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265: Welcome to Plathville - The Proposal (S7 E4) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one
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  Speaker 1: into some Welcome to plathvill This week was wild. These
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  Speaker 1: Now, before we get into it, I do have to
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  Speaker 1: ask you, my sweet baby, what is is your main
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  Speaker 1: takeaway from this latest episode of Welcome to Ancient plath Ville.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, Ethan, this episode, wow, is absolutely insane, like so
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  Speaker 2: fucking rude, so beyond socially inappropriate. I'm like wondering if
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  Speaker 2: he's drinking in that coffee cup that he keeps holding.
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  Speaker 1: Well, why are you wondering?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna be It's a sad thing.
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  Speaker 1: Jack.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like, dude, what are you doing? You're
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  Speaker 2: making such an ass out of yourself. I just I
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  Speaker 2: really don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's terrible. Yeah, it's homophobic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awful, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering what's going on in that peaceized
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  Speaker 1: brain of yours, Ethan, that would give you the impression
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  Speaker 1: that it would be okay to do and say the
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  Speaker 1: things that you have done. It's wild in this season.
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  Speaker 1: My takeaway is I just want to send up the
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  Speaker 1: flare again. It's going up? Can everybody see it? Something's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with Mariah Plath Oh yeah, Now Obviously there's been
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  Speaker 1: something wrong a little bit with Mariah Plath, and she's
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  Speaker 1: got her own issues, but like, I feel that all
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  Speaker 1: of that has been amplified over the last year. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's because of her weird relationship with
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  Speaker 1: that married guy with a kid. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's because of the alopecia and everything, which is I
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  Speaker 1: can't even imagine. It's got to be terribly, terribly hard.
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  Speaker 1: But we see her drinking in this episode, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if we've ever I know she's been in
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  Speaker 1: a bar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she'd drink a little bit last season,
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  Speaker 2: but we didn't see much of it. But this time
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  Speaker 2: it's like you're drinking a whole big old glass of.
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  Speaker 1: Wine and she's asking for more wine. We also see
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  Speaker 1: her with kind of a busted wig, like her wig
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  Speaker 1: is looking weird. Is it her hair?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's her wig yet. I think
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  Speaker 2: she still has her hair because she still has her
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  Speaker 2: eyelashes on one eye. Oh so I don't think she's
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  Speaker 2: lost her hair yet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and I don't want to really even talk about that,
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  Speaker 1: but like, whatever she's doing with her hair, like she's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily taking care of it or herself. She seems
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  Speaker 1: really thin. I don't want to comment on her body
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know if there's anything else going. But
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  Speaker 1: there's just like all of these things together plus her
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  Speaker 1: very morose affect. I know, the way she speaks, the
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  Speaker 1: way she's so timid, the way she's got a little
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  Speaker 1: girl voice, I know is very concerning to a mommy
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  Speaker 1: like me. Like, I'm like, what's going on with you?
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  Speaker 1: It's giving trauma response, It's giving somebody has abused you,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know that it's potato head. I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: how far back we go into your childhood to get
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  Speaker 1: to that abuse. I'm just concerned for her, and she's
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  Speaker 1: just she doesn't want to be around these people. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame her, Yeah, I literally don't blame her.
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  Speaker 1: But and I'm just gonna say this and call me
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  Speaker 1: out if you want to. I get it. But we
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  Speaker 1: don't sensor here. But like, I just wondered if there
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  Speaker 1: was something a little bit more than alcohol happening with her. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit around the edges. There was some slurring,
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  Speaker 1: there was a certain way of speaking and moving. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just like, honey, Is there something else going on with
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  Speaker 1: you besides the depression? Are you self medicating? What's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Somebody helped Mariah Plath and she talks in this episode
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  Speaker 1: about moving to Montana.
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  Speaker 2: I know where did that come from?
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  Speaker 1: Which then I went to her Instagram and she does
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  Speaker 1: indeed have pictures of herself in what looks to be Montana.
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  Speaker 1: I assume. So I feel like she's maybe relocated to
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  Speaker 1: this strange, beautiful place, but by herself.
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  Speaker 2: She's running away. She's running away from her problems. I
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  Speaker 2: think she's running away from herself.
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  Speaker 1: From her family or wack mass family.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's like it's weird because she moved in with
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  Speaker 2: her family. I think she's just dealing with a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I think mister Potato had sucked her up bad because
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  Speaker 2: her brothers keep mentioning it.
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  Speaker 1: I messed up, Like there is lacking a foundation inside
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  Speaker 1: of her that she would be so wrecked after six
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  Speaker 1: months with a married guy, Like, yeah, that sucks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know a lot of us have had terrible relationships,
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  Speaker 1: but like, are are we really this broken? Just because
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  Speaker 1: of that? I feel like there's more going on. And
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  Speaker 1: then when you compound that with abstances and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna say, I think there's substances, mainly alcohol, but like
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  Speaker 1: substances flowing through the plath Clanya. I think they're all
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  Speaker 1: them kids, well well not the little miners, but like
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  Speaker 1: I think Ethan and Micah and Mariah, not Lydia, but
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  Speaker 1: I think all of them are drinking, if not more Isaac,
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  Speaker 1: even as well as we learn from the weddings, there's
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  Speaker 1: just there's just it's just very concerning all the way around.
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  Speaker 1: I'll shut up now, but I just want everybody. I know,
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  Speaker 1: not everybody likes Mariah, I get it, but like, this
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  Speaker 1: is a young woman who has a whole host of problems,
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  Speaker 1: who comes out of a really troubled family structure, and
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  Speaker 1: I just worry about this girl, I really do. I worry.
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  Speaker 1: I worry about her.
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  Speaker 2: I've always liked Mariah. I've always like rooted for her.
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  Speaker 2: I'm definitely worried for her. I would not be surprised
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  Speaker 2: if she's like doing drugs or something, because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the way she's acting, it's troubling. I'm worried for her.
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  Speaker 1: Why is she taking all the blame with regard to Veronica,
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  Speaker 1: who's truly a trash bag of a person. Okay, never mind,
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  Speaker 1: never mind, let's get into the episode. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: it when we get to it without further ado. Start
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  Speaker 1: us off, Beatrice. We are on Welcome to plat Pill
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  Speaker 1: season seven, episode four, entitled The Proposal.
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  Speaker 2: This whole episode is about Lydia's proposal and leading up
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  Speaker 2: to it. We start off with Lydia and Barry at
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  Speaker 2: the Plath family home. Because Barry has concocted a little
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  Speaker 2: storyline He's going to pretend like he's taking Lydia out
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  Speaker 2: for dinner, like just a daddy daughter date type of
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  Speaker 2: a thing. Lydia is completely oblidious because she's so naive. Interesting,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people wearing burgundy and black. I
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  Speaker 2: just felt like, well, maybe people knew this could have
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  Speaker 2: been like the producer version of the proposal, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Okay, they're pretending like Lydia is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: completely oblivious to the real plan. She's getting ready to
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  Speaker 2: go to dinner with her dad, and Lydia thinks that
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  Speaker 2: Zach currently is in Colorado or like some going away
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  Speaker 2: party for one of his friends or something. And this
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  Speaker 2: is where Lydia kind of talks about like it's good
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  Speaker 2: to spend time with my dad because I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to have much time left after I get married, because
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  Speaker 2: she's planning to move to Colorado and uproot her life
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  Speaker 2: and go live with Zach up there once they get hitched.
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  Speaker 2: So they're getting ready for dinner, and then we head
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  Speaker 2: over to the cabin that booty ass vacation rental cabin
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  Speaker 2: and some weird forest haunted forest and kro.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to own it.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, that freaking cabin though.
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  Speaker 1: Well but yeah, but Barry and Kim have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of property. They do. One of them is like a
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  Speaker 1: little beautiful woodsy cabin they do. Yeah, I think it's great.
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  Speaker 2: They own a lot of properties. That's great. But they're
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  Speaker 2: at this cabin and everybody's there, like the whole family's there.
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  Speaker 2: Zach had flown in from Colorado because he's gathering everybody up,
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  Speaker 2: all of Lydia's family and some of her friends and
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  Speaker 2: everything for this surprise proposal. And this is where shit
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  Speaker 2: starts getting ten, like right off the bat, because Zach
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  Speaker 2: is meeting Micah for the first time at this proposal,
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  Speaker 2: which I have thoughts about that, but we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: it in a little while. And it's awkward because Mike's like,
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  Speaker 2: this is my first impression to this guy. Him and
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  Speaker 2: Veronica both aren't really liking him at first. They're both
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  Speaker 2: hardcore judging him, saying that he's not making a good
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  Speaker 2: first impression at all because he's kind of like Boston
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  Speaker 2: people around. I mean, it's his proposal day, so of
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  Speaker 2: course he's directing people where to.
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  Speaker 1: Go, and how he stays so kind of gives me
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  Speaker 1: anxious attachment. And I think with anxious people there is
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  Speaker 1: a deep seated need to try and control the environment
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that things are stable and they can
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  Speaker 1: navigate it. And so it just kind of seems to
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  Speaker 1: me he was nervous, he was anxious. He was obviously
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  Speaker 1: out in front of everybody doing this thing. And while
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  Speaker 1: I can see how I guess some people might think
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  Speaker 1: he was controlling, I didn't really think so. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he just wanted everything to be perfect for his honey.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah I did.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I would you have taken as much offense
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  Speaker 1: as Ethan and Micah and Veronica did, Absolutely the fuck not.
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  Speaker 2: I would have been socially appropriate. I would have been
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  Speaker 2: totally happy. I would have done whatever Zach wanted me
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  Speaker 2: to do, because what should have mattered to everybody here,
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  Speaker 2: was that it's Lydia's big day. Yes, but no, we
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  Speaker 2: have fucking Ethan. We have Ethan and Micah just immediately
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  Speaker 2: trying to give Zach shit. You have Micah like rolling
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  Speaker 2: down the hill trying to trip Zach and he just
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  Speaker 2: jumps over him, like what the fuck are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Like you're older than me, let's act a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more mature. Here. You have Kim trying to justify Ethan
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  Speaker 2: and Micah's behavior as like, oh, they're just boys. Haha.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like welcome to the Plath family and not
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  Speaker 2: doing anything to try and control the situation or rein in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she doesn't really have that position anymore. She forfeited
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  Speaker 1: the position of mother with any kind of authority. That's
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  Speaker 1: a problem at the altar of her adultery and her
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  Speaker 1: alcoholism and her sugar in the barn. So she really
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have, you know, any room to tell anybody else
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  Speaker 1: how to act. But like in that moment, nonetheless, as
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  Speaker 1: a mom, you should have told your boys, hey, whyse up,
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  Speaker 1: like get over here, stand in line, let's help, let's
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  Speaker 1: get this together. This is for Lydia act right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's not doing any of that. She's just
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  Speaker 2: stomping around in her mini skirt.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, just like sidebar, side, please, sidebar, and please stop.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be careful because I but
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  Speaker 1: I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: It's not flattering.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening are we doing skirts? They're like athletic skirts,
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  Speaker 1: they're like as leisure as it a squort. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening? Are wed aware of the actual shape of
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  Speaker 1: our body? What are we doing it?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, Kim, put some pants on for.
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  Speaker 1: Your daughter Lydia's engagement.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to see you.
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  Speaker 1: I want to I want to see your seriously, and
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  Speaker 1: neither is Barry.
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  Speaker 2: No, nobody wants to see that. I kind of wonder
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  Speaker 2: if she's wearing it for Barry, and I'm like, Barry
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  Speaker 2: ain't interested.
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering too, when like they were speaking to
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  Speaker 1: the camera together about the upcoming wedding and I was
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  Speaker 1: checking Barry and he was being like, you know, very friendly.
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  Speaker 1: But then there was Kim that she was kind of
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  Speaker 1: giving an energy like Barry, I'm wearing the short skirt.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you remember when he's like, way back
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  Speaker 1: in the day we were in the gazebo and you
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  Speaker 1: were French kissing me and it was so passionate. Barry's
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  Speaker 1: like absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Not, no, we're done.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: I don't really see you the sax moment.
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  Speaker 2: That you went and left me and fucked Ken motherfucking Palmer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Barry is so done, and I honestly love
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  Speaker 2: it so much and not trying to like praise on
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  Speaker 2: Barry because he's got his fucking problems, and I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of pissed off at him honestly for this whole like
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  Speaker 2: giving lydeo way thing. I'm like, you're not being a
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  Speaker 2: good dad, but like whatever, but like the fact that
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  Speaker 2: Barry got jacked as fuck grew a beard, and Kim went.
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  Speaker 1: The other way, went the other way, that's.
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  Speaker 2: What we'll say, went the other way. And she's walking
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  Speaker 2: around in these mini skirts. Then if you like just
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  Speaker 2: bent over a little bit, we'd see your whole children.
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  Speaker 1: She really doesn't need to bend over, I know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just needs to lean a little bit against a tree.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm seeing her uter stop it. K literally after
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  Speaker 1: You're like you've been doing this for a few seasons now,
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  Speaker 1: but like it's worse than ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I wonder if she's like also like trying
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: to live vicariously through like some of the younger daughters,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: because all of her daughters are so funny.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: They are gorgeous, the absolute most beatific young ladies, like.
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  Speaker 2: Legs, the days they can pull off mini booties and
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: everything out.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, the fuck, Kim, you are not
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  Speaker 1: there anymore. Well, I mean, I just it was a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a midlife spectacle, yeah, that none of us
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  Speaker 1: needed to see. No, no, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, so Zach is trying to direct everybody to
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  Speaker 2: get into their places. He's trying to explain the whole
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  Speaker 2: proposal and like what he wants to plan out, what
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  Speaker 2: he wants to implement, and nobody seems to give a fuck.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody seems to listen. I kind of felt bad for
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  Speaker 2: him there because I'm just like you guys, like this
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  Speaker 2: is for your sister.
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  Speaker 1: Though it's one day, it's literally one half of an
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  Speaker 1: hour out of a day, like where you can help
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  Speaker 1: and you can create this moment that he wants to
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  Speaker 1: have with your sister who's totally in love with this
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  Speaker 1: young man for whatever reason, for.
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  Speaker 2: Some reason, and it's like you cannot like the guy.
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  Speaker 2: And that's fine because I'm gonna be honest, I don't
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  Speaker 2: really like Zach myself, but we'll get into it later.
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  Speaker 2: But you can set that shit aside for this like
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  Speaker 2: one hour thing that you just need to literally stand
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  Speaker 2: there for, like you don't have to do anything, Like
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  Speaker 2: he's just telling you what he wants to do, and
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  Speaker 2: nobody's taking it, especially Ethan, who gets visibly mad at
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  Speaker 2: the fact that Zach is trying to coordinate everything. He
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: calls him bossy, calls him pushy. We've talked about how
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Ethan is the immovable tourist last week. He doesn't like
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to be told what to do. But I'm like, Ethan,
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  Speaker 2: you need to grow the fuck up, dude.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I mean also Veronica, like Veronica is right
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  Speaker 1: there instigating the bullying of Zach and this just and
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about this in the after show, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like really rich because she has spent literally weeks, if
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: not months, on this campaign to paint Ethan and Mica
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  Speaker 1: out to be these homophobic a holes who bullied Zach.
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  Speaker 1: And now we get to the actual episodes and I'm
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  Speaker 1: loving the producers for this. I am loving the producers,
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  Speaker 1: but we get to the episode, and it's actually Veronica
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  Speaker 1: who's out here doing majority of the instigation to bully Zach.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. She's an awful person. And I know we're
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: not on that part, and I know we're still talking
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: about Ethan. Ethan also an awful person. Like so disappointed
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: in you as a person. I thought you were like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and I said this last week. I won't labor this.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I thought you were a Christian, Like I thought that
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was a value that you held. And maybe you're not
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: as much of a Christian as you were before in
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: terms of practicing, but like, I thought the values were
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: something that you held. Dear, I thought that's why you
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to stay with Olivia, because she didn't hold
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the same values and that was important to you. But like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: now here we are in twenty twenty five, and this
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: is how you treat people. I don't mind Zach. He's different.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people in my many years
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: on this planet. He seems like a kind young man
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: who's doing the very best that he can. Keeping in mind,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he's twenty three years old. Lydia's twenty Zach is twenty three.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Are they too young? Absolutely? Is it gonna work. Probably not,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: but he's a good boy and he deserves the benefit
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of the doubt. He's done nothing to Ethan, He's done
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: nothing to Michael or anybody else that would call for
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: them to treat him this way. Now, if you show
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: me who you are and you're an a hole to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: my sister, that's different. Sure, then I'm going to come
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: out the gate. We're going to have a problem. But
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like you're you're treating my sister well, my sister seems
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to love you. I'm not gonna come at you like this.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Well, And like, here's the thing is, like I can
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: understand why the brothers would be cautious of him and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: would be skeptical of him because they don't fucking know him.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: This is Micah's first time meeting this guy, and you're
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: gonna propose to my sister. I don't know, dick all
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: about you. I don't know your character. You haven't like
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: asked me anything about myself.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Like, but does it bother you when you look at
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Micah's character? This man is a cheat, or this man
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: is somebody who gave me Roonica a RTD. This is
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: a person who is a liar, So why are you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: seeing there in judgment of this young Christian man who
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: just and hiked with your sister and they went up
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: five mountains and they're deeply in love. Like, who are
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you to sit in judgment? Plus you Ethan with your
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: fly fucking open.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, nobody is in place to judge anybody.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: We're two raccoons on a podcast judging these people too,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: that's sure, when we've got our own bullshit on our
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: own site. I'm not justifying Micah's behavior, I'm not justifying
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: his actions. I'm not justifying Ethan's I think both of
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: them and Veronica are fucking out of pocket. The way
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that they are acting is so unbelievably immature. And you
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: guys are supposed to be the eldest siblings. You're supposed
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to be the ones that are offering advice, and you're
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: trying to be protective of Lydia, But you're calling him
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: an asshole, You're calling him an idiot. Ethan mutters fuck
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: off under his breath, like that is inexcusable. It's so ridiculous.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I think it's a little audacious
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: for Zach to come into this family that is patriarchal
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that is Southern Baptist Christian, small town country bumpkin uneducated
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: because Plath home schooled them and didn't do a good job. Like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: he's coming into this family expecting them to accept him
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: just because Lydia is happy. He hasn't got to know anybody.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Why do you say, disagree? Why do you think that
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he's expecting them to accept him. It seems to me
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that he's hoping that they will. He's showing up at dinner,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: he's being respectful, he's not causing any conflicts. Why do
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you think he's coming in here with an entitled attitude
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that everyone's going to accept him. I don't see that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's entitled. I just think he expects
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: them to just be fine with it, and they're not
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: because they don't know him.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe he has like a human expectation that he
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: won't be treated like shit people who doesn't know or
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: he is, Yes, irrespective of the fact that he loves
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Lydia and treats her well, maybe he has that expectation,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But like, shouldn't he It's not his fault that they
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: didn't do that.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm not saying it is. I'm saying, like,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Ethan and Micah should not be laughing at him and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: bullying him and treating him like absolution shit.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: In what way did he conduct himself as if he
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: were expecting something that he shouldn't have.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not like, I'm not saying that he is
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: entire he's acting entitled. I'm just saying that you can't
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: expect anybody to like be warm to you if you've
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: only known Lydia for three months and like the first
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: time you meet Ethan, for example, is when you say, yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to propose to your sister and we're gonna
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: get married in like two months.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's something very guileless about that and innocent
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to me, this is just something that somebody who doesn't
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: have life experience wouldn't know it could be. But it
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that that he should have expected them to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: be as aggressive an antagonists as they were.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Well, but so he expected a modicum of human decent, sure,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and they did not give that to him. That he
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: deserved it, Yeah, he deserved it. He may be weird,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: he may be quirky, he may be strange, but he
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: deserves a modicum of human decency, and those people did
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: not give that to him.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: No, for sure, And like Ethan should be mature enough
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: at this point because he's like twenty six, he should
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: be mature enough to articulate his feelings in a better
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: way instead of bullying him and calling him nis and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: being fucking mean. Same thing with Micah. They should be
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: able to articulate like, hey, we're her older brothers. We're
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: protective of Lydia. We saw how Mariah got fundamentally changed
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and broken because of some random men that she went
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and ran off with. We're worried about Lydia because she's
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: way more impressionable and way more innocent, way more naive,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and she's pure. And we don't know you. You come out
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: here from Colorado and you meet us one time, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: then you say you're gonna propose to her. Like That's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I can understand like the underlying like skepticism,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But yes, Ethan and Micah should one hundred percent have
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: been way more respectful and.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Way more I just want to say, I don't think
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Zach has done anything wrong that I've seen. I think
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that he's been a pleasant young man, he's different. He's excited,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: he is obviously he's got heart in his hearts in
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: his eyes. But he's done absolutely nothing to warrant even
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: one percent of what he is getting. And I feel really,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: so terribly bad for him. And I was actually watching
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: this and I'm like, are they doing this for the cameras?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Are they like, are they like trying to play it
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: up to like have this storyline that they're gonna haze
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: this Zach guy. But you know, my vibe was like, no,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I think Ethan's actually legitimately pissed off because we've got
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Zach trying to coordinate this engagement and this proposal with
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the rose pedals and down by the river bed or whatever,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and then you have Ethan like setting fire to the grass,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And I thought it took some big balls of Zach
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to walk up to Ethan and say like, can you
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: put the fire out? Can you actually I would prefer
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that you do that, And of course Ethan's like, well,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: then you do it, and so then Zach did that.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But like I was like, at that point, I'm like, Ethan,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I think you mean this. And this just further demonstrate
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: demonstrates what an emotional immature cripple. You are, yeah, like
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: you cannot fucking read a room. You don't know how
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to act decent. And on the one hand, I don't
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: necessarily blame you because of the way that you were
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: brought up by these two broken robot asshole culty people.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, is Beatrice, You've said, you're
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: twenty six years old, you've been out in life, you've
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: got on your high harley, and you've driven around the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: nation like you should know better than to treat people
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: like this, and so you get no pass from me,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you asshole. And Whenika you're no better, just because you've
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: got a sweeter disposition. But you rolling down the hill
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and on purpose trying to knock Zach over in a suit,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, you fucking suck.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I was like mad at Kim
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and mad at Barry, because I'm just like, what are
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you doing? You raise these men to act like fucking children.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, they are grown ass men at this point
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: in time, and they are acting like this. The fire
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: thing was so ridiculous, the way that Ethan was like
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: not looking at him, he was red in the face,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: he was pissed off, because Zach is asking him kindly, Hey, yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I don't really want the brush right here where I'm
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: gonna propose, like we're gonna have photos taken to be
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: burnt in fucking squirts, So can you like stop? And
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Ethan's like, no, I want to start a fire. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: then Teagan tries to justify it, and it's like, well,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think he meant anything wrong by it. He
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: was just trying to blow off steam. And I'm like, girl,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I know that you're in love, but like we can
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: call out when our partners are doing things wrong.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it takes a bit of time to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: be able to do that. But yeah, Teagan was pretty
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: weak in that moment. She was, But there was Veronica
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: on the sidelines just laughing and saying, well, anything that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Zach asks us to do, let's do the very opposite
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of that. Let's just poke Zach. Even though this is
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: about Lydia and this is Lydia's special day, and even
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: though you Ethan, when Lydia was talking about all the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: mischief you all could get into, you're the one who said, well,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: but I really want this to be special for Lydia. Well,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: if that were true, you wouldn't have set fire to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the ground upon which he was going to propose, right,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Just very shameful behavior. And I have to wonder, Ethan,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: as you watch this back, like, are you embarrassed yourself?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Are you embarrassed of the man that you're showing yourself
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to be? What kind of fucking man are you? I know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so upset.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: When did you turn into such a bitter, fucking callous drunk.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's because of his marriage to Olivia. Yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: it's not because of Olivia, right, it's because of his
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: relationship with Olivia. And I kind of touched upon it
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: last week where I said, well, maybe Ethan is still
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: low key in love with Olivia, and as much as
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: he's protesting and he's calling her out and he's trying
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to drag her like, there's a part of him that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: is still very much in love with her and misses her.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And so this is how he is acting out in
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: reaction to that. Because you know, I've got honey, I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: got mad hoodie who were married to be when I
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: was eighteen years old, still riding me, still still writing
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: me still, and I got other men still reaching out
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to me. Okay, I'm a hard habit to break, beatrise,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I'm a hard habit to break like And after you
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: get a divorce, and we've talked about this before, typically
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it takes half fifty percent of the time that you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: were actually in the long term relationship or marriage for
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you to begin to get over it. Right, So ethan,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: if you were married for eight years or in a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: long term relationship for aight, it's gonna take you four
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: full years before you should even try to date somebody else.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And again, like go to fucking therapy, Like your anger
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: is so ridiculous, like the fact that you can't articulate
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: it and you can't funnel it into like a into
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a mature like conversation, because again, you could sit there
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and have a mature conversation with Zach. I look like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you make my sister happy, but I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: don't trust you. I'm a little trepidacious. It's gonna take
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: me time to warm up to you because I only
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: met you, like yesterday, and I just would appreciate some
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: grace in that, and I will try to be kind
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: But you can't even do that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: You're laughing at him, You're making fun of him, You're
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: calling him names. It's ridiculous. I'm like so mad at
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: him because from season one Ethan to now, I'm like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: you suck a piece of shit.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: We remember you as a Johnny Appleseed, didn't know how
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to do anything, completely naive to everything, arrogant, not arrogant,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: but ignorant to how to live a life. And here
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you are picking on this person for being different, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that really is a testimony to Kim and Barry. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Kim and Barry you can put on this facade of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: reasonableness and you know, trying to co parent. We're good people,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we love God. But like, these are the kids that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you have literally raised. They are assholes, or else they
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: are addicts, or else they are depressed, or else they
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: are broken, or else they're indoctrinated, like Lydia. Like Lydia
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: literally had to turn to a heavenly father because she
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: didn't have a present father to take care of her
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and save her from Kim fucking Plath.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing with Barry is that he's
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: just like so willing to give away his daughter. And like,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: look like I'm not advocating for like traditional values, like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the father needs permission to give away his daughter anything
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: like that. But like he's just like so happy to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: like let her be with this guy that he barely
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: knows as well, and she's only known him for like
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: four months. They've only spent like really a week together
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: because they've been long distance for the majority of their
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: time together. And Barry's like, yeah, I think it's great.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's awesome that she's gonna get married in
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: like five months and it'll be totally fine. And you know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: she's doing the exact same thing that me and Kim did,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and like, you know, it didn't work out for us,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: but hopefully it'll be better for Lydia. I just I
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: just don't like it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a thorough abdication of your parental responsibilities and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it's not cute. No, And anybody with like even a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: minor ability to think and cogitate can see what's happening here,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and it's a tragedy. And I feel bad for Lydia.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And she's so sweet, Oh my god, she's so pretty,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: so sweet, so perfect, so kind, so good. I hope
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that Zach treats her well.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I hope that she did move to Colorado and got
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: away from these contaminated, poisonous people who don't have her
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: best interest. Well maybe they do. Maybe Ethan does have
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: her best interest at heart, but he doesn't have the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: humanity to know how to take care of her or
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: conduct himself exactly. And it's embarrassing. I mean, imagine Lydia
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: watching this. She did not know that her brothers and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Veronica and her family was doing this shit. She thought
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: it was perfect, it was magical, but no, they were
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: actively trying to ruin it, well specifically Veronica.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, I just I hated this whole thing. I felt
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: embarrassed for Lydia because she's gonna have to watch this
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: back and she is so innocent and naive and sweet
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and loving, and now you get to see your family
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: make asses of themselves because they don't like your new boyfriend.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But then I was thinking, like, you know, this whole
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: timeline is very very fast. I mean, we as the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: viewers are just getting to know Zach, like we didn't
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: know him last year, Like nobody knows this dude. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I wondered if, like, so, there's a couple different ways.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: It's like either Zach has some bad intentions and he's
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: trying to pull her away from her family and everything
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: she knows and bring her to Colorado and everything. Or
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I wondered, maybe there's some shit going on between Lydia
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and the family. Maybe she confided in Zach on one
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: of their hikes, and I was like, yeah, like I'm parentified,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I'm so unhappy at my home. I don't know what
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: to fucking do. And Zach's like, Okay, let's speed track
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: this and let's take you out away from your family
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: and move you to Colorado. I wondered that I hope
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that Zach has good intentions. I'm not saying that he's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a bad guy. He doesn't deserve this treatment whatsoever. I'm
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: just a little suss of him because of the timeline,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: because of the lack of the physical intimacy. I'm worried.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not like homophobic Ethan sitting there being like are
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you queer? I'm not like that. I just am wondering
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: what his intentions are with my sweet Lydia because I'm
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: feeling protective over her too. Well.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I just have to say that as a former teenage missionary,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and I apologize for that, but like I was a missionary,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I was somebody who went to other nations, and I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: spent time with other young people. I've been sold out
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and radical for Jesus Christ in my youth. I've met
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a million Zachs. I've met a million young men and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: women who really loved God and then met other people
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: who also loved God and they fell in love, like
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I've met people like Zach, and I just personally, I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: want to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: if they're showing themselves to be earnest. Maybe it's not
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the way I would do it, maybe it's not necessarily
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: what I would want to be done for me, But
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like Lydia seems to love it, and Zach seems to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: be earnest, and so I'm okay with it, and I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: support it, and I think he's a nice boy, and
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I think she's a lovely girl. And that's just like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: where I feel like we should start and finish it
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: with a situation. But with broken people like the Plaths,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: it never works out to be that way, and then
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: they attract all of them attract other broken people who
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: just compound and amplify the existing problem in the relationships.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And that's what I worry about. Hopefully, though they have
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: a great marriage. Hopefully they're banging each other out and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: they are happily ever after. That's what I hope. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: then we shift gears from proposal preparation to Mariah because
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: she's the only one that's not at the proposal yet.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: She's at some diner or something getting drunk from off
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: of wine and we see her. We haven't really like
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: seen her much the last couple episodes, and she's looking troubled.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Dude, I've seen better days from Mariah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worried about her.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Clouds in the eyes again, just like something around the
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: edges of her speech and her affect that is a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: little bit slower, a little bit more cloudy. And you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: it's not lost on me that, like the entire family
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: is there preparing and helping, but she's sitting at this
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: diner and so I think she is consciously choosing to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: separate herself from the rest of her family, even though
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: she like them. But like, what she's saying throughout these
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: scenes is very interesting to me because she's putting a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: lot of blame on herself. Yeah, Like, I don't want
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to be a burden to anybody, and I definitely screwed
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: things up. I've hurt people. I don't want to continue
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: to hurt people. So it's better that I'm not around
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that kind of languaging, that kind of stuff. It's depression,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: it's but it's also very worrying. Yeah, it's really very
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it's very worrying that it makes me wonder, like, do
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you have somebody in your life, Mariah, who's telling you
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that you're beautiful, that you're worthwhile, that you're talented, that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you're creative, that you've got a lot going for you
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: in your life, that you're at the very beginning of
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: your life. I just worry that she doesn't have that,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: based on how she's presenting herself, at least in this episode.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt really bad for her. And she's like
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: really worried about going to the proposal because she doesn't
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: want to be around Mariah and Namara, Veronica and Mica
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: because of the tension that's there between them all, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: she's worried about potential conflict, and so that's why she's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: getting drunk and a diner before she drives over there, apparently,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and then she's talking about moving to Montana, which I
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was shocked to hear because I'm just like that's a
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: drastic move. I mean hopefully, like spending some time in
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the mountains in the forest will help reset.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Meet you at rancher and a cowboy, meet you a cowboy.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: If I could do life over again, and knowing what
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I know now, when I was young at her age,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: before I got hauled off into the corral and branded
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: as the cow that I am to some man or
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the other, Like if I had my drothers, I would
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: go to a place like Montana or to some beautiful
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: location and just insert myself into the local economy and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: see what's going on.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, I really do hope that that's the
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: change that she needs. But I do worry about the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: fact that she's doing it to run away and run
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: away from her problems, because that does seem to be
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Mariah's m O. People online are very critical of that
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: and think that she's a shitty person for that. I'm
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the kind of person that relates to that, because when
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I was going through my shit at her age, I
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: would run away. I would disassociate, I would cut off
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: from people and everything because I didn't want to deal
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: with conflict. Because I was so tenderhearted at the time
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and I didn't know how to articulate my feelings and everything,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: so I relate to her. I'm worried about her, I'm
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: sad for her. I hope she's okay, and I wish
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: her nothing but the best.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Same.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: And then we have Barry driving Lydia to the cabin,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: and this is where he concox his little story. He
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: had Kim text to him saying that the cabin needed
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: some towels, and so Barry's like, well, we're gonna go
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: to dinner, but we got to make a stub at
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the cabin first, and Lydia is like, okay, she looks.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Gorgeous, She's so pretty. My god, that dress, her eyes.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Oh god, these Plath girls beautiful, gorgeous. And so they're
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: driving over, and then we have people getting prepared for
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the proposal. Zach has everybody lined up in an aisle
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: leading down to the little peninsula that Ethan tried to
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: burn down, where Zach is standing there in his Sunday best,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: and we have everybody else wearing whatever the fuck they're wearing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I guess, including Veronica. Yes, do we want to talk
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: about that? Yes? Because once everybody is lined.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Up, like Mariah shows up and everything.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Waiting for Lydia to get there. Momentarily, that's when Veronica,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: heretofore dressed in sweats for an engagement proposal, takes off
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: her sweats to reveal a forever twenty one glitter dress
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that you would go clubbing in when you were eighteen
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Uh huh, and it is taki af. She's
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: wearing it with ten of shoes, which is also taky af.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: How are we doing?
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And it was absolutely ludicrous, and you had to love
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: little Amber, a little beautiful ray of light, Amber who
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: says to the camera like, I don't know why she
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: did that. I think she was looking for attention, but
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: nobody really noticed.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: She called that out. Amber has been like that since
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: she was fourteen, calling out Kim Plath in the earlier season.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Why should dad move out when you're the one who
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: wants the divorce? I little truth killer.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I love Amber so much, and also she's fucking gorgeous.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, But Amber calling Veronica out was amazing. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: thought Veronica was stupid. She looked daggy as fuck.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And nobody gave her any attention at all. She looked
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: silly and ridiculous, and I think she felt that way
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: because it didn't garner the reaction that she wanted, which
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: then leads to her subsequent scene with Olivia, which we'll
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: get to. But she just looked like a fool. She
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: acted like a fool, She acted like a mean girl.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Like what kind of person do you have to be
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: to go out of your way to upstage somebody who's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: about to get engaged to the love of their life
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: where you were invited into a sacred circle of family
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in order to witness that, And this is your first
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: impulse is to upstage and be basically a twat.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And it's like she talks all of this shit online
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: about how the Plath boys like tried to literally set
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Zach on fire because of some hate crime or whatever
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: because they think that he's gay. And then you have
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Veronica changing into this bedazzled Forever twenty one dress and
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: she says, yeah, Zach told us what to wear. He
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: told us to wear church clothes. And I said, I'm
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: not gonna do that. I'm gonna do whatever, because I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: don't listen to anybody, no man, no one, especially not
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: this guy that I've just met. I'm like, so you're rude.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's awful.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: You're so disrespectful. Something's wrong with her, something.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Is she's unhinged, dude. And she was right there when
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Ethan and Micah were setting that grass on fire. Yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: so all of these weeks where she was trying to
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: say that that there was a hate crime against Zach
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: for being gay, well, then you were right there doing it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Was that when it was happening, because I didn't hear
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that from Ethan, I didn't hear that from Micah. And
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: yes they're assholes, and yes they're potentially home. You were
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: right there instigating it and doing it as well, which
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: means you ain't shit and you've lost credibility with just
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: about everything. And we're going to talk about that in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the after.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Show most definitely we are. And then sweet Lydia arrives
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and she sees Micah's truck and she's like, what's going on?
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: And then Barry escorts her down to where everybody's lined up,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and Lydia realizes, OMG, I'm getting proposed to and everybody's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: lined up. She hugs every single person, just like Zach
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: knew she would, although he kind of makes a comment
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: about it, He's like, she hugged every single person. Zach's
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: already kind of annoyed at this point because of all
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the plaths Megan a ruckus and bullying him before the proposal,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: so I think he was just like, come on, Lydia,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: let me propose to you so we can kiss and
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here. I think he was
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: over it. But then Lydia hugs everybody, she goes down
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and Zack proposes and I'm cringing a little bit, but
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: it's sweet, I guess, and they obviously she says yes.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: And then we have Kim and Barry saying now we
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: have to deal with the wedding and if the proposal
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: is this much work, oh my god, the wedding's going
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to be so much work. And this is where we
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: learn that they're going to get married in like two
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: months mm hm, which is crazy to me. I'm sending
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: up the red flag a little bit. I'm just like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: this is crazy. But like whatever, Lydia is happy.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: The whole thing is ill advised and it's not going
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to work out statistically, like they have a very low
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: chance of success, probably one to two percent. But God
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: can do anything. God can make a way where there
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: seems to be no way.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, and then we have Lydia asking everybody for their
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: involvement in the wedding, and she asks Amber to be
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: her maid of honor. And I thought this interaction was
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: a little weird because Amber's like, well, I don't know, like,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: are you sure I could just be a flower girl?
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: And Lydia's like, no, you've been there for me, and
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Amber's like, but I haven't really, but like, okay, if
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Me to be the main of honor, well, what did
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you make of that? I don't know.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I thought it was odd that she didn't ask Mariah
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: because Mariah and them seemed kind of close, kind of closer,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: especially when they were younger. And I don't know if
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: there's like tension between Lydia and Mariah.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Had Mariah already left at that point, though.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I think she was still there in the background, really
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: all right, But like Mariah, I guess because she's been
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: doing her own thing, maybe Lydia doesn't approve of what
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Mariah's doing in her life. I don't know. I just
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: thought it was odd that she didn't ask Mariah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Agreed.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I thought it was odd that she asked Amber, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Amber seemed like it was weird and like she hasn't
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: really been involved with Lydia. And this is why I
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: was saying earlier, I'm wondering if there's some weird relationship
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: dynamics going on that we don't know about. Maybe Lydia's
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: not as close with the family as we thought, or
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: maybe she's trying to be close with them and they
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: don't want anything to do with her. I don't thou get. No,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: there's some weird stuff going on.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Well, Mike's been gone, Mariah's been gone, Ethan's been gone.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: It's only really been the three littles that have been
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: around and Isaac who have been around Lydia.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that Amber's living in Florida right now with
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Micah and Veronica. God, so that's why I'm like.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Not for long, I would imagine, I mean, right.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I would not want to live with Veronica's ass, But
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just thought that was weird. And
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: then we have Veronica trotting around in the forest in
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: her stupid bedazzled dress, looking like a fool a party clown,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and she calls Olivia on FaceTime.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Because she feels like the family isn't treating her right
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: in this moment because they haven't acknowledged her, just like
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you didn't acknowledge Mariah when she walked up. You didn't
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: say hi, you didn't even look at her, You didn't
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: say anything to Bury. But She's like, well, the family's
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: not treating me well, so I need to tramp on
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: over through the forest to the cow so that I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: can call Olivia and do the most inappropriate thing possible
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: in this moment.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: So ridiculous, And she talks about how the Plaths are
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: all cold and they're acting like they didn't treat her
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: and Olivia like shit, and they're acting like everything's fine.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: No, they're literally just paying attention to Lydia and making
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: sure that Lydia is having this magical moment for herself.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: You are the one that's making it all about you
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and how everybody sees you and how everybody's treating you. Meanwhile,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: as I'm says, nobody's noticing you, yep, and or thinking
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: about you.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Nobody gives a shit. And then Veronica says some things
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: about how the Plaths are structured like a typical high school,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: but they wouldn't know because they didn't go to school,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: like so mean, that's how Olivia used to talk about
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: their education, and like, look, we're talking about it too.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, Kim Plaid educated them, and they were educated
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: well enough, but it's like God so mean. And then
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: you're trying to team up with Olivia, who I think
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you're right from last week. Olivia doesn't want to interact
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: with God.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: She's calling again, Yeah, oh God, what are we going
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to talk about?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: What are we going to talk about? I think Olivia
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: is keeping her at an arm's length.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I think Olivia, for all that we can say about her,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I think she's an intuitive young woman. I think she's
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: very intelligent. I think she can probably read Veronica quickly
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: easily and like a book. Veronica, you are making a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: fool out of yourself in the world. Yeah, on social
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: media and certainly in this show. And it just as
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a side bar, it just had me wondering. I think
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: somebody commented somewhere like, wouldn't it be interesting if production
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: just kind of threw up their hands and said, Okay,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: enough covering for Kim, enough covering for Ethan, enough covering
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: for Olivia and Veronica. Let's just show everybody exactly who
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: they are without trying to edit it. And in this moment,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I thought it was really great. Production was showing exactly
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: how insecure, immature and downright mean Veronica is.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I love it. Are doing this, you keep doing it,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: keep doing this is fucking lit.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people online who are like,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I cannot continue to watch this because it is so homophobic,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: It is so ridiculous and bullying and rude and mean,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and those things are true. But at the same time,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I am very entertained. I am very entertained, and I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: have to see this through because previously Beatrice, we wondered
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: whether they would even show us the wedding, like and
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: everything that happened at the wedding. And again we know
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that Micah and Isaac get in a huge drunken bra
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, and Isaac excuse me. Micah's nose is
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: almost dislodged from his face, and we've seen pictures of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: him all beat up, and we thought there's no way
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: production is gonna show that. But it feels like everything
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: in this season is leading up to that point. Yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I actually feel hopeful that we're gonna see it, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's going to be like the crystallized moment
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: where Micah and Veronica also break up and he dumps
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: her ass. Yeah, that's what happened. There's a reason for
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Veronica is showing her ass on social media right now
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: is because she got dumped and she should be dumped
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: because it's a terrible, toxic person.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: She fucking sucks, dude, and Micah sucks too.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Michah does. Sure, yes, but like.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Veronica, you are toxic af dude, and you're still you're
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: still on a campaign against Micah and it's embarrassing.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And you're doing it in the most despicable way. You're
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: calling out, embarrassing his sexual proclivities. You're alleging that he's
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: been sex trafficked. You are also alleging that he's had STDs,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Like you're divulging this very intimate sexual physical information about
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Mike that is only his to reveal. You, in my opinion,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: are a disgusting person.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Agreed. Yeah. And then after the proposal, Micah and Ethan
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: do a little meet and greet with Zach because he
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: had set up this specific time to talk with them
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: and get to know them. And this part was crazy
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: because aims because Ethan up until this point has been
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: saying his only grievances with Zach was the timeline and
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: the fact that he didn't really know him. But during
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: this conversation with Zach, it is apparent that Ethan thinks
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: he's gay and does not like the fact that he
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: thinks he's gay, and it's like this, it's crazy. Micah
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: seems to be coming at it from a perspective of
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a protective older brother. He wants to kind of vet
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Zach because he straight up says he doesn't think Barry
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: grilled him hard enough, and so he feels like a
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: moral response onsibility as the older brother to do that, because.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: But you don't have to do it in a way
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that's intimidating and threatening, like if you were my sister,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to kick your ass and it's going to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: be terrible for you. Agreed, Okay, Micah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: But we're here, Okay. So we get into this little cabin.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Zach comes in. He's ready to answer questions. He's already
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: expecting that they're gonna as they're gonna ask hard questions
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: because they're her brothers, and so he's it seems like
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: he's a little nervous. It seems like he's a little
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you be, of course, because they were laughing at
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: him just an episode ago, they were.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Trying to set his proposal sight on fire. Right, he
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: probably heard Ethan say fuck you and call him an
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: idiot under his breath.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Yep. So he's coming into this, like I think, with
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a guard up, rightfully, so, because Ethan and Micah have
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: been downright me into him.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: The way I would not have taken that meeting the way.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: There would not have been any Q and A, the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: way I would have just given them nothing and just
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: left with my beautiful Lydia. Who the fuck do you
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: think you are?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Young men? Yeah? I agree. I I just think that
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: things would have been different if the timeline wasn't so short,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and if Zach got to know them before he like proposed,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and before they decided to get married. I think things
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't owe them that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be great, and I think that's best case scenario.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: But nobody owes them that this is between him and
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Lydia and they have both agreed to be in this
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: relationship and to get married. So Ethan, you're not owed anything. Michaeh,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you're not owed any assurance, and they don't need anybody's permission.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think they feel like owed anything. I think
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that they just expected to get to know him a
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: little bit, so that's why they're doing this meeting.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like they feel they're entitled to grill him.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: They do, Yeah, they definitely feel that in this conversation.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: And Ethan seems drunk to.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Me because he is everybody's string out of that coffee
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: cup and I'm everybody in the clubs getting tipsy. So
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Ethan and Micah talk before I think Zach comes in,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: and this is where Ethan says he thinks that he's
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: a nice guy, but Lydia wouldn't know any better otherwise,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: and I think that that's true. And then we have
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Michael also saying that he thinks that this whole thing
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: is just a crush and that they're making it a
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: lot bigger because they're restricting physical intimacy, which I also
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: think is a good point. I'm not trying to judge
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: the relationship, but like, I think they're making good points
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: right there. But then Zach comes in and they're fucking mean.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Mike's like, if you hurt Lydia, there's gonna be fucking consequences,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: my guy, and then Ethan is like, why is it
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: so damn fast?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Though? Like he's coming off aggressive, like in his verbiage,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: like he is not trying to be mature, he's not
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: trying to hold back his anger. He's probably drunk and
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: he's just going in hard. Zach says something to the
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: effect of, well, I don't know how much you know
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: about our relationship, but like we spent a week hiking
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: together in the mountains and so like it felt like
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: many months transpired in one week, and so we just
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: felt like I give this call by God and that's
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: his answer. And I'm just like sack, yikes, dude.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: But it's valid for him, he's a religious person. It's
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: valid for Lydia, sure, And we don't need to infantilize
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Lydia and tell her the kind of physical intimacy she
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: should and needs to have. Like no, other people have
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: different ideas for themselves and their lives and their marriage
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: and their bodies, and that's okay. And just because it's
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: not the same as we would do. And just because
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I think we know better does not mean that we
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: get to judge other people. I'm just so offended and
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I really do. I get it, Like, yes,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I wish Lydia would test out the dick before she
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: married this guy. Yeah, because watch this guy have a
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: micro penis or a pamper penis, and she has no
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: idea and she's never had section, she has nothing to
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: compare it to. Yes, do I wish that, But nonetheless
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I also very much respect her religious views, her faith,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and her ideas about her own body and her own life.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And so shot the fuck up, Ethan, And who to
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: be some kind of arbiter of what is right, a
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: good what a good marriage is, what a good relationship is.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: What would you know about that, you fool. You don't
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: know how to be a husband, you don't know how
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to be a partner. You don't even know how to talk.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: You don't even know how to open your mouth to
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: metal face and talk to people. And you're gonna sit
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: in judgment of this young man who's doing his very
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: best to express himself in the way that he knows.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: It just bothers me. I'm gonna shut up for the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: rest of this whole thing. I hate them so much.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: And that's what I hate about Ethan is that he's
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: coming off like he's this expert in marriage because he
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: just got out of a nasty divorce with somebody who
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: fucking hated him at the end, and I'm just like you,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: then shut the fuck up.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: He's not even divorced.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Well no, yeah, not even legally yet. But like when
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: your daughter and I were getting married and we were
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: talking about it and everything, like I had people from
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: my family telling me that I was making the biggest
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: mistake of my life, that I should get an annulment,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: that I should not do this, and blah blah blah,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: because they got married young and ended up in a
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: terrible divorce, and it offended me at the time because
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck you, dude, if it's a mistake, let
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: me make the mistake, then let me make the choice.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: And that's like, I agree with you. I think that
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Lydia is an adult and she should make the choice
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: and everything. I am concerned because she is naive and innocent,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm worried because she's in this fundamentalist religion and
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know of Zach's intentions. I don't know the guy.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I hope that he's great. I hope that he treats.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Her very I think we should give him the benefit
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: of the doubt. He's never shown us anything to indicate
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: other worses.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm just saying that's my vibe. I'm just like,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just a little I'm a little suss. But I
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: wish for the best. I really hope that it's great,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: and I hope that they fucking prove all of them wrong.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be awesome? Yes, that they're down twenty years
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: down the line, they have the best relationship ever, they're
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: super healthy. They never see the Blaths ever again because
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: they're living their best life up in the mountains of Colorado.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I wish that for them. But the way Ethan and
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Micah are trying to grill him is so gross. It's
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: so gross because he asks him like I think it
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: was Micah asking him what about work? Because I hope
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that you're breaking your back for Lydia and I hope
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: that you provide for her. And Zach's like, well, I
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: coached tennis for a year, so I have a passion
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: for that. And then I also want to like own
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: a coffee shop. And then Ethan and Micah like laugh
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, Michaeh, what is your job? I'm sorry I said
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I would shut up, but you build fences when you
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: can get the work, and it's probably thrown to you
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: by your girlfriend. You don't have a job, you don't
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: have a degree, you don't have an education, do you
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: even have a ged, And you're gonna judge this young
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: man for having a dream to have a coffee shop. Okay?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Well, and Micah does say in his talking head, he's like,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: it's not necessarily about the work that you do. It's
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: about the hustle. And so he's just like, I'm just
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: making sure and I'm looking out for Lydia.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: It thanks for the life lessons, the life lessons from
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the Plath I know that makes a lot of sense.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: And then Ethan asks him, well what do you feel
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: when you're around Lydia? And Zach kind of stammers and
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, I feel confident, And both the Plath
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: boys like don't like this answer for some reason. And
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it's because they think like like I want,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: or if they're trying to sniff him out, like as
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: men of like, well, what do you mean by confident?
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Like confident because she's naive, Confident because she makes you
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: feel good about yourself or makes you feel powerful. I
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: don't know but I think Zach is so nervous in
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: this point. I think he is dealing with these aggressive
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Southern men who are coming hard on him about his
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: relationship with Lydia, and I think he just doesn't know
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: what to say here, and he stammers, and Ethan and
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Micah don't like this answer, and then they get into
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: the physical intimacy portion, and this is where Ethan just
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand in his caveman brain how a man, a
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: young man could withhold or willingly withhold physical intimacy with
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: such a beautiful young woman. And so he asks him,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: why are you waiting until marriage? And Zach says something like, well,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: it was not something that I intend to commit to,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: but because of who Lydia is, I decided to make
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: that commitment. And I thought that was a little weird,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: because Lydia and Zach now are going on like Gingerduggers
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: podcast and they are saying the reason why, Well, Lydia
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: is saying for Zack that Zach was the one that
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: came up with the idea because he wanted to protect
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Lydia's purity and he saw how, you know, beautiful and
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: young and innocent of a woman she was and he
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: didn't want to what's the word like ruin that because
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: just because he wanted to get his pencil wet, he
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that he had the holy commitment
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: with her before they did anything. And that's fine, that's great.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I just wondered why he didn't say that right here.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder why he said it wasn't something I intended to.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Because he's being interrogated by a couple of assholes who
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: just ruined his engagement. Yeah, like, how is he supposed
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to be comfortable and share with him what's on his
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: heart and feel very natural about that? They set this
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: up in such a way that he would be intimidated
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and even threatened by them, and that is what they wanted.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: They're continuing to haze him. I felt bad for him.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I personally saw probably the highest version of his answer
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: when he said she makes me feel confident. I just
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: took that to me. And she makes me feel like
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: strong and who I am. She makes me feel like
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I've got a vision for my life. She makes me
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: feel like I know what I want and she gives
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: that to me. I give that to her, Like that's
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: what I heard him say. But like maybe that's just
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: me like trying to see the very best in him. Yeah,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't know why that was so confusing for Ethan
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to hear, other than maybe he's attaching masculinity to confidence,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: like maybe a confident man would be somebody who presents
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: differently than Zach does, which I think leads to Ethan's
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: ultimate question, which is how we end this episode, which
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: is basically, so are you gay?
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Dude? I cannot believe we're still doing.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: This because you haven't kissed Lydia. You don't seem to
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: want to bang my sister, which is so weird because
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: real men would want that. So are you gay?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Girl?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, listen, dude, I think in the first episode,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, I'm moving my mic because we can
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: hear that. I apologize that. But I think in the
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: first episode I said I could see my brother if
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I was with a guy like Zach, I could see
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: my brother saying, well, over it, you know, are you
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: sure he's like? I could see my brother doing something
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I see a world where that exists,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: and my brother is not a homophobe. But the way
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: that Ethan did this and the the path he led
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Zach down in order to get there, like by judging
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: and being critical of the not kissing and not wanting
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: to be intimate and all of these other things. The
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: way that he led him down that path was so insulting,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: so homophobic, and so homophobic. Yeah, you know, and I'm
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gonna cop to the fact that I
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: have been giving Ethan a lot of grace over the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: seasons because I am very sympathetic toward all the kids
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: for what they came up through. Because I was indoctrinated
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: as a young age. I think a lot of us
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: have that shared experience, and we know how stunted we were,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and so I get I get a lot of that.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: But like he lost me. Yeah tonight, like like the
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: first episode or whatever, when he first questioned it about Zach,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I can see my brother maybe saying okay,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: well we.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Were questioning it too on the podcast.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, But now dude using that as a weapon and
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: a way to be insulting. And you know that's how
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: he intended, because you see Zach's face immediately fall and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: his mouth shut and he like receives the meaning of
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: what they're doing and what they're saying. He's like, Oh,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, and we know next
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: week we're going to come back to it and Zach's
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: going to have an answer, but like that's what he
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: felt in this moment, like, Oh, is this what you
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: guys are doing to me? You're painting me out to
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: be gay and there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Obviously we don't have it, but this is what you're
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: trying to do to me and Lydia after everything else
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that you've already done. If Zach doesn't hate them, Like,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: why are you following them?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Zach?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Why are you following them?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I know? And that's what I wondered too, because I'm like,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: is this exactly? Is this actually how Ethan is feeling?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Is this for the producers like you mentioned? But I'm
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: like this is when he said that, and he had
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: a smile on his face, I was kind of nervous,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Like as a resident gay, I'm like that is threatening,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: especially in the Deep South too, and like with this
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: very Christian family, I'm just like, yikes, Ethan, not a
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: good fucking look. I don't know who the fuck you
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: think you are? You again, like I said at the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: top of the episode. You cannot like him, and that's fine,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: but this behavior towards him unacceptable. The way you're talking
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: to him absolutely horrible. I'm like mad at Ethan.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the concept of a walk in?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: It's like this metaphysical idea of that at some point
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: in your life, like you just decide you don't want
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: to be here anymore, and you give up your vessel,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: your human being body, and then you allow some spirit
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: or alien to just walk in and continue your life,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: but like with a different personality. Anyways, this whole thing,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I was hoping that Zach could be a walk in
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: and I could just step in to that moment, like,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: just give me ten seconds with these Aryan Nation hitler
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: youth assholes, Just give me ten fucking seconds, because I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: believe if Zach had shown any ancher and said, who
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: do you think you are questioning me? Did your marriage succeed?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: How about you? Micah? I heard you're a cheater and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: you're gonna sit there in judgment of me and try
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: to call me gig? What are you a home of phoe?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Like if you could just if Zach could have just
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: done that, but he's too young, he's too innocent, he
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the life experience. Just let me walk in,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: tag me in for ten seconds, and let me take
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: care of these assholes.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Dude, dude, honestly, I'm rage so shocked at their behavior,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: and like, this is what I was trying to get
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: out earlier in this episode, is that we could have
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: had like a genuine, maturesh conversation with the older brothers
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: stating that they are genuinely concerned because they've seen what
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: happened to Mariah. They saw that she's fundamentally broken. They're
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: worried about lydia because they don't know this guy and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: they don't know his intentions. We could have had an actual,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like a nice conversation where we could have had Zach
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: easing their concerns and all this stuff. But no, we
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: have Ethan and Micah being complete fucking bigoted assholes, treating
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Zach like shit, making fools of themselves on TV, and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: being straight up homophobic, asking him if it's kay. I
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: hope that in the next episode we don't even see
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Zach say no. I hope he gets up and is
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: like we're done here, bye, fuck you, We're done. I'm
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: not answering that question.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I hope for that. I don't think we're gonna get that,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: but I really hope for that.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so too. But that's how we end
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: the episode. Shame, shame, I'm real. And then we have
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: the preview where we have Veronica talking shit to Amber
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: again about Mariah, and we see Amber.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Let me walk in, let me walk in ten seconds,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: let me I got my brass knuckles in my purse. Veronica, dude,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you are you are not? You ain't shit. We're doing
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: this to a minor child who is then put in
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: the position of having to defend the family that she loves.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: You toxic ass bitch.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: And Amber, being based as always, straight up calls Veronica
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: out and is like, yeah, actually, I think you overexaggerate
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: like literally everything, so maybe you should chill out. Thank
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: you stop talking about thanks. And then we have Micah
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: talking to Ethan about the fact that Veronica has been
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: talking to Olibya and I can't wait to see Ethan
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: just pop off and his little cavement uga but gone mad.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: I can't wait well, because he's been strange, so supportive
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: of Veronica, who is a weird o and has been
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: a weird do from day one. But for whatever reason,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Ethan's been supportive, but he's not supporting Zach, and then
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: it's gonna come back to bite him because this entire time,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Veronica has been talking to your arch nemesis.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, a thing of beauty.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: I am most excited though, about the wedding because I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: am wondering how all of this shit, all of this
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: tension between Ethan and Zach like escalates at the wedding.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Because I'm because I think Veronica said on Reddit that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: the reason why the fight broke out was something to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: do with Ethan being homophobic or whatever, or like calling Zach.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I don't believe her.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: I don't believe her either, But with Ethan's behavior in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: the last couple episodes, I'm like, I'm wondering, well, does
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: he object at the wedding and it starts a fight.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: My prediction is by the time we get to the wedding,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: everybody accepts Zach and it's not a problem. I think
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: the drama at the wedding is going to center around Veronica.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: We know that Veronica leaves the wedding before Micah does
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason. Micah stays on gets super drunk, so
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  Speaker 1: does Isaac, I imagine so does Ethan and Mariah, and
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  Speaker 1: then there's a fight that breaks out and Veronica hears
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  Speaker 1: about it after the fact. By the time that Micah
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: goes to the hospital because my boy Isaac took him out,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: took him down, and that is the precursor to whatever
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: caused their breakup. I think I'm hoping that's the drama.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping by the time we get to the wedding
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  Speaker 1: we're not still doing this to Zach because I don't
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: like watching reality TV, for example, The Valley with everybody
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: just ganging up on Danny and Nia the entire and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: it's so unwarranted, Like if this whole season is going
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: to be bullying this young man, like I'm going to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: very quickly want to tap out. Yeah, but we'll see
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: what happens.
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  Speaker 2: We'll definitely see what happens. This season is crazy. We're
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: only on episode.
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  Speaker 1: Four, I know, and I'm very much liking it, so
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I am excited me too to keep watching. I do
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: want to say that I don't think we gave Veronica
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: as much criticism and grief as she deserved from this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Alone.
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  Speaker 1: But I do acknowledge that we're going into an after
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: show and she's going to get it from me, She's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: going to get it from social media, she's going to
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: get it from us, and she deserves it.
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  Speaker 3: She does.
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  Speaker 1: So is there anything else before we head on over
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  Speaker 1: to the after show that we should be saying to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: these raccoons before we get up on at a here.
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• 1:06:43
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• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a great review from somebody. You sent
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it over.
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  Speaker 2: Should we read it in the after show?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should read it in the after show, but
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, this person is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: so wonderful and lovely and she gets us.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she sees us.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really beautiful. So thank you. Every single review
• 1:07:00
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• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: back next week to talk sister wives, honey, and I
• 1:07:07
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• 1:07:09
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