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The Week That Was (11 June 2021) · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was the most listened two
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Speaker 1: hour in Territory radio. The Territory Leaders break down this
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Speaker 1: week's big issues.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in the studio right now for the week
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Speaker 2: that was Bradley brought to you by the Silver Hebbron,
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Speaker 2: your local lawyers, and now also broadcasting on ADH from midday,
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Speaker 2: we've got the Opposition leader, Leo Finocchiaro.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Happy Friday.
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Speaker 4: Oh, how good is the weather.
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Speaker 3: It's ridiculously cold.
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Speaker 5: My daughter and I when I dropped her off this money,
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Speaker 5: she said, Mommy, I think I need a jumper, so
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Speaker 5: it's great.
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Speaker 2: Will we hardly even own those? And then we've also
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Speaker 2: got the Tasha Files, the Health Minister, Good morning.
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Speaker 6: To you morning, and a little funny anecdote yesterday morning
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Speaker 6: I walked out and my younger son looked at me and.
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Speaker 3: Was like, what is that? And I was just wearing
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Speaker 3: a jumper.
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Speaker 4: So I don't even know what it is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you're thinking were light on this morning.
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Speaker 2: We were due to have Matt Cunningham in the studio
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Speaker 2: as well, but he's out of the press conference. But
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Speaker 2: I don't think that we're going to have any issues
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Speaker 2: discussing everything this morning, ladies.
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Speaker 3: What are you trying to say?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 4: Well, I bet we all speak enough for everyone now.
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Speaker 2: There is actually so much to cover off on this
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Speaker 2: week as well, and I do want to start with
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Speaker 2: the ever moving situation that is COVID nineteen. We started
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Speaker 2: the week with the I think the good announcement that
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Speaker 2: the vaccine is now open to everybody over the age
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Speaker 2: of sixteen.
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Speaker 4: Leah, you went and get more vaccine.
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Speaker 5: I was so excited when the government opened this up.
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Speaker 5: It was long over due. You know, we really need
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Speaker 5: to get as many people tested as possible. So the
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Speaker 5: earliest appointment I could get was yesterday.
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Speaker 3: I stumped up.
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Speaker 5: And you know, it hurt a lot less than the
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Speaker 5: flu shot. And I just really encourage everyone make those
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Speaker 5: bookings as they're already filling up. I mean, I know
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Speaker 5: some people have to wait a couple of weeks now,
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Speaker 5: but find a spot, lock it in, just get it done.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't get in till July one. Now. The
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Speaker 4: oh A bit of a lose, Katie.
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Speaker 2: And as luck would have it, I was probably what
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Speaker 2: we were the first ones here or mixed to find
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Speaker 2: out it's happened. And I still wasn't fast enough to
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Speaker 2: book in Katie.
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Speaker 6: It's really important and we thank the Commonwealth Government the
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Speaker 6: Northern Territory as a unique situation and we had seen
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Speaker 6: that there was no phases outside of Darwin, but you know,
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Speaker 6: Darwin is a key service center for the whole territory.
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Speaker 6: People are very transient. Talking to some of the health practitioners,
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Speaker 6: they've been encouraging people to get vaccinated, but you know
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Speaker 6: there might be from a remote community but have.
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Speaker 3: A dialwine address.
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Speaker 6: So over sixty thousand vaccinations have been delivered in the territory.
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Speaker 6: We do ask for a little bit of patience, but
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Speaker 6: it's super easy. Just head to the Coronavirus website and
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Speaker 6: you can make an online booking. You just choose your
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Speaker 6: preferred location and it gives you the next available appointment.
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Speaker 6: So we do you know, people do need to be patient,
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Speaker 6: but just make the booking now while you're remember and
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Speaker 6: in a few weeks time it'll be available.
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Speaker 5: And I had mine at the Palmeston Superclinic, so you
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Speaker 5: can just ring them and get that done there as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I think that like we said, like
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Speaker 2: we all agree this is a good thing. I think
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Speaker 2: that the fact that it's now open to everybody over
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Speaker 2: the age of sixteen. Hopefully what it sees is some
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Speaker 2: of that vaccine hesitancy that we've seen around the place
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Speaker 2: all around Australia and I'm sure around the world that
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Speaker 2: start to subside to some degree as more and more
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Speaker 2: people that all of us know start to go out
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Speaker 2: and get their vaccine and don't have side effects.
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Speaker 5: Sorry, I was going to say that there's still a
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Speaker 5: significant issue in remote communities though, and I know I
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Speaker 5: was out a couple of weeks ago and the vaccination
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Speaker 5: rate in some communities is incredibly alone. People are very
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Speaker 5: very nervous, obviously with the scare around Astrozeneca, and even
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Speaker 5: though remote communities are being offered advisor, not enough is
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Speaker 5: being done to get people on board and allay their
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Speaker 5: fears and really work with communities around what their concerns
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Speaker 5: are and how to build confidence going forwards. That really
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Speaker 5: has to be a focus of the Territory government. And
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Speaker 5: I appreciate they did some advance work, but it clearly
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Speaker 5: wasn't enough and we need to go back and revisit
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Speaker 5: that to make sure that our most vulnerable are getting
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Speaker 5: the job well.
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Speaker 2: And look from a very good announcement obviously on Monday,
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Speaker 2: with everybody over the age of sixteen now being eligible
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Speaker 2: to something that continues to rear its head as a concern,
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Speaker 2: and that is the COVID testing out of Howard Springs.
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Speaker 2: Now there still seems to be a lot of concern
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Speaker 2: about these changes which were implemented at Howard Springs earlier
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Speaker 2: in the week from Caath Hatcher, the Branch Secretary of
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Speaker 2: the Australian Nursing and mid With Free Federation. She was
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Speaker 2: calling for the use of the PCR saliva tests happening
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Speaker 2: daily to be halted and the recommencement of the rapid
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Speaker 2: antigen test that nasal swab at Howard Springs.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: We then caught up with Kath following on from a
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Speaker 2: meeting that she'd had with the Chief Health Officer firstly,
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Speaker 2: and then she'd also had one with you Falsey and
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Speaker 2: my understanding the outcome from those meetings was that those
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Speaker 2: who wanted to be able to have the nasal swap
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Speaker 2: as of close of business today would be able to
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Speaker 2: do so.
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Speaker 4: Is that the case so, Katie.
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Speaker 6: There was two separate meetings. The Acting Chief Health Officer,
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Speaker 6: Charles Payne, met with the Nursing and Midwi Free Federation
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Speaker 6: and then I had a meeting following that, and they
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Speaker 6: were very pleased with the meeting that had with doctor Payne.
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Speaker 6: They'd agreed to share their research evidence. And this is
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Speaker 6: a tricky situation, Katie, because you've got two people.
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Speaker 4: That have clinical backgrounds.
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Speaker 6: You very much respect their views and the research that
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Speaker 6: they've done. The Chief Health Officer, this decision isn't just
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Speaker 6: something that he's also researched and come up with. He
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Speaker 6: has been talking to his state and territory counterparts at
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Speaker 6: HPPC around this. But what has happened to Katie that
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Speaker 6: I can say is that they've agreed to continue working
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Speaker 6: together looking at that evidence. I'm not sure that they
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Speaker 6: had gone to the point of allowing those tests to
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Speaker 6: take place if people wish, but we certainly take on
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Speaker 6: board the views of the Federation and we're continuing to wright.
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Speaker 2: So it's very different to what kath had said on
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Speaker 2: the show to me earlier in the week, because she
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Speaker 2: had said I had literally asked her, when do you
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Speaker 2: anticipate that these that the rapid antigen nasal swabs will
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Speaker 2: be at Howard Springs for those staff who wish to
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Speaker 2: use it, and she said close of business, today.
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Speaker 6: So Katie, that wasn't in my meeting, and I wasn't
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Speaker 6: at that other meeting. But what I can assure people
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Speaker 6: is that they're working collaboratively looking at the evidence around this,
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Speaker 6: and also understanding that these professionals are nurses and those
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Speaker 6: go into these workplaces that are very high risk and
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Speaker 6: if even though there might be clinical evidence that what
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Speaker 6: helps them feel comfortable in going to their job and
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Speaker 6: then going home each day, we need to take that
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Speaker 6: on board as well.
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Speaker 4: But what I can.
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Speaker 6: Confirm and assure territories is right now we've got these
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Speaker 6: two professionals working together collaboratively to come up with a resolution.
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Speaker 2: But there will not be those rapid antigen tists as
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Speaker 2: of close a business today.
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Speaker 6: I cannot confirm in terms of what may or may
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Speaker 6: not come out of that, but what I can say
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Speaker 6: is that they're working collaboratively.
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Speaker 3: But I don't understand this. Natasha.
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Speaker 5: You're the health minister. The buck stops with you. You make
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Speaker 5: the calls, you know, you get the advice from your department,
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Speaker 5: as every minister does, but ultimately it rests with government.
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Speaker 5: If this is something that you see as being an
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Speaker 5: important process, which it is. I mean the fact that
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Speaker 5: you can get a result within fifteen minutes and then
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Speaker 5: send stuff home back out into the community is critically
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Speaker 5: important Oz Matt. We're using it perfectly. That's why we
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Speaker 5: had the gold standard, and now all of a sudden
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Speaker 5: that's gone. I mean, as a health minister, you know
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Speaker 5: that's a decision for you to make, and I just
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Speaker 5: can't understand why it's not being made, why it's being
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Speaker 5: devolved out to the department.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's not that it's being devolved out. We listened
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Speaker 6: to the clinical professionals. So unlike yourself who would have
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Speaker 6: opened our borders back in June last year and put
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Speaker 6: our community.
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Speaker 3: At risk, I won't do that.
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Speaker 4: I will listen to.
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Speaker 2: The scull our coffee every time he says it.
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Speaker 6: Ready for you know, we have to listen to the
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Speaker 6: chief health officer. It is our chief health officers that
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Speaker 6: have kept us safe to date, and we're listening to them.
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Speaker 6: As the virus changes, newer evidence emerges.
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Speaker 4: We need to be agile in our response. Everybody understands that.
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Speaker 2: But at this point in time, the thing that is
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Speaker 2: very clear to me is that, you know, the Nurses
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Speaker 2: Union have come out very strongly saying that they do
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Speaker 2: want those rapid antigen nasal swaps. Now again, I'll repeat
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Speaker 2: that my understanding was after speaking to Cath Hatcher earlier
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Speaker 2: in the week, that they left that meeting thinking that
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Speaker 2: there would be the option to have those nasal swaps
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Speaker 2: by close of business Friday.
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Speaker 4: Can I just get a yes or no? Will they
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Speaker 4: be their close of business today?
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Speaker 6: I can't give you that answer, Katie, because this is
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Speaker 6: a decision between our Chief Health Officer and the Nursing Federation.
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Speaker 6: But what I can say is that the testing regime
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Speaker 6: that is put in place at Howards Brings is a
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Speaker 6: direction of the Chief Health Officer.
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Speaker 4: He believes that right now we have improved on our.
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Speaker 6: System, we have the best available system, and so we
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Speaker 6: need to make sure that we continue to listen to
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Speaker 6: that clinical advice in the decisions we make.
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Speaker 5: I think that's rubbish because ultimately, as a minister and
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Speaker 5: as a government, you have to take into a lot
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Speaker 5: more considerations than other people within your agency. So the
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Speaker 5: Chief Health Officer is looking at it from a pure
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Speaker 5: health perspective, you also have to look at things from
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Speaker 5: a community confidence perspective, from a perspective that the staff
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Speaker 5: are confident, comfortable and happy to be out at that facility.
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Speaker 5: And so whilst you know, we absolutely support the epidemiologists
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Speaker 5: and the nurses' union and the fact that Ozma had
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Speaker 5: this test, we absolutely believe it's critical. I mean, other
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Speaker 5: jurisdictions want to do it. But even if nothing else,
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Speaker 5: Natasha is a health minister, why not reinstate it so
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Speaker 5: that you also reinstate community confidence in what's going on
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Speaker 5: at how it's bringing to.
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Speaker 2: Cath I thought to myself that seems like a common
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Speaker 2: sense thing to do, Like if there is some staff
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Speaker 2: out there who are thinking, look, I'm really concerned about this.
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Speaker 2: I would like to be able to do the nasal
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Speaker 2: swab as I'm leaving each day, why not provide that option.
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Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that won't happen. What I'm saying
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Speaker 6: is that the Chief Health Officer and the Nursing and
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Speaker 6: midwifre Re Federation are coming together, They're working collaboratively and
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Speaker 6: they'll come up with the conclusion to this.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on, but still continue in this
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Speaker 2: COVID space because we know that the Borders NT Police
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Speaker 2: have now been sent to Queensland Territory that border with
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Speaker 2: two COVID cases being detected on the Sunshine Coast earlier
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Speaker 2: in the week. Now, in a statement released on Thursday morning,
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Speaker 2: the police announced that a COVID control point has been
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Speaker 2: re established on the Berkley Highway. I know that this
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Speaker 2: is something that the opposition has been calling for for
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Speaker 2: quite some time, particularly with the case or the situation
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Speaker 2: that in Victoria last week.
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Speaker 5: It was that's right, and of course we've had Victorians
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Speaker 5: come Victoria, go through the Northern Territory and get stopped
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Speaker 5: at the WA checkpoint. We can't understand why the government
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Speaker 5: hasn't had anyone on our borders. Now. We completely appreciate
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Speaker 5: our police are overstretched, overwork, and that crime is out
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Speaker 5: of control, So don't have police on our borders.
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Speaker 3: That's not an issue for us. But to have to
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Speaker 3: go from.
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Speaker 5: A position where for a year we've had police at
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Speaker 5: our borders to a situation where we've had nothing just
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Speaker 5: just doesn't pass the pub test.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 5: We could have had public health officials or any number
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Speaker 5: of other public servants out there ensuring that people who
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Speaker 5: come across know what their obligations are. And I've certainly
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Speaker 5: heard stories where people, you know, just drove through and
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Speaker 5: and didn't realize until a later point. So now, of
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Speaker 5: course we've seen this snap different reaction again where we've
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Speaker 5: got police back on Queensland borders. It just seems like
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Speaker 5: decision making around COVID at the moment is really add
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Speaker 5: hoc and it's it's changed significantly from what it used
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Speaker 5: to be.
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Speaker 4: Quick skull you coffee ladies.
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Speaker 3: Had no in place.
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Speaker 2: I must say though yesterday morning it was all quite
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Speaker 2: interesting the way in which this information came out, because
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Speaker 2: Michael Gunner, the Chief Minister, appeared on Hot one hundred
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Speaker 2: and our sister station and made this announcement quite early.
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Speaker 4: Take a listen, we've now.
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Speaker 7: Put our road border up to by the way between
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Speaker 7: Queensland and the territory. Now this has happened, we've got
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Speaker 7: established a road border. Before that, we were relying on
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Speaker 7: the Queensland road border and our automatic number plate recognition
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Speaker 7: and the police work that they do Operation Crown. They
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Speaker 7: cracked down anyone who's coming across the border about doing
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Speaker 7: the correct paperwork. Now that actually gonna put a hard
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Speaker 7: border on the Queensland border.
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Speaker 6: So Katie didn't claim that further to your listeners, when
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Speaker 6: this is a decision of the territory control of the
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Speaker 6: Police Commissioner and so he deploys police resources where he
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Speaker 6: believes their best fit. We have the automatic number plate
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Speaker 6: recognition on all our borders, and whilst you had cases
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Speaker 6: in Victoria, you had a buffer between South Australia and Queensland.
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Speaker 6: He's indicated that because we've now got cases in Queensland,
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Speaker 6: he wants to have offices stationed on that Queensland border
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Speaker 6: to make an extra layer of protection. So it is
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Speaker 6: a decision of the Territory Controller who over arches all
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Speaker 6: of these decisions, because we are in that emergency situation,
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Speaker 6: and he's believed that because there is cases in Queensland,
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Speaker 6: he should provide that additional resource.
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Speaker 4: Did you know that announcement was happening yesterday morning?
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Speaker 6: So in terms of the information, it came through late Wednesday,
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Speaker 6: So the Chief Health Officer participated in HPBC on Wednesday
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Speaker 6: and later on in the day it became evident it
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Speaker 6: was first one case and then the second case, and
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Speaker 6: so that was when decisions were made quickly to put
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Speaker 6: those measures in place.
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Speaker 5: Look, this is really a strange one because again we've
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Speaker 5: got the government not taking responsibility, not making the decisions.
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Speaker 5: It's all these other people who make these decisions. And ultimately,
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Speaker 5: if this number plate recognition was so effective, how the
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Speaker 5: hell did people get through to Western Australia without being
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Speaker 5: picked up. I mean, I just don't understand how all
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Speaker 5: of a sudden number plate recognition is like the panacea
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Speaker 5: to border protection when we've always had cops station in
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Speaker 5: our borders for a year. I mean, this changing in
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Speaker 5: decision making is just undermining confidence. And again I don't
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Speaker 5: think Territorians accept you as a government just saying oh,
12:56
Speaker 5: that's the Police commissioner's decision and well, that's the Health
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Speaker 5: Office decisions if you are the ones elected to be
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Speaker 5: the government making the decisions.
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Speaker 2: A couple of questions, So I've got on those borders.
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Speaker 2: So have we got police on that border right now?
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Speaker 6: Minderstanding is yes, on the Barkley border into Queensland there
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Speaker 6: is physical police presence.
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Speaker 4: And how long will they be on that border?
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Speaker 6: So we need to see what's happening in Queensland. Clearly
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Speaker 6: we have got cases there. Those people have been infectious
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Speaker 6: in the community. Their chief Health officer believes they're coming
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Speaker 6: to the end of their illness, so they're not sure
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Speaker 6: what impact that will have. But We've seen thousands of
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Speaker 6: people turn out in Queensland for testing, so we'll be
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Speaker 6: watching that very closely and the decision will be made
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Speaker 6: by the Territory controller when he believes it's safe to
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Speaker 6: remove them.
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Speaker 3: Well, what about the Plenty Highway.
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Speaker 5: I mean that comes in from Queensland and when I
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Speaker 5: was out there two weeks ago, the stream of camera
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Speaker 5: evans coming across was incredible for a dirt highway, really
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Speaker 5: was something to see. So, you know, do we have
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Speaker 5: number blake recognition now there? Do we have cops on
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Speaker 5: the borders out there?
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Speaker 6: So anyone entering the Northern Territory needs to pill in
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Speaker 6: that border form. My understanding is that there is number
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Speaker 6: plate recognition on the roads into the territory and the
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Speaker 6: Territory controller will deploy those police resources where he believes
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Speaker 6: they're needed.
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Speaker 1: O kay.
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Speaker 2: One of the other changes that came into play throughout
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Speaker 2: the week is the fact that nt Health had announced
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Speaker 2: that they've commenced to COVID nineteen wastewater testing system across
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Speaker 2: ten top end locations as a further surveillance system to
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Speaker 2: complement existing pathology based COVID nineteen testing for individuals FOSY.
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Speaker 2: This is something that we've asked you about on numerous occasions.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to when we asked you about this
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Speaker 2: a few months ago. Should we be testing the wastewater
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Speaker 2: like they do down south?
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Speaker 8: That has been discussed at a national level around doing
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Speaker 8: wastewater testing, and certainly in terms of areas that have
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Speaker 8: got community transmission, the evidence says that they should be
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Speaker 8: doing that. It's something that we certainly would consider if
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Speaker 8: we were to see cases. We need to understand why
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Speaker 8: would we be doing the wastewater testing and what is
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Speaker 8: it aiming to achieve.
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Speaker 2: So taking that into account, why are we doing the
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Speaker 2: testing and what is it aiming to achieve?
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Speaker 6: So we're now participating in a national trial of wastewater testing.
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Speaker 6: We've got ten sampling sites across the Top Bend. We've
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Speaker 6: been able to isolate Stove Road in Howard Springs, so
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Speaker 6: we will expect to have positive cases there because that's
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Speaker 6: the how It Springs quarantine facility. We mustn't become alarmed
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Speaker 6: if we do see detection of the virus in the
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Speaker 6: wastewater testing in other areas.
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Speaker 4: Are you worried you're going to see Well?
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Speaker 6: I think that we will see it because people shed
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Speaker 6: the virus for quite a period of time, so someone
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Speaker 6: could have had the virus many months ago and still
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Speaker 6: be shedding that the residual.
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Speaker 4: So that would be like a really low level.
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Speaker 6: And that's correct, and that's why our clinicians will interpret that.
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Speaker 6: Andy'll it's at a point where they so in Sydney,
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Speaker 6: for example, they've notified some suburbs today in the Northwest
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Speaker 6: that they feel that there's levels of the COVID being
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Speaker 6: picked up, that there may be activity in those areas.
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Speaker 6: So this is part of a national study and should
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Speaker 6: the detection of fragments be picked up, they'll look at
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Speaker 6: those geographical locations and they may request that the community
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Speaker 6: and that area get tested and really focus on that.
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Speaker 6: So that's what this is about.
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Speaker 5: I'm really glad the Gunna government of finally doing this.
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Speaker 5: It's something people have been talking about for a really
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Speaker 5: long time. Of course we've been watching inter state jurisdictions
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Speaker 5: do this and so now for us to be doing
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Speaker 5: it just really conscious. Of course, we've got Alice Springs
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Speaker 5: listeners and Alice Springs is a great place and that's
16:09
Speaker 5: not one of the trial sites, which I think will
16:11
Speaker 5: be really disappointing to people in Central Australia, particularly given
16:15
Speaker 5: their proximity to vulnerable populations.
16:18
Speaker 2: Any any you know moves to actually do something in
16:21
Speaker 2: Alice too.
16:22
Speaker 6: More than happy to go away and ask health to
16:24
Speaker 6: work with power and water and see if that's possible.
16:26
Speaker 6: I think that as we shift through the coronavirus pandemic,
16:29
Speaker 6: we see more people vaccinated and hopefully we see less
16:32
Speaker 6: restrictions in place around hotspot declarations. This will be an
16:35
Speaker 6: important tool for us to pick up any detection of
16:38
Speaker 6: the virus early. So more than happy to ask them
16:40
Speaker 6: to look at other locations.
16:41
Speaker 2: Look, there's quite a few messages coming through from listeners
16:43
Speaker 2: this morning. I do just want to take you to
16:45
Speaker 2: a couple though about testing. There's one here from Joe
16:47
Speaker 2: and it says, morning, Katie, how do you improve on
16:50
Speaker 2: a gold Star system?
16:51
Speaker 4: Why change it if it's not broken.
16:54
Speaker 6: So it's more as we learn more about the virus,
16:56
Speaker 6: they believe that the testing regime we've got the ability
16:59
Speaker 6: to turn those tests around quickly and that that is
17:01
Speaker 6: a better system. But as I said, the Nurses Federation
17:04
Speaker 6: here we very much respect, remembering that Kath and her
17:07
Speaker 6: colleagues are nurses, their clinical professionals. But we also need
17:10
Speaker 6: to respect our chief Health officers, so they're working together.
17:12
Speaker 2: I guess that's where the real concern is here, is
17:15
Speaker 2: if you've got health professionals that are worried and that
17:18
Speaker 2: you know, essentially earlier in the week looking at what
17:21
Speaker 2: action they're going to take. I know that Kathy is
17:23
Speaker 2: going to be surveying her members over the next couple
17:26
Speaker 2: of days. You know what's the government going to do
17:28
Speaker 2: if you literally have those nurses and health professionals that
17:32
Speaker 2: are surveyed. So we don't want to go to work
17:35
Speaker 2: if this isn't happening.
17:36
Speaker 6: And that's why the Nurses Federation is working with our
17:39
Speaker 6: Chief Health officer, and that's why they're sharing their evidence
17:42
Speaker 6: so that we can have confidence and people understand what
17:44
Speaker 6: is in place and why there was a change.
17:46
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got another message here, this one from Marianne
17:49
Speaker 2: in Virginia and it says we cross the Queensland NT
17:51
Speaker 2: border Wednesday am.
17:54
Speaker 4: Nothing checking on us, either from Queensland.
17:56
Speaker 2: Or the NT side. Across the WA border. A couple
17:59
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, police on WA very helpful. Nothing from
18:03
Speaker 2: the NT side didn't see any evidence of number plate
18:06
Speaker 2: recognition on the Queensland NT border either.
18:09
Speaker 6: So Katie, in terms of those measures Wednesday evening Thursday morning,
18:12
Speaker 6: is my understanding that the Territory Controller deployed those police resources.
18:16
Speaker 1: Three sixties the week it was thanks to the silver
18:19
Speaker 1: Hebron your local lawyers.
18:21
Speaker 2: You are listening to mix one oh four point nine's
18:23
Speaker 2: three sixty. It is the week that was near the
18:25
Speaker 2: studio with us this morning. We've got the Opposition leader
18:27
Speaker 2: Leofanocchiaro and the Health Minister Natasha Files. Now, I do
18:31
Speaker 2: want to talk about the situation that we saw unfold
18:34
Speaker 2: earlier in the week, and that was a crime spree
18:37
Speaker 2: as spanning the Darwin suburbs. We know now that Northern
18:40
Speaker 2: Territory Police have arrested and charged one youth and three
18:44
Speaker 2: men in relation to that crime series that took place
18:47
Speaker 2: earlier this week around Darwin. Strikeforce Trident. Detectives from Strikeforce
18:52
Speaker 2: Trident and Serious Crime arrested a seventeen year old, eighteen
18:56
Speaker 2: year old and nineteen year old male earlier in the
18:58
Speaker 2: week and another eight ten year old male was arrested yesterday.
19:03
Speaker 2: We know that this situation, so we spoke to Rihanna yesterday.
19:08
Speaker 2: She had her car stolen it was then used in
19:10
Speaker 2: a number of those incidents and pretty frightening stuff. We're
19:14
Speaker 2: talking about home invasions in some instances where people were
19:17
Speaker 2: still at home, and then you know, cars stolen, taxi
19:21
Speaker 2: drivers allegedly assaulted.
19:24
Speaker 4: It is a real worry.
19:26
Speaker 6: Now.
19:26
Speaker 2: Then yesterday on the show, we were absolutely inundated with
19:31
Speaker 2: phone calls because there was a crash on Baggett Road.
19:35
Speaker 2: So essentially that crash on Baggott Road happened just near
19:38
Speaker 2: the school there and the traffic was at a standstill.
19:41
Speaker 4: But then we learned that that car, one of.
19:44
Speaker 2: Those cars, was allegedly stolen, with the occupants now understood
19:49
Speaker 2: to be in custody. But yeah, it is certainly pretty
19:52
Speaker 2: concerning stuff, particularly when you consider that that literally happened
19:56
Speaker 2: at about eleven o'clock yesterday morning.
19:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're starting to see this more and more.
20:00
Speaker 5: Of course, a few weeks ago we saw the fifteen
20:02
Speaker 5: year old drive the stolen car from the eight month
20:05
Speaker 5: pregnant woman straight through the Paine glass window at the
20:07
Speaker 5: Zagalie celebrations, And we're seeing this over and over again.
20:10
Speaker 5: It's becoming a common story. And again it comes back
20:13
Speaker 5: to our law and order framework. We've got police under
20:17
Speaker 5: tremendous pressure, completely overstretch. We've got a government that won't
20:22
Speaker 5: come to terms we're dealing with these issues. I mean,
20:24
Speaker 5: I'd really love to see, and no one's given it
20:26
Speaker 5: to me, but I'd love to see how the new
20:29
Speaker 5: bail laws are working. Are people who are on bail
20:31
Speaker 5: still offending, and if they are still offending, are they
20:34
Speaker 5: still being bailed? We certainly think that they are. I
20:37
Speaker 5: mean the government's ring Leader legislation. This seventeen year old
20:39
Speaker 5: with an eighteen year old and nineteen year old he
20:41
Speaker 5: was with charged under the new ring Leader legislation. I
20:44
Speaker 5: think the government just can't get a grip on this issue,
20:47
Speaker 5: or they just don't want to get a grip on
20:48
Speaker 5: this issue.
20:49
Speaker 2: She read you out a message that I received yesterday
20:51
Speaker 2: from Darren in Stuart Park. Now it said, Hi, Katie,
20:55
Speaker 2: the justice system sucks. There were two youths in my
20:57
Speaker 2: pool yesterday at Stuart Park trespark, both wearing Tracker Ankle bracelets.
21:02
Speaker 2: I wanted to approach them myself, but I know I'd
21:04
Speaker 2: get in trouble. I called the police. They came and
21:07
Speaker 2: took the stolen bikes that took their stolen bikes from
21:12
Speaker 2: them and let them go. We've got a huge youth
21:14
Speaker 2: crime problem in Darwood at the moment and the Gunner
21:16
Speaker 2: government aren't taking it seriously, says says Darren and Stuart
21:20
Speaker 2: park yep.
21:21
Speaker 5: Because one the police supposed to do with the laws,
21:24
Speaker 5: they've got to operate within. And I think this is
21:26
Speaker 5: the huge breakdown between the government, the community and the police.
21:30
Speaker 5: And we've seen that through satisfaction surveys where eighty ninety
21:35
Speaker 5: percent of police said they don't support the Chief Minister
21:37
Speaker 5: or the government. The community are just pulling their hair out.
21:40
Speaker 5: They feel like nothing they say matters anymore. They're completely
21:43
Speaker 5: disenfranchised about this whole issue because you know, we will
21:47
Speaker 5: promised this toughest ever reform last sittings and what we
21:51
Speaker 5: got was worded down bow garbage.
21:53
Speaker 3: You know, it's just not wrong.
21:55
Speaker 2: Like just even listening to that message, right, Like, so
21:57
Speaker 2: you go, if you're talking about two you instead of
21:59
Speaker 2: got in electronic monitoring bracelets on. Surely it is a
22:02
Speaker 2: breach of your bail if you've allegedly stolen bikes, you've
22:06
Speaker 2: trespassed into somebody's home as well, just sort of you know,
22:10
Speaker 2: when you go it.
22:11
Speaker 4: Just doesn't make saying.
22:12
Speaker 5: But you know what, maybe that wasn't quote unquote a
22:15
Speaker 5: serious breach of bail, and so they still have a
22:17
Speaker 5: presumption in favor of bal and they would have rocked
22:19
Speaker 5: back up to court if they went to court at all,
22:22
Speaker 5: and probably got spat back out the system on the
22:24
Speaker 5: street to do it all again the next night.
22:26
Speaker 3: And that is the fundamental problem. And of course, you know,
22:29
Speaker 3: the suite of.
22:30
Speaker 5: Reform government promised last sittings was just absolutely watered down, garbage,
22:34
Speaker 5: and we're certainly going to be asking a lot of
22:36
Speaker 5: questions in estimates over the next two weeks about how
22:39
Speaker 5: effective that reform has been.
22:41
Speaker 6: So Katie, I can't talk to the specifics of that.
22:43
Speaker 6: I don't understand the circumstances of that. And police, we
22:46
Speaker 6: trust them to do the job you know that they
22:49
Speaker 6: should do on that and so that you know, would
22:51
Speaker 6: be a matter that's probably ongoing investigation. But as a government,
22:54
Speaker 6: we've invested more into community safety. We've provided more resources
22:58
Speaker 6: to police, more CCTV, more police on the beat, more training.
23:04
Speaker 6: We're investing in this space, but we've also got to
23:06
Speaker 6: deal with these issues before they begin. But it is
23:08
Speaker 6: a complex space.
23:09
Speaker 8: That our community is in.
23:10
Speaker 2: So if we've got more money going into this system,
23:12
Speaker 2: if we're doing more, if we've got more police, why
23:15
Speaker 2: is it still the problem that it is?
23:17
Speaker 4: And why do you think that we're you know, to.
23:21
Speaker 2: A lot of people, particularly those who were broken into
23:25
Speaker 2: as part of that and crime Spray earlier in the week,
23:27
Speaker 2: or those that were caught up you know, in that
23:29
Speaker 2: traffic jam yesterday, they'd be thinking to themselves, well, it's
23:32
Speaker 2: not working.
23:33
Speaker 6: Crime at any time, any crime, no matter how minor
23:36
Speaker 6: or how to be, is unacceptable and our community shouldn't
23:38
Speaker 6: have to put up with it. But for us, we're
23:40
Speaker 6: providing those resources to police and a multifaceted approach so
23:43
Speaker 6: that they can tackle these issues.
23:44
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the police put out a media
23:47
Speaker 5: release on this crime sprand said that that's seventeen year old.
23:51
Speaker 5: That was a rest of us charged with five counts
23:53
Speaker 5: of breaching bail. I mean, I think that's where people
23:56
Speaker 5: just go, yeah, going on, why are we giving people
24:01
Speaker 5: endless chances at bail? Bail is you're like, Okay, you've
24:04
Speaker 5: done the wrong thing, now's your chance behave yourself?
24:07
Speaker 3: Well it's but five times seriously.
24:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I know as a parent, like I
24:12
Speaker 2: think to myself, if I give my child five chances
24:14
Speaker 2: when they've done something really wrong, they're not.
24:18
Speaker 3: Going to doesn't send a message. It doesn't send them
24:20
Speaker 3: a message.
24:21
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what the answers are, but I
24:23
Speaker 2: feel like we've been banging on about this for such
24:25
Speaker 2: a long period of time. I know, even in Alice Springs.
24:28
Speaker 2: You know, it feels as though things have quietened down
24:31
Speaker 2: to some degree in Alice Springs.
24:32
Speaker 4: But they're not really. You know, you're still getting pretty
24:34
Speaker 4: serious pressure.
24:35
Speaker 2: Releases come through each and every day, or every second day,
24:37
Speaker 2: let's say, about things happening in the Allies.
24:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the problem is it's all well and good,
24:42
Speaker 5: like no one just wants to just walk around locking
24:45
Speaker 5: up kids. We totally get that. But ultimately, if you
24:48
Speaker 5: have a youth who is a repeat defender I EVE
24:51
Speaker 5: five breaches of bowel condition and going on to commit
24:54
Speaker 5: more offenses whilst on bail, the government has a decision
24:58
Speaker 5: to make. Do we protect the offense and allow them
25:01
Speaker 5: three million opportunities to get their life back on track,
25:04
Speaker 5: or do we protect the people that they then go
25:06
Speaker 5: on and victimize. And that's just how brutally honest.
25:10
Speaker 3: It has to be.
25:10
Speaker 5: It's like we have to protect one or the other.
25:13
Speaker 5: Seemingly we can't do both at the same time. So
25:15
Speaker 5: if you're going to snub your nose at all the
25:17
Speaker 5: chances to change your life and you keep offending, really
25:20
Speaker 5: you have to go to jail because otherwise there will
25:23
Speaker 5: be one, two, three, ten more victims as a result
25:26
Speaker 5: of not dealing with the offender.
25:27
Speaker 6: Katie, these are complex areas and it's you can't look
25:30
Speaker 6: at it simplistically. Victims, we need to support them, We
25:33
Speaker 6: need to make sure crime stops before it happens. But
25:36
Speaker 6: equally we do need to provide those resources into a
25:39
Speaker 6: police system, our justice system, and that's what we're doing well.
25:41
Speaker 2: And you know what if this if we find that,
25:44
Speaker 2: you know, in a couple of months time, this isn't working,
25:46
Speaker 2: maybe we need to put eighteen million dollars like we
25:48
Speaker 2: have in the youth justice system into victims of crime.
25:51
Speaker 2: So people can board up their premises, got roller doors
25:55
Speaker 2: and things.
25:55
Speaker 5: Everywhere, and that is what's happening, you know, like people
25:58
Speaker 5: are purchasing roller deal as. I mean, the roller doy
26:01
Speaker 5: industry and the glass industry must be having a wonderful time.
26:04
Speaker 5: You know, it's just a shame and why do we
26:07
Speaker 5: have to do that. You know, we're trying to attract tourists.
26:09
Speaker 5: We're trying to say come to our vibrant tropical cities
26:12
Speaker 5: or our communities right across the territory. You know in
26:15
Speaker 5: Alice Springs, crime the number one issue for tourism. You know,
26:18
Speaker 5: this is an all pervasive issue. It's not just poor
26:21
Speaker 5: territorians who become the victims. It's the flow on impact
26:24
Speaker 5: to business and the community. I mean, you know shops
26:26
Speaker 5: that have been broken into nine, ten times the cost
26:29
Speaker 5: of all of those things. It just adds up and
26:31
Speaker 5: ultimately a lot of people leave because they've had a
26:33
Speaker 5: gulp full.
26:33
Speaker 2: There is a message here from Edie and it says, Hi, Katie,
26:36
Speaker 2: how many times do we have to hear that one
26:38
Speaker 2: crime's won too many before the government starts acting to
26:41
Speaker 2: protect us. There's another one here, It says, Hi Katie,
26:45
Speaker 2: can you please ask why isn't the government doing more
26:47
Speaker 2: to get people back to country. If they don't have
26:50
Speaker 2: business here, why don't they go home? Katie?
26:53
Speaker 6: We have put in significant resources working with Larachian Nation
26:56
Speaker 6: to get people back to country. We have seen, you know,
26:59
Speaker 6: over the last few months, an increase, we believe. We've
27:01
Speaker 6: heard that anecdotally from our health services Larachian Nation. But
27:05
Speaker 6: we've certainly been putting resources into getting people back to
27:08
Speaker 6: country and making sure that they don't get caught up
27:10
Speaker 6: in duh and unnecessarily and become a burden here in Dul.
27:13
Speaker 4: But people do issuing Karama at the moment is.
27:16
Speaker 6: People don't have the right to come into any of
27:18
Speaker 6: our urban areas and they are service centers. I know
27:21
Speaker 6: that public housing has been doing a lot of work
27:24
Speaker 6: in this space because making sure that it's not just
27:27
Speaker 6: you know that it is only the tenants that people
27:29
Speaker 6: visitors that somehow end up in our public housing properties
27:32
Speaker 6: as well. So that describes the complexity of these issues
27:35
Speaker 6: that our community has.
27:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's not enough coordination, you know. I mean,
27:39
Speaker 5: and I've been out. I've done a mobile office in Karama.
27:41
Speaker 5: I've gone and stood at the supermarket with security and
27:44
Speaker 5: talk to them about how things are going. You know,
27:46
Speaker 5: you talk to people. I had a mobile office out
27:47
Speaker 5: front of Hibiscus shops last week and people were talking
27:50
Speaker 5: to me about territory housing and just the out of
27:53
Speaker 5: control behavior that's happen and any social behavior and crime
27:57
Speaker 5: that's happening in them. And you know, whenever we issues
28:00
Speaker 5: with government, it's just you get these you know, wet
28:03
Speaker 5: mop responses like oh, we're working with the tenant, we're
28:05
Speaker 5: doing this, we're doing that. It's not enough and in
28:08
Speaker 5: the meantime, everybody else has to suffer. You know, it's
28:12
Speaker 5: not okay. It's just not okay. And this guy, I
28:16
Speaker 5: just don't know why you guys don't want to take
28:18
Speaker 5: stronger action to have a stronger, safer community, one that
28:22
Speaker 5: everyone can enjoy and get on with their lives.
28:24
Speaker 2: Katie.
28:24
Speaker 6: Some of these issues, they're difficult and their long term work.
28:27
Speaker 6: But I will acknowledge the Minister for Urban Housing, Kate Wooden.
28:30
Speaker 6: She's been doing a lot of work in this space
28:31
Speaker 6: making sure that people who have public housing are upholding
28:34
Speaker 6: their tenancy agreements and that they're not causing problems within
28:37
Speaker 6: our community. And so that work certainly is being undertaken.
28:41
Speaker 6: And this describes the multifaceted, you know, issues that we
28:45
Speaker 6: face across our.
28:46
Speaker 4: Care and it does.
28:47
Speaker 2: But look, I think that people have reached a point
28:49
Speaker 2: where they're just going, why have we got a car
28:51
Speaker 2: that's stolen on the road at eleven o'clock in the
28:53
Speaker 2: morning yesterday, that's then crashed into allegedly into an innocent
28:57
Speaker 2: you know, an innocent scaring.
28:58
Speaker 4: On the road in you know, in broad daylight.
29:03
Speaker 2: It's scary, it's too much, you know, like it's something's
29:06
Speaker 2: got to change. And I know that the government obviously
29:08
Speaker 2: made these bail changes last month and it's you know,
29:12
Speaker 2: we don't know yet how they're going. But I'll be
29:14
Speaker 2: really fascinated to see the information that does come out
29:17
Speaker 2: of estimates next week. I'll be one of the few
29:19
Speaker 2: that's listening intently to find out and let our listeners
29:22
Speaker 2: know what's going on.
29:23
Speaker 1: Three sixties the week that was thanks to the Silver
29:26
Speaker 1: Hebron your local.
29:27
Speaker 2: Lawyers in the studio with us this morning for the
29:30
Speaker 2: week that was Leofanociario and Natasha Files, and we are
29:33
Speaker 2: also broadcasting on AH. Now, I do want to talk
29:37
Speaker 2: about the situation that we have at the moment at
29:39
Speaker 2: Royal Darwin Hospital now. Earlier in the week, we revealed
29:43
Speaker 2: on the show that a security guard had been stabbed
29:46
Speaker 2: by a patient at the hospital and that there was
29:50
Speaker 2: a serious bead shortage when it comes to mental health patients.
29:53
Speaker 2: We'd been told over the last couple of weeks that
29:56
Speaker 2: there'd been up to seventeen people who had to be
29:59
Speaker 2: accommodated in different parts of the hospital because there was
30:02
Speaker 2: not any room for them in the mental health ward
30:05
Speaker 2: at the hospital. Now, in addition to that, Matt Cunningham
30:09
Speaker 2: from Sky News has done a fairly extensive piece, you'd
30:13
Speaker 2: have to say, which reveals that there have been quite
30:18
Speaker 2: quite a crisis I think, with a lack of beds
30:21
Speaker 2: placing extraordinary pressure on the emergency department and forcing doctors
30:25
Speaker 2: to use distressing practices. So a sharp increase in mental
30:29
Speaker 2: health presentations and a lack of appropriate facilities and workers
30:33
Speaker 2: are creating dangerous environment where the safety of staff, patients
30:38
Speaker 2: and visitors are being put at risk. Whistleblowers have told
30:42
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory News that doctors in the emergency department
30:45
Speaker 2: are being forced to administer massive doses of sedatives to
30:49
Speaker 2: psychiatric patients as there are no mental health beds available
30:53
Speaker 2: for them. Some patients are being intubated, given a general
30:57
Speaker 2: anesthetic and sent to the intensive care unit on a
31:00
Speaker 2: ventilator because they're too violent to be kept in the
31:03
Speaker 2: emergency department. Mental health patients are sometimes being forced to
31:08
Speaker 2: spend several days in seclusion in the emergency department with no.
31:13
Speaker 4: Access to daylight or fresh air.
31:15
Speaker 2: Staff in some cases have been forced to let sanctioned
31:20
Speaker 2: or involuntary patients leave the emergency department to avoid violent confrontations.
31:27
Speaker 2: You would have to say that this is really at
31:29
Speaker 2: a crisis point filesy mental health.
31:32
Speaker 6: Katie's being a concern and it's a multifaceted approach that's needed.
31:37
Speaker 6: So we have put investment into the community response and
31:40
Speaker 6: we are also putting investment into the acute response. But
31:43
Speaker 6: I will acknowledge that Roddaleen Hospital and particularly the emergency
31:47
Speaker 6: department are under pressure and so we're working to put
31:51
Speaker 6: in place some shorter term measures. And this work has
31:53
Speaker 6: actually been underway for some time and we have tried
31:56
Speaker 6: different measures, but this is an issue that we face
31:59
Speaker 6: around the country. In terms of Royal Darn Hospital, we
32:02
Speaker 6: have the ju and the county units that provide inpatient
32:04
Speaker 6: beds for sectioned patients, but we need to have more
32:08
Speaker 6: assessment in the emergency department. So we're working to provide
32:12
Speaker 6: a safer space for patients and for our staff in
32:15
Speaker 6: that as well as eighteen additional beds. We've put in
32:18
Speaker 6: place the corresponder models, so we're trying to deviate known
32:22
Speaker 6: patients from mental illness from our hospitals to try and
32:25
Speaker 6: provide them those supports in the community setting. We're working
32:28
Speaker 6: with the community providers around more beds. We've put in
32:31
Speaker 6: place the Harcy program, for example, which supports public housing
32:34
Speaker 6: tenants to maintain their tendancy. So this is a difficult
32:37
Speaker 6: issue and mental health illness because you can't physically see it,
32:41
Speaker 6: it is a really difficult space. But I think there's
32:44
Speaker 6: been a lot of acknowledgment across the country that it's
32:46
Speaker 6: a very real issue and that governments need to invest
32:49
Speaker 6: in it.
32:49
Speaker 2: Well, it's an incredibly real issue, and it's acute at
32:52
Speaker 2: this point in time for us here in the Northern Territory.
32:55
Speaker 2: I mean, when we've got a situation early last month,
32:57
Speaker 2: we're a security guard were stabbed in the hospital.
33:01
Speaker 4: You know, to me, it's at breaking point, Katie.
33:04
Speaker 6: We have zero tolerance for violence against our staff and
33:07
Speaker 6: it is extremely disappointing that sometimes people when they go
33:10
Speaker 6: to hospital have no respect for our staff. They are
33:14
Speaker 6: making clinical decisions and it might be that you're in
33:16
Speaker 6: the waiting room first, but someone else might need that
33:18
Speaker 6: medical care quicker. And we have that zero tolerance for aggression,
33:22
Speaker 6: something that we have run campaigns here in the territory.
33:25
Speaker 6: We've run campaigns with our paramedics and right across the
33:27
Speaker 6: country in terms of mental health though, it's needed a
33:30
Speaker 6: specific focus and I believe these additional resources will drive
33:34
Speaker 6: long term change to provide better care but also a
33:37
Speaker 6: safer working environment.
33:39
Speaker 2: I mean, are our staff actually safe in the hospital
33:43
Speaker 2: if you know, well, we've got security guards having to
33:45
Speaker 2: obviously oversee some of those patients, will be there with
33:49
Speaker 2: some of those patients, but then if you wind up
33:51
Speaker 2: in a situation where one of them is stabbed, I mean,
33:53
Speaker 2: are our staff safe here?
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Speaker 6: They should be safe and it's everyone's responsibility to make
33:57
Speaker 6: sure they are, and particularly the guns. And that is
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Speaker 6: why we have and are investing in this space. But
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Speaker 6: we're also looking at shorter term solutions so that we
34:07
Speaker 6: can try and ease that pressure whilst that infrastructure comes online.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the stabbing of the security guard is so
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Speaker 5: scary and the fact that you know the government didn't
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Speaker 5: let anyone know about it, this has just come out
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Speaker 5: through Lakes just makes everyone wonder, you know, what other
34:21
Speaker 5: incidents don't we know about and the fact that that
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Speaker 5: security guard put their life on the line, you know,
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Speaker 5: it really genuinely is heroic. That could have been a
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Speaker 5: nurse or a doctor instead of that security guard. And
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Speaker 5: I think that just highlights the level of control we're
34:36
Speaker 5: having to have in our health facilities and just how
34:39
Speaker 5: risky things have become and it's not okay, and for
34:44
Speaker 5: the government to sort of sweep under the carpet these
34:47
Speaker 5: types of things just really again undermines community confidence in
34:51
Speaker 5: the process and in the system.
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Speaker 6: Disagree with the comment that sweeping in under the carpet, Katie.
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Speaker 6: This is an issue for me as the Minister for
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Speaker 6: Health that I've tackled head on and that I've acknowledged
34:59
Speaker 6: mental health health and the need for more resources not
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Speaker 6: just in the acute setting, more bed space and more staff,
35:05
Speaker 6: but also stopping people with mental illness from having to
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Speaker 6: enter that acute system, which is the worst place for them,
35:11
Speaker 6: and what resources we can put So we trialed the
35:13
Speaker 6: corresponding model and that's been very successful, so we will
35:16
Speaker 6: expand that and extend that. We are making sure that
35:19
Speaker 6: we're supporting public housing tenants to maintain their tendency. We
35:22
Speaker 6: know that homelessness and mental illness go hand in hand,
35:25
Speaker 6: but also making sure that we've got that community space,
35:28
Speaker 6: So there'll be a new adult community space in Casarina
35:31
Speaker 6: in the coming months and that will provide support to
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Speaker 6: people to maintain their health so that they don't end
35:37
Speaker 6: up in that acute setting any situation. Is Is it
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Speaker 6: correct though that there was I mean, you'd spoken to
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Speaker 6: me earlier in the week about the need for staff
35:45
Speaker 6: in the emergency ward to be trained in the mental
35:47
Speaker 6: health space and to have a team that can assess
35:50
Speaker 6: those mental health patients as they come in.
35:52
Speaker 2: Is it the case that a locum who was employed
35:55
Speaker 2: or was hired to do that job left really rather
35:59
Speaker 2: quickly because of serious concerns about the way that things
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Speaker 2: are unfolding inside the hospital when it comes to mental health.
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Speaker 6: So, having been out at the hospital each week for
36:08
Speaker 6: the last few weeks, working with the clinicians and listening
36:11
Speaker 6: directly to them, it was identified that if we could
36:13
Speaker 6: put some of those mental health resources straight into ED,
36:16
Speaker 6: it would support them. I can't talk to the individual
36:19
Speaker 6: circumstances of people's positions there, but that is something that
36:23
Speaker 6: we're looking at having that support in the emergency department
36:26
Speaker 6: to support those emergency doctors. So we're also looking KT
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Speaker 6: two in terms of the hospital. Emergency is where most
36:33
Speaker 6: people present, but can we have directive mission for some
36:36
Speaker 6: people into certain areas at the hospital in terms of
36:38
Speaker 6: mental illness, they need to be assessed for physical injuries.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's bed to take them into. Like even
36:44
Speaker 4: if there is a situation.
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Speaker 2: Where they can have that direct line, if there's no
36:48
Speaker 2: space and nowhere for them to go. And I know
36:50
Speaker 2: that we're obviously you know, the tenders come out for
36:52
Speaker 2: that facility, but that's going to be a while away, Like.
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Speaker 4: How long is that going to take?
36:56
Speaker 6: And we are going to have beds in the shorter term.
36:58
Speaker 6: We cannot wait until that infrastructs true it is built.
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Speaker 6: I've absolutely acknowledged that. So we are putting in place
37:03
Speaker 6: some short term measures to have additional beds. This is
37:05
Speaker 6: an area of growth, Katie that I think we haven't
37:07
Speaker 6: seen much acknowledgment, but in the recent years from both
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Speaker 6: Commonwealth and state governments, we've had national reports into this.
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Speaker 6: We know that we need to care for these people
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Speaker 6: in a different way, and that's why we're putting these
37:19
Speaker 6: resources right across the spectrum in place.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, it's been an obvious issue
37:23
Speaker 5: for a long time that hasn't properly been addressed, and
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Speaker 5: I think the best example of that is a dull
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Speaker 5: and private hospital. You know, they identified the need, they
37:31
Speaker 5: got on with the job. That facility is now built
37:33
Speaker 5: and operational, and the fact that the public system is
37:36
Speaker 5: now playing catch up is you know, definitely disappointing. It's
37:39
Speaker 5: great the government are now onto it because it's going
37:41
Speaker 5: to obviously make our hospitals safer, but also takes the
37:44
Speaker 5: pressure of police who are also involved in having to
37:47
Speaker 5: deal with these people.
37:48
Speaker 6: Hey, you don't think we're playing catch up in this space.
37:50
Speaker 6: The private hospital facility is fantastic. We need to have
37:53
Speaker 6: different levels of care for different people and so the
37:57
Speaker 6: more we have in this space that is so welcomed.
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Speaker 3: But this is an area.
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Speaker 6: You've had some national inquiries recently that have identified how
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Speaker 6: governments across Australia can provide better care to people suffering
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Speaker 6: from mental illness and will continue to work very hard
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Speaker 6: in this space.
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Speaker 1: Three sixties the week that was thanks to the Silver
38:15
Speaker 1: hebron your local lawyers.
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Speaker 2: We don't have a huge amount of time left, but
38:18
Speaker 2: still a couple of things that I'm very keen to
38:20
Speaker 2: talk about this morning, and of course Leofanocciaio and Natasha
38:24
Speaker 2: files in the studio with me now. The Treaty Commissioner
38:27
Speaker 2: Mick Dodson has extended his leave as the Anti government
38:31
Speaker 2: is apparently trying to negotiate his resignation. That's what's been
38:34
Speaker 2: reported today in the paper. Professor Dodson's lawyer David da
38:39
Speaker 2: Silva said an announcement about his future was imminent and
38:43
Speaker 2: said Meck currently remains on leave while he receives support
38:46
Speaker 2: for a mental health condition. An announcement about his future
38:50
Speaker 2: will be made in the coming days.
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Speaker 4: Leah, you have been very firm on this that you
38:55
Speaker 4: feel he needs to stand aside.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: When you're a commission Annuel, you hold very high levels
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Speaker 5: of office. You have to be beyond approach and these
39:03
Speaker 5: allegations I think from three women or three Aboriginal women
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Speaker 5: are simply appalling. You know, the role of Treaty Commissioner
39:09
Speaker 5: is important. The fact that the Minister for Treaty Selena
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Speaker 5: you but you know, an Aboriginal woman herself has known
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Speaker 5: about this since March and is absolutely silent on this issue.
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Speaker 3: I mean, she's completely a woll.
39:21
Speaker 5: We've had the Chief Minister come out and try and
39:23
Speaker 5: get him to resign, which has been ignored, which just
39:26
Speaker 5: shows how much clout the Chief Minister has got in
39:29
Speaker 5: our territory. But yet again, Selena Yuvo, where are you?
39:33
Speaker 5: He's your treaty commissioner. You know, these are the same
39:36
Speaker 5: group of labor ministers who march with women during the
39:39
Speaker 5: March for Justice and you know, are happy to do
39:42
Speaker 5: publicity around women's rights and stamping out violence against women.
39:45
Speaker 5: But when you actually then have a situation you need
39:48
Speaker 5: to deal with, just completely goes to ground.
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Speaker 3: I mean it's unacceptable, Natasha, what's going to happen here?
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Speaker 6: So the Territory GUBB strongly condemns the threatening or abusive
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Speaker 6: behavior of any individual. This is difficult, Katie, because someone
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Speaker 6: who's going through an employment matter, but he has mister
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Speaker 6: Donson indicated his willingness to resign and those arrangements are
40:07
Speaker 6: being finalized. But it is unacceptable any behavior, any threats
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Speaker 6: of violence against any individual, let alone a woman.
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Speaker 5: I mean, what does that even mean? Like arrangements to resign?
40:18
Speaker 5: I mean who even knows what some of this stuff
40:20
Speaker 5: actually means. The opposition has been very clear if he
40:22
Speaker 5: doesn't stand down before sittings on Friday fortnight, will move
40:26
Speaker 5: the motion to the Parliament. It would be then up
40:27
Speaker 5: to the government whether or not they believe he should
40:30
Speaker 5: stay or go. And again we've had to lead from
40:32
Speaker 5: opposition in the absence of any leadership from Selina Eubo
40:35
Speaker 5: or Michael Gunner, will you support that motion?
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Speaker 6: We haven't ruled out either putting forward our own motion
40:39
Speaker 6: or supporting the oppositions interesting stuff.
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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of interesting, Leah fan Okiaro, you apparently flew
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Speaker 2: for flu to Sydney for one thousand dollars ahead Liberal
40:50
Speaker 2: Party fundraiser on Wednesday, the NTA news is revealed.
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Speaker 4: Firstly, what was for lunch? We had staken chips. It
40:57
Speaker 4: was lovely. What thoughts?
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Speaker 5: No, No, I want to say that it was such
41:02
Speaker 5: an I'm thrilled to have had the opportunity to go.
41:05
Speaker 5: You know, you don't get many opportunities to go into
41:08
Speaker 5: state and sprook the territory and put the territory for
41:11
Speaker 5: its investment opportunities on the map. And I want territories
41:14
Speaker 5: to understand that this was not a taxpayer funded trip.
41:17
Speaker 5: I went as parliamentary leader of the Country Liberal Party
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Speaker 5: and the Country Liberal Party paid for me to go.
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Speaker 5: I was gone for funds about twenty four hours YEP,
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Speaker 5: for the Liberal Party. So I was very pleased to
41:28
Speaker 5: be asked to be a guest speaker. Of course I
41:31
Speaker 5: talked about all the things you would expect me to
41:33
Speaker 5: talk about about, our mining opportunities, our guess opportunities, our
41:36
Speaker 5: agricultural opportunities, that the territory needs to be and is
41:40
Speaker 5: the best place to invest. And so any chance I
41:43
Speaker 5: get to bang the territory drama and say come and
41:45
Speaker 5: spend your money here, come and create jobs, I'll take
41:48
Speaker 5: it any day of the week.
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Speaker 3: Katie.
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Speaker 6: So Leah, we know that the CLP previously had Foundation
41:53
Speaker 6: fifty one, and we know that the U Foundation is
41:55
Speaker 6: the new South Wales version.
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Speaker 4: So will there be any kick base?
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Speaker 5: What a muddy ridiculous thing to say.
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Speaker 6: The backdoor way of funding seal P election campaigns. So
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Speaker 6: this was not a yes or funding will come into
42:12
Speaker 6: the territory.
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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not answering your ridiculous no, not because
42:17
Speaker 5: it's just ridiculous. I got a foundation, provide any funding
42:21
Speaker 5: to the Seal people. Well, you'll have to ask the
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Speaker 5: Human Foundation. I am the Country Liberal Party leader, and
42:25
Speaker 5: I went down to sprint the territory, which I wish
42:27
Speaker 5: the Chief Minister we would do more of. I mean,
42:31
Speaker 5: ultimately takes it's a long way to go for just
42:33
Speaker 5: a meal. Ultimately we need to have a national profile.
42:37
Speaker 5: We need to be in front of investors and saying
42:39
Speaker 5: to them, come to the territory. It's just so important.
42:42
Speaker 5: I'm you know, we've got we.
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Speaker 3: Don't deny that nothing.
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Speaker 6: A thousand dollars ahead, lunch in a board room doesn't
42:47
Speaker 6: seem like being very open and transparent, Being very.
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Speaker 5: Open and transparent. Absolutely nothing to do here. The Country
42:53
Speaker 5: Libty paid for me to go.
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Speaker 3: I went.
42:56
Speaker 5: I sprinkd the territory as hard as I possibly could,
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Speaker 5: and I do that again day of the week, because
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Speaker 5: I'll put.
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Speaker 3: The territory first every chance I get.
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Speaker 4: Katie, we are gonna have to wrap up.
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Speaker 2: The opposition leader Leofanokia, thank you so much, thank you today.
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Speaker 5: Great weekend and plenty weekend Baranga, Natasha Files, thank you
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Speaker 5: for your time.
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Speaker 4: Thank you and we'll catch you again well enough next week.
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