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Snacks We Mourn, Tears We Shed ... and a Tiny Tenant With Big Bills · Rik and that Michele Chick

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  Welcome to Rick and that Michelle chick.
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  I'm that Michelle chick. And I'm Rick with my spiffy new
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  haircut. Yeah, looking sharp.
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  No spike, no spikes today yeah, this is this is what it normally
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  looks like. Normally I have it spike because
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  the reason why I spike is because the cow licks in the
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  back. So and yeah, so Nope, this is
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  what it looks like. You know, normally on a weekend
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  I'll have my ball cap on, but. Well, it looks good.
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  It looks like it's spiked but also I don't have my glasses on
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  so my my vision is getting worse so I might not be a good judge
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  of well. It's just, it's natural.
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  Yeah, it's short to wear. If I put gel in, it will spike.
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  So. It looks good.
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  It looks, it looks nice. I wanted to start off.
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  I ran into someone over the weekend who would stop by the
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  radio station to promote stuff during our morning show, and
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  they said that they listened to our podcast and that it's just
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  like listening to Rick and Michelle on the radio and they
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  like it. And I thought that is a fabulous
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  compliment. Like, that was like, OK, that's
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  super nice. And it made me feel good because
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  sometimes I think you and I both think that this podcast sucks.
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  Well, I'm, well, I'm surprised you didn't have to get your get
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  out your checkbook and write him a check.
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  I mean, I'm surprised he didn't say, oh, by the way, that'll
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  cost you 20 bucks. No, it was super nice.
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  And the person that said it is super nice and genuine, so I
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  know it's a genuine compliment, not just saying right, You know
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  how you run into people and you're like, Oh, yeah.
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  Because remember, because remember in radio, it's like,
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  what's what's the backhanded compliment in radio?
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  Oh yeah, I heard you on the radio.
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  Something like that. Something that's like you.
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  Have the face for radio. Yeah, well, that's a good one
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  too. But normally it's like, Oh yeah,
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  yeah, I've heard you on the radio, but not like excited, not
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  enthusiastic about it, just. Oh yeah, yeah, I've heard you on
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  the radio. Yeah, yeah.
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  So I wanted to start off with that positive, happy accolade
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  and also I am super excited I saw this, the life of a
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  showgirl. Now, there's no release date
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  yet. Like I haven't seen anything.
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  I just saw that she made that announcement, but I haven't seen
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  a release date. Of course you know that I'll be
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  annoyingly talking about it until there is one, so there is
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  that. There's the the pre sale,
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  there's a pre sale going on right now.
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  And then they said that people would get the album by October
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  1st of October. Right, but there there's no like
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  official release date and there's people.
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  Countdown clock right now too. So there's a countdown clock on
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  her website. So is she going to drop this
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  thing? Wait like a like, do a Bieber or
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  Beyoncé and drop this thing sooner than you expect too.
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  That's yeah, that's what everybody is speculating.
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  So anyway, I'm super excited. I'm curious because, you know,
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  she's been in a great relationship for years, so I'm
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  curious what the songs and the album are going to be, you know,
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  because normally she's writing about broken hearts and, you
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  know, that kind of thing. So I'm really curious to see
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  what it's going to be about. Maybe some positivity, maybe
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  that's you know, I mean. She does have positive songs.
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  I did see, I did see that the clip where she's ready to go on
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  the podcast now. I don't know if it was scripted
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  or not, but it was a cute, cute little thing like, oh, your eyes
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  are blue. I like your, I like your
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  pullover or whatever. She does look like she's
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  genuinely in love. There's no doubt about that
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  because she's got that little girlish giggle that had gone on
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  and you know, cuckoo eyes or whatever, gooey eyes or
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  whatever. So and he's and he's of course,
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  I mean, I'm sure. I mean, I don't know, I don't
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  know who, I don't know who traded up in that relationship.
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  I'm going to think he traded up in that relationship.
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  I think he did. I think he did, honestly.
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  Yeah, yeah. I've always, I've always made,
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  yeah, I've always made the joke that one somebody's the ugly 1,
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  yes. Yeah, it's got to be 4060. 4060
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  easily 40 you know, and he's a good and again, he's a good
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  looking dude, but she's Taylor Swift.
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  She's Taylor Swift. Well, I will give you, it's so
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  funny is I will give you a quote from Mr. Dave Edel, who was
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  married to an 11 Sarah Edel. And I don't know if I'm get in
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  trouble for saying this, but I Dave Edel once said, because I
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  know Jack, our buddy Jack was like, Oh my gosh, oh, Sarah Edel
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  is the most beautiful, blah, blah, blah.
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  And Dave Edel looked at Jack and said, Hey, here's the deal.
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  I don't care how beautiful somebody is, there's somebody
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  sick of their. Shit, yeah, that's so true.
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  That's a great, that's a great quote.
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  Is like, I don't care how attractive they, there's
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  somebody out there that's sick of their shit.
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  Which is probably why I love watching the Real Housewives
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  franchises because yeah, these women are beautiful and have
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  money and successful blah blah blah.
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  But there's so many that is, there's shit and.
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  That was that was that was Dave Adam, no matter how beautiful
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  there is somebody because, because you know Jack for for
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  Jack, Sarah Edel's his like. Like dream woman.
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  Is dream woman and Dave's married, married to her.
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  So it's like. And he's like, yeah, that was
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  just a great quote. One day, yeah.
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  You know someone's sick of her shit.
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  That's hilarious. I'll get in trouble for that
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  now, but then I even dropped real names, so I'll get in
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  trouble for that later down the. Road yeah, yes, because my
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  daughter Shayla was like you guys are going to stop using
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  real names and locations you're doxing people but which.
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  Oh, that's a good word. Doxing.
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  Oh, now. OK, Yeah.
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  Which now? So yeah.
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  So now when she comes home and tells me something, then she
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  goes, you can't talk about this on your podcast.
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  Uh huh, you can. So I'm like, great, great.
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  Anyway, OK, well, I was thinking about favorite memory growing
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  up, which was Sunday dinners at my grandparents.
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  And I spent a lot of time with my grandparents, which they
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  definitely were more stable than my parents.
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  Obviously, either my grandma would cook something or everyone
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  would get KFC. So the bucket family meal, you
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  know, with the mashed potatoes, gravy, the coleslaw, the
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  biscuits, everybody would fight over all that.
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  But then sometimes we would get the parfaits as a treat.
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  Do you remember them? Yeah.
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  Of course, course. Like the chocolate, the
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  strawberry was the was the I. Wouldn't my favorite of the
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  parfaits is the Strawberry Shortcake 1?
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  Yes, mine was the strawberry and the chocolate.
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  I couldn't remember the third one if it was.
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  There's a third one. But I think, yeah, for me it was
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  I, I didn't never have the chocolate, but I had the
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  strawberry parfait. Yeah, I mean, I could be wrong.
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  I don't know if the third one's a lemon, I don't remember.
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  So I looked to see if KFC still had them.
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  I mean, obviously they don't, but I was curious because I'm
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  thinking in my mind, I'm gonna go get a parfait from KFC to
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  have that little nostalgia moment.
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  Yeah, but they don't have them and I was super static.
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  I figured they wouldn't have them.
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  I haven't been to KFC in obviously years, but I would
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  really love for them to bring it back.
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  You know, you know how McDonald's brings back the MC
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  Rib for a limited time and everybody goes, everybody goes
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  crazy. I mean, come on, KFC, get on
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  board and bring these back for all of us Gen.
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  Xers that want to relive our childhood eating the little
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  parfaits. So.
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  So what food would you want brought back from your
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  childhood? So there's a restaurant or.
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  Off top of my head, there's three, there's three items that
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  I, I think about #1 my foster mom.
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  Remember we lived on in the, on the grand Round River and we had
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  the Bogan's Oasis, which means I, I lived in a restaurant.
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  So trust me, 33 meals a day were excellent because my mom was my
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  foster mom was an incredible cook, but she made, and This is
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  why it's always been my favorite food.
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  She made the best hamburgers. So, so to me, I and I've never
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  been able to replicate the hamburger ever.
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  Even at home. I'm like, I can't replicate the
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  burger. And then one day, interesting
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  enough, on Megan's electric skillet, I cooked a hamburger
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  and I had never used it before. And I went, Oh my God, there's
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  the taste. And so so it was the.
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  Electric Skillet. My mom had this giant, I didn't
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  realize it for the restaurant, but it was a gigantic electric
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  skillet basically. But I, but I kept trying to
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  grill it or, you know, in a pan, not realizing.
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  And she had, you know, and, and she cleaned the, the electric
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  skillet with his giant brick. It was a charcoal brick that you
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  would buy and you clean the grill with it.
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  So I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a restaurant.
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  It's a restaurant grill, you know, so that's where that taste
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  came from. So that the hamburger being
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  number one and then for some reason high school lunch or
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  junior high or elementary school, there was something
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  called I, I don't, I, I want to say it's Sally Lung bread.
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  It's Sally Lung or Sally Lung bread, which was kind of a, it
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  was kind of a bread that was just absolutely delicious.
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  It was a, it was, it was definitely a, a sugary bread.
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  Have you ever heard of that at all?
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  No, there's. Some sugar on top.
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  It's a bread. It's a bread, but it's it's
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  called, it's called Sally. I've looked it up and I think it
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  is Sally Lunn bread. I've never.
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  Made it actual brand or just a recipe?
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  It's a recipe. It's a recipe and I've never
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  tried to duplicate it. But for me, if you're talking
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  about school lunches, that Sally Lunn bread, I always loved
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  having that. And then my final thing that I'd
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  love to go back in time, I've tried to replicate it.
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  I did not have the recipe, but my foster mom also made this
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  thing called the Impossible pie. So the first slave was a Graham
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  cracker crust, then it was like a layer of cream cheese, then a
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  layer of pistachio, then a layer of whipped cream, and then you
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  had almonds on top. And it was called the the pot.
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  She called it the impossible pie.
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  I've seen variations of it. So those for me, those are the
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  three things that that if I could go back in time, you know,
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  and if you're talking fast food, the what's the one that DLT,
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  which was the hot and cold side. Oh.
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  Yes. Yeah, that was my I, I think.
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  I think at one sitting, at one sitting.
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  I ate three of those when I was like 1819 years old.
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  But yes, it had the hot and of course the environment killing
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  Styrofoam. Yes, yeah, yeah.
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  My grandma made homemade buttermilk pancakes, which no
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  one, we have the recipe, thank goodness, but no one has been
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  able to replicate except for my son Jackson.
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  He has gotten the closest to the texture, the taste, and she
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  would cook them in lard. And so I think that's one of the
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  key things is actually, yes, is finding that lard and cooking
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  them in that. So yeah.
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  Yeah, I remember that. My foster mom at the restaurant
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  had a, had a, she had a. The grease that was leftover was
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  always in this. This bacon grease.
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  Thing and then she had lard so that's a that's a good point on
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  that makes food taste so much better because she did apple
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  pie. She did all these different
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  things that you cook and the food was so good.
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  Oh good. It's good to know it was all
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  fattening and gonna kill you. But but but it was but it was
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  delicious. There's yeah, I was.
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  Yeah, there was. It was.
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  The food was always good. And then have you ever?
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  So also my mom would make sourdough pancakes.
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  Speaking of power pancakes, sourdough pancakes and beer
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  pancakes. No, but that the sourdough.
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  I love a sourdough bread. I am a sucker.
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  So that, well, try that, yeah, try that someday with some
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  pancakes. I guess it's pretty good.
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  And then I thought I was, I thought I was grown up because
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  my mom would make beer, beer pancakes.
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  And of course, the beer burns out of the pancake it.
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  Cooks out. Cooks out of it, but it's, but
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  it's delicious. And then interesting enough, my
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  foster sister, she was 1918, nineteen years old at the time.
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  And I, of course, was 6 or 7. But she would take a shower and
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  she'd take a can of beer into the shower.
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  And not to drink it, believe it or not, not to drink it, but to
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  wash your hair with the can of beer.
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  Yeah. I've never heard of that.
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  Yeah, Wash. Yeah, something in the 70s or
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  80s, early, late 70s, early 80s. But she'd take that.
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  Maybe she was drinking it, but I might, you know.
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  But she was no, she was washing her hair with the beer, and I
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  thought that was always interesting.
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  Well, I just discovered a couple years ago that there is a thing
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  called the shower beer where people take a beer into the
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  shower to drink and I did not know that until a few years ago.
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  Like, I've heard of that too. Yeah, I've heard of that too.
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  And I and I asked my foster sister, Kathy about the beer and
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  the hair because yeah, unless you go and wash your hair with
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  them like what the, you know, did.
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  It work. I, I, hey, she looks great.
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  You know, she's, she's 70, she's what, 70 some years old looks at
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  she looks absolutely amazing. So maybe it worked when she was
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  1819 years old. Yeah, maybe.
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  Well, she's a I've already talked about it on the podcast.
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  She's a spinning image of my foster mother.
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  Yeah. So I have a special affinity
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  torture because she's like a living replica and and the way
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  she talks or mannerisms, you know, yeah.
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  So so yes, I, I was thinking about it.
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  I, I had gone to Boise a, a couple weeks ago and I want to
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  stop by, they live in Baker City.
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  I want to stop by and say hi to Kathy.
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  But they were, they were out of town.
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  But I, as I was driving, you know, you have your thoughts to
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  yourself. And I'm like, oh, I, I was like
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  trying to think about how much I, how much I love Kathy because
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  I, I love my foster family. I absolutely do.
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  But, but she is prominently in the book a lot because she had
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  such a big impact on me when I was a little kid.
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  So. Right.
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  Yeah, and you can get Rick's book on Amazon.
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  Where else can we get your book? Oh, Amazon, it's on, it's on
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  Spotify. If you're listening to podcasts
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  on Spotify, you can actually pull it up.
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  Tales from the it's tales from the Rivers foster kids journey.
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  It's a quick read, hour and a half, as my son said, it's an
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  hour and a half, reads 8090 pages and you'll breeze right
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  through it and all these great stories, but you already hear on
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  the podcast anyway. But I didn't talk about foods or
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  any of those those different. Things.
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  Oh, you didn't in the book. No, no, none of that stuff.
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  Oh, I do recall too. So now, when my dad came and got
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  us again in fifth grade, my dad was a transmission mechanic and
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  my stepmom worked for the States.
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  So they were often late from work.
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  Like they'd get home at 6:00 or 7:00 at night.
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  And for us kids, they would get this gigantic bag of burgers
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  from this place called the Riverside Tavern.
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  And they were the best burgers, you know, because my dad always
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  has to be at the bar. I mean, he just always has to be
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  at the bar. So.
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  But a bag of burgers? All right, I watched a movie
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  over the weekend, so let's switch gears.
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  I'm going to switch gears on you.
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  And I bawled on and off throughout this movie and I
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  didn't expect it. OK.
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  So the movie is called Bob Trevino likes it.
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  It's on Hulu, and it's starring John Leguizamo and Barbie
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  Ferraria. I hopefully I didn't butcher her
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  last name. I apologize if I did.
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  So I'll. I'll read you the little
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  synopsis. The film follows Lily Trevino, a
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  young woman who, after being abandoned by her father, forms
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  an unexpected online friendship with a man, Bob Trevino, who
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  shares her father's name. The film explores things themes
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  of family, connection and healing through an unlikely bond
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  between Lily and Bob. The film is inspired by a real
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  life friendship that the writer had and the film also won two
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  awards of the South by Southwest Film Festival.
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  Now I had I had seen John Leguizamo on The View a while
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  back promoting this movie and I only knew a little bit about it.
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  I didn't, I didn't think it was going to make me like cry all
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  throughout the movie. But I think it really hit home
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  with me because the relationship Lily has with her father that
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  abandons her because that relationship is based on what he
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  wants and needs, you know, like what he can get from Lily.
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  So there's a scene, I don't want to give too much away.
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  There's a scene where after he had not been talking to her for
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  a long time, he just like calls her up and he's acting like
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  nothing has happened. And then he wants to meet her.
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  And then when they meet, he pulls out this list and it has
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  everything he has spent on her, including like diapers and baby
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  food. And I'm.
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  And I think, you know, that's part of where the movie really
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  hit home with me is because I've had like, similar experiences
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  with a parent where they would point out how much I would cost
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  to raise. And now I owe them.
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  That's crazy. And so, yeah, I again, I did not
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  expect to be like crying on and off throughout this movie.
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  But it really just that relationship between Lily and
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  the father that abandons her and just how he treats her is just,
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  I think was so similar to a lot of the things that happened to
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  me growing up that that's really what connected me to this movie.
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  It's a great movie I think, so you should watch it.
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  I don't understand. Like I, you make up a great,
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  great point. Logan and I had this
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  conversation all the time because he's always like, why'd
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  you bring me into this world? Because he's so angry at the
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  world these days. And I'm like, well, we, we as
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  parents have uncondition. Or should we as parents should
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  have unconditional love for our children?
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  And so it always amazes me when, like you said, someone has a
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  running tally or well, I did, I did this for you or I did that
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  for you and you owe me. And I've just never understood.
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  And even, it's funny, even when someone asks for a loan, why
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  don't before you even do that, why don't you just ask for the
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  loan? Great.
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  I I like you. Let's say your dad, let's say
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  your dad approached you and I know he's passed away, but let's
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  say he approached you and said, hey, Michelle, can I borrow
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  $1000? I'd much rather have somebody
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  approach me about borrowing $1000 than going, hey, I got a
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  question for you. But before I ask, duh, duh, duh,
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  duh, duh, duh. Then then I'm like, I don't that
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  doesn't make I'll probably do it, but that does not make me I
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  don't want terrorism. What people have to to do that
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  If that makes. Sense like I would want to not
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  give you the money now. Now I would be like, no, I'm not
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  giving you the money. Pulled out a list yes of what
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  what you've done for me or what I owed you then and and you
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  can't you can't do that to children.
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  I mean, it's like, oh, I I put a roof over your head for 18
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  years. Those kind of yeah, that was
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  kind of the the thing too about the Wallaces.
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  We were that was the difference is she never.
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  And that's that's and I even talk about it in the book or
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  more. So one of the things she said to
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  me was she literally said nobody wanted you.
• 18:38
  You know, nobody wanted you. That's why you're here.
• 18:42
  And you know how quick my quick win.
• 18:44
  I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah, I was wanted, but the state, the state
• 18:49
  didn't allow my my foster parents to adopt me because of
• 18:52
  their age. So but I but me defiance as
• 18:55
  always when she said that to my face, I'm like, no, I'm loved.
• 18:59
  I don't know. I don't know what you're talking
• 19:01
  about because I because I was so loved by my foster parents.
• 19:05
  That was a that that that was a good shield that I had the bet
• 19:08
  and and and Karen and Karen every single day said, you're an
• 19:12
  arrogant child. You're never going to make it in
• 19:14
  life. You're never going to be
• 19:15
  successful. You know, you're a smart ass.
• 19:18
  You're smug. You're, you're, you know, and I,
• 19:20
  and I do realize in my youth I did use, it's hard to describe.
• 19:25
  So for me, when we talk about comedy or humor, especially in
• 19:30
  my radio career, I'm a huge fan of self deprecating humor, which
• 19:35
  I discovered, which I discovered through Bob Hope, which I
• 19:38
  thought was always amazing. Bob Hope because he would always
• 19:41
  make fun of himself, not the audience.
• 19:43
  The audience is brilliant and so there's two ways you can tackle
• 19:47
  being an on air talent is 1 is that I'm I'm the best there is
• 19:50
  and you're just lucky to be listening to me.
• 19:53
  And we know those people. Well, yeah, we know those people
• 19:56
  or the self deprecating humor like, Oh my God, we're just
• 19:58
  lucky to have this podcast. We're just lucky to be.
• 20:01
  I can't believe you're even listening.
• 20:02
  And and I'm so appreciative of that.
• 20:04
  So, but when I was younger in, in my youth, there was, there
• 20:07
  was no doubt. I was incredibly, I, I would
• 20:10
  never say arrogant, but I, I definitely use it as a shield
• 20:13
  of, of confidence. Trying to protect myself in
• 20:16
  those in those situations. So when so when Misses Wallace
• 20:19
  would say that you're not going, you're not going to be
• 20:21
  successful. I immediately put the shield up
• 20:23
  like, yes, I am. I'm going to I'm going to make
• 20:27
  something of myself. I'm going to be somebody and and
• 20:31
  it's and a kid should never have to do that.
• 20:34
  No, I mean, I was told similar things.
• 20:36
  You know, you're not going to amount to anything.
• 20:39
  You're just like your dad. I wish I had never had you.
• 20:42
  And and that like Dings up yourself.
• 20:46
  You can't come back from that. You cannot come back from that.
• 20:49
  There is not enough. I love you ever to make up for
• 20:53
  something like that, and once I had my children, it never once
• 20:58
  crossed my mind, no matter how much they like get on your
• 21:02
  nerves to ever ever. You know, kids could be little
• 21:05
  shits to ever say that. Like never ever did that even
• 21:10
  enter my mind that I would say that to these children that I
• 21:15
  love unconditionally. Like how could you?
• 21:17
  Which yes, again, I would like you.
• 21:20
  I was a shit, you know, growing up, but still you're the parent.
• 21:25
  You need to be the bigger person and don't say those kind of
• 21:28
  things to your children. And I think it gives you more
• 21:33
  clarity after you have your own kids to to think how how could
• 21:39
  you say that to a child? Now that I have my own children?
• 21:42
  How could you do that? Like it, it blows my mind.
• 21:46
  I mean. You destroy, well, you destroy
• 21:48
  their psych. Well, you destroy, you destroy
• 21:51
  anything and everything, you know, because, because I mean
• 21:53
  that again, the mind's not fully developed until you're like, you
• 21:56
  know, until you're an adult. So these are these, these words
• 21:59
  are so hurtful and people don't realize it and, and they think
• 22:02
  that they can take it back or they try to take it back later
• 22:05
  in life. And I mean, the nice thing is, I
• 22:07
  guess sometimes you can, you can reconcile those particular
• 22:10
  situations. And, and a lot of people, and I,
• 22:12
  and I talk extensively about this is a lot of people have
• 22:16
  always asked me like, why don't you blame your biological
• 22:18
  parents? Now I do have abandonment issues
• 22:21
  because of, of going into the state, you know, they couldn't
• 22:24
  take care of us. That that is plain and simple.
• 22:26
  So yes, not in my mind not being worthy or those things do cross
• 22:32
  my mind, but my real parents, as awful as the situation was, I've
• 22:37
  always said never, never abused me.
• 22:39
  So my real parents and then my foster parents of course, love
• 22:41
  me unconditionally. So, but but when I was thrust
• 22:44
  into the household where that was not, that fear was the rule
• 22:48
  of the day. And, and you're not, you're not
• 22:51
  worthy of existing on this planet.
• 22:54
  And you don't, you don't. I, I still to this day, the
• 22:57
  craziest thing for me and I, I, I don't know how to combat it.
• 23:02
  At 55 years old, I will sit in a meeting, in a meeting and
• 23:06
  they'll go and they'll go, well, here's here and, and, and our
• 23:09
  company, we have a rancor. I've talked about this stupid
• 23:11
  rancor that we've got for the, the articles we write.
• 23:14
  And they'll go, oh, well, this week so and so is number 1.
• 23:17
  And if I'm not #1 it has nothing to do with them, has nothing to
• 23:21
  do with anybody. But internally I'm like, well,
• 23:23
  you're a piece of shit, Rick. So because I'm not number one,
• 23:27
  right? It's not.
• 23:27
  And then they're like, and they're always like, oh, you're
• 23:29
  so competitive, Rick, you're so competitive.
• 23:30
  No, you do not understand that. I feel when I'm in that meeting,
• 23:36
  you don't have to say anything to me.
• 23:37
  I'm already beating myself up inside about what a piece of
• 23:40
  shit I am and and why, why aren't you #1 why didn't you?
• 23:43
  Why didn't it's a luck of the draw, this ranker that we do.
• 23:46
  It's you write these articles every day and it's a luck of the
• 23:49
  draw, you know, and you could be writing the best articles of
• 23:51
  your career or the best articles of all.
• 23:54
  You're still may not rank, you know, but my brain goes, oh, you
• 23:57
  piece of shit, and and and even and interesting enough, I'm not
• 24:02
  oh, I'm going to drop. So OK, now I'm going to drop.
• 24:04
  I forgot. We did.
• 24:05
  We talk about, we did. We talk about ratings, we talked
• 24:08
  about. How I think we did, yes and
• 24:10
  back. In the day how we were judged.
• 24:11
  But here's the craziness. I'm going to give you a crazy
• 24:14
  story and and have I heard this story?
• 24:17
  You have not heard this story. Oh gosh.
• 24:19
  But we had a general manager that when they were released
• 24:23
  would release the numbers. Everybody got to be in the room
• 24:29
  when they released the numbers. So if you took a fucking, I'm
• 24:32
  going to be cursed right now. If you took a fucking dive, you
• 24:36
  were in the room with people that number one had no business
• 24:41
  running radio stations or know anything about programming radio
• 24:45
  stations. And so initially, have you ever,
• 24:48
  ever experienced that where you're in A and they're like,
• 24:50
  oh, let's take it. And I was like, I always felt
• 24:52
  that the programmers should see the numbers first.
• 24:57
  Right, which is usually what happened when I worked at any of
• 25:01
  the radio stations. Lucky I never got pulled in.
• 25:05
  Oh well, lucky you. I've been in several.
• 25:07
  I've been several. I've been in several where
• 25:09
  literally you've got a part timer going.
• 25:12
  Well, what the fuck are we going to do?
• 25:13
  What? What the fuck?
• 25:14
  Are you to the back of the book? What the hell did you come from,
• 25:18
  right? I mean, I've had, I've had
• 25:20
  salespeople, the I've had salespeople right there.
• 25:23
  The numbers come out. You're in shock, you've gone for
• 25:27
  let's let's say you've gone from #1 and you're now dead last.
• 25:30
  You're, you're just trying to, you're trying to analyze it.
• 25:33
  And then, and then you have a, a salesperson go, I don't know
• 25:36
  what I'm going to sell now It's like, and that's happened to me,
• 25:39
  that's happened to me. And so if you ever want to feel
• 25:40
  the smallest person on the planet, these are the kind of
• 25:44
  things that So it radio, as much as I love radio, it has a real
• 25:49
  dark underbelly, which. Is probably why we love it.
• 25:53
  That's. Probably, I don't know about
• 25:54
  that, but it's but it's amazing how many people think, oh,
• 25:57
  Rick's just competitive. He's just competitive because
• 26:00
  that's how people took it. And I'm like no.
• 26:03
  You had to fight for your life, especially in regards to
• 26:06
  ratings, because like you said, if you dropped from #1 to #12
• 26:11
  like, you would be gone the next day.
• 26:13
  I mean, that's the reality of radio.
• 26:15
  So it's so funny when we talk about KFFMK, FM was my very
• 26:19
  first program director job. I 100% of acknowledged I was 28
• 26:23
  years old and and I I blew that that very first gig.
• 26:28
  But here's the craziness about it.
• 26:30
  It's the station still had a 33 share women 2554.
• 26:35
  Anybody would right it it it it was not.
• 26:38
  It isn't. Even a thing anymore.
• 26:40
  Right. But but for its time, one O 7
• 26:43
  was still even after that big fall.
• 26:46
  And never, ever we lost. Remember Michelle, we lost the
• 26:48
  entire staff. Oh yeah.
• 26:50
  Through that, through that 10 months, so it still was third in
• 26:54
  the market, but because it wasn't number one, I was blamed
• 26:59
  for that. Oh, of course.
• 27:01
  So so it's so it's kind of it's another unhealthy.
• 27:04
  Hey, it's another unhealthy relationship.
• 27:06
  Yeah, which we're which we're awesome at, Michelle, unhealthy
• 27:10
  relationships. Which I think we're drawn to.
• 27:13
  It's like it's like home to us. Well, yeah, it's so.
• 27:17
  It's so and it's hard. Familiar and to us and it's
• 27:20
  like. And So what I don't know what
• 27:21
  you have to do, Michelle, is when I'm in those situations, if
• 27:24
  I'm in a meeting, it has nothing to do with me.
• 27:26
  I have to continually now I don't say anything to anybody,
• 27:29
  but I have to remind myself, like, hold on.
• 27:31
  In your mind. I have to sit there and I have
• 27:34
  to reconcile it in my mind and like, no, that's you know, it's
• 27:37
  it's I, it's so hard to describe when I'm asked to do, if I'm
• 27:42
  asked to do a radio spot or radio commercial with our voice
• 27:45
  and they decide they want somebody else's voice
• 27:47
  internally, I go, oh, you piece of shit you're saying.
• 27:50
  Like, why didn't they want me, right?
• 27:52
  I'm horrible because obviously they change because I'm not good
• 27:55
  enough. Yes.
• 27:57
  Because we're still living from childhood.
• 27:59
  Yeah. Isn't that amazing?
• 28:00
  We're 57 years old and we still live in childhood.
• 28:03
  Now. The client may have picked it
• 28:05
  for no other reason, like, oh, I just want a female or I want
• 28:08
  somebody else. I mean all these.
• 28:09
  Things nothing to do with you personally, but our.
• 28:11
  Brain goes, oh, you're a piece of crap you deserve to die
• 28:15
  today. Isn't that the most?
• 28:17
  And, and I have to say go, OK, you know, and I and it's hard
• 28:21
  and I'm driving home all day, but people take it, people look
• 28:24
  at it go, oh, he's just competitive.
• 28:26
  He's just competitive. No, it has nothing to do with
• 28:29
  being competitive. It just has I I want to do same
• 28:32
  as you, Michelle. There's a standard because of
• 28:35
  the abuse that we have in our our brain about who we should be
• 28:38
  or what level we should be. At right but it's unattainable
• 28:40
  like. It's.
• 28:41
  Of course, this unattainable unrealistic thing for us.
• 28:47
  And like you said, how, how as 50 some year olds do we break
• 28:51
  that cycle in our minds, regardless of what it is we're
• 28:55
  doing, we're still thinking, is this good enough?
• 28:57
  And that you know. I recognize it, I guess, like
• 28:59
  you said, yeah, it's but but it's so funny is that it stings
• 29:03
  no matter what. I can't, I can't turn it off.
• 29:06
  I can't. I mean, the nice thing at middle
• 29:08
  age or 57 years old is at least I recognize it.
• 29:12
  I recognize it and I can and I, I get over it sooner or quicker,
• 29:17
  but it still stings and I still get upset about it now.
• 29:21
  Now I don't share it with anybody.
• 29:22
  So when I'm in that room and they go well, here with the top
• 29:24
  duh, duh, duh, duh now, but you know, on the but on the flip
• 29:29
  side, I've got a stack as you know me, a stack, you know, you
• 29:34
  name it, I'm employee, you know you.
• 29:37
  We talked about this. So your awards, but I do.
• 29:41
  I've got every but my brain still.
• 29:43
  But that's not good enough. Yeah, the brain goes why it
• 29:46
  wasn't me this time again, you know, but.
• 29:50
  And the companies like Rick, we can't continually only do this
• 29:54
  goddamn word we had to other people.
• 29:57
  Well, it's just, it's just the law of averages.
• 30:00
  The law of averages even from, even from the rating standpoint.
• 30:03
  From the rating standpoint, it's like they, they come up, they
• 30:06
  go. I mean, they go up, they go
• 30:07
  down. It's, you know, don't.
• 30:08
  Always stay number one, you know.
• 30:10
  Because. Music genres, right?
• 30:13
  Music genres become more popular, you know, Top 40
• 30:15
  becomes more popular, country, country.
• 30:17
  But so there's so many factors to it.
• 30:20
  It's not just the on air personalities.
• 30:22
  And it's changed and it's changed too.
• 30:24
  But, but, but still we just, it just zaps us right back to, to
• 30:27
  that teenage years and, and like you said, zaps you back to where
• 30:31
  your mom was saying those very hurtful things.
• 30:33
  And, and it's hard. It's I know now.
• 30:36
  Now I know that you reconciled with your mom for the most part,
• 30:39
  right? For the most part, the problem
• 30:43
  is which her and I got into an argument, this is probably like
• 30:47
  2021. She just can't, you know, take
• 30:52
  responsibility for. I mean, she does to some degree.
• 30:56
  She'll be like, yes, I shouldn't have done that.
• 30:59
  But and there's always like a but to it.
• 31:01
  It's not, yeah, I failed you and that's it.
• 31:06
  Like there's always something attached to it.
• 31:09
  Like, well, you know, I, I your dad wasn't paying child support
• 31:13
  or whatever or whatever. And in my mind, I'm like, well,
• 31:17
  I read about all these kids that had parents that were low
• 31:21
  income, low to middle income, that never knew that their
• 31:26
  parents had money issues. Like their parents kept it from
• 31:29
  them. They still had a fabulous life.
• 31:32
  And in my mind, I'm like, you could have done that.
• 31:35
  You were putting adult problems on us as children and we were
• 31:39
  being used as pawns in between both of my parents growing up,
• 31:43
  which is. The worst?
• 31:44
  Yeah, so it's, I mean, we, I talked to her and we help to
• 31:51
  provide her a place to live, which is really hard for me, but
• 31:56
  it's not why I'm not. I had to come to their
• 31:59
  realization that I'm not ever going to have that fabulous
• 32:04
  mother daughter relationship like I've seen other people have
• 32:08
  some of my other friends that of course I'm envious of.
• 32:11
  And I just came to that realization like if she if she
• 32:15
  can't really, really take responsibility for everything
• 32:19
  that happened to me and my brother growing up, then we
• 32:23
  can't really have a true real relationship.
• 32:26
  Like I'm really guarded about what I tell her when I tell her
• 32:31
  and I don't unfortunately want to spend a lot of time with her,
• 32:34
  which is kind of sad because she is older, but at the same time,
• 32:38
  it it isn't a true relationship. It's just, you know, facade kind
• 32:44
  of relationship. I know what I'm proud of you
• 32:47
  though, because the, you got to get over that mountain or that
• 32:51
  hump. So for me, my, my difference
• 32:54
  with the, with the Missus Wallace is I tried to make
• 32:58
  amends when I was 18 or 19 years old.
• 33:00
  I did try to make amends to some extent or try to serve Olive
• 33:03
  Branch. And then I just, I woke up 1
• 33:06
  morning and when I don't have to forgive anybody for anything and
• 33:10
  I never spoke to them again. And she's passed away and all
• 33:13
  that. So, and I on one hand, I'm like,
• 33:19
  my foster mom did not raise me to be that way.
• 33:22
  So, so pearls of wisdom, you know, pearls wisdom is like,
• 33:26
  you're a little shit, are you? But but, but I but but the
• 33:30
  amazing thing about my foster mom was she was also an eye for
• 33:36
  an eye kind of person too. On the other, I was going to
• 33:38
  say, I think in that situation. She was an eye.
• 33:42
  Yeah. She was an eye for an eye.
• 33:44
  So, so when I so for me, I mean, I'll have, I'll have to live the
• 33:48
  rest of my life knowing that I never reconciled with with her.
• 33:52
  And on one hand, just a little bit of me is like, Oh, I but on
• 33:57
  the other hand, it was liberating to like, you know, I
• 34:00
  don't, I don't. Now I will tell you what I did a
• 34:04
  few years back for my sister Wanda.
• 34:06
  So if you did not notice, I have an adopted sister named Wanda
• 34:09
  and she is Misses Wallace's real daughter, her only daughter.
• 34:14
  She had a daughter and her only daughter.
• 34:17
  And so a few years back she invited me to Spokane, Megan and
• 34:21
  I to Spokane and we a birthday party.
• 34:24
  I think it was the 75th birthday for Rick Wallace, who was
• 34:27
  married to Karen, and so I hadn't seen Rick in 4040 plus
• 34:33
  years or whatever it is. And I did go to the birthday
• 34:35
  party and shocked the shit. Well, yeah.
• 34:41
  They were, I mean, Karen Wallace had passed away, but but they
• 34:44
  shocked the shit out of everybody when I showed up on.
• 34:47
  I have to use those big words, but they those words because it
• 34:49
  has. Yeah.
• 34:51
  And it's like you hadn't. It's OK.
• 34:52
  I already have to mark as explicit because you said fuck,
• 34:55
  so it's. All I know, sorry about that.
• 34:57
  Sorry. Should we go back to just just
• 34:59
  reverse it? No, it's fine.
• 35:01
  I. Really just want to.
• 35:02
  Who we are. No, I really wanted to emphasize
• 35:06
  that that kind of trauma that does does occur.
• 35:10
  And I don't want to sugarcoat when it's those kind of
• 35:12
  traumatic situations when we talk about our parents or we
• 35:15
  talk about things that have happened to us.
• 35:17
  I don't, I don't want to sugarcoat it and and act like,
• 35:20
  oh, it's OK. It's OK because it, you know,
• 35:23
  abuse and trauma and hurting people is not OK.
• 35:27
  No. And I think it really like you
• 35:29
  said, as far as you always wanting to you know, be the
• 35:33
  best, it really explains who we are as people and what drives us
• 35:38
  and how we are and how we function.
• 35:40
  Like our childhoods really do shape and have a lot to do with
• 35:44
  who we are as people. So.
• 35:46
  It's true. Well, actually, truthfully, I'm
• 35:49
  a I'm a slug. I'm I'm one of the laziest
• 35:51
  humans. No, I know people are shocked by
• 35:53
  this. I am if I could be one of the
• 35:55
  laziest humans on the entire planet, I would be if, if I, if
• 35:59
  I was fine, if I, if I I've always if I was suddenly out of
• 36:03
  nowhere, I had a bunch of money, I would I I look at Taylor Swift
• 36:08
  where I look at football players, where I look at movie
• 36:10
  stars. I'm like once I got a 20 million
• 36:12
  pay dollar payday Audi, I feel like traveling the world and
• 36:19
  going to see all these things I had never seen.
• 36:20
  I mean, these are because we grew up poor Michelle.
• 36:22
  So to me, you know, seeing the world or not working is the is
• 36:28
  the dream. It would be the dream.
• 36:30
  So I always laugh when and I laugh my our mark, our good
• 36:34
  buddy Tom Reddick. Remember Tom, rest in peace,
• 36:37
  tom-tom and I used to do mornings many years ago on the
• 36:40
  bull and I remember Tom one time says, oh, well, if I won the
• 36:43
  lottery, I'd show up the next day.
• 36:44
  I'm like, no, you wouldn't like. And he says yes, so I would I'm
• 36:49
  like, oh, I said you. And then you would take one
• 36:51
  order from somebody and quit. Hey, hey Tom, can you do this
• 36:54
  commercial? I'm a multi millionaire.
• 36:56
  No. In my mind, I always thought the
• 37:00
  dream of winning the lottery, especially growing up poor, you
• 37:03
  always have those dreams and fantasies.
• 37:06
  My thought was I was going to buy the radio station, yes, and
• 37:10
  then be the boss of everyone if I won the lottery.
• 37:14
  That was my goal. Right now, now see, now that I,
• 37:18
  that I can, you know, because to me it's like you and I love the
• 37:20
  80s or whatever. So to me it's like, yeah, if I,
• 37:22
  if I had enough money, yeah, I'd buy a radio station and it'd be
• 37:25
  Mr. Mr. Duran Duran, Toto, Genesis and it, you know, all my
• 37:29
  favorite music. And it doesn't have to make any
• 37:31
  money because I'm already a multi billionaire.
• 37:33
  Right. Just like.
• 37:34
  Just like. WKRP and Cincinnati is I got to
• 37:36
  play whatever I want because it's my radio station.
• 37:40
  But but yeah, so we have we have those little dreams like that.
• 37:43
  But yeah, if someone drop I I never understood you, you know,
• 37:46
  I mean, God bless you. They love what?
• 37:49
  But I think we love what we do. I do love what I do.
• 37:53
  I absolutely love radio. I do love radio, so I'm not
• 37:56
  saying I wouldn't continue it, but boy.
• 37:59
  Yourself esteem no wouldn't because you would just go to the
• 38:02
  next job what say you're like a car salesman I know that's a
• 38:06
  horrible analogy yeah or a horrible job for you but if you
• 38:10
  radio was gone there's no radio stations no live DJs and you had
• 38:14
  to go work and you were a car salesman you would still be like
• 38:18
  I'm gonna be the best I'm gonna sell them those cars this month
• 38:21
  it. Is it it?
• 38:22
  I think it's yours. I think it's, it's, it's, it's
• 38:25
  ingrained in there. It's ingrained in there.
• 38:27
  So yeah, there's, yeah. I can't, it's something, it's so
• 38:30
  funny is I can't turn it off. I know Logan called me a couple
• 38:33
  weeks back because radio is going through a turmoil.
• 38:36
  A lot of people are getting laid off and and I'm lucky and I'm
• 38:39
  fortunate to have a radio job, but but it's so funny.
• 38:41
  He's like, Oh well, dad, what are you going?
• 38:43
  What are you going to do? I'm like, I will work.
• 38:46
  He was shocked. He was shocked to hear me say
• 38:49
  that I would go get another job outside a radio.
• 38:52
  And I'm like, well, I, but you know, it's like I don't want to
• 38:58
  do those things. But but I I did think you both
• 39:01
  of both of us had other jobs besides radio.
• 39:04
  Oh yeah, like I was working at 15, so yeah.
• 39:07
  And, and it's hilarious. I got one hilarious story for
• 39:11
  you. So you jog my memory.
• 39:13
  And this is and I and I never tell this story.
• 39:17
  The reason why I don't tell this story is because I feel like
• 39:20
  this is a bragging story. And so it's one of those stories
• 39:23
  that I never tell because it's like, oh what a what an arrogant
• 39:26
  little shit. So, so I will tell the story one
• 39:30
  time and one time only. OK, so here's the deal.
• 39:34
  When I was 16 years old, I could not get a job to save my life.
• 39:39
  I put in a ton of resumes all around Clarkston and Lewiston
• 39:43
  and I couldn't get a job. Finally, my buddy Eric and his
• 39:48
  dad. His dad's name was Bill and he
• 39:51
  was the manager at Pioneer Pies in downtown Lewiston, which is
• 39:55
  kind of like a family restaurant.
• 39:56
  Nice. Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 39:58
  Pioneer Pies. So think of it like Sherry.
• 40:00
  Think of it like a Denny's. You know, it's a, it's a family
• 40:02
  restaurant. Yeah, Yeah.
• 40:05
  So. So he says, well, let me see
• 40:08
  what my dad can do for him. So I get a call and I get a call
• 40:13
  and they're like. Come on in for an interview.
• 40:16
  So I go in for the interview and the manager's name is Steve.
• 40:19
  He looks at me and goes, OK, He goes, yeah.
• 40:21
  Do you have a white shirt? Yep.
• 40:22
  Do you have some black slacks? Yep.
• 40:24
  Do you have some shoes? Yep.
• 40:25
  He's like, all right, well, report on, report on Monday.
• 40:28
  This was this was like a Tuesday of the of a previous week.
• 40:32
  It goes. Report on Monday and you'll
• 40:34
  start and you'll start out as a dishwasher for Pioneer Pies.
• 40:37
  So I said, OK, great. Anyway, I get home that night.
• 40:40
  This at this time, I'm living with the minister and it's my
• 40:43
  senior year of high school. And I get a call that night and
• 40:47
  Steve goes, hey, we need to come in and work.
• 40:50
  Can you come in and dish tonight?
• 40:51
  Just start early. I said, yeah, absolutely.
• 40:54
  So I dished for a couple nights. I dished like Wednesday and
• 40:59
  Thursday nights. Steve came to me and he goes,
• 41:02
  OK, here's the deal. He goes, we're going to put you
• 41:04
  out on the floor to be a busboy and, and I go, why?
• 41:07
  And he goes, well, you're just too fast doing dishes.
• 41:10
  You're just so quick. You make you make the other
• 41:12
  dishes, you look, make the other dishes look pretty bad.
• 41:15
  So he put me out on the floor to be a busboy, right.
• 41:18
  Then, you know, busboy cleans the table and it's, it's
• 41:20
  basically subservient to the to the waiters, to the waitresses.
• 41:24
  There's only waitresses there. So you, you know, get their get
• 41:27
  their table cleaned as quick as possible, get people moved in
• 41:29
  and out. Right.
• 41:30
  So that Friday and Saturday, I zipped around busboy doing
• 41:35
  whatever I could to help out. And on that Sunday night, I get
• 41:39
  a call from Steve again. He goes, OK, yeah, this is not
• 41:41
  going to work out. He goes, here's what we're
• 41:44
  thinking. We think you should be a line
• 41:46
  cook. We think you should be a line
• 41:48
  cook. Not not a busboy, not a
• 41:50
  dishwasher. So the day that I was supposed
• 41:52
  to be hired as a dishwasher, I went in as a line cook at
• 41:56
  Pioneer. Oh, you've.
• 41:57
  Been like you've already gotten 2 promotions, yes.
• 42:00
  I am here. I am 16 years old, this kid
• 42:03
  cooking at a family restaurant like a Sherry's and Denny's
• 42:07
  insane and and they put me on the line.
• 42:09
  Now that was a hard, you want a hard job.
• 42:12
  All three of those, all three of those were hard jobs, no doubt
• 42:15
  about it. And then it was interesting
• 42:17
  enough about a couple months into it, my buddy's dad had
• 42:20
  gotten fired. So and it was another guy that
• 42:22
  was that Mark was now the manager and Steve and Steve,
• 42:26
  Steve had told me that he did not want to hire me at all.
• 42:30
  He was forced to because so, so Steve oversaw the dishes, this
• 42:34
  other guy oversaw the waitresses and then Bill oversaw whatever
• 42:37
  he oversaw. And so he was forced to hire me
• 42:40
  by Bill. Bill said, hey, when this guy
• 42:41
  comes in, you're going to give him a job whether you like it or
• 42:43
  not. And so Steve, the manager took
• 42:45
  it as an offense of I'm being told to hire this kid, this kid,
• 42:49
  this 16 year old kid. Well, he said it, Bill was gone.
• 42:53
  So then I'm on my own. I'm on my own accord.
• 42:55
  And So what goodwill I did and all that I built on my own.
• 42:59
  And then it was funny, was a couple months into it, they came
• 43:03
  to me and said, Hey, here's the deal.
• 43:05
  They go look up on the calendar. They look up on the calendar and
• 43:07
  it said, train, train, train. They and they go, and I go,
• 43:09
  what? And they go, I go, what's that?
• 43:11
  And they go, what do you want to do in this restaurant, Virgil?
• 43:14
  And I said, well, I want to be a waiter because waiters make the
• 43:18
  tips. And.
• 43:20
  Pioneer Pies at that time had a policy of guess what they did
• 43:22
  not have. Male waiters.
• 43:24
  Didn't have, didn't have male waiters.
• 43:26
  And they said, well, we're starting a program where we're
• 43:28
  going to have male waiters and we think you'd be great as a
• 43:31
  waiter. So, so another guy and I, we
• 43:34
  were at least in Lewiston, we were the first 2 male waiters
• 43:37
  that they had. So here I am 16 years old and,
• 43:40
  you know, so it was quite, quite the experience.
• 43:43
  But you're exactly right. My, my mental attitude is
• 43:48
  exactly the same. It's like I'm going to, you
• 43:51
  know, get in there and, and do the best I couldn't do.
• 43:53
  I don't know if I could do it today.
• 43:55
  I'm old. I couldn't imagine it.
• 43:58
  Could you? Could you be out there waiting
• 43:59
  tables today? I don't know which I.
• 44:02
  Worked. So I started out at Red Robin as
• 44:04
  a Hostess and then I I could only be an expediter because to
• 44:08
  serve alcohol you have to be. 18.
• 44:10
  So that was the only reason I couldn't jump from Hostess to
• 44:14
  waitress right away. I had to wait until I turned 18
• 44:17
  so I could be an expediter, which I did, and then I was a
• 44:20
  waitress. So yeah, I have worked the
• 44:23
  customer service and it is grueling tip well when we do,
• 44:29
  but that's. A tip well or not tip well.
• 44:31
  I do tip well and so. Well, yes, yes.
• 44:34
  So being in having worked in the service industry like you and I
• 44:36
  both. Oh, absolutely.
• 44:38
  If I get great service, I tip well above.
• 44:40
  And it's, it's just, yeah, just tipping in general.
• 44:43
  It's like I, I, I feel obligated to because I know that they're,
• 44:46
  they're just trying to make ends meet.
• 44:47
  And you know, we live at least when I was 1617 years old, I
• 44:49
  lived off those tips. And this is back.
• 44:51
  You got paid. I don't know about you.
• 44:53
  I'm sure you did. I got paid $2.25 an hour because
• 44:57
  remember, the restaurant wage is less than minimum wage.
• 45:00
  So the minimum wage was 335 and I got paid 225.
• 45:04
  And you had to make it up in the tips with the good service.
• 45:06
  But again, when we talk about radio or we talk about being a
• 45:11
  waiter or a car salesman or anything that we do, this is our
• 45:14
  personalities. So it wasn't like I change,
• 45:17
  change my personality, be on the this is who I am.
• 45:22
  So whether I worked at the roller skating rink, worked at
• 45:24
  the, you know, right, you're the same way.
• 45:29
  Yes, definitely. Yes, I agree.
• 45:32
  I. Agree.
• 45:32
  Yeah. So that was that.
• 45:33
  But I've never told that story or I don't, I don't tell that
• 45:35
  story very, very often because it sounds like I'm bragging.
• 45:38
  No. I have not heard that story and
• 45:39
  I've known you 20 what, five years?
• 45:42
  So you've. Never heard that story.
• 45:43
  No, I don't think you've ever told us.
• 45:44
  That story, no, there's a bunch of stories I don't ever talk
• 45:46
  about, but yeah, that was yeah, yeah, that was.
• 45:49
  A. Oh my God.
• 45:51
  Oh, and I will tell you real. Oh, and I will tell you that I
• 45:54
  worked Mother's Day. So.
• 45:56
  But no, here's the deal. So working Mother's Day in a
• 46:00
  restaurant is the worst day ever.
• 46:04
  And so it's the hardest day you are working it.
• 46:08
  It's insane. And I don't wish it upon anybody
• 46:11
  ever having to work Mother's Day.
• 46:12
  Probably Easter is the same way, too.
• 46:14
  Yep, definitely. And people are picky.
• 46:18
  Oh, my. Yeah, I, I always make jokes,
• 46:21
  that movie waiting or whatever. I'm like that, you know, I'm
• 46:25
  like now I never saw it happen where I worked.
• 46:29
  But I don't trust anybody. You know, if if I go to a
• 46:33
  restaurant and the food is not very good, guess what?
• 46:35
  I just don't go back. Right.
• 46:37
  Yeah, but I but I have never once go.
• 46:40
  Can you send this back and tell the cook that the food sucks?
• 46:44
  You don't send food back. That's like, yeah, especially if
• 46:46
  you've never in the food industry.
• 46:48
  You know better. You do.
• 46:49
  Never send food back, right? And I never saw anything happen
• 46:52
  to food but you. I've seen it's funny.
• 46:55
  Me either. I've never seen anything happen
• 46:57
  to food but I will tell you working on the line or the cook
• 47:00
  line I did see food get thrown. Now they they served up a
• 47:04
  different plates, but but the waitress would come back and put
• 47:07
  the the plate there go yeah, they didn't like it.
• 47:09
  And and I saw a cook grab that off that shelf and Chuck it
• 47:14
  across the kitchen. You don't have that and have
• 47:16
  that that plate shatter. Yeah, I learned real fast that
• 47:21
  and you know, most wait staff treat the cooks and line cooks
• 47:24
  like shit. And it's like you, you like you
• 47:27
  depend on these people to get your food out and it to taste
• 47:30
  good and it to come out in a timely manner.
• 47:33
  And so I was always super sweet and nice to them and I would tip
• 47:38
  them out well. And so of course, if there was
• 47:41
  something I needed remade right away, they were on it like that.
• 47:45
  You know some of the other waitresses or waiters?
• 47:47
  No, they'd make them wait because if you're not nice to
• 47:50
  them, they're not going to do it for you.
• 47:52
  So, and that's one thing that we we've talked about for 100,
• 47:55
  it's, it's attitude more than anything else.
• 47:57
  Yeah. You got to go on with the best
• 48:00
  attitude humanly possible. I know it's a crappy job.
• 48:02
  I mean, any job, I don't care how much you like it, there's
• 48:06
  parts about it that you don't like.
• 48:07
  There will always be and you've got to tackle it with a smile on
• 48:12
  your face and the best attitude you can have.
• 48:14
  And trust me, it does pay off. I know people don't believe it
• 48:17
  pays off, but having the best attitude or, or you know it, it
• 48:21
  it does. I got, I don't know about, I got
• 48:23
  good weight. I got good tips.
• 48:24
  I'm sure you got good tips. Well I got stiffed on like I
• 48:27
  remember like a 12 top. Oh yeah, I got some.
• 48:30
  Oh yeah. For this table and I got
• 48:32
  nothing. Nothing.
• 48:35
  Yeah, I'm still. Yeah, well, so, yeah.
• 48:38
  And so here's funny. When I was when I was 16 years
• 48:41
  old, the head waitress from Pioneer Pies came down from
• 48:44
  Spokane and they told me she was a great tipper.
• 48:47
  And there was an and there was another waitress that did not
• 48:49
  get the table. I got the table and she was so
• 48:53
  mad. And then after I got my tips,
• 48:55
  she's like, how much? How much you get?
• 48:57
  Now? This was back in 1988.
• 48:59
  And I said, well, I got $15. Yeah.
• 49:04
  Yeah. That waitress, she went shut up.
• 49:08
  She couldn't. She's like, you're just a kid.
• 49:10
  You're just a kid because I was 16.
• 49:13
  I mean, you look, I look back, I'm like, man, I can't believe I
• 49:16
  was on. I'm 16.
• 49:18
  I'm on the line on all these things I'm doing.
• 49:21
  That wouldn't. I don't think that happened
• 49:22
  today, would it? I don't know.
• 49:24
  I don't. Think so.
• 49:25
  It was a different area. Who knows?
• 49:26
  Yeah, it was. Well, since we're on track of
• 49:29
  money, I do want to talk about this before we run out of time
• 49:31
  because we're already, you know, in like what?
• 49:34
  For this is a good topic you've got coming up.
• 49:36
  Yes. So I wanted to ask you if Logan,
• 49:39
  did he get an allowance growing up?
• 49:42
  I don't know, I he got money. I don't think he I don't
• 49:44
  necessarily think he got an allowance.
• 49:46
  I I know I don't think you did. I'm sure your kids did.
• 49:50
  My kids did not. They they had chores and they
• 49:53
  were, they were expected to get them done, get their homework
• 49:57
  done before they could do anything else.
• 49:59
  So if they wanted to play on the computer, video games, whatever,
• 50:02
  my thought was the reason they didn't get an allowance.
• 50:04
  My thought was you are part of this household and you know they
• 50:09
  wanted for nothing growing up. So when I be bought.
• 50:12
  Them whatever, so they didn't need an allowance.
• 50:15
  And my thought is, you know, when you're for an adult, you're
• 50:17
  not going to get paid to do your own goddamn dishes, so.
• 50:21
  There you go. There's an explicit language.
• 50:22
  Good. Sorry, bring this up because
• 50:25
  there is a dad who takes rent and utilities.
• 50:28
  I just read this story out of his six year old's allowance.
• 50:31
  Now she gets, I think it's $5 and then she can earn extra
• 50:36
  money for good behavior or doing things without having to be
• 50:39
  asked. And then she gets paid every
• 50:41
  month and he takes out 20% for rent and utilities.
• 50:45
  I mean, they do save that money for her, you know, for down the
• 50:50
  road. They're not just taking this
• 50:51
  money from a six year old and then spending it or whatever.
• 50:55
  But he believes that this is going to teach her with the cost
• 50:58
  of rent and how it is to be an adult and manage your money.
• 51:04
  Which I, I, I see where he's coming from because not a lot of
• 51:08
  these actual life skills are taught in high school like
• 51:11
  budgeting, taxes, all that kind of stuff.
• 51:15
  So I wanted to see what your thought was on this little 6
• 51:18
  year old having to pay rent and utilities.
• 51:22
  So here's the deal. I've talked about this a lot.
• 51:24
  It's actually in the book. It's probably one of the number
• 51:26
  one things in the book. And my son 100% disagrees with
• 51:29
  me on this. So I got for my foster parents,
• 51:33
  I got a dollar a week back in the day for doing chores or
• 51:36
  whatever I was going to do. So my foster mom would take
• 51:40
  $0.50 out of that dollar, $0.25 for birthdays and anniversaries,
• 51:46
  and $0.25 for savings, and then $0.50 I was able to go buy a
• 51:50
  comic book or candy bar or whatever I wanted.
• 51:51
  Now remember, I'm 6 or 7-8 years old right now.
• 51:54
  There was other chores around the house that I could earn
• 51:56
  extra cash from. And so the one of the most
• 52:00
  incredible gifts that my foster mom gave me was money
• 52:04
  management. So when we went to Disneyland,
• 52:08
  she had me save $20. And that was like, and so that
• 52:12
  was like the biggest amount of money ever.
• 52:14
  So when I went into a store as a little kid, I went, Oh my gosh,
• 52:17
  I want that. And my mom would go, well,
• 52:19
  Virgil, you've got your own money.
• 52:20
  Well, guess what? I never spent at Disneyland.
• 52:23
  Your own money. Now trust me, looking back,
• 52:27
  Disneyland. Disneyland cost a lot more than
• 52:30
  $20.00 so. Even back then.
• 52:34
  Yes, back then so so there was those little lessons.
• 52:39
  Now I will and I'll tell you that there's two sides of the
• 52:41
  story. So when I was about 12 years
• 52:44
  old, thirteen years old, my foster mom came to me and said,
• 52:47
  hey, by the way, Virgil, here's your bank book.
• 52:50
  Here's all that money from when you when you were 678 years old
• 52:53
  and it was like 200 bucks. Oh nice.
• 52:56
  And guess what? I And then the minute, the
• 52:58
  minute I had that money in my Hot Pocket, that's what I did
• 53:00
  you. Spent it.
• 53:01
  I spent it like a drunken sailor.
• 53:04
  Now on the flip side, let's talk about the Wallaces, which I
• 53:10
  talked about in the book. The difference there was they
• 53:13
  would take our money and if we went and mowed lawns or if we
• 53:17
  pulled weeds, they would take our money and they never gave it
• 53:20
  back. So you've got, you've got 2 flip
• 53:24
  sides to every story. So on one hand, yes, did I, did
• 53:29
  I learn fiscal responsibility for my wonderful foster parents
• 53:33
  and I learned how to save and be prudent with my money and
• 53:37
  different things? Absolutely.
• 53:39
  But on the flip side, I had a a set of parents that whatever
• 53:44
  money I brought in, they took, you know, and they never and
• 53:48
  they never gave it back. Hence the reason I left when I
• 53:50
  was 16. I left.
• 53:50
  So I mean, I did leave. Like, no, I'm going to, if I'm
• 53:53
  going to lose my own money, I mean, or I'm going to, you know,
• 53:56
  if I'm going to lose, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to
• 53:58
  lose under my own. I'm going to lose if I'm going
• 54:00
  to lose, I'll lose under myself. So I like this idea of what the
• 54:04
  guy is saying. And and I like that it says,
• 54:07
  well, he's going to give the money back to the kid later on.
• 54:09
  So yeah, I think that's it. I don't know if I would use at
• 54:12
  six or seven. I don't like rent and utilities
• 54:15
  as the thing I much. I much like birthdays.
• 54:18
  Anniversary teenager. You don't, but don't starting to
• 54:21
  try. To teach them about, you know,
• 54:24
  because they're closer to being an adult and teach them about
• 54:27
  rent and taxes and. Right.
• 54:29
  Don't you like, do you like birthdays and anniversaries and
• 54:32
  and savings? I like, I like that much better.
• 54:36
  And then when my dog was sick, a great example, when Joe had
• 54:39
  gotten tip poisoning and we needed and I needed money for my
• 54:42
  dog, I would take that out of my my savings and my mom would go
• 54:46
  up. You've got your savings or
• 54:47
  you've been saving. So there was So now, just as you
• 54:50
  said earlier, Michelle, with my foster parents, I never wanted
• 54:53
  for anything like period, period.
• 54:58
  So this was just good fiscal responsibility.
• 55:02
  My, my mom did not. My mom didn't play.
• 55:05
  My foster mom didn't play. One time there was the crushed
• 55:07
  cans and I and I, she told me to crush the cans.
• 55:10
  I didn't crush the cans. She took the cans into town, got
• 55:14
  the money and and she came back and I like this.
• 55:16
  Where, where's my money? Where's my money?
• 55:18
  And she looked at me and goes, you didn't crush the cans.
• 55:21
  You're not getting the money. So those are the little lessons
• 55:24
  that I was taught. But everything was backed with
• 55:26
  love. That was the time I cried and
• 55:29
  threw a little fit like every little 7-8 year old does.
• 55:33
  But yeah, so from my point of view is I don't like rent and
• 55:37
  utilities. That just seems so you know that
• 55:41
  that's for like, I don't know when you're I don't like that.
• 55:44
  I do like it's. 6 Like let them be a kid.
• 55:48
  Yeah. As much as possible I understand
• 55:50
  trying to teach them fiscal responsibility, but also let's
• 55:53
  not put adult stuff on children. Got up, Logan, Logan got upstage
• 55:57
  like, and I, and I told him Logan, I, he's, he's about to
• 56:00
  speak out against my foster parents.
• 56:01
  And I said, whoa, whoa, gold standard.
• 56:03
  You don't get, you know, you don't, you don't.
• 56:06
  And I said, you don't understand is even if I put toy, if I put
• 56:11
  money away for a toy for somebody's birthday, not my own
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  birthday, but somebody's birthday, trust me, that toy
• 56:17
  cost more than the $0.25 a month.
• 56:20
  I, my mom paid, my mom paid the difference.
• 56:23
  Or even if it was, it might have been a $10 toy and I put a buck
• 56:27
  in it still was the responsibility of doing what you
• 56:33
  should be doing. I mean, but remember she was the
• 56:35
  type of woman my foster mom was that person that you wrote a
• 56:38
  thank you card. If someone sent you a present,
• 56:41
  if some, if anybody did anything nice you you wrote a thank you
• 56:44
  card and. That's what I would make my kids
• 56:46
  do. They hated it, but.
• 56:48
  Right. But that's, but those, those
• 56:52
  values, those morals, I think are gone.
• 56:54
  I mean, I think those things are gone.
• 56:56
  I mean, yeah, nobody writes thank you cards now.
• 56:59
  Right. Not even for some emails.
• 57:01
  Yeah, you can send an e-mail and get things like that too.
• 57:03
  But I mean, but but that's a lost art in terms of sending out
• 57:06
  a little postcard saying, hey, thank you for the present.
• 57:07
  Hey, thank you, aunt, whatever from the present or whatever.
• 57:10
  So I'm with you at least. OK.
• 57:12
  I think there's better ways to do it than a rent in utilities.
• 57:16
  So I'm curious what you think about that, you know, because to
• 57:18
  me it's like, I think you can do birthdays, anniversaries.
• 57:20
  I think you do say this. Right, which I grew up, you
• 57:23
  know, we talked about this on another episode with parents
• 57:26
  that were not fiscally responsible.
• 57:28
  So they were not good with their money.
• 57:31
  Well, I mean, if they probably could have, which I started
• 57:34
  working early so that I could pay gas and car insurance and
• 57:37
  buy my own clothes because that wasn't something that was
• 57:40
  available to me from my parents. And so I think the flip side is
• 57:45
  I probably spoiled my kids be a little more because of how I
• 57:50
  grew up, if if that makes sense. And of course they, you know,
• 57:55
  wanted for nothing basically. And so, but we tried to find
• 58:00
  that find that balance to where they weren't overly spoiled,
• 58:04
  which is really hard to do, you know, but still not make them
• 58:09
  have to be adults because at a young age because I had to.
• 58:13
  And so I think I really, you know, tried to shield them from
• 58:17
  that. And so that's probably why they
• 58:19
  didn't have an allowance or have to pay for things or, you know
• 58:22
  what not. And thankfully, as adults, they,
• 58:26
  you know, got financial advice from my husband and they have
• 58:29
  great credit scores and they learned, you know, once they
• 58:32
  were over 18. And they're all pretty frugal
• 58:35
  and smart with their money. So thank goodness.
• 58:38
  But not all kids are like that, especially ones that grow up and
• 58:41
  get whatever they want and, you know, life is, you know, not
• 58:45
  reality to them growing up. And they think that when they're
• 58:48
  an adult, which is going to money's just going to magically
• 58:51
  fall out of the sky like they did when they were growing up.
• 58:53
  So I mean I probably did them a disservice to some degree, but
• 58:58
  there is a reason behind it for me so.
• 59:00
  I, I think you and Jay actually have done an incredible job.
• 59:03
  I think one of the, I mean, this is something I don't think we've
• 59:06
  talked yet about on the podcast is why I remember we've talked
• 59:10
  about it a little bit. I remember that our good buddy
• 59:14
  Jam and Justin, he was driving an Escalade at 16 years old.
• 59:20
  Right. Right.
• 59:21
  And his and he and he came for money, right?
• 59:23
  Yeah, his. Parents just did could afford
• 59:25
  it. No, So he so he ate it Outback
• 59:28
  and he had an apartment and all these different things now.
• 59:30
  And at 33 he was an airline. He's an airline commercial
• 59:33
  airline pilot. Wonderful.
• 59:34
  No, these are all wonderful things, but he got a head start,
• 59:39
  if that makes sense. Right.
• 59:40
  So do you feel so do you feel because of the hard work Jay has
• 59:44
  done and you have done that your kids, they're very and you're
• 59:48
  very fortunate 30 No, they're all smart.
• 59:50
  So but do you feel? No, they are they are all smart.
• 59:53
  So do you think that they luckily got a head start?
• 59:56
  Like if you were OK, if you were your parents dirt poor or I
• 1:00:01
  think your kids will be totally different.
• 1:00:03
  I do. What's that?
• 1:00:05
  If they came from not I think. You no, no, you've done an
• 1:00:10
  amazing job in educating them and and I think you've done a
• 1:00:13
  really good job with that. I'm thinking, but I'm curious,
• 1:00:15
  did you ever think that your kids might have turned out
• 1:00:18
  differently if you did not have the advantages of what you have
• 1:00:22
  today? So let's say.
• 1:00:23
  They would be spoiled brats. No, I'm not.
• 1:00:27
  No, I I think that really good. I, I no, no, no.
• 1:00:30
  I just think that they'd be coming from further behind, if
• 1:00:33
  that made sense. Oh yeah, if we didn't were they
• 1:00:36
  were. Like your kids had choices of
• 1:00:37
  what colleges to go to. Yes, yeah.
• 1:00:40
  And then they basically picked which one they, you know, they
• 1:00:43
  got into the one that they really wanted to get into.
• 1:00:45
  Thank goodness. Right, Little, little things
• 1:00:47
  like that. Not to say they didn't, no,
• 1:00:48
  don't and don't take it out of context.
• 1:00:50
  Not to say they didn't work for it or work and not smart and all
• 1:00:53
  these different things and grades and all that.
• 1:00:55
  But you and I both know that there are great kids with great
• 1:00:58
  grades who never get those opportunities because they
• 1:01:02
  they're coming from poverty, if that makes sense.
• 1:01:04
  Right. And, you know, if we were, you
• 1:01:08
  know, poor or lower middle class, you know, whatever it was
• 1:01:12
  because of how I grew up, I think I would have been like,
• 1:01:15
  you know, the the parents that I've read about where they hide
• 1:01:18
  it from the kids. Because I know as a child having
• 1:01:21
  that burden put on me that oh, you know, like I don't have
• 1:01:24
  enough money for rent. I don't have enough money for
• 1:01:26
  groceries, you know, whatever it was at that time.
• 1:01:30
  That is an adult worry that you're putting on a child.
• 1:01:33
  And I would have really tried to shield them from that as much as
• 1:01:37
  humanly possible if that's how, you know, our finances would
• 1:01:42
  have been for them growing up. And, you know, would have tried
• 1:01:45
  to make the best life possible for them with as little money as
• 1:01:49
  we would have. And so that they wouldn't know
• 1:01:51
  that we were struggling, you know, to make ends meet.
• 1:01:54
  Like I would have really gone out of my way to make it so that
• 1:01:57
  they didn't know we were struggling because but that's
• 1:02:00
  because of how I grew up. So I mean not like my mom
• 1:02:04
  because of how I grew up so. We did that, we did that for
• 1:02:08
  Logan when and, and Logan and I, Logan and I've had this
• 1:02:10
  conversation, he's like, oh, you know, he's like, oh, everything
• 1:02:13
  is just handed to you dad. I'm like, no, I, I don't
• 1:02:16
  understand that, that way of thinking because there was a
• 1:02:19
  year and a half where I was part time in radio and making $5.00
• 1:02:23
  an hour and we were on the food stamps and Logan was just born
• 1:02:26
  and there was a lot of different things going on and it wasn't.
• 1:02:29
  And I worked as, as the, and we talked about the DSHSI worked 80
• 1:02:33
  hours at 5 bucks an hour. That is not equate to much.
• 1:02:36
  And they said, well, you still qualify for food stamps.
• 1:02:38
  That's crazy and luckily the rent was was not as expensive.
• 1:02:42
  Oh my God I couldn't imagine it being today at 5 bucks an hour.
• 1:02:44
  I couldn't imagine living in Idaho. 750 an hour.
• 1:02:47
  Wait on minimum wage? Can you imagine?
• 1:02:49
  Well, I mean, even, you know, my, you know, I always tell
• 1:02:52
  people, my first radio job I got paid $600 a month, you know,
• 1:02:54
  $220 every two weeks. Even even when I worked in
• 1:02:59
  Seattle, when I worked in Seattle, I think the, the best
• 1:03:03
  salary I got in Seattle in the late 90s was 35,000.
• 1:03:06
  It wasn't. I lived in Seattle on $35,000
• 1:03:10
  and luckily Pokey worked too. So let's say she made 30.
• 1:03:13
  So you're still $60,000 in Seattle, which you couldn't, you
• 1:03:19
  couldn't even do that. I mean, I'm sure you couldn't
• 1:03:21
  even do that today. So it's, it's, but Logan never
• 1:03:24
  saw any of that. Like he never, he never saw
• 1:03:28
  that. He always he he always had
• 1:03:31
  those. Now I sadly, I've never been
• 1:03:33
  able to go. Hey, hey, son, here's a complete
• 1:03:35
  ride for college. I, I mean, no, I would have
• 1:03:38
  done, I would have done my best to help him out.
• 1:03:42
  But to me, to me though, and I know you would have done the
• 1:03:44
  same thing too. You would have had your kids
• 1:03:47
  could have lived with you and gone to Yakima Community College
• 1:03:51
  because to me, education, I, I, I, I, I don't have an education.
• 1:03:55
  So I shouted as get an education, get an education, get
• 1:04:00
  an. Education either I did 1/4 and I
• 1:04:02
  was like I'm out. Thank you.
• 1:04:03
  Oh Megan. So that Megan tells me I did 1/4
• 1:04:07
  at Northwest Nazarene in in Napa, Idaho and she tells me I
• 1:04:10
  didn't go to college. Yeah.
• 1:04:13
  I mean, I don't count it as college because I say, oh, I
• 1:04:16
  don't. Need to take my I guess.
• 1:04:18
  I guess you're on Megan's side. I at least put down when they
• 1:04:20
  say some college. I did get into college.
• 1:04:24
  I mean, I did get into college and I went 1/4 before I decided
• 1:04:26
  that I want to do radio. But but but by your standards, I
• 1:04:30
  did not go to college. I mean, I don't consider it
• 1:04:32
  college. And I did a quarter, all right.
• 1:04:35
  Well, they're not one now. I'm going to quit saying.
• 1:04:36
  That you don't have to. You can, but yeah.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah, so, but it's like, I would have loved to have done that the
• 1:04:44
  way I could have done it for my son, which he didn't choose.
• 1:04:46
  That path was like, hey, you can come live at my house for free
• 1:04:49
  and go to the Community College and I'll help you with your
• 1:04:51
  books, help you with what I can. Right, which are me all did
• 1:04:55
  running start? Except for one which?
• 1:04:58
  Saved us like 2 years of college right there so.
• 1:05:01
  No, that's awesome. No, I think that's, I think
• 1:05:03
  that's an amazing thing the school districts do these days.
• 1:05:05
  I didn't, I didn't have that. And I don't know if that was
• 1:05:07
  available in Clarkston, WA. It's only available in certain
• 1:05:10
  States and it's only two currently, like I think
• 1:05:13
  Washington and New Jersey, I want to say I could be wrong,
• 1:05:17
  are the only two states that have running start programs, so.
• 1:05:21
  It's an amazing. Program.
• 1:05:22
  So yeah, might be a musician. So I don't know.
• 1:05:25
  I mean, maybe that maybe that maybe the career choice was
• 1:05:27
  different, but I mean, I always felt like, well, I always felt
• 1:05:30
  like he could live at home and go to Community College because
• 1:05:33
  I, I've always felt there's no shame in going to Community
• 1:05:35
  College whatsoever. And I'm also a big proponent of,
• 1:05:38
  I believe secondary education should be paid for anyway, not
• 1:05:43
  private, but secondary education.
• 1:05:46
  We want an educated workforce, period.
• 1:05:48
  Why would you not want an educated workforce?
• 1:05:51
  Definitely, Yeah, so. So I think that that should be
• 1:05:53
  an opportunity for everybody that wants an education, should
• 1:05:56
  be able to get an education. And now if you want to go to a
• 1:05:59
  private college, if you want to go out of states, you know,
• 1:06:02
  well, that's all on your dime, if that makes sense.
• 1:06:04
  But I think that I would like my tax money to at least go to
• 1:06:08
  that, if that may, because, because I never just like you.
• 1:06:11
  Well, I mean, we had that opportunity, but I couldn't make
• 1:06:15
  it more. We just decided it wasn't for
• 1:06:17
  US. College just wasn't for us.
• 1:06:20
  Well, yeah, I, well, in my, in my arrogance, I went to
• 1:06:23
  Northwest Nazarene, which is a private liberal college.
• 1:06:26
  I'm right out of high school. So my own arrogance in what
• 1:06:31
  Number one, what the hell was I going to a private college for?
• 1:06:34
  It was 10 back in the 80s. It was $10,000 a year.
• 1:06:38
  Oh, that's a lot, yeah. And here I am making and here I
• 1:06:42
  am making 2 dollars $3.00 an hour.
• 1:06:44
  What the F are you even my arrogance?
• 1:06:46
  Because, because in my mind, my mind's like, well, you're not
• 1:06:49
  good enough. You have you have to prove
• 1:06:51
  everybody wrong, right? You have to go to the best
• 1:06:53
  college, you get the best degree.
• 1:06:55
  Yes, yes, at that age, at that age, that was my arrogance.
• 1:06:59
  That was my arrogance in my, you know, that I had to be better
• 1:07:03
  than my family or be above my family to show to show the
• 1:07:07
  Wallaces. And it's it's the most
• 1:07:09
  ridiculous way of thinking ever. So anybody listening, if you
• 1:07:14
  want to go to college, go to a Community College, go to a trade
• 1:07:16
  school. There's nothing wrong with those
• 1:07:17
  things. No, make it work the best you
• 1:07:19
  can. All right, well, let's let's
• 1:07:21
  wrap things up because we're running long, so remember to
• 1:07:24
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• 1:07:28
  Rick fell off his soapbox again this week.
• 1:07:31
  Hurt my every. Hurt my head.
• 1:07:33
  I'm sorry every. Episode.
• 1:07:35
  We just, we just call this the Rick Show.
• 1:07:37
  Sorry, Michelle. That's why your name is first.
• 1:07:40
  I told you. I told you.
• 1:07:42
  That's why we're putting your name first.
• 1:07:43
  No, because you can't just get up all.
• 1:07:46
  Right. Well, thank you for listening to
• 1:07:48
  Rick and that Michelle chick.