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The Year Of Tammy Hembrow & 'Feeling Broke' · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and on today's show, we are finishing our
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  Speaker 1: influencer countdown. Yeah, so last time we counted from six
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  Speaker 1: to ten. Now we're doing the top five. Just to
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  Speaker 1: refresh everyone's memories, coming in at number ten was the
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  Speaker 1: Steph Clare Smith Uber Eats deal, which featured her son Harvey,
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  Speaker 1: even though They no longer show his face.
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  Speaker 2: It was quite contentious.
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  Speaker 1: His face was very creatively concealed during that ad. Sharing
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  Speaker 1: ninth spot was Olivia Rogers and her ex-husband, Justin McKean's
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  Speaker 1: separate pregnancy announcement.
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  Speaker 2: To other people. To other people.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Then in eighth spot was the Sabi artwork controversy. One
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  Speaker 1: of the owners of the company was accused of painting
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  Speaker 1: over an artist's artwork. Then in seventh spot, we had
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  Speaker 1: Georgia Love and Lee Elliott's divorce. signaling the fact that
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  Speaker 1: love is dead.
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  Speaker 2: That was very upsetting.
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  Speaker 1: And coming in at sixth spot, my personal favorite was
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  Speaker 1: Molly May and Tommy Fury reuniting.
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  Speaker 2: So there is hope for Lee and Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Now coming in at fifth spot, as voted by Outspoken,
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  Speaker 1: is Indy Clinton hiring a PI to expose her trolls.
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  Speaker 1: Now she put her trolls on warning in May after
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  Speaker 1: experiencing relentless online harassment and over her nose job. So
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  Speaker 1: she called in reinforcements in the form of a private investigator. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So she broke the news about the PI during a
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  Speaker 1: Q & A. She wrote, the anonymous accounts and the
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  Speaker 1: faceless people hiding behind them need to be held accountable.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to make a change for my children, your children,
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  Speaker 1: your nieces and nephews. She then went on to say,
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  Speaker 1: no change is made if no change is done. I'm
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  Speaker 1: here to make an impact and a difference. I'm absolutely
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  Speaker 1: shocked at who these people are. That's all I can
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  Speaker 1: say for now as it's an ongoing investigation. Now, a
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  Speaker 1: month later, and this was literally the weekend before I
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  Speaker 1: was about to give birth, Indy rather dramatically returned to
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  Speaker 1: her stories to share the results that her PI had uncovered.
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  Speaker 1: And I was devastated by the timing because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be all across this, but I missed out on
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  Speaker 1: this episode. A bit of a fun fact for you. Now,
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  Speaker 1: over a glass of wine, and I say a glass,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps it was several glasses because Indy did confirm that
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  Speaker 1: she was quite intoxicated by this stage. She revealed that
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  Speaker 1: her PI had delivered her a 64-page report containing detailed
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  Speaker 1: information about her most prolific trolls. So she declared to
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  Speaker 1: her trolls, let me tell you, you are not anonymous
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  Speaker 1: because I literally have every fucking detail. She wanted to
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  Speaker 1: say that she knew specific details about her trolls, including
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  Speaker 1: their Australian business numbers, where they gave birth, their tattoo.
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  Speaker 2: Designs, and even the names of their gynecologists.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of personal information. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the report also uncovered that disturbingly, the majority of
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  Speaker 1: Indy's trolls were from Melbourne and were mothers. Now, in
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  Speaker 1: the end, Indy took the high road and said she
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be naming or shaming. She said it just wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be beneficial for anyone to do so. It really did
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  Speaker 1: seem to spark a movement though online, particularly because only
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks later, the owner of Tattle Life, a
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  Speaker 1: notorious hate forum, was unmasked. Coming in in fourth spot
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  Speaker 1: is Sarah's Day's cancelled perfume collaboration. This one was huge.
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  Speaker 1: So in July, Sarah announced her collaboration with fragrance brand
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  Speaker 1: Who Is Elijah was over. Sarah was set to launch
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  Speaker 1: her own signature perfume with the Australian Fragrance House and
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  Speaker 1: had been documenting the process to her 1.2 million followers.
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  Speaker 1: She ended up sharing the news on her Instagram story
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  Speaker 1: and it didn't take long for things to get messy.
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  Speaker 1: So she claimed that she had been working on the
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  Speaker 1: collaboration for two years after the brand reached out to
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  Speaker 1: her to make a fragrance. Sarah said that she felt
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  Speaker 1: she owed her followers an update as she had documented
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  Speaker 1: the entire process.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to sit down and update you guys
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  Speaker 4: on something you've been asking me a lot about. And
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  Speaker 4: that is my collaboration with Who Is Elijah. So two
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  Speaker 4: years ago, they reached out to me to make a
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  Speaker 4: fragrance with them. And as you know, I have documented
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  Speaker 4: the entire process. You guys have come along on the
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  Speaker 4: journey and we will all really excited. And unfortunately, it's
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  Speaker 4: no longer happening. And I'm sure you're asking why. And honestly,
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  Speaker 4: we are asking the same question. I don't have the
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  Speaker 4: answers for you, unfortunately. I know that might sound really
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  Speaker 4: confusing or frustrating, but I don't have more to give you.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm just as disheartened, I guess, as you guys.
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  Speaker 4: And I was really excited about this collaboration, but.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not happening.
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  Speaker 4: That is unfortunately the update.
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  Speaker 2: However, I am working on a.
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  Speaker 4: Focus on those.
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  Speaker 2: And forget that ever happened.
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  Speaker 1: Wipe it from my mind.
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  Speaker 4: Wipe it from all of our memories.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Forget the former things.
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  Speaker 1: Don't.
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  Speaker 3: That's love that. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Now, a few hours after Sarah's announcement, Raquel Burris released
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  Speaker 1: her own statement on Instagram. In it, she said that
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  Speaker 1: they all have so much love and respect for Sarah
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  Speaker 1: and the decision to pause the collab wasn't random or
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  Speaker 1: without reason. She said as the brand grows into international markets,
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  Speaker 1: they've had to make some tough calls to stay focused
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  Speaker 1: on global plans, which meant shifting their resources towards retail
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  Speaker 1: expansion and other internal priorities. Despite both parties having their say,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't the last we heard from Sarah. So Sarah's
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  Speaker 1: Reel started to go viral. It attracted over 1.2 million
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  Speaker 1: views and 500 comments. And the comment section itself turned
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  Speaker 1: into an absolute free-for-all. With Sarah's fans slamming, who is Elijah?
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  Speaker 1: Sarah also didn't hold back in the comment section. So
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  Speaker 1: while she was quite constrained in the video, she was
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  Speaker 1: dropping all these extra details and digs towards the brand.
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  Speaker 1: It was clear she was very angry and upset that
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  Speaker 1: the collaboration had ended. Yeah, in the comment section, she
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  Speaker 1: revealed that she learned the collaboration was over via an
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  Speaker 1: email and said it felt like she was being strung
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  Speaker 1: along for free promo and content. She also alleged that
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  Speaker 1: she didn't receive a dime for the collaboration and everything
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  Speaker 1: she did was in good faith because she was committed
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  Speaker 1: to the project. She even labeled the situation icky and wrote, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: it's not about the money for me. It's about the
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  Speaker 1: time and the sneakiness of it all. Just using the
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  Speaker 1: word sneaky, you can tell how fired up she would
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  Speaker 1: have been. She even told a follower that she'd kept
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  Speaker 1: the sample of the scent she created. just to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that Who Is Elijah didn't release it under a
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  Speaker 1: different name, adding, honestly, I would expect nothing less from
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  Speaker 1: them at this rate. She also complained about the brand
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  Speaker 1: taking valuable time away from her and her kids. She wrote,
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  Speaker 1: it's about the time wasted and robbed when I was
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  Speaker 1: having someone else hold my baby so I could work
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  Speaker 1: on it. Time is the most valuable commodity, truly. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of get that now as a mom, though. Like
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  Speaker 1: any time that you do have away from your kids,
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  Speaker 1: you are furious if your time is wasted. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying it was in this case but I kind of,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I get Sarah's Day more now that
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  Speaker 1: I'm a mum. Now that you're exhausted and trying to
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  Speaker 1: work a job at the same time as full-time parenting.
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  Speaker 1: I actually feel like there has been a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a swing and more people like Sarah's Day now. Like
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  Speaker 1: I think people are sort of over the cancellation or
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  Speaker 1: the cancelling of influencers. Yeah, I think cancel culture has
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  Speaker 1: been left in the early 20s and we're moving towards
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  Speaker 1: people just being exhausted more over this constant cancellation of
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  Speaker 1: people and being like, if you don't like it, unfollow it. See,
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  Speaker 1: I was listening to the episode that you guys, it
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  Speaker 1: would have been a few weeks now, recorded about Sarah's
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  Speaker 1: Day's luxury beach house. And you guys had the conversation
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  Speaker 1: where you were talking about that people think that we
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  Speaker 1: hate Sarah's Day.
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  Speaker 2: I love her videos.
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  Speaker 1: I used to get criticized for being too much of
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  Speaker 1: a Sarah's Day stan. But as you said, I think
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  Speaker 1: that there are some areas where she has gone wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously we have highlighted that and spoken about that
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  Speaker 1: in depth on the podcast. You can like someone but
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  Speaker 1: be disappointed by the content that they put out there.
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  Speaker 1: It's not particularly that I would use the word like her.
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  Speaker 1: Like I would say I enjoy her content and I
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  Speaker 1: have been following her for, you know, seven or eight
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  Speaker 1: years now. So she seems like someone you know and
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  Speaker 1: you're following along.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like a friend of a friend.
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  Speaker 1: You don't necessarily like them but you're interested in their life.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you catch up with your friend, You want
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  Speaker 1: to hear the update of what's going on with that person. See,
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  Speaker 1: I just, I've loved her lifestyle from the get go.
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  Speaker 1: I love her, the interior of her house, all her
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  Speaker 1: vlogs feel great. Anyway, let's get back to this. So
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  Speaker 1: in the comment section, one fan's comment ended up triggering
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  Speaker 1: a war of words between Sarah and the CEO of
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  Speaker 1: Who Is Elijah. So Sarah's follower wrote, seems pretty deceitful
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  Speaker 1: and sneaky. They just used you for free promotion. If
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  Speaker 1: you signed a contract, can you sue them? And Sarah
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  Speaker 1: ended up liking the comment and replied, unfortunately, I just
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  Speaker 1: started making content in good faith because I was so
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  Speaker 1: committed and excited. Contract and wrongdoing is only really useful
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  Speaker 1: once the product was launched.
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  Speaker 2: Now, who is.
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  Speaker 1: Elijah's CEO, Adam Boris, who is Raquel's husband, entered the chat.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote, Sarah, this is absolute rubbish and you know this.
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  Speaker 1: You are fueling this with.
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  Speaker 2: A false narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah replied, would you like me to forward you the
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  Speaker 1: email my team was blindsided with after two years of
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  Speaker 1: working on this collab? And he wrote back, things happen
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  Speaker 1: in business. Some things work and some things don't and
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  Speaker 1: we move on.
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  Speaker 2: That is business.
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  Speaker 1: We apologized for the change in direction and offered to
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  Speaker 1: still do the perfume under your own brand, completely your own,
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  Speaker 1: which we fully supported, which was immediately rejected. I won't
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  Speaker 1: stand and watch you gaslight your own followers here and
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  Speaker 1: talk badly about my team. I would tread carefully here.
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  Speaker 1: Those are fighting words, aren't they? Sarah's husband, Kurt, then
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  Speaker 1: entered the chat himself. He fired up, writing to Adam,
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  Speaker 1: tread careful as you threaten a woman.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, mate.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah hasn't said a single bad word. thing about the
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  Speaker 1: two of you the team or the brand she has
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  Speaker 1: simply let her community know that it's not going ahead
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  Speaker 1: which considering she has shared pretty much every aspect of
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  Speaker 1: her and my family's life for the last 11 years
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty normal thing Now, a couple of days later,
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  Speaker 1: Raquel ended up releasing a very eloquent response to her
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  Speaker 1: Instagram story, which did receive a lot of praise at
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  Speaker 1: the time. So in it, she explained that she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: initially going to respond, but she felt she had to
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  Speaker 1: say something after someone with such a huge platform was
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  Speaker 1: encouraging bullying and spreading false narratives about her brand. That
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  Speaker 1: was a very strong comment. She continued saying that Who
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  Speaker 1: Is Elijah ended the contract well within the agreed terms
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  Speaker 1: and there was no breach. She also confirmed that she
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  Speaker 1: personally sent the email to Sarah to end the collaboration
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  Speaker 1: and what she received back from Sarah was unprofessional. She
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  Speaker 1: then went on to say that Sarah's claim that she
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  Speaker 1: worked on the project for two years was simply untrue.
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  Speaker 1: She also went on to say that Who Is Elijah
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  Speaker 1: was responsible for everything including the fragrance sampling, manufacturing, logistics
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  Speaker 1: and compliances. She said Sarah's involvement stopped at the sampling stage,
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  Speaker 1: and she finished up by saying what Sarah said was
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  Speaker 1: deeply misleading and harmful. Coming in in third spot is
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  Speaker 1: Indy Clinton's nose job. So back in March, if you'll
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  Speaker 1: believe it, Indy revealed on TikTok that she was set
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  Speaker 1: to go under the knife to fix a bump on
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  Speaker 1: her nose from a past surfing accident. And she revealed
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  Speaker 1: that she actually considered hiding the surgery from her followers,
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  Speaker 1: which In hindsight, it's quite interesting because I do not
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  Speaker 1: think that this would have gone unnoticed. Well, no, but
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  Speaker 1: I think her initial thoughts of hiding it stemmed from
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she actually did a similar thing when
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  Speaker 1: she got breast implants a couple of months earlier. So
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  Speaker 1: she announced on social media that she was going to
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  Speaker 1: take a bit of a break from the app because
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  Speaker 1: she hadn't had a holiday in so many years. But
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  Speaker 1: it turned out she was actually getting a breast augmentation.
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  Speaker 1: And when she returned to social media, she admitted, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I've done. But she explained that she didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be seen to be promoting it and documenting
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  Speaker 1: it to her young, impressionable followers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And in terms of wanting to hide the nose job,
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  Speaker 1: she said it came out of fear because she didn't
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  Speaker 1: want judgment over looking like she was again promoting more surgery.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like she knew what was coming though. It
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  Speaker 2: feels that way.
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  Speaker 1: She made the decision not to document the procedure, but
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  Speaker 1: she was inundated by followers who wanted her to do
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  Speaker 1: a grand nose reveal. Now, in April, Indie ended up
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  Speaker 1: sharing the results of her nose job. And at the time,
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  Speaker 1: she prefaced that she was very swollen as she was
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  Speaker 1: only two weeks post-op and it would take several months
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  Speaker 1: to heal. Instantly, she was inundated with negative comments and
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  Speaker 1: a barrage of hate with followers saying that the nose
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  Speaker 1: job had ruined her face. One user wrote, it's one
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  Speaker 1: of the worst jobs I've ever seen. Half her nostrils
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  Speaker 1: are cut off whilst another said she's ruined herself. She
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  Speaker 1: was naturally beautiful. She didn't need surgery. The online bullying
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  Speaker 1: became so intense that Indy had to shield her nose
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  Speaker 1: behind a face mask when she appeared online. And she
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  Speaker 1: did take a bit of a break from social media. Now,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of July, Indy addressed the huge reaction
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  Speaker 1: to her nose job. In a candid TikTok video, she
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  Speaker 1: admitted that she wasn't happy with the results of the
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  Speaker 1: surgery and that she didn't ask for the nose she
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  Speaker 1: currently has. She said, do you think I asked for
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  Speaker 1: this genuinely? Let me make it clear for you guys.
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  Speaker 1: I asked for minor tweaks.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Italian. I had a Mediterranean nose. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: That was what we agreed on. Does it look like
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  Speaker 1: I've had minor tweaks? There's your answer, ladies and gentlemen. Now,
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  Speaker 1: seven months after unveiling her new nose, Indy revealed that
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  Speaker 1: she was set to have corrective rhinoplasty. So in a
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  Speaker 1: tearful video, she said she felt sick to her core
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  Speaker 1: about the impending surgery and had PTSD from the first operation.
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  Speaker 1: She also revealed her nose would have to be reconstructed
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  Speaker 1: during a four-hour surgery, where surgeons would have to take
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  Speaker 1: cartilage from her rib to support her nose again. It
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  Speaker 1: sounded extremely painful. Yeah, she also showed the camera that
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  Speaker 1: she was struggling to breathe out of her nostrils, which
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  Speaker 1: was new information. At that stage, no one knew that
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  Speaker 1: that was the case. I have a feeling a big
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  Speaker 1: story we may be reflecting on at the end of
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  Speaker 1: 2026 could possibly be In pending legal action, it appears
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  Speaker 1: Indy is set to take on the initial surgeon. She
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  Speaker 1: hinted this when she was on the red carpet at
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  Speaker 1: the TikTok awards and also in her comment section that
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  Speaker 1: legal action is imminent. So we will have to wait
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  Speaker 1: and see. Now, I want to preface, we are recording
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  Speaker 1: this right before Christmas. And yesterday, Indy jumped online.
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  Speaker 2: To tease her nose reveal.
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  Speaker 1: So she has already had the surgery done. I really
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  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting this from Indy. So she actually uploaded a
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  Speaker 1: screenshot from her TikTok. And in it, there was like
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  Speaker 1: a video saying my nose reveal, but she covered the
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  Speaker 1: results with a nose emoji. And she put a link
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  Speaker 1: sending her followers from Instagram across to TikTok. 55,000 people actually.
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  Speaker 2: Clicked on that link.
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  Speaker 1: However, they were very disappointed to find out that they
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  Speaker 1: had to shell out $ 119 in order to see it.
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  Speaker 1: So Indie actually has a subscription channel on TikTok. And
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  Speaker 1: she was only letting her sub see the nose. I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to know if anyone who's listening actually paid 119
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  Speaker 1: for the month, because that seems to be an astronomical
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  Speaker 1: amount of money. Well, I was interested to see how
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  Speaker 1: many subscribers she actually had on her TikTok. And it
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  Speaker 1: was around the 70 mark. And it was interesting because
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  Speaker 1: Influencer Updates AU said she took a screenshot of when
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  Speaker 1: Indie first posted the story teasing the nose job. And
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  Speaker 1: it only appears that 15 people actually paid the $ 119.
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  Speaker 2: That's how.
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  Speaker 1: Much her subscriptions had grown within the first day. Also,
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  Speaker 1: she's made $ 1, 785 off it. So, I mean, not terrible
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  Speaker 1: for a day's work now. Well, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: worth it though because it probably annoyed a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's got something on there that you
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  Speaker 1: can't screenshot because that's when you're done. Like one person
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  Speaker 1: who shares it. Now, in a Facebook community, one user wrote, wow,
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  Speaker 1: is it just me or does this feel ridiculously high?
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  Speaker 1: I guess she may be wanting to make a tactical
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  Speaker 1: move to cash in on people wanting to see the
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  Speaker 1: nose reveal and filter out the trolls. But wow, it's
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  Speaker 1: a good point about the trolls. You kind of think,
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  Speaker 1: fuck you. Well, I was like, there's no way I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to pay for that. So I instead decided to
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  Speaker 1: spend my time looking at her videos very closely.
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  Speaker 2: The most recent one she.
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  Speaker 1: Uploaded because her daughter Sol celebrated her second birthday. And
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  Speaker 1: it's funny because we chatted about it on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Indie said that she'd be changing her daughter's birthday to
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: be the 12th of December rather than the 18th, but
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: it seems like they celebrated on the 18th anyway. I
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: wonder if it was all a bit of a diversion.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Perhaps. For the nose job.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Who knows? But anyway, there was a very quick shot
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: of Indy holding Sol where I could see the nose
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: and it looks beautiful. I saw a screenshot that Influencer
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Update shared and you can basically see it and.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: She looks incredible.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I feel so relieved and happy for her.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: It looks like she was born with the nose.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know I've only seen a quick glance
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: of it, but it actually looks more like her nose
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: than her original nose looked like.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: If that's a thing.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Now coming in in second place is Tammy Hembrough and
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Matt Zukowski's divorce after just seven months of marriage. Now Sophie,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: you put this top 10 together and I am actually
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: quite surprised that this isn't in top place.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Can you explain to the listeners why this is second?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Look, for me, it came down to numbers in terms
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: of downloads. So I don't want to give away what
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the top spot is, but those episodes were our most
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: downloaded episodes. So that shows that listeners cared most about
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: this Other topic.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it was pretty close.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I would say because, I mean, we ended up doing
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: a five part series. I actually put that series together.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: So I feel like I need a PhD in Tammy
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Hember at this point. And those episodes were very highly downloaded.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So probably collectively from all of that content. Tammy's divorce was?
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: For me, I'm pretty confident with what I've chosen as
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the top story of 2025. I want our listeners to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: let us know in our Facebook community if I've got
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: it right. Maybe because everyone expected this to happen, whereas
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: with the top story, it was pretty unexpected. Yeah, that's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a good point. Now, this whirlwind romance captivated the attention
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: of so many followers due to all of the ups
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: and downs. I mean, We saw the engagement in the Maldives.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: That was only after three months of dating long distance,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I preface there. Then there was the Grand Prix cheating scandal,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: as well as the couple constantly unfollowing and following each other.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And in June, after months of speculation, Tammy made the
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: announcement on TikTok saying this.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I have tissues. I'm not about to eff up my makeup.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: Hey, hey.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: So I wanted to finally.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Tell you guys that I am going to be getting
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: a divorce. Oh my gosh, I feel like, oh my gosh,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: this is giving me so much anxiety.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm already crying.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: I know a lot of you have been, I know
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: a lot of you have been, you know, following my
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: journey for years, so I wanted to be open about
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: it and you know I do feel like for me
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: addressing with you guys is sort of therapeutic like it's
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: sort of like the next step for me I guess
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: um it's not I don't want to get into details
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: and I just, you know, I'm not one to try
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: and like bring anyone down.
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: I don't want to.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Like I just want to be sensitive.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: To everyone involved I don't want to.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: Talk about anyone other than myself to be honest did
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: I think this was gonna happen no did I want
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: this no obviously when you marry someone you.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: Like, you do it thinking, oh my god, Farrah. You
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: do it thinking that it's going to be forever. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: I blame no one but myself, to be honest.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I feel like I've made not the best choices when
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: it comes to relationships.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Sophie, I want to know, where were you when you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: heard the news? I feel like it's one of those moments,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: those pivotal moments in someone's life.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I actually cannot remember.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And I say this because I was a couple of
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: weeks postpartum and I think maybe due to some PTSD,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I have blocked.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Out that time in my life. See, I was.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Driving in the car and I don't advocate looking at
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: your phone driving, but a message popped up. A follower
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: sent us the TikTok video. I had to pull over
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to have a look at it. I had my son
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in the back of the car. My husband had just
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: gone to Sydney. So I was looking after my son
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: for three nights by myself. I was dropping my son
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: off at my mom and dad's house to babysit while
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I went to a baby shower. And in the midst
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of it all, I was like, I need to screenshot
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: this and upload it to Outspoken. And I'm glad I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: did because that video went off on our platform. People
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to this day still message us thinking that we're Tammy
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: because of that video. There must be someone on dating
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: apps who is pretending to be Tammy because there's all
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: these old men who are like, baby, why won't you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: respond to me?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Why won't you meet up with me in person?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: In an interview on Jaday Twinchy and Lucky Ricky's podcast,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: she mentioned that there is a guy who who is
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: being catfished by someone pretending to be her. So she's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: aware of it, which would be really awkward. Anyway, back
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to the divorce announcement. Tammy said that she never wanted
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: or expected to break up with Matt and thought that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: their marriage would last forever. But she conceded that there
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: was no other option but to divorce Tammy also revealed
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that she was currently in therapy and said that she
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: realizes she has a lot of growing to do. Now,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a few hours after Tammy's announcement, Matt posted his own
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: statement to his Instagram story. He wrote, it is with
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a heavy heart that I share that Tammy and I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: have decided to separate. Both of us have struggled with
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: making this decision.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: However, we need to do what is.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Right for ourselves and her three children. This wasn't a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: decision we took lightly. Our time together will always be
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: cherished and never forgotten. We appreciate everyone's support and space
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: at this time as we navigate the split. I find
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: it quite funny that they said we appreciate the space
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: because I don't think anyone.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Gave them space. No, no one gave them space. I mean,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: we definitely didn't.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, it was great timing to release our
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: five-part WNBRO series off the back of it. Now, I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: want to know, Sophie, who do you think won the breakup? Well,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: even though Matt was really painted as the villain throughout
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: this relationship, I think that the public sentiment really started
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to turn and people started to.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Sympathize with him.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: That didn't happen instantly though, because I think it was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a day after they went public with the divorce. Matt
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: was spotted out at an NFL event with Taylor Little,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a blonde journalist who looked a lot like Tammy Hembrough.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: People were like, we knew it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: You know, people were thinking that he cheated, but the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: tide definitely has turned. I think a big part of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that was the fact that Tammy was spotted very early
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: on as well. with AFL heartthrob Bailey Smith. That relationship,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: as we have documented very closely on this podcast, fizzled out. Yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it was quite a crushing blow for Tammy because they
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: were papped, I believe, in August. So they were spotted
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: kissing and holding hands at a Gold Coast venue and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: then papped together.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And then I think.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Two weeks later they both shared that they were out
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: at dinner together on Instagram. Well, they weren't Instagram official
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and everyone was like, oh, my God, so she's coming
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to the Brownlow.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of whispers.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Well, they weren't Instagram official as such. They just shared
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that they were at dinner together.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but his hand was on her leg. Yeah, it
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: was a lot.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, people assumed, oh, my God, that means Tammy
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Hembrough is coming to the Brownlow. But in a very
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: crushing blow ahead of Football's Night of Nights, Bailey told
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the Kyle and Jackie O Show that he and Tammy were–
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: just mates and he would not be bringing her as
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to bore her with footy talk. What
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: an ultimate burn there.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I felt so bad for Tammy in that moment. But
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: since then, she has been spotted getting quite cozy with
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the head of her management company. That was at a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: fast fashion event. Then she's gone completely MIA. She's gone
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and filmed for this reality show called Shark, but she's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: back online. She's already been causing a stirp.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: pre-Christmas.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: There were rumors that she was with another guy. He
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: ended up being her actual manager, who was also a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: part of this management company. Well, the thing is, I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: think that people have seen Tammy's behavior as being, well,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: deemed her behavior as being attention-seeking because shortly after her divorce,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: she also posted a string of videos alongside her baby daddy,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Rhys Hawkins, and people thought it was a bit a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: bit unfair because he'd recently got into a relationship with
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Liv Kelly, which has subsequently gone to shit. Liv Kelly's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: now back with her ex, Jamara Ooglehagen. So it's all
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: very messy. I think we actually need to draw up
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: one of those like family trees of all of the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: relationships that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Involve Tammy Hembrough and her exes. Like it would be,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: this is influencer web really.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It's quite interesting because initially Matt said that he wasn't
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: going to touch on the divorce or anything to do
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: with Tammy and But as soon as the Bailey Smith
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: news went public, he backtracked and he suddenly started talking
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: about how the relationship impacted his mental health and how
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he felt about it all. And I think people appreciated
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: him being so open and honest about it. And he
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: started to kind of have this puppy dog energy about him.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it started to win us over. It'll be
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: interesting to see how he goes next year. I wonder
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: if he might fade into obscurity a little bit. Well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: after seeing how many downloads they get on their podcast,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like that might be a thing. Now, coming
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in in top spot, drumroll, Sophie, is the cancellation of
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: TikToker Anna Paul. So in February, the beloved TikToker and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: OnlyFans creator's reputation was in tatters following explosive claims made
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: by her former friend and fellow creator, Michaela Tester. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this bust-up dominated millennial and Gen Zers for you pages
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: for months, with the level of the scandal being compared
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: to the 2019 Tati Westbrook and James Charles drama. Now,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the drama was first ignited when Anna told her followers
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: she would be randomly gifting cash rewards to new subscribers
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: who signed up to her OnlyFans account. This is where
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Michaela Testa entered the chat. She slammed her former friend
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: on Instagram saying, accusing her of running an illegal lottery
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and taking advantage of children. She then proceeded.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: To unfollow her.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Now, this came as a real shock to the public
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: because despite Michaela breaking up with Anna's brother at a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: several years earlier, the women still seem to be on
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: good terms with each other. Yeah, I remember being surprised
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: because they were still leaving pretty nice comments on each
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: other's videos. Now, things escalated further when Michaela uploaded an
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: eight-minute video making explosive claims about her former friend. So,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Michaela called Anna calculated, manipulative, and evil and alleged the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: popular TikToker doesn't care about her fans. She told a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: story about an encounter Anna had with a fan claiming
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that she called the fan annoying and gross and said
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that she didn't want to hug her because she was, quote,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: fat and, quote, sweaty. Michaela also accused her of lying
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: about her upbringing. So a big part of Anna's appeal
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: was the fact that she had this.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Rags to riches story.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: However, according to Michaela, Anna allegedly grew up in an
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: upper middle class family. Michaela also made some very big
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: accusations about her ex-boyfriend Addis Paul, which we will go
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: into in a second. But for almost a week, it
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: was radio silence from the Paul camp until Anna uploaded
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: her own eight minute TikTok declaring she felt broke growing up.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some of what she said.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: The second one is that I lie about growing up broke. Now,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I do not lie about the fact that I grew
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: up broke. When I say I grew up broke, that
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: is my experience. That is how I felt. When I
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: can hear my parents talking in the kitchen that the
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: budget for the groceries that week is $ 30, it makes
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: me feel broke. When we can't afford school uniforms, it
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: makes me feel broke. When I'm 11, when I'm 10,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: and all my friends can afford something and my parents can't,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: it makes me feel broke. When they say, oh, I
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: don't know how we're going to afford rent next week,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that makes me scared and makes me feel broke. That
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: does not mean that I was the most broke person
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: on earth. There are definitely people in way worse situations
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: than me, but that does not mean that I'm lying
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: about the fact that I felt broke during those times.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: While this story was very serious, it was pretty funny
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: because DJs began remixing Anna Paul's I Felt Broke line
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: into songs and it became this trending sound on TikTok
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: with users miming to it. I mean, you can see
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: why it got such a big reaction because she was
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: essentially saying that being poor is a mindset.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: It was just ridiculous.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Now in the video, Anna also denied calling a fan fat,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: but she actually seemed to land herself in more hot
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: water saying this.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: The first thing I want to address is that apparently
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: in 2021, a fan came up to me and we hugged.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And after she walked away, I said, oh my God,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: she was so fat and sweaty. Now, I do not
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: call my fans fat. That is not who I am.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: That is not what I stand for. That's not what
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I've ever stood for. But you guys know me, surely.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: That's not what I stand for.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: Sweaty, however.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I may have called her sweaty because when somebody is
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: wet and they touch you and then they leave and
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: when you're with your best friend and you are now
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: wet because of them, you may say, I am now wet. Again,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: this was four years ago, but that may have happened.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: And I also know that people would have hugged me,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: walked away and said, Anna Paul was sweaty. That does
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: not make them a bad person. That's just them pointing
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: out that after two people touch, they are now sweaty
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: or wet.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she definitely dug a deeper hole for herself, declaring
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that after her meet and greet, she had to wipe
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: herself down with wet wipes to get rid of the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: BO smell from fans. Like, you know, way to make
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it worse. Yeah. Now this drama was taken up a
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: notch when Michaela dropped a three-part tell-all podcast about the polls.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to downplay how huge the first
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: drop of Michaela's podcast was. This was all over TikTok
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and people were posting about the snacks that they were
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: preparing to eat in front of it. It felt like
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: this was this real moment that everyone.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Was tuning in for at the same time.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and collectively, the episodes went for six hours and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: we covered them in depth, but let's quickly run through
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: some of the main takeaways. So episode one was incredibly explosive.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: In it, Michaela provided receipts proving Anna and Addis didn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: grow up poor, presenting photos of them growing up in
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a waterfront home and wearing designer clothes. She also alleged
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that Anna fat shamed her own beloved ex-boyfriend, Glenn Thompson.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: There were also claims that Anna and Attis had a
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: weird dynamic and that he shot her OnlyFans content. Michaela
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: also claims that she was financially abused by Attis Paul
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: with him taking a 50% cut as her manager for
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: doing very minimal work. She also then made very chilling
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: allegations about domestic and emotional abuse at the hands of Addis,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: which for legal reasons we cannot go into. She did
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: speak about an incident where Addis allegedly held a knife
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to his own throat and threatened to harm himself if
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: she left him. They're all very chilling allegations, weren't they?
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: She also alleged that Addis tried to silence his ex-girlfriend,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Alice Patterson, who spoke out about him in 2021, alleging
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: he took advantage of her She was 13 at the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: time when they were dating and he was 16. Now,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the smoking gun was an unedited version of the Paul's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: statement about the incident at the time, where Addis joked
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that for most of their relationship, he barely thought that
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: she was hot. It also showed that Anna was aware
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of a fake cease and desist letter that they previously
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: denied having any involvement in. And it also showed her
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: admitting to driving to Alice's house to confront her.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And if those allegations weren't explosive enough in episode two,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: TikTok it girl Sofa Dofa was dragged into the controversy
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: with Michaela accusing Anna of making derogatory comments about her
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: appearance and social media content. So according to Michaela, Anna
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: would allegedly comment on Sofa Dofa's supposed close set eyes. Now,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Sofa wasn't the only influencer in the firing line. Michaela
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: claimed that Anna and Addis would regularly make fun of
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: TikToker Jack Cooper and who was an Anna Paul Super fan.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: She also allegedly made derogatory comments about Isabel Clark. Michaela
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: also accused Anna of mistreating her pet birds, alleging the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: birds were kept in their cages and only let out
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to film content. In the final installment of Michaela's podcast,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: she spilt the tea on Anna's relationship with her new boyfriend,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Amrik Urbane. She alleged that Amrik's parents owned the stables
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: where Anna's horse was kept. and that the two met
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: whilst he was working at the stables. Now, Michaela alleges
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  Speaker 1: that emotional cheating took place as Anna was still with
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  Speaker 1: her long-term boyfriend, Glenn, at the time. She also used
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  Speaker 1: this episode to champion the voices of Addis' other alleged victims. Now,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: at this point, everyone was waiting for a comment from
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  Speaker 1: Team Paul, and Anna and Addis broke the internet when
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  Speaker 1: they responded to Michaela's podcast allegations bringing apparent receipts of
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  Speaker 1: their own. Yeah, Addis came out swinging in a written statement.
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  Speaker 1: He accused Michaela of using their toxic relationship as a
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  Speaker 1: weapon to destroy his sister and assume her life, and
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  Speaker 1: also said she was setting out to be Australia's biggest influencer.
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  Speaker 1: He did then take some accountability, saying some of the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: stories Michaela told about him were true, whilst others were
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  Speaker 1: absurdly exaggerated. Now, Anna also responded in a lengthy 26-minute
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  Speaker 1: video entitled Enough Is Enough, In it, she denied the
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  Speaker 1: long list of supposed lies Michaela aired on her podcast,
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  Speaker 1: basically refuting every claim that she made. She also tried
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to assassinate Michaela's character and claimed she wanted to show
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: people how she actually treated Michaela during their friendship and
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  Speaker 1: did so by sharing a screenshot discussing Michaela's schizophrenia.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting that.
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  Speaker 1: The top story of 2025 was the cancellation of Anna Paul,
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  Speaker 1: yet I have felt the tide is turning in terms
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of people getting over this witch hunt against influencers. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: think particularly Indy Clinton has shifted the narrative and said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: hang on, influencers are people too. I get trolled, you know,
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  Speaker 1: unmasking the trolls. I think there has been this shift
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  Speaker 1: and people.
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  Speaker 2: Are a bit more empathetic to influencers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that being said, I think that these claims
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  Speaker 1: that Michaela made were so serious in nature that I'm
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: so glad that people did take notice. But in saying that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we say she was cancelled. Okay, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's had a very tough year. But in saying that,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: she hardly lost any followers. She, you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: her skincare company, Pauly, has taken a hit, but she's
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: still online. She's still sharing content. She's still you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: traveling around the world, living a very glamorous life. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I think that in 2026, we'll see a bit of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a bigger return from her. It will be interesting to
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: see what happens. That is where we are going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: leave things. What a huge year it has been.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to have a.
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  Speaker 1: Crystal ball and see what the top stories are going
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  Speaker 1: to be next year. It's very wild to see what can.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Happen in a year.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Well, we are going to be making some predictions about
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: what is going to happen in the influencer space in 2026.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't wait to share those with you very soon.
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  Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
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  Speaker 1: Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to
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  Speaker 1: elders past and present.