Latest / Hurdle with Emily Abbate / 359. Becoming Your Best Self: How To Write Your Own Blueprint, Trust Your Gut & Meet The Moment With Coach Diljeet Taylor
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- 0:00Speaker 1: It's not what are we chasing, it's who are we becoming?
- 0:03Speaker 1: Who do you want to becolm.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily a body here.
- 0:21Speaker 3: You are listening to Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where
- 0:25Speaker 3: I talk to inspirational people about everything from their highest
- 0:28Speaker 3: ties and toughest moments to essential tips to live a healthier, happier,
- 0:32Speaker 3: more motivated life. We all go through our fair share
- 0:36Speaker 3: of hurdles. My goal through these discussions is to empower
- 0:39Speaker 3: you to better navigate yours and move with intention so
- 0:42Speaker 3: that you can stride towards your own big potential and
- 0:45Speaker 3: of course have some fun along the way. For this
- 0:50Speaker 3: week's episode, I am talking to coach del Gee Taylor.
- 0:54Speaker 3: She's the head coach for Brigham Young University's women's cross
- 0:57Speaker 3: country and track team and also coaches the professional athletes
- 1:01Speaker 3: at Swoosh t C in Utah. In this episode, del
- 1:05Speaker 3: g courageously shares her experiences growing up as a young
- 1:09Speaker 3: Indian woman in an environment where she rarely saw herself reflected.
- 1:14Speaker 3: She talks about the challenges of finding her own way
- 1:16Speaker 3: when the traditional roadmap didn't align with her aspirations, and
- 1:20Speaker 3: how deeply influential coaches were in her life from an
- 1:23Speaker 3: early age. We also dive into her significant role in
- 1:27Speaker 3: inspiring women for Nike's After Dark Race series and why
- 1:30Speaker 3: her recent trip to Mumbai for that event was so
- 1:34Speaker 3: profoundly meaningful. And as always, del Git offers her most
- 1:38Speaker 3: valuable advice for anyone facing their own hurdles and how
- 1:41Speaker 3: to find the strength to shine even when you're not
- 1:43Speaker 3: feeling your best. Make sure you are following along with
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- 1:56Speaker 3: It's absolutely free. The link to do that is in
- 1:59Speaker 3: the show notes. With that, let's get to it. Let's
- 2:03Speaker 3: get to hurdling.
- 2:15Speaker 2: Today.
- 2:16Speaker 3: I am sitting down with coach del g Taylor. Welcome
- 2:19Speaker 3: to Hurdle Coach Taylor. How are we doing today?
- 2:22Speaker 2: So good? Thanks for having me. Oh my god, thanks
- 2:24Speaker 2: for being here. I'm feeling hyped right now. I love it.
- 2:26Speaker 2: I'm just going to tell you, how are you doing? Really?
- 2:28Speaker 2: How are you feeling right now? I'm so good? I
- 2:31Speaker 2: love well.
- 2:32Speaker 1: I love southern California, So any chance to come back
- 2:35Speaker 1: to Cali is a good opportunity, but also just to
- 2:38Speaker 1: be a part of this weekend and yesterday kicking off,
- 2:41Speaker 1: just feeling a little bit of the energy coming into
- 2:43Speaker 1: After Dark Tour, being in Mumbai a couple of weeks
- 2:45Speaker 1: ago to really feel it.
- 2:47Speaker 2: Was just a good pre to this one.
- 2:50Speaker 1: So yeah, super humble in a way that this is
- 2:54Speaker 1: actually coming to fruition when we first talked about this
- 2:58Speaker 1: maybe several years ago, that this is something he was
- 3:00Speaker 1: interested in doing, and to now to really see it
- 3:04Speaker 1: come live. Yeah, and to be a part of it,
- 3:06Speaker 1: to have a piece in it, a small piece in it,
- 3:09Speaker 1: but yeah, nevertheless an important piece I.
- 3:11Speaker 2: Feel like in it is Yeah, it means a lot.
- 3:15Speaker 3: This is special. But tell me about why Mumbai was
- 3:17Speaker 3: special for you.
- 3:18Speaker 1: I didn't even realize the depth of what I would
- 3:22Speaker 1: feel showing up in Mumbai, but to be surrounded by
- 3:25Speaker 1: women who look exactly like me, that share a similar
- 3:29Speaker 1: story to mine, doing something that we weren't allowed to do,
- 3:33Speaker 1: we weren't encouraged to do, we weren't supposed to do.
- 3:36Speaker 2: I never thought in my.
- 3:37Speaker 1: Lifetime I would see that happen thousands and thousands of
- 3:40Speaker 1: women with similar stories to mine, that look like me
- 3:44Speaker 1: that now have a space and a sense of belonging
- 3:47Speaker 1: in sport.
- 3:48Speaker 2: Wow, it was so powerful.
- 3:50Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so cool and such a full circle moment
- 3:53Speaker 3: for you saying here, we didn't have these opportunities when
- 3:57Speaker 3: I was younger. Talk to me a little bit about
- 3:59Speaker 3: how running became an integral part to your life from
- 4:03Speaker 3: a young age.
- 4:05Speaker 1: Yeah, as a young Indian girl, you are born with
- 4:09Speaker 1: a blueprint for what your life is supposed to be like,
- 4:11Speaker 1: and it's been written for you, and your job is to.
- 4:15Speaker 2: Just follow the path. And I was struggling to find my.
- 4:22Speaker 1: Space as a young Indian girl in a classroom where
- 4:25Speaker 1: no one else looked like me. And I remember being
- 4:26Speaker 1: in fifth grade and having a race out on the
- 4:30Speaker 1: playground and I beat all the boys, and all of
- 4:33Speaker 1: a sudden, I was like, Wow, I love this.
- 4:36Speaker 2: This is so fun.
- 4:37Speaker 1: And at the same time, I had a teacher that
- 4:39Speaker 1: started asking me about what my dreams were and I
- 4:41Speaker 1: didn't understand that question because it wasn't something that anyone
- 4:44Speaker 1: had ever asked me. I thought my path in life
- 4:48Speaker 1: would be exactly what my parents wanted it to be,
- 4:50Speaker 1: and it would mimic what my mom and my aunt
- 4:52Speaker 1: and older female cousins.
- 4:54Speaker 2: Were living, and so running gave me a sense of confidence.
- 4:59Speaker 2: And it also so when you're really good at something,
- 5:02Speaker 2: people see you.
- 5:05Speaker 1: And for the first time, I was seeing for something
- 5:08Speaker 1: other than what I had been seen for and it
- 5:10Speaker 1: became a source of my confidence, and I fell in
- 5:12Speaker 1: love with it.
- 5:13Speaker 2: I fell in love with it because it gave me
- 5:16Speaker 2: a sense of identity.
- 5:17Speaker 3: Yeah, I love what you said about goal setting and
- 5:22Speaker 3: coming up with your own goals. You were led to
- 5:25Speaker 3: believe that this roadmap that had been crafted for you
- 5:29Speaker 3: was what you air quotes wanted. And so to have
- 5:33Speaker 3: that level of self awareness where you knew in your gut,
- 5:37Speaker 3: this isn't what I want. Talk to me about deviating
- 5:40Speaker 3: from that roadmap. How did that make you feel?
- 5:43Speaker 4: Well?
- 5:44Speaker 2: It wasn't. It wasn't this.
- 5:45Speaker 1: Aha moment right where I just woke up one day
- 5:48Speaker 1: and I thought, Okay, I'm going to create my own blueprint.
- 5:51Speaker 1: It was this blueprint was still there, and I was
- 5:54Speaker 1: trying to figure out ways to create and navigate a
- 5:58Speaker 1: different path within the blueprint. And years went by until
- 6:04Speaker 1: I finally had enough confidence and courage and a little
- 6:07Speaker 1: bit of crazy to realize that that blueprint isn't.
- 6:11Speaker 2: Going to work.
- 6:11Speaker 1: I can't navigate my future through this existing blueprint, and
- 6:15Speaker 1: I need to be the architect of my own blueprint.
- 6:18Speaker 1: And even to this day, I think, now in my forties,
- 6:21Speaker 1: I feel very confident about being that architect. But up
- 6:25Speaker 1: until not that long ago, I still felt bad about
- 6:30Speaker 1: this existing blueprint that I was supposed to be following.
- 6:35Speaker 2: So it takes time. Yeah, it takes time.
- 6:37Speaker 3: So in practice this looked like leaving your parents' house.
- 6:42Speaker 3: In practice, this looked like doing some soul searching for yourself.
- 6:46Speaker 3: And in practice, ultimately this led you to running in college.
- 6:51Speaker 1: Yeah, and it happened in those really similar steps of
- 6:55Speaker 1: just chasing a dream that no one could have dreamt
- 6:59Speaker 1: for me, and that I wasn't even allowed to dream
- 7:02Speaker 1: for myself. But there was something inside me that wouldn't
- 7:07Speaker 1: let it go away.
- 7:09Speaker 2: And people call that. There's different words for that. For me,
- 7:13Speaker 2: I would say it's purpose.
- 7:15Speaker 1: My purpose was to be involved in the sport, and
- 7:19Speaker 1: at that time, at nineteen twenty, I thought that meant
- 7:22Speaker 1: being a college athlete. But now looking back twenty five
- 7:27Speaker 1: plus years later, thirty years later, Wow, maybe it was
- 7:31Speaker 1: for this, For this exact moment, for being in a
- 7:36Speaker 1: role of a coach and inspiring other women to chase dreams,
- 7:40Speaker 1: but originally running became my purpose.
- 7:44Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned the words courage and bravery. Where do
- 7:48Speaker 3: you think you garnered that courage and bravery to make
- 7:52Speaker 3: that decision for yourself despite it being so counterintuitive within
- 7:57Speaker 3: your culture.
- 7:58Speaker 1: I think some of it is nature versus nurture, right,
- 8:01Speaker 1: some of our personality were born with I've always been
- 8:04Speaker 1: someone that questioned, well, why are we doing it that way?
- 8:08Speaker 1: Or why are women supposed to do that? Why is
- 8:11Speaker 1: that expectation there? Why am I supposed to go to
- 8:13Speaker 1: college and study medicine? And so just that little question
- 8:17Speaker 1: of why asking myself. I never had the guts to
- 8:21Speaker 1: ask other people that, but I would always ask myself, well,
- 8:24Speaker 1: why does it have to be that way? Why do
- 8:26Speaker 1: my brothers get to do all of this stuff? But
- 8:28Speaker 1: as an Indian girl, I'm held to these standards. Why
- 8:31Speaker 1: is it different? Why is there a double standard? So
- 8:33Speaker 1: I think for me, it was the questions I was
- 8:36Speaker 1: asking myself, and then the nurture part of it is
- 8:40Speaker 1: getting around influences in your life that are also asking you.
- 8:45Speaker 1: My fifth grade teacher asked me what is your dream?
- 8:48Speaker 1: That was a question on a assignment that we had,
- 8:51Speaker 1: and I filled it out just like my parents would
- 8:53Speaker 1: have wanted me to. And she had the courage to
- 8:56Speaker 1: pull me aside a couple weeks later and say, no,
- 8:59Speaker 1: this is about your dream.
- 9:01Speaker 2: What is your dream?
- 9:02Speaker 1: I didn't understand the question, and she didn't understand my life.
- 9:06Speaker 1: So that instilled something in me, this external question of
- 9:11Speaker 1: what is my dream? What do I want that to be?
- 9:13Speaker 1: It's important for women to ask ourselves, whatever stage of
- 9:16Speaker 1: life we're in, what is your dream?
- 9:18Speaker 3: And I know that that's a question now that you
- 9:20Speaker 3: ask your athletes at the top of every season, how
- 9:23Speaker 3: does it feel for you to be in this position
- 9:25Speaker 3: where now you are the person, just like your fifth
- 9:28Speaker 3: grade teacher that's cultivating that level of self inquiry within them.
- 9:32Speaker 2: It's so empowering.
- 9:33Speaker 1: I feel lucky and blessed to be able to be
- 9:37Speaker 1: the person to ask women every August.
- 9:40Speaker 2: What is your dream?
- 9:42Speaker 1: And then there's follow up questions because a dream without
- 9:44Speaker 1: a plan is not going to go anywhere, right, and
- 9:48Speaker 1: so me being the person that gets to then invest
- 9:51Speaker 1: in those dreams, that's why I ask about them.
- 9:53Speaker 2: It's like, what's your dream? Now me as a coach,
- 9:55Speaker 2: my job is to invest in that dream and make
- 9:58Speaker 2: it my own.
- 10:00Speaker 1: And that's where the beauty in what we accomplish together
- 10:03Speaker 1: is so much deeper than maybe someone who doesn't have
- 10:07Speaker 1: that same investment in the dream.
- 10:08Speaker 3: Let's flush that out a little bit more though. So
- 10:10Speaker 3: I'm sure that some of the young women that you
- 10:13Speaker 3: work with their dreams are rooted in cross country within
- 10:16Speaker 3: running on the track, right, But then I'm sure you
- 10:18Speaker 3: also get answers to this question that are so much
- 10:21Speaker 3: bigger than running. That dichotomy is really fun. That relationship
- 10:25Speaker 3: is really fun. So when you are looking at the
- 10:27Speaker 3: dreams that have nothing to do with running, I would
- 10:30Speaker 3: almost assume that that's kind of the more fun part.
- 10:32Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the transformational journey that you get to witness
- 10:36Speaker 1: as a coach. It's not what are we chasing, it's
- 10:39Speaker 1: who are we becoming? Who do you want to become?
- 10:43Speaker 1: Let me help you through this sport. Figure that out,
- 10:47Speaker 1: number one, because eighteen to twenty three that's a transformational
- 10:49Speaker 1: time in any young woman's life. So to be an influence,
- 10:53Speaker 1: understanding the responsibility of what that looks like and who
- 10:56Speaker 1: and how I need to inspire them, But also understand
- 11:00Speaker 1: that ten twenty thirty years from now, I have women
- 11:02Speaker 1: who call me that I coached once upon a time
- 11:05Speaker 1: and they are reaping the benefits of some of that
- 11:08Speaker 1: confidence and that courage that was instilled in them in
- 11:11Speaker 1: those college years.
- 11:12Speaker 3: You share that eighteen to twenty three being such a
- 11:14Speaker 3: transformational time, something that you know a lot about when
- 11:17Speaker 3: you think about those years for you who helped shape
- 11:20Speaker 3: your transformation.
- 11:22Speaker 1: Well, had a really good female collegiate coach that showed
- 11:26Speaker 1: me you can be a mom and a coach. She
- 11:29Speaker 1: had two kids and she was coaching at the Division
- 11:31Speaker 1: two level, and we have to see her to be her.
- 11:34Speaker 2: Understand that women have to see her to be her.
- 11:36Speaker 1: And so already this notion of raising kids and coaching
- 11:41Speaker 1: has been brought.
- 11:42Speaker 2: To life by someone else, not by me. So that
- 11:44Speaker 2: was one.
- 11:45Speaker 1: But then I went I had the opportunity to run
- 11:47Speaker 1: for the Nike Farm team out at Stamford, and I
- 11:50Speaker 1: met a man by the name of Frank Gagliano, and.
- 11:57Speaker 2: He was probably one of the first.
- 11:58Speaker 4: Men in my life life that really believed in me, and
- 12:06Speaker 4: that changed the trajectory of my life.
- 12:09Speaker 2: What did him believing in you?
- 12:12Speaker 3: Look like in practice, because I'm sure now when you
- 12:15Speaker 3: reflect on how he made you feel and the actions
- 12:19Speaker 3: that he used to make you feel that way, you
- 12:22Speaker 3: bring that into your current coaching practice.
- 12:24Speaker 1: Absolutely, he inspires me every day. For one, it was
- 12:30Speaker 1: seeing me on an equal playing field. He saw me
- 12:33Speaker 1: as an athlete and my goals mattered. But then he
- 12:38Speaker 1: also saw something in me that I hadn't seen in myself,
- 12:42Speaker 1: and that was the potential to become a coach. And
- 12:46Speaker 1: that is a very important and incredible thing to be
- 12:53Speaker 1: able to see the potential in someone before they see
- 12:56Speaker 1: it in themselves, and then to have that conversation and
- 13:00Speaker 1: letting them know I see this potential in you. Had
- 13:04Speaker 1: he never pulled me aside and talked about this journey
- 13:07Speaker 1: in coaching, I for sure would not have been a coach.
- 13:10Speaker 1: I wanted to be a teacher. I wanted to be
- 13:12Speaker 1: a fifth grade teacher to meet other ten year old
- 13:14Speaker 1: girls and boys and help them chase streams. That was
- 13:17Speaker 1: really what I wanted to do until that moment with
- 13:20Speaker 1: Frank Gagliano.
- 13:21Speaker 2: Just like you said before, in order to be her,
- 13:24Speaker 2: you need to see her.
- 13:25Speaker 3: When you were of a certain age, you had people
- 13:27Speaker 3: that saw you as maybe you were in fifth grade,
- 13:30Speaker 3: and then as you graduated within life and within sport,
- 13:33Speaker 3: you met someone else that saw you as all that
- 13:36Speaker 3: you have to offer, and that then changed the trajectory
- 13:39Speaker 3: of your path. And it's so amazing and beautiful to
- 13:42Speaker 3: hear that these individuals inspired you to become this person
- 13:46Speaker 3: now that has this opportunity to inspire others. What I
- 13:50Speaker 3: love about what you're saying with this essence of I
- 13:54Speaker 3: see something special in you is that oftentimes that conversation
- 13:57Speaker 3: is what sparks someone's justin level of self belief, right,
- 14:03Speaker 3: And then to get to that next step where yes
- 14:06Speaker 3: it starts with someone saying I believe in you. Then
- 14:09Speaker 3: that athlete or that person or wherever you may be,
- 14:12Speaker 3: within or without sport, says, holy shit, I believe in myself.
- 14:17Speaker 3: When you get to this place where you have this
- 14:19Speaker 3: innate level of self belief, no one can take that
- 14:21Speaker 3: away from you. That doesn't mean that there aren't going
- 14:23Speaker 3: to be moments that you doubt yourself. But what it
- 14:25Speaker 3: does mean is that that opens up the door for
- 14:27Speaker 3: you to try things that maybe you were scared of
- 14:29Speaker 3: trying before. So for you, as you start to come
- 14:33Speaker 3: up within sport. Although you have this level of belief
- 14:35Speaker 3: from gags, where is it that you really find your
- 14:39Speaker 3: strength on your own two feet when you step into
- 14:41Speaker 3: this coaching role.
- 14:43Speaker 1: As a coach, I get that strength and confidence from
- 14:46Speaker 1: my women. And that is the crazy thing about empowerment.
- 14:50Speaker 1: People think that strong women and confident women just found
- 14:55Speaker 1: that somewhere. No, the way we become more confident is
- 14:58Speaker 1: by instilling confidence in it. I've spent twenty years doing
- 15:02Speaker 1: that for women and what that has done for me
- 15:05Speaker 1: as kind of I'm reaping the benefits. The return of
- 15:09Speaker 1: investment on investing in someone else is that you yourself
- 15:13Speaker 1: also get that same confidence and that source of empowerment.
- 15:16Speaker 1: And so it's important for women to learn how to
- 15:22Speaker 1: build up other women, how to instill confidence in the
- 15:25Speaker 1: women around you. That's going to help you be a
- 15:28Speaker 1: strong woman.
- 15:29Speaker 2: Talk to me about getting the job at BYU.
- 15:32Speaker 1: Getting the job at BYU it was not something I
- 15:34Speaker 1: would have ever seen in my future. I was at
- 15:38Speaker 1: the point of my career where other division one universities
- 15:42Speaker 1: were recognizing what I was doing at a small D two,
- 15:44Speaker 1: and so opportunities to interview for positions around the country
- 15:49Speaker 1: were popping up. BYU was one of those in the
- 15:52Speaker 1: summer of twenty sixteen, and I decided to take the interview.
- 15:56Speaker 1: My in laws live in Utah. If I'm being totally honest,
- 15:59Speaker 1: that's why I went. I thought I could spend a
- 16:01Speaker 1: couple days with them and check out BYU. My only
- 16:04Speaker 1: real ties to BYU were I love basketball and watching
- 16:08Speaker 1: Jimmer in his early years when they were.
- 16:10Speaker 2: Making a big deep run. I became a fan of that.
- 16:13Speaker 1: And then I worked out there once and got kicked
- 16:15Speaker 1: off the indoor track because I was in a sports bra.
- 16:18Speaker 1: And so those are really my two encounters with BYU.
- 16:21Speaker 1: But I thought, let me go interview for this job
- 16:24Speaker 1: and go through the process. And when I got on
- 16:26Speaker 1: campus and started going through the interview process and understanding
- 16:31Speaker 1: that there was going to be a group of women
- 16:33Speaker 1: who culturally had a similar upbringing. There are similarities between
- 16:38Speaker 1: what I went through culturally and what women at BYU
- 16:43Speaker 1: have gone through culturally, and that was the draw.
- 16:45Speaker 2: It wasn't yeah, can I do it at the highest level.
- 16:49Speaker 1: There's always that question, but it was more I want
- 16:53Speaker 1: to do it with these women at the highest level.
- 16:56Speaker 3: And it was also this aspect of understanding that you
- 16:59Speaker 3: could bring something to them that maybe they had been missing.
- 17:01Speaker 1: It was and my why the question is that's what
- 17:05Speaker 1: got me to BYU.
- 17:05Speaker 2: The women and people ask why do I stay?
- 17:09Speaker 1: Right, I've had a lot of success over the last
- 17:11Speaker 1: nine years, and I've had opportunities to go to other
- 17:13Speaker 1: D one P four schools in why and my why
- 17:17Speaker 1: is still the same, The same reason why I came
- 17:19Speaker 1: to BYU. My women is the same reason why I
- 17:23Speaker 1: stay My women and who they're becoming and what they're accomplishing.
- 17:26Speaker 1: And I have a front row seat to watch these
- 17:29Speaker 1: women chase streams that they never even knew they could
- 17:32Speaker 1: chase or that they could have and had now turning
- 17:35Speaker 1: women from the collegiate level and watching them go into
- 17:38Speaker 1: the professional world, it's so fulfilling.
- 17:42Speaker 2: It's fulfilling.
- 17:43Speaker 3: And when some of your women graduate, is there almost
- 17:50Speaker 3: a morning feels like a big word to use here,
- 17:54Speaker 3: But you develop such strong and special relationships with these
- 17:58Speaker 3: women and then they spread their wings and they leave
- 18:00Speaker 3: the nest. How does that make you feel?
- 18:02Speaker 1: It is every five to six years you kind of
- 18:04Speaker 1: go through that where you spend so much time with
- 18:07Speaker 1: these women and they think it's going to be like
- 18:09Speaker 1: this forever, and I do too. When you're in it,
- 18:12Speaker 1: you think that relationship is going to be like that forever,
- 18:14Speaker 1: and it can't because someone else is going to come
- 18:17Speaker 1: in as an eighteen year old and they're going to
- 18:19Speaker 1: need that same time and care as what my alum
- 18:24Speaker 1: have had. But there's this sisterhood that's been created. So
- 18:28Speaker 1: whatever we're doing on our journey, and I'm not saying
- 18:31Speaker 1: just with BYU women, my women that I've coached and
- 18:33Speaker 1: former athletes that I've coached, even at cal State Stanislaus,
- 18:36Speaker 1: feel a connection to the athletes I'm coaching now. They
- 18:39Speaker 1: know they're getting the same experience and the same investment
- 18:43Speaker 1: that I gave them, and they feel connected to the
- 18:46Speaker 1: current athletes through that.
- 18:47Speaker 2: Yeah, what does success feel like to you? That word
- 18:51Speaker 2: has changed so much.
- 18:52Speaker 1: You know, when I first started coaching success with outcomes,
- 18:55Speaker 1: it was finishes and it was being relevant nationally. And
- 18:58Speaker 1: I still care about that stuff obviously being a competitive
- 19:01Speaker 1: person in sport. But success for me is how many
- 19:03Speaker 1: people can I inspire along the way, whether that be
- 19:06Speaker 1: in coaching or whether that be athletes in other programs,
- 19:10Speaker 1: young girls in sport, the nine, ten twelve year old girls,
- 19:15Speaker 1: what can I do to inspire them?
- 19:17Speaker 2: That is success. That's what I want my legacy to be.
- 19:19Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's irrefutable that you're doing that. And also
- 19:24Speaker 3: it's so special when there's moments like that viral moment
- 19:28Speaker 3: of you running alongside the track a few months back
- 19:30Speaker 3: now yelling on the track you are what did you say?
- 19:33Speaker 2: You are her? Yeah?
- 19:34Speaker 1: So backstory, I my name, Well, they obviously coach Taylor. Yeah,
- 19:40Speaker 1: but the women call me the woman, right, So has
- 19:43Speaker 1: the woman sent out the workout yet or where's the woman?
- 19:45Speaker 2: And so they refer to me as the woman.
- 19:49Speaker 1: And before I started saying you are her, I was
- 19:54Speaker 1: saying you are the woman, you know, just kind of
- 19:57Speaker 1: throwing it back at them, and yeah, and then just.
- 20:01Speaker 2: That you are her. I don't know where that came from.
- 20:03Speaker 1: It was so good, it was and it was captured
- 20:06Speaker 1: because I was miked up, and you kind of forget
- 20:08Speaker 1: in the moment that you're even miked up.
- 20:10Speaker 2: But I think for my women to watch that afterwards.
- 20:13Speaker 1: They only see and hear from their perspective what the
- 20:17Speaker 1: race feels like. And they're hearing these commands and they're
- 20:20Speaker 1: hearing this encouragement and a little bit of crazy and
- 20:23Speaker 1: they love that energy. But then for them to go
- 20:25Speaker 1: back and watch it from my perspective, what I'm going through,
- 20:27Speaker 1: what I'm screaming at them, and how excited I am.
- 20:32Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, it was special that we captured that moment.
- 20:35Speaker 3: I mean, it's my alarm every day. I don't know
- 20:37Speaker 3: if you know this. I wake up everything you are,
- 20:39Speaker 3: you are her. I'm like, okay, a little aggressive this morning,
- 20:42Speaker 3: but sometimes aggressive.
- 20:43Speaker 2: Sometimes you're so aggressive you need that pep talk.
- 20:46Speaker 3: But the thing is, as someone who is at the
- 20:47Speaker 3: forefront of being such an outstanding leader for so many
- 20:50Speaker 3: young women, not only on the team, but of course
- 20:53Speaker 3: broader than that, with such a large reach, what do
- 20:55Speaker 3: you do on the day is that you don't feel
- 20:57Speaker 3: so shiny and that you don't feel you are the woman.
- 21:02Speaker 1: Well, we all have those moments where we're not feeling it.
- 21:05Speaker 1: My recharge comes from the thing I do, which is coaching.
- 21:09Speaker 1: And that sounds so cliche because it is so exhausting
- 21:13Speaker 1: at times, especially as we're getting towards the end of
- 21:15Speaker 1: the season. We're heading into national championships next week and
- 21:17Speaker 1: then the youth you know, obviously usays next month. At
- 21:20Speaker 1: the end of July, and so this is kind of
- 21:22Speaker 1: crunch time for my coaching and for my athletes and you.
- 21:26Speaker 2: I end every season exhausted, but throughout the season I
- 21:30Speaker 2: will never use that word. Yeah, no, I can't.
- 21:34Speaker 1: I have to be at my best for my women
- 21:37Speaker 1: to be at their best. But recharging for me is
- 21:39Speaker 1: a run, a very slow run, or just taking some
- 21:43Speaker 1: time and sitting in my backyard with my family and
- 21:45Speaker 1: not thinking about the sport. This thing is consuming, and
- 21:48Speaker 1: I believe if you have to be really good I
- 21:51Speaker 1: believe if you want to be really.
- 21:54Speaker 2: Good at something, there has to be a small level
- 21:57Speaker 2: obsession during the crunch times. And so I am obsessed
- 22:00Speaker 2: with my craft and that helps and gives permission for
- 22:03Speaker 2: my women to be obsessed with their craft. When you
- 22:07Speaker 2: have two people equally obsessed with their craft, magic can happen.
- 22:11Speaker 2: I've seen it. I've witnessed it.
- 22:13Speaker 1: I'm twenty twenty four Olympics in Paris standing there watching
- 22:16Speaker 1: two women in the Olympic final. I've seen the fruits
- 22:20Speaker 1: of their labor, and so that is recharging for me.
- 22:24Speaker 1: Understanding that this energy is going to be replicated, and
- 22:29Speaker 1: when it is by them in the right moments, we're
- 22:31Speaker 1: going to get to experience magic.
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- 26:19Speaker 3: let's get back to it. And it's so relatable, right
- 26:29Speaker 3: when you have a steep passion for what it is
- 26:32Speaker 3: that excites you and in our case both of us
- 26:34Speaker 3: doing different things. But for me within cultivating these conversations
- 26:38Speaker 3: and for you guiding these women towards seeking their own potential,
- 26:41Speaker 3: you can't cheat that passion.
- 26:44Speaker 2: The passion is what fuels you to keep showing.
- 26:46Speaker 3: Up on these times where it is exhausting, right, but
- 26:49Speaker 3: it also is the same thing that gives back to
- 26:52Speaker 3: you time and time and time again. Paris, What a moment,
- 26:57Speaker 3: such a moment, Such a moment I feel like for
- 27:00Speaker 3: the rest of my career, I'm going to compare every
- 27:03Speaker 3: moment do running around Paris and interviewing my idols. Talk
- 27:06Speaker 3: to me about what that moment meant for you to
- 27:09Speaker 3: be there witnessing such greatness from these two women that
- 27:14Speaker 3: you got to go along that journey with.
- 27:16Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when you're in it and you're so
- 27:19Speaker 1: focused on getting them to the starting line and getting
- 27:22Speaker 1: them prepared and building their confidence and making sure that
- 27:25Speaker 1: they walk in that arena feeling just as worthy and
- 27:29Speaker 1: ready to do something on the biggest stage of their life.
- 27:33Speaker 1: But I'd never thought what it would feel like for
- 27:35Speaker 1: me to walk into that arena, because I was so
- 27:37Speaker 1: focused on what are they going to feel? And so
- 27:40Speaker 1: when I walked into that arena, and I always have
- 27:44Speaker 1: the same seat on the front row, and I took
- 27:47Speaker 1: a moment prior to them competing, just sitting there and
- 27:51Speaker 1: soaking in the crowd, the feeling and really asking myself,
- 27:54Speaker 1: did I ever think in my wildest dreams, did I
- 27:58Speaker 1: ever think I would be coaching in an Olympic final. No,
- 28:04Speaker 1: I couldn't have seen that. No one could have seen that.
- 28:06Speaker 1: And so really for me, it was just a moment
- 28:08Speaker 1: of let me soak this all in. I don't know
- 28:10Speaker 1: if it'll ever happen again. I'm hoping it will LA
- 28:12Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, but yeah, I just those are the
- 28:16Speaker 1: moments that all pressure is released, Yeah, and you kind
- 28:20Speaker 1: of just get to soak it all in and be
- 28:24Speaker 1: proud when was the.
- 28:25Speaker 3: Last time you walked into an arena And I'm not
- 28:27Speaker 3: just actually talking about like the STAD difference, but an
- 28:30Speaker 3: arena within your life where you maybe we're dealing with
- 28:35Speaker 3: a little bit of that self doubt, where you had
- 28:38Speaker 3: to consciously squash those nerves that feel a little bit
- 28:41Speaker 3: bigger than you.
- 28:42Speaker 1: I feel I catch myself there all the time. Anytime
- 28:45Speaker 1: you're really passionate about something and you invest a lot
- 28:48Speaker 1: in it and you care a lot about it, You're
- 28:50Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit of self doubt. Every athlete
- 28:53Speaker 1: at the highest level feels that. Every coach at the
- 28:55Speaker 1: highest level feels that. I talk to colleagues all the
- 28:58Speaker 1: time where it's like, oh, are we doing this thing?
- 29:00Speaker 1: And if I'm not feeling that, then I want a question.
- 29:05Speaker 1: Did I go all in? If I'm not feeling a
- 29:07Speaker 1: little bit of self doubt? Did I go all in?
- 29:11Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 29:11Speaker 1: There's rooms that maybe we walk in and we wonder
- 29:14Speaker 1: do we belong? Does our voice matter? What Nike's done
- 29:16Speaker 1: for me is put me in these rooms where my
- 29:19Speaker 1: voice does matter. What BYU has done for me is
- 29:22Speaker 1: put me in those rooms where my voice matters and
- 29:24Speaker 1: the value piece is there, And so when someone else
- 29:27Speaker 1: is investing and showing you that value, you yourself are
- 29:30Speaker 1: gonna feel it. But self doubt, that's a part of
- 29:32Speaker 1: the journey every step of the way, and I want
- 29:35Speaker 1: to always have that. It's a good self check. When
- 29:38Speaker 1: you doubt yourself, you're questioning am I doing things the
- 29:41Speaker 1: right way? That's the best question you can ask yourself.
- 29:43Speaker 2: Who are you outside of being a coach? Mom? That's
- 29:47Speaker 2: my best title? Yeah? Yeah, I have two boys.
- 29:49Speaker 1: I wear them right here proudly, taj Nave and one's
- 29:53Speaker 1: about to be fourteen and sixteen, and being a mom
- 29:55Speaker 1: has rewritten my whole childhood. That's what that's for me.
- 30:01Speaker 3: What is it that you hope to offer your boys
- 30:08Speaker 3: that maybe you didn't feel like you had.
- 30:11Speaker 2: There's two things posted on both boys.
- 30:14Speaker 1: When they walk outside of their door every day from
- 30:17Speaker 1: their bedroom. I have a note up there that says
- 30:19Speaker 1: I believe in you, and another one right below it
- 30:22Speaker 1: that says life responds to effort. And those two statements
- 30:26Speaker 1: they see them every time they walk into their bedroom,
- 30:29Speaker 1: and I say those to my boys all the time.
- 30:32Speaker 2: I didn't I love you. In the Indian culture is done.
- 30:36Speaker 1: Through acts of service, It's through caring for your children,
- 30:41Speaker 1: cutting up fruit, making sure they have all the things
- 30:43Speaker 1: that they need. It really is, that's the Indian way
- 30:45Speaker 1: of saying, we make you chaw. That means I love you,
- 30:47Speaker 1: and I have been very intentional as a mother to
- 30:51Speaker 1: make sure that my boys hear those words all the time.
- 30:54Speaker 2: And then also coupled with that, I believe in you.
- 30:57Speaker 3: Yeah, that I believe in you is so special and
- 30:59Speaker 3: I'm sure that they are so proud of what you've
- 31:05Speaker 3: done and seeing how you show up to be this
- 31:08Speaker 3: figurehead for so many others.
- 31:10Speaker 2: Have they expressed that to you.
- 31:12Speaker 1: Now, as they're getting into their teenage years, they are
- 31:14Speaker 1: a little more vocal about it. I think growing up
- 31:17Speaker 1: it's just mom. I'm just mom, yeah, and they don't know.
- 31:20Speaker 1: But now we go into places and people are stopping me,
- 31:22Speaker 1: and they're kind of seeing different articles and just different
- 31:25Speaker 1: things that I'm doing, different parties we have at our house.
- 31:27Speaker 1: They're like, wow, my mom is coaching in the Olympics
- 31:29Speaker 1: and they got to go along and witness that.
- 31:31Speaker 2: So that was really powerful. But I think that where
- 31:36Speaker 2: they're going.
- 31:36Speaker 1: To see the benefit is if they choose to get
- 31:38Speaker 1: married or they have children and they have daughters, how
- 31:41Speaker 1: they're going to parent, how they're going to be a
- 31:45Speaker 1: partner to another woman. This is normal for them. What
- 31:48Speaker 1: I'm doing is their norms. So they're going to be
- 31:51Speaker 1: the biggest cheerleader for any woman in their life and
- 31:54Speaker 1: any girl when they become they become girl dads. They're
- 31:57Speaker 1: going to be the best at it because I so hopefully,
- 32:00Speaker 1: by example, have shown them what it looks like to relent,
- 32:04Speaker 1: least chase the dream that.
- 32:06Speaker 3: By example, though you're modeling that behavior. Obviously, again we're
- 32:11Speaker 3: saying hi as being the Olympics, the parties before the Olympics.
- 32:15Speaker 3: When you reflect on perhaps what some of the lowest
- 32:18Speaker 3: moments have been for you within this journey of your career,
- 32:22Speaker 3: what comes to mind.
- 32:24Speaker 1: Last year's NCAA Championship and why is that had a
- 32:27Speaker 1: team that I felt like could definitely podium, possibly win,
- 32:32Speaker 1: probably win. It was one of my more talented teams,
- 32:34Speaker 1: and we just weren't prepared emotionally Internally, the team chemistry
- 32:38Speaker 1: was off, and as a coach I sensed it, but
- 32:41Speaker 1: I really couldn't do anything about it. And coming home
- 32:44Speaker 1: from that national Championship with I know we were still
- 32:48Speaker 1: top fifteen in the country.
- 32:49Speaker 2: I was going to say fourteenth. We were fourteenth, but
- 32:52Speaker 2: it was.
- 32:52Speaker 1: It was probably a really low point, probably the lowest
- 32:55Speaker 1: point in my coaching career, to feel like I had
- 32:57Speaker 1: failed those women, I had failed to see. I was
- 33:01Speaker 1: trying to put a band aid on it, to just
- 33:03Speaker 1: get us through November, just get us through the championship.
- 33:06Speaker 2: And you can't.
- 33:06Speaker 1: You can't put a band aid on team culture. You
- 33:09Speaker 1: can't put a band aid on inconsistent leadership. You can't
- 33:12Speaker 1: put a band aid on anxieties and insecurities. You can't
- 33:16Speaker 1: put a band aid on it. And I tried to.
- 33:20Speaker 1: And walking through my doors, my son sees my face
- 33:25Speaker 1: and I'd been crying. I'm not even I don't get emotional.
- 33:28Speaker 1: I'm passionate, but I'm not an emotional woman, and he
- 33:32Speaker 1: completely breaks down, just sobbing. At that moment, I was like, Okay,
- 33:38Speaker 1: this can't be this big, This can't be this big.
- 33:41Speaker 1: But what people don't understand and what people don't see
- 33:46Speaker 1: when you're a mom and a coach, there's a sacrifice
- 33:51Speaker 1: that your children make and your husband and when things
- 33:57Speaker 1: don't pan out, invest it and it hurts them too.
- 34:03Speaker 1: So let my women down right, that's the coach. And
- 34:07Speaker 1: people will tell you all the time it's so nice.
- 34:09Speaker 1: When you're a parent.
- 34:10Speaker 2: You walk in and you're like, oh, this is what matters.
- 34:14Speaker 2: But when I walk.
- 34:15Speaker 1: Into my house, my child is crying, and I was like,
- 34:18Speaker 1: wait a minute, I've let my team down and I've
- 34:22Speaker 1: let my boys down, and that was kind of a
- 34:24Speaker 1: double whammy and the chance for me to completely change
- 34:28Speaker 1: my perspective and where I was placing myself worth.
- 34:31Speaker 3: What I'm hearing you say though, now is that you've
- 34:33Speaker 3: had time to reflect on that moment, understanding that maybe
- 34:36Speaker 3: how it felt in that letdown isn't actually the lesson
- 34:42Speaker 3: to take from it. So now, in the time since then,
- 34:45Speaker 3: after walking through the door and seeing your son and
- 34:49Speaker 3: feeling like you let your girls down, how do you
- 34:51Speaker 3: reflect on that now?
- 34:52Speaker 1: Well, I think I was placing emphasis on the wrong thing, right.
- 34:55Speaker 1: We all, regardless of understanding your legacy and understanding your purpose,
- 35:00Speaker 1: we all get lost in chasing outcomes.
- 35:03Speaker 2: And the real power lies in the journey.
- 35:07Speaker 1: And for me to reattach that now, I could have
- 35:11Speaker 1: I could have shied away from the hard moments, and
- 35:13Speaker 1: I could have not chosen to grow as a coach
- 35:16Speaker 1: but instead I did some self reflecting in the month
- 35:18Speaker 1: of December and asked myself the hard questions, why did
- 35:21Speaker 1: that hit me so hard? And someone who preaches that
- 35:24Speaker 1: failure is part of the process, why could I not
- 35:27Speaker 1: process it?
- 35:28Speaker 2: And it's easy to trust the process when things are
- 35:30Speaker 2: going well.
- 35:31Speaker 1: It's really hard to trust the process when things aren't processing.
- 35:35Speaker 1: And so for me, I became a better coach because
- 35:38Speaker 1: of that. I doubled down on those same women. I
- 35:41Speaker 1: made sure that they understood it was about the journey.
- 35:45Speaker 1: And if I'm attaching my self worth as a coach
- 35:49Speaker 1: to the outcome, my women are doing the same thing.
- 35:52Speaker 1: I'm setting an example to my boys that your self
- 35:55Speaker 1: worth comes from what you do and not who you are.
- 35:57Speaker 1: And so I changed the who I was that moment.
- 36:00Speaker 3: What a beautiful opportunity, though, And then to be able
- 36:03Speaker 3: to go back to those women and recultivate these special
- 36:07Speaker 3: conversations to instill in them that this is truly an
- 36:09Speaker 3: opportunity to rise up from something that you didn't hope for.
- 36:13Speaker 3: And that's such an important lesson in this As with
- 36:16Speaker 3: any quote unquote air quotes, failure is that we don't
- 36:20Speaker 3: work hard for failure. We don't work hard for things
- 36:22Speaker 3: to not go as we'd hoped. However, it takes a smart, educated,
- 36:26Speaker 3: strong person to take that hard moment, that hard hurdle,
- 36:30Speaker 3: and say, I'm now going to use this to my advantage.
- 36:32Speaker 1: I came across this quote as I was trying to
- 36:35Speaker 1: figure out ways to inspire my women, and I'm scrolling
- 36:39Speaker 1: through all these things, reading books, I'm trying to find
- 36:41Speaker 1: something that I can grasp on, and it was this
- 36:44Speaker 1: quote that now the butterfly symbol has become part of
- 36:46Speaker 1: our team culture.
- 36:48Speaker 2: It's just it's everywhere.
- 36:50Speaker 1: You'll see it on me next week d C Doublea's
- 36:52Speaker 1: But it was just when the caterpillar thinks the world
- 36:54Speaker 1: is ending, she becomes a butterfly, and we decided from
- 36:59Speaker 1: that moment on, we're chase see butterfly moments, understanding that
- 37:02Speaker 1: the caterpillar is part of the process and we're going
- 37:04Speaker 1: to find ourselves there. But what we're really chasing is
- 37:06Speaker 1: those butterfly moments.
- 37:08Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love that right now, Coach Tayler.
- 37:11Speaker 3: When someone goes to your Instagram page, they see a
- 37:13Speaker 3: ton of followers, they see a woman who is at
- 37:16Speaker 3: the helm of Buiu's track and field program. But when
- 37:19Speaker 3: you look in the mirror, what is it that you
- 37:21Speaker 3: see looking back at you?
- 37:23Speaker 2: Oh, I see someone who took a chance on herself.
- 37:28Speaker 1: I see ten year old me. I see sixteen year
- 37:31Speaker 1: old me. I see eighteen year old me that walked
- 37:34Speaker 1: out of the house with nothing to my name. I
- 37:38Speaker 1: see thirty year old me that just became a new mom.
- 37:41Speaker 1: And then I see me as I am now. And
- 37:43Speaker 1: that's someone who I'm really incredibly proud of.
- 37:46Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so special.
- 37:49Speaker 3: We are releasing this episode the day after the La
- 37:52Speaker 3: stop of the After Dark Tour. It's been such a
- 37:55Speaker 3: special journey. I myself training for the half marathon. You guys,
- 38:00Speaker 3: athletes all over the world toward their own starting lines.
- 38:05Speaker 3: When you take a step back and look at the
- 38:07Speaker 3: magnitude of your impact, does it really hit you.
- 38:10Speaker 2: In these moments? It does.
- 38:12Speaker 1: My circle of women has just been the athletes that
- 38:15Speaker 1: I coach, right, And that's a small community that you
- 38:18Speaker 1: can still inspire a larger community through those small.
- 38:21Speaker 2: Twenty thirty women, forty women.
- 38:24Speaker 1: But now to have an opportunity, my collective of women
- 38:29Speaker 1: has just gotten larger, and so all these women that
- 38:31Speaker 1: are getting on the starting line, I feel a part
- 38:33Speaker 1: of their journey, and that's powerful.
- 38:36Speaker 2: Running is bigger than running. You know that, I know that.
- 38:39Speaker 3: What would you say One of the most resounding lessons
- 38:42Speaker 3: is that running has brought to your every day.
- 38:47Speaker 1: The confidence that comes from finishing something that you started
- 38:53Speaker 1: running does that every single day, whether it's a two
- 38:56Speaker 1: mile jog or a half marathon. You build confidence from
- 39:00Speaker 1: setting out to do something and then finishing it.
- 39:03Speaker 2: The confidence is special.
- 39:04Speaker 3: One piece of advice that you offer to individuals as
- 39:08Speaker 3: they approach their own starting lines, whether we're talking about
- 39:10Speaker 3: on the runner, off the run, every day is a
- 39:12Speaker 3: chance for a new beginning, something that you know very well.
- 39:16Speaker 3: For someone who is approaching their own starting line, what
- 39:19Speaker 3: do you tell them?
- 39:19Speaker 2: This is a privilege.
- 39:21Speaker 1: This is a privilege, and so if you approach it
- 39:24Speaker 1: that way, your mindset and your entry into that starting
- 39:27Speaker 1: line is going to be from a gratitude mindset. And
- 39:30Speaker 1: running is a privilege. The ability to move our body
- 39:32Speaker 1: is a privilege, and sometimes we forget that and it
- 39:36Speaker 1: becomes a little bit of a punishment. Our sport is
- 39:39Speaker 1: sometimes a punishment for other people's sport, right, but it
- 39:42Speaker 1: really isn't.
- 39:42Speaker 2: It's a privilege to be able to do this.
- 39:45Speaker 1: And so when women enter with that mindset, it's going
- 39:48Speaker 1: to serve them.
- 39:49Speaker 2: Women.
- 39:50Speaker 3: To be in this position now, to be such a
- 39:52Speaker 3: vocal leader for so many women, something that you did
- 39:56Speaker 3: not see from a young age.
- 39:57Speaker 2: What does it mean to you?
- 39:59Speaker 1: It is my the feeling that you've lived your purpose,
- 40:04Speaker 1: that you're living your purpose every single day, nothing else
- 40:09Speaker 1: is left to accomplish.
- 40:11Speaker 2: That's what it means to me.
- 40:12Speaker 1: And I've just come to realize that late in my forties.
- 40:16Speaker 1: So for the young women out there that are just
- 40:18Speaker 1: trying to figure life out, whether you're eighteen or twenty
- 40:21Speaker 1: eight or thirty eight, understand that one day you're going
- 40:24Speaker 1: to wake up. If you just consistently work hard and
- 40:27Speaker 1: put your head down and stay true to yourself, you're
- 40:30Speaker 1: going to wake up one day and you're going to
- 40:32Speaker 1: be exactly where you were meant to be. And that's
- 40:34Speaker 1: where I'm at now, and it is it's such an honor.
- 40:37Speaker 3: Does that mean that you could be content if you
- 40:41Speaker 3: had to tomorrow stop doing what you're doing, would you
- 40:43Speaker 3: feel content with what you've done?
- 40:45Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I feel very content. There's so much
- 40:47Speaker 2: more I want to do.
- 40:49Speaker 3: But yeah, right now, you have an opportunity to offer
- 40:52Speaker 3: your younger self a piece of advice, the one that's
- 40:55Speaker 3: walking out of the house without her shoes on, saying,
- 40:59Speaker 3: I've got to do my own thing, knowing what you know. Now,
- 41:02Speaker 3: what would you tell yourself during that hurdle moment You're.
- 41:05Speaker 2: Gonna make it.
- 41:06Speaker 1: You're going to make it, because that was a question
- 41:10Speaker 1: I couldn't answer, and I would love to tell her.
- 41:13Speaker 2: You're going to make it.
- 41:15Speaker 3: So so so grateful that we have the opportunity to
- 41:17Speaker 3: sit down. For those that aren't following along with you
- 41:20Speaker 3: just yet, tell us how do we find you on
- 41:21Speaker 3: the socials?
- 41:22Speaker 2: How do we keep up?
- 41:23Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram dolgit do Songe Taylor
- 41:26Speaker 1: and yeah, just follow the journey at YU and my Pros.
- 41:29Speaker 3: TC, swosh TC, I'm over at Emile Body and at
- 41:33Speaker 3: Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.
- 41:35Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.