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269. Behind the Scenes: We’re Buying 175 Acres of Land · Thanks For Visiting

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Sarah: Hello, listeners.
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Welcome back for another great episode.
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My name is Sarah Karakaian.
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Annette: I am Annette Grant, and together we're--
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Both Annette & Sarah: Thanks for Visiting.
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Sarah: All right, let's kick off this episode like we do every
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single time, that is sharing one of you, our amazing listeners, who's
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using our hashtag on Instagram.
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That's #STRShareSunday.
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If you use it, we'll find you, and we'll share you here on the pod.
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Annette, who are we sharing this week?
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Annette: This week we are sharing @motojave1953.
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That's M-O-T-O-J-A-V-E1953, and they are a home in Joshua Tree.
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Want to go over a few things that, hosts, you might be able to do today.
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One is, let's call it "the brag bar".
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So when you go to their Airbnb listing, you can add a section where you're like,
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featured in, awards won, and designed by.
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I'll call it the brag bar.
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And I like this.
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They let potential guests know that they were featured in as best wedding
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venue in Joshua Tree in January of 2023.
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The awards won, they've won 50s Vacation Rental Experience of the
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Year by Home&Garden in 2023, and then designed by Erin O'Connor and
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Christopher Smith, which I think is them.
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But I think that's just an interesting place to add.
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It is a brag bar.
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Like, oh my gosh, they were featured in this.
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Awards, Home&Garden.
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That just gives you-- you'll see this a lot on websites where
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they'll say, featured in X, Y, Z magazine or on this television show.
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So if you could fill out that brag bar, I think it'd be awesome for you.
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The other thing I want to say about this listing, and I think this
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is going to become more and more important as we roll into the future,
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is they do have free EV charging.
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And so if you are looking for a way to potentially stand out in a sea of
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listings and you know that someone might be traveling to your home with an
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electric car, that might be the reason.
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Especially if they have to travel.
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Let's say these people are coming from LA to Joshua Tree, they need to
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charge, and they can do it at that home.
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That might be the difference maker if they're deciding between
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your place and someone else's.
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So I think an EV charger could be something that you could
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install if you're looking at some amenities that might draw guests in.
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So well done, and thank you for using the hashtag.
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And then Sarah, I'm excited about this episode.
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It's about me and you.
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You and me.
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Sarah: I know.
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Annette: And a couple of other threes.
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Sarah: Try to make that rhyme.
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Annette: You, me, and three--
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Sarah: And three--
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Both Annette & Sarah: Other people.
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Sarah: We're going to be vulnerable.
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We're going to share what we don't know, what we do know, why we're doing this.
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Annette: Yeah, we're going to go over the who, what, when, where, and why
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of a new project we're working on.
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Sarah: That's right.
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Here we go.
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All right, Annette, so it's been about a week and a half since I dragged you to
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the middle of Ohio and look at some land.
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What do you think?
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Annette: My favorite part was riding in the back of a truck.
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I haven't done that for a really long time.
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It's probably dangerous.
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Justin Ford, I hope you're not listening.
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Sarah: We are looking at land to buy, and we're going to get into the who, what,
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when, where, and why of it soon here.
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But we also have heard from our listeners, from you all, that you would like a
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little bit more behind the scenes of what Annette and I get ourselves into.
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Well, let me just share with you-- I'm going to skip forward to
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actually looking at the land, and we are meeting with the seller.
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It wasn't planned to meet with the seller, but we were trying to find out where to
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look at this other section of the land.
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And so our friend Mike was like, let me just call him, and brings him over.
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And the guy comes over, and Annette does what Annette does and she assumes
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that they're already best friends.
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And this guy is trying to sell us a lot of land and talk leach fields, and what
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is that thing, hogan, or what's it called?
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Annette: I don't know.
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Some sort of bailling.
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Sarah: Some sort of--
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Annette: I don't know.
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Sarah: We are very ready to be land buyers.
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Anyway, Annette asked for a ride in the back of his truck.
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Annette: And this was a big truck.
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Sarah: A big, giant dilly.
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Annette: But I haven't done that since I was probably a teenager.
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Remember you'd hop in the back of the truck.
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So I was living my best life--
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Sarah: With the seller driving.
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Annette: With seller driving.
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And it was fun, but we got to see some more of the land that way.
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We were one with the land in the back of the pickup truck.
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Sarah: And it was fun to see the seller loosen up a little bit
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too and have some fun with us.
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So anyway, Annette and I are looking at land.
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I would say the past couple years, you and I have dreamed up some ideas
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of structures we would put on land.
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Annette: Yes.
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Sarah: But we've not made that step of putting our feet on land that is for sale.
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Annette: Sarah and I started dreaming this up when Airbnb did
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their competition of, if you dream it, we'll give you a $100,000.
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Sarah: That was pre-pandemic and I think the pandemic actually
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closed ,the contest down.
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I think they reopened it.
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But anyway, we've talked about it for a long time.
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Annette: And now we're getting more serious about it.
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And we've been looking, and we want to get into and share with you
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the who, what, when, where, why.
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And so first, let's start with who, because it's not just me and you.
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Let's talk about who will be buying this land.
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And when we say land, also, we'll get into what, which is buying the land, but
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this is potentially hundreds of acres.
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Just so people know, it's not one acre of land.
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It's a big--
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Sarah: 175 be exact.
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Annette: We're partners, and Sarah and I have partnered on
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other projects, obviously our business, and then other properties.
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But we're going to bring in some more folks in on this one.
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Sarah: So actually, Annette and I, we based our whole partnership on the fact
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that we like working with other people.
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Now, Annette, that's not to say we haven't been burned by
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other people in the past either.
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So I think that's interesting that we actually value partnerships in that way.
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Annette: Always.
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I always will.
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Sarah: I just like working with other people and collaborating.
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Now I know there's people out there who would rather do it on their own
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completely, and that's great, but that is one thing that Annette and I can agree
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on is that we like partnerships, and not just with each other, who obviously
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we have trust now there, but also we're willing to put ourselves out there.
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Now, that doesn't mean we won't protect ourselves.
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Annette: Yeah.
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Sarah: So the people that we're going to partner with, it's not just Annette
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and myself, and of course, my husband, because I'm legally bound to him so--
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Annette: But I am not.
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So this is my first time actually, I mean, kind of legally bound to him
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because he is your husband, but the other property is more with my sister.
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This one is definitely-- Nick is going to be in the scene.
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He's always in the scene.
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Sarah: And then when Annette and I met, however many years ago, at
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that city council meeting, we also met another couple, and we were
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instantly impressed by their portfolio.
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They own all of their short-term rentals, and I think their niche
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is large homes here in downtown Columbus, and they're new builds.
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Annette: Yes.
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Which is very different, especially in the areas that-- they have
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a knack for finding land.
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Sarah: They do.
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Annette: So hello.
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Partner with people that do things better than you.
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They have a knack for finding-- it's land, but it's more like vacant lots.
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Or if there's a house that has the lot next to it, a lot and a half,
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they've done a really great job of finding those open lots here locally.
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Sarah: And they build new.
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They have renovated where that's Nick and my, I don't even want to call it
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expertise, but it's what we do sometimes.
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Annette: You've done it.
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Sarah: Three four times a year for the past several years, and
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we're still learning every day.
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But they specialize in building new.
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Annette: Yes.
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Sarah: So you mix the fact that they're in short-term rentals.
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We've now watched their business grow for the past, what, four or five years?
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They're great people.
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We get along.
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They bring different things to the table, and actually, they brought
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to us another piece of land that we've decided is way too risky
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for us right now, where we're at.
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I like it because they also pursue this.
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We're not driving it by ourselves.
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It's like there's equal interest in doing it.
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So that's who.
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Annette: Yeah, that's who.
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And I want to say one little caveat here.
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When we talk about who also, we've already, in this process-- I'll
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give a shout-out to my brother.
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He is an environmental lawyer, and so he has been an important person to lean on
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during certain things, our own attorney.
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But we have been chatting with our network about this potential so that
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other who is definitely us having conversations outside of our partnership.
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Shout-out Mike Hicks, as someone in our membership and a coach,
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and he is an expert in buying land.
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So we are already talking about this with some people outside of our
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partnership to lend us some help, all the way from lenders to attorneys to
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other people that have done it before.
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Sarah: Heck yeah.
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Annette: All right.
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So what are we buying?
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Is it acres?
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What have we been looking at?
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Sarah: We've been interested in drivable destinations to us,
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acreage, so that we can build new.
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Annette: What we've been looking for also is something that already has a property
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on it, a structure, a primary residence.
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So that already had a electric, plumbing.
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We could use it potentially as the contractor's house, or maybe if we had--
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Sarah: The innkeeper, or the caretaker, whatever you want to call that
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person who might be there full time.
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Annette: So the what is land that we could build multiple dreams on and
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already has some zoning, some structure, something that isn't just-- all of
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them have had a home on it so far.
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Sarah: This land is also nestled between bigger populations.
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So we're looking at land between Cincinnati and Columbus, and
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also not far from Dayton.
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Annette: Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Sarah: I mean, obviously, there's outlying states that aren't that far.
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So drivable destination that allows us the flexibility too to build our dreams.
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Annette: And the what, we know it's land, but the what is we do want
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to have multiple structures on it.
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So that's something also that we've been looking at, is what
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is important is that this isn't going to be a one-and-done build.
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Sarah: No.
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Annette: Hopefully, we'll develop multiple properties there.
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All right.
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So we got the who.
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We got the what.
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When, Sarah?
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When?
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When are we doing this?
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Sarah: We've been talking about it for so long, and Annette and I also, listeners,
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we want you to understand too, we are doing this thing, Thanks for Visiting.
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We are sharing all of our past experiences with hosting and building our hosting
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businesses with you, and it has grown into this beautiful thing, but there's only
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so much time in the day for us to figure out how to grow Thanks for Visiting and
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make it the amazing, reliable resource that we hope you see that it's become.
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Annette: And community.
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Sarah: And community.
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The time is now for us to continue our real estate investing adventure.
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Annette: So the when is now, but we're also not in a huge rush.
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We're definitely going to be calculated in it and take our time.
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Because if we're going to build on land, we're not going to have this thing
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up and running in the next 90 days.
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Sarah: No.
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Annette: The when is, it is mission-critical that we find it now,
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and start the build, and get it going.
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We've been looking with our current partners for, oh my
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gosh, how many months now?
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So it hasn't gone quickly.
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Sarah: Several.
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Annette: Okay.
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Annette: All right.
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We're going to get into a little bit more of where we have been, strategics,
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little more behind the scenes.
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Sarah and I are looking all over the country.
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We're making plans for future out, but we've decided this land,
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especially with our partners, we do want it to be here in Ohio.
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So let's talk a little bit about the where, Sarah.
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Sarah: Yeah.
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Going back to pre-pandemic, and I was talking about building some really
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cool structures, it has become even more important for myself to invest
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in Central Ohio since the pandemic and the explosion of experiential vacation
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rentals, Forbes Magazine, other real estates, what do you ever call them, not
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marketplaces, but real estate marketing--
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Annette: Periodical.
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Sarah: Why can't I think of it?
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People who have things to say about real estate.
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Annette: Media outlets.
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Sarah: Thank you.
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Have mentioned the importance of Central Ohio and how it's growing.
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I mean, a lot of things are happening in our area.
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There's room for crazy appreciation here, I guess is what I'm saying.
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Annette: And our population growth.
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Before we hopped on this episode, Amazon just announced a 7.5
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billion, yes, billion, addition to their web services here.
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Intel is currently building.
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Of course, we still have the Ohio State University.
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There is just--
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Sarah: Google.
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Annette: Tons of room for growth.
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Facebook has some of their web services here too, so there
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is just tons of growth here.
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And so what that means is there's going to be many more people moving, and
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having a drivable destination is going to become more and more desirable.
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So we feel like there is a lot of room for growth for those drivable destinations
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Sarah: And Annette and I have big plans for Thanks for Visiting.
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And so it's going to be nice to spend some of our time doing Thanks for
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Visiting things and also being able to turn around, drive 45 minutes
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to an hour and look at our project.
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Annette: Sit on the land.
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Sarah: We're not going to do anything.
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We're going look at it.
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But do you know what I'm saying?
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So that's the where.
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Annette: And the where is also important to us because our partners are going to
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be heavily involved in the build out, and we will be able to leverage current
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team members, current contractors.
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It's like Rolodex of a network of people, from hopefully people that want to stay
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to people that can help us create it.
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That's going to just make it a lot more tangible for us and
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hopefully easier for us to get the project across the finish line.
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Sarah: Yeah.
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Annette: All right.
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We got the who.
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We got the when.
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We got the where.
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And now, drum roll.
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Sarah: Yeah.
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The why.
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Annette: But why?
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Why build something?
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Can't you just go get something that's already created?
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Sarah: Right.
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Or like, why don't we stick with what we know, which is more metro places?
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And Annette and I were going over this episode before we hit record,
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and we were going to say what our whys were, and I was like, don't.
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I want to save this for authentic airtime.
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Annette: On the fly why.
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Go for the why.
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Sarah: Yeah, go for the why.
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I have a lot of whys.
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Annette: Okay.
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Sarah: Should I list them all?
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Annette: Yeah.
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Sarah: All right.
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Potentially, I have some problems, and I like to continue to challenge
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myself, so I feel like I've done what we've done here in Columbus, Ohio.
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We did New York City, and we nailed it.
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It was great.
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Learned a ton.
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Came to Columbus, Ohio.
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Annette: Done in Gulf Shores.
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You did in the Gulf Shores.
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Sarah: Did in Golf Shores.
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Did in downtown Columbus.
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I'm not going to lie.
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I'm seeing other people create interesting structures and places, and I'm like, I
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want to see what our creativity would become if we built something new.
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So challenging myself and my husband, who's an architect and loves designing.
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Two is, with all the new AI developments that are happening very
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fast, I'm just going to be honest-- Annette's laughing right now.
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And I am a city girl.
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Annette: I'm smirking.
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I'm not laughing.
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Sarah: I am a city girl at heart, but I also see that-- can't hurt
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to get ourselves some land a little more moved from the city.
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Annette: Are we going to do a Thanks for Visiting like that group
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commune where we all farm together?
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Sarah: Honestly, let's see how bad it gets.
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Annette: Okay.
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Sarah: We at least have this option now, but I've just seen
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the-- you know what I mean?
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They're not building any more of it.
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That old saying, buy land.
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They're not building anymore.
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Annette: Buy dirt.
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Sarah: Dirt won't hurt your real estate portfolio.
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And I'm not going to lie either.
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Not only with you, Annette, we bought a townhome.
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It's been a great experience investing with someone other than my husband,
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and now you, and bringing in this other couple who is going to work
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with us, and I've really admired them, and their work, and their tenacity.
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I am excited to see that energy.
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I like collaborating, and so I'm excited to, again, just-- I like
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to live on the edge a little bit.
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So those are my whys.
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And, ooh, I have one more.
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This is the big one.
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It is, Nick and I, since moving here, we've chipped away at buying
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a fourplex, a duplex, a townhome.
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And I'm excited to buy land.
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And maybe, not maybe, but fast forward a little bit to the baby steps.
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So if we build a structure that's truly unique and set our own marketplace for
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that stay and be able to build more than one on this one plot of land,
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that excites me too to fast forward the success, the investment, how much we
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own in real estate a little bit faster.
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Annette: Okay.
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I like it.
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Sarah: That's why I wish--
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Annette: Cool.
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I have a couple of whys also.
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The first thing I wrote down, which is interesting is legacy.
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Even though I'm like--
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Sarah: Yeah, I like that.
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Annette: Single.
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No kids.
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That's probably not the first thing you would anticipate to come to mind,
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but for you, and I, and our brand, and just something that's special.
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When I say legacy too, it's like I want to create something that lots of people
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can share in, and hopefully, maybe it's a way for us to give some special give
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back to like what kind of place are we going to create where if not legacy for
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us-- and I mean, I do have a large family.
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They're not my children, but all my nieces and nephews.
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But a place that multiple people can enjoy at the same time and
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maybe go back year after year.
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And also for us to diversify.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with diversifying, um, my portfolio.
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So that is an option there of one of my whys.
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Also, a chance for us to really dig in and see, with the experience, what can we
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do with direct booking and truly owning a hospitality brand and have the land become
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a brand that has a lot of meaning for me.
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And then exactly what you just said too.
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I'm excited to continue to-- I obviously do work with Nick, but to really work
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with Nick, work with the other couple, and just expand that partnership
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and those teams and just really use strengths and get us together there.
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So I think that's the why.
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And another part of the why is more of like, why not?
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Sarah: Right.
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Annette: Like, why not?
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Sarah: Let's say why not.
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Why not?
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Because things can go wrong.
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Why not?
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Because the partnership, we could be oil and water.
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Why not?
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Maybe what we build isn't at the average daily rate or occupancy
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that we thought it would be.
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Why not?
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You know what I mean?
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Okay.
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Annette: But still, why not?
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Sarah: But like, why not?
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Annette: Right.
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And I think for you and I too, we just keep coming back to this, and when I
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can't shake something and I just circle back-- so I was like, let's do it so
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I'm not sitting in this what if forever.
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I'd rather do it and have done it than continue to what if it.
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So my why is I want to stop what if-ing it, and there aren't any why nots to me.
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So that's a green light go.
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And obviously, listeners, there are so many things that have to fall into place
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for this to actually happen, but we want to share with you, we just have to
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go and start, and we don't know what's going to happen in 30 days, 60 days,
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three months, six months, nine months.
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But we want to take you on the process with this of, we went and visited,
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we were all together and took some hours out of our day, and we're
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making investments mentally and with our time because we have this dream.
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And I want to say something that was a takeaway from meeting the
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gentleman that owned some of the land that we were look looking at.
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It was funny.
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He was showing us the land.
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He was giving us-- he's been touring it with a lot of other potential buyers.
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Everybody's got a dream.
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Everybody comes down here, and they want to tell me their dream.
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And I was like, well, we're part of those dreamers.
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And then I was just like, man, I think it's okay.
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He said it in a snarky, like, yeah, everybody's got
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these big plans and a dream.
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And I was like, I hope they do.
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I actually hope everybody has a dream, everybody has
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something that they want to do.
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And I think that's part of the why too, because I need things
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to look forward to and challenge me and want us to raise the bar.
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And so when he said that, everybody's got the dream, I was like, oh
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my gosh, I don't-- I'm glad I'm one of those dreamers to him.
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That also is a why of being able to scratch that itch of like, okay, let's
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dream this up and actually do it.
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So that's also-- I want to be-- for the dreamers, do that stuff.
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Actually do it, not just dream about it.
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Sarah: And that's the cool thing, is that we will do it.
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And in whatever form that is, we will do something that is
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legacy-building, will challenge us.
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And for me too, Annette, another why that I have, and I am not saying
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this just, listeners, to butter you up, but I do feel a sense of-- and
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I've always said this to Annette.
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I do feel a sense of responsibility to try new things.
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Annette: Oh yeah.
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For sure.
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Sarah: Being in this position, we put ourselves in this airwave in this podcast,
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and we advertise it, and we have our amazing sponsors who are behind us.
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And so if we were just to sit here and not challenge ourselves-- I
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will give a shout-out to Beardy Brandon from BiggerPockets.
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And that's the one thing why I kept listening to the BiggerPockets podcast.
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Not because he had great guests and because I was learning so much in soaking
21:42
it in, but I feel like every quarter or six months, Brandon would learn something
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from a guest, and then he would commit to his listeners that he was going to try it.
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Annette: Oh, I like it.
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Sarah: He would say, I'm going to-- I don't even know what-- I still
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don't understand what a 1031 is.
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I'm going to try it anyway.
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Or, I want to buy a property for my daughter so when she graduates from
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high school, she's got-- and he would do these things, and he would mess up along
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the way, and he would learn new things.
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He would say, well, that failed.
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That didn't fail.
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And I don't know, I really admired that.
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And obviously, he's done gone to do great things by challenging himself
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and being vulnerable and open.
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And so I think this is a great opportunity too for us to do the same thing.
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And hopefully, we inspire a listener out there who's like, I
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just need to go tour some land.
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Just go walk it.
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Show up, even if nothing happens.
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Just take that first step.
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Annette: Yeah.
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And we have plans, but we don't know.
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Sarah: We don't know.
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Annette: Let's talk about them.
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So we just wanted to give you a little behind the scenes of, yes,
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that's what-- if you go to our phones right now, you'll see texts
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back and forth, you'll see emails back and forth on actual properties.
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And if you would've asked me when I sat down at a city council meeting
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with Sarah, I mean, a handful of years ago now, oh yeah, you'll be looking at
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175-- I'd be like, what are you smoking?
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Sarah: You're nuts.
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Annette: What is happening there?
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But I think that's fun when you just lean in and let your
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path unfurl in front of you.
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Sarah: And there is so much we don't know, Annette.
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I mean, even having the couple, and Nick runs an architecture firm, and
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he's helped people build on land, and we have our attorneys and your brother,
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there is still so much we don't know, and we're going to make mistakes.
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It's going to happen.
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Annette: The biggest thing I've learned so far, the septic.
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I've learned way more about septic systems than I've ever--
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Sarah: Annette said it's all about poop.
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Annette: It's all about poop on this land.
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Sarah: Where's it going to go?
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Annette: Where's it going to go?
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Where's it coming from?
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Where are you going to hold it?
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Where's the soil?
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I'm just telling you, I never thought so much about septic,
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and we're not even anywhere--
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Sarah: No.
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Annette: Near really thinking about it yet, but it matters.
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Sarah: We're going to get excited about it.
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Poop matters.
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All right.
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With that, I am Sarah Karakaian.
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Annette: I am Annette Grant, and together we are--
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Both Annette & Sarah: Thanks for Visiting.
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Sarah: Talk to you next time.