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Ep. 124 : AL East Preview With Matt Frank · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode one twenty four of
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  Speaker 1: Cards and Categories. I'm Mike cool Art from rams Ball,
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  Speaker 1: joined as always by my very good friend Jeremy Brewer,
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  Speaker 1: also from Raansball. How you doing tonight, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: We are hanging in there, trying to stay nice and
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  Speaker 2: warm like the rest of the United States. I was
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  Speaker 2: talking to somebody in Arizona today and they said, it's
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  Speaker 2: a whole sixty five degrees, so it's pretty cold everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they probably still put on their winter coat.
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  Speaker 1: I think they did.
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  Speaker 2: They said there's a whole fifteen degrees below sunlight. But
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely turning the seasons. And nothing better to talk
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  Speaker 2: about to warm us up than a little bit of baseball.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm excited about the session tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We are speaking here on Wednesday, January twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 1: and our main segment, we're gonna preview the vaunted Al East.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot of great teams the Al East
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  Speaker 1: this year, so because of that, you've also got lots
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  Speaker 1: of fantasy possibilities. Coming back to preview the division with
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  Speaker 1: us is once again Marmo's Dad aka Matt Frank aka
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  Speaker 1: mister Top one hundred pitchers from ras Ball. So if
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  Speaker 1: you've been listening to the podcast in these previews the
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  Speaker 1: past couple of years, you know and love him because
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  Speaker 1: he's been our go to ale least guru with his
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  Speaker 1: expertise as a Blue Jays fan. So we have a
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  Speaker 1: great conversation with him coming up, getting into those buys
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  Speaker 1: and sells across the division. Always a great time to
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  Speaker 1: have Matt on. So before we get into that, though,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into some of the news and notes. I
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  Speaker 1: know that we're coming off are you still Are you
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  Speaker 1: recovered from last week's pod? It was quite the marathon,
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  Speaker 1: but this week we've got slightly fewer transactions to get through, so.
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  Speaker 2: Slightly fewer I think got recovered, but it's it might
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  Speaker 2: be nice to have a little lighter transaction week because
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  Speaker 2: I think we had to go through about forty and
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  Speaker 2: like twenty minutes, and I'm sure we failed actually getting
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  Speaker 2: through in that speed.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's all It feels like this always happens
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  Speaker 1: in this period of January, where like every team in
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  Speaker 1: the front office is like crap, I've got to book
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  Speaker 1: all my travel arrangements to get to pictures and catchers
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  Speaker 1: in spring training on time and like find my Airbnb
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  Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: maybe happen this week is we have a very limited
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  Speaker 1: slate of transactions to get into. Like I said, so
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  Speaker 1: we've got first, the biggest one of the week. It
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  Speaker 1: actually broke right after we had recorded our other podcast
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  Speaker 1: last week, when we even broke the Freddie Perlza trade
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  Speaker 1: to the Mets Live. This is another picture being traded,
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  Speaker 1: and this time we have Mackenzie Gore going from the
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  Speaker 1: Padres to the Rangers for quite the hall out of Texas,
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  Speaker 1: including their first round pick from this past year, Gavin
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  Speaker 1: feene or fine I'm not totally sharing the pronunciation there,
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  Speaker 1: but also Alejandro Azario, who's a pretty solid right handed pitcher,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna mess this up Abbot ab melek Ortiz,
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  Speaker 1: who is a first baseman, been hanging out in the
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  Speaker 1: Ranger system for a while, but honestly gonna be competing
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  Speaker 1: for the first base job with Washington right out the gate,
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  Speaker 1: as well as Devin Fitzgerald and Jermie Cabrera. So that
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  Speaker 1: is five pretty nice pieces for the Washington Nationals. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll start there before we get into Gore.
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  Speaker 1: Because any of those really kind of popping out to you,
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  Speaker 1: given like the Washington Nationals are a little bit kind
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  Speaker 1: of like in the range of like where the Rockies
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  Speaker 1: and the White Sox have been the past couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: where certainly nothing from a real fantasy or from a
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  Speaker 1: real baseball standpoint. From a fantasy standpoint, though you can
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  Speaker 1: find cheap options like Ortiz or Rosario or Fiend maybe
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  Speaker 1: in the future for dynasty, but anything really kind of
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  Speaker 1: standing out to you there in that hall that you're like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's more interesting to me on Washington than he
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  Speaker 1: was with Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know that I can
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  Speaker 2: say that because the vast majority of these are long
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  Speaker 2: term plays for Washington. You know, clearly, Gavin Feene at
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  Speaker 2: least that's I'm going to same pronunciation as you is
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  Speaker 2: the big get there being you know, the first rounder
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  Speaker 2: and you know, really not just first round or twelfth
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  Speaker 2: overall in the twenty five drafts. And there's there's a
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  Speaker 2: lots to like there, pretty well rounded hitter, but again,
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  Speaker 2: this is just a guy that at this point has
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  Speaker 2: a whole ten gate games at age eighteen at a
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  Speaker 2: ball So we're looking a long ways away, So I
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  Speaker 2: see a lot of organizational death, a lot of darts
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  Speaker 2: on talent and hoping somebody, somebody works out. This doesn't
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  Speaker 2: feel too different than maybe that one soda trade with
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  Speaker 2: the Padres when it's like, oh, there's some really good names,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll see him in three or four years. And
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  Speaker 2: now we're starting to talk about some of those guys
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  Speaker 2: right over the last few years. So I'm a little
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  Speaker 2: less intrigued by that side of the things, beyond the
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  Speaker 2: fact that it does signal the value that the Rangers
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  Speaker 2: saw in McKenzie gore, because there was quite a bit
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  Speaker 2: of talent from their you know, top thirty prospects going
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  Speaker 2: across across the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get into discussing mackenzie Gore here, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean he was actually Chris Towers is buy from
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Nationals last week because of just the solid
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  Speaker 1: strikeout rate. You know, he posted a career high ten
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  Speaker 1: point four K nine last year, but it was also
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  Speaker 1: supported by a seventeen point eight K minus b B
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  Speaker 1: put up a four to seventeen era over one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty nine two thirds innings a better fifth though
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  Speaker 1: a three seventy four fifth, But I mean he was
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  Speaker 1: also in the first half like otherworldly. It was a
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  Speaker 1: three h two ERA over one hundred and ten and
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  Speaker 1: third innings and then faded down the stretch with a
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  Speaker 1: six seventy five RA over forty nine and third innings
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  Speaker 1: after the All Star break. I can also I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you can chalk that up to like playing for
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  Speaker 1: that Washington Nationals team must have been pretty depressing last year,
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  Speaker 1: especially seeing their rejectory of like not only were they
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  Speaker 1: bad last year, but like they were really starting to
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  Speaker 1: set the stage for them to like be bad for
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  Speaker 1: the next five years, like really really like death of
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  Speaker 1: the Baltimore Orioles and Houston Astros and Chicago White Sox bad.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's what's about to be happening in Washington.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't give Gore like full credit for what
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  Speaker 1: happened in the second half. But then again, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a long season and we've only ever seen
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  Speaker 1: him max out at one hundred and sixty six and
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  Speaker 1: a third innings. So what do you think about Mackenzie
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  Speaker 1: Gore landing in Texas should be a huge ballpark up grade.
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  Speaker 1: Texas is one of the better pitchers parks out there.
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  Speaker 1: While Washington shades towards one of the better hitters parks.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a big upgrade, but more expectations and just
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  Speaker 1: a lot going on in that al West to relearn
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  Speaker 1: for Gore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think huge ballpark up grade, not just because
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  Speaker 2: of the overall play, but for a flood pitcher, it
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  Speaker 2: can't even be any better. A pretty decent defense there
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  Speaker 2: relative to what he had with in Washington will also
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  Speaker 2: play a factor as well. And your point, you can't
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  Speaker 2: underestimate the plane in Washington for three years just kind
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  Speaker 2: of cast off the side. He continued to get better
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  Speaker 2: and better and better. So like I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: ton of upside here, I'm not quite sure I fully
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  Speaker 2: biden to McKenzie gore as the ace that he's been
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  Speaker 2: kind of quoted in this trade. This just clearly a
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  Speaker 2: reactionary trade for Freddy peraltity, Like a the guys are
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  Speaker 2: coming off the block, so I gotta get something done.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think this bumps up McKenzie gore in
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  Speaker 2: your starting pension rankings pretty pretty significantly. It's not just
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  Speaker 2: like a spot or two. This is probably a five
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  Speaker 2: or seven spot jump for him because of how good
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  Speaker 2: that ballpark is gonna be. So I really do think
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  Speaker 2: McKenzie Gore is gonna be kind of a guy to
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  Speaker 2: go after this year because I think you're gonna see
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  Speaker 2: improvement just from a better staff, better defense, better ballpark,
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  Speaker 2: and then just again, the guy's still only, you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty six years old, like it'll be twenty seven with
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  Speaker 2: season starts. But there's still a lot to unlock there.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm liking what I'm seeing form McKinsey Gore here,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it could be a better landing spot
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  Speaker 2: for him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's get into the next transaction we have,
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  Speaker 1: which is outfielder Harrison Bader signing a two year, twenty
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  Speaker 1: point five million dollar contract with the San Francisco Giants.
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  Speaker 1: A whole five hundred kN incentives in there, so it
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  Speaker 1: could get up to twenty one million dollars. But this
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  Speaker 1: is a new Harrison Bader that we saw last year.
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  Speaker 1: Career high career best one twenty two WRC plus a
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  Speaker 1: career high in home runs at seventeen, a career high
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  Speaker 1: non twenty twenty Division barrel rate of ten point two percent,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean a career best of thirty two total
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  Speaker 1: barrels career best hard hit rate of forty point three percent,
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  Speaker 1: and it showed right in the bat speed. The bat
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  Speaker 1: speed was in the seventy first percentile. Last year he
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  Speaker 1: mashed when he got over to the Philadelphia Phillies. But
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  Speaker 1: it was certainly a different look for Harrison Bader last
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  Speaker 1: year in his age thirty one season. It will be
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  Speaker 1: his age thirty two season here with the San Francisco Giants.
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  Speaker 1: Not a great ballpark for him overall, But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we saw a lot of good work for Bader last year,
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  Speaker 1: especially when he went over to Philadelphia and felt the
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  Speaker 1: energy of playing for a solid team. So what are
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  Speaker 1: you expecting of Beader here going in joining the Giants.
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  Speaker 1: Is it somebody that you're counting on as like an
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  Speaker 1: outfielder four or five and feel comfortable trying to pencil
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  Speaker 1: him for like a fifteen to fifteen in an everyday
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  Speaker 1: job with San Francisco Or do you think what we
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  Speaker 1: saw in the second half, especially for last year out
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  Speaker 1: of Aarrrison Bader was a blip on the radar of
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  Speaker 1: this career. Yeah, I mean I tend towards the ladder.
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  Speaker 2: I'm probably okay with him as a fifth outfielder, but
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  Speaker 2: not to thrill about it. I think at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, he's going to play every day because
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  Speaker 2: he's a fantastic fielder and in that ballpark that you
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  Speaker 2: need that in center field, so he's gonna play all
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  Speaker 2: the time. I expect he's probably gonna hit towards the
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  Speaker 2: top of that lineup.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I haven't checked the projection resource right now.
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  Speaker 2: Really I'm surprised by that, but you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna, you know, to your point, maybe pull a
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  Speaker 2: fifteen fifteen. I think it's with what he's done there,
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  Speaker 2: the pole heavy that he is, I think he's probably
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  Speaker 2: gonna be more like a fifteen ten or maybe a
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  Speaker 2: ten ten at the end of the day. But there's
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  Speaker 2: there's worse things we had, so I think I saw
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  Speaker 2: it was Bob Night and Goal when when the signing
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  Speaker 2: was made, made a tweet that like the.
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  Speaker 1: Giants got their big hitter or something like that. I'm like, they.
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  Speaker 2: Signed a decent sized contract, but it's more because the
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  Speaker 2: fielding of abilities.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not too psyched here.
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  Speaker 2: I've tried to get on the Harrison Bader trained years
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  Speaker 2: years and years as we've gone past, because you see
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  Speaker 2: the little glimpses of it, but it just comes down
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  Speaker 2: to you, Harrison Bader's a solid play or better real
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  Speaker 2: world player than fantasy player.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm a little more positive than you
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  Speaker 1: because mostly that that speed increase was legit, and there
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  Speaker 1: have been stories that Bader did really work on reconfiguring
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  Speaker 1: his swing last year, and I think what we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: is more of who he is going forward. And I think,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the draft price isn't substantial right now, but
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  Speaker 1: that's also because he was a free agent. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't mind throwing a dart at Harrison Bader, probably a
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  Speaker 1: little bit before his price, and probably at his price
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  Speaker 1: when it finally settles, just because I'm willing to see
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  Speaker 1: what happens that. Like, it's also late enough where you're
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  Speaker 1: not like really putting a lot of weight on the
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  Speaker 1: Harrison Bader performance for your fantasy team. And if he
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  Speaker 1: kind of turns back into what he was previously and
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  Speaker 1: you know, more of like a volume play with a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of adding average, it's not going to kill you.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm willing to take a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: gambled to see if those batspeed gains stick and if
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  Speaker 1: Harrison Vader is able to be able to be a
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  Speaker 1: guy with that increased hard hit rate, increased barrel rate,
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  Speaker 1: and if he is, then you're looking at somebody who
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  Speaker 1: could be in for a monster career year because I
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  Speaker 1: don't see anybody else playing center field for San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: and they need it badly. Okay, well let's get into
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  Speaker 1: our next signing, which is the Chicago White Sox traded
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  Speaker 1: Luis Robert to save twenty million bucks. Chris Getz said
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  Speaker 1: it allowed them to do aggressive things, and they immediately
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  Speaker 1: went out and did maybe like the most ridiculous short
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  Speaker 1: term signing I think you could think of in signing
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  Speaker 1: a back end closer bullpen piece in Sir Anthony Demingez,
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  Speaker 1: two years, ten million dollars. That's twenty million dollars. I'm
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  Speaker 1: also pretty certain that Jerry's like, yeah, we did spend
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  Speaker 1: the twenty million dollars, and you know, obviously it's spread
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  Speaker 1: over two years instead of one. But welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Chicago White Sox, Sir Anthony Dimingez. It should walk in
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  Speaker 1: and be the everyday closer for the White Sox right now.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's something to scoff at, because
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be. I think a team that's probably
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  Speaker 1: more in like the seventy ish win area for next year,
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  Speaker 1: and they're gonna be tight games, so there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: lots of saves up for grabs. Sir Anthony Dugez has
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  Speaker 1: never had a full time closing job, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: in his rookie season is probably the closest when he
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  Speaker 1: pulled down sixteen saves in fifty three games, but that
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  Speaker 1: was more of like sub in duty here and there
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  Speaker 1: as he was being the closer. Last year put a
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  Speaker 1: three sixteen rare over sixty two and two thirds between
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  Speaker 1: two teams in Baltimore and Toronto, but the walk rate
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  Speaker 1: was over five but also career best outside that rookie year.
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  Speaker 1: I guess great K nine of eleven point four. The
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  Speaker 1: defense behind him should be better than it has been
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  Speaker 1: for the White Sox. But also because he's only striking
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  Speaker 1: out and walking people, you don't have to work about
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  Speaker 1: the defense as much. What do you think about Dimingos
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  Speaker 1: as a closer too? Is it too many walks for
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  Speaker 1: you or is it just kind of like the right
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  Speaker 1: mix of strikeouts and right price and decent number of
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  Speaker 1: save opportunities.
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  Speaker 2: I think you bail the head. It just it all
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  Speaker 2: kind of feels right. The walks to I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a guy that gets a little where the walks
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  Speaker 2: walkstalls carried me with Domingos two things. You're in a
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  Speaker 2: closure role. So the short stints not nearly is an issue.
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  Speaker 2: And historically he's never really had that big of an
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  Speaker 2: issue with control, and so from a closer reliever, to
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  Speaker 2: have one year that kind of jumps out in control.
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  Speaker 2: Like he's been relatively a three and a half walk
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  Speaker 2: per nine guy, not five plus in his career. So
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  Speaker 2: I have seen no reason he can't get back to that.
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  Speaker 2: And his stuff played up a little bit last year
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  Speaker 2: from an overall quality perspective, so I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a guy.
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  Speaker 2: That you could probably say twenty twenty five saves. The
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  Speaker 2: ra is gonna be a little below four or right
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  Speaker 2: at four, and there's really I think the draft price
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  Speaker 2: is gonna be pretty low because people just don't want
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  Speaker 2: to buy a White Sox closer, which is I understand.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's fair.
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  Speaker 2: I actually kind of really liked Grant Taylor going into
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  Speaker 2: this year, but hey, maybe maybe the year after two
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  Speaker 2: years after I'm not sure what's gonna be, but I
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  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of value in Divinaz here.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'll be targeting. Yeah, I think so too.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was actually Jordan Leisure who was
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  Speaker 1: going to be the closer there. Uh and I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was picking up shares where I could because I
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  Speaker 1: liked him. It was solid him too. I just thought
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  Speaker 1: Taylor is gonna beat up in spring training. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think yeah. And then plus, I think the White
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  Speaker 1: Sox still want to keep the door open for Taylor
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  Speaker 1: to start one day. Yeah, which is an I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a pipe dream. But I think they
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  Speaker 1: want to find a little bit more of a multi
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  Speaker 1: inning relief role and high leverage role for Taylor and
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  Speaker 1: make use of the draft pick that they spent on him.
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  Speaker 1: So but yeah, no, I mean with that like it,
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  Speaker 1: it's turning me out to be a much more interesting
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  Speaker 1: bullpen than it has been. And so it's the team
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  Speaker 1: is coming together, slowly but surely in Chicago on the outside. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: last transaction that we have just broke this afternoon, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a trade. The result of this trade, though,
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  Speaker 1: does bring some sad news. My boy jan kil Fernandez
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  Speaker 1: got dfa by the Colorado Rockies, which also is absurd.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe that the Rockies didn't have somebody else
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  Speaker 1: on their forty man that they could have let go
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  Speaker 1: instead of this guy who got one year with them
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  Speaker 1: and should be claimed, I would think. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't see why teams won't take a shot at him,
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  Speaker 1: because like, yeah, Rocky's gonna Rocky. This trade though, will
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  Speaker 1: bring in Pearson Ole and Edward Julian from the Minnesota Twins.
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  Speaker 1: Pearson Ole is a is a knuckleballer. I don't unless
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  Speaker 1: it's honestly, like, there's only two Rockies pictures that should
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  Speaker 1: even be considered for fantasy. It's Chase Dollander and that's
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  Speaker 1: only when he's starting the road, and then Victor Vadnenk
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  Speaker 1: just for the saves. So we don't even need to
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  Speaker 1: talk about all. I don't think the focus here is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be Edward Julian, who you know a few years
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  Speaker 1: ago he was all the rage in twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 1: when he had that sixteen homer season one thirty four
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  Speaker 1: WRC plus two sixty three three eighty one four to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: fifty nine slash line over four and in eight play
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: appearances with the Twins and has never been able to
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: find that magic again. The swing and miss has just
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: been too much and he's just never been able to
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: find a everyday role in Minnesota. Not a worry for
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the Colorado Rockies because he should be there starting every
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: day second baseman. They currently have him in a strong
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: side platoon, but I wouldn't be surprised the Rockies just
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: let Julian go for it and get even at bats
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: against lefties. He will knock Addi l Amador out of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the starting lineup. But I don't think Amador is honestly
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: anything long term. It's he's never shown kind of the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: ability to hang in the major leagues. But what do
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you think about Julian and Colorado? We will talk about
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: it a little bit in our Al East preview. Second
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: base is awful. It's a terrible, terrible position this year.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Are you maybe taking any shares very late? Especially it's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be like a reserves pick right now for Julian,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: but the upside could be tremendous in Colorado. Yeah, I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I'm quite there to take the reserve picks. I think
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: it's it's one of those, you know, kind of post
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: hype sleeper type thing that you could maybe twist my
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: arm into thinking the Colorado thing sometimes thinks we overblowed
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit when this is a guy that had
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: two hundred eight play appearances last year and hit three homers,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: hit two twenty, Like, yes, there was some hope in
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: the miners, and he did have that one, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: good year where he kind of works on the spring
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: stream as a rookie, but he has strikeout rates. He
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: had luck behind him, and so things worked out pretty
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: pretty well for him.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Again, I like these.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Getting a run because I think there's talent there. I
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: just I just there's too much rockiness of that profile
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: for me, pun intended, and I just I just don't
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: think that he's gonna be able to do enough that
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I'm really willing to go there. Yeah, called, and I'll
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: only league flyer. I'm I'm I'm gain, but I thinks
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I'm selling the sidelines watching this one.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm a little bit rosier, but not
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I think it is more of a reserve because there's
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: not much Undy just even willing to draft and his
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: law rosier And I was.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because even as like the known Colorado Rockies, bats
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: lover as like just a way to find value in fantasy,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Like it's tough when you also pair with a thirty
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: percent k rate, because like the beauty of course field
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and the beauty of the Colorado Rockies when they're at
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: home are guys who can put the bat on the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: ball and just like let it find grass in the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: largest outfield at altitude, and if you're whiffing at a
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: thirty percent clip, it's a lot harder to do that.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think it's not a it's not
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a bad like last bench piece to add in a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: draft or someone to you know, put in as your
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: m I and NL only or something like that. But
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: beyond that, I just don't see also the Rockies being
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: able to shave Julian's k rate very well, because it's
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not like it's a great development organization over the years. No, Okay, well,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: let's get into a little bit of card news because
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: we've got two pieces. Well, I guess we do have
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: one other real baseball transaction to discuss, mostly because I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: think he's about to enter dfa limbo the way that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Marco Luciano has this offseason, where I think, Lucy, what
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: is Luciano up to like seven ish teams at this point.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Lose every other day. He's does Simon, which I just
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: don't understand. Either you like him or you don't. Why
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: are you claiming him if you're just gonna designate him
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the next day?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of nuts that like a new team
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: will pop up and claim Luciano like every other day,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: which is it's It's been fascinating.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I want to hope they sent him like a Jersey too.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I really hope that he gets to all thirty this offseason.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Yes, But we had our boy,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: our patron saint of baseball card collecting. Wade Meckler got
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: DFAD off of the Angels effort. We had reported he
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: got picked up the other week and honestly, the Angels
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: weren't a bad landing spot for him. But he is
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: back in DFA Lombo. Maybe he's gonna end up on
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: this Rockies roster here pretty soon. So uh, just a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: shout out there, because Wade Meckler, if you don't know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is a huge person in the baseball car collecting community,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: mostly because of the everybody owns a Wade Meckler auto.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It feels like when his auto is inserted in twenty
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: twenty three products. This when I believe it was was
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it four? I think? So okay, here is four four
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: four four yeah yeah, yeah yeah, because it was the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: neon design on the flagship. So there's always seems to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: be a guy like every year in tops products where
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I don't they must just like have bullpen type arms
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: for autograph signing. And Wade Meckler was that man in
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. He was in every product and signed
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a billion cards. He is a hero on the Reddit
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Baseball cards threads, so everybody loves him. He's got a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: great cult following because of that. We'll see where he
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: lands next piece of baseball news. We have also very
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: sad because man, look how they've butchered our boy. Stadium
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Club is turning out to be a dud of a
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: release that looks like on the twenty twenty five product,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: because not only are they cutting an auto in the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: hobby box, I think it's the same price on the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: hobby box or in the same range, but it went
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: from two hits to one hit, they've also cut the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: parallel list like significantly. If you've been a longtime listener,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to this pod. You know that one of our favorite
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: sets that has come out, especially in the modern baseball
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: card release calendar, was Stadium in Club Chrome, and then
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they took it back off the past couple of years,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: especially when they like reevaluating and maybe getting rid of
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Stadium Club altogether. I think there was enough pushback to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: say we love Stadium Club, do not get rid of it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And they still kept the chrome parallels, which are gorgeous,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: like they are some of the best cards that have
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: come out of the product year and year out. Those
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: chrome cars are gone. They got rid of the chrome cars,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: they got rid of the gold minted cards that go
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: with it. They really trimmed up the Stadium Club parallel
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: list on overall. I think partly because like they probably
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: just ran out a runway, like they're like, we gotta.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Sadly, I think like the way that they sent this
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: notice out to people who pre ordered, like oh, we
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: had a mistake in our package. He's like, no, you
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: ran out of time and you had to scramble or
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: somebody forgot to order the chrome chrome plates this time around,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: or something like that. But this is this is disappointing.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It's almost like they wanted to was like, well, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: you know, go towards like heritage or something like that,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: or even they still have some chrome, but like it's
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: not a card stock that can stand on its own.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, the picture are amazing, but it's not. Oh man,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: that chrome stulf.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Was so good, I know. I also wonder if the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: pickup of the NBA contract has a factor in here
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to you, because the NBA tops chrome product for this
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: year has been widely popular and I think they printed
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of it, especially with the Cooper Flag rookie cards,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: so that might have been what caused the Axis Stadium
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Club as well. But what a what a letdown, because
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I mean I was looking forward to the pre order
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: on Stadium Club. I haven't bought much Hobby product in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a long time. I can't even actually remember the last
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: time I brought a Hobby product at retail because it's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: just like we talk about it weekend week out, it's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: tough sledding. And I was gonna do it finally for
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Stadium Club until they rolled out the one lesson in
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: no chrome, Like at that point, what hits are you getting? Auto? Yeah?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And I mean the foil parallels or color parallels that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they do on the bay Stock have been I've been
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a fan of the ones with the color background that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they've done recently. I don't they haven't been fully popular,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: but if they're just also having like the foil ones
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: where they would just like change the stadium club foil
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to a different color, like those don't hit. And so yeah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough because also I'm not a big
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: fan of this twenty twenty five Stadium Club design personally.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's a little it just doesn't fit. It's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: not my vibe, I think, And so it's a it's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a tough one because they totally whiffed on my favorite
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: product that comes out every year for twenty twenty five.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: So just kind of wanted to put that out there. Otherwise,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in the Baseball card release calendar, we've got just a
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: few updates that it looks like we've finally had Museum
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Club Collection get on the calendar officially for February sixth.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: We've also got Bowman's Best slated for a TBD. The
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: pre order should be up on tops dot com, but
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I mean it's all point in tur We've got Top
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Series one coming on February eleventh, that's where all systems
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: are heading right now. Twenty twenty six products are going
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to be rolling off the I mean they're probably already
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: off the printing presses, but they're gonna be hitting these
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: shelves prey soon.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely will. And you know there's that's gonna be
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the go to product. But I would be shocked if
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: some of these twenty twenty five products slip or even
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: miss a beat here just because they've they've clearly run
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the printing presses hard.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, totally, And like I said, that NBA license
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: isn't going to help things going forward. So it's going
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to be fascinating to see what the twenty twenty six
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: schedule kind of stretches to because on top of it,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you know there probably will be something maybe Olympics and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: World Cup related as well coming out too. So we've
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: got a lot of big events coming out and who knows,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: like how many NBA set's tops is going to start
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: creating now that they have the license that I could
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: really see them expanding that line as I think it's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: been doing really well for them from a financial perspective.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: With special with these Cooper flag rookies are hotter than
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: anything else out there in the market right now. Okay, Well,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: with that, we're going to wrap up the news and notes.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a small break, and we'll be
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: back on the other end to talk at the al
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Least preview with our boy, Marmo's Dad aka Matt Frank
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: aka mister top one hundred pitchers himself from Rasball. Stick
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: around everybody, all right, Welcome back everybody. We're going to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: get right into our ale Least preview, and it's not
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: an ALIAS preview without inviting back Matt Frank slash Marmo's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: dad as you might know him on Rasball. As we
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: get into our al Least pre you he's back again
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: for his third time, you know, one of the ogs
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of putting together these previews with us. Welcome back, Matt.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: How you doing.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Thanks so much guys for having me
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: super pumped to be here and three times. That's must
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: be doing something right. I'm really really excited to be back.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I know I listened to your your pod. I think
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it was a few a couple months ago with Kilan
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: and I think she and I are running for the
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: lead as far as the number number one guest here.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: As far as time goes. But it's she said, as well,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: good companies, so absolutely.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I think he probably blew the budget on Chris Towers
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: last week and so he got go with mad.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: It's Canadian exchange too, so it's even cheaper for you guys.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: It's all good.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: You sent me a couple Jim Horton's gift cards and
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: we're ready to rip.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, perfect, perfect, Well, yeah, we will maybe
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: get those in the mail and you know, just look
• 29:00
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• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I gotcha, all right, Matt.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Let everybody know where they can find you on socials,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: read your work and just kind of connect with you overall.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Soh yeah, like you said, the handle is Marmo's dad,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: m a r MS dad. That's at Blue Sky for
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the most part. Still over on the other one a
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: little bit here and there, and I do Monday's top
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: one hundred starting pictures right now. We're calling trust and
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I are calling it just preseason starting pictures because I
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: don't have the list done yet. I don't want to
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: jump in front of Gray because his starting Pitcher post
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: should be coming out either end of this week or
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: maybe early next week. So I'm doing that on Mondays
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: and Gray asked if I do some hockey stuff over
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: the hockey season as well, So I'm over on that
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: side doing Tuesday night recaps of the NHL action for
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Viz and for Gray on that side, so keep him busy,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: and yeah, you can see me on Usually it's late
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Tuesday night early Wednesday morning that those ones come out,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: so I'm over there as well on the hockey side.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean your top one hundred pictures ranking
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is invaluable. You put in so much work. It is
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: some of the most exhaustive writing I think I've ever
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: seen that You cover it all. So from one exhaustive
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: writer to another, much respect. And also you're probably the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: number one fantasy baseball holiday right writer slash poet of
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: all time. So you always come out with your Night
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Before Christmas Little Diddy that goes through all the rhymes
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of baseball and rasball throughout the year. So it's not
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a holiday season without that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Thanks guys. I think I've done three now for rasball itself,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: and it's just something I started the one year and
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I said to Gray, what do you think. He's like, yeah, hey,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: let's do it up. Okay, So then last year money
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: all right, we'll do it again and yeah, so it's
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun, something a little bit different. So yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: give everybody a little bit extra around Christmas time, just
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to get a little bit of the taste of baseball
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: back in the most type thing.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to get those baseball writing engines up in REVD.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: So we are speaking here on January twenty eighth, So
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: keep that in mind as we run through this preview
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that if you know, there's a signing like from Bravalde's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: lands on one of these teams wasn't considered. But I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: think we've got a lot of teams here within the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Ale East that are probably pretty settled from a transactional
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: standpoint overall, although I mean Faltez probably will fit in
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: pretty well to this first team. We're about to discuss
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the Baltimore Orioles because we are going to run through
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: this division alphabetically the way that I sort my baseball cards.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And the Orioles here, I mean, they finished last last
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty five with a disappointing seventy five
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and eighty seven record, was carried by mostly a banged
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: up gunner. Henderson caused that a banged up Jordan Westburg
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: cause that a banged up Adleie Ritchman caused that, as
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: well as just the total lack of spending on the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: starting rotation. Now Baltimore has gone out and corrected a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: few of those areas that you know, hopefully they've got
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: some of those guys coming back healthy. But they've also
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: made a big splash finally with Pete Alonzo coming on board.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Traded Grayson Rodriguez for Taylor Ward and then also made
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: some moves on the pitching side to babile shore up
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: that side. They brought in Shane Baz in a trade.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: They also signed Ryan Helsley to anchor the back of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: that bullpen. So we've got lots of bits and bobs
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: here throughout the Baltimore Orioles as I mean, they're gonna be,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I think, right in the running for the division again,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: because even though the rotation is still maybe a little
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: bit lacking, it's certainly much stronger than it was last year.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: So lots of great fantasy assets and maybe some landbines
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: on this squad too. So I should also preface that
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: we're going with NFBC data from January first ish, at
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: least that's what I'm looking at. Through the end of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: January to see where we've got buys and cells looking
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: at draft champions. So keep that in mind too, because
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it will skew saves a little bit and not quite
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: be as big on maybe some of the other kind
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of prospects and things that you might consider and in
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: leagues where you can make transactions. So those caveats kind
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of put down on the on the on the table here,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Matt for you, where are you going to go in
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Baltimore for your buye?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: All right? So I did. I went with the NFBC
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: defaults until I took a look at the rundown here
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: that you had and I thought, oh, geez, I better
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: better change it to this since January first with the dcs.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: So what you're saying about the especially about the closers,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I saw some of those ones that were pushed way
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: up high. So a lot of mine are based on
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: the default but there's a lot of them that would
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: be I mean probably would be around us ranking anyway.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: So my bye, I tried to stick with some of
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the starting pitchers because that's what I'm writing about. For
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the most part, I went for my buy with I
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: think what is the de facto Ace in Baltimore. Now
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: that Grayson Rodriguez is gone with mister Kyle Bradish.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I like it. I mean I wouldn't be surprised Brew
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: is Kyle Bradish hereby as well. I know you've been
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a big Kyle Bradish guy. He is not.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But I fully endorsed the buy, like I didn't go
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: there just because I think. I think the draft price
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: has raised a little bit more than I had expected
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: it to be, but I don't think it's in a
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: bad spot at this point. I think he has been
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: nails literally every time he's been on the Diamond, and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: like from a pure guts perspective, this guy will pitch
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: no matter what, and so I don't have any any
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: qualls about this. I think he's a fantastic target this year.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said the price is right exactly what you said.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: The price right now is okay. I think you guys
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: would agree any player that you kind of are looking
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: at and thinking, Okay, this is a guy that I'd
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: like to target. If the price gets too high, it's
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: like all right, that changes from a bye to okay
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: maybe depending on my build. But no spoilers, but he's
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: not in my top ten. But he'll show up in
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the next ten I think, which as an sp twenty one.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: It looked like on the NFBC ADP he's going right
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: behind Dylan Ceese, Jesus Lozardo and just before I think
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: it was Spencer's Schwellenbach. So there are some in there
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: that I would prefer, or I would prefer Bradish over
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: some of them, like Schwellenbach. I'm not sure if I'd
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: rather have him or British. I think I'd rather go
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: with Bratish. I think there's a lot of people that,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: depending on what they're listening to and what they're doing
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: as far as research goes, in some leagues, he might
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: not even be really thought of as being the top
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: guy just because he only had six starts last year.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: So if you've got some casuals that are looking at
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: numbers and saying, oh, well, he didn't really do much
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: last year, it's just because he only had those six
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: starts after he came back to the Tommy Johnson surgery.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: But they were solid starts, thirty two innings. He only
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: let gave up twenty three hits, ten walks, forty seven
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: k's and thirty two innings and the ratios were solid
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: two fifty three RA and a one oh three whip.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I'll take that all day. I have him actually for
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: cheap in my ale keeper league, so he's one that
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I'll hold on to. Had him for a dollar last year,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: so he'll be six this year. So that's that's a
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: guy that I'm gonna going to hope is one of
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: my driving forces on that squad.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think this is a great call
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: because he is going right. And we discussed this territory
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit last week when we were talking Spencer
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Twellenbach because the price there, it's kind of a back
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: end one high number two sort of range. And I mean, yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I like this call because Bradish did get back on
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the mound last year put up a twenty nine point
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: four K minus BB. If he does that or comes
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: anywhere close to sniff and that he might be looking
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: at a guy who puts up Paul's Skien Slash Streak
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Schooble type numbers like that is an otherworldly K minus
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: BP for a starting pitcher. And I mean, I think
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you'll probably see some regression. We'll be pushed closer down
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to where he was in like the low twenties previously.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think this is a great call that, like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I feel better about Kyle Bradish than they do Spencer
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Swollenbach because he did get back on that mound last.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Year and he felt kind of like this year looking
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: at him and coming back from injury and having that
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, well, like he's not one hundred
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: percent and there's there's that injury kind of risk floating around,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: but just looks like he could take the next step.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Last year, that guy for me was Brian Wu. So
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I even thought, you know what, like this could be
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: kind of like a Brian Wu type guy. If he's
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: shaving a bit off that walk rate, if he can
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: boost the strikeout rate a little bit higher, that's I mean,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I'm in on that all day. I'll mention Wu later
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: on too, because I can't get away from that guy
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: because I love him. But but that's that was my
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: thinking when I was looking at Kyle Bradish.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I'm also that is that's how you say, Brian woop.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: When I'm reading your piece, I imagine you're always like Brian.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, all right away from those gifts either, I'll
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: tell you.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: That number one gift I think on your phone, right.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: It's fantastic.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, brew who's your buy for the orioles? Yeah? So,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I like I said, do you like bradish? But I'm
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: gonna go to another guy.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I kind of got a little man crush on here,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: and that is outfielder going three oh eight a d
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: P Dylan Beavers. I am a big Dylan Beavers fan.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I think there's a little risk complaining time here because
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I'm also a big fan of Tyler O'Neil this year
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: going in and I look at this as Oriels lineup there.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: They do have four outfielders, but I just don't believe
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: in Colton Cowser and honestly Taylor Ward too too much,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: and between injuries and platoons and stuff, these guys are
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: all gonna play. Dylan Beavers, you know, he had a
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: cup of coffee last year and you know thirty five games,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: hit four homers, stole a few bases, didn't hit for much.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: But if you look under the covers, this is a
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: guy that has always hit for power and he's grown
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: into it more and more. He's always stolen bases at
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: a relatively effective rate. You know, he stole last year
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: in Triple A. He stole twenty three and got caught
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: five times a year before thirty one got caught three.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing on the base paths, and.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: He's you know, nearly top twenty percentile and sprint speed,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: so he's he's going to make it, make it happen.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And the other thing, Yeah, for love, he's improved his
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: play discipline was every single year. He's now walking almost
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: as much as he strikes out in the minors. Again,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: all these things can regress as you get there. But
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: we're talking a guy that I think can hit two
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: seventy and can be a twenty twenty guy if given
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: them the full opportunity, and we're drafting him like he's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: going to be a bench warmer. So I'm all in
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: on Dylan Beaver's. I think people are gonna be surprised
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: by the guy. Think, you know, he's passed guys like
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Kobe Mayo and you know, Jordan Westberg and all those
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: kind of guys in that system, and they're gonna give
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: him a full run. So give me some Dylan Beaver's.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be pretty much every team I have this year,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna carry some some folks ahead.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is that's a great call. I mean,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you've got to Dylan Beaver's lovers here. We talked about
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: him in our preview last year. I mean, I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: maybe the one thing that like I would add is
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the walks just keeps the consistency high. And like, yeah,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: when you're in a platoon with Tyler O'Neal, you're soon
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: going to be having an Emmy day job with Tyler
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: O'Neal on the IL.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: So yeah, well he's gonna bench press five hundred and
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: eighty three pounds and pop something again. So but I
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: will tell you, guys, and this is for anyone out
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: there that might doubt, for I don't know why they would,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: but I wasn't even as familiar as you two are
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: with Dylan Bieber's and it was last year this pod
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: that we did that I was like, Okay, maybe I
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: should dive into this guy a bit more when you
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: guys are talking about him. And I picked him up
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: in my al only on the reserve list, and I
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: picked him up in my mix league. And when he
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: was called up and hit the ground running almost literally,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, this is awesome. And he yeah, exactly
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: what Bruce said, like and boat while and then Mike
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: when he said about the walk right too, he I
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: think already has the skill. And I mean it's a
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: small sample size as far as compared to some of
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: these other guys that have had a little more plate appearances.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: But and I don't want to get into my cell
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: but I will tell you that, uh that name might
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: have been already mentioned. It's not Dylan Beavers. I'll tell
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: you that, but it's a little tiny coming up. Yeah,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: all right, all right.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Cooley, where'd you go? Uh So, Yeah, we're all starting
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: off with different picks here to begin with. I'm going
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: with the new guy in town in that outfield, Taylor
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Ward as my bye. Currently he is going around eighty
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: p of one sixty five ish one sixty ish right now,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: but the low is only one thirty four, and our
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: player raider for the twenty twenty six season projections Taylor
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Ward's number one twenty, which I think is right because
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it puts him right in the range of Michael Harris,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the second Roman Anthony, which we'll get into, Stephen kwan Ian,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Halp Jerks, and Profar like that's nothing special, but like
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: a ten eleven dollars player, which essentially that's all you're
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: paying for, and Taylor Ward, if you're paying that cost,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: apparently you're ahead of market. I will take that. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: think if anything, the projections are probably low on his
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: runs in RBI. This is a guy who is able
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to put up eighty six runs one hundred and three
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: RBI last year with those thirty six bombs in the
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: middle that disastrous Angels out lineup. He's got the protection
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: now from all the stars up and down the oorial lineup,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: from Gunnar Henderson and Pete Alonzo Adleie Richman. I don't
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: see any reason why Ward won't be playing every day.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: If anything, they might even end up using him at DH.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: You know, if they run into a situation where they
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: need to start moving Samuel Posio behind Catcher more if
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Reshman goes down, they'll open up that outfield. I think
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: by putting Ward at DH.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: There's just the profile has been what it is the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: past few years, and I think it's a It's like
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a taoscar Hernandez like set it and forget it. Thirty
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: homers eighty to eighty five runs an rbipiece with like
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a two forty average and that plays all day in
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: all sorts of fantasy leagues. Okay, let's get into these souths. Oh,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you gotta what do you think about Taylor Ward.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to say I I'm not sure I
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: buy Taylor Ward here. He's a two twenty hitter. He
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: actually had worse underline metrics last year than he did
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: in twenty four when he hit only twenty five homers
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and managed two forty six. So I'm a little concerned.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: He had a massive spike last year in his home run
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: for fly fly ball rate, and that really cared him through.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: If you look at his bass speed, it's poor. It's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: like a fifteen percentile. So there's some red flags here,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: and so I think that's baked into the price. I'm
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: not saying that it's not a guy that's worth owning,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: but I get a little there's enough warning signs here
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: with Taylor Ward that I just I feel icky having
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: on my team. And that's a very technical term of
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: you if you don't know here ras ball, but I'm
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: not loving it. So I want to disagree a little bit.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not selling him by any means, but I think
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit under the hood.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: You gotta be careful with the Taylor Ward. I mean,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: if it might help sway you. Here are the outfielders
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: going around him in ADP right now. You've got tay
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Oscar Hernandez, Noel Vie Marte, Kyle Stowers, Andy Pajas, which
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I don't quite fully get. Give me sturs all day. Yeah,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I love Kyle Stowers chaka Marcy, who I know we love.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: But then you're talking Brandon Nemo going to Texas in
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that just like Death Dome. Lawrence Butler's in this range too.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be my bye when Cad tay All West,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: which is here, Brenton Doyle's in this range, Alex. It's
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: such a weird one cruise it is. I like literally
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: half that group, but I hate half that group. It's
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: like your third outfielder. And so that's I think why
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I'm in, because as a third outfielder, you do need
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: some steadiness. And I know Taylor Ward's playing every day
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: for the Baltimore Orioles like there's gonna be an injury,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and I don't see the bottom falling all the way
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: out on Ward as part of it too.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: No, I assume Joe adel is like one hundred and
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: fifty picks higher than that, is that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: He's actually on the as your top one hundred right now.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I think I was looking last week because I was like, oh, Bruce,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: gonna have the same conversation we talked about Joe Adella.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Then just remember when the game cocky he is the
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: technical term.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right now at Joey Dela.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Oh my, poor Joe. Good thing I got him in
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: some of these keeper leagues because I don't. Yeah, that's
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: a whole other story for a whole other day.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's sell some orioles. Matt, who you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: selling from the Baltimore Orioles.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I will tell you, mister Brewer, you set it up
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: for me, and I'm gonna knock it off by saying that, Uh,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of with one of the guys, in particular,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I had him in a mixed league last year and
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: the thirty five point six percent k rate is no,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: thank you, it's mister Colton Kowser. I yeah, no thanks.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Uh the seven and a half walk rate last year
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: not that great. It's he's predicted for a little bit
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: higher by Steamer. I think it's like nine point seven percent.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: But you said brew I think you said it in
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: your hit or profile on the last it's just this
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: last week and you've mentioned it again here. There's so
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: many outfielders that are going to be competing for time.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I think your first three there are probably Tyler O'Neill
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: if he can stay healthy, and then Beemers and Warder
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: far ahead of Kowser. Just the contact is not where
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: it needs to be. They've got Leodi Taveres, who I
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: think can play better de ands out there in centerfield
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: if need be, so I don't think so. Like I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: gonna the average looks like it'll be a big time drags.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: So he's in that. They have him down for expected
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: average in the first percentile on stockcast.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Ah No, that's like the only guy I've ever seen
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: expected to average supporting a one ninety six bat average.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: It's rough.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: It's really rough. I'm sorry if Grandma Cowser is listening
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: to this, but I'm sure he's a nice dude. But
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pass if that's an option for me my drafts.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's a great call, Like if they're counting
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: on him to play center field, I'm also concerned about
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: just the stam enough actor for Colton Kowser. This dude
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: is not a center fielder, and if they're going to
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: force him to stretch in center field, that's gonna push
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: me further. And I think that also puts that lineup
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: spot in jeopardy even more because like, if he can't
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: cut it in center and they need to break a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: different center fielder in Hello bench, Colton Kowser, yep, brew
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: who's your se from the Oreels.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I that's almost got me convinced I need to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: change to Colton Cowsler because I agree.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: So much with that one.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go I'm gonna pull one from your
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: book here, Cooley, and I'm gonna go to the new
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: guy in town, and I'm gonna sell Pete Alonzo. Okay,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and I I is this is not to Denigratee Pete Alonzo,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: but he's going off the board as a second round
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: pretty much. He's twenty fifth overall and for a guy
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that has a profile that's probably a two fifty hitter
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: with no speed.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get he.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Can hit fifty bombs and you know, get a little
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: bit of help here and there. I don't I Baltimore.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I think is gonna be a little worst ballpark for him.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: It's the date on that ballpark so funky, it's it's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: kind of hard to tell at times all the changes
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: they made to it. But he definitely had some luck
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: last year. Things all came together, the best baby BIP
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: of his career by pretty pretty wide margin. Because he
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: is no Blazer. So a three or five babip is
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: nothing to like, you know, be like, oh, that's great,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: but fort has two seventy career babip. That's that's a
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: pretty pretty good hike. And so I think we're looking
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: at guy hits two fifty steals zero bases, and hits
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: forty homers, and like, compare that to what you just
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: said about Taylor Ward. That's not that terribly different. And
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: we're talking about a basically top two round drafting, Like
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: if we were talking where he's you know, has been
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: the last few years, coming off of forty homer seasons,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: and like, I just don't the average like boost him.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: When all of a sudden he was hitting two seventies
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: seat of two forty. He was going in the fourth, fifth,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: sixth round even at that point in time, and you
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: were talking about Hi as a top forty hitter, and
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're treat him like borderline, top ten,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: top fifteen, and that's just nothing changed in this profile,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Like get he plays every day, but literally nothing changed
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: except for a little luck. I'm out on it. It
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: just feels the price is too high. Give me it
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: two rounds later. I'm I'm game.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be all over that same kind of
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: thing too. You've I think we we've all said it before.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: If you're going top two rounds, you need to cover
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: as many of those categories as you can. You need
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: to get I mean, you might get a guy that
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: will go twenty five, twenty five with a decent average.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I'll take that over forty bombs with a lot crummy
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: or average, and I'm gonna have to try and make
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: up with a Stephen Kwan later on, or anybody that
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: is contact or contact first contact only. Then you're starting
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: to frankenstein a roster together, and it's like, oh man,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: you feel like you're chasing after categories and it's not
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: a good way to start, let alone. I mean, if
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: you get halfway through a draft and you're like, Okay,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I gotta pick up whatever to supplement something else. Sure,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: but like you said, if he's going twenty five overall,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: and I totally agree with you with that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm there too. It's too rich. Especially
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: right behind him in the ADP is Trey Turner and
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Zach Neetto and like how do you see those sitting there?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And like I mean I even told James Wood and
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I would take James Wood over in.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, there's just upside and floors all all around.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like as a like a regular
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: baseball player in Baltimore, it's gonna be huge. I think
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Gray mentioned it. You might have said it too, the
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: idea of like this is their biggest bat at first
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: since Chris Davis, it's gonna be Yeah, it'll be big time.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: But but from a fantasy perspective, Nah, that's too rich
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: for my blood.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, well I've got a different sell. Mine is
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Jackson Holiday second baseman. So mostly it's because like I
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: think what we saw from Jackson Holiday last year is
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Jackson Holiday. I don't know how much better it gets
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: unless he proved he proves that, like he can swing
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the bat faster, Like if you do see his bat
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: speed increase, but it's very mid and it's kind of,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: you know, if anything below mid. But last year he
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: played one hundred and forty nine games, six hundred and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: forty nine played appearances, went seventeen seventeen, seventy runs, fifty
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: five RBI two forty two three fourteen three seventy five
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: slash line. I think that's about what he is and
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: what you're doing when you're drafting him. Right now, he's
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: going off the board around pick one P forty on
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: our player Raider. Going into next year, it's one seventy nine,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and our Player Raider is built off of like a
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: modified Steamer. But you can also see it in the
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: projections when you're on fangrafts. All of them are just
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: kind of counting on a little bit more of what
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: he did last year with a tick up in less
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: playing time, And I just don't get it. Like when
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: you kind of put together the entire profile, you see
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the hard hit rate, you see the barrel rate last
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: year at seventeen seventeen. If you paid that price, I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: think you would probably be taking him around like one
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: to eighty. You've got to be projecting pretty significant growth
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: if you're going to be going for Jackson Holiday over that,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and I know second base is terrible. It is an
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: absolute black hole this year. But I'm not going to
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: waste my second base pick by paying up beyond what
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the actual kind of like mark or rate should be
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: on Jackson Holiday just because he was the number one pick,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: he had all the hype, and you're trying to project
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: growth on him because you look at this event page,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you look at the underlying metrics, there's he is who
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: he is.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just just man, it's desolate a second base.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: That's my only argument against you here is like you're
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: going like, well, I mean, I mean, I'll give me
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Luke Kishaw all day after him, or yes, you know,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: there's a number of guys I'll take the game wile
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Matt McClain bounce.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Back or my boy Auto Lopez from last week. Auto
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Lopez is going seventy picks later and he's the same
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: player as Jackson Holiday.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I was there with Kemp too.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I think that's the thing, like you said, when you're
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: dealing with like say fifteen fifteen or seventeen seventeen, like
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: you said, and the average is not two eighty plus
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: like lock it in type thing. There's you could argue,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of other mid kind of middlelane fielders
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: that you could go, Okay, you know what, I'm not
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: reaching for this when I can. It sounds really silly
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: because I know a lot of people say, well, you
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: could get this one hundred picks later and whatever guy
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: for anything really, but but it's not like he's stellar
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: in any one or two categories like you said, right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: it's all kind of just flatline right now. Young enough, yes,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: and the pedigree is there, so maybe he does put
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: it together. But like like you said, Coolly, it's you
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: almost would want to see like something like the contact
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: rate that stands out at a barrel rate withs like
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, like something's common and there's no shining light
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: that's like, oh wait a second from that whole profile.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the one thing I would watch is
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: bat seat speed in season, Like if he does start
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: picking it up, then I have faith that he can
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: start pushing like twenty five fifteen sort of numbers and
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: then that's when that next level come. But until he
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: shows that where he's at in terms of bat speed
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and hard hit rate and everything, you've got to see
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: a growth level. Okay, well, let's get into the Boston
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Red Sox now. So they finished a distant third in
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the division last year five games out, eighty nine and
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: seventy three went to the playoffs. And I mean, I
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: think they've had a pretty solid offseason. I think all
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: things considered, they did lose Alex Bregman, but they also
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: went and rated all the leftover stars from the Saint
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals, bringing in in separate trades Wilson Contraras and
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Sonny Gray. But they've also brought in Ranger Suarez one
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars signing million dollars signing there to
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the rotation. And I mean they've got lots and lots
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: of arms coming through the system where it's it's an
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: embarrassment of riches. I think at the end of the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: day that you do wonder if maybe they're going to
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: consolidate some of it to bring in another bat or two,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: but if they also get growth out of some of
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: their young dudes like Roman Anthony, Jaron Duran, Marcel Mayer,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: even some buddy like Christian Campbell on a bounce back.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a pretty solid team. So I think
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: you're looking at probably another ninety ish win team. But
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: with all those things considered, Matt, who is your buy
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: for fantasy from the Boston Red Sox.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: You said it there like the Al East is not
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: getting any weak or anytime soon, and they have been
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: strong for a really long time. I know I'm kind
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: of a homer because I'm up here, but I went
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I was looking at Ranger Suarez, and I thought a
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: couple of times when I kept searching through that list
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: the ADP, and I was like, where the heck is
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: this guy? I might have gotten this wrong, but I
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: counted all the way down to like SP fifty three,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: and I was like, that can't be right. The min
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: max picks were ridiculous. Minimum of one seventeen, max of
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: two fifty six. Like, talk about a range there. I
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: know that stack cast pages aren't the be all and
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: end all, but this one was like, Wow, he is
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: eighty fourth percentile or higher in actually right average exit
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: V low. He's ninety fifth percentile. His walk percentage was
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: eighty sixth percentile, his pardon me, his barrel rate eighty
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: ninth percentile. A hard hit percentage was ninety eight percentile,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know why he is kind of pushed
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: down as much as he is right now. If he
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: is going as low as he is, I'll I'm in
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: on that all day. If he's going at that kind
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: of price point.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you also put him in Boston
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: with that great development system. Maybe they find another pitch,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: they find another tweak. I've loved Ranger for the past
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: couple of years because it's it's so steady. It's so steady,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: great teams. He pitches deep into games, get wins if
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: you're in five by five rod O. Those types of
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: guys are hard to find.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And the ground ball rates up, he's said he's
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: a seventy six percentile and ground ball rate the weak
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: contact rates, like people aren't black the ball off the
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: bat off of him. So I mean, you don't have
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: to worry too much about being in Fenway if people
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: aren't hammering the ball. So yeah, that's a solid SP two.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Or I mean, if you want to say Sonny Gray
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: is a two, because I know you guys are Sonny
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: great fans too, maybe an SP three. That's that's yeah,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: that's I'll take it.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Brew. I mean I don't even know
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: if I have to ask your by.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Go ahead this is this might be the most predictable
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: segment that we have.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: So it's fond grissom, isn't it?
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: No?
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: But he's not there anymore, so you can't say him no.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Because well, honestly he's mine too.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Go for it, all right, So let's go ahead and
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: buy Sonny Gray.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: There is because you know.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: You called out Matt Lake. Yeah yeah, rags wars like him.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: The only thing that kind of draws me back and
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: puts me to Gray over I still like Suarez is
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: the link that he's gonna go into games and the
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: opportunity to get for wins because for doesn't have as
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: much stamina. The thing with Sonny Gray is last year
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: he kind of had a rough go of it and
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: it was almost all luck not playing with the defense
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: do what should be hind him. And then when he
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: got traded to Boston. I swear the Boston fans thought
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: this guy was literally like retirement material like Jamie Moyer.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like. They could not
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: stand this move, like we need a number two and
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you got like a borderline one like and
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: then they were treating him like it was a four
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: or a five, like I just couldn't believe it. And
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: then I go back and look at the numbers and again,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: guys last year walked less than two guys per nine,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: which was incredible, striking out more than ten per nine. He's,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: you know, a little got a little Homer unlucky last
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: year year. But Beba was up, the left on base
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: was down like all those things that are these fringe
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: luck things. And if you look on the covers, it
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: was the exact same guy for the last like five
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: to six years. And then you look at where it's
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: that in the ADP, and I'm like, it is like
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Minefield at that point in time the ADP, and I
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: want nothing. I want nothing to do with that except
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: for if there's a guy that you can draft, plug
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: him for one hundred eighty innings two hundred k's fifteen
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: wins and have to worry about it at all. And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: that's Sunny Gray. So I've been the truther for many,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: many years, and I'm gonna continue on that train.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: It's just too easy.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why Sony Grad doesn't get more love,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: and I absolutely love the guy. I'll be frank I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: traded him in our lead this year more because of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: his age and where things were going in a keeper format.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: But from a redraft perspective, man, this guy is a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: He's an ace under an SP three mask.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like last year, more than more than a handful
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: of times I call he's like mister underrated. I don't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: know what it is. There's some guys that are like
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: I don't really want them. Don't know if it's just
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: because he's not all that flashy. But I will say
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: one thing that the first article I sent out, which
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: is kind of like a recap all the off season moves,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: I did put the clip in there of Nessen talking
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: to him about like, are you excited to be a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: IT Sucks player now? And I will tell you I'm
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: a Bruin fan too, so I know some of these
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Bostonians fairly well as far as a fan fan hood goes.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: And they any of them that were like, ah, we
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: don't really want Sonny Gray around here, I'll tell you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: they the moment he said yeah, I'm looking forward to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: crushing the Yankees because I hate them, I was like, okay, yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: that's gonna win over everybody in that town. For sure.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he definitely had a rough go, but when
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: he was in New York for sure for many reasons.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: And he's got a chip on his shoulder still this day.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, they'll be standing up for him first pitch
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: And I mean the reason that Gray was mine by
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: it gets a little bit into I'm starting to notice
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: that market weakness and like that number two ish starting pitcher,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And if you want somebody who is set it and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: forget it, Sonny Gray will be that. You know, you're
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: starting to get some arms up in there, like Nolan
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: McLain and other kind of rookie type players. I mean,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I think Tray Savage will probably get there eventually, and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: you're also looking at Cam Schlitzler kind of being around there.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: But if you want something that really brings something steady
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: to your rotation, you can't go wrong with Sunny Gray.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: And I mean he's gonna go deep enough for wins.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Which is it. I'll keep harping on it because it
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: sounds like it's a stupid thing to keep harping on.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: But a guy who can constantly go out there and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: get like quality starts and convert them into wins as
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: opposed to some of these kind of newer, up and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: coming pictures where you're not sure if they're going to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: make it through five. It's huge in a five y
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: five rodo good time. All right, let's get into stells.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: So Matt, who's yours?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: All right? This one? I'm still sticking with the pictures,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: but we're going nice out to the arm barn for
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: this one. I said, this guy's stack cast is retter
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: than Snoop Dog's eyes after an early breakfast. But I'm
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: not going anywhere near a rold As Chapman this year.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: He had a ridiculously spectacular year last year. It probably
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: sound a little silly, but I think it was Tim McCleod.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I heard him say in the offseason. He's a thirty
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: eight year old closer. He said, Yeah, he had a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: great year last year, but have a look at the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: three years before that. Ikes. So I did do that exactly.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Took the twenty twenty one to twenty twenty four. The
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: strikeouts per nine was huge, but he had just shy
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: of a six walks per nine and his home run
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: to fly ball was thirteen point eight. It's a little
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: bit of an ouch there, I think too. So that's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: a little bit of both here. I don't want to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: pay up for a top closer like that guy. I'd
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: rather go with somebody else that I feel might be
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: a little bit more reliable. And I don't know, maybe
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I'm still stuck on someone like Garrett Whitlock. I think
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: he might get a little bit of time out there
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: if a roll disc goes down with an injury and then, Mike,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: you said it early here on our way into Boston.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: There are so many arms in that system. I know
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: you want to keep starters starters as long as you can,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: but could you imagine a dude like Peyton totally coming
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: out of that bullpen and being a closer, Like Holy,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: how cool would that be? I mean, cool doesn't win
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: you fantasy leagues, but it would be pretty sweet. And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: they've got so many kids like you just need space
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: for some of them. So I mean, maybe it's just
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: a pie in the sky type thing. But I don't
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: trust to roll this, and I think even guys like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Cutter Crawford coming back, I don't know, Maybe he goes
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: down with an injury and then you've got you got
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: your pick of a handful of guys that could probably
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: slot back there and be effective. So that's where I'm
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: looking as far as getting away from Chapping at that price.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's very And I think the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: other thing to keep in mind is that, like it
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: was a career year last year, but the strikeout rate
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: has dropped, so it's not like the heyday of Rolds.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Chapman where you could get triple digit strikeouts from your
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: closer and you'd pay up for it, And so there's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: I think there's probably some blending in people's minds of like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: career year last year, he strikeouts, but if he's more
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of the twelve k per nine, I think he's a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: great closer. But yeah, it is a very rich price
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: to be using a third round pick on a world
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: as Chapman right now, So very fair brew. Who's your
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: pick for yourself?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we're just gonna try to talk about
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: every Red Sox picture in the segment to see if
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: we can get through and where we land. And I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: talked about him. It's gonna be Peyton totally for me.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: And it's not because of the talent. It's because of
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: the situation and as you look at the depth that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: they've brought on. They have a full, full rotation there,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: and then they have some of the guys that they
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: love to kind of mess around with and try to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: figure out what to do, like the cut of Crawfords
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: of the world, and clearly brought in Johann Oviedo to
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: try to take a place. Honestly, I think Condley Early
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: is more well suited to get work before Totally. I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: think Totally might have the better upside, and I think
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: he does exactly what Matt suggested. I think he's in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: the bullpen this year midway through the season, and he's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: pumping that nasty fastball, seventy five grade fastball up there
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and doing nasty things, and then he's gonna be in
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: the starting rotation, you know, the next year. I really
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: do think he's got long term capability, but I think
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be something where the opportunity is not going
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: to pay off. And the folks have been kind of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: drafting him based on the potential that he breaks that rotation,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: and I just see only a minuschool chance that actually
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: happens early in the season, and then late in the season,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: like I said, he there's a lot of innings last
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: year for a guy that was thrown through the miners,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: and so I think he's gonna be a guy that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: they need to baby and protect, and then he's going
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: to be a bullpen weapon for them as they get
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: towards the playoffs.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: So I think that's yeah, all very fair. I like it. Okay,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised that I'm the only one selling
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: this guy. I'm stilling Roman Anthony currently average ADP of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: sixty four. So you're paying us like a fourth round
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: pick on this dude. Yeah, what am I missing?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: This is?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: He's a twenty ten two seventy five ish bat. I
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: think he had a good run with the batting average
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: last year, but even you look at what he was
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: pacing for, he's not putting up thirty homers unless something
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: changes in that launch angle and he starts hitting it
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: in the air more than he does right now. I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: will give him credit. He hits it really hard. It's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: really great. Uh, but the stone bases aren't going to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: be there. The the volume of power is just not
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: going to be there. The runs will probably be fair,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: but like woo, buddy, wooa buddy, you're you leaving yourself
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: no upside. If you're taking Roman Anthony in the fourth
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: round because like, you're paying the tippy tippy top of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: that outcome. I think already that you're already expecting him
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: to increase that barrel rate, You're expecting him to increase
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that launch angle, and that is absurd. It is when
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: I saw that draft price, I was just like, I
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: love Roman Anthony, but like, am I thinking of a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: totally different player than everybody else in these drafts right now?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Because that is you're talking like Roman Anthony superstar, like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: James Wood superstar. If you're taking him up in that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: range like brew, what am I missing from your top
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: one hundred hitter analysis?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: So I actually almost went there, and then I started
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: digging to Roman Anthony, and I liked a lot more
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: when I saw because exactly what you just said, do
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: you know who he reminds me of? James Would And
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: he has all the same characteristics that the way he
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: hits the ball that doesn't power doun I get this steal,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: But James Wood shouldn't either for the half the time.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: And Anthony can hit, will hit for a better average
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: than what Wood will. And I think there's the difference
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: is you're waiting like three rounds later for a pretty
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: similar profile. So I'm not saying I'm buying Roman Anthony,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: but I see the case that he's the risk is
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: not nearly what it was with a guy like James Wood,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: and that's a red as I'll get red stat cast
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: can be. So I think there's still issues with it,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: but I can easily see this being a guy that
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: does hit two eighty hits, twenty twenty five homers, ekes
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: out ten steals maybe fifteen, and scores a ton ton
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: of runs. So I think there's value there. Is it
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: that level of value at that draft price. It's it's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: a little high, but like I said, I look at
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: it and it's not too far off of James Wood,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: who's going multiple rounds earlier. And that's why I like,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: I put a little bit of brakes on my on
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: my cell there. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: think that there's there's there's a reason people are going
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: there because it like you can easily dream on the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: guy that's twenty one years old.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest part of it. I think
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: there's yeah, there's so many people that are worried about
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: missing that opportunity to plant the flag before he really
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: pops off, and then you see it. Guy. I know
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: James would kind of faded a little bit this second
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: half last year, but everyone wants to be the one
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: to say, oh, yeah, I was in on it. Yep,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: I got him, and it just I mean, like you said, Mike,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much more snowballs, like in the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: top fifty.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but his midpick is forty six.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I think he's a top fifty hitter, like, yes, not
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: a top fifty draft pick like it's probably and I
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: have it's kind of like Matt, I intentionally don't do
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: my hitter rankings until later this season when everything's else
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: is out and I'm not reading every real stuff. I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: just kind of wait and then actually put them together.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: And I think that it's he's going to end up
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: in that top forty ish range is probably where it's
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: going to rain because there's a ton of potential there.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: But the draft pick price right now is it's deep.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: It's thirty seven pitter off the board. Yeah, it's just
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: a little above, and I think it's going to keep rising.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: I think so too, which is why I'm also like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: selling it even more because it's like, do not ball
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: for this rap?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Like his his stack cast similar hitters. I'm gonna ignore
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: the first one, which is Brian Reynolds, but I think
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: that's the next very it is, but his like James Wood,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Ronald Ronald Acuna and Radhaield Evers, so like he surprises me. Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: and so like I think that and Sean Murphy's the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: other one. So I mean, I think good, good version
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Sean Murphy. But like I think that there's the profile
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: is pretty got started solid. I just don't think that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: the huge upside like I see, I don't. I just
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: struggle seem to take a big leap this year.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's. Uh that's where I'm at too. Okay, well,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: let's move on to the hated New York Yankees, who
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: tied for this division last year but lost on the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: tiebreaker to those Blue Jays went ninety.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's just like a knee jerk reaction.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: When I hear anything like that, I'm like, yeah, that's right.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: The Buzzy's come back from the twenty twenty five season there,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: and uh yeah, this team almost they are just reracking
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: it fully pretty much where exact same team that they
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: took to those ninety four wins last season. But you know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the few tweaks that you're going to be making, they'll
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: be getting Garrett Cole back at some point a couple
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: months into the season. It does look right now like
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Jose Cabiero is probably gonna take over shortstop as Anthony
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Volpi still recovering from shoulder surgery in the offseason. And
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: then otherwise we've got David Bednar locked in for a
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: full year at a closer right now, and we've also
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: got I forgot about Ryan Weathers, the Ryan Weathers trade
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: totally kind of I lost it in the shuffle of
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: everything from last week. But maybe that's the one big addition.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, they won ninety four games last year. You
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: can't really fault them for going back, I think and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of being like, yeah, this team works and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: we'll just see what happens in the playoffs once again. So, Matt,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I know you're probably in the one of the biggest
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Yankees hater camps because just of not only are you
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays man, but you've also got some of
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: those Bostonian sports ties as well. But quick, all that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to force you to find a buy on
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: this roster.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, imagine if I had a buy that
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: was Ryan Weathers. Imagine that this one was for cool
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: A because I know Wepp loves them some stormy weathers there.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm gonna say Ryan Weathers. As far as
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: a Bye goes this one with a giant asterisk, it's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: going to be hopefully the health holds up. Last year,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of us that were like, yes,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see this guy go in Miami,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: and he started out great and then boom, he just
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: like physically blew up and that was it. So right now,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: he's the one hundred and twenty ninth pitcher in NFBC ADP.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: I counted down ninety four starters before I got to him,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: and I thought, what the what is that I did
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: my homework, gentlemen. I actually have a quote from some
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: guy named Mike Cooliard from last week and he said,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: if they can get this guy to one hundred and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: fifty innings, he could really take off. And I said
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: to myself while I was listening, you know what, Mike,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: You're totally right. That's what I would agree with. For sure,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: he's rank lower than Garrett Cole, and hopefully he pitches
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: more innings, he'll be on the mound before Garrett Gole
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: will be. And he's ranked lower than a bunch of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: these rookie kids that we've already mentioned from different teams
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: that have a little bit more risk from a lack
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: of experience standpoint. I mean, I know, the easiest pole
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: to poke there is that the health is a question mark.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: But he's right between two other names that I like
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: as deeper kind of I don't know if there's such
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: thing as a sleeper anymore, but deeper picks Brax and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Ashcraft from Pittsburgh and Ponts. So those were two names
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: that he is like right in the middle of on
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: NFBC ADP at four eighteen overall, I'm gonna roll that
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: dice all day. I think you guys mentioned this kind
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: of thing last week when you were talking to Chris
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: in the NL East One. A guy that's around four
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: eighteen overall. If he flashes out or is hurt, then yeah,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: you can drop that and replace that from whatever. I'll
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: take that ninety seven mile an hour fastball as long
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: as his arm holds up. Yeah, And it's funny because
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: that could even be if David does what we know
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: he can do to the bednar, then h may like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Weathers might even end up back as a closer at
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: some point if they're worried about his arm holding up.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: So I'll take it. Yeah, four eighteen. Slide that guy
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: onto as many rosters as I am drafting, please.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean the one capiat
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: with Weathers is like, don't go all high risk for
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: your front end pitching and then take it David Weather
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: or Ryan Do I say David Weather's the first time.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: David We ok?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Ryan Weathers obviously, but don't take him
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: if you've already got a lot of risk, no your
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: risk profile. But if you can fit Weathers in after
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: you've built a little bit of a solid rotation and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: gotten some innings that you can lock in, fantastic pick.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: David, David Ryan might might pitch the same number of innings.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: So that's the only that's the only qualum here that's
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: modern pitching.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Baby, Yep, that's a giant asterisk. Yeah, almost as big
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: as Berry bonds asterisk, but not as big as cal rallies. Wait, no,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: never mind, true.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Who's your buye from the Yankees? All right?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Well, you know I really like to be the outlier
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: of do things different and disagree with the industry, and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: I can't do it this time. I have to go
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: with the obvious, obvious guy.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: And it's been Rice.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I get where, like, looks like man's going so high.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Like the guy hit twenty six bombs last year and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: five hundred and thirty played appearances and everything that he
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: does was just absolutely amazing. He's not a good catcher,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: but he has catcher eligibility, and you know, Boons already
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: said he's gona play more against lefties this year, and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: under the covers like, yeah, he didn't have for a
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: great averages lefties, but he's still mashed homers off of him.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: And so you look at the catcher landscape and it's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Kyle Rally and then a big old gap and then
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: all these other guys, and I just look at it.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, he's gonna have catcher and first base eligibility
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: most likely, and you know he's gonna be in the
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: lineup almost every day because of you know, DH, because
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: gen Carlo stantonill hurt himself probably tomorrow, and I I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: just look at him, like, there's not a prettier cast
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: out there for this guy. And we've talked about him
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: for two years, about how mature of a hitter he is,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: and it just keeps looking better and better. So like,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: I know that he's going relatively high, but I just
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: don't see the downside, and I like it. It's not
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: hard to look at this guy and be like, is
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: this like a young Joey Vada to a degree? And
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: this is a thirty five forty Homer guy one hundred
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: and ten RBIs hitting two eighty Like maybe not quite
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Vado from a pure Walks perspective, but like, I think
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: he can end up walking in the fifteen percent range
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: as he gets more mature. So I know everyone's loving them,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: but I feel if there's still room in this draft
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: price and it's it's not really that risky.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I the same thing happened to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: me when I was looking at this list, and I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I kind of want to sell Ben
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Rice because it feels like it's getting too hot, but
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: it's not it. I mean, this is what we were
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: dreaming about when Kyle Schwarber was coming up as a catcher.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: You've got it now in Ben Rice, like he is
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber with catch you eligibility right now. Honestly, probably
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: keeps it. I think he catches enough games.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to use him as that kind
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: of back I think so just keep you know, when
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: when there's spots in the lineup, because that's a pretty
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: stacked lineup, so they want to keep him, keep him fresh,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: and keep him the lineup put in different positions. He's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: going easily catch you know, twenty thirty games.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: And as a lefty in that park, that's like you're
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: just asking for with that kind of power. It's just ridiculous, Like, yeah,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: I know that. That's the biggest thing is is how
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: much are other people are going to jump ahead of
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: where you're willing to go. It was I think it
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: was Joe orco. I saw today put a photo out
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: of one of the drafts that you had going and
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: there was someone drafting over the twelve spot and they
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: took Gunner at the end of the first round, and
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: on it at the turn they took Ben Rice.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: I saw, I saw that tweet. I thought you see it?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: Oh my, And at first.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: I looked at like, what's wrong with this draft? I'm
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: like this because the rest of the team looked absolutely fine.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: But I, okay, well, there's you could have waited a
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: few rents.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: But it makes me think of those those years, which
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: are not too long ago. There might still be some
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: people that are thinking the same way where they're like, oh,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: I need to get a catcher. And it was like
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: those sal Perez years where people are taking him the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: second third round and I was like, oh, man, I
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: don't know, but but if there's hey, if there's somebody
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: that's that's worth it, like you said, other than cal Rally, yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: I like him. I have him on my my mixed
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: league team too. And it's funny because I had him
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: as like a backup, kind of like a first basement cornerman,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: and then when they started throwing him back behind the plate,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is beautiful because I only
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: have a we only have a five game eligibility in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: that one, so even I mean a lot more than that,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I like that one a lot.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: All right. I honestly like I had a little bit
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: of a tough time finding a bye because like, there
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: were so many good options usually it's not like that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: with the Yankees. There's usually a huge Yankees sacks. I
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of good opportunities on this
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: roster compared to where it's been to where like I mean,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: I'm also looking at like the ADP, Like there's a
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: couple of drafts where like Judge won't go second, that's stupid,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: like I.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Did just because like exactly he has to be number two.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, He's the easiest number two ever, Like if
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: you get the number one or two pick, like just
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: just stop being cute. Just But I also I love
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: I think Max Freedz at a decent price. Cam Schlitzer's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: decent price. So it's a cave Yaro Grisham, Gen, Carl Stanton,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: even Weather's the one guy that maybe I you've noticed
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I skipped in there running down Cody Bellinger. It is
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: for me mostly because like you take last year's season,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: it was thirty six overall on our player raider worth
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: about twenty three bucks. You can almost just set it
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: and forget it. As Cody Bellinger's line, I think for
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the next two to three years in Yankee Stadium with
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: these New York Yankees twenty nine homers, eighty nine runs,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: ninety eight RBI, thirteen stolen bases two seventy two average.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: That's Cody Bellinger and Yankee Stadium on the Bronx Baramers
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: on the Bronx Bombers. That's a top forty to fifty guy,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: like I said, came in thirty six last year and
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: our play raider. The ADP is starting to creep up
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: because he was obviously drafting because he hadn't signed, but
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: still only at ninety one average ADP men of seventy six,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: And there's probably some drafts that are going on right
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: now that like, because it's a slow draft, the men
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: will start coming down. But until that men starts coming
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: down to like the fourth fifth round.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: I'm in yeah, I like that one too. He was
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: one that I mean, I know the Blue Jays had
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of Kyle Tucker smoke this offseason, but he was.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: He's been one for the last few years that I've
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: been saying, like, please, they needed a lefty bat. He's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: that kind of guy that, like you say, when he
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: did the Bash Brothers thing and he messed up his shoulder,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: he had a pretty bad rut there for a bit.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: But that's obviously healed, and he is back to that
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: old La Dodger kind of production, which is solid again.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Another big lefty in that park, you can't really go wrong.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get onto those cells. So Matt,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: who's yours.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that we don't have a whole lot of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: anybody else that's live here, because that's might make some
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: people angry and I might have to dodge some tomatoes.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: But it's not because I don't like the player. But
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: Cam Schlitzler is my cell just because of yeah, just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: because of the draft cost and the hype train I
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: feel is chugging at full speed down the tracks. That
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: the kper nine is ridiculous. He if he would have
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: had enough innings to qualify, he would have been in
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: seventh in the entire league, ten point three six kper nine.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: So it sounds like I'm marguing with myself because that's
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: kind of what I do sometimes, But he is. It's
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: more about where he's going. And Mike, you mentioned that
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: that little pocket SP thirty four and NFBC ADP the
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: fastballs filthy. We all know that. But the hype's too
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: strong for me. There's I'd rather take the risk on
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: somebody else that I prefer. I think I said it
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: in my article on Monday, because I did write them
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: up as somebody that I was looking at. The miss
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: is right above him, Jake miss Zeroski, and right below
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: him is another one that I can't quit. And I'm
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: just gonna fall into that trap again, which is the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: Nick Flodolo trap. I would rather go with those guys
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: just personal preference. Plus I mean I'm biased because I'm
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: a big Yankee guy. But Schlittherer, I think is going
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: to be really good. I just I would rather I'd
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: prefer to take one of those other guys over him.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: I've got a similar cell with Tampa as well for
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: the same reason. But as of right now, it's it's
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: that kind of reasoning.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's all fair. Yeah, But I also like
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: understand the draft price on Schlittler too, Like if you've
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: got a solid number, I mean, if you go something
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: where you get you know, a number one, then you
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: get I mean you could still get Sunny great and
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Schlitzler maybe, but you know what I mean, Like if
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: you get some solid players and you need some strikeout upside,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I understand it. I watched him pitch in the playoffs.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: It was incredible. So it's there. But I totally get
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: to sell as well.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: I think you have to look at the kind of
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: spread on the draft price in this and then recognize
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: if you look at his stat line and just read
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: specific stats, you get two different players. You know, this
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: is a guy that would four and three walk nearly
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: four per nine and at an x era of four
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: to eleven, or it's also a guy that struck out
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: over ten per nine era of two ninety six and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: really held luck and check right. You can tell whatever
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: story you want with a ninety eight mile hour fastball.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: You can tell whatever story you want with him, And
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what's happening with him. And
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: you have to pick a side, and I think there
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: is to me, there's a little bit more risk of
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: a kind of guy like this in New York just frankly,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: I think that the lights are hard to deal with there.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: So I'm not buying or selling him, but I think
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: that there's a big, wide range of outcomes that we
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: can see with Cam s Laller.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so, all right, who's yourself for
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: the Inky s Brew.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: It might make people unhappy with this one as well,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: mainly cooly you.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: But I'm selling David Bednar. I am too Price.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Just like he's the start of the cliff. He's the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: start of the closer, the cliff if you look at it,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: like I love every I think he's right for like
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Kine Smith, like every I like every closer, and then
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's like Bednar and Chatman and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: it's just like risk Glory. We're talking about the ye
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: he was. He was then just like Jettison for like
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: nothing and just backed into the closure role because literally
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: everybody else felt fell under the pressure. What's to say
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: he doesn't do the same thing. I just it just
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel great for that drift Price. So like he's
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: got talent, he's actually been great throughout his career, but
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: like it just doesn't feel right.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there, and it's it's the average pick
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: of forty, which I mean this is a little bit
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: of like why I light the ground with like the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: draft champions, because you do need to get your closers
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: early because like you need to lock them in people
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: chase them. But like, wow, that is a big time
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: pick to be using on David Bednar and like, just
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: let it chill.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: I'm on that team as well. Yeah, no, thank you.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well let's get onto those Tampa Bay Rays because
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: they will be moving back to the Trap this year.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: So I think there's actually a lot of kind of
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: like wiggle room here with this team as we get
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: into twenty twenty six, because it should be. I mean,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the Tampa Park it played neutral ish, but like I
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: noticed when I was watching lots of games and it
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: showed up in the stat cast data two, I think
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: that like during the day it played as a hitters
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: park and at night it played as a pitcher's park
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: because of the way the winds blow down in Florida.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Now Tropicana is going to be a pretty stone cold
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Pictures park for the Rays going forward again, mostly because
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: of that dome. I think the overhead lighting. It messed
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: with Willia Domas's mind, and I think messes with lots
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: of other people that come through there. Decent for homers though,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: because of the that left field line. But the Rays
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: going back to the Trap, they finished in fourth place
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: in this division last year with seventy seven and eighty five.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I think they've got a tough season ahead of them,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: especially mostly because of the division around them is just
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: so brutally good. They're gonna do their classic race thing.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: They're gonna cobble together a bunch of pitching. They're gonna
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: put together a team around their one star player in
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Junior Camonaro. As they've shipped out, you know, Josh Lowe.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: They've got Gavin lux In, they brought in Cedric Mullens,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: they brought in Jake Frayley, they brought in justin Henry Moloy.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: It just kind of it's a it's a turning, turning
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: in and out carousel of folks in Tampa. As always,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: our boy Stephen Mattz from the Cardinals ended up there. Currently,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Shane McClanahan is slot as the number three starter. I
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: will leave it when I see it, and let's get
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: into these buys and sells on the Tampa Bay Rays. Matt,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: who's your bye? Yeah?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: I just said, like, this is not your slightly older
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: brothers Tampa Bay Double Rays anymore. Loliss Lawless Lowless. There's
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: no Lows or Lows left at all. So it's kind
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: of sad. It's a whole new leaf in Tampa Land.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: But I am going to say this is more because
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: of my extensive ale only league background that I just
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: can't shake this kind of thinking sometimes. But I'm going wheels, baby,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: ninety seven percent tile and sprint speed at a twenty
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: nine point eight mister Chandler Simpson.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Myself, and I know, I know, I know.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: I when I wrote it up, I was like, yeah,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: it's the k percentage is a lead like and the
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: whiff rates like it's not there. So he's got the contact,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: but he is is a one trick pony or two
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: tricks if you want to count the contact and the.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Speed there, the average is there.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: I'll give you that, yeah, and that. And it's one
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: of those ones where I think Chris mentioned it last
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: week with was it justin Crawford where he's talking about
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: like speed and contact. So the caveat here is it's
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: it would be as a buy. It's not an outright by.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: It's a build specific. If you've got one of those
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: gaps to fill and you find yourself in that kind
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: of spot in the draft, you're like, man, I need wheels.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: I think this guy is going to steal a ton.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: The walking is not there, but I mean, who needs
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: to walk? If you can hit, so he's not putting
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: them over the fence anytime soon, I don't think. But
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: he's going to burn and he's probably like Brew like
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: you said, he's the average will be there, so I
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: can see, I don't know, two seventy two eighty average
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: and a good chunk of steels, which in al only
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: is that's that's butter, but a mixed league. I mean,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: depending on how deep your roster is, I could see
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: going somewhere else there, but it's for right now. I'm
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: sticking with it as a buy, build specific buy.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go for school and then you go
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: next year. Because I don't not like Chandler Simpson that
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: double negat there. He He's he's very valuable. I do
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: think he could steal eighty or ninety bases. He's not
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Luis Ariahs from the speed perspective where he's only got
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: one category because he will score runs, he will steal bases,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: and he will hit for average, and so he's actually
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: a three category of value guy. He's an absolute zero
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: from power like RBIs is going to be kind of middling,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: so there's there is actually value there. The problem with
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Chandler Simpson because I actually own him in a league
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: and I plugged him in. He's going to be an
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: acething my sleeve. The problem is, if you want Chandler's
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: system symptom on your team, you have to build for it,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: and then you could completely miss because somebody else will
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: buy him. And that's the problem with this profile is
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: if you're sitting here going, oh, I'm gonna go all
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: power early and pitching things like that, I'm gonna grab
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Chandler simple, and later you're playing with fire buddy. Maybe
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: an auction draft is a little little less of an
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: issue there, but from a true like draft perspective, you
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: know he has as a wide wide hundred pick range
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: from his and people are going to get in a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: spot where they made a mistake and they're gonna buy him.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: So if he's part of your strategy, I think you're
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: in trouble. That's why he's my cell. I actually like him.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: He's a better real world.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Player than you.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: Also have the Tampa Bay Rays of this, which you
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: know they do weird things, so you have to.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: That piece as well.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: So I don't hate it, but I just can't commit
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: to buying it or I'm selling it just because I
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: think it really messes with your draft strategy.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think people could probably argue about Steel's
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: being so much more common now that it's like those
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: super burners aren't as much of an outlier of Like, yeah,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: I got to get one of those guys too, so
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: I totally get that part of it too. But yeah,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: like depending on the built, Like if you can get
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: your buddy from the White Sox Markami, compair him with Simpson,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: there you go. You've got a guy that's going to
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: back two oh one and hit twenty five homers, and
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: that'll make up for the other part.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: I guess if your draft from Pee Alonzo twenty fifth overall,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: you gotta get Chandlers something.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean I actually I've still got even
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: additional points to bury Chandeler. Simpson with due did not
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: even hit a barrel in Triple A or the Majors
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: last year, so like that's the difference between him and No, Yeah,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have I don't either. Yeah, Justin
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Crawford will pop Homer. So like that's why I don't
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: mind Justin Crawford as much because I think you'll probably
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: get six to eight homers from Crawford. It is a
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: fat zero from Chandler Simpson, like it is a zero.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: The ground ball rate is so tremendous, like it's gonna
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: be he can't just he can't hit homers. I think
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: he's also not gonna stick in the majors like it
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: was an eighty eight WRC plus last year. That's where
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: all the projections have him for And if he played
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: amazing defense, he could do it. He he is awful.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: He is maybe the worst outfielder in the league right now,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: and he's got Jacob Melton breathing down this. I just
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: don't see how the Rays let Chandler Simpson play all season.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna end up in Triple A by June.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: And at that point then like the steels aren't coming.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's a it's a big gamble to
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: really throw in any draft any draft value for him,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: because I think the bottom is way way way through
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: through the ground, and so I mean, yeah, I would
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: honestly like much rather have Justin Crawford almost at like
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: the same ADP, because like I know, I've got a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: floor with Justin Crawford. There's no floor on Chandler Simpson.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: It is gone m hm. So that's myself, not Sally's fair.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: Ye, this might be the first time in our divisional
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: previews where we literally all picked the same guy.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: But not on the same size. It might be yeah,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: all right, well let's get back to some buying. Brew
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: who's your bye for the race?
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick in the closer category after my bednar hear,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go Griffin. And I don't know that
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: we're guaranteed that Grifvin Jacks is the closer in Tampa,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: but I think he should be. And I think this
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: is a guy that's been a closer in waiting for
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: a few years.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: And if you.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Look, he struggled a little bit when he first came
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: over to Tampa Bay last year from Minnesota. But I mean,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: this is a guy who consistently throughout his career as
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: kept the ball on the ground. He strikes guys out,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: really has good control, and at the end of last year,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: in his last fourteen appearances, he struck out seventeen guys,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: had an era of point seventy one and was just
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: absolute unbelievable. He just shut things down. And I think
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: they have to rely on that late late in games.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: He only had one game in that last fourteen that
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: he gave up a run and that was kind of
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: an unfortunate kind of control issue game for him. But
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: otherwise I think he is a close to number one
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: closer going very very late. We're pick one seventy ish
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: uh in Draft Champions, which for closer that's like not
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: even existent in that kind of format. And so I
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: think Gruffin Jackson is being very much overlooked, and I
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: think he's gonna run away and be the closer, and
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna save about thirty games.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: For the race. I mean, I like it. Even if
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: he's not the closer, he's a great asset. These are
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: just regardless. But I think he's I think he's the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: lockdown closer there. Yeah, Okay, I like it.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Those those bad teams are they've got to win games,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: and if they're not blowing people out of the water,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: that's a lot more same opportunities.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, And honestly, when you see too, scares of
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: the Jesus out of me when he throws, So that's
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: the other that's a lot of walks too.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: I like him a lot. But yeah, the control is
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: not there.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, my buye. I mean this is a classic.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Just like take the old man on the board and
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Diaz his average ADP is one thirty three. Uh, every
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: projection system has ms about like the seventy fifth, the
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: eightieth best player free money. So, like we've hit on
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: it a couple of times in this podcast over the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: off season, that first base and corner is rough if
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: you've got a solid first baseman or I mean, the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: dds is probably about the where the Cliffs starts for
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: first base. So certainly, like if you're in a situation
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: where you've like realized you haven't picked up a first
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: baseman and he's hanging out there and it's before his
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: ADP pop him, because you're looking at a guy who's
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: like twenty homers, eighty runs, eighty rbi to ninety ish average,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: that's that's great for rotisserie. I mean, certainly the power
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: the home runs will be a little bit light for
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: first base, but you make up for it an average
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: and you can just try to find that power throughout
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: the draft in the outfield or at catcher or something.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: So it's super boring, but I think people are also
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: seeing that thirty four next to the indid as his
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: name in the draft room, and I there's no reason
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna fall off a cliff. So I'm
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: just looking for a very steady option at that point,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: just to be able to lock in some production and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: then you can go and take some more risks later
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: in the draft. So I'm loving Thedas at current draft price.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Only.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: My only qualm here is the guy. Can I hit
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: the ball in the air?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Can you? Twenty? He is?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: He's gonna hit fifteen home runs this year. I'm calm now,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: he's gonna hit fifteen, fifteen, eighty, eighty two, ninety.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: I mean there's value in that. But just please don't
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: think he's a twenty five homework guy.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: He is not.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Twenty.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: It's just cap Yeah. Like I love him as a
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: corner and field.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm a little if he has a first baseman, but
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: there's not it's you know, to your point, like you
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: know what you're getting and nobody else is like jumping
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: out of.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Their chair for Didas.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: So there's there's value there, especially the batting average. I
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: think people forget about what that can do to a team.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: So there's value here. Just please don't think he's a
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: twenty five homework guy.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you can see it in the in
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: the stat cast data too. He was also hitting it
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: out to that right field porch at George em Steinbrenner Field,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: and so he's not gonna have that. But like he's
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: got the back control too to show that, like he
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: will start ripping it. I think back down that left
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: field line in Tampa. When they go to New York,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: he can hit it down right field. But yeah, I'm
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: not counting on anything more than twenty homers out Yandy Diaz.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: But like Michael Bush is the next first baseman going
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: in front of him, I'll take Yandy Diaz all day.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: That's there, and then it might not be as exciting
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: as some of those other names. But yeah, when you're talking,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: he's like steady Eddy as it gets all right.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, let's get into your cell here, Matt, because uh
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: we sold hard.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Soler Simpson now no.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listen to a podcast.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: Got me. Yeah, this one's similar to the Schlitzler one.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: I gotta be careful there. Uh, some of the kids
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: in school might be listening to this, so I gotta
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: make sure i'm careful. But yeah, it's funny because I
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: was telling Mike before we started this one that I
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: looked at some of the old like the twenty twenty
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: four one that I pulled up, and he was my
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: cell in twenty twenty four to two Ryan Peppiote. And
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: it's not because I don't like the player. The walks
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: and the strikeouts are fine. Homers were up a little bit,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: but it's the same kind of thing as withh Schlitler
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: last year. He was going off the board as the
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: sixty first starter. This year, according to NFBC, he's the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: SP thirty nine. It's a little too rich for my blood.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: I'm okay with missing out on the breakout from him
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: if he puts it all together, but I'm just out
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: at that price. Personal preference. Really, there's a lot of
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: blue on that stat cast page. The ninety five mile
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: an hour fastball is nice, but everything else is kind
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: of I would rather roll my dice on Emitt Shean
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: as the SP thirty seven or the afore mentioned super
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: blue Jay Tray Savage at SP forty five if I
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: want to gamble on that kind of arm with similar
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: kind of like youth coming up, and maybe they they pop.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: I'd rather go after Shean or you Savage in that
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: range than Pepio.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. I really don't understand this one.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: I saw all the draft price, the Simpson thing I
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: just couldn't pass up. But I look at this and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what what is it about this profile that
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: people are buying? I mean, this is a five hundred
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: pitcher his entire career. He's not even striking out a
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: guy for any to this point. He's kind of homer prone,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: puts the ball in the heraton and barely kept the
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: area under four. So why did he Why did his
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: draft price go up this year? I don't understand it.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's the you know, raised black magic type thing,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: but its just I don't know what it is.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of an enigma to me. I have
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: zero problem selling Ryan Pepio. Yeah, and then I think
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: you added on top of it like this was not
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: the healthiest when he came through that Dodger system. It's
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: part of the reason the Dodgers sent him out of
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: town to Tampa, and so who knows what could crop up.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: He was able to stay on the mountain for the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: career high one hundred and sixty seven and two thirds
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: endings last year, but who knows if he can keep
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: that going. So I think this is a solid cell.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you kind of said it too with I
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: think it was part of that narrative where people see, all, well,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: it's that he had a lot of upside coming out
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: of LA and the Rays saw something there, so they're
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: going to turn into something super special. Maybe that's still
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: kind of lingering, but yeah, too rich for my taste there.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's get to the main event here. We're
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: gone to the Toronto Blue Jays. Your twenty twenty five
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Al champions fell literally inches short of getting that World
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Series title between the play at home with Miguel Rojas
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: and that outfield catch with the clattering of on Andy
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Pajes and Enrique Hernandez out there. What a world Series.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: What a team to be able to push that vaunted
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Dodgers team to the brink. They've won the division obviously
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: last year, going ninety four and sixty eight, and not
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: only are they they running it back, but they've improved
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: on it. I think, I mean, Boba sheets no longer around,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: but they did add Kazuma Okamoto to that infield. They
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: also picked up Dylan Ceased to be the SP two.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: Shane Bieber signed up on that option to stick around
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: in Toronto. Cody Ponce signed on from KBO after winning
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: the MVP over there, and on top of it all,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: they also added Tyler Rodgers as just an incredible bullpen piece.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: So I mean, I think this is probably the favorites
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: in the clubhouse right now, and for the ale least, Again,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: it's really tough to find a hole on this team,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: and it does also seem like they've kind of turned
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: into a bit of like a pitching factory too, that
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: like there's some sort of magic juice that they're they're
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: getting together there and pumped out tray A Savage last year,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: and I think it obviously also flipped around Cal Stephen,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: who they traded for Shane Bieber. But I mean, I
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: think there's also from like a dynasty perspective, I've been
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: digging a lot of like the minor leaguers that are
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: coming through the Blue Jay system as well, But we're
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: focused on twenty twenty six here, Matt, you're Toronto blue Jays.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Who you buying?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you said it last year. The thing that
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: about bo just quickly before we get into it, bow leaving,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's you. I was waiting for like pieces
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: of cake to be sent out by Gray and beaton
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: to all of our writers because it was like a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: celebration that bow was gonezo. But I said it, there's
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of people up here that like love the guy,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: and I mean like he he bounced back well last year.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: But I said, you know what, they they got all
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: the way to the World Series he was hurt, right
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: and every playoff series up until that final one he was.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: He didn't play at all, so they got that far
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: without him. So it's like, you know what, if he goes,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: he goes, and that's fine. I'm going with somebody that
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: they use some of that money for instead shut out
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: for you White Sox fans from the way back. I'm
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: gonna buy Dylan Ceese at his draft cost. Right now,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: I know that the giant elephant in the two foot
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: snow bank out here is the walk right like it's
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: sometimes and I've had shares of Dylan Seas for a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: really long time, all the way back to the White
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: Sox days, but I like the walks. Yeah, it's ugly,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: but he I saw a graphic off season where it
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: said he had the I think it was third highest
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: innings total in the last three years out of starters,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: and you know the strikeouts are going to be there.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: My plan, like I mentioned the tiny bit at the
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: beginning there, if I'll do it at least in one
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: or two, just to see if I can pair it
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: up and see how it works out. But it's very
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: similar to you know how Great releases that starting pitcher
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: pairing post where he's like, if you take this guy,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: then make sure you take somebody else from this group.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: So I was looking at that kind of thinking with Cease,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: and if I take a guy like Brian Wu in
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: round three or four as my sp one and then
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: take Dylan Ceese as my second even in round seven
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: or eight, I think the walk rate that's pristine with
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: a guy like Wu and the strikeout rate which is
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: sky high with Cease, when you're combining both of those guys,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: I think you're getting a pretty decent pairing. So that's
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: my thinking as far as trying to balance out that
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: potential problem with walks. He'll drive me crazy again, for sure.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: But and there's the hometown pricing with with our leagues
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: up here too, Like, because he's a blue Jay, people
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: will be all over him early. But in the other
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: leagues that will play in, I think you could probably
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: get him for a decent enough price where it'll return
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: you some profit.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: I think, yes, oh yeah, go ahead. Are you gonna
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: sell this is myself?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dylan sees in my cell. First of all, he's
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: going to this exact same ADP as Kyle Bradish, Little
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: bo or Spencer Schwellenbach.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: And this is a guy that I also have a
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: rounding air.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: How many seasons of the seven seasons has he had
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: an era below three and a half And there's a
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: rounding air there because technically two because he had three
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: point four to seven, but otherwise it's been one. This
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: is a guy that has historically been a four era
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: guys at careers three, eight, eight. He walks a lot
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: of guys. He blows up all the time. He If
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: you look at these game log last year's like here's
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: nine runs here, six runs here, one running like it's
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: it's cardiac and I just I don't don't. I don't
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: see as number two. I don't think that roller coaster
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: is something you want to sign up for for a
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: number two because it can do what he did in
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two where he just absolutely dominated because luck
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: went the right way, or can do the exact opposite
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: with which he did the next year and was seven
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: to nine with the four or five year Like it's
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: he has the profile that's just extreme risk and extream outcomes.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: That's not a number two picture for me. And so
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: I see why you know he got the big contract.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: I see the big fastball and all those things. I
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: just think you're you're asking for trouble if you build
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: a team around a guy like this. I do appreciate
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: the fact that you said add a guy like Wu
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: before that so that you get your stability there. So
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: I think you saw the same thing. But I just
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: it's it's too much for me. So I'm selling Dylan
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: ceas and and now I'm questioning myself if our Toronto
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: blue jay expert comes on and I so I'm just
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just hoping he agrees.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: With my bye.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel okay that we can bite him
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: back next year.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: There is a nice little like dosage of hope too, obviously,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: but like you mentioned Bradish, like they're almost back to back.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: I think so it's one of those ones where if
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: I do get the Mariners, it's almost like close your eyes,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: reaching the bag and pull one of these guys out
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: with like a ridiculously great walk rate. So if you
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: get one of those guys before, then yeah, I'm almost
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: ready to say, okay, who whichever one you leave me,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: I'll take whether it's Bradish or Receiast, But I don't know,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: And Mike you said it too, the I don't think
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: the Jays are magic when it comes to pitching, but
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: they're doing something right. So again, maybe it's more hope
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: and cross my fingers that Gossman and Bieber and guys
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: like that can sit down and talk to him and
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: maybe he shaves a little bit of the walk right down.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: But I know it's one of those like Charlie Brown right,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: like his walk rates might be yank in the football
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: how many times you really want to get fooled by it?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: But I'm a sucker for Blue Jay stuff, So yeah,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: I'll uh that strike, all right, I'll take it. I'll
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: take the risk because I'm used to getting crushed by
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: that guy too, so at least.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in a powerful position. Is arbiter
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: because he wasn't my buy ourself. But unfortunately Brew I've
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: got to come down I think on Matt's side a
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: little bit here, more so because the other thing that
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: fueled some of Dylan seas last year three twenty babbub
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: the year in twenty twenty three that he blew up
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: three thirty babb up that year in twenty twenty three
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: at the White Sox, that was a garbage fielding team.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Last year, that Padres outfield was rough as well as
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: like when they were playing Luise a Rise in the
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: field also rough. So I think the Blue Jays had
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: the best defense in baseball last year. They I think
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: that's really going to help them. I think on top
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: of it, I think they'll find a way to cut
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: the walk rate. And you're just getting volume I think
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: from cease at that point. So like, I like it.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty fair price. And between the bradish
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: and Cease, I mean, why not both just get both
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: of them? In my book, that like it's not a
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: bad route. Like if you don't get a number one
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: and you kind of go with our classic rass ball
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: strategy of hit her for like the first five or
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: six rounds. Maybe that's not a bad route actually to
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: cobble together to really great number twos. I think in
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Cease and Bradish, So sorry, Brew, but I like the
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: phipps that Ceases put up and I have faith in
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays defense well.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: And that was the defense thing. I remember myself and
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of buddies up here were like, what the
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: heck are they doing when they were building that defensive
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: defense first, and we saw it last year. It was
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: unbelievable how strong that was. And yeah, hopefully that's one
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: of those things that'll help out not just the other guys,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: but a guy like like Dylan Ceaese as well.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: And it could be stronger with him in as that
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: shortstop instead of Bow and m Clement second base, So
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: it'll be I think it could be.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: Formable, all right. I think that like defensively, that was
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: addition by subtraction with Bo had a note, I joke
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: that him playing third base for the Mets, they're going
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: to have to have the starting pitchers practice cutoffs because
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: he's not gonna be able to get the ball to
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: first base. But sorry, Bo, if you're listening, he's not
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million dollars to cry into those.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: So he's okay, yeah, he's on a he's on a
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: boat somewhere. Yeah, but Bru, who is your bye here?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: From the blue Jayson?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: All Right, I'm going to guy that I absolutely adore
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: on this team, and that is good Old as In Barger.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: It is I think as In Barger is going to
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: have a monster season. If you look at some of
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: the metrics behind him, I mean, he had a good
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: years two forty three, twenty one. Homer's good counting stats,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: you could tell it was he was still trying to
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: learn in his first full go of it, Like strikeouts
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: were up, walks her down against my leagues, So he
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: was definitely learning, but he was getting more and more comfortable,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: clearly Solt the playoffs. And if you actually kind of
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: look under the covers here, he has premium bat speed.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: It is absolutely dangerous.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: And he barrels the ball up pretty gush darn well too.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: that happens, the ball flies off the ballpark.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: Guess what.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: This guy also historically has had really high rates of
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: home run for flyball. It was down a little bit
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: last year, and you know the flyball rate was was
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: actually doing pretty gush darn well, getting up to a
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: forty percent rate as well.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: So I think this is a thirty five.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: Home erm bat and he's going to be at a
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: pretty good spot in that lineup. So add up the
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: counting stats and call it two point fifty thirty five homers,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: one hundred RBIs and we are talking about a guy
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: that is going to pick one ninety. But guess what
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: he has the third base outfield eligibility. That's just just
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: an extra kicker on top. So give me Ads Barger
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: every day. Love this guy.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was my like one be behind sees there's
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: another one too, obviously we've mentioned before, but that it's
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: funny because there's a lot of people after they signed Okamoto,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: was it, yep, as they're like third basement and then
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: someone's someone's well, well he can play left field as well,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: and it's like maybe then Barge will end up platooning.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: But the whole point of him and Okamodo being third
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: base eligible, they can both play the ol field too,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: so you've got so much more versatility there where. I
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: don't think it's a bad thing because you could put
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: him out in the right field. You can left field,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: you can have him. I mean, I don't think you
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: really have him DH because the arm is ridiculously strong,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: but yeah, you could have him played third the lefty
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: versus righty on Okamoto is already, I believe. So I
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: don't think it's a bad thing them signing Okamoto. If anything,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: it just gives them more options to move him around,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: and you don't really want to think about eligibility for
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: next year already. But I mean, it's not a bad
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: thing if he's playing different positions for our game at least.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, Well, I I swear this isn't like a
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: brown nose towards our guest this week. My buy is
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: actually it goes with the cell as well. I'm buying
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: all and I'm selling none because I was lining this
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: up against our Player Raider in the DP on the
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jayson, which this also kind of blew my
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: mind considering how hot they were in the playoffs and
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: how good they looked. I mean, Jeff Hoffman is a
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: little bit of a wonky case, but honestly, he's not
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: that far off of like what the value is in
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: our Player Raider compared to the ADP and you give
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: him a little bit that Draft champions boost. The first
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Blue Jay from ADP that is going above their projective
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: value in our player raider is Jose Barrios at four
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: sixty eight. Everybody before that, Vladimir Gerrier, Junior, Dylan Cees,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: George Springer, Kevin Gossman, Trey A. Savage, Alejandro Kirk, Shane Bieber,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Dalton varshow as In Barger, Anthony Santander, Kozumo, O Komodo,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: Ernie Clement, Cody Pontz, Andre Jimenez all higher in our
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: player rader than.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: They are in ADP.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen that, and it's kind
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: of bananas. I mean, ye, Savage, I mean that's such
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: a fair price on him too. And like across the board,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: you're looking at just a team of really well rounded hitters,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: well rounded pitchers. I couldn't find a cell and I
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: will buy all of these. I didn't. I recently completed
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: my first DC from First Pitch Arizona and actually didn't
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: end up with the Blue Jays despite that. Big part
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: of it I think is because like when we were
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: first at that draft back in November, is right off
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: of the high of the World series, so people were
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: really picking up Blue Jays left and right. But like
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: everyone that I railed off, I'll take them at ADP,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: and I'll probably be drafting them before ADP. I don't
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: know what rooms are drafting these players at these ADPs.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: But it's not that they're all so low compared to
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: what they think they should be.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that you said that, sorry, go ahead
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: and prove no.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, I, I don't terribly disagree. Clearly I
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: had to sell, but I think you're right. Like, this
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: is a group that I like a lot of guys. Here,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: I love Akamoto, Here, Bieber, there's some question marks behind
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: the scenes, but like he's a guy that always seems
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: to adapt and figure that out, so I love him.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: I think is going to ADP on Bieber like a one. Yeah,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: even Hoffman, who you said he was like he's scared
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: the but Jesus probably out of everybody in Toronto last
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: But like the price is is there figured that in?
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: And so like I it is maybe Santande or I'm
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: a little scared about because I'm not sure what version
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get, But it does feel like a little
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: cop out. I'll give you that. Uh maybe it's you know,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: a little brown nosing, but it love it.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: I love it. You get a star. I have gold stars.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: I teach Pade four now, so like I got a
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: ton of gold stars. You guys get all male, some
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: back to you the but you guys send me the
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: Tim Morton's cards. Yeah yeah, but yeah no, like I, I,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: you're exactly right that it's tough to pick one that
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: is a cell I. It's funny because I went through
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: it when I was trying to find one too, and
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, George Springer, for sure he's
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: gonna fall apart. He's thirty six. And then I looked
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: at everything. I kind of said, if he's thirty six
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: year old, like a thirty six year old, baseball players
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: like sixty five and real people years, so it's like
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: just a matter of time before things start to crumble.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: But then I looked at everything and I was like,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: oh my god. Like last year, he had one hundred
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: and forty games, thirty two homers, eighty four RBIs, one
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: hundred and six runs scored, he batted three ZH six
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: and he had a nine to fifty eight ops and
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: he had eighteen steals too as a thirty five year old,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Like, and then I looked, I'm like, okay,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: well maybe maybe him being like super injured was like
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: a couple of years back, one hundred and forty games,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: one hundred and forty five games, fifty four games, one
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: hundred fifty four games, and one hundred and thirty three games,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: So I thought he was like injury prone. But that's
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: four years in a row that, I mean, he missed
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but I would say I had him
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: down as mysel But yeah, I don't know until he
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: actually shows that it's not gonna work. I don't even
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: know if I can do that.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Springer right now on our player Raider projection,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: clocking in at fifty four, going off the board in
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: the hundreds. Actually, my hot take is George Springer outperforms
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: Roman Anthony dollar wise this year.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, I like it.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: You're gonna make so many people.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: Man, But like the steals, like everything else is gonna
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: be even Springer is probably gonna have a little more power,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: a little less average, but otherwise that's that's the same player.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild. It's funny you mentioned Hoffman too, because
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: that was the other one that I kind of looked
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: at and I remember back Jake, if anyone's not sure,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: he's the sag Off guy. So he writes up all
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: our closers and our relievers. And it was funny because
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: I said to him like this, like he drives me crazy,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: and JKJ said he, Jeff Hoffmin had the best worst
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: season for a closer last year, and I thought that
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: was kind of funny because it was like he said,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: like he could be on and then implode and then
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: it was funny because it was that kind of micro
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: cause him in the playoffs too, because he had a
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: great playoff. But you ask anybody Jeff Hoffman that knows
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: him or knows the name, and they'll be like, oh,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: that's the guy that hung that slider to Miguel Rojas,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: isn't it. It's like, yeah, that's what he'll be remembered
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: for for the playoffs. So that's another one that I
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: think the Jays were looking to upgrade a closer because
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: I think Hoffin would be a stellar setup guy. But
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: they just I don't know why they didn't go harder
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: after Edwin Diaz or even a guy like Pete Fairbanks
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: or Kenny Jansen. But I'm kind of throwing it all
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: out there now, but but yeah, those were guys that
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know from a cell standpoint,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: but those were the two closest that I came to,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: and then I almost talked myself out of it.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the other thing with Hoffman two
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: is like, even though it was like erratic in five
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: y five, it kind of worked out because he gave
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: me nine wins too, So it's like, yeah, exactly, It's
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: like it does kind of it's a little tough to swallow,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, sixty eight innings of the four thirty
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: seven era is not going to sink you. So when
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: you put it with nine wins and thirty three saves,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: it all works out. And yeah, so yeah, there you go.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: Those thirty three saves were a career high too, So
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: I mean you can't really criticize too much because the
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: guy was he was still like fairly effective.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, well I think that's going to wrap
• 2:01:45
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