Latest / Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano / Let There Be Light in Our Healing with Jennifer Pilates
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- Lyndsay Soprano (00:01.346) have always been a highly sensitive and empathic person. Everybody knows there was an old story that a girlfriend of mine used to tell to all of the people that she knew that my parents and I were so, all we would do is end up in the pantry crying for some random reason at some random family event. We are always all very sensitive in my family. And I've always. Jennifer Pilates (00:43.251) God, I can't mercury retrograde. Now I'm on this side and you're on that side. Maybe I like the other side better. Lyndsay Soprano (00:45.664) Totally. I don't know what's happening. Take two on that one. I'm just going to keep going. Steve, have fun with that. OK. All right. Here we go. I have always been a sensitive and highly emotional empathic person in my life. And there was a little girl that I grew up with that used to tell all of our friends and family members that she would catch my parents and I like in the pantry sobbing for some random reason at some random family event. And we just felt more. Jennifer Pilates (01:00.168) Right? Lyndsay Soprano (01:23.944) and we do feel more than I feel like the average person does. And I have been super in tune with people for my entire life. So I felt like I needed to connect with everybody, take on everybody's stuff, take on everyone's stuff all the time and from a very, very young age as well. And so over the years of being an empath, taking on everybody's shit has depleted me. And I knew that that was going to be part of my healing journey. learning about my empathetic self and how that led to me being a people pleaser as well has been really interesting for me to find out about myself and then being a highly sensitive person impacting my pain levels too. So it's kind of like this whole trifecta of fun that's going on around here. So when you live in this world of chronic pain, right? And slowly start to impale these layers of the why behind living in the heavy world of pain, of trauma. Nothing would make me feel any better than feeling lighter in some of these heavy moments because it's getting really old you guys feeling heavy. I'm sick of it Some days my legs Feel like they're made of cement Other days the weight of the pain almost feels in fact today is one of those days where I feel like I have a 500 pound man just like laying on top of me making me feel kind of like I need to really slow down unable to move kind of a feeling today and Last night I was on fire I was being burned alive with hot lava worms running through the veins, all of my veins having like a parasite party. This is just like the past three days, right? And so as I have moved more into what I am calling woo being true, which my guest today is gonna lift from me, journey toward healing, I am finding that this heaviness is slowly lifting. But what has started to happen is at the pace of my healing, feels like it's rapidly approaching. And that started when I truly opened up my heart to the world of energy healing. And I'm not stopping that now, not even a chance. And so a few weeks ago, I did my first true group Reiki lunar distant healing session with my guests today. And I'm just now starting on this path through my twisted force of healing through this energy work. And after this session, I sent her an email and I quote, holy mo- Lyndsay Soprano (03:43.914) What did you do to me? I literally haven't been a P4 in like five to six years. You are a miracle. I just walked the entire San Clemente Pier in flip-flops. San Clemente is a pier here in Southern California. And the rest of it is history as far as I'm concerned. So today we are going to have an epic time. We're going to chat with this incredible light that has come into my world and now yours about reconnecting, realigning and healing trauma with Pilates. Energy healing for chronic. pain, how our nervous system is all wrapped up in that, letting the light in with light therapy, holding space for loved ones because that is a huge part of our journey as well, awakening our inner compasses and much more. So without further ado, I'd like to introduce you to my beautiful guest today, Jennifer Pilates. Hey, baby girl. Jennifer Pilates (04:34.495) Hey honey, how are you? Lyndsay Soprano (04:37.962) I am so good. I am so happy to have your lovely, beautiful face here today with us. It is just like such a blessing to have you here for a multitude of reasons. Jennifer Pilates (04:46.639) I am so excited we're finally getting together and doing this. Lyndsay Soprano (04:49.532) I know that let's do this thing. So Jennifer is a globally acclaimed intuitive medium, spiritual thought leader and host of the top rated Empowered Within. It's amazing guys podcast with over 25 years of experience. She's helped clients around the world awaken their intuition, heal from within and realign with purpose. Jennifer blends grounded spiritual wisdom with holistic healing and mindset work, making transformation feel both powerful and practical. Her work resonates deep long after a healing session ends. From energy healing to soul awakenings to Pilates and breath work, she brings truth, heart and light to us today. If you're ready to rise in empowered alignment, Jennifer's the guide and the guest you've been waiting for and I'm happy to have her here with us today. So I'm rolling out the red carpet for you, my beautiful babe. I'd like to start with your traumatic car accident in 1997 that led you to your spiritual calling and how Pilates became a bridge between healing and purpose. And let's take it from there. Jennifer Pilates (05:48.743) Yes. Well, first of all, thank you again, Lindsay. I'm so honored to be here and just, I love our energies together. We're having so much fun, you know, and it just, is amazing, right? We all have these different spiritual awakenings and for anyone out there that's new to it, FYI, you're going to have a lot. It isn't just one. However, there usually is this one major one that is propelling you on your path. And for me, it was this car accident. And while I may not have known it in the moment, Lyndsay Soprano (05:55.738) I know. Jennifer Pilates (06:18.835) Hindsight is always 2020. And so when we go back to 1997, I had been in the senior living industry in the corporate world climbing the ladder doing everything that I was either told to do or thought that I should be doing. The 401k, the this, the that, all of it. And I don't regret any of it for a moment. I was in that industry and I started in the industry when I was 15, believe it or not. So this was in my middle twenties and I was driving home one day, six lanes of traffic in Colorado. And I look up and I see this car barreling towards me. And if you know anything about a car accident, the last thing you want to do is see it coming. There was nowhere for me to go. And the next thing I knew, I looked to my left and there was a police officer there. Now I'm from Massachusetts, grew up on Cape Cod. So my first, I'll never forget my first thought was, wow, they get here awfully fast. That was my first thought. Well, that was the gentleman that had hit me. He was going home from work. He was in his regular car. He wasn't in his patrol car. So being again from Massachusetts, old school thinking is, know, when they say pull your car to the, no, I'm not moving my car. I'm not moving anything. I'm sitting right here. I, you know, like I was freaking out. He gets in the car with me. I'm a mess. Next thing I know, the ambulance is pulling me out, you know, the whole nine yards. It was quite a sight to see. And so what transpired in that moment was clearly I did lose some consciousness, was a ton and a massive amount of soft tissue damage from the base of my skull all the way down my spine into my pelvis. And if you know anything about soft tissue damage, that's something that's truly at a cellular level. It's not something that just goes away. That's a lot of trauma that's stored. Jennifer Pilates (08:09.097) in your body versus having had a broken bone, that bone is going to heal and mend itself within a period of time. That soft tissue damage can stay with you for life depending on how you work with it. And so back to the accident, I could no longer drive to work, which was about 20, 30 minutes away. I was in and out of doctor's offices eight hours a day. You named the doctor. I saw it. Now the blessing in all of this was I was in Boulder, Colorado, the Mecca of holistic healthcare at that time. Here being a little, I would say country bumpkin from Cape Cod, I hadn't done a quarter of what I was being offered. So at this young age, I say now in my late twenties, I'm being offered, which when you look at hindsight, basically a taste test of everything to come in my life. And so it was energy work, was massage work, was doctors saying, you shouldn't be on medications, you should be smoking out of a bong because you have asthma. I mean, you name it, it was there. And, but I had a lot of pain and so there was also traditional medicine and such. And finally, one person referred me to a Pilates trainer. She specialized in rehabilitative care and I went with her for a whole year. I rehabbed within Pilates and it totally changed everything for me. Between the Pilates and working with all of the doctors who at one point once said to me, you do realize you've never lived in your body, which was a very, very weighted statement. And at that time I heard it, but I didn't get it. And I know at that moment in time that doctor knew that that's all he was to say to me because I was just trying to get through what I could get through. We weren't going to go unpack everything else at that moment. And so there was so many blessings that came out of this car accident, Pilates being one of them, which changed my world. I ended up getting out of the corporate world, diving into Pilates. I had a very small settlement back in the day. You're still getting money. No coincidence. It was just enough money to go to the Pilates center in Boulder, Colorado, which is the Harvard of all Pilates schools. I don't believe in coincidences. And so Jennifer Pilates (10:22.311) At the end of my rehab, one of my instructors had suggested, you know, you're really good at this. I think you should. And I just leaned into it. It began my process of leaning in and kind of letting go of control in that moment in time. And so I went to the school, which is amazing. It's very much like physical therapy school because it's so much anatomy based. It's so much, in my personal opinion, rehabilitative. aspect to it. It's so deep. Even yes, we have the classical repertoire and it was a blessing. I mean, to be a third generation Pilates trainer from Joe, because my teachers were from Ramona who was taught by Joe. So, I mean, you don't get that these days and a lot of people don't quite understand what all that means and that's okay. It's something that's very special to me and I'm very honored for the experiences that I had and Pilates for me, brought me and opened up my gifts to this whole amazing metaphysical world of understanding what it's like to be in my body and not in my body. Understanding that connection between your mind and your spiritual side inside of you. I mean, it just opened up. I've always had gifts, but it just, it just cracks me open to a whole nother level. And, you know, it just became if I could give back to one person so that they didn't have to experience the pain that I did, that I had, that was my mission when I got out of that school. Now you look 25 years later, seven Pilates studios I've had all over East West coast, millions of lives I've touched and blessed to be able to virtually as well now, you know, it just has expanded beyond the rehabilitative aspect now into, you know, one session becomes rehabilitative work. it becomes mindset, becomes the spiritual healing, the energetic healing. So it truly was just an amazing gift that I was given when at a time it certainly didn't feel that way. Lyndsay Soprano (12:28.318) love that you said, pain as a gift is something that I've actually been exploring a lot recently. My tagline for my show is giving pain purpose, right? And that kind of just like came to be probably in the middle of season one. It was like, why am I doing this thing? Like, this is hard. And I'm digging into places that I didn't know I even needed to dig into. There were places I knew I needed to dig into that I wasn't quite ready for, but I'm like, if I'm asking people to do this for me on my show, I've got to do it right back for them. And so. Jennifer Pilates (12:46.097) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (12:57.34) All of that pain that has come from not just the physical pain, but the emotional pain and dredging up some of this stuff has been totally and completely worth it. And it's not easy and it is challenging. And right now I'm in this really interesting phase where I'm trying to bridge a lot of what I've learned over the past couple of years about myself, what I've learned and taken from these types of conversations, what I've done on my own, my side work, the books I read, my meditation, all the practices that I've started to put into play. how I'm going to be able to bridge that work with energy work and moving more into some different body type movement and exercise protocols for me, because right now the only thing that I really do is swim. And we're going to get into a little bit more about that and how we can get into the body mind connection of things. But man, bridging these is what's this interesting place that I'm at right now. I'm like standing on top of the bridge and I'm like, holy moly, I'm at the top of it right now. And I can like see all of these different beautiful trees and beautiful world around me. And I'm starting to see things in such a different light in such a different way. And in fact, I just started doing ketamine therapy a couple, well, I guess two months ago. And I'm just starting to, now that we've got my dose normalized and stuff, I'm starting to see and appreciate the more metaphysical side of where ketamine is taking me when I'm on my journey. And it's really interesting. And a lot of that has been a couple of things that I've just been meeting you. learning more about what you do, going through our session together and the things that we're working towards, that opening up my eyes already and so quickly, like I mentioned in beginning, it's like rapidly coming out me because I've been putting this so much out into the universe and here we are. So how did you bridge Pilates with energy and the spiritual work? How do you do that? Jennifer Pilates (14:45.479) You know, it's just, it's such a beautiful question that you asked me this today because it's literally taken me two decades to figure this out. So I have always had my Pilates world. I had a coaching world, right? Cause that's what I called it. And then in the back behind the curtain, there was spiritual advisor, Jennifer, who was doing energy work and who was doing intuitive medium readings for years that no one knew about. And I always had everything segregated. Everything was in its box. And the last four to five years, I was like, I gotta figure out a way to bring it all together. Like I'm one human. Everything is so segregated. I can't say that. And so it has literally, it's been a work in progress. And I finally figured out a way to do that. I finally have, I don't know if I wanna talk about it now or later, but developed a container. to bring everything that I do into one place so that everyone can have it because there's nothing like this out there. I have looked, I have tried, you know, being an intuitive empath. You have to look one place for one book, this for another person. And what I have worked on for four or five years is a container where literally everything that you need from movement to mindset to spirituality is in one place. One place, not 12. Lyndsay Soprano (16:02.004) Yep, love that. And we are, that's the tease because we want people to keep listening. Keep listening, keep listening. Exclusive, it's true, it isn't exclusive and it's just for you guys, so keep on listening. But yeah, and it is true because we have all of the things. There are all these bloody tools and it's like, okay, I don't know what's right for me. I don't know where to find this. I don't know if this is legit. I don't know how great that is. And it's always all of this, I'm constantly researching. Jennifer Pilates (16:07.094) Keep listening, because there's a big huge, an exclusive that's coming. It is an exclusive. Lyndsay Soprano (16:28.928) A lot of that is for the show, but through that, then I'm finding people like yourself and I'm like, well, I need to know what the hell this is all about. You know, like, what did she do to me? Like my email said, what did you do? And it's legit. And in fact, one of my girlfriends who's who's basically my partner in crime on the show, she was like the next morning I woke up, I'm like, I am a P4. She's like, I've known you for three years and you've never been lower than like a P6. And that's legit, because I basically live in a P6. And she's like, it's because you met with Jennifer. And I was like, my God, you're right. Like everything started to fall into place and my intentions and all of the things that we set prior to it. It's just so incredible to hold space for myself and then also trying to learn how to hold space for the other people in my life that are helping to support the healing that we're going through, because that's just absolutely crazy work. So can you talk a little bit about what being intuitive is, what being an intuitive medium is all about? For those of you that don't know anything about this, that maybe this is the first time you've ever heard about any of the woo, right, which we're trying not to say, we don't want to alienate people. We don't want people to be afraid of it, right? Woo being true, moving from woo to true, because it is. I mean, you can't, there's so much science behind all of this too. It's it's nuts. Can you talk to us a little bit about that? Jennifer Pilates (17:49.459) For sure. And for me, know, you know, I like, kind of despise the word woo. I despise, I absolutely despise the word psychic. I like to look at myself as the person who brings the grounded practical energy of spirituality so that people feel comfortable. They feel grounded and they're like. Lyndsay Soprano (17:53.821) I know. Jennifer Pilates (18:06.789) Okay, now I understand. So for anyone that might have just had a moment, I've got you because I'm you. It's so, you know, being intuitive, honestly, every person on the planet is intuitive. It's up to you if you choose to tap into it. So an intuitive nudge could be like, I don't know why, but I have this sense I need to go to Target today. Lyndsay Soprano (18:13.374) Yeah Jennifer Pilates (18:30.073) That's being intuitive. There's this shirt that you've always wanted on sale or whatever it is, right? Like it can be something that basic to all of a sudden you're at the airport, you're about to board the plane and you're like, no, can't do it. That would be a little bigger level, right? And that's a bigger level and that takes time to get there. And I work with clients on that on how you can work with your intuitive muscle. Lyndsay Soprano (18:44.756) Yeah. Yeah, a little bit! Jennifer Pilates (18:56.923) It's no different than working with your mindset and that muscle, working with your abdominals. It is a muscle that you're working on, which is trusting yourself and being in flow and aligning with the universe. So just to bring that practicality is one, you have it. Whomever you are listening, you have it. You can choose to deny it and poo poo it and that you can drink it away. You can eat it away. You can spend it away. A lot of people do that because It can be very overwhelming until you understand the superpower that is within and that empowerment that is within you within whatever intuitive aspect that you have. When we add the word intuitive medium, which I use a lot, again, a grounding sense to the word intuitive that for me particular is because the medium side of it is that I do work with spirit. I do work with those that have passed over a lot. And I've done that all my life. I mean, I can remember being very young and I love to hang out in a cemetery Loved it now keyword, but now see mine is now in the past present is in the past sense. Okay Now I have been through so much in my life I don't need to go hang out in the cemetery. I bless every cemetery I pass but no Lyndsay Soprano (20:03.825) Love it. Mmm. Jennifer Pilates (20:19.209) Because I tend to attract all that still want to cross over. And I've had major experiences with that, especially being down in the South. Two years ago, it was incredibly overwhelming for me. And I was like, get me the hell out of here. I can't handle this. now, year and a half later, I'm back and the energy has completely changed. Coincidence? I think not. But you know, right? Like I helped clear a lot out. Lyndsay Soprano (20:25.024) Mmm. Jennifer Pilates (20:48.677) as do a lot of other people. So being that intuitive medium, it's the practice of, yes, I talk to spirit, I hear spirit, I see things, smell things, I have all the clairs, it's all of that. Everyone is gonna put their own spin on what they wanna call themselves that has the gifts. And that's okay, mean, find what works for you. I've gone down various paths and for me, it's always been the word intuitive. because intuitive has a lot of power to it. Every person is intuitive. Again, coming back to that grounded practicality sense, I always say as much as I like to ride off on my unicorn, which by the way, I have a life size and I'll show her to you if you want. I also, it is super important that A plus B equals C. And so for me, like as an example, even last night, all of a sudden, bam, super nauseous. My stomach was in knots and I was like, holy shit, there's a major earthquake that's about to come. That has been my new sign that I've been given for earthquakes. The old sign was too much for me. And so I said, it's too much. need something new. So now it's like this ridiculous amount of nausea. And based on the nausea, I can figure out sort of where it's at located. And based on what I felt last night, I was like, OK, it's on this side of the coast. It's not on the West Coast. so there's just all sorts of different ways that you can work with your own intuitiveness, as well as working with a mentor, you know, to help you to understand it. And I totally highly recommend that. I mean, every healer has a healer. Every spiritual advisor has an advisor, has a mentor to help you walk the path because, know, two decades later, please, can I save you two decades? You know, there wasn't a book, there wasn't anything. I had to stumble and figure out everything. I had clients coming into my Pilates studio in pain, leaving feeling great, and all of sudden I'm on the floor in their pain. I didn't know what that was about. Now, let's add in the word intuitive empath, because I'm, you know, like my friends always say, you're the master empath. Like you feel everything 100 times more in like four days. Lyndsay Soprano (22:52.48) Yeah. Jennifer Pilates (23:04.263) five days before everyone else. Like it just is the way that it is, you know, and again, it's a superpower, but the key is needing to understand that it is your superpower and how to work with it. Because if not, it does, it can be very debilitating. A lot of empaths will say, is it a blessing or is it a curse? And I went through that stage. and now I'm like, hell no. Like I, that is my superpower. And it always has been, it's just that I didn't know even as a young child, there were things that I said. Lyndsay Soprano (23:22.24) Yeah, yeah. Jennifer Pilates (23:34.321) or you know warnings that I gave that she talks too much right you go back to every report card as a child talks too much talks too much talks much you know what I say you all probably should have listened yes Lyndsay Soprano (23:43.792) Yeah, I talked out of attention, was mine, disruptive in class. I was like, I already finished all of this homework like three days ago. Okay, I'm bored. And a lot of that was, definitely, as a young kid, as you were speaking, I'm just like, I'm thinking of all the times where I felt super, I always used to say that I was in Wicca, that I was Wicca. There were things like that I could control in nature and there was all that I had this like. Jennifer Pilates (23:52.349) Mm-hmm. Jennifer Pilates (24:08.937) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (24:09.448) I lived in a place called Ida Wilde, very briefly. I was at a performing arts school up there in Ida Wilde and some pretty terrible stuff happened to all of us up there. And it was crazy, but this whole group of people that we always felt very connected to the earth and to spirit and to all of that. And we kind of went into that like wiccan kind of a phase of things where we were doing things like that. Not that I'm comparing that to what you're talking about at all, but. having that sense of the heaviness and being able to feel things that other people don't and see things that potentially people don't others see. I used to see ghosts all the time. People didn't believe me. I'm like, do you not see the sobbing boy wearing glasses in my dorm room right now? Cause I do, you know, like there was crazy stuff that happened back then and I didn't know what to do with any of that. And I think that a lot of it, can we say that going with like our gut feeling, like we always say women's intuition where we've got that innately in us. Jennifer Pilates (24:42.812) Mm-hmm. Jennifer Pilates (24:48.413) Mm-hmm. Jennifer Pilates (24:54.77) Right. Lyndsay Soprano (25:03.678) Right? And so many times we don't go with our gut and then what ends up happening? That's exactly, that's exactly right. well, breaks loose. Exactly. Well, I can't wait to see if there's actually an earthquake, because this is going to be really interesting. I'm promising you that. Jennifer Pilates (25:04.123) Mm-hmm. Right. all hell breaks loose. Jennifer Pilates (25:18.057) Yeah, no, can promise you. On top of a few other things that I can tell you, I dropped in my podcast. I think you heard the prediction one that I did, which I rarely, rarely, like I'll do predictions quietly, privately with clients. I never put that out on a podcast, but that one I was guided to do. And then four hours later, there was a big piece that happened out of that one. So. Lyndsay Soprano (25:25.779) I dead. I dead. Lyndsay Soprano (25:40.476) This is crazy. so, okay, so when you're working with, I mean, we all talk about, we talk about nervous system regulation on this show all of the time that it is a piece of trauma recovery. How does the work that you do in the energy world help with the nervous system regulation and resetting it and helping us truly kind of get through, get our system out of this fight or flight that we're constantly in, especially when we live in chronic pain? Jennifer Pilates (26:07.081) Right? And I, you know, and I know it all too well. The first whole decade of my life was all fight or flight. That's how I lived. You know, that's from a child, you know, for so long. And it's not to say that we don't dip in and out of it, because we do, but you know, what's important is always getting to the root. getting to the root cause of everything. we, and particularly when I work with my clients, like that's where I zone into. And a lot of my clients will say, Jesus, you know, being with you is like in an hour is like 10 years worth of fricking therapy. Like you just don't, like you just go for it. And I'm like, exactly, because we want to get in there and we want to excavate exactly that root cause. And then we want to fill that with what we really want to be there. And so when we can do that, that's when the nervous system begins to call. And here's the misconception that a lot of people have is, and because, know, nervous system regulation has been like a buzzword, what the last handful of years, and they think, I'm to go do breath work or I'm going to go do this and, I'm going to feel great and magically. Well, I have to tell you the truth. Nine times out of 10, your fight or flight is going to rise before it releases. And a lot of people don't tell you that. that, you know, based on the session that you're going into. Now, when I work with clients, there's a little something special that I do so that it doesn't have to rise, so that you don't have to go into more anxiety, more fight or flight. So that is something special that I am able to help clients through so that we don't have to. But in general, I want people to understand when you're going out there and you're doing something, it is going to intensify before it releases. So you're not crazy. There's that. But for me, it's all about Jennifer Pilates (27:52.425) You know like talking to you Lindsay understanding what's going on and because I am an intuitive and I can scan the body and I can see More than the average bear I feel more than the average bear so I'm like, okay. I know what she's telling me, but I really know what's deeper in that onion However, I also meet you where you're at See, I don't just say well if we do X Y & will be better No, no, I have I walk this path with you because they honor your journey and honor your healing because it's your experience experiences of what shape you. It's your experience that's going to heal you. So instead of going and looking for the band-aid or the pill or the magic breath work or the even whatever, when I meet you where you're at and I guide you through, that's the key to living that empowered life from within. And that took years for me to understand. I was always looking for just get me out of this. I don't want to feel this. I don't want to feel this. I don't want to be in my body. Now I understand and help clients that let's feel through this and release it. You don't have to hold on to it. It's just meant to come through you. And that's also something that a lot of people don't understand. They've been labeled something. So now that's who they are. No, that's not who you are. It's something that you're experiencing in this moment in time. Now, if you continue to experience it, that's now because you're holding onto it. which is now causing blockages of energy within the body, which is now bringing out dis-ease. If we continue to hold on to it and not feel through it and really dig deep, well, that's when we get into disease. So the key is really getting to the root cause of something, really hanging with it for a moment and feeling through it and then saying, are you okay to release it? Are you okay to not hold that anymore because you don't need to? And sometimes that's the part that can take a little bit of time. Lyndsay Soprano (29:54.57) Jan, you spoke earlier about trust. And I think that when you have been jaded, like so many of us in the chronic pain world, to all the doctors, all of the things have been sliced open, re-sliced open, closed up again, over and over and over again, and poked and prodded and nerve blocks here and this there and these rubs and these creams and these supplements and all of these things. I'm just like, Jesus God. Like we have all done all these things, like you just said, to get out of pain. I don't want to be in this pain anymore, but I'm not going to get that with just taking a pill. I'm not going to get that by drinking my Prosecco, even though I love it so very much. You know, I'm not going to get it from having sex all over the place with whoever I want to, gambling all of my money away, eating it away, all of the things. And those are the places that we end up going down in those dark and twisty places because we are too afraid to trust this kind of healing. And I've always been a little bit over trustworthy to a certain extent. And then I got slammed with safety issues. And so safety issues kind of put me back into like, don't trust very many people closet. So for me to come out of it and be willing and open to, not that I was ever, I'm not gonna use, not that I was ever not interested in the energy healing or didn't believe in quantum leaps and all of this. for sure I did far more than Jesus. And, but I, I was in that box, like you were talking about earlier, where at corporate America gave me 401k, was in the, well, you've got to go to your pain doctor, you've got to make sure you have this doctor, you got to do, not one of them has done anything good for me, not one. Jennifer Pilates (31:34.313) When is the last time you have ever walked into a doctor's office, you have explained your situation, and they said, tell me about what you're eating. Tell me about your sleeping patterns. me about your movements. Never. No. No. And there's a whole podcast behind why they don't. But so if they aren't, Lyndsay Soprano (31:53.152) No, they don't do it. Jennifer Pilates (32:04.111) then you aren't in a health system, you're in a drug system. And your doctor is now your drug dealer. Now, by the way, this is coming from someone who the first half of her life was on more medication than you can ever imagine, was seeing more doctors than you can ever. I mean, hot mess, autoimmune disease, couldn't breathe after 6 p.m. without an steroid inhaler. To fast forward the second half of my life, I only take whole food Capsules, I don't take vitamins. I have whole food capsules. I use light therapy patches, which you know about my Reiki healing my Pilates movement. That's it. Like I don't I'm nothing Nothing nothing Lyndsay Soprano (32:45.6) Yeah, because I have cabinets full of all this stuff and I look at them every day and I'm like I've spent thousands and thousands and more than that on all these things and I just don't like taking 3,000 supplements in a day. I just don't like doing this and I know that I have Lyme disease. I know that I have infections. I know that there's things that need to be killed in my body. I know a lot of it is being hung on to by all these parasites that are still living in my energy fields too. So Jennifer Pilates (32:49.459) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (33:13.235) Can we move into now the healing side? I really wanna talk about the Reiki distant healing that you did for me and how that actually works a little bit. And then I'd like to get into your light therapy patches because it's really, really interesting and fascinating. Jennifer Pilates (33:28.325) Mm-hmm. Yeah, so the Reiki distant healing we did is a container that twice a month around the new moon and the full moon I hold and it's a group container of Reiki lunar distant healing and so Everyone goes and signs up During the sign up I ask what is your intention? It's that easy. What do you want to let go? And then you have an option to share anything else you'd like or not like with me and it's a 30-minute Reiki distant energy exchange. All you have to do, there's no zoom, there's no tech, there's no nothing. It's always at 7pm Eastern Standard Time. Ideally, you're in a comfortable spot where you can lay down or just relax. You can be sitting outside, you can be journaling, you could, you know, pull over in your car. You don't have to go to sleep by any means. The energy will automatically come to you. And the way that the container works behind the scenes is I work with every individual who signs up. I limit the amount of people that can sign up because of the integrity of the energy that's being exchanged. I work with each individual. We work on a group collective level because not only, and I don't know if I share this with you, Lindsay, does that healing, for instance, so when Lindsay had hers, Lindsay is also in California and I... ask the town and the state of where you are because that healing then goes out past you and goes to a certain amount of miles within and around. So at that point, those containers are literally healing globally. And that was something that I've worked up to. So for years, we had you in California. I remember we had someone in Germany. We had a bunch more people around the United States, someone in Mexico. So when I step back afterwards and I go, wow, like, Geez, I always talk to God like, geez, yeah, I'm really excited to heal the world. I'm like, sometimes I don't realize the impact. And so it made it so much more special when after that session, so you do what you do, I do what I do for those 30 minutes, you just come out of it. And that's what most people tell me. When those 30 minutes are out, the way that I have it programmed, the way that we go through the body is that you will just come out of it. And then that energy. Jennifer Pilates (35:45.801) will continue. Now when you work with me, it continues to integrate for the next 72 hours. So I always tell people, pay attention to aha moments, pay attention to suddenly, you you're feeling lighter. How are you feeling? Journal, hydrate, because there's still so much more to come. It's an Lyndsay Soprano (36:02.666) Now pay attention to walking to the end of the pyramid back and going, why did that just happen? And then being like, my goodness, you've got to be kidding me. Jennifer Pilates (36:07.081) Right. Yes, this isn't a band-aid. This isn't just 30 minutes of like, woo, it's not, right? But like we're both like trying not to say like, it's not. It's so much more than that. That is just the beginning. And so it has really, and it was something I was guided to do. I will tell you this, for years I, like for years I hid my spiritual advisor, Jennifer in my readings. Lyndsay Soprano (36:17.109) Woo woo! Jennifer Pilates (36:35.655) For years I hid my Reiki energy work. I didn't want to touch people. didn't want to do anything, nothing. And there was an episode, well, there was a situation that happened. I was with a family member in Target and she hurt herself, I know, right, Target. And I can't even tell you last time I was on a Target. This was in Florida years ago. She fell to the ground, couldn't move, had hurt her ankle, like, you know, seeing stars the whole nine yards. And it was like somebody came over my body and just started doing this healing on her. Lyndsay Soprano (36:48.256) and target. Jennifer Pilates (37:05.897) And within five minutes, she looked at me and she was like, stop. And I like backed off and I was like, what happened? Are you okay? She was like, I don't feel anything. And I'm like, you don't feel your body? And she was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't feel any. I'm like, what the hell happened? She's like, no, no, no, I don't. She's like, I know. She's like, I don't, I don't feel any pain. And now, meanwhile, people have started to gather. She stands up, has a sip of water and is like, okay, let's go shopping. We should have been, I mean, Lyndsay Soprano (37:18.657) You're paralyzed? my god! my god, I did this wrong! Lyndsay Soprano (37:32.831) good. Jennifer Pilates (37:35.579) And this is somebody who notorious sprained ankles, notorious broken toes. And I was like, whoa. And so it was, know, so the universe and God and angels, they had to work with me on this to be confident and enough to share. And so it was, I forget when, but guided that these containers needed to come up. And so we've been doing them twice a month, new moon, full moon. It's been received so wonderfully well. It just makes me so happy. And it's just a great opportunity to experience something where you feel a sense of control, particularly if you're trying something new. And you might go, huh, all right, well, I wanna do like the new moon. Like someone said, well, is it different on the new and the full moon? Yes. Every single new moon and every single full moon each month, the energy and what's gonna transpire within you is completely different because I work with the lunar phase of that moment, which means I'm also working with the how the planets and the astrology are at that moment. So everyone is different. Lyndsay Soprano (38:40.16) Yeah, I was going to ask specifically why the lunar cycle is part of the system here. Why the moon? Jennifer Pilates (38:44.009) Mm-hmm. for me. Why the moon? So I'm a moon girl. love moons, I love moon goddess. I'm a star, moons and stars kind of girl. And there's so much power and healing energy around the moons. And I've always been so in tune with the moon energy. So that's my thing. Someone else may pick something completely different. It may only be portals every month that they're working with. But for me, it's a moon. is always steadfast. She's always there. And regardless of what calendar cycle we're in, because we're cyclical beings. So as long as we're sticking with the moon and we're sticking by her, it doesn't matter the date. It doesn't matter the month because in my personal opinion, the months are wrong. The dates are all inaccurate. That's another podcast. But if I, yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (39:37.61) Yeah, for sure. I'm like, I don't even know how old we actually really are. Jennifer Pilates (39:40.985) We don't need to and that's another podcast why we shouldn't be celebrating numbers. But when we stick, right, right, totally. But when we stick with the energies of the moon, that's how we're always supposed to be living. So it's realigning. You know, it's not just taglines that I use. This is realigning. This is bringing you back to yourself so that you truly can feel and you felt it empowered within. Lyndsay Soprano (39:46.068) We've already had three new other podcasts here today. Lyndsay Soprano (40:09.024) 100 % and it was neat. felt I was like honey I'm going upstairs and I'm doing an energy healing and he's like, okay, he's not in the you know support world um But what we're seeing is he started to move Because he's like wait a second You're not doing any of the things that I've told you that you should be doing because they're you know They haven't been working like no they haven't been working. So we're not doing that anymore Not banging my head up against the wall and going why is my head still bleeding? Hello Jennifer Pilates (40:37.221) Right, right. Lyndsay Soprano (40:38.63) And so now he's starting to really embrace on behalf of me. He's not getting totally into it himself, but he's like, I don't care how much money we have to spend on this. Let's just do it because this is amazing. Just witnessing the walking on the pier was a big moment for the two of us. You know, we both were like, whoa, like totally crying. yeah. Jennifer Pilates (40:57.341) And it was such a moment for me. literally, Lindsay, I have to tell you this. When you sent me that email, I got it that, I'm gonna cry again. I got it that night. And I just started bawling. And my friend comes running into the room and he's like, my God, who died? And I'm like, my God, you just sent me the most amazing email that you just don't understand. Like, you don't, I don't always hear back from people. And I'm okay with that, right? Like that's, we were. Lyndsay Soprano (41:03.232) You Lyndsay Soprano (41:06.889) Yeah, it was really neat. Lyndsay Soprano (41:13.022) No, someone's alo- Lyndsay Soprano (41:18.24) Yeah. Well, we were really pulled to each other, just generally speaking. So it was like there was no chance I wasn't gonna be letting you know, because I was like, I had to really think about it, I to take my brain away from it for a minute and then put my soul in there and slipped around afterwards. But what ended up happening is I went upstairs, I laid down, I actually put my headphones on, and I just put on a really neat like... Jennifer Pilates (41:26.93) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (41:44.224) healing music, you know, in the background just so I had just something so I wasn't neurological disaster me going all over the place thinking about other things. I wanted to be there now in that moment with you and with whoever else was doing the healing with me. And I just got lighter and lighter and lighter feeling. ended up feeling light and then I ended up drifting off to sleep for an hour and a half, which like I don't sleep all that well. So for me to be able to do that. And I came to and I was like, my. Jennifer Pilates (41:52.903) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (42:12.864) goodness, what the heck is going on? I felt incredible. And all I did was just lay there. I didn't do anything except for have my arms open and my heart and my spirit open ready for you. And that was part of my intention, as you know. But it was really, really neat. So incredibly fascinating to me that it works, which is why I want to talk about your light therapy patches, because it sounds... Jennifer Pilates (42:19.901) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (42:39.462) so insanely ridiculous when you hear white therapy patches, right? And I thought the same thing. So I wanna talk a little bit about what that is, especially for empaths and trauma survivors and those living in chronic pain. And then we'll kind of wrap things up here. Jennifer Pilates (42:41.162) Right. Jennifer Pilates (42:51.785) Right, so light therapy patches are, they should be in every intuitive empath toolbox. And I've talked about this for years. I've worn them for, I'm now going on 16 years. And so the company is 20 years old and I'll have one here because I can't spin around because of the situation that I'm in. But so they look like this. Lyndsay Soprano (43:11.818) They're like little circle patches for those of you that aren't sane. Jennifer Pilates (43:12.915) They're little circle things. If I take off the little thing so you can see this aspect of it, right? So the little white part here. So, you know, maybe like a 50 cent piece. I probably just aged myself. They're not even that big, right? And you just place, that's right, there's no numbers. You place them on certain areas on your body. Now, what light therapy does is that we think, I want you to think of yourself, you are a human being, right? Lyndsay Soprano (43:26.314) There's no numbers, honey, remember, no numbers, no numbers. Jennifer Pilates (43:41.543) And within your body, you have your own infrared light system. And so when the patch goes on the body, your infrared light reflects to the patch. The patch then takes your infrared light and reflects specific wavelengths back to your body so that it begins regenerating your stem cells. So let's Lyndsay Soprano (44:10.24) easy. Jennifer Pilates (44:11.249) So, now look, people spend hundreds of millions of thousands of dollars to go to Mexico, to go to, you know, who knows where. Now, and here's what no one realizes. Guess who stem cells generally they give you. I don't want 50 year old stem cells. I want brand new stem cells. Thank you. Lyndsay Soprano (44:17.354) Yep. Yep. Lyndsay Soprano (44:27.316) I want little baby Jesus stem cells. Jennifer Pilates (44:28.457) I want baby Jesus to themselves. And that's right. And that's what the patches do. So not only are we regenerating at a cellular level, we're decreasing inflammation. When we decrease inflammation, we decrease disease and pain within the body. We can reset the nervous system in under 15 minutes. So from the individual who used to live off of Xanax, by the way, they gave it out back East, like it was freaking, you know, Lyndsay Soprano (44:44.736) Mm-hmm. Jennifer Pilates (44:58.185) M &Ms. I don't even know the last time I've had a zamp. I mean, it's been so freaking long because I just use the patches. I also don't go... The only time I go overboard with anxiety is if I have to get on a plane. And I really have to work with myself and that's a lack of control and I know and I've worked on it and it's just a thing. And so for me, I personally enjoy driving everywhere. I love the journey. Lyndsay Soprano (45:06.26) crazy. Lyndsay Soprano (45:13.076) Yeah, join the club. Yes. Jennifer Pilates (45:27.079) I'm not about the destination. And so, and I also like the control of being in my car and in my own germs and my own space and so on and so forth. But back to the light pair, light therapy patches. These little suckers are so amazing. Good night's sleep. So I put one here when I go to sleep. Right now in the daytime, I have one behind my neck and one just below my belly button. And so not only does it do exactly whatever else I was speaking of, it also works with blocking EMFs. Lyndsay Soprano (45:27.082) Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (45:34.194) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jennifer Pilates (45:57.033) 5G and radiation. So when you look at the world of which we live in, of which the world is splitting, and we have those that are all about walking into 15 minute cities and in smart cities and all the jazz, and if that's for you, that's awesome. We also then have a lot of us that are like, we now know what all of those. Lyndsay Soprano (45:58.312) Hmm interesting Jennifer Pilates (46:23.077) electromagnetics due to the body, to the brain, to the organs, and it's not good, right? It's like living in a microwave. So you have a slice of society, you have a slice of earth, a different earth over here where people are moving away from all of that. So there will be communities where, sure, you're going to have the internet and you're going to have all that, but it's not going to be the way that the other world is doing it. And so to be able to use a patch to know like, okay, this is really helping me ground. I'm releasing the inflammation. It's releasing the parasites and helping to flush the toxins out of your body. You know, it's so imperative because when we look at any autoimmune disease and I should hashtag, I don't want to trigger anyone, but I'm going to. When we look at autoimmune disease, it all comes from inflammation. It doesn't matter if you've been labeled. because this is a label. If you've been labeled Lyme, MS, asthma, anxiety, whatever it is, it all comes from inflammation, which yes, there are parasites. And so when we can decrease the inflammation, your parasites begin to die off and whatever once you were told you were or you had suddenly energetically shifts. because you are now healing at that cellular level. So when you take the Reiki energy healing and you couple that with the light therapy healing, it's a world unto itself. Lyndsay Soprano (48:01.76) Well, there's absolutely, I don't know about all of you guys, but I'm like, it's time because I'm just sitting here thinking about my cabinets right now. As you're saying like of all the things, all the things, all these supplements, all things like I mentioned earlier, it's just like insane. It's really cute. Is that a cigarette holder but for patches? Jennifer Pilates (48:17.319) You, yeah, this is what I have. I have a wallet of patches. Jennifer Pilates (48:26.473) It's actually one of those old school business. Everyone remember business cards? It was a business card thing. So the reason that it's in a metal case is because I can travel with it because the moment that you hold it in your hand, it begins to activate. You don't even have to put it on your body. It will activate. The other cool thing, and I didn't mention this and I do want to mention it because I'm a firm mama and I know you are as well. The patches my kiddies have been wearing these two for 10 years. My first kitty for well, 10 out of his 19 years. Lyndsay Soprano (48:29.429) business cards. Yes, everyone does. Lyndsay Soprano (48:39.97) wow. Jennifer Pilates (48:56.399) These can go right onto your animals. So the exact healing you're giving yourself and the exact detox and stem cell rejuvenation you can give to your animals as well. Now, if an animal is not well, is sick, absolutely a brand new patch. If they're completely healthy, but we just want them to be healthier, then they can get your used patch. So when you take your patch off, 12 hours on, 12 hours off at the end of the day, I always say keep them in a baggie, place it on your animal. You will, especially if you have any animal that has anxiety around storms or travel or glaucoma, the, it's amazing the results that we've seen with animals with the patches. So it's just, you know, I have my whole food capsules and I have my patches and like, those are my necessities. Like what's in your bug out bag? yeah. And some kiddie food. Lyndsay Soprano (49:50.75) And some kitty food again. Food for me, no, but my dog's definitely being fed. Jennifer Pilates (49:53.713) Yeah, I don't care about my... Well, because see, I don't need food because my whole food capsules, you can live off of that. That's my fruit, that's my vegetables, that's my omegas that are plant-based, so no mercury. That's all my antioxidants, so that is my food because it's all freeze-dried and put into a capsule. So that is my food. Lyndsay Soprano (50:11.434) which is my dream because I don't love to eat as everybody that listens to this show knows. Jennifer Pilates (50:15.113) I struggle. I'm not a foodie. I'm a tourist and how I'm not a foodie. I don't know. I'm a sweetie. I like sweets, but I'm not a foodie. I could go all day and I could care less about eating. It's not my thing. Lyndsay Soprano (50:27.39) I literally can go three, four days, it doesn't even matter to me. I'm like, well, fine. I guess I gotta put something in my body, you know? Jennifer Pilates (50:30.697) Yeah. yeah. Yeah, no, I'm not a foodie. So when I look at it by taking those whole food capsules, I already have the above and beyond the bare minimum. Especially right before you even put food in. So if I don't put food in, I'm still okay. If I do put food in, I'm doubling up on whatever. So yeah, I mean, like you, mean, life has to be simple. It needs to be easy. I'm not a crazy person about being organic, but I do like organic. I'm an 80, 20 person. Lyndsay Soprano (50:42.836) things that we're supposed to be getting, right. Jennifer Pilates (51:00.829) you when it comes to food and working out or anything else, you know, you've got to have your moments. got, mean, I am a Dunkin' Donuts girl. You know, anybody that knows me, knows me like medium decaf, cream and sugar. And you know, I'm going to need some munchkins and you damn well better have jelly. Like that's my jam is jelly munchkins. Lyndsay Soprano (51:09.418) I read that somewhere, that's funny. Lyndsay Soprano (51:20.192) Literally that's your jam. Jelly is my jam. Jelly's the new jam. my god, you're so funny. Jennifer Pilates (51:25.065) Jelly is my jam. So with that being, but if, like, you know, I want people to know that it's not about perfection, but it is about doing the best that you can. I always say, when you know better, then that's when you need to do better. And if you're not doing better at that point, hey, there's nothing I can do. And that's why I always say I meet people where they're at. And I always talk to people ahead of time because I'll know if you're really ready or not. Lyndsay Soprano (51:41.184) Hmm. like that. Lyndsay Soprano (51:52.362) Yeah, ready or not, here she comes. So, all right, so we've got some exclusive, we mentioned it in the beginning as a little teaser about the Empowered Within Collective. So can we talk about that, where you're gonna meet us where we are and what the first steps are that somebody can take to access this? Jennifer Pilates (51:54.373) Yeah. Jennifer Pilates (52:13.531) Okay, so I am first of all, like over the moon excited about this. This is the container that I've been working on for four or five years. And some of it honestly has just been me being in my own way, being in my own head and not always being able to drop into my heart or when I was, then I was afraid to be seen. And so what I've done is I've developed the Empowered Within Collective, which is a beautiful container where you can come for truly all of the movement that you need. all of the mindset that you need, connecting and understanding your spiritual path. And so there's a huge library of on-demand, not just Pilates videos, but Pilates Fusion, Pilates Reiki. So everything is infused with Reiki. Then there's specific meditations, specific Reiki meditations. There's somatic Pilates healing, which is my most amazing four-week program. that is so over the top healing. It's unbelievable. That's in there. We have other experts. have all of their curated information of different behind the scenes interviews that I've done of bringing people in or things that aren't going to be out on the regular podcast will be in there. I'm trying to think of all the other stuff. There's the empowered within hour. So once a month we'll be meeting and within that zoom, it's the only time we do a zoom because I'm not a huge zoom person. That's when we'll have a curated conversation and what I'm feeling that needs to be brought to the plate, we'll bring to the plate for everyone to know what's going on energetically. What do we need to talk about? Who has questions? You might get a mini reading, you might get a mini coaching session. This is our time to come together as a collective and to meet and greet and to build community. And then there's plenty more past that. That's all I can remember off the top of my head right now. So, Lyndsay Soprano (54:06.314) We don't want to give it all away. Jennifer Pilates (54:07.441) I know I don't want to give it all away. You got to go and like look, because there is other, there's tons of other stuff. So how, and this is an exclusive. I haven't announced this anywhere. I haven't even told my people. All they know, did you get the email this morning was I dropped, there's something huge coming. And I've been saying this, but now I'm really saying it. So you are the first people to know about this. So here's the dealio. This is a huge container for me to do. Lyndsay Soprano (54:23.338) Yes. Yes. Jennifer Pilates (54:34.233) This is an opportunity for you to come in to be with truly the collective that wants to be empowered within. So you'll have an opportunity to come in with special founders pricing because you are listening here with Lindsay and I. So here's what you're going to do. You're going to head over to Jennifer Pilates dot com and you are going to click on the empowered within collective. You'll get all the details and you'll see that you'll have two options. There's a quarterly option and then there's a yearly option. Both are, as my girlfriend said, are you sure you want, are you okay with this price point? And I said yes, because this is about allowing it to be accessible for everyone. This is founder pricing. It is not going to last. So you want to go over to jenniferpleys.com. You want to get in at this while you can because it will, it will go up. But for right now, I want everyone to have the experience. So every month, yes, there's new, oh, there's also pop-up live classes that I'm gonna do. And I don't even know when they're gonna be, but like, I don't wanna tell people. There's so, surprise, I'm at the beach and now we're doing a live meditation. Like there's, this is the opportunity for me to be me. I'm not the perfect Pilates instructor. I'm not just spiritual advisor Jennifer. Lyndsay Soprano (55:46.528) surprise them in your backyard at your front door. Lyndsay Soprano (55:56.288) in Jennifer Pilates (56:00.625) I'm not just your light therapy girl. I'm all of this. Don't ask me who I am or what I do. I don't know what to answer. All I can say is I am the person that is gonna meet you where you are to help you on your spiritual path where you're at so that you don't have to stumble like I did for decades. Lyndsay Soprano (56:20.522) Well, I couldn't have said it any better. That was awesome. Well, I can't wait to get involved in it because of, I'm already starting to get involved in other ways as well. So this is gonna be so incredible. Thank you for giving us that exclusive that is incredibly sweet of you and wonderful for my audience in particular. We do not call it anymore on the show, right? Jennifer Pilates (56:42.537) What's wrong with spiritual? Lyndsay Soprano (56:44.362) I don't know, I don't know, cause I guess it sounds more religious to some people maybe. I don't know, everybody's got their shit, man. Jennifer Pilates (56:51.867) Everyone's got shit, but Woo is so ridiculous. It scares me away. I don't want to work with a witch. No! Lyndsay Soprano (56:54.922) Well, because it scares people away, I think at this point. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the Wiccan side of me that we briefly spoke of, okay? Well, you can find her everywhere. You can find her on Insta and Facebook, Jennifer Pilates, all over the place. She's on LinkedIn. Like she mentioned, go to jenniferpilates.com. You can click on the Empower Within Collective and get yourself signed up. You can do the quarterly, you can do the annually. Don't pass out because the price is so low. It's not because Jennifer Pilates (57:04.689) Mm-hmm, right? Lyndsay Soprano (57:25.056) It's amazingly low for you guys, that's all. So thank you so much for being here today. Is there anything you'd to let us leave us with before we hit the dusty trail? Jennifer Pilates (57:35.345) I would say this because something just kind of like bubbled up. I want everyone to know that you are safe and you are exactly where you need to be in this moment in time. Don't rush it. Just be. Lyndsay Soprano (57:55.028) I like that, the don't rush it thing. Yeah, because we rush to healing and then the process we end up hurting ourselves. That's what I certainly have found. Beautifully said. And what a great episode. Thank you so much for your time with us. It was so much fun, just like I thought it was going to be. Jennifer Pilates (58:03.113) Yeah. Jennifer Pilates (58:09.635) thank you. I'm so excited. This has been a blast. I'm so psyched. Lyndsay Soprano (58:12.178) All right. Well, great. Thanks, Jen. And we will talk with you soon. That is for sure. You guys are exclusively invited to share the safe and empowered within VIP pain journey together. Let's get to the heart of how to heal with you by mine and Jennifer's side. Please follow the pain game podcast wherever you digest your podcast content. We will be there. Visit us at the pain game podcast dot com and follow us on all the socials. Thanks for listening. My little VIPs catch you on the other side.