 1:09:26
  Because women are light sleepers anyway, so they could hear the little bugs-
• 1:09:30
  It's true
• 1:09:30
  ... crawling on the window.
• 1:09:31
  It gets worse.
• 1:09:32
  And men are just lights out.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  Right? So-
• 1:09:35
  So true
• 1:09:35
  ... so I was like, you know what?
• 1:09:36
  I get jealous.
• 1:09:37
  We went to the doctor for her hormones.
• 1:09:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:39
  He didn't help for nothing.
• 1:09:41
  Insurance-based doctor.
• 1:09:42
  Yeah. Again-
• 1:09:43
  Yeah
• 1:09:43
  ... and I don't think she went to-- Maybe she did go to endocrinologist, but
• 1:09:47
  everything was within range again. That's the word.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  You're within range. But again, if she tells you she's not energetic,
• 1:09:54
  she don't feel great.
• 1:09:58
  Her menstrual cycle's still the same, but it's all energy based.
• 1:10:02
  Yeah.
• 1:10:02
  What do we do to fix that energy?
• 1:10:04
  Under-treat it.
• 1:10:05
  Right. So-
• 1:10:05
  Ignore it.
• 1:10:06
  Yeah. And that's-
• 1:10:06
  Obviously
• 1:10:06
  ... and that's what they were doing.
• 1:10:07
  So she-
• 1:10:08
  It's so frustrating
• 1:10:09
  ...
• 1:10:10
  like the first 10, 12 years of our marriage, she never drank coffee.
• 1:10:13
  Now she's drinking coffee, right?
• 1:10:15
  And it's like-
• 1:10:16
  And then that creates a vicious cycle.
• 1:10:17
  Yeah. And then you're chasing that dopamine.
• 1:10:19
  Chasing.
• 1:10:19
  You're chasing that energy.
• 1:10:20
  Yes.
• 1:10:20
  Then you go from 200 milligrams-
• 1:10:22
  Right. Different problem
• 1:10:23
  ... to 500 milligrams a day, right?
• 1:10:25
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  So, I think she saw how well, and I've never really had the
• 1:10:28
  conversation with her yet about that, but I think she saw how well the peptides
• 1:10:32
  were doing for me.
• 1:10:33
  Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  She was like, "Okay, I think I want to try something." Because I-
• 1:10:36
  You can't unsee it
• 1:10:37
  ... well, because I was telling her how GLPs are being
• 1:10:40
  investigated right now for
• 1:10:43
  PCOS or PMOS, right?
• 1:10:45
  Oh, it helps with fertility.
• 1:10:46
  Yeah. And that's what kind of got me to going down the rabbit hole-
• 1:10:49
  Achiness, inflammation
• 1:10:50
  ... with women. And, she was like, "Okay, let's
• 1:10:54
  try this."
• 1:10:55
  Yeah.
• 1:10:55
  And I'm telling you, it was within a month, the energy doubled.
• 1:10:59
  So fast.
• 1:11:00
  Yeah. It was within a month.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah.
• 1:11:02
  And she wasn't overweight, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:05
  Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  And-
• 1:11:05
  I think it's more of an efficiency problem of your body.
• 1:11:08
  Yeah. It's the insulin.
• 1:11:10
  Yes.
• 1:11:10
  Everything I read is insulin.
• 1:11:12
  It's the problem.
• 1:11:12
  Insulin is bad for the body, but it just
• 1:11:17
  kills a woman. You know what I mean?
• 1:11:19
  Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Like-
• 1:11:19
  And you know what I've learned? It's more of the rise and fall.
• 1:11:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:22
  It's the lack of the steady-
• 1:11:24
  Consistency, yeah
• 1:11:25
  ... the steady insulin.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah. So, again, she hasn't done all the peptides that I've
• 1:11:30
  done. She's just mainly the GLP and the clo, right?
• 1:11:33
  Yeah.
• 1:11:33
  And-
• 1:11:34
  Those are the best ones right now-
• 1:11:35
  Yeah
• 1:11:35
  ... honestly.
• 1:11:36
  And that's why I said that they're just such a game changer for hormonal balance.
• 1:11:40
  Yes.
• 1:11:41
  Right?
• 1:11:41
  Yes.
• 1:11:41
  And
• 1:11:44
  I don't see how come in our medical profession we just can't try things.
• 1:11:49
  Let's see if this works.
• 1:11:49
  We've created our own problem. We've created this whole
• 1:11:53
  wall between us, science, and then
• 1:11:57
  actual medicine, like the practice of it.
• 1:11:59
  Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  And it was meant to be a good thing.
• 1:12:03
  This long duration that costs a lot of money-
• 1:12:06
  Mm-hmm
• 1:12:06
  ... a lot of people and thousands of people in the name of safety
• 1:12:10
  has a purpose.
• 1:12:11
  Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  And a lot of good has come from it. I like the
• 1:12:15
  process in a sense.
• 1:12:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:17
  But when you have a metabolic emergency in
• 1:12:21
  our US, which we do-
• 1:12:22
  Yeah
• 1:12:22
  ... you've created all of these other problems and non-options for people who
• 1:12:26
  are truly suffering. You are ready to hang up the towel at-
• 1:12:29
  Oh, yeah
• 1:12:30
  ... less than 30 years old.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Absolutely not. That is a problem.
• 1:12:33
  Yeah. No.
• 1:12:34
  Right?
• 1:12:34
  And that's where you start thinking, is it genetic? What is it, right?
• 1:12:38
  What is it?
• 1:12:39
  So
• 1:12:40
  that-
• 1:12:40
  And our food has a problem.
• 1:12:41
  Yes.
• 1:12:41
  It's freaking weird.
• 1:12:42
  So that's the big thing is, again, our food has changed. Our water has changed.
• 1:12:46
  Yes, the water, too.
• 1:12:48
  Yeah. I've done the whole house filter system.
• 1:12:51
  I've done the reverse osmosis for home and stuff.
• 1:12:53
  But how many years did I drink out of plastic bottles that were sitting in the sun
• 1:12:57
  on a drilling rig?
• 1:12:58
  Our whole life.
• 1:12:59
  Right? I worked for these corporations that are like, "Hey, we have water bottles
• 1:13:02
  for you." But they store them in the sun for weeks on time-
• 1:13:05
  Yeah
• 1:13:05
  ... on the back of a trailer, right?
• 1:13:06
  Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  That UV rays are eating that plastic.
• 1:13:10
  Yes.
• 1:13:10
  And I'm dehydrated, so I'm drinking it.
• 1:13:12
  Yes.
• 1:13:13
  Maybe that's the cause of my low testosterone.
• 1:13:15
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:15
  Right? The microplastics, right?
• 1:13:17
  Yes.
• 1:13:17
  And that's one of the reasons we've been real big on our kids for health.
• 1:13:21
  My son is a health guru. He will not drink out of plastic.
• 1:13:24
  I didn't even push this.
• 1:13:26
  Stainless steel only type stuff, right? Wood spoons only.
• 1:13:29
  It tastes better anyway out of stainless steel.
• 1:13:31
  We grew up drinking out of water hoses, right?
• 1:13:33
  I know, me too.
• 1:13:34
  So bottled water, I'm just so used to it, but I think we get in this-
• 1:13:37
  This faucet water.
• 1:13:38
  Yeah. We're just screwed over.
• 1:13:40
  That's where it's going.
• 1:13:40
  We just live with it, right?
• 1:13:41
  Yeah.
• 1:13:41
  As long as I can make it through the day, I'm happy.
• 1:13:43
  So I don't care about the water, right?
• 1:13:45
  Yeah.
• 1:13:45
  I just care about not being in pain.
• 1:13:47
  Yes.
• 1:13:48
  Right? But after I saw the energy come back for my wife, and
• 1:13:52
  then
• 1:13:53
  what really got it is she wanted to sleep better, so we kind of discussed
• 1:13:57
  the Tessa Morland thing.
• 1:13:58
  Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah. She'll beat me if she doesn't take it And she loves it.
• 1:14:02
  So-
• 1:14:02
  So you guys don't run out of it.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah, no.
• 1:14:05
  She absolutely loves it. Even when I had her cycle off of it, I was like,
• 1:14:09
  "Let's take a little break. Let's see how things react with your body.
• 1:14:11
  Let's see how things are going." And then it was a week later, she's like, "I want
• 1:14:15
  to get back on it. I'm not sleeping well again."
• 1:14:17
  So it was like immediately you're finding this sleep benefit with one milligram.
• 1:14:20
  Oh yeah. Oh, it's immediate. That's what we kind of cruise at right now.
• 1:14:23
  I love it.
• 1:14:24
  So one milligram is enough for the sleep, and-
• 1:14:26
  Yeah
• 1:14:26
  ... again, I haven't lost any muscle mass, so it's obviously helped with that.
• 1:14:29
  Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  So it is a growth hormone problem, right?
• 1:14:31
  Yes.
• 1:14:31
  As we've aged.
• 1:14:32
  Yes.
• 1:14:32
  And I think that's our biggest problem and most people's problems as they
• 1:14:36
  grow, right?
• 1:14:36
  I think so, too. Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  And if you're not sleeping well, your estrogen's screwed up, your cortisol's
• 1:14:40
  screwed up.
• 1:14:41
  Nothing is right.
• 1:14:42
  Yeah. Men can cycle on five hours of sleep.
• 1:14:45
  Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  Most women, in my experience, cannot.
• 1:14:49
  Right? You may be in an emergency, right?
• 1:14:52
  Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  That's different.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  But
• 1:14:54
  with
• 1:14:56
  how you act throughout the day, men are just naturally grumpy.
• 1:14:59
  We go to work, we deal with it.
• 1:15:01
  We're used to the grumpiness.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah. And normally women are just upbeat and happy and-
• 1:15:05
  Yeah
• 1:15:05
  ... they may get grumpy because they're doing their stuff around the house or going
• 1:15:08
  to work, but it's not like hating life.
• 1:15:10
  Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  And to me, a lot more men hate life.
• 1:15:14
  Yeah.
• 1:15:14
  And it's just because we're basically beat down like a hammer, and our-
• 1:15:18
  Yeah
• 1:15:18
  ... our hormones are screwed up, too, because of the food and stuff.
• 1:15:21
  So after she started the test, we started saying,
• 1:15:24
  "What can we do to make things more
• 1:15:28
  legit and better, right? What are the pros and cons to everything?" We didn't want
• 1:15:32
  to stay in gray market.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah.
• 1:15:35
  And obviously, even though I was getting off the subsidiary of the manufacturer,
• 1:15:38
  it's still gray market.
• 1:15:39
  Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  You're not seeing it bottled, you're not seeing it regulated.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah.
• 1:15:43
  So we got into touch with people and-
• 1:15:46
  Mm-hmm
• 1:15:46
  ... we ended up basically to where our website now is all
• 1:15:50
  cGMP certified.
• 1:15:52
  Okay.
• 1:15:52
  So it's all 503A compliant.
• 1:15:54
  Yeah.
• 1:15:56
  Obviously the raws all come from overseas. Nothing can be done here.
• 1:15:59
  Yeah.
• 1:15:59
  But it's-
• 1:16:00
  Which is the standard, by the way-
• 1:16:01
  Which, yeah, which is the standard
• 1:16:02
  ... for any listeners. That's the standard.
• 1:16:03
  But when it comes here, it's obviously tested before it gets
• 1:16:07
  received.
• 1:16:07
  Yes, and it gets registered.
• 1:16:08
  For endotoxins, heavy metals, all that stuff.
• 1:16:11
  Yep.
• 1:16:11
  Sterility.
• 1:16:12
  So it is tested there. Then it's acid washed to get
• 1:16:16
  the TFA salts out.
• 1:16:18
  Okay.
• 1:16:18
  Right? The TFA salts is what breaks down the peptide when they're doing it
• 1:16:22
  to the resin in the whole process.
• 1:16:24
  Okay.
• 1:16:25
  So you got to get rid of the salts because if not, you're going to have all kinds
• 1:16:27
  of issues.
• 1:16:29
  It arrives with the salt.
• 1:16:30
  Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  Well, there's still a little bit of on it.
• 1:16:33
  The initial wash gets done over there, but there's still some on it, so they
• 1:16:37
  have to do the acid wash one more time, and then they got to run it through the
• 1:16:41
  .22 micron filter.
• 1:16:43
  Okay.
• 1:16:43
  That's, again, going to get rid of any endotoxins, a lot of the heavy metals, a
• 1:16:47
  lot of that stuff.
• 1:16:48
  Is this an expensive process, peptides?
• 1:16:50
  Well, that's why peptides are expensive.
• 1:16:52
  Yeah.
• 1:16:52
  If you're getting them cheap, they're being done improperly.
• 1:16:55
  You know what? Okay, so what do you think about if somebody's paying under
• 1:16:59
  $100 for a vial? Would that be
• 1:17:03
  problem flag?
• 1:17:05
  It could be.
• 1:17:06
  Right?
• 1:17:06
  So it's not that it is a problem, but there's-
• 1:17:10
  Yeah
• 1:17:10
  ... a 50% chance it could be. And I'll definitely touch on that.
• 1:17:14
  50%'s a good gamble, right?
• 1:17:16
  So obviously with our products, I can sell to a compound pharmacy.
• 1:17:20
  Mm.
• 1:17:20
  That's how good they are, right?
• 1:17:21
  Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  They have to meet the regulation of the government.
• 1:17:25
  Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  So we know they're being bottled here. We know they're being lyophilized here.
• 1:17:28
  They're being filled, and then anything that's not
• 1:17:34
  completely lyophilized, they purge with a nitrogen gas or an inert gas, right?
• 1:17:38
  Certain products have to be.
• 1:17:39
  Which is the normal.
• 1:17:40
  Yeah. Which is normal, right? Everything's done just like you would do
• 1:17:42
  pharmaceutical grade, right?
• 1:17:43
  Yes.
• 1:17:45
  But then you get back into the gray market.
• 1:17:47
  About 50 to 70% of the gray market is bad product.
• 1:17:51
  So a lot of these people, even on TikTok-
• 1:17:54
  Ooh
• 1:17:54
  ... they'll post like, "I'm transparent.
• 1:17:56
  This test failed."
• 1:17:59
  Okay, I'm glad you're telling people your test failed, but why are you buying from
• 1:18:02
  those people?
• 1:18:03
  Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  They're obviously not the manufacturer.
• 1:18:06
  They're buying the raw and they're adding God knows what, baking soda or
• 1:18:10
  what some people get checked, fentanyl. Right? That's the thing.
• 1:18:13
  They're finding fentanyl in these?
• 1:18:15
  Well, they found it in some anabolics. It shut down shipping in March over that.
• 1:18:19
  Anabolics meaning?
• 1:18:20
  Like testosterone and stuff like that.
• 1:18:22
  Okay.
• 1:18:24
  But if it's being lyophilized over there and they're purchasing the raws, they can
• 1:18:27
  add whatever they want to it.
• 1:18:28
  Yes.
• 1:18:29
  Right? Over here, it'll just test as 80% pure, but you didn't
• 1:18:33
  test for what it was-
• 1:18:34
  Yeah
• 1:18:34
  ... so they didn't look for fentanyl.
• 1:18:36
  So it could be 80%-
• 1:18:37
  I guess you're right. Yeah
• 1:18:38
  ... it could be 80% pure Tessa Morlin, 20% fentanyl.
• 1:18:42
  Yeah.
• 1:18:42
  They're not going to look for it because you didn't pay the company to look for it.
• 1:18:45
  They're just looking for what's in it, the 80%.
• 1:18:47
  Right.
• 1:18:47
  We're not identifying the true what-
• 1:18:48
  So a lot of-
• 1:18:49
  ... is this pointing to
• 1:18:49
  ... times, obviously, and I'm not trying to scare people with the whole fentanyl
• 1:18:53
  thing, but a lot of times it's just something that your body can absorb and kick
• 1:18:56
  out. So it's called a filler or a binder, right?
• 1:18:59
  Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  So it'll come up with
• 1:19:02
  no known content.
• 1:19:03
  Mm.
• 1:19:03
  It's just a filler. Are you going to die from it? No.
• 1:19:06
  But you're wasting your money.
• 1:19:07
  Yeah.
• 1:19:07
  And it's not going to do what you're doing.
• 1:19:09
  Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  So why not? If you're going to go the research route, go through somebody
• 1:19:13
  that's-
• 1:19:13
  This is like trace. We're talking about the trace-
• 1:19:15
  Yep
• 1:19:15
  ... findings, which may be contaminants.
• 1:19:17
  Yep. And then
• 1:19:19
  that's what I'm saying is you got a 50% shot.
• 1:19:21
  So say if you buy from this person and you pay $80 for this vial, and you look
• 1:19:25
  at my website and it's $134.
• 1:19:28
  Yes.
• 1:19:28
  Right? But mine's guaranteed. It's regulated here.
• 1:19:31
  Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  That $80 vial is a 50/50 shot-
• 1:19:34
  Yeah
• 1:19:34
  ...
• 1:19:35
  that it's what it is.
• 1:19:36
  Yeah.
• 1:19:37
  Because so many people are stealing these COAs.
• 1:19:40
  Oh, that's so right.
• 1:19:41
  And people-
• 1:19:42
  Modifying them
• 1:19:43
  ... Yep, and then-
• 1:19:44
  It's-
• 1:19:44
  ... us as human nature-
• 1:19:46
  ... so shammy and gross
• 1:19:47
  ... we're too lazy to go cross-verify with the lab.
• 1:19:49
  People are happy... Yeah, you're right.
• 1:19:51
  They stop with the paper-
• 1:19:52
  Yep
• 1:19:52
  ... and they're like, "Thank you."
• 1:19:54
  Yep.
• 1:19:54
  Can't read it.
• 1:19:55
  And then-
• 1:19:55
  Don't follow up on it
• 1:19:56
  ... and then they'll call me two weeks later. They're like, "Hey, I'm taking this.
• 1:19:59
  I don't feel nothing." And I'm like, "Stop buying from your neighbor."
• 1:20:05
  I've had those people that are selling-
• 1:20:08
  Yeah
• 1:20:08
  ... contact me and be like, "What do I do?"
• 1:20:11
  A thousand percent
• 1:20:12
  And I'm like, "Stop selling it. You don't know what you're doing."
• 1:20:16
  Yes.
• 1:20:16
  Right? But again, we
• 1:20:19
  talked to a lot of people. We got the right people involved.
• 1:20:22
  We are in team with a sister company, so we are backed.
• 1:20:27
  We
• 1:20:28
  have the stock. We know we're 503A compliant. We know we're regulated here.
• 1:20:32
  Yeah.
• 1:20:32
  We know the product is safe.
• 1:20:34
  Yes.
• 1:20:35
  And you're going to pay a little bit more, but it's guaranteed.
• 1:20:39
  Yes.
• 1:20:39
  Right?
• 1:20:40
  That should mean everything.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah. And that's why I said is there's some people that sell the same product as me
• 1:20:45
  as for $500 because you can. People are willing to pay that.
• 1:20:48
  Yeah. Mine, I would say, are probably
• 1:20:53
  more. Okay? But
• 1:20:55
  it comes with a doctor.
• 1:20:56
  Right.
• 1:20:57
  So I feel like you're layering in-
• 1:20:59
  Yeah, you're paying for that. Yeah, definitely
• 1:21:01
  Right.
• 1:21:02
  But that's what I try to explain to everybody is it's the same product if you're
• 1:21:05
  buying from somebody that's-
• 1:21:07
  Yes
• 1:21:07
  ... actually being regulated.
• 1:21:08
  Yes.
• 1:21:09
  Right? Now-
• 1:21:10
  There's checkpoints
• 1:21:10
  ... now it is different. You go 503B, they're actually mixing it for you, and
• 1:21:14
  they're compounding it for you, and telling you how much to take, right?
• 1:21:16
  Yes. Which is a federal-
• 1:21:18
  Yeah
• 1:21:18
  ... level-
• 1:21:19
  Yeah, but when-
• 1:21:20
  ... oversight
• 1:21:20
  ... you're buying it from your neighbor and you're taking that 50/50 shot,
• 1:21:24
  eventually you're going to go through somebody's website that is US-based.
• 1:21:28
  Yes.
• 1:21:28
  And you're going to be like, "Damn, I've wasted $1,600 and none of this has
• 1:21:31
  worked."
• 1:21:31
  Yeah.
• 1:21:32
  Well, that $1,600 could've bought you about five years worth of stuff.
• 1:21:36
  Yeah.
• 1:21:36
  You know what I mean?
• 1:21:36
  Yeah.
• 1:21:36
  And you decided to save $10
• 1:21:39
  and go this route.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, and then bring it into my office and say-
• 1:21:42
  Yeah
• 1:21:42
  ... "Hey, can you mix this for me?"
• 1:21:43
  So-
• 1:21:44
  Get out of here.
• 1:21:44
  So I get 1,000... I'm telling you, I get 1,000 text messages, phone
• 1:21:48
  calls about-
• 1:21:49
  Mm
• 1:21:49
  ... "Hey, I don't know what to do. It's not working." Or even if it's another
• 1:21:53
  seller like, "Hey, I had a
• 1:21:55
  product test bad," and I'm like, "Stop going gray market."
• 1:21:59
  I'm telling you.
• 1:21:59
  It's ballsy, right?
• 1:22:00
  It is. But everybody's willing to gamble to save $10.
• 1:22:04
  So bad.
• 1:22:04
  But that's what doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:22:06
  I
• 1:22:08
  was thinking about it and I was like,
• 1:22:11
  I
• 1:22:15
  save about $500 a month on food-
• 1:22:17
  Mm
• 1:22:17
  ... since I've started losing weight.
• 1:22:19
  Wow.
• 1:22:20
  So think about it. What I'm doing right now, the bottle will be 140 bucks
• 1:22:24
  on my website.
• 1:22:25
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:25
  So I save what? 350 bucks.
• 1:22:28
  Yep.
• 1:22:29
  I'm still saving money because I could be eating that.
• 1:22:32
  Right? And-
• 1:22:33
  It's so true
• 1:22:34
  ... and I feel great.
• 1:22:35
  Yes.
• 1:22:35
  Now, if it's 500 for 500, I'd have to sit down and go, "Well, at least I
• 1:22:39
  feel better."
• 1:22:40
  Yeah.
• 1:22:40
  Now, if it's 700 for 500, is it better to just be overweight and unhappy?
• 1:22:44
  Right. No.
• 1:22:45
  So it's a cost to benefit thing, right?
• 1:22:47
  So-
• 1:22:47
  Quality of life always wins in my book
• 1:22:49
  ... so that's
• 1:22:50
  what we get. And when everybody talks to us, I'm like, "Hey, you know where the
• 1:22:54
  website's at. The website is what it is.
• 1:22:56
  It's research-based."
• 1:22:57
  Yeah.
• 1:22:57
  But again, it's the same product.
• 1:23:00
  What are your thoughts and feelings about research only
• 1:23:04
  statement? I think it's so overrated.
• 1:23:07
  I think it's garbage, but we still do it.
• 1:23:09
  Well, you have to because regulations-
• 1:23:11
  You have to
• 1:23:11
  ... right?
• 1:23:11
  Yeah.
• 1:23:11
  Unless Congress comes down and makes a new law where it's just completely banned,
• 1:23:14
  right?
• 1:23:15
  Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  And it-
• 1:23:17
  It's almost like a false safety or it doesn't help or it does nothing
• 1:23:21
  for me as an-
• 1:23:22
  Yeah
• 1:23:22
  ... informed consumer.
• 1:23:23
  Right.
• 1:23:24
  But I know we do it.
• 1:23:25
  Yep.
• 1:23:25
  Say it.
• 1:23:26
  Yep.
• 1:23:27
  You have to. You can't put anything pretty much on the bottle except for that.
• 1:23:31
  Yeah.
• 1:23:31
  You know what I mean?
• 1:23:32
  Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  That's the weird thing, and I understand that, but at the end of the day,
• 1:23:36
  the government's not going to help us, and they've shown that.
• 1:23:39
  Yeah.
• 1:23:40
  And that's why I said, it don't matter what side you vote, it don't matter who you
• 1:23:43
  vote for. I've seen in the last
• 1:23:47
  25 years of my adult life-
• 1:23:49
  Yeah
• 1:23:49
  ... that our government does not give two craps about us.
• 1:23:54
  Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  So at the end of the day, I've got to care about myself.
• 1:23:58
  Yes.
• 1:23:59
  And if our governor here or governor before him
• 1:24:03
  has
• 1:24:04
  given out free needles to these people on meth-
• 1:24:08
  Mm-hmm
• 1:24:08
  ...
• 1:24:09
  then I'm going to do what I have to do to be healthy.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah.
• 1:24:12
  Because my kids, they need a dad.
• 1:24:15
  Yeah.
• 1:24:16
  You know what I mean? And I'm glad-
• 1:24:17
  Yeah, and it's been a game changer for you-
• 1:24:19
  Yeah
• 1:24:19
  ... in your health journey.
• 1:24:20
  And that's what I try to tell. When I start talking to people is
• 1:24:23
  80% of obese children today will be obese when they're adults.
• 1:24:28
  And-
• 1:24:28
  They're having adult problems when they're still a child.
• 1:24:31
  Yes. And that's how I started, right?
• 1:24:33
  Obviously-
• 1:24:33
  Cholesterol, blood pressure
• 1:24:34
  ... my parents were busy and all that stuff.
• 1:24:36
  They didn't know anything about nutrition. My dad was always working.
• 1:24:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:41
  Is informing your kids about nutrition, but how do you do that as an
• 1:24:44
  obese dad?
• 1:24:46
  Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  How do you go only eat 1,500 calories, but he's like, "But you're 400
• 1:24:50
  pounds"?
• 1:24:51
  Yeah.
• 1:24:52
  So you sit down and you have... I did that and I said, "Look, I know I have
• 1:24:56
  issues. I'm working on my issues too.
• 1:24:58
  I don't want you to have my issues."
• 1:25:00
  Yeah.
• 1:25:00
  "So let's see what your
• 1:25:03
  basic calorie intake is supposed to be."
• 1:25:06
  Yeah.
• 1:25:06
  "And adjust from there, and then we'll weigh you every couple of weeks.
• 1:25:09
  We'll see how things go." And it became a total different game because my
• 1:25:13
  daughter's healthy as hell. Both my daughters are healthy as hell.
• 1:25:16
  Yeah.
• 1:25:17
  Right? They look phenomenal.
• 1:25:19
  Yeah.
• 1:25:19
  They feel great. Their menstrual cycles are fine.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah.
• 1:25:22
  My son,
• 1:25:24
  he's into bodybuilding. He's trying to put on as much muscle as he can, and
• 1:25:29
  none of them are even, I would say, over 18% body fat,
• 1:25:33
  17% body fat.
• 1:25:34
  Wow. Yeah.
• 1:25:35
  My son could do a cut for a month and have a six-pack.
• 1:25:38
  Wow. Oh my gosh.
• 1:25:40
  I've been doing a cut for almost a year- ...
• 1:25:42
  and I'm still like, "I got to do another cut."
• 1:25:45
  And that's where you got to change the whole trauma thing,
• 1:25:49
  right?
• 1:25:50
  Yeah.
• 1:25:51
  Almost everybody in my family is overweight. Mom, dad, brothers, sisters.
• 1:25:56
  Is how do I keep my kids from being overweight?
• 1:25:59
  Yeah.
• 1:25:59
  Mom's tiny.
• 1:26:00
  Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Right? So I can't blame it on genetics.
• 1:26:04
  Yeah, a little bit of genetics is going to have some play, but only dad's the big
• 1:26:08
  eater.
• 1:26:08
  Well, okay, but sort of it could be genetics, though, because with the mom and the
• 1:26:12
  dad, we don't always get to see-
• 1:26:14
  Well, if it's a mitochondria problem or a metabolic
• 1:26:17
  problem, right?
• 1:26:18
  Yeah.
• 1:26:19
  But my kids don't-- I can look at them and tell-
• 1:26:21
  If they don't have-
• 1:26:21
  ... that they don't have a metabolic problem yet.
• 1:26:23
  Yet.
• 1:26:24
  Right?
• 1:26:25
  Yes.
• 1:26:25
  Not saying that they won't have one.
• 1:26:26
  It could always become activated.
• 1:26:27
  But it would be different if they were eating under 1,000 calories and still not
• 1:26:31
  burning the weight.
• 1:26:32
  Yeah.
• 1:26:32
  But if I'm feeding them all these chicken nuggets and french fries and all this,
• 1:26:36
  let's try to-
• 1:26:36
  Like garbage
• 1:26:37
  ... let's get your food healthy and see who you are.
• 1:26:39
  Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Right?
• 1:26:40
  Yes.
• 1:26:41
  And then getting them educated. I'm telling you, my kids know more about food than
• 1:26:44
  I ever could.
• 1:26:45
  That's so good.
• 1:26:46
  My daughter, 15 years old, I'm telling you, researches peptides in
• 1:26:50
  depth.
• 1:26:51
  I'm dead serious.
• 1:26:52
  I love that.
• 1:26:53
  It's crazy because she's kind of debating between going into the medical
• 1:26:56
  field or
• 1:26:58
  looking into flying planes, right? She's kind of into that whole thing.
• 1:27:00
  She can do both. She does not have to choose.
• 1:27:02
  No, and that's what I tell her.
• 1:27:03
  There's a lot of doctor pilots or pilots that become doctors.
• 1:27:04
  I tell her, "Do what you want." You know what I mean?
• 1:27:06
  Yeah.
• 1:27:06
  But that's kind of when I was like, "Well, hey,
• 1:27:10
  this is what I've been doing on the side." And she had an entire whiteboard by the
• 1:27:14
  end of the night-
• 1:27:15
  Wow
• 1:27:15
  ... in depth about peptides. And I'm like,
• 1:27:19
  "Maybe this is what we do to change childhood obesity."
• 1:27:22
  Ooh.
• 1:27:23
  Get the parents healthy.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah.
• 1:27:25
  The parents are going to make smaller meals.
• 1:27:28
  Yes.
• 1:27:28
  They're going to push health onto their kids.
• 1:27:30
  Yes.
• 1:27:31
  Right? You look back in the '50s-
• 1:27:33
  Portions
• 1:27:33
  ... '60s, '70s, right? Food wasn't as accessible.
• 1:27:36
  Meals were smaller.
• 1:27:38
  Yeah.
• 1:27:38
  Mom typically stayed home, Dad worked all day.
• 1:27:40
  It wasn't as addicting either.
• 1:27:41
  Yeah. So it's eat what's in
• 1:27:45
  front of you, not eat this and then 20 minutes later, go eat a bowl of cereal.
• 1:27:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:27:49
  Right? Your pantries weren't topped off like they are nowadays with boxed foods.
• 1:27:51
  I had to stop buying cereal. There's something like addicting to it.
• 1:27:54
  Yeah.
• 1:27:54
  In it.
• 1:27:55
  No, that's what I'm saying. So I still eat cereal to this day.
• 1:27:58
  I just use a protein drink.
• 1:27:59
  A protein cereal. Oh.
• 1:28:00
  Yeah. I'll put a protein drink in it, so at least I'm getting-
• 1:28:02
  Okay
• 1:28:02
  ... 30 grams of protein.
• 1:28:03
  That's probably a better
• 1:28:05
  plan.
• 1:28:05
  It tastes better, too.
• 1:28:07
  Yeah. Do you go chocolate?
• 1:28:09
  No, I just do the vanilla protein shake on top of-
• 1:28:12
  Okay
• 1:28:13
  ... it is a low sugar cereal, but it's just-
• 1:28:15
  Yeah
• 1:28:15
  ... normal cereal.
• 1:28:16
  Yeah. Because I've done the protein cereal with the almond milk.
• 1:28:19
  Yeah, I don't like almond milk.
• 1:28:21
  Yeah.
• 1:28:21
  I don't like soy milk. I don't...
• 1:28:22
  Yeah.
• 1:28:23
  If it's not normal milk, I can't really do it.
• 1:28:25
  But I do just a protein drink in it.
• 1:28:28
  Okay.
• 1:28:28
  And again, you can mix your own, shake it, whatever.
• 1:28:30
  Yeah.
• 1:28:31
  But at least you're getting some sort of protein in with that carb.
• 1:28:34
  Yes.
• 1:28:35
  Right? So it's still slowing down digestion, and it's not just spiking your insulin
• 1:28:38
  like crazy.
• 1:28:39
  Right.
• 1:28:40
  Right? And it starts your day off with 30 grams of protein.
• 1:28:43
  Which is preloading your day with protein is-
• 1:28:45
  Which is, yeah, you're not waiting until the end of the day to try to fit it in.
• 1:28:48
  Yes.
• 1:28:48
  And then going to bed with a full stomach, and then acid-
• 1:28:51
  Yes
• 1:28:51
  ... reflux waking you up at night.
• 1:28:52
  Yes.
• 1:28:53
  So-
• 1:28:53
  It's a whole thing
• 1:28:53
  ... so that was my big thing was is I started to get scared that my kids would be
• 1:28:57
  overweight.
• 1:28:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:28:58
  You know what I mean? I knew I had issues, but how do I help them not have issues?
• 1:29:02
  Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  So that's when I started purchasing the gym equipment for the garage.
• 1:29:06
  Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  I know I struggle working out because of the pain I'm in, but I'm going to try to
• 1:29:09
  fight through it to be there with you.
• 1:29:11
  Yeah.
• 1:29:12
  Right?
• 1:29:12
  That's so good.
• 1:29:13
  So to this day, I still work out with my daughter about three or four times a week.
• 1:29:17
  Yes.
• 1:29:17
  Mom will join us-
• 1:29:18
  Your function is still there.
• 1:29:19
  Yeah. Mom will join us about once or twice, and then she does two days on her own.
• 1:29:22
  Yeah.
• 1:29:23
  So everybody in my family pretty much works out three to four times a week.
• 1:29:26
  My son's about five times a week.
• 1:29:28
  That's great. So like, that's the family norm.
• 1:29:30
  Yep.
• 1:29:30
  This is what it should be.
• 1:29:31
  Yep, and my son makes his own meals. He tracks his own macros.
• 1:29:34
  He does his own thing.
• 1:29:34
  How old is he?
• 1:29:35
  He's going to be 18.
• 1:29:36
  Okay.
• 1:29:37
  So he's been doing this since he was 15 and a half, I think.
• 1:29:40
  Wow.
• 1:29:40
  So he's definitely been tracking into it.
• 1:29:42
  He started off with just ground beef and potatoes and then adjusting there.
• 1:29:46
  Now he makes full-blown meals. You know what I mean?
• 1:29:48
  I'm like-
• 1:29:48
  Oh my gosh. He's ready for life.
• 1:29:50
  I walk in and I'm like, "Hey, did you make me some?" And he just looks at me like
• 1:29:53
  I'm dumb. He's like, "No, this has already been accounted for.
• 1:29:56
  These calories are mine."
• 1:29:59
  Make your own.
• 1:30:00
  Yeah. So I'll have to steal a potato from him from time to time or whatnot.
• 1:30:05
  But, no, he's definitely got that part locked in on the
• 1:30:09
  health. So that
• 1:30:10
  was the number one goal was keeping him healthy.
• 1:30:12
  Yeah.
• 1:30:12
  Now the next goal in life is what are we going to do with life, whether it's work
• 1:30:16
  or careers or whatever. My biggest thing was I didn't even care...
• 1:30:20
  I did care to a certain point about the financial stability of their future, but it
• 1:30:24
  was the health first, because without health, you have no future.
• 1:30:27
  I was never taught that. I think it is super relevant.
• 1:30:29
  I was always taught money first.
• 1:30:31
  Do what it takes-
• 1:30:32
  Yeah
• 1:30:32
  ... to get the job done.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  And then you care about yourself.
• 1:30:35
  Yeah. So I'm trying, again, as a dad, I'm trying to make as much money as I
• 1:30:39
  possibly can to help-
• 1:30:40
  Yeah
• 1:30:40
  ... them financially.
• 1:30:41
  Yes.
• 1:30:41
  Because I did push their health so hard.
• 1:30:44
  Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  Right?
• 1:30:45
  Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  And in turn,
• 1:30:47
  maybe that was the wrong mistake, and I'll know in 10 years.
• 1:30:49
  But-
• 1:30:51
  We'll see
• 1:30:51
  ... yeah, but I do not want my son swinging a hammer or getting beat up
• 1:30:55
  in the military and
• 1:30:57
  it just not working out for him.
• 1:30:59
  Yeah.
• 1:30:59
  I understand the military is a good thing.
• 1:31:01
  It is kind of that
• 1:31:03
  thing that we have to have because of-
• 1:31:05
  Discipline.
• 1:31:05
  Yeah.
• 1:31:06
  Structure.
• 1:31:07
  But I think
• 1:31:08
  it's not for everybody, that's
• 1:31:12
  for sure.
• 1:31:13
  Yes.
• 1:31:13
  You know what I mean?
• 1:31:15
  And that's why I was definitely kind of, I'm not against telling my son about it.
• 1:31:19
  I educate him on that and all that, and I tell him, "It is your decision if you
• 1:31:22
  want to go."
• 1:31:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:31:23
  But I was like, "In my opinion, with how the government is, it ain't
• 1:31:27
  worth it."
• 1:31:28
  Yeah, and I was actually shocked. Okay, on the military side, I was really shocked,
• 1:31:32
  and I knew that it was
• 1:31:34
  always there, but the level of access that the military
• 1:31:38
  has to your health
• 1:31:41
  records-
• 1:31:42
  Yeah
• 1:31:42
  ... it's a little too much.
• 1:31:44
  Oh, it's crazy. So I'll tell you,
• 1:31:46
  right after MEPS, you end up heading off to boot camp, right?
• 1:31:49
  And I'm telling you,
• 1:31:51
  everybody's against all these medications and all that stuff-
• 1:31:54
  Yeah
• 1:31:54
  ... or peptides. I got more injections in the first week-
• 1:31:58
  Yeah, that's the thing
• 1:31:59
  ... I can't even-
• 1:32:01
  With your vaccines, right?
• 1:32:02
  I can't even tell you what they are.
• 1:32:04
  Well, you're the-
• 1:32:04
  They don't tell you anything.
• 1:32:06
  You're the test subject.
• 1:32:07
  Yeah. I've had more needles in my hips, my glutes, my-
• 1:32:11
  As in over 50 at once?
• 1:32:13
  Well, yeah.
• 1:32:14
  Over 20.
• 1:32:17
  You're in a line-
• 1:32:18
  Yeah
• 1:32:18
  ... and you walk down a line, and there's like 20 nurses on each side.
• 1:32:21
  They're hitting your arms and your glutes as you walk down, and then the last one
• 1:32:24
  you get, they call the peanut butter shot.
• 1:32:27
  Is that good?
• 1:32:27
  It's penicillin.
• 1:32:28
  Okay. I was like-
• 1:32:29
  But it hurts like hell-
• 1:32:30
  ... peanut butter's like
• 1:32:30
  ... because it's cold, right? They tell you, "Hold it in your hand," as you guys
• 1:32:34
  are all lined up against a wall, right?
• 1:32:36
  You're looking at the wall, and you're just holding this needle, trying to warm it
• 1:32:39
  up
• 1:32:40
  because they're telling you because they know it's going to hurt.
• 1:32:42
  I'm telling you,
• 1:32:44
  it's like injecting peanut butter in your glute. You cannot walk.
• 1:32:48
  And that's what I'm saying. Even all the drill sergeants know it.
• 1:32:51
  For the next day or two, they take it a little easy on you because they know you
• 1:32:55
  can't walk.
• 1:32:55
  Did you feel fever, chills kind of thing?
• 1:32:58
  I don't recall any of that.
• 1:33:00
  Yeah.
• 1:33:00
  So I don't recall any side effects from any of it.
• 1:33:02
  Yeah.
• 1:33:02
  But there were some people that got sick from a lot of that stuff.
• 1:33:04
  Yeah.
• 1:33:05
  And it was crazy because I'm telling you, right after all that, a lot of people
• 1:33:08
  ended up catching pink eye.
• 1:33:09
  Yeah.
• 1:33:11
  And then we had to go around for a second round of the
• 1:33:14
  damn penicillin shot.
• 1:33:16
  Oh my gosh.
• 1:33:16
  I was like, "We just did this a month ago."
• 1:33:19
  That's hilarious.
• 1:33:21
  No, it hurts.
• 1:33:23
  I'm telling you, as a grown a*s man, that penicillin shot hurts.
• 1:33:27
  It's like a punch in your-
• 1:33:28
  Oh, yeah
• 1:33:28
  ... glute.
• 1:33:30
  You can't sit on that butt cheek for
• 1:33:32
  two or three days.
• 1:33:33
  Oh my gosh.
• 1:33:34
  Yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Wow.
• 1:33:35
  And they're waiting for you to do something stupid so that they can have you bear
• 1:33:38
  crawling through some tire pit. You know what I mean?
• 1:33:40
  Oh, man.
• 1:33:41
  So-
• 1:33:41
  They don't want to deal with syphilis.
• 1:33:42
  So yeah. When it comes down to peptides and stuff, that's where I kind of brush
• 1:33:46
  it off on. I'm not going to let anybody tell me about my health anymore.
• 1:33:49
  There's worse things people-
• 1:33:50
  Yeah
• 1:33:50
  ... could be injecting.
• 1:33:50
  Yeah. The only person that has any regards for my health is my wife.
• 1:33:55
  Yeah.
• 1:33:55
  Like
• 1:33:56
  Yeah.
• 1:33:56
  I don't-
• 1:33:56
  Because she's taking care of you.
• 1:33:58
  Yeah. That's it. She's the one that's going to have to care for me if something
• 1:34:01
  happens. At the end of the day, it's her call.
• 1:34:03
  Yeah.
• 1:34:03
  You know? The same re-
• 1:34:03
  You grab for a milkshake, she's like, "What!"
• 1:34:05
  Yeah. So that's why I tell her like-
• 1:34:07
  "This sucks me."
• 1:34:09
  Yeah. But some people take it personal.
• 1:34:11
  I used to, and it was a bad habit, but I've even told my wife a few
• 1:34:15
  times,
• 1:34:17
  a family's health is dictated normally by the wife. Right?
• 1:34:21
  How she cooks, how she grocery shops, and again, this is if you have that
• 1:34:25
  traditional lifestyle.
• 1:34:26
  Yeah.
• 1:34:26
  And it's kind of a messed up situation to put it on, and I've started realizing
• 1:34:30
  this. We've had talks, and
• 1:34:31
  I'm too busy about worrying about money. I just eat the plate when I get home.
• 1:34:35
  Yeah.
• 1:34:35
  So if I'm fat, you see that I'm fat. I don't
• 1:34:40
  see it, right?
• 1:34:41
  Oh my God.
• 1:34:42
  I try to be-
• 1:34:43
  I'm glad you made it through-
• 1:34:44
  Yeah
• 1:34:44
  ... the last few years or whatever moment that was.
• 1:34:46
  No, trust me.
• 1:34:47
  Whew.
• 1:34:48
  I've said my fair share of stupid stuff, right?
• 1:34:51
  But to me, I'm a little more blunt. You know what I mean?
• 1:34:54
  I'm not here to hurt your feelings, but-
• 1:34:56
  Did she tell you that you were fat?
• 1:34:58
  She has several times. It's not told me that I was directly fat, but she would say,
• 1:35:02
  "Hey, baby, you're getting a little on the heavy side." Or-
• 1:35:05
  Bless her.
• 1:35:05
  Yeah. No.
• 1:35:06
  Bless her.
• 1:35:08
  So-
• 1:35:08
  She put it nicely
• 1:35:09
  ... so that's what I'm saying. So even with my kids, I try to tell them,
• 1:35:13
  I'll look at my son and I'll be like, "Hey, when's your next cut?"
• 1:35:19
  Because I need him to understand, because
• 1:35:22
  I'm telling you, it's one of those things that I do not-
• 1:35:25
  What about your daughter?
• 1:35:26
  Oh, she's on herself. Yeah, my daughter's a lot like me.
• 1:35:28
  How would you say ?
• 1:35:30
  No. I don't have to worry about either one of my daughters.
• 1:35:32
  Oh.
• 1:35:32
  So my daughter counts calories like crazy
• 1:35:36
  because she does not want to be heavy, right?
• 1:35:39
  Yeah.
• 1:35:40
  She wants to keep a woman's figure.
• 1:35:41
  Now she knows if she gets to that point of ever having kids, which kids nowadays
• 1:35:45
  don't want kids, right? They know that-
• 1:35:47
  It is so true
• 1:35:47
  ... they're financially expensive and all that, so they're like, "I want to worry
• 1:35:50
  about me."
• 1:35:51
  Yeah.
• 1:35:51
  But I tell them, "It's okay to be normal." I tell my kids, "If you
• 1:35:55
  guys think
• 1:35:57
  I'm doing something wrong, speak up."
• 1:35:59
  Yeah.
• 1:35:59
  "I'm not going to punish you. I may not be wrong.
• 1:36:01
  We'll sit down, we'll talk about it-
• 1:36:03
  Yeah
• 1:36:03
  ... and then I'll show you why I'm not wrong." But if you see- ...
• 1:36:08
  if you see-
• 1:36:09
  This is great
• 1:36:09
  ... yeah. If you see that Dad's fat-
• 1:36:11
  Yeah
• 1:36:11
  ... you can tell me, "Hey, Dad, you're getting heavy.
• 1:36:13
  You need to cut back on your food." Because you guys see me every day.
• 1:36:17
  Yeah.
• 1:36:18
  I'm not going to know-
• 1:36:18
  Maybe you'll like-
• 1:36:19
  ... until my pants don't buckle.
• 1:36:20
  Yes.
• 1:36:20
  Right?
• 1:36:21
  Yeah.
• 1:36:21
  And then you go, "Crap."
• 1:36:22
  Yeah. They call that insight. You might have-
• 1:36:24
  Yeah
• 1:36:24
  ... poor insight.
• 1:36:25
  Yeah. No, definitely. Mine's definitely bad.
• 1:36:27
  So-
• 1:36:28
  You also don't see it
• 1:36:28
  ... so I rely on-
• 1:36:29
  Like, "No, it's there."
• 1:36:30
  I rely on them-
• 1:36:31
  "Oh, thanks"
• 1:36:31
  ... all the time. "Be honest with me."
• 1:36:32
  Yeah.
• 1:36:32
  Be like, "Hey, it's time to lose 20 pounds."
• 1:36:35
  And I'm not going to get mad. I'm going to be like, "Okay."
• 1:36:38
  He'll ask you about your next cut.
• 1:36:40
  Yeah. I just tell him, "Help-
• 1:36:41
  When is it, though?
• 1:36:43
  No. I just tell him like, "Help me out.
• 1:36:45
  Let's make sure we're making healthier grocery store
• 1:36:48
  runs and stuff like that." Because again, as human nature is we like-
• 1:36:51
  Or fewer.
• 1:36:52
  Yeah. We like that dopamine hit, right?
• 1:36:55
  Yeah.
• 1:36:55
  And we'll start with one cinnamon bun or one donut, and then it'll
• 1:36:59
  start
• 1:37:00
  just getting stuck in that same old lifestyle.
• 1:37:02
  Yeah.
• 1:37:03
  So my kids have helped me out a lot. Now that I see my son
• 1:37:07
  cooking every day and staying on it, and I'll look at it and I'll go, "I can't eat
• 1:37:10
  it. Nope. I got to eat what he's eating."
• 1:37:12
  Yeah.
• 1:37:13
  Right? Because I let myself get out of hand, and it became a huge problem.
• 1:37:17
  Yeah.
• 1:37:17
  And I would say-
• 1:37:18
  You know your weak-
• 1:37:19
  Yeah
• 1:37:19
  ... areas.
• 1:37:20
  And I think a lot of people would probably be better off if they were more
• 1:37:23
  honest or if their loved ones were more honest with them.
• 1:37:26
  Yes.
• 1:37:26
  Right? And hey, it's not okay to be
• 1:37:31
  35% body fat.
• 1:37:32
  Yeah.
• 1:37:33
  You're going to
• 1:37:34
  shorten your life.
• 1:37:36
  Yes.
• 1:37:36
  Right?
• 1:37:37
  Yeah.
• 1:37:38
  If that's what you want, then cool, but nobody really wants that.
• 1:37:41
  They don't.
• 1:37:42
  So-
• 1:37:42
  And if they say that, it's like a depression statement
• 1:37:44
  ... so how about we coach each other? How about we help each other?
• 1:37:47
  How-
• 1:37:47
  Yeah.
• 1:37:48
  And I'll tell you, and I wasn't a real big people person.
• 1:37:50
  I was
• 1:37:52
  in the depression of just dealing with myself and trying to make it through the
• 1:37:56
  day.
• 1:37:56
  Yeah.
• 1:37:56
  But since starting peptides and changing my life around and noticing
• 1:38:00
  how it helps people, that's the reason we're trying to build communities and get
• 1:38:04
  the social media thing, even though we're getting banned every month, right?
• 1:38:08
  Is being-
• 1:38:08
  Honor
• 1:38:08
  ... is being able to talk to people and realize like, "Hey
• 1:38:12
  You can go have that burger, but don't do it every week.
• 1:38:16
  Yeah.
• 1:38:16
  Right? If you get the burger, don't get the fry.
• 1:38:18
  Yes.
• 1:38:19
  Or if you do, make sure you get a diet Coke. Don't drink your calories.
• 1:38:21
  Or no bun or something.
• 1:38:22
  Yeah.
• 1:38:23
  Modifications.
• 1:38:24
  So again, you don't have to be miserable in life.
• 1:38:26
  Yeah.
• 1:38:27
  But be calorie aware.
• 1:38:29
  Yes.
• 1:38:30
  Right? And again-
• 1:38:30
  I was about to say, you're describing awareness-
• 1:38:32
  Yeah
• 1:38:32
  ... which is how you fix something or solve something.
• 1:38:34
  And that's what I'm saying. We don't know, because commercials are meant to make
• 1:38:37
  money.
• 1:38:38
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:38:38
  Right?
• 1:38:39
  Yeah.
• 1:38:39
  That burger on that commercial is not the burger you get.
• 1:38:42
  Yeah.
• 1:38:42
  It is plastic. It is clay.
• 1:38:45
  Yes.
• 1:38:46
  It is fake. It is spray painted.
• 1:38:47
  Yeah.
• 1:38:48
  You know what I mean?
• 1:38:48
  No, you're right.
• 1:38:48
  Yeah.
• 1:38:49
  It's fake. All of it.
• 1:38:51
  So, think about when people used to go to the movies-
• 1:38:52
  This is real.
• 1:38:53
  When people used to go to the movies in, I think the early '90s, they used to flash
• 1:38:57
  food in between. The picture would go so quick that it ended
• 1:39:01
  up becoming illegal.
• 1:39:03
  Oh.
• 1:39:03
  So, you'd be watching a movie, and it would flash so fast only your brain would
• 1:39:06
  process it.
• 1:39:07
  Wow.
• 1:39:07
  So, you would go to the snack bar.
• 1:39:10
  Subliminal?
• 1:39:11
  Yep.
• 1:39:12
  Messaging.
• 1:39:12
  So that became illegal.
• 1:39:14
  Oh my God.
• 1:39:14
  So they're not allowed to do that anymore.
• 1:39:16
  And again, it happened so fast, we don't know if they still do it.
• 1:39:18
  That's weird.
• 1:39:19
  Yeah.
• 1:39:19
  That's so weird.
• 1:39:20
  You know, the movies are like flipping a camera or flipping pages, like when they
• 1:39:23
  used to do cartoons, right?
• 1:39:24
  Oh, man.
• 1:39:24
  But it's so fast you'd see popcorn go and come.
• 1:39:27
  Wow.
• 1:39:27
  Right? And that's one of the things that would-
• 1:39:30
  Ugh
• 1:39:30
  ... again, I think started the obesity trend.
• 1:39:33
  Makes you think.
• 1:39:34
  Yeah. So,
• 1:39:36
  that's kind of where I am, and
• 1:39:39
  my business partners can even tell me, "Hey,
• 1:39:42
  it looks like you're slacking a little bit, buddy." You know what I mean?
• 1:39:45
  And I even tell them-
• 1:39:46
  When's your next cut?
• 1:39:46
  Yeah, I even tell them, we'll do some sort of cook at work or something if we have
• 1:39:50
  some downtime or something.
• 1:39:51
  Yeah.
• 1:39:51
  And again, I'll try not to eat breakfast so I can eat unhealthy there-
• 1:39:55
  Yeah
• 1:39:56
  ... and kind of get my calories in right then, because-
• 1:39:57
  Well, it's your average, really, right?
• 1:39:59
  Yeah.
• 1:39:59
  Because one slip is not a problem.
• 1:40:01
  Yeah. I tell them a weekly average.
• 1:40:02
  Yeah.
• 1:40:03
  So, if you're 14,000-
• 1:40:04
  That's good
• 1:40:04
  ... calories in a week, track the whole week.
• 1:40:06
  Yeah.
• 1:40:06
  That way you can have hiccups.
• 1:40:07
  Yeah.
• 1:40:08
  You know what I mean?
• 1:40:08
  Yeah. It's about progress, not perfection.
• 1:40:10
  Yep.
• 1:40:10
  Truly.
• 1:40:10
  Because you can literally not eat for three days, and then in one day eat all the
• 1:40:14
  calories for four days, and then you're-
• 1:40:16
  You're still fine.
• 1:40:17
  Yep.
• 1:40:17
  Yeah.
• 1:40:18
  So-
• 1:40:18
  Yeah
• 1:40:19
  ... I think that's the biggest thing is people not getting their feelings
• 1:40:22
  hurt, and that's hard, right? Because even I get my feelings hurt.
• 1:40:25
  Yeah.
• 1:40:26
  If my wife was to tell me I was fat, it would hurt my feelings, right?
• 1:40:30
  At the end of the day, it would. But you could come off nicer ways, which-
• 1:40:33
  What if she's kidding?
• 1:40:35
  I'm just joking.
• 1:40:36
  No.
• 1:40:36
  Yeah. No, I'm just joking.
• 1:40:37
  I don't know. Like I said, when it comes to my wife, I tell everybody, even
• 1:40:41
  in my TikTok lives, I'm a Velcro baby.
• 1:40:43
  Yeah.
• 1:40:43
  I can sit by my wife all day, every day.
• 1:40:46
  She's more of a distance child. She needs her space.
• 1:40:48
  She likes me time.
• 1:40:49
  Yeah. So, and I don't do too well with that.
• 1:40:51
  So it's like I could annoy the s**t out of her just by laying on her, you know what
• 1:40:55
  I mean?
• 1:40:56
  But that's where-
• 1:40:59
  Interesting. That's a cute term
• 1:41:01
  ... I've even had to work on it a little bit because I can be too harsh.
• 1:41:04
  Like, "Hey, you're hefty," or, "You're getting big."
• 1:41:08
  You know what I mean? That's why I started throwing things in like, "Hey, when's
• 1:41:11
  your next cut?"
• 1:41:12
  Abbad.
• 1:41:13
  Yeah. Well-
• 1:41:15
  ... no, I've had to work on it. But again, working in the blue-collar industry, you
• 1:41:19
  work with a different type of language you get used to-
• 1:41:21
  Yeah
• 1:41:22
  ... that you take it home, you don't realize it.
• 1:41:24
  So my wife used to-
• 1:41:25
  It is kind of a guy banter.
• 1:41:26
  Yeah. So definitely, my wife used-
• 1:41:28
  Girls don't joke like that.
• 1:41:29
  No. My wife used to tell me, "Stop talking to me like you're bro."
• 1:41:33
  And I don't even realize-
• 1:41:34
  I've had to say that
• 1:41:35
  ... I don't even realize I'm doing it.
• 1:41:36
  You're so right.
• 1:41:36
  Even to this day-
• 1:41:37
  Yes
• 1:41:37
  ... I'm like-
• 1:41:38
  I'm not, ooh
• 1:41:39
  ... I'm like, "I didn't say that."
• 1:41:40
  I'm not your-
• 1:41:40
  And she's like, "Yes, you did." And I-
• 1:41:41
  ... guy friend
• 1:41:42
  ... I have to believe it. And I'm like, "Oh, I know I didn't," but she says I did.
• 1:41:45
  You know? Ugh.
• 1:41:47
  Because my brain, it doesn't process it, right?
• 1:41:49
  Yeah.
• 1:41:49
  I'm telling you, that's why I said
• 1:41:52
  earlier, guys are dumb. We are.
• 1:41:54
  We don't think anything on the same train that you guys do.
• 1:41:58
  Yeah.
• 1:41:58
  You know what I mean? We're just go, go, go, go.
• 1:42:00
  We're a little bit more intentional with our words.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, definitely.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah.
• 1:42:02
  That's why your guys' words are hurtful. Right?
• 1:42:05
  So-
• 1:42:06
  As they should be.
• 1:42:07
  It-
• 1:42:07
  Because it was meant-
• 1:42:08
  Yeah
• 1:42:08
  ... and sent that way.
• 1:42:09
  So if my wife was to tell me I was fat, it was meant,
• 1:42:14
  right? It was-
• 1:42:15
  She would deeply mean it.
• 1:42:16
  Yeah. Yeah. She-
• 1:42:17
  It would've been thought about.
• 1:42:18
  Yeah. Oh, yeah, for weeks.
• 1:42:19
  Oh.
• 1:42:20
  Yeah, it would've been.
• 1:42:20
  You're so right.
• 1:42:21
  So yeah. That's how it is. So,
• 1:42:23
  definitely-
• 1:42:23
  For it to finally come out
• 1:42:25
  ... she's a little more about it. Over the years she's like, "Hey, baby, I'm going
• 1:42:28
  to start meal prepping for you for your lunches," and I can already tell that's
• 1:42:31
  where it comes. But at least she's doing it on the nice side, right?
• 1:42:34
  That's so nice.
• 1:42:34
  Right? No, it is.
• 1:42:35
  It's almost like you couldn't miss it.
• 1:42:37
  But the bad thing is, if I could go back 10 years and realize that
• 1:42:41
  I was such an a*****e because of the pain I was in-
• 1:42:43
  Mm-hmm
• 1:42:43
  ... my marriage would've been so much better.
• 1:42:46
  It's a good marriage, but it could've been-
• 1:42:47
  Yeah
• 1:42:47
  ... that much better because-
• 1:42:48
  You lost time
• 1:42:49
  ... I didn't realize I was screwing up because I was unhappy with how I was
• 1:42:53
  feeling, right?
• 1:42:53
  Yes.
• 1:42:54
  Because my wife used to do
• 1:42:57
  all kinds of stuff to help me get healthy, and I didn't even notice it.
• 1:43:00
  Yeah.
• 1:43:00
  You know what I mean?
• 1:43:01
  Yeah.
• 1:43:01
  And I'm like, "Damn.
• 1:43:04
  I was big, and I didn't realize it. And I was just going to work, and I was-"
• 1:43:07
  Well, she'll tell you now.
• 1:43:08
  Yeah. So, no, yeah.
• 1:43:11
  So it's that-
• 1:43:11
  We're in the era of honesty
• 1:43:12
  ... no, and that's the thing is, me being that way has definitely made her a little
• 1:43:16
  more blunt.
• 1:43:17
  Yeah.
• 1:43:18
  So, I
• 1:43:20
  got to take it, right?
• 1:43:21
  Yeah.
• 1:43:21
  I kind of did it.
• 1:43:22
  Yeah, you did. But you know what? You opened up the space for honesty-
• 1:43:26
  Yeah
• 1:43:26
  ... awareness, so you can fix it.
• 1:43:28
  Yeah.
• 1:43:28
  If you can see it, talk about it, then you fix it.
• 1:43:31
  Yeah. No.
• 1:43:31
  So behaviors will change.
• 1:43:32
  And that's the big thing, even in our communities, I tell everybody is,
• 1:43:36
  calories in, calories out, be self-aware.
• 1:43:39
  Yeah.
• 1:43:40
  When people say, "Don't step on the scale every day," I don't like that.
• 1:43:43
  Mm.
• 1:43:43
  Step on the scale every day.
• 1:43:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:43:45
  That way you know that number's not going up.
• 1:43:47
  Yeah.
• 1:43:48
  It may not go down- ... but it's not going up.
• 1:43:51
  Yeah.
• 1:43:51
  And we don't want it to go up.
• 1:43:52
  We need data. We need outside data, whether it's a wearable
• 1:43:56
  device, I like the RingConn-
• 1:43:58
  Mm-hmm
• 1:43:59
  ... or a scale or blood work or conversations
• 1:44:03
  about how you physically have changed or behaviors have changed.
• 1:44:07
  That's how we fix things and do better.
• 1:44:08
  Yeah.
• 1:44:09
  But-
• 1:44:10
  You can't always-
• 1:44:11
  But again, I think that's where they're pushing things off, and again, it's
• 1:44:15
  all money and government and who's getting what, right?
• 1:44:19
  Yeah.
• 1:44:19
  Because I'm telling you, I'm a firm believer, I don't think anybody can change my
• 1:44:22
  mind, I think
• 1:44:23
  peptides are just the entry of the future of medical.
• 1:44:27
  Yeah. I'm a fan of peptides, biologics.
• 1:44:29
  There's just like-
• 1:44:30
  Yeah
• 1:44:30
  ... we're scratching the surface.
• 1:44:31
  Oh, yeah
• 1:44:32
  Medications have had their time.
• 1:44:35
  And even when they say-
• 1:44:36
  Their moment's passed
• 1:44:36
  ... yeah, and that's what they say. So medications are like a sledgehammer, right?
• 1:44:39
  They're forcing your body to do something.
• 1:44:41
  And peptides are just-
• 1:44:42
  Yes, chemically
• 1:44:42
  ... are just guiding.
• 1:44:44
  Yes.
• 1:44:44
  Right? They're just saying, "Hey, do this a little better.
• 1:44:45
  Do this a little better."
• 1:44:45
  And I feel the same about modalities-
• 1:44:47
  Okay
• 1:44:47
  ... which is a non-medical, chemical option to do like red light therapy-
• 1:44:51
  Yeah
• 1:44:51
  ... cold plunge.
• 1:44:52
  Yeah. No, definitely
• 1:44:53
  Right? Like sweating.
• 1:44:54
  Yeah, because it's telling your body to do something.
• 1:44:56
  Yes, exactly.
• 1:44:57
  No, and that definitely does work.
• 1:45:00
  Yes.
• 1:45:02
  The aspect of having a cold plunge is, oh man, I used to hate those.
• 1:45:05
  Even when playing in sports, you had to get-
• 1:45:06
  You're there for a purpose.
• 1:45:07
  Yeah, I know.
• 1:45:09
  Not a good time.
• 1:45:09
  It's definitely harsh.
• 1:45:10
  Yes.
• 1:45:11
  It definitely makes the heart work a little harder, right?
• 1:45:13
  Good.
• 1:45:13
  You're burning calories without even trying.
• 1:45:15
  Yes. Like a workout.
• 1:45:17
  Yeah. No, definitely need to get one of those for sure.
• 1:45:19
  Yeah.
• 1:45:20
  But, especially being where we're at, when it's 115, I think it'll work great.
• 1:45:23
  Oh, yeah. I know, right? You go outside for your sauna-
• 1:45:26
  Yeah
• 1:45:26
  ... detox, and then cold plunge.
• 1:45:27
  And then cold plunge.
• 1:45:28
  Yes.
• 1:45:29
  Hopefully you don't die.
• 1:45:30
  Just stay for five minutes.
• 1:45:32
  Yeah, no.
• 1:45:32
  Three to five, you're fine.
• 1:45:33
  No, definitely. So,
• 1:45:36
  I'm a big fan of it. Again, it's changed my life 100%.
• 1:45:39
  Yeah.
• 1:45:40
  Obviously I've seen it change people really close to me.
• 1:45:43
  Yeah.
• 1:45:44
  My wife is my biggest driver, and seeing her do better, it just makes
• 1:45:48
  me feel better, so.
• 1:45:49
  Yeah.
• 1:45:49
  And my kids see it.
• 1:45:50
  Yes.
• 1:45:51
  The kids see the energy and the working out and all that, and it just makes them
• 1:45:54
  push that much better, you know what I mean?
• 1:45:56
  Absolutely.
• 1:45:56
  So you're building generational wealth in a different way.
• 1:45:59
  Ooh, I like that.
• 1:46:00
  Yeah.
• 1:46:01
  Yes.
• 1:46:01
  Yeah.
• 1:46:01
  That's the real investment.
• 1:46:02
  So yeah, that's it. That's why I said money is important, but like they've always
• 1:46:06
  said, money's not everything.
• 1:46:07
  Yes.
• 1:46:08
  It's not, but it is a big help.
• 1:46:10
  Yes.
• 1:46:10
  Your health is everything.
• 1:46:12
  Yes.
• 1:46:12
  Because without health, you can't make money.
• 1:46:14
  You can't. Nothing else really falls in line.
• 1:46:16
  Think about it. You go in the lotto and your health is crap and you die the next
• 1:46:20
  day, and then-
• 1:46:21
  It's terrible.
• 1:46:22
  Yeah.
• 1:46:22
  No, I see so many people who have so much money, but they
• 1:46:26
  don't know how to fix themselves.
• 1:46:28
  Yeah. Well, the big thing is-
• 1:46:30
  And I'm like, "That is awful"
• 1:46:31
  ... so think about retirements. People typically retire within three to five years,
• 1:46:35
  or they die three to five years after retirement.
• 1:46:38
  Yes.
• 1:46:38
  I don't want to be that person.
• 1:46:40
  In that case, in that scenario, I really think it's a lack of
• 1:46:43
  purpose. So redefining-
• 1:46:45
  Yeah
• 1:46:45
  ... your purpose in every single stage-
• 1:46:47
  Yeah
• 1:46:47
  ... of your decisions is a huge part of that.
• 1:46:51
  Well, I think that's why men do so badly if their wife passes away when they're
• 1:46:54
  older, right?
• 1:46:55
  Yeah.
• 1:46:55
  Because we basically only went to get money for our family,
• 1:46:59
  and now you lose the one you love, and now you don't know what to do with your
• 1:47:02
  life, right?
• 1:47:03
  Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  So that's why you got to pick up hobbies like fishing and stuff like that, right?
• 1:47:07
  Yeah.
• 1:47:07
  I mean, I'm not a big fisher, but a lot of men lean that way, is fishing, hunting,
• 1:47:10
  stuff like that.
• 1:47:11
  Yeah.
• 1:47:11
  But I do see myself working as long as possible, but my goal,
• 1:47:15
  and what's going to keep me going, is making sure my kids are financially set.
• 1:47:20
  Yes.
• 1:47:20
  You know what I mean?
• 1:47:21
  Yes.
• 1:47:21
  So
• 1:47:22
  even after I retire, I'm still going to be trying to make some sort of money to
• 1:47:26
  help them.
• 1:47:27
  Based on your daughter's whiteboard, she's fine.
• 1:47:29
  Yeah, no, she's good.
• 1:47:30
  She's so good.
• 1:47:31
  Yeah, no.
• 1:47:33
  And that's why I say, my oldest daughter, she's a petroleum engineer.
• 1:47:36
  So,
• 1:47:37
  she's, yeah-
• 1:47:38
  Love it
• 1:47:39
  ... the girls definitely, their brains are working strong.
• 1:47:41
  She's doing math. She's, yeah-
• 1:47:42
  Yeah.
• 1:47:43
  ... she's optimized with her health. Solid.
• 1:47:45
  Yeah, working strong.
• 1:47:47
  Well done.
• 1:47:50
  So, yeah, and that's why I said,
• 1:47:52
  my biggest thing is just educating and making people aware.
• 1:47:55
  Yeah.
• 1:47:56
  What you run with is what you run with.
• 1:47:58
  I'm going to give you a little bit of information. Go read.
• 1:48:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:48:01
  And that's one thing I hate doing, is reading.
• 1:48:03
  But-
• 1:48:03
  I love it
• 1:48:03
  ... but even I've gotten into reading and-
• 1:48:06
  Yeah
• 1:48:06
  ... going through certain articles and like clinical trials-
• 1:48:09
  Put it on audio
• 1:48:09
  ... and yeah. And even if you have to, going to
• 1:48:13
  YouTube and finding people that are knowledgeable-
• 1:48:15
  Yeah
• 1:48:15
  ... and not just talking out, you know what I mean?
• 1:48:18
  Yes.
• 1:48:19
  And kind of fact-checking them and seeing who can be trusted, right?
• 1:48:22
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:48:23
  I think that's helped me out a lot, and that's kind of where my hobby has went,
• 1:48:29
  is trying to really focus on health.
• 1:48:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:48:32
  And if I would've known about it 15 years ago, I'd have probably been-
• 1:48:35
  A game changer.
• 1:48:36
  Yeah. I wouldn't be half as bad as I am now, that's for sure.
• 1:48:39
  Well, you're doing pretty good, and you can turn it around, which is the really-
• 1:48:42
  Yeah
• 1:48:42
  ... cool thing.
• 1:48:43
  Nope, definitely. So we'll see where the future goes.
• 1:48:46
  Yeah.
• 1:48:46
  I know, today I think they're supposed to be doing the whole biologic thing with
• 1:48:50
  the
• 1:48:51
  Eli Lilly and Rayada.
• 1:48:53
  Oh.
• 1:48:53
  So they're supposed to be having the finding on that, if they're going to classify
• 1:48:56
  it as a biologic.
• 1:48:57
  Oh, at the vote.
• 1:48:58
  Yeah.
• 1:48:58
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:48:59
  I think it is today.
• 1:49:01
  I wonder how that vote's going to go.
• 1:49:04
  I think it's not going to get classified as a biologic, in my opinion.
• 1:49:06
  I don't think so either. It's not big enough.
• 1:49:07
  Because they have to take several of their decisions in-
• 1:49:11
  Mm-hmm
• 1:49:11
  ... and it has to be a standard thing that they've used before.
• 1:49:14
  Yeah.
• 1:49:15
  And they've used this, I was actually reading up on it.
• 1:49:17
  They did it on another case. I can't remember what the case was.
• 1:49:21
  But it's already been where it has to be 41 or more.
• 1:49:24
  Yeah. Yep. Exactly.
• 1:49:26
  So if they do this-
• 1:49:27
  No
• 1:49:27
  ... they didn't stay within their line.
• 1:49:29
  Yeah.
• 1:49:30
  Why did you not stay within your line?
• 1:49:31
  I think they're doing that on BPC.
• 1:49:32
  Yeah. They might be.
• 1:49:34
  Yeah.
• 1:49:36
  So, I don't think it'll be classified as a biologic.
• 1:49:38
  Yeah, I don't think so either.
• 1:49:38
  I don't think it should be. I don't think anybody should withhold things that
• 1:49:42
  help with longevity. I get it. They
• 1:49:45
  did all the research and all that. They should be able to get their money back and
• 1:49:49
  some. I get it. You did the hard work.
• 1:49:51
  Yeah.
• 1:49:51
  But at the end of the day, you can't have a monopoly.
• 1:49:55
  You know what I mean?
• 1:49:56
  Yeah.
• 1:49:56
  And I think that's the big thing is when I was a kid, I was always told monopolies
• 1:50:00
  were basically banned. They're illegal. Government won't let you have it.
• 1:50:02
  Yeah, we were taught that. Right.
• 1:50:04
  We were taught that.
• 1:50:04
  Yeah.
• 1:50:04
  And that's why you always had, you know-
• 1:50:06
  So why do we have them?
• 1:50:07
  ... five or six different companies.
• 1:50:08
  But now-
• 1:50:09
  Yeah
• 1:50:09
  ... now you have three companies.
• 1:50:10
  Yeah.
• 1:50:11
  And none of it's affordable.
• 1:50:12
  Lies.
• 1:50:13
  Right?
• 1:50:13
  Yeah.
• 1:50:14
  That's why I said, how long until Amazon's running pharmaceuticals?
• 1:50:18
  They pretty much are.
• 1:50:20
  Well, yeah, but they're not doing what Eli Lilly and Novo's doing, right?
• 1:50:24
  How long until they have enough money, they could probably take them over.
• 1:50:27
  I think you're right.
• 1:50:28
  You know what I mean?
• 1:50:28
  Yeah, because they have their medication options.
• 1:50:31
  They have-
• 1:50:31
  And think about it, and they're affordable So people don't like Amazon
• 1:50:35
  for certain things, right?
• 1:50:36
  They're under market-
• 1:50:37
  But-
• 1:50:37
  ... so it cuts out a lot of-
• 1:50:39
  Because they think about it like this.
• 1:50:41
  They can make their money by selling to more people.
• 1:50:44
  Yes.
• 1:50:44
  Why do I have to sell to 10-
• 1:50:46
  They volume commit
• 1:50:46
  ... at $100 when I can sell to 100 at $1 and still make the
• 1:50:50
  same profit?
• 1:50:51
  Yeah.
• 1:50:51
  Right?
• 1:50:52
  Yeah.
• 1:50:52
  So that's kind of where my train of thought is, how about we help more people
• 1:50:56
  and still make some?
• 1:50:58
  Yeah.
• 1:50:58
  Why are we only helping certain people?
• 1:51:00
  Yeah.
• 1:51:00
  You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, the people are the power.
• 1:51:03
  Yeah.
• 1:51:04
  But when are the people going to stand up for themselves?
• 1:51:08
  I think they're getting pretty close.
• 1:51:09
  I still think... I don't have that much faith in humanity.
• 1:51:12
  Yeah?
• 1:51:13
  No. I think-
• 1:51:13
  Man
• 1:51:13
  ... too many people just bite the lip and go to work.
• 1:51:16
  Yeah.
• 1:51:16
  Right? We don't want the extra stress.
• 1:51:17
  They're just trying to survive.
• 1:51:18
  Right? And that's why I said, I'm not a big government person, but that's why I
• 1:51:22
  think a lot of people don't vote because they know in their opinion, their vote
• 1:51:25
  doesn't matter. Right? You can only pick from two people-
• 1:51:28
  Yeah
• 1:51:28
  ... and they're going to pick the lesser of the two evils.
• 1:51:31
  Yeah.
• 1:51:31
  Because at the end of the day, they're all kind of still together.
• 1:51:33
  Someone's a fake.
• 1:51:35
  Yeah. They're all going to do what they want to do no matter what.
• 1:51:37
  Right.
• 1:51:38
  So, and the only way to change that is for all
• 1:51:42
  the people to stand up.
• 1:51:43
  Yes.
• 1:51:44
  Right? Like they kind of say, "Everybody go exempt." If everybody
• 1:51:48
  did-
• 1:51:48
  Yeah
• 1:51:48
  ... somebody's going to be like, "Oh, crap."
• 1:51:50
  Well, that's what I'm really hoping to achieve with this platform.
• 1:51:53
  Right.
• 1:51:53
  That's why it is "Black Sheep"-
• 1:51:55
  Yep
• 1:51:55
  ... because it's like, let's not just fall in line. Let's actually say why.
• 1:51:59
  Yeah.
• 1:51:59
  Let's actually look into why we're doing things or who decided
• 1:52:03
  testosterone,
• 1:52:05
  1.75 is acceptable.
• 1:52:07
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:52:08
  Garbage.
• 1:52:08
  And that's what I'm working on-
• 1:52:09
  Ugh
• 1:52:09
  ... is I just want people to ask the questions on-
• 1:52:12
  Yes
• 1:52:12
  ... just because you have a degree or a license-
• 1:52:16
  Yes
• 1:52:16
  ... you're just being taught what the guy before you taught you.
• 1:52:18
  Yes, and we're not saying like, "Who's this guy?"
• 1:52:21
  Yeah.
• 1:52:22
  So-
• 1:52:22
  Because George said.
• 1:52:24
  Yeah.
• 1:52:24
  Okay, what did George do?
• 1:52:26
  So how about we start getting like the...
• 1:52:28
  So, in blue collar work, they always tell you, especially nowadays,
• 1:52:32
  is the newest person wearing the green hat, if he uses,
• 1:52:36
  say, a stop work authority, right?
• 1:52:38
  He's probably seeing something that you don't see because you've done it
• 1:52:42
  every day.
• 1:52:43
  Yeah.
• 1:52:43
  So how about you just look at it and be like, "What do you see?"
• 1:52:48
  And then you kind of evaluate and be like, "No, that's not a hazard."
• 1:52:50
  And then you crush him.
• 1:52:51
  Well, yeah. That's afterwards, right?
• 1:52:53
  But nine times out of 10, he's going to see something that you've just ignored.
• 1:52:56
  Yeah.
• 1:52:57
  So how about we get some-
• 1:52:59
  That's exactly right
• 1:52:59
  ... people that look at health from a different point of view?
• 1:53:02
  I love that.
• 1:53:03
  Right?
• 1:53:03
  That's exactly right.
• 1:53:04
  So when you do these clinical trials, like I spoke with a lady a month and a half
• 1:53:07
  ago. She was in a clinical trial that ended up giving her blood clots and stuff.
• 1:53:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:53:11
  Right? And because they sign all these non-disclosures and all this, they can't
• 1:53:15
  sue. They signed up for the clinical trial.
• 1:53:17
  Yeah.
• 1:53:17
  They'd get nothing out of it. They're basically just waiting to die now, right?
• 1:53:20
  That's the way she explained it to me.
• 1:53:23
  If you can sign people up for clinical trials-
• 1:53:26
  Mm-hmm
• 1:53:26
  ... why can't I volunteer for peptides?
• 1:53:28
  Because people-
• 1:53:29
  Yeah
• 1:53:29
  ... don't want to put the money in for the research.
• 1:53:31
  Yes.
• 1:53:32
  Right?
• 1:53:32
  Yes.
• 1:53:32
  How about you allow people to
• 1:53:36
  set tax dollars to the side-
• 1:53:38
  Mm-hmm
• 1:53:38
  ... and make that decision to fix our
• 1:53:41
  healthcare system? Where the-
• 1:53:42
  There's a website that's actually offering that.
• 1:53:45
  Really?
• 1:53:45
  Yes. I have to look up what it is, but I ran into it randomly
• 1:53:50
  when I was looking for really good references and just different papers that are
• 1:53:53
  out. Because the question I had for myself was, are people
• 1:53:57
  doing, are they funding it? Because we're saying, well, why isn't the government
• 1:54:01
  doing it? But if we were also saying, well, why don't we just pay for it?
• 1:54:04
  Yeah, I think that's what we're going to end up having to do.
• 1:54:06
  Yeah, that's happening.
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  But the problem is I think once we do that, then the people above us
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  are going to do things to cover it or hide it or-
• 1:54:15
  Well, it's a numbers game.
• 1:54:16
  Yeah, it is.
• 1:54:16
  Because if there's more of us, which there's thousands and thousands, and
• 1:54:20
  ideally millions and millions-
• 1:54:21
  Yeah
• 1:54:22
  ... it's numbers, and we need more numbers.
• 1:54:23
  I'm hoping we can do something like that-
• 1:54:26
  Yeah
• 1:54:26
  ... and if everybody pitches in, say, $5 or $10 for this-
• 1:54:29
  Yes
• 1:54:29
  ... random thing-
• 1:54:30
  Yes
• 1:54:30
  ... I think that would be great because I think the whole concept of
• 1:54:34
  universal healthcare sounds good, right?
• 1:54:36
  Yes.
• 1:54:37
  Everybody deserves some sort of healthcare, right?
• 1:54:39
  It's a cute concept.
• 1:54:40
  Yeah, it just doesn't always-
• 1:54:42
  The logistics-
• 1:54:42
  It just doesn't always work
• 1:54:43
  ... aren't there
• 1:54:43
  Somebody has to pay for it, right?
• 1:54:45
  Yes.
• 1:54:45
  Because again, it's a numbers game.
• 1:54:47
  Yes.
• 1:54:47
  So if there's certain things like peptides that can help kind of
• 1:54:51
  soften the-
• 1:54:52
  Mm-hmm
• 1:54:53
  ... whole system-
• 1:54:54
  Yes
• 1:54:55
  ... why don't we put money into that?
• 1:54:58
  Yeah.
• 1:54:58
  And that can kind of be a starter of the universal healthcare.
• 1:55:01
  Yes.
• 1:55:02
  And yet we still have the, "Oh, crap, he had a heart attack."
• 1:55:04
  Yes.
• 1:55:05
  Right?
• 1:55:05
  Yeah.
• 1:55:06
  So obviously, if you're going to the doctor less, the insurance companies are going
• 1:55:10
  to have more money.
• 1:55:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:55:11
  Which means they're going to cover more surgeries because they're...
• 1:55:14
  You know what I mean?
• 1:55:14
  Yeah.
• 1:55:15
  You start thinking of by the book or on the paper-
• 1:55:17
  Right
• 1:55:17
  ... right? Kind of like with homeowners insurance, right?
• 1:55:20
  Yeah.
• 1:55:20
  If they're paying out a lot because of all these wildfires, somebody's going to pay
• 1:55:23
  for that because they're still going to make their profit.
• 1:55:25
  Yeah.
• 1:55:26
  Right?
• 1:55:26
  Yes.
• 1:55:27
  So what can we do to not have those?
• 1:55:29
  Yeah.
• 1:55:30
  What is the cost benefit? And right now, I think peptides are the cheapest, most
• 1:55:34
  effective way-
• 1:55:34
  They are
• 1:55:35
  ... to help people stay healthy before the issue starts.
• 1:55:39
  Yes.
• 1:55:39
  Now, you can't help with the-
• 1:55:41
  Which is awesome
• 1:55:41
  ... you can't help with the genetic issues or the off-the-wall types of-
• 1:55:45
  No, we can, though. The thing is, the next step is that we can.
• 1:55:48
  Yeah, is messing with the DNA?
• 1:55:49
  Yeah.
• 1:55:50
  Yeah, I know.
• 1:55:50
  So that's like a whole other animal.
• 1:55:52
  That is, right. We're trying peptides first. We'll work on that second.
• 1:55:55
  How do we solve that problem without getting murdered?
• 1:55:57
  Yeah, no, I got you. So, I'm telling you,
• 1:56:01
  I think no matter how much they push back, they know they can't stop the peptide
• 1:56:05
  industry.
• 1:56:05
  Yeah.
• 1:56:06
  They can definitely halt it. They can start doing some things
• 1:56:10
  to scare people.
• 1:56:11
  Yeah.
• 1:56:11
  But some people are willing to gamble.
• 1:56:13
  Yeah.
• 1:56:14
  So-
• 1:56:14
  I like it.
• 1:56:15
  Yep.
• 1:56:15
  So be brave and go with what you believe in.
• 1:56:18
  Yep.
• 1:56:19
  And do your own research.
• 1:56:20
  Definitely.
• 1:56:21
  And I think we need to figure out the funding situation.
• 1:56:23
  Yeah, I think the funding and getting people to actually read up on it are the
• 1:56:27
  two biggest things.
• 1:56:28
  Yes.
• 1:56:29
  Don't ask somebody what to do.
• 1:56:31
  Yeah.
• 1:56:32
  If you're asking somebody what to do, you better at least done the
• 1:56:35
  intermediate, right? It's-
• 1:56:37
  To see what has-
• 1:56:37
  Yeah
• 1:56:38
  ... actually been done.
• 1:56:38
  At least have some sort of start of it.
• 1:56:41
  Who's done what?
• 1:56:42
  Yeah. And when you're like, "Oh, I'm going to start BPC." Okay, what does it do?
• 1:56:46
  Mm-hmm
• 1:56:47
  Okay. If you tell me, "Well, it helps with recovery." Okay, now
• 1:56:51
  you know that.
• 1:56:51
  Yes.
• 1:56:52
  What is it pushing?
• 1:56:53
  Yes.
• 1:56:53
  "Oh, well, it helps with the blood flow and the vascularity and the angiogenesis."
• 1:56:57
  Right.
• 1:56:57
  Okay.
• 1:56:58
  Yeah.
• 1:56:58
  Now I can help you.
• 1:57:00
  Yeah.
• 1:57:00
  Because at least you've done a little bit of the homework.
• 1:57:02
  Yes.
• 1:57:02
  You know what I mean?
• 1:57:03
  Yeah.
• 1:57:03
  So then I'll help educate you and push some
• 1:57:07
  trials to you or some little information, this little book-
• 1:57:10
  Yes
• 1:57:10
  ... this little reference. But I'm not going to go just give you all this
• 1:57:13
  information or just say, "Hey, this helps when you feel better."
• 1:57:16
  Yeah.
• 1:57:16
  Right?
• 1:57:17
  Yeah.
• 1:57:17
  Obviously, I can tell you it helps you feel better, but you need-
• 1:57:19
  Well, some people, they're not ready for that higher level conversation.
• 1:57:23
  Yeah.
• 1:57:23
  So kind of just like matching somebody where they are.
• 1:57:25
  Yep.
• 1:57:26
  Giving solutions that are safe and here's why, or if you're bored and you want to
• 1:57:29
  read more about it, here's a good website that has the hosting website
• 1:57:33
  of all of the different
• 1:57:36
  papers and what do we know.
• 1:57:38
  Well, no, and that's why I say, so even on our website, we have all the
• 1:57:43
  references.
• 1:57:43
  Awesome.
• 1:57:44
  Under the products, we have clinical trials.
• 1:57:46
  We have, if it's just done on lab rats or cultures-
• 1:57:48
  So you're doing this
• 1:57:49
  ... it's there. They just got to open it up.
• 1:57:51
  Okay. What's your website?
• 1:57:52
  It's madaminos.com.
• 1:57:54
  M-A-D.
• 1:57:54
  Yep.
• 1:57:55
  Aminos.
• 1:57:55
  Yep.
• 1:57:56
  .com
• 1:57:56
  Madaminos.com.
• 1:57:57
  Okay. You guys check that out because this is where we really
• 1:58:01
  start.
• 1:58:02
  Yep.
• 1:58:02
  This is where we start.
• 1:58:03
  Yep.
• 1:58:03
  So if you're a newbie, you don't know anything about peptides, and you're
• 1:58:07
  also
• 1:58:09
  smart enough to know, "Hey, send me the COA," but you don't even know what that
• 1:58:11
  means.
• 1:58:13
  So it's certificate of analysis.
• 1:58:14
  This is the guy.
• 1:58:15
  Yeah.
• 1:58:16
  Yeah.
• 1:58:17
  Everything's got to be third-party tested just to verify.
• 1:58:19
  So that's the good thing is if it is US finished, then it's
• 1:58:23
  already been tested three times. I'm just testing it again with our
• 1:58:27
  label on it. So-
• 1:58:28
  And would I pay you for the testing?
• 1:58:31
  Would I be able to do that?
• 1:58:33
  What do you mean?
• 1:58:34
  If I'm like, "I want to test this bottle," is that how it works?
• 1:58:37
  Would I say, "Here's a bottle that I want to have tested?"
• 1:58:40
  No, it's already tested in batches.
• 1:58:41
  Okay.
• 1:58:42
  So just like the pharmaceutical companies do it.
• 1:58:44
  Okay.
• 1:58:44
  They test five to 10 out of every batch.
• 1:58:46
  Okay.
• 1:58:47
  Again, working with our sister company, we have the same batches.
• 1:58:51
  So it's already being tested-
• 1:58:53
  I see
• 1:58:53
  ... multiple times because we're sharing.
• 1:58:54
  So you're cross-checking.
• 1:58:55
  Yeah.
• 1:58:56
  Perfect.
• 1:58:57
  And again, it being finished here in the US, it's already regulated on
• 1:59:01
  top of that. Plus, it's already been tested for sterility,
• 1:59:04
  endotoxins, heavy metals.
• 1:59:07
  It's been tested three times before it's ever sold as a research item.
• 1:59:11
  Amazing. Well, thank you for so much that you do and for spending your time with
• 1:59:15
  me in the studio.
• 1:59:16
  Thank you for having me.
• 1:59:17
  I have really learned a lot and laughed a lot.
• 1:59:21
  Nope, that's great.
• 1:59:21
  Thank you so much, Adam.
• 1:59:22
  Nope, thank you.
• 1:59:23
  All right, take care.