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BONUS: Ryan Day Hints At A Change Coming To The Ohio State Offense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 2: one as my man, Tony Gerdaman will be joining us.
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Speaker 2: Tony and I have not reconvened since before spring, where
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Speaker 2: we kind of laid out our thoughts on a lot
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Speaker 2: of position groups, a lot of different things we may
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Speaker 2: or may not see heading into this spring. Some things
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Speaker 2: we were right about, some things we were wrong. But
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Speaker 2: tonight we're gonna bring Tony back on. We're gonna dive
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Speaker 2: into some of those things that we talked about beforehand
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Speaker 2: kind of where we stand now. We are gonna get
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Speaker 2: to your questions or comments or super chats. Should you
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Speaker 2: have any to fire away, go ahead and fire him
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Speaker 2: away at us. I'll keep Tony as long as as
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Speaker 2: long as we can. But let's bring him on, the
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Speaker 2: Man of the Hour, Tony Gernaman. What's up, buddy, the
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Speaker 2: man of your hour? Yes, doing well? How are you
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Speaker 2: fantastic brother? Thanks so much for coming on. Tone. We're
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Speaker 2: headed into the last week of spring. It's really flown by,
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Speaker 2: and I just kind of want to go in on
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Speaker 2: some position groups, a few players, some philosophical things. But
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Speaker 2: I want to start with one thing I'm excited about
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Speaker 2: and one thing I'm fretting. And I guess we'll start
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Speaker 2: about the thing I'm excited about, the X factor, the
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Speaker 2: X factor. But before we begin the X factor, I
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Speaker 2: want to make a statement, and I want you to
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Speaker 2: tell me how you feel about my statement, if you
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Speaker 2: feel it's an accurate opinion, or if you think that
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Speaker 2: it's a little off base. So I'm of the opinion
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Speaker 2: that Ryan Day, throughout the course of his career, has
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Speaker 2: coached his quarterbacks much more so than most coaches, to
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Speaker 2: be very hesitant to run the football. I think some
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Speaker 2: of this is trying to develop them into better pocket passers.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is fear of wasting
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Speaker 2: all of the time they've spent developing the quarterback and
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Speaker 2: having him sit on the bench due to an injury.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people disagree with that, but I think
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Speaker 2: that is something that is that is pretty fair to
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Speaker 2: say about day. What do you think about that?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think some of that fear and I do
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Speaker 3: agree there's some, but he also doesn't want his quarterbacks
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Speaker 3: to be fearful. Goes back to Justin Fields against what
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Speaker 3: Penn State, where he first got banged up and then
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Speaker 3: he had to deal with various little dings throughout much
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Speaker 3: of the twenty nineteen season which may have cost them.
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Speaker 3: He may view that as costing them a national championship
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Speaker 3: if they had if he had been fully healthy and
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Speaker 3: not having to deal with some of the things that
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Speaker 3: he was dealing with, maybe they would have won it all.
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Speaker 3: But I think you also have to look at what
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Speaker 3: quarterback says he had that were capable and willing runners,
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Speaker 3: and I think you know, Justin Fields and Will Howard
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Speaker 3: were basically the only two and they did enough to
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Speaker 3: get the job done. Will Howard obviously wins a national championship,
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Speaker 3: but I do think it's also dependent upon who you
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Speaker 3: have behind you, and when Justin Fields was the starting quarterback,
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Speaker 3: they didn't have anybody behind them until.
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Speaker 2: I guess you could say c J.
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Speaker 3: Stroud is a true freshman in twenty twenty, but he
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Speaker 3: didn't throw a pass that year. So I think there's
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Speaker 3: you don't you try to get away with not doing it.
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Speaker 3: But when you ask defensive guys, defensive coaches, what do
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Speaker 3: they hate? They hate a quarterback that can run, And
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Speaker 3: so I think limiting that or saying, you know, let's
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Speaker 3: just be careful with that. Limit your offense. Now, if
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Speaker 3: you've got enough skill around you, that's fine, but man,
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Speaker 3: having a guy that just We've said it for years now,
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Speaker 3: no matter who the quarterback was, going back from c J.
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Speaker 3: Stroud through klub Accord and then again with Julian saying
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Speaker 3: it's like if you just pull one of those one
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Speaker 3: or two a game on what is not even a
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Speaker 3: read option.
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Speaker 2: It's just a handoff.
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Speaker 3: But if you make it a read then that creates
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Speaker 3: just a little bit of doubt in the defense's mind
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Speaker 3: and you don't have to do a bunch and you
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Speaker 3: can slide down after six yards if you want. But
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Speaker 3: I do think some of the fear is just like, well,
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Speaker 3: who do we have behind us? You know, who do
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Speaker 3: we have behind the starter, and they don't always have
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Speaker 3: two guys that they're feeling great about.
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Speaker 2: There have definitely been some rough ones behind the starter,
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Speaker 2: either really really inexperienced or a Tristan Jebia type. Last
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Speaker 2: game against Michigan, we heard Ryan Day say in the
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Speaker 2: press conference after the game that Julian's first down scramble
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Speaker 2: was maybe the biggest play of the game for him,
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Speaker 2: which I thought was awesome to hear. I loved hearing
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Speaker 2: him say that. Then a month ago, Ryan Day, when
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Speaker 2: talking about Julian saying running the ball called it his
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Speaker 2: X factor, And at the time I thought he was
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Speaker 2: talking about Julian scrambling, scrambling when you need it and
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Speaker 2: being ready like in the Miami game when he threw
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Speaker 2: it away and everybody went, what are you doing right there?
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Speaker 2: Like I, you know, I thought, Okay, he's making a
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Speaker 2: specific effort to talk to him about plays like this.
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Speaker 2: But he go get that first down, we need you now.
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Speaker 2: And then he was asked again last week and he
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Speaker 2: elaborated a little bit on I'm gonna play that for
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Speaker 2: everybody to hear exactly what he said here, that's the
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Speaker 2: X factor.
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Speaker 4: And it's something you know he knows that you know,
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Speaker 4: some of the games he did this year, and you know,
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Speaker 4: I think going into this season, you know there's gonna
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Speaker 4: be opportunities for him to do that, and that you know,
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Speaker 4: can be a big point of the game. And so
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Speaker 4: I think there's two ways to do that. One is
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Speaker 4: when it breaks down, you know, escaping the pocket, keeping
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Speaker 4: your eyes down field, or then escaping and you know,
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Speaker 4: getting a few yards. You know, in the Rivalry game
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Speaker 4: he had a big scramble on the down the sideline
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Speaker 4: for a first down. That was huge. Yeah, more of that,
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Speaker 4: the better. And then there's also the you know, the
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Speaker 4: run game where whether it's a designer run or he's
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Speaker 4: reading somebody in the box, you know, quitting numbers. So
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Speaker 4: you know, the more we can do that, the better.
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Speaker 2: So obviously the second part kind of like I went, whoa,
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Speaker 2: he's not just talking about scrambling, he's he's saying talking
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Speaker 2: about it, and he's not you know, talking about how much,
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Speaker 2: but he is talking about a little bit of designed
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Speaker 2: run when it comes to Julian saying and that one
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Speaker 2: really surprised me. Do you think that that is part
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Speaker 2: of the kind of evolution of the new offense that
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Speaker 2: he's seeing in or do you think that's just you know,
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Speaker 2: maybe just coming from last year and how it ended.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's looking back at last
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Speaker 3: year and what did they leave on the field and
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Speaker 3: what opportunities did they not capitalize on. And when he
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Speaker 3: talked to Julian himself, he'll tell you there were you know,
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Speaker 3: the Miami game, he left some first downs out there
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Speaker 3: that he could have scrambled for. And I think you
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Speaker 3: can look at that over the course of the year
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Speaker 3: as well. I remember defending c. J. Stroud for not
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Speaker 3: running because he's he was such an accurate quarterback and
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Speaker 3: when you've got the receivers that he had, you know,
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Speaker 3: like would you rather let him throw it to Jackson
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Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba or see if you can pick up
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Speaker 3: four yards on a scramble. But then you watch him
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Speaker 3: in that Georgia games like, Okay, maybe he should have
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Speaker 3: scrambled for receivers, be damned. But you know, with Julian,
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, he talked about wanting to chase
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Speaker 3: what he was missing last year and what wasn't there
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Speaker 3: for him last year. So in terms of like what
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Speaker 3: he doesn't do as well as he wants and this
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Speaker 3: is a guy that has been a quarterback basically his
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Speaker 3: entire life, trying to perfect a position. So this is
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Speaker 3: an aspect of being a quarterback, whether you like it
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Speaker 3: or not. And if you don't like it, you can't
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Speaker 3: be a quarterback. And I think that's something else I
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Speaker 3: said about C. J. Stroud at the time, is like
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Speaker 3: you have to be brave to play the position, so
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Speaker 3: a reluctance to run, And I think I think it's
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Speaker 3: better to say they have a preference to throw than
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Speaker 3: necessarily at reluctance to run because you're getting hit anyway,
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Speaker 3: Like you're getting hit back there, but you know you
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Speaker 3: don't necessarily want to force it and you don't want
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Speaker 3: this equal and opposite reaction as you're running towards a defender.
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Speaker 3: But I think you got to give the guys credit
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Speaker 3: that play the position for being brave enough to stand
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Speaker 3: back there, because I mean, you've seen it, you know,
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Speaker 3: field level now with these practices, like how in the
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Speaker 3: world are they how do you process all that while
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Speaker 3: you know what's going on, like people are trying to
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Speaker 3: tear you down and you know you can't be touched
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Speaker 3: in practice, But that only lasts so long. So I
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Speaker 3: in terms of but overall, I do think running will help.
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Speaker 3: I'll be surprised to see if there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: like do you are you expecting any quarterback draws or
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Speaker 3: any you know, QB powers or anything like that. Very
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Speaker 3: very yeah, just just throwing some reads and and it
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Speaker 3: doesn't have to be a bunch, it just has to
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Speaker 3: be an Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm really excited if he really means it, because if
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Speaker 2: he really means it, to your point, I think that
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Speaker 2: when you look at the goal line offense last year,
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Speaker 2: which you know they struggled with versus twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: they were really good with, which had to do with
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Speaker 2: Will being able to not just run, but also the
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Speaker 2: threat of him running. And Julian is not, you know,
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Speaker 2: a bad athlete, not a plus athlete. He's a fine athlete.
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Speaker 2: And if he can put a couple of those across
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Speaker 2: the goal line early, or even just pull a couple
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Speaker 2: of those, I think it puts people on notice, and
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Speaker 2: it makes the defense a little less comfortable, like you
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Speaker 2: were saying, And I think that if you're a defense
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Speaker 2: and you're lining up and you've got no threat of
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Speaker 2: that whatsoever, I think we probably put a couple of
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Speaker 2: plays at least pictures of plays up last year on
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Speaker 2: the show, just kind of watching the defense, like look
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Speaker 2: at him crashing here. He has no care in the
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Speaker 2: world about the potential of Julian peeling back, and because
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Speaker 2: of it, the play has gotten blown up. All you
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Speaker 2: got to do is a few times and and hearing
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Speaker 2: Day call this the X factor and talking about potentially
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Speaker 2: running reads. I mean it makes me feel like, all right,
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Speaker 2: that's one more check to make this offense a little
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Speaker 2: bit better. And that's all it needs to be is
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Speaker 2: a little bit better. So I'm pretty excited about it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'd put put the over under
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Speaker 2: on Julian Saying rushing yards. So you did a study.
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Speaker 2: Tell us about the study that you did that this
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Speaker 2: data you compiled.
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Speaker 3: Well, first off, let's put an over under on touchdown
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Speaker 3: rushes for Julian Saying, because the only two starting quarterbacks
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Speaker 3: that have rushed for touchdowns under Ryan Day as a
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Speaker 3: head coach are justin fields and Will Howard Wow, well
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Speaker 3: nobody else, so a half and if he breaks it.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, so you go back years of national champions right,
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Speaker 3: and you can. I went actually back all the way
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Speaker 3: to the start of the century, which sounds terrible to
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Speaker 3: say two thousand and one, but just the last twenty years.
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Speaker 3: I'll give you an example, and of the last twenty
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Speaker 3: national championship winters, either a quarterback, whether it's the starter
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Speaker 3: or it's Tim Tebow or you know the second gif
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Speaker 3: concerned a quarterback for the last national twenty national champions
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Speaker 3: has rushed for at least two hundred yards that season.
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Speaker 3: There's five exceptions where the quarterback did not rush for
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Speaker 3: at least two hundred yards, and I'll just go ahead and
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Speaker 3: give them to you, Juck. I know you know the
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Speaker 3: association of these quarterbacks, but let the listeners in on
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Speaker 3: it as well. So these quarterbacks that have not rushed
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Speaker 3: for two hundred yards in the last twenty years and
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Speaker 3: still won a national title, right, Mac Jones, Jake Coker,
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Speaker 3: AJ mccerron, AJ mccerron, and Greg McElroy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got Alabama, Nicks, Saban quarterbacks on some
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Speaker 2: ridiculously good teams. They were able to skirt that two
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Speaker 2: hundred rushing yard mark.
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Speaker 3: And I'll throw to go back to two thousand and
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Speaker 3: one all the way, so that the five that I
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Speaker 3: left off the list. It happened three times. One was
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Speaker 3: Matt Mack at LSU in two thousand and three, also
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Speaker 3: a saving quarterback. Yeah, and then Matt Liiner and Ken
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Speaker 3: Dorsey who had NFL teams around them.
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Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. So we're just talking two hundred yards now,
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Speaker 2: Julian last year was like minus fifty yards or something,
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Speaker 2: because I can't stand the way they do this. It
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Speaker 2: makes it so difficult with it. They don't just sackage
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Speaker 2: us this. But I guess we're talking to get to
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Speaker 2: two hundred yards at sixteen games, I mean average about
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Speaker 2: fifteen yards a game, right, and you're there, and I
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Speaker 2: think that's doable. I mean, if you're really trying to
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Speaker 2: do it, if you're going to say, all right, three
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Speaker 2: four times a game plus a couple of scrambles, you're there, right.
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Speaker 3: And and but there you'll have a forty yard day,
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Speaker 3: you know, with a long a long legit QB drawl
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Speaker 3: like Will Howard had some of those, or just you know,
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Speaker 3: like Will Howard's best day when they won a national
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Speaker 3: championship and he rushed for two undred and twenty six
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Speaker 3: yards fifty seven yards in the National Championship game. And
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Speaker 3: sometimes you've got to run that quarterback to win that game.
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Speaker 3: And they ran him sixteen times in that game. That
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Speaker 3: was a season high by far, sixteen including sacks of course,
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Speaker 3: but I don't remember how many sacks there were. But
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Speaker 3: his best game other than that was thirty seven against
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Speaker 3: against Tennessee, right, and and he had you know, he
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Speaker 3: had one of the long scrambles against Oregon, I think
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Speaker 3: in there. So he also had games of negative yardage
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Speaker 3: negative two against Marshall, negative one against Indiana, negative three
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Speaker 3: against Oregon in the Rose Bowl. But if you just
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Speaker 3: consistently putting him up, you know, good things happen. And
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Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza, we view him as kind of a scrambler guy.
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Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy six yards, not a bunch. JJ
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Speaker 3: McCarthy very mobile, two hundred and two yards Stetson Bennett
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Speaker 3: the year before.
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Speaker 2: Two oh five.
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Speaker 3: Like we're not saying you need to rush for six
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Speaker 3: hundred yards like Tim Tebow or Deshaun Watson or a
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Speaker 3: you know, one thy and sixteen like J. T. Barrett,
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Speaker 3: Cardell Jones combined. Four It's just enough to keep things alive. Now,
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Speaker 3: I will say the runners up the last five years
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Speaker 3: Carson Back forty three yards rushing in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix in twenty twenty three eight yards for the season.
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Speaker 3: These are season totals, and then Bryce Young in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty one zero yards on eighty one attempts. So like,
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Speaker 3: if you just want to get to the National Championship,
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Speaker 3: that's fine, good, you want to win it. If you
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Speaker 3: want to win it, you've either got to have a
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Speaker 3: quarterback that was signed by Nick Saban which Ohio State?
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Speaker 2: Does there? We go or run him a little bit? Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And I just I wonder if Coach Day read your
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Speaker 2: story and he started thinking like maybe this is a way.
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Speaker 2: All right, So the X factor I'm excited about it.
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Speaker 2: Now here's something I'm fretting, the pace of play. This
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Speaker 2: was brought up last last week or maybe two weeks
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Speaker 2: ago again in a couple different ways to Coach Day
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Speaker 2: at his press conference, And we know when someone's bringing
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Speaker 2: this up, they're addressing to him, hey, coach, you were
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Speaker 2: one thirty fifth out of one thirty sixth that's not
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Speaker 2: something that happens by accident. Can maybe we elaborate on
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Speaker 2: if that's going to change this year? That's what they
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Speaker 2: really want to know. But what he keeps doing, Tony
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Speaker 2: is turning it into a discussion about playing fast, which
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Speaker 2: nobody's asking. It's clear you don't play fast. We all
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Speaker 2: get that. That to me feels like a little bit
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Speaker 2: of spin and that he doesn't want to touch this conversation.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know why, but that's what everybody's looking
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Speaker 2: for when they bring it up. You don't get to
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Speaker 2: one thirty five out of one thirty six by accident. However,
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Speaker 2: we've got a new offensive coordinator. And when I look
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Speaker 2: at this new offensive coordinator, and I look at the
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Speaker 2: past offensive coordinators, when I look at Chip Kelly, when
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Speaker 2: I look at Brian Hartline, these are guys that Ryan
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Speaker 2: Day to him like family. Right When I look at
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Speaker 2: his relationship with Art, this is a respect relationship. This
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Speaker 2: is a guy that he really respects from the NFL.
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Speaker 2: He respects his career path, he respects that he's been
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Speaker 2: a head coach in the NFL, which I Ryan Day's
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Speaker 2: my age. I suspect he he's still you know, it
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Speaker 2: thinks maybe that might happen for him. And there's just
18:53
Speaker 2: a different dynamic there. And I feel like, also now
18:57
Speaker 2: we're in his third year of having an offensive is
19:00
Speaker 2: used to it. I think he might give him the
19:02
Speaker 2: keys to the to the offense a little more than
19:05
Speaker 2: we've seen in the past, is what I'm getting at.
19:07
Speaker 2: I think he might stay out of the way a
19:09
Speaker 2: little bit and let him do his thing, which makes
19:12
Speaker 2: me think that, you know, it's more going to be
19:15
Speaker 2: Art Smith dictating a little more of that pace than
19:19
Speaker 2: what we've seen previously. At least that's what I'm trying
19:22
Speaker 2: to tell myself to feel better about it. What are
19:25
Speaker 2: your thoughts on all that?
19:28
Speaker 3: I think I'm with you. When the pace of play
19:32
Speaker 3: is brought up, it's you know, that's what happens. But
19:35
Speaker 3: it's like, I think the thing is, you can you
19:39
Speaker 3: don't have to run a play every eight nine twelve seconds,
19:43
Speaker 3: but you also don't have to let the clock it
19:45
Speaker 3: down to eight nine seconds before you you snap it.
19:49
Speaker 3: You can snap it at fifteen or whatever, even though
19:51
Speaker 3: I know that's when things shut off and that's when
19:53
Speaker 3: you stop getting the call in and so there's gotta
19:55
Speaker 3: be some communication after that. Yeah, I do expect him
20:01
Speaker 3: to stay back and allow Arthur Smith to do what
20:06
Speaker 3: he wants to do. But coming from the NFL, you
20:10
Speaker 3: know everything that Ryan Day talks about is this is
20:13
Speaker 3: like the NFL. Here, this is like the NFL. There,
20:16
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith is coming from the NFL. Why would he
20:19
Speaker 3: necessarily change like, Oh, now I'm in college. I'm going
20:22
Speaker 3: to try to do what college does. I don't know that,
20:26
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's enjoying the idea of the different
20:32
Speaker 3: styles of the sport compared to the NFL and what
20:36
Speaker 3: you can do differently and that, But I I don't
20:40
Speaker 3: know how much he's going to be interested in, you know,
20:43
Speaker 3: whether we're not talking tempo, we're just talking pace of play,
20:46
Speaker 3: and there will be tempo here and there. I do
20:49
Speaker 3: think things will move faster just because you've got an
20:51
Speaker 3: experienced play caller. I think that will help. You have
20:55
Speaker 3: an experienced quarterback. I think that will help. You're going
20:57
Speaker 3: to give the quarterback probably more time at the line
21:01
Speaker 3: to see if he needs to change anything, and if
21:03
Speaker 3: he doesn't, boom go. So I think there's there will
21:05
Speaker 3: be a desire to get the plays in faster so
21:09
Speaker 3: that Julian can take a look at what he's looking
21:11
Speaker 3: at and you're not running the clock down to Okay,
21:14
Speaker 3: now it's fifteen, the clock shut off and Julian's like, Okay,
21:16
Speaker 3: this is what we're going to do. I don't have
21:18
Speaker 3: time to, you know, make any adjustments. We're just going
21:20
Speaker 3: to go with this boom. Defensive end crashes down on
21:23
Speaker 3: the run and it's, you know, a four yard loss.
21:26
Speaker 3: I think if you've got a quarterback that you always
21:28
Speaker 3: talk about how much he understands the offense, and you
21:30
Speaker 3: want to give him more than you want to let
21:32
Speaker 3: him do this, you got to give him the play
21:34
Speaker 3: earlier and let him see what's in front of him
21:37
Speaker 3: and give him more responsibility because that's that's what he wants.
21:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think all that, all that will help.
21:45
Speaker 2: What I also anticipate is Art being being able to
21:50
Speaker 2: and we we've heard him talk about in videos. I
21:53
Speaker 2: think is one of the videos I played was when
21:55
Speaker 2: he was talking to is Atlanta staff when he first
21:57
Speaker 2: got there, and he was just talking about different packages
22:01
Speaker 2: and saying, now we can run this no huddle, and
22:03
Speaker 2: he brought it up like three or four times. I
22:06
Speaker 2: see him, you know, getting that involved at some points
22:10
Speaker 2: throughout the game as well, and you know that stuff
22:13
Speaker 2: just kind of compiles and I and I basically I
22:15
Speaker 2: think what everybody's looking for is for it just not
22:18
Speaker 2: to feel like this intentional slog where you're going down
22:22
Speaker 2: to five seconds every play, and it's just, uh, it
22:26
Speaker 2: might make a big, big difference all those little things
22:28
Speaker 2: combined where all of a sudden and it's really not
22:31
Speaker 2: that many plays from one thirty five to be up
22:34
Speaker 2: to you know, ninetieth in the country, but just the
22:38
Speaker 2: lack of intentional we're going to be so slow. I
22:41
Speaker 2: guess it's how it's about. And I did not factor
22:43
Speaker 2: in that. You know, some of that might have been
22:46
Speaker 2: the play caller was just taking a little longer to
22:49
Speaker 2: process everything. I didn't really factor that in, but that
22:53
Speaker 2: does make sense.
22:54
Speaker 3: Well, although you know they ran two more plays last
22:57
Speaker 3: year than they did with Chip.
22:58
Speaker 2: Kelly, so true too. I got nothing for you, man,
23:01
Speaker 2: good all right. Saturday's practice tone yards after catch has
23:06
Speaker 2: been a focal point. We've heard him talk about it,
23:09
Speaker 2: and it certainly appeared that as we were looking at
23:12
Speaker 2: the routes, man, we are uh.
23:17
Speaker 4: I did.
23:19
Speaker 2: Add it's not advantageous to wear out the opposition. When
23:23
Speaker 2: you're running less plays, more plays wear out the opposition. Sorry,
23:28
Speaker 2: So Saturday's practice mesh routes getting the ball into people's
23:34
Speaker 2: hands as they're moving, and I think we saw quite
23:37
Speaker 2: a bit more of that, and it looked a lot
23:39
Speaker 2: different than last year. That's going to be part of
23:41
Speaker 2: getting yards after catch in addition to personnel maybe a
23:45
Speaker 2: little better suited for it. But I also want to
23:47
Speaker 2: bring up that in twenty twenty three, I thought wide
23:50
Speaker 2: receiver blocking was not very good, and in twenty twenty four,
23:55
Speaker 2: when Chip came in, he made it a big focal point,
23:58
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I thought we saw the
24:00
Speaker 2: best wide receiver blocking we'd seen in years, and then
24:04
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five felt like it dropped right back down.
24:08
Speaker 2: And I think when they make that a point of emphasis,
24:10
Speaker 2: because it is so much an effort thing that we
24:14
Speaker 2: see results, and it seems like they're certainly putting emphasis
24:18
Speaker 2: on that. In addition to that, you got a lot
24:21
Speaker 2: of talent pretty deep that looks ready to play, and
24:25
Speaker 2: when you know that, you're not safe in your reps
24:28
Speaker 2: and it's an effort thing. I think we're gonna see
24:32
Speaker 2: not just much better blocking from the wide receivers this year,
24:35
Speaker 2: but also with the you know, the addition of these
24:38
Speaker 2: uh this kind of old style Ryan Day mesh routes
24:42
Speaker 2: and concepts. With these guys in motion, I think we're
24:44
Speaker 2: gonna see a substantial improvement there.
24:47
Speaker 3: And you've got some tight ends that can move as
24:49
Speaker 3: well in terms of that fallback age back roll. You know,
24:52
Speaker 3: I was saw on Twitter somebody posted a bunch of
24:55
Speaker 3: clips of the twenty nineteen oor High State Michigan game,
24:57
Speaker 3: and it's that that game was just meshroute after mesh
25:00
Speaker 3: against man coverage, and High State guys are just running free.
25:04
Speaker 3: It's like, boy, you know that that was an offense
25:07
Speaker 3: and they were, they were running to plays, and then
25:10
Speaker 3: with the Chip Kelly thing, they knew they were going
25:13
Speaker 3: to do more east west stuff, so the receivers have
25:15
Speaker 3: to be able to block that. And and then last
25:17
Speaker 3: year's more downfield stuff. So it's like, you know it,
25:21
Speaker 3: you know it is what it is this now if
25:24
Speaker 3: you're and I said it once once they started talking
25:27
Speaker 3: about yards after catch, like that's great, but you guys
25:30
Speaker 3: got to block and everybody's got to be in because gosh,
25:34
Speaker 3: a thrown a screen out wide can be just as
25:38
Speaker 3: bad as worse than a fall start, you know, because
25:42
Speaker 3: it leads you four yards and you lost a play.
25:44
Speaker 3: And now it's like, well, I guess.
25:47
Speaker 1: Uh.
25:47
Speaker 3: You know, at any point that's a terrible play. So
25:50
Speaker 3: that's usually blown up because somebody isn't blocking or you know,
25:54
Speaker 3: they missed, they missed the corner of triggering or whatever.
25:58
Speaker 3: But it's it's huge, and if they're going to focus
26:02
Speaker 3: on it, then you know they're older at it. They've
26:04
Speaker 3: said good things about Devin McEwan there, obviously Kyle Parker
26:07
Speaker 3: looks the part in terms of and and Brandon Innis.
26:11
Speaker 3: These are both like five eleven, two hundred pound guys
26:14
Speaker 3: that you know are strong enough to block. And of
26:18
Speaker 3: course you know Jeremiah is going to do what Jeremiah
26:20
Speaker 3: needs to do. And I you know, when I saw
26:24
Speaker 3: Jeremiah the first time this spring, I thought you looked
26:27
Speaker 3: a little thinner, And to me that meant that they
26:30
Speaker 3: were going to do a bunch of shorter stuff and
26:34
Speaker 3: then make people mess and then to hear them talk
26:36
Speaker 3: about it afterwards like huh, I was right about something,
26:39
Speaker 3: juck yeah later. Yeah. I just think if you want
26:44
Speaker 3: to do that, you're going to have to focus on it.
26:45
Speaker 3: And they always talk about you get what you focus on,
26:47
Speaker 3: whether it's turnovers or blocking, and if they're that focus,
26:53
Speaker 3: if the receivers are that focused on blocking, then that's
26:56
Speaker 3: also going to help the running backs. And you know,
26:59
Speaker 3: and with the running backs also not to skip ahead,
27:02
Speaker 3: but with the running backs also focused on making people
27:04
Speaker 3: miss and running through arm tackles. After what you know,
27:06
Speaker 3: they didn't quite get done last year, you think there's
27:10
Speaker 3: a lot of reason for optimism with the with the
27:12
Speaker 3: running game, and that shortyard is that short passing game.
27:14
Speaker 3: They'll consider the running game anyway, whether it's RPO or
27:17
Speaker 3: the screen game, they consider all of that the running game.
27:20
Speaker 2: Let's get there. We'll go back to wide receiver. I
27:23
Speaker 2: want to talk about so those backs. When you talk
27:26
Speaker 2: about Bo Jackson, and we've heard a lot of things
27:30
Speaker 2: about Bow and you know, you put on the Buckeye
27:33
Speaker 2: huddle board about the five hundred yards that was left
27:35
Speaker 2: out there on the field that he went over with
27:37
Speaker 2: Coach Locke watched all the film. It's okay, here's five
27:41
Speaker 2: hundred yards. They added up that if you'd have broke
27:43
Speaker 2: this one tackle right here, you could have been from
27:46
Speaker 2: here to here and added it all up. When you
27:49
Speaker 2: look at things like that, when you look at all
27:51
Speaker 2: those in Bow was great getting ten yard chunks, but
27:55
Speaker 2: it felt like that next level that it needs to
27:59
Speaker 2: be different from, and they're on need to just break
28:01
Speaker 2: a few more of those, and it was so frustrating
28:05
Speaker 2: because it felt like he was so close so many times.
28:09
Speaker 2: Is that something you can get better at? I don't
28:11
Speaker 2: know if this isn't just something that's natural instinctual balance.
28:16
Speaker 2: Sometimes I just wonder if that is something that can
28:18
Speaker 2: be improved. What's your thoughts on that?
28:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, because I mean there were times
28:25
Speaker 3: where there's no business being tackled. On a couple of those,
28:29
Speaker 3: maybe it was against the Indiana Indiana where somebody just
28:33
Speaker 3: reached behind and knocked down Bo Jackson, and there were
28:37
Speaker 3: others as well where it's just like, you know, just
28:41
Speaker 3: a glancing blow and I know he's frustrated by that,
28:45
Speaker 3: and they're working on that to get stronger and run
28:49
Speaker 3: through those. The expectation is that they will, but I
28:53
Speaker 3: think you do need to see it where if just
28:56
Speaker 3: whether it's a loss of balance or not picking up feet,
28:59
Speaker 3: whatever it is. I know they they think they're going
29:03
Speaker 3: to fix it, but again, Bo Jackson and Isaiah West
29:06
Speaker 3: aren' out there working on it. You know, they're they're they're, yeah,
29:09
Speaker 3: doing what they can, but it's gonna be an unanswered
29:13
Speaker 3: question until we see it in reality.
29:15
Speaker 2: But I do think.
29:17
Speaker 3: Being so close last year is a true freshman and
29:19
Speaker 3: still averaging six point one yards per carry, which is
29:22
Speaker 3: a legit number, UH with what leading the big ten
29:27
Speaker 3: and ten yard carries and leading you know, being like
29:31
Speaker 3: only only three or four players had more thirty yard rushes.
29:33
Speaker 3: But there was like there needs to be more after that,
29:37
Speaker 3: and I think you'll see that. But I'm with you.
29:40
Speaker 3: I I think you'll see that. It's there were just
29:45
Speaker 3: some last year was just like, you know that that's disappointing,
29:48
Speaker 3: and there was there was frustration all around on those you.
29:52
Speaker 2: Know what, I'm what I'm looking forward to this year
29:54
Speaker 2: and again with the UH, with the introduction of Jacoby
29:59
Speaker 2: and how good he's looking. I'm not sure how much
30:00
Speaker 2: we're going to get it. But we never really got
30:03
Speaker 2: to see Isaiah get in a rhythm. He was always
30:06
Speaker 2: coming in a spot and they tell you don't get
30:09
Speaker 2: in a rhythm, but it's just, you know, Bo was
30:11
Speaker 2: getting in rhythms, and and Bo when he was in
30:13
Speaker 2: a rhythm, he was getting to that next level in Isaiah.
30:19
Speaker 2: I think that seeing a little more of him in
30:21
Speaker 2: that role. I think we might we might be surprised,
30:24
Speaker 2: at least some people might by what he could potentially
30:27
Speaker 2: put on there. But to Jacoby, he looks legit man.
30:32
Speaker 2: You know, when you want, I think you've got three
30:35
Speaker 2: at least very solid big ten backs, solid to good
30:38
Speaker 2: because he looks really good to me.
30:41
Speaker 3: You know, I've been told he's probably the most instinctual
30:44
Speaker 3: runner on the team, and he just he looks smooth
30:48
Speaker 3: the couple of days that we've seen him. Now there's
30:51
Speaker 3: there wasn't always tackling going on, but we were there
30:54
Speaker 3: on Saturday when you kind of pass out out in
30:57
Speaker 3: the flats and he left Peyton Pearce in the dust
30:59
Speaker 3: with a juke there.
31:00
Speaker 2: So that was good to see.
31:02
Speaker 4: Hear that.
31:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he is, he's been impressive, you know. And
31:11
Speaker 3: that's with a makeshift offensive line right now as well.
31:14
Speaker 3: But uh, I'm you know, I'm interested to see what
31:18
Speaker 3: happens in the spring game, to see what people think
31:21
Speaker 3: of him. Now, the spring game is notorious for like
31:23
Speaker 3: just the running game does not look good because usually
31:25
Speaker 3: there's the offensive line is so short changed. But overall,
31:30
Speaker 3: I'm with you, I think he he has impressed me
31:32
Speaker 3: enough to where like, I think he's definitely an upgrade
31:35
Speaker 3: over CJ. Donaldson, I don't you know.
31:38
Speaker 2: And C. J.
31:39
Speaker 3: Donaldson played quite a bit last year. Yeah, and because
31:44
Speaker 3: they had to, and now I think this is a
31:47
Speaker 3: much deeper room provided they can somebody can stay healthy.
31:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting for for those who who like
31:56
Speaker 2: to follow along with the interviews. We're going down tomorrow
31:59
Speaker 2: to talk up to the backs and coach Locke, and
32:02
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking to bow To Isaiah, neither
32:06
Speaker 2: of whom have practiced tall spring. We don't get to
32:09
Speaker 2: hear from Turbo, who once again we didn't get to
32:12
Speaker 2: see on Saturday, and we got to see Favor, who
32:17
Speaker 2: isn't up to wait yet. But I thought he looked
32:19
Speaker 2: pretty dog on good. I think you and I both
32:22
Speaker 2: agreed with it on that the Favor looks like he belongs.
32:26
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like he's got a huge bar to jump.
32:28
Speaker 2: He's got to get bigger, and that's great news. I
32:31
Speaker 2: think a lot of people thought maybe that was just
32:33
Speaker 2: a bit of a throw in, a bit of a
32:35
Speaker 2: number a local kid, because you didn't end up getting
32:38
Speaker 2: your big time guy. But that's not the case. He's
32:40
Speaker 2: a guy who could potentially play. But back to the
32:42
Speaker 2: receivers on Saturday, to me, I thought one guy really
32:48
Speaker 2: stood out, and maybe it was because I was somewhat
32:50
Speaker 2: skeptical and wanted to see it myself before I was
32:53
Speaker 2: bought in. And it's Devin McEwan. And now I'm bought in.
32:56
Speaker 2: That dude's got juice. I think he can definitely be
33:00
Speaker 2: a big time yack monster opposite JJ, which I think
33:04
Speaker 2: is an interesting combo instead of a JJ and a Carnel,
33:09
Speaker 2: to have a JJ and a guy like him, and
33:11
Speaker 2: I'm kind of really looking forward to it. But he
33:13
Speaker 2: looked damn good.
33:16
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and if if they're gonna bracket Jeremiah, right,
33:18
Speaker 3: and you get the ball to Devin, whether you know,
33:21
Speaker 3: seven yards or nine yards or whatever, you make one
33:24
Speaker 3: guy miss, there may not be anybody back. Yeah, you
33:28
Speaker 3: know too. And he got the corner on somebody. He
33:31
Speaker 3: went down the side like he took a short short
33:33
Speaker 3: catch and hit the hit the edge and you can
33:36
Speaker 3: see the speed there. I think there's a lot to
33:39
Speaker 3: like there. And I think anytime you have players, whether
33:43
Speaker 3: they're recruits or transfers, that know like this, this is
33:48
Speaker 3: his last shot. Right, this is Devin McEwan's last shot.
33:51
Speaker 3: He's going to a room that is probably not going
33:54
Speaker 3: to be easy to play at, right, and and and
33:57
Speaker 3: yet that doesn't determine fact. That's what draws him. He
33:59
Speaker 3: wants to be part of this and wants to compete
34:02
Speaker 3: for a spot, knowing that nothing is guaranteed and it's
34:06
Speaker 3: not going to be easy. And and also you may
34:11
Speaker 3: not get as many passes as you want, but there
34:13
Speaker 3: will also be less defensive focus on you, which means
34:16
Speaker 3: you could you could really do some damage. So I
34:19
Speaker 3: always like it when you got players that are like,
34:22
Speaker 3: I'm looking for the tough stick and I know you know.
34:25
Speaker 3: That's that's what brought rock PoID to Ohio State as well. Yeah,
34:29
Speaker 3: those are dudes with stones.
34:31
Speaker 2: I like that. Those are the guys that excel. Another
34:35
Speaker 2: guy that seems to be excelling so far this spring
34:38
Speaker 2: and has excelled all off season as Brandon Innis. Brandon
34:42
Speaker 2: Inness somehow has become a very polarizing topic despite doing
34:46
Speaker 2: everything right his entire flipping career. But when we talk
34:50
Speaker 2: about getting the ball with a guy in motion, I
34:53
Speaker 2: actually think that Brandon stands to gain the most here
34:57
Speaker 2: because stop start. He's not this quick, super hiccuppy guy,
35:03
Speaker 2: but getting the ball in motion with a little bit
35:06
Speaker 2: of a head of steam with his physicality, he's got
35:09
Speaker 2: a little bit of shiftiness to his hips. I think
35:11
Speaker 2: that'll help him quite a bit. And when we look
35:13
Speaker 2: at last year catching, I think thirty four to thirty
35:17
Speaker 2: five balls for just about two hundred and thirty yards.
35:20
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be heavily involved this year. I
35:23
Speaker 2: thought he looked really good. He's leaner, his hands are
35:27
Speaker 2: just a magnet makes the tough catches. I think he's
35:30
Speaker 2: gonna go over five hundred yards this year, Tony on
35:34
Speaker 2: how many catches, let's call it forty five?
35:39
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah. I think he's also gonna be wearing your
35:42
Speaker 3: block out this year as well. I know, the polarizing
35:48
Speaker 3: thing that you're talking about. And to see some back
35:51
Speaker 3: eye fans just you know the way they talk about him,
35:56
Speaker 3: and it's just like teammates love him, coaches love him,
36:02
Speaker 3: everybody in that building loves him, and he he he
36:07
Speaker 3: celebrates everybody and when something good is happening too, like
36:10
Speaker 3: he is competing with Kyle Parker right to to get
36:13
Speaker 3: more playing time anytime Kyle Parker does something, he's the
36:15
Speaker 3: happiest guy like this is this is exactly what you
36:18
Speaker 3: want your culture to be about. But I do agree
36:22
Speaker 3: seven and a half yards the catch isn't good enough,
36:23
Speaker 3: and he knows that. I do think an interesting study
36:26
Speaker 3: would be, you know, take the all twenty two and
36:29
Speaker 3: see how how often he was open and how often
36:33
Speaker 3: he didn't get the ball, and maybe that would change
36:34
Speaker 3: some people's minds. I did a you know, a series
36:38
Speaker 3: I'm working on at Bucke Huddle, taking a closer look
36:41
Speaker 3: at all of the new guys, and there I put
36:44
Speaker 3: a bunch of clips of Kyle Parker out where he's
36:46
Speaker 3: just getting the ball with nothing to do with it,
36:48
Speaker 3: Like they're just giving him the ball and it's like
36:52
Speaker 3: seven yards boom or being tackled and it's not on
36:54
Speaker 3: the run or anything. And I think that was a
36:57
Speaker 3: lot of you know, Brandon Innis's thing where he maybe
37:00
Speaker 3: was the outlet and it was he just didn't get
37:03
Speaker 3: a lot of opportunities to do something with the ball.
37:05
Speaker 3: And I think this this year that you hope would
37:09
Speaker 3: change because when we saw him in practice last year
37:11
Speaker 3: in fall camp, he was doing some of that and
37:14
Speaker 3: then we just really get to see much of it
37:16
Speaker 3: during the season, and it's like, well, you've got Carnell,
37:20
Speaker 3: and you've got Jeremiah, and you've got Max Claire and
37:23
Speaker 3: you know, shoot, Bo Jackson was pretty good with the
37:25
Speaker 3: ball out of the backfield as well. But you know,
37:29
Speaker 3: seven and a half yards that catches. Again, if this
37:32
Speaker 3: is your number two or three guy and he's averaging
37:35
Speaker 3: seven a half yards of catch, that's a win for
37:36
Speaker 3: the defense. I don't care how many first downs you make,
37:39
Speaker 3: Like they'll take that all day long, so you can't
37:41
Speaker 3: have it. You got to improve it.
37:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And now that you bring that up, I
37:45
Speaker 2: do remember coming out of that practice and talking about
37:50
Speaker 2: Bi and how he was standing out looking really good.
37:54
Speaker 2: And another guy we talked about that particular day was
37:57
Speaker 2: Philip Bell, who you know, we've kind of heard every
38:00
Speaker 2: single one of these guys pop over the course of
38:03
Speaker 2: of spring except for Phil. I think we even saw.
38:06
Speaker 2: I think Dez Jones made like three really nice catches
38:09
Speaker 2: on Saturday. Didn't see anything from Phil. I think he's
38:13
Speaker 2: still in great standing despite not I think he's just
38:15
Speaker 2: kind of getting lost in the shuffle. I don't think
38:17
Speaker 2: anything's changed there and when we look at this with
38:21
Speaker 2: Jeremiah and b I and Devin mcew and Kyle Parker,
38:24
Speaker 2: brock Boyd, Phil Bell, Drew Quaydon Gilford, Chris Henry des Jones,
38:29
Speaker 2: this is nine dudes, tony nine dudes. And I'm asking
38:33
Speaker 2: myself who's not playing? You can get to six, you
38:37
Speaker 2: get to a six band rotation, who are the three
38:40
Speaker 2: left out? And you gotta say Dez is one of
38:44
Speaker 2: the three. I think that's that's pretty sure. Maybe Phil
38:52
Speaker 2: I but now I think I think maybe Phil and Jr. Quayton.
38:58
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's really tough and it'll probably change
39:02
Speaker 2: throughout the year, but I just we're just not used
39:06
Speaker 2: to this kind of wide receiver room or coming in thinking, yeah,
39:09
Speaker 2: all these guys could play, all of them might play.
39:12
Speaker 2: Who knows. But it's a wild one man.
39:15
Speaker 3: Well, and I did a I did some research on
39:19
Speaker 3: how how many guys Cortes Hankton plays.
39:22
Speaker 2: You know.
39:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and and I've my my excel. I don't
39:28
Speaker 3: even know where which which which sheeted is in? But
39:32
Speaker 3: and I may have leaded it because why would I
39:34
Speaker 3: ever talk about it again? But basically, he he like,
39:38
Speaker 3: because I went't look like, you know, who, what does
39:41
Speaker 3: the number four, number five catch? The number three number four,
39:43
Speaker 3: number five guys? You know what are they doing? And
39:48
Speaker 3: they were, you know, fifty percent more than Ohio States
39:51
Speaker 3: three four five in terms of catches, which leads me
39:55
Speaker 3: to believe in terms of snaps as well. So he
39:58
Speaker 3: would play more guys. But you know, I think Brian Hartline,
40:03
Speaker 3: the longer he was at Ohio State, the more I've
40:06
Speaker 3: said this before, another show is like it got top
40:08
Speaker 3: heavy and there's no middle, and then it's it's filled
40:11
Speaker 3: with freshmen at the bottom basically, and you can't trust
40:13
Speaker 3: those guys. And when you lose an entire twenty twenty
40:17
Speaker 3: two class and much of a twenty twenty three or
40:20
Speaker 3: or you know, there's there's no middle, so you're just
40:24
Speaker 3: playing the same guys over and over again. But also,
40:27
Speaker 3: why are you going to take Carnel Tate and Jeremiah
40:29
Speaker 3: Smith off the field? Valid But you know, when you've
40:35
Speaker 3: got enough guys, then you give those guys rest and
40:38
Speaker 3: you know, if if you want to, they rotate everybody
40:42
Speaker 3: because it's good for them, right, So you know, why
40:45
Speaker 3: don't you do that with more receivers? And I think
40:48
Speaker 3: now you can. For one, you've got four veterans. But
40:52
Speaker 3: also there's not the separation between the guys, you know
40:57
Speaker 3: in terms of like, is Devin MQ and that much
41:00
Speaker 3: better than Brandon Innis or brockboy Yeah. Right, you know
41:04
Speaker 3: Jeremiah is up here fine, but everybody else is closer together.
41:08
Speaker 3: So you know, Brian Hartline used to say, why would
41:11
Speaker 3: I take this? Why would I take Chris Olave off
41:14
Speaker 3: the field at eighty percent if the guy that I
41:17
Speaker 3: would put on the field is not as good as
41:18
Speaker 3: Chris o'lave at eighty percent, And you're just gonna, you know,
41:22
Speaker 3: until you've got that level, you're not going to do it.
41:25
Speaker 3: And I think there it's easier to attain that level
41:28
Speaker 3: this year. But yeah, like you know, Philip Bella thinking
41:31
Speaker 3: about it, I'm gonna assume he was banged up, and
41:34
Speaker 3: because we didn't see him at all on in that practice,
41:37
Speaker 3: he can play inside her outside and I think that
41:40
Speaker 3: helps him. But yeah, I think the six or the
41:43
Speaker 3: six that you talked about that are going to play,
41:45
Speaker 3: but I don't know how much they're going to play.
41:47
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's it's hard to imagine brock Boyd
41:52
Speaker 3: playing the way he is right now not getting some action,
41:56
Speaker 3: and it's hard to imagine Chris Henry, who has played
41:58
Speaker 3: well yeah, also being yeah, as everybody predicted.
42:04
Speaker 2: You know, at least you may have.
42:06
Speaker 3: I know you've been very high on Prox since the outset,
42:08
Speaker 3: but like he's going to play as well.
42:12
Speaker 1: Uh.
42:12
Speaker 3: And the good thing is, you know, brock Boyd is
42:16
Speaker 3: learning multiple positions so he can move around. Jeremiah Smith
42:18
Speaker 3: can play anywhere, so it's not like, well, if Jeremiah's
42:21
Speaker 3: out there at AX, Chris Henry can't do anything. It's like, no,
42:24
Speaker 3: that's that's not the case. Jeremiah can move around and
42:26
Speaker 3: they can put anybody they want out there. Shoot, I
42:28
Speaker 3: think I think Devin McEwan was playing X in the
42:31
Speaker 3: practice that we saw early on because Jeremiah wasn't out there.
42:34
Speaker 3: So you know, they've they've got veterans who can do
42:37
Speaker 3: all these different things. But I would sure like to
42:40
Speaker 3: see them throw more guys out there. But I know
42:45
Speaker 3: Cortez Hankton wants to as well. But as the coaches say,
42:48
Speaker 3: it's not up to me, it's up to you.
42:51
Speaker 2: Right, No, I'm I'm I'm with you that I would
42:53
Speaker 2: very much like to see a whole lot of this
42:57
Speaker 2: because you know, these guys, a lot of them, we
42:59
Speaker 2: just don't know what they can do or what they
43:00
Speaker 2: can do at this level. So hoping that early on
43:03
Speaker 2: we can see this. But then, man, you got some
43:05
Speaker 2: big games coming up pretty early and you want to
43:08
Speaker 2: absolutely be at your best. Just another thing to heap
43:13
Speaker 2: on to one of the most interesting seasons of my
43:16
Speaker 2: life of Ohio State football. I mean, just the storylines,
43:20
Speaker 2: it's just an amazing one to cover. Moving to the
43:23
Speaker 2: offensive line, where surprisingly there's not a ton of interesting
43:26
Speaker 2: storylines here on the offensive line. But I just want
43:30
Speaker 2: to ask you question number one, Ian Moore starting left
43:36
Speaker 2: tackle game one, Yes or no? Yes? Okay, Now, if
43:42
Speaker 2: that's the case, then we've got Ian Moore, Luke Montgomery,
43:48
Speaker 2: Carson Hinsman, Austin Sereveld, Phil Daniels, correct.
43:53
Speaker 3: Correct, And I will just say I will just say,
43:55
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever, you know, in the
43:57
Speaker 3: last few years, gotten the starting offensive line right this early,
44:01
Speaker 3: just the past few years where things have moved all
44:04
Speaker 3: over the place. But that's that's what it's leading me
44:07
Speaker 3: to think right.
44:08
Speaker 2: Now, all right, So I'm one hundred percent with you
44:11
Speaker 2: that that's where I'm at now in that scenario, Tony,
44:16
Speaker 2: which position would you say is your weakest link? Not
44:21
Speaker 2: that it's a weak link, but where's your weakest link
44:24
Speaker 2: in that starting five?
44:28
Speaker 3: Well, I think it would be boy. Let me let
44:31
Speaker 3: me watch Ian Moore for a little bit before I
44:35
Speaker 3: say that it's somebody else. Like I believe he's going
44:39
Speaker 3: to be very, very good, and me too. You know,
44:41
Speaker 3: his teammates are saying he's a future first rounder, right,
44:45
Speaker 3: you know my immediately my immediate thought is, you know,
44:48
Speaker 3: left guard and right tackle, because I have confidence at
44:51
Speaker 3: and everybody else.
44:51
Speaker 2: But that's that's.
44:55
Speaker 3: I think that's wishery in terms of like just Ian
44:58
Speaker 3: Moore is just assuming he's going to be one of
45:00
Speaker 3: your top guys. But but I do. But I don't
45:03
Speaker 3: know how wise that is. And so I think, until
45:06
Speaker 3: you see it, he's got to be the biggest concern.
45:08
Speaker 3: But I'm not concerned about him, which is counterintuitive. I think.
45:15
Speaker 3: You know, Philip Daniels was a year early, yes, and
45:20
Speaker 3: but but now he's he's a returning starter. Why would
45:23
Speaker 3: you know? You know, I know people have those last
45:27
Speaker 3: two games. I get it, But do you know what
45:29
Speaker 3: he learned from those last two games. You know how
45:31
Speaker 3: not to let that happen again. Now, now will that happen? Well,
45:33
Speaker 3: I don't think Ruben Bain is gonna be bothering him
45:35
Speaker 3: this year, and I don't think he Messadores not not
45:38
Speaker 3: that he's not walking through that door either, But I
45:42
Speaker 3: don't tell me. What is your answer to your own question?
45:48
Speaker 2: Listen, the answer to my question is yes, Sean Moore,
45:52
Speaker 2: starting game one, question number two, the weakest link is
45:57
Speaker 2: right tackle. Now, in a different scenario where you had
46:06
Speaker 2: Sarahvelds still at tackle, your weakest scenario would or your
46:10
Speaker 2: weakest position would now be right guard, whether that be
46:15
Speaker 2: Van Sickle, Padilla or Phil who they don't want to move.
46:18
Speaker 2: And my question then is which position would you rather
46:22
Speaker 2: be weaker, right guard or right tackle? And to me,
46:25
Speaker 2: that's right guard, which is why I don't understand why
46:29
Speaker 2: it's not up for discussion that Phil moves or that
46:34
Speaker 2: maybe he just gets beat out by Austin. I guess
46:36
Speaker 2: here's my thing. Austin wasn't just a good tackle last year.
46:41
Speaker 2: He was a very good tackle. And when I keep
46:45
Speaker 2: hearing brought up in this argument is well, he's gonna
46:48
Speaker 2: play guard in the NFL anyway. And I'd love to
46:50
Speaker 2: know when we ever have that conversation about any other
46:53
Speaker 2: flipping position, Like when do we say that cornerback is
46:56
Speaker 2: a tick too slow to play safety or to play
46:59
Speaker 2: corner in the NFL, so we're gonna move into safety. Well,
47:01
Speaker 2: we better do that now while he's in college. We're
47:04
Speaker 2: just go ahead and move in the safety because he
47:05
Speaker 2: can play there in the NFL. Or the quarterback that
47:07
Speaker 2: probably is gonna be a wide receiver in the NFL,
47:09
Speaker 2: we're gonna move him now because when he gets to
47:11
Speaker 2: the league he's gonna play wide receivers. We're gonna move
47:13
Speaker 2: him now. That's not part of the equation. That's just
47:15
Speaker 2: something we talk about. That's what they talk like. This
47:19
Speaker 2: dude was a top ten tackle and we're moving him
47:22
Speaker 2: off the off the spot. All right, we're going to
47:25
Speaker 2: improve at guard. That's great. But is the gap bigger
47:30
Speaker 2: there than it would be a tackle from Sarahvell to
47:34
Speaker 2: the next guy? I guess we'll find out.
47:38
Speaker 3: I think one thing, I'm just talking about NFL futures
47:42
Speaker 3: and I'm just imagining, like twenty years ago saying we're
47:45
Speaker 3: gonna move Malcolm Jenkins to safety because that's where he's
47:48
Speaker 3: eventually going. It's like, but that's he's gonna win. To Thorpe,
47:51
Speaker 3: what are you doing? But the thing about moving positions
47:56
Speaker 3: is it's always up to the player, and the player
48:00
Speaker 3: doesn't want to do it, they're not doing it. So, uh,
48:03
Speaker 3: you know, Donovan Jackson, I don't think he wanted to
48:06
Speaker 3: move right away until until he had to. And that's
48:08
Speaker 3: why you saw Zen Mahlski out there for a game
48:11
Speaker 3: when everybody knew that, like, no, it needs to be
48:12
Speaker 3: Donovan Jackson, but it was then Mahowsky. And then you know,
48:15
Speaker 3: this year, if Philip Daniels doesn't want to do it,
48:18
Speaker 3: they're not going to do it. And the the chore,
48:21
Speaker 3: the task, the challenge is convincing him that, yes, you
48:25
Speaker 3: do want to do it, and uh, you know, he's like,
48:28
Speaker 3: but he's a guy with two more years, you know,
48:29
Speaker 3: with the year after this, so he may want to like,
48:33
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a right tackle from now until
48:35
Speaker 3: I am no longer playing the sport and I need
48:37
Speaker 3: to show that. And maybe he feels maybe he doesn't
48:41
Speaker 3: like guard, whereas Austin Seerveld he's played guard, he likes it,
48:45
Speaker 3: He's fine with it. And yeah, he was really really
48:49
Speaker 3: good at left tackle. So I think maybe the comparison
48:53
Speaker 3: is what it is is Austin Siriveld plus gave Vince
49:01
Speaker 3: or Ian Moore plus Austin Seerveld or you know at
49:06
Speaker 3: Austin Seavel plus Josh Padia, like you know right guard.
49:11
Speaker 3: It's I think you have to take Philip Dais out
49:13
Speaker 3: of the equation because he has taken himself out of
49:15
Speaker 3: the equation because I'm right tackle.
49:17
Speaker 2: That's not up for crabs. Yeah, I don't. I almost
49:20
Speaker 2: hate to even bring this up like this, but because
49:22
Speaker 2: it makes it sound like I don't feel good about
49:24
Speaker 2: Phil at right tackle, I do. I do. I feel
49:27
Speaker 2: pretty confident. Like you said, he was a year early,
49:30
Speaker 2: which I think a lot of people forget, and you
49:32
Speaker 2: you broke that news when he first came, like yo,
49:34
Speaker 2: this guy's not coming to start, you know, this is
49:38
Speaker 2: this is thought to be a project here, and he
49:40
Speaker 2: outperformed won that spot and he's a road greater, run blocker,
49:46
Speaker 2: but on an island it's not been the greatest. Now
49:49
Speaker 2: we expect that to get better because he's an athletic guy.
49:52
Speaker 2: But as far as the starting five, if Phil Daniels
49:57
Speaker 2: is your weakest link at right tackle. You got a squad, Tony,
50:02
Speaker 2: you got a squad like I'm looking. I'm feeling great
50:05
Speaker 2: about that.
50:06
Speaker 3: Well, I said it a while back. I think I
50:08
Speaker 3: think there two is would be a very good offensive
50:10
Speaker 3: line into big ten. Ryan Day said the same thing
50:12
Speaker 3: like a week ago, like they've yeah, they've got some depth.
50:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm feeling really good about that. John asked Carter Low,
50:21
Speaker 2: what's his chances to start this year? Slim to none, Brother, Carter,
50:25
Speaker 2: not ready yet. But man, he's got all the all
50:28
Speaker 2: the everything looks great, but he's just not quite there yet.
50:31
Speaker 2: He definitely needs some more some more work. And and
50:34
Speaker 2: he's gonna get it here in the next couple of
50:36
Speaker 2: weeks or at least the next week, but not quite yet.
50:40
Speaker 4: Now.
50:41
Speaker 2: Next year gonna be really interesting with Carter and and
50:45
Speaker 2: Sam and uh and and you know that's gonna be
50:49
Speaker 2: quite a battle there.
50:51
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Paris Johnson started a year at guard,
50:53
Speaker 3: So you can put that. You can put any tackle
50:55
Speaker 3: like you can't say, Well, Sam Greer, you know he's
50:59
Speaker 3: a five star left tack You've got to keep him
51:01
Speaker 3: at tackle or you know, Carter Low, you've got to
51:02
Speaker 3: keep him at tackle. If Paris Johnson can play guard,
51:05
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear it from anybody.
51:06
Speaker 2: There, you go, Let's get into a little bit while
51:10
Speaker 2: we're on offensive line of offensive line recruiting, because I
51:13
Speaker 2: want to talk about recruiting for a second here. You know,
51:16
Speaker 2: when we talk about this freshman class and we just
51:19
Speaker 2: watched these guys, I think we both were pretty impressed
51:22
Speaker 2: with Mason Wilhelm. Of course, Max Riley, Sam Greer both
51:26
Speaker 2: look good. We don't have Tucker in town yet. I
51:29
Speaker 2: think Landry Breed was the only one to me that
51:32
Speaker 2: looked like it looks like a developmental freshman, and that's
51:35
Speaker 2: what he is. So that's cool. When we look at
51:37
Speaker 2: this next cycle in twenty twenty seven, you've got Kellen Wimer,
51:41
Speaker 2: your top Ohio kid, he's a stud. Brody McNeil, a
51:44
Speaker 2: top three hundred kid out of Virginia interior kid, and
51:47
Speaker 2: Mason wilt top five hundred Ohio kid, wart hog, kind
51:52
Speaker 2: of Jim Ratt junkie and now turning up the heat
51:55
Speaker 2: on a tackle. Kalel Johnson also an Ohio kid, top
51:59
Speaker 2: two hundred kid, and they may go up to six
52:02
Speaker 2: this cycle. And this is so basic and so simple
52:07
Speaker 2: and so easy. And when I look at this, I
52:09
Speaker 2: think we're gonna have in two years, like this will
52:12
Speaker 2: be the best back to back offensive line classes we'll
52:15
Speaker 2: have had in a long time. And it's just like, wow,
52:18
Speaker 2: you see how easy this is. And I'm just like
52:21
Speaker 2: pat on the back for our man Bowen for this part.
52:25
Speaker 2: We got to see it on the field, but this
52:28
Speaker 2: is like, yes, this is how you do it.
52:29
Speaker 1: Now.
52:29
Speaker 2: I will make one complaint, Tony. We do have this
52:33
Speaker 2: five star out of state drought. Right You're losing five
52:37
Speaker 2: stars from Pennsylvania and Max Hiller down to Florida. Olu
52:42
Speaker 2: Olu from Maryland's gonna go down south and play in
52:44
Speaker 2: the SEC as well, most likely Kevin Brown last year
52:48
Speaker 2: from Pennsylvania. You gotta be able to focus on the
52:52
Speaker 2: five stars up here, and I think you'll do a
52:55
Speaker 2: little better if you just focus on them from day
52:57
Speaker 2: one then trying to swing your swings at the southern kids.
53:01
Speaker 3: Who's the last out of state five stars? It like
53:06
Speaker 3: Donovan Jackson and Nicholas Fair I could remember which one.
53:11
Speaker 3: But there's generally enough in Ohio to get things done
53:16
Speaker 3: on the offensive line. And I go back to Ryan
53:19
Speaker 3: Day or Urban talking about how it just lamented the
53:24
Speaker 3: fact that recruiting was moving so quickly and fast that
53:27
Speaker 3: you couldn't watch seniors play anymore, and being in Ohio
53:31
Speaker 3: where you don't have spring ball, so you have late
53:33
Speaker 3: developing players, especially on the offensive line, and you look
53:38
Speaker 3: look like he signed elf line because Elf Fine was
53:42
Speaker 3: already in the class, Like he's a guy that probably
53:44
Speaker 3: never would have ended up at Ohio State if if
53:48
Speaker 3: he wasn't already committed. Urban honored all those commitments, but
53:51
Speaker 3: it's like, yes, you want all these Ohio guys, but
53:53
Speaker 3: also you got to give them some time. But now
53:56
Speaker 3: I think you're also things are more advanced now in
53:59
Speaker 3: all positions, So yeah, I don't know if they're as
54:03
Speaker 3: undeveloped or as late blooming, but I think there's always
54:06
Speaker 3: enough in a while that still allows you to go
54:09
Speaker 3: and shoot the moon. But knowing that if you're trying
54:13
Speaker 3: to land the number one tackle in the nation, you're
54:17
Speaker 3: wasting your time because if you're not willing to spend
54:20
Speaker 3: for the number one tackle, and I don't think anybody
54:21
Speaker 3: I don't I think it's dumb to spend for the
54:24
Speaker 3: number one tackle, you know, And to overspend for somebody
54:28
Speaker 3: like say it's Paris Johnson. How many years of starting
54:31
Speaker 3: did they get out of Paris Johnson to left tackle?
54:34
Speaker 2: One? Yeah? One?
54:35
Speaker 3: Would that have been a good investment?
54:37
Speaker 2: Absolutely not?
54:39
Speaker 3: Or or how about Austin Seerveld, who you know is
54:43
Speaker 3: going to give you all of these years of starting
54:45
Speaker 3: for the fraction of the price. And it still comes
54:49
Speaker 3: down to development and recognition and you know, scouting more
54:54
Speaker 3: than like Felix Ojoe or whatever. Like the It takes
55:00
Speaker 3: time and as you've I think you've talked about it before,
55:03
Speaker 3: like these these guys that David Sanders, you know, two
55:06
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty pounds like this is this is going
55:09
Speaker 3: to be forever before you're on the field and ready
55:11
Speaker 3: to play. Like Nicholas Petitt Fair came into like two
55:14
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy pounds and had to eat like eight
55:16
Speaker 3: thousand calories a day before he was ready to go,
55:19
Speaker 3: and he was five star left tackle and he didn't
55:23
Speaker 3: you know, he red shirted as a true freshman because
55:26
Speaker 3: you've got to get bigger and stronger and it takes time.
55:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you stand the chance I'm spending that kind
55:32
Speaker 2: of money on a kid to bring him in when
55:34
Speaker 2: I got to put fifty pounds on him, No way.
55:37
Speaker 2: And I feel this way about when we had the
55:39
Speaker 2: tight end discussion. I think on the last show with
55:42
Speaker 2: Brock Williams at two hundred and ten pound tight end
55:46
Speaker 2: going to command multiple millions of dollars, no chance in hell.
55:50
Speaker 2: And we didn't get to the tight ends or quite
55:52
Speaker 2: a few things. But we're almost out of time, so
55:54
Speaker 2: I want to wrap it up with this one, Tony.
55:57
Speaker 2: I'm certain that you've heard Jeremiah or read Jeremiah's interview
56:01
Speaker 2: yesterday where he is talking about why he stayed at
56:05
Speaker 2: Ohio State, and I'm reading this with a tear man.
56:08
Speaker 2: Forget the ten million dollar thing, it's it's what he's
56:10
Speaker 2: talking about. Yeah, I'm from South Florida, but I'm a
56:13
Speaker 2: buck eye now. And he just went on and why
56:15
Speaker 2: would I leave here when I got my brothers and
56:17
Speaker 2: we got a squad And it's like, man, this dude's
56:20
Speaker 2: just perfect. And we have talked before a long time
56:24
Speaker 2: ago about our Ohio State Mount Rushmore's. We had the
56:29
Speaker 2: same Mount Rushmore. We had Chick Harley, we had Archie Griffin,
56:33
Speaker 2: we had Orlando Pace, and we finished with a little
56:36
Speaker 2: bit of back and forth on Troy. Now, what is
56:41
Speaker 2: it going to take for you to move Jeremiah into there?
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Speaker 3: Well, boy, I think that's a great question. Do you
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Speaker 3: have to win to heisman?
56:52
Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's an opinion, right, Yeah, the Heisman itself
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Speaker 3: is an opinion. So I'm trying to figure out the
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Speaker 3: top one hundred pla of the Ryan Day era, right,
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Speaker 3: and I'm trying to put some point values to it
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Speaker 3: in terms of like awards you've won in all Big
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Speaker 3: ten teams, things of that nature. And right now, through
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Speaker 3: two years, Jeremiah Smith comes in fifth behind c J. Stroud,
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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior, Caleb Downs, and Chase Young. Now, the
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Speaker 3: amazing thing is Chase Young did all of this in
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Speaker 3: one year under Ryan Day, because it's all kinds of awards.
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Speaker 3: But man, if you open it up to a draft
57:33
Speaker 3: in terms of if you're drafting Ryan Day's players or
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Speaker 3: high state players rather, is Jeremiah Smith lasting to number five?
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Speaker 2: Hell no?
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Speaker 3: Right, you know, Chick Carley might be undrafted free agent,
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Speaker 3: you know by now because you know, five seven one
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Speaker 3: and fifty five pounds. But yeah, that dude was legit.
57:57
Speaker 3: But that's a great question. I think there's some recency
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Speaker 3: bias you know, that you have to be careful of.
58:05
Speaker 3: But also it makes sense like, let's he's provided everything
58:10
Speaker 3: goes well this season in terms of health, he'll have
58:13
Speaker 3: all of the Ohio State receiving records by November. And
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Speaker 3: I know Ohio State's a running back of Minebacker history school.
58:21
Speaker 3: But I yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that you can leave him off. And
58:29
Speaker 3: who do you remove is because I don't think you
58:32
Speaker 3: can remove to Carly. I don't think you can remove Archie.
58:36
Speaker 3: I'll be damned if I'm removing Orlando pay So.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. It's if it's somebody, it's Troy. And
58:44
Speaker 2: in that spot right there, I've struggled with that Troy spot.
58:47
Speaker 2: I've gone several different directions with that, but those first
58:50
Speaker 2: three have always been for me, you know, ever since
58:54
Speaker 2: Orlando was done. But but I'm the most anti recency
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Speaker 2: bias guy that there ever was. I mean, I can't
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Speaker 2: I hate new players. I can't stand them now, this dude,
59:06
Speaker 2: to me and to me, it's always about something bigger,
59:09
Speaker 2: something more than just like how great of a player
59:12
Speaker 2: you were. When we talk about this and obviously, you know,
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Speaker 2: Chick Harley and Archie Griffin have so much more attached
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Speaker 2: to them when it comes to Ohio State football, Orlando
59:24
Speaker 2: being in my opinion, the greatest single player at that
59:27
Speaker 2: position of my lifetime and maybe ever. And when we
59:32
Speaker 2: look at Jeremiah, the pace that he's on at his position,
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Speaker 2: the respect in the fact that he has just been
59:42
Speaker 2: like the most famous guy and just kept his head
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Speaker 2: on straight, been humble, the way he works, and you know,
59:48
Speaker 2: we also have a lot more access to the information
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Speaker 2: that goes on behind the scenes now than we used
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Speaker 2: to about him. It's just like he's just a next
59:55
Speaker 2: level superstar, right, He's just a different kind of dude.
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Speaker 2: And to me, the national championship, the whole world knowing
1:00:04
Speaker 2: that he's been the best player in college football for
1:00:06
Speaker 2: two years now, and despite those awards, he just plays
1:00:10
Speaker 2: a different position, right, he deserves the Best Player of
1:00:13
Speaker 2: the ward a year. We all know that. So all
1:00:16
Speaker 2: that combined, man and the loyalty on top of it,
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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna get it for me by the
1:00:21
Speaker 2: time he's done.
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Speaker 3: And the other thing that people may not see or
1:00:26
Speaker 3: recognize is the example that he's leaving behind for the
1:00:30
Speaker 3: guys that see him now, Chris Henry Chirck, Quaydon Guildford, Brockboyd,
1:00:34
Speaker 3: the recruits, you know, the twenty twenty seven class of
1:00:37
Speaker 3: receivers that can be very good watching it all. And
1:00:42
Speaker 3: I've talked about the timeline, the the of giving back
1:00:46
Speaker 3: paying forward of receivers. You know, I always go back
1:00:49
Speaker 3: to like Evan Spencer, and you can you can see
1:00:51
Speaker 3: the timeline every year of a getting passed on to
1:00:54
Speaker 3: the next guy. Be at kJ Hill and Terry McLaurin
1:00:58
Speaker 3: and Chris o'lave and Paris Campbell to Jackson Smith and
1:01:01
Speaker 3: Jigman Garrett Wilson to Marvin Harrison and a Meca to
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Speaker 3: Jeremiah and then Jeremiah's going to pass it on and
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Speaker 3: he's He is the perfect example of what it takes
1:01:14
Speaker 3: even when you don't need to do it, because he's
1:01:16
Speaker 3: good enough not to and he still does. And that's
1:01:20
Speaker 3: what makes him different than everybody else. Unless you're a
1:01:24
Speaker 3: Miami fan watching this, then you know, yes, he's just
1:01:26
Speaker 3: a sixth round pick trash player.
1:01:28
Speaker 2: Of course, the funniest thing I've ever heard, man, some
1:01:33
Speaker 2: of the things that Miami fans have to say about
1:01:35
Speaker 2: him as a player, or the Malachi Tony Debate. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: ton I appreciate you as always. We appreciate you guys
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