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Did Liberal feminism ruin the workplace? | Maintaining Frame 194 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Alison. This is maintaining frame
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  Speaker 1: number one ninety four. Did liberal feminism or women in
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  Speaker 1: the workplace? Where we're going to be looking at? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of like a discussion that's been going on
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  Speaker 1: because I have a couple of different angles on it.
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  Speaker 1: So there was this woman. I think it all started,
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  Speaker 1: or at least this current, let's say, manifestation of our
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  Speaker 1: modern society's obsession with white nightting for women.
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  Speaker 2: It started with this discussion that was brought about by
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  Speaker 2: an essay written by a woman named Helen Andrews, the
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  Speaker 2: Great Feminization.
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  Speaker 1: And ever since she put out that essay it's on substack,
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  Speaker 1: she's been doing the rounds, going on various podcasts and
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  Speaker 1: doing interviews and experiencing some probably a lot of resistance
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  Speaker 1: for even making the claim essentially that feminization is destroying
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  Speaker 1: like you know, business, politics, relationships and other things. And
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  Speaker 1: the one article that was an article is a New
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  Speaker 1: York Times called did Liberal Feminism ruin the Workplace? Which
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  Speaker 1: is actually just a transcript of an interview that was
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  Speaker 1: a podcast and a video on YouTube which I actually
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  Speaker 1: watched like a week ago or so, and I think
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  Speaker 1: I sent it to you because I looked into this
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  Speaker 1: Hell and Andrews thing like a while back, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought was really interesting and cool that like there was
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  Speaker 1: more people having this talk like earnestly at least. But
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  Speaker 1: apparently it hasn't gone over well with all women, as
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  Speaker 1: someone wrote a response to the original interview video that
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  Speaker 1: I guess we're looking at today, which is what this is, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's a video transcript Okay, yeah, response article to the
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  Speaker 1: original discussion, which begs the question or asks the question,
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  Speaker 1: did liberal did women? Actually? Did women ruin the workplace?
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  Speaker 1: Was originally what it was called. They softened it by
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  Speaker 1: saying did liberal feminism ruin the workplace?
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  Speaker 3: Actually, they moved it to uh, are you yeah? With
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  Speaker 3: there's a bit of an echo. They originally went from
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  Speaker 3: our women ruining the ruining the workplace, and they changed
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  Speaker 3: it to our feminine vices ruining the workplace? And now
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  Speaker 3: they settled on is lesbian lesbian liberal feminism ruining the workplace?
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  Speaker 3: So one of those three and uh, a commentator called them,
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  Speaker 3: uh they didn't have a good good sense of self preservation,
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  Speaker 3: which really begs the question who's who's targeting them for
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  Speaker 3: things that are contradictory to continue to draw breath. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so those were the Those were the options that they
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  Speaker 3: had or they went through, and then they settled on
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  Speaker 3: did liberal feminism ruin the workplace? You seem a little
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  Speaker 3: distracted today, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at the chat and I'm listening to you. Okay, No,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's no, that's right. I thought I was. I'm
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  Speaker 1: paying attention.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So then okay, so we're gonna so what's this response
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  Speaker 1: to it? Because I didn't see this.
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  Speaker 3: Well this response, so I figured we could go through
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  Speaker 3: the article and we could discuss it and instant densally.
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  Speaker 3: I know I'm tooting my own horn, but I talked
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  Speaker 3: about this for years now, right, It's interesting to see
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  Speaker 3: that people who are or women who are specifically zone
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  Speaker 3: is zeroing in on specific aspects of what I talked about,
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  Speaker 3: how our world is losing the masculine toolkit and basically
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  Speaker 3: the workplace has become feminized. And one of the big
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  Speaker 3: problems with that is we have no actual narrative to
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  Speaker 3: hold women accountable for the pitfalls that they generally have.
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  Speaker 3: We can't even have it. We outside of here, we
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  Speaker 3: can't even have a discussion or it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 3: have a discussion about any potential pitfalls that women bring
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  Speaker 3: to the workplace. It's ver baiten like it's verboten. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's the right word. So it's interesting to see this,
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  Speaker 3: but it is great to see this discussion sort of
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  Speaker 3: getting out there and doing the rounds. And uh, I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to pair this article discussion of this article with
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  Speaker 3: a medium blog rejoinder to the discussion of this article
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  Speaker 3: because I figured that would be edifying for a certain
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  Speaker 3: quality of edifying. So, yeah, do you want.
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  Speaker 1: To just uh oh, wait is the response that you
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  Speaker 1: because you I didn't. I got like the document It
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  Speaker 1: just says, dear New York Times, don't threaten women with
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  Speaker 1: a good time. I didn't know that was a medium blog.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have the original link to the website.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's okay. And I also uploaded a animation
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  Speaker 3: of the article.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that up.
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  Speaker 3: She's leaning quite hard to the left in the animation.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't intended to be symbolic.
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  Speaker 4: It's just.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, so we could also we will look at
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  Speaker 3: the response, the medium response and yeah, let's start with.
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  Speaker 1: Just the article with the medium response.
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  Speaker 3: Then do you want to start with the medium restarts?
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  Speaker 1: We could? I mean, the article is like long because
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  Speaker 1: it's it's essentially a transcript of a conversation which is
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  Speaker 1: about an hour. I could. I did try to upload
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  Speaker 1: the discussion to Coral to get time codes, but for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, Coral didn't like it. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but I could have it look at the transcript and
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  Speaker 1: maybe extract timecodes from a transcript, which is what the
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  Speaker 1: article is. But so yeah, I know, yes a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, well, okay, the honest to god truth is
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  Speaker 3: we'll have no context for this, but maybe it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: need a CONTEXTU.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like the I think we can provide context.
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  Speaker 1: I can find hold on a second here, I can
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  Speaker 1: chow that we got yesterday from Peto that we could
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  Speaker 1: We'll do the media, start with the response and then
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  Speaker 3: a little faster speed, trust me. Otherwise you know we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to spend too much time on this.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine one okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kod that's fine.
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  Speaker 5: YT.
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  Speaker 6: Don't threaten women with a good time by Kate Cassidy.
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  Speaker 6: By now, I assume most of us have read last
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  Speaker 6: week's infamous New York Times Think Peace about women ruining
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  Speaker 6: the workplace. Once the gold standard of American journalism, the
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  Speaker 6: Times is now the kind of publication that produces podcasts
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  Speaker 6: known for platforming insurrection apologists as.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I know, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: What is interesting is that is that when The New
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  Speaker 1: York Times lost you, is that when it happened, That's
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  Speaker 1: when they lost credibility.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's interesting that the problems have gotten to the
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  Speaker 3: point where people are discussing them on the New York Times,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, like it's it is. That is That's
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  Speaker 3: one hell of a statement in of itself. And maybe
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  Speaker 3: maybe while we're all, you know, describing the toes of
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  Speaker 3: the giant, maybe eventually people will be ready to accept
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  Speaker 3: that the toes are attached to a foot, and a
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  Speaker 3: foot is attached to a calf, and the calf is
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  Speaker 3: attached to a thigh, and the thighs are attached to
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  Speaker 3: a torso, and yeah, there's a gigantic giant right there
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  Speaker 3: in our culture. Then nobody wants to admit exists, or
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  Speaker 3: at least doesn't want to admit exists as a bad thing,
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  Speaker 3: as a potentially negative thing. In our world. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe once we get enough of people noticing the toes,
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  Speaker 3: eventually we can move on to like the instep and
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  Speaker 3: God forbid, you know, within the next two hundred years
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  Speaker 3: we get to actually recognizing the entire shape of the
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  Speaker 3: thing that is the problem.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, they examine pretend concepts like toxic empathy
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  Speaker 6: and muse about the iPhone's role in America's declining birth rate.
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  Speaker 6: If you ask me, they really screwed the pooch by
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  Speaker 6: not blaming women for this one too, talk about an
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  Speaker 6: air ball.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all right, we're not blaming women for what.
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  Speaker 1: Or let me go back a little bit. She's trying
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  Speaker 1: to like poison the well before she gets into it
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  Speaker 1: by saying, you know, they they embrace made up concepts
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  Speaker 1: like toxic empathy. I mean, like, I don't think the
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  Speaker 1: term toxic empathy is correct in terms of describing the problem,
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  Speaker 1: but I do think the phenomenon it's trying to describe
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely real. It's really not empathy. It's sollipsism disguised
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  Speaker 1: as compassion, self serving, self righteous, narcissistic. You know, that's
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  Speaker 1: what it is when people virtue signal on your behalf,
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  Speaker 1: on behalf of like the marginalized, And this is like
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  Speaker 1: a thing that women are really good at. They excel
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  Speaker 1: at it. It's not toxic empathy because because there's no
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  Speaker 1: empathy there. It's just like, I don't know, it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Hoo victimhood by Munchausen syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, victimhood by proxy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, victimhood by proxy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah is declining birth rate If you ask me, they
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  Speaker 6: really screwed the pooch by not blaming women for this
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  Speaker 6: one too, the.
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  Speaker 1: Birth rates as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Why do women like this have such a problem
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  Speaker 3: with blaming women? Like I've always wondered that it's just
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  Speaker 3: like they just have this knee jerk reaction. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: how dare you blame women? Oh? Women are always being blamed,
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  Speaker 3: which is patently false. We have a gigantic and completely
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  Speaker 3: unsupported narrative of blaming men for everything wrong in the world.
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  Speaker 3: So no, women are not subject to the same level
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  Speaker 3: of blame. And the people who say that we always
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  Speaker 3: blame women are have an invested interest in saying that
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  Speaker 3: because they want to always blame men. I'm like, well
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  Speaker 3: why not? Okay, so I guess I've just answered my
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  Speaker 3: own question. But on the other one, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: just just take the blame, like, just just take it,
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  Speaker 3: just take it. No, Yes, women are to blame. Let's
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  Speaker 3: fix things. Now, let's let's move on to the point
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  Speaker 3: of fixing things. Don't you don't you have any interest
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  Speaker 3: in that? No? No, Like for me, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: women are to blame in these ways, and I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that means that we have these abilities in our toolkit
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  Speaker 3: to fix things. But for women like this, it's like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm just gonna melt. I'm like the
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  Speaker 3: wicked witch being doused with water.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, okay, talk about an air ball. I'm all right.
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  Speaker 6: Apparently an air ball it's basically like basketball where you
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  Speaker 6: miss the shot completely.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And she's saying this is a missed opportunity to blame
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  Speaker 1: women that because you know, we totally do that too much.
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  Speaker 3: It's a genuine missed opportunity to blame women.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's legitimate.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we could have shot.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the New York Times probably blamed men
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  Speaker 1: for the for the birth rates, probably the birth rate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, you're you're grouping off to the left there, Brian,
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  Speaker 3: maybe center.
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  Speaker 1: A bit Oh, I could just move the camera.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't, I don't have to move
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  Speaker 3: all right, All right, there we go. Everything is good.
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  Speaker 6: The editorial leadership put so much careful thought into this
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  Speaker 6: episode of the Interesting Times podcast that they thought it
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  Speaker 6: worthy of transcribing into an op ed that had to
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  Speaker 6: be renamed not once, but twice because of the backlash
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  Speaker 6: it received. They simply never could have a bit.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this could have just been ABC title testing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, lady.
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  Speaker 1: It could have been or or being that it's The
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  Speaker 1: New York Times. You know, the phone call came from
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  Speaker 1: inside the house, you change it. Maybe it wasn't backlash
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  Speaker 1: from the outside, the monster in the house. That's what
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  Speaker 1: if I had to guess, I bet that that's that's
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  Speaker 1: what happened. They Yeah, I listened this out, and people
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  Speaker 1: who worked at The New York Times were like Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Wrenz or whatever got on the phone and was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I will not do this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course that really says something
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  Speaker 3: about the culture of being able to speak these truths
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  Speaker 3: and hold women accountable, because that's the primary problem with
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  Speaker 3: women in the workplace. How do you hold them accountable?
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  Speaker 3: The answer is you don't because they are empowered with
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  Speaker 3: certain social tools to destroy anybody who tries to hold
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  Speaker 3: them accountable unless they're also women. But they're pretty good
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  Speaker 3: at that too. They're pretty good at destroying other women.
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  Speaker 3: So how do you hold women accountable? Especially when there
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be a very strong intrough female will
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  Speaker 3: to hold each other accountable? This is something I notice,
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  Speaker 3: you know, women don't seem to have the will to
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  Speaker 3: actually police each other, particularly when it comes to their
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  Speaker 3: behavior towards men or their responsibility to anything besides the
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  Speaker 3: concept of the sisterhood, whereas we have a justice system
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  Speaker 3: because men seem to have sort of this instinctive kind
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  Speaker 3: of yeah, yeah, you know, Ted's go over there doing something,
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  Speaker 3: you know, something we don't like, I think, or something
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  Speaker 3: that is contrary to the interests of the group and
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  Speaker 3: also very harmful or morally bankrupt, and we got to
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  Speaker 3: go stop him, thus police, thus prisons, thus a judicial system,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And I think that that's why we have
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  Speaker 3: those things. And if it were up for women, they
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  Speaker 3: would probably be blaming the victims because if you had
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  Speaker 3: like an all female society, I would bet dollars to
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  Speaker 3: donuts what would happen. Is the female leaders in that
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  Speaker 3: society would blame the victims, because otherwise they'd have to
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  Speaker 3: recognize that men that women aren't perfect, aren't morally blameless. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and that's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, all right, blaming an already marginalized group
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  Speaker 6: that makes up more than half of the nation's population.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, that sentence makes is okay, a marginalized group that
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  Speaker 1: makes up more than half of the nation's population. So
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  Speaker 1: how are they marginalized? Is it just because men are
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  Speaker 1: stronger or whatever? Like? What it? What? Like? It's weird
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  Speaker 1: that you're like, they're marginalized and also the majority.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course, Well, it's because women are so superior that,
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  Speaker 3: no matter what, they're always oppressed. Yes, they can't use
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  Speaker 3: their superior ways of cooperation to overcome the male hegemony
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  Speaker 3: because reasons. Also, uh yeah, everything that feminism asserts is
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  Speaker 3: absolute direk Like, every single one of their talking points
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  Speaker 3: is not scientifically sound and fails if you actually apply
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  Speaker 3: any kind of scientific rigor to it. So, no, women
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  Speaker 3: are not marginalized. This is this is just one factually true.
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  Speaker 3: They do not experience marginalization relative to men in our society.
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  Speaker 3: You might argue there could be some in like a
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  Speaker 3: a theocratic state, but that doesn't like the outlier does
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  Speaker 3: not prove the norm or does not change the norm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's probably the men are probably also like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that men are also having time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody really, nobody really enjoys the theocratic regime. They
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  Speaker 3: tend not to be fun times. They're not They're not like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, all inclusive to get to I don't know
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  Speaker 3: a resort in the Caribbean, no theocratic regimes or no
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  Speaker 3: nobody's friend. Okay, okay, some more.
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  Speaker 6: Of a system that wasn't built by and has historically
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  Speaker 6: excluded them might not land asped.
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  Speaker 3: What are you talking about, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, talking point. Yeah, men own the system. Therefore they
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  Speaker 1: used it to benefit themselves and women and at the
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  Speaker 1: expense of women. It's just all feeds. Is like, I'll
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  Speaker 1: just invoke this again.
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  Speaker 3: Consider this. Consider this, which is much more consistent with
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  Speaker 3: the empirical evidence. Men created the system in order to
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  Speaker 3: siphon resources to women. It's not that women weren't also
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  Speaker 3: creating their resources, but for the most part, the external
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  Speaker 3: system was to siphon resources to the family and to women. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and then when women started to get into that system,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't understand the mindset. So the mindset is that
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  Speaker 3: men are cooperating to construct a system to bring resources
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  Speaker 3: into their families, and the system has to be what first,
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  Speaker 3: because that's where the resources come from. And women who
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  Speaker 3: are used to receiving resources and then manufacturing I mean
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  Speaker 3: in previous areas that would receive the resources and manufacture
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  Speaker 3: them into something, but just receiving resources because again we
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  Speaker 3: have this consumer identity developed by Hollywood progressives in like
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  Speaker 3: the fifties, and so they're used to receiving these resources.
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  Speaker 3: They go out into the system intended to create resources
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  Speaker 3: and they think this is a resource for me to receive,
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  Speaker 3: and that attitude is exactly diametrically opposed and destructive to
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  Speaker 3: the purpose and the functioning of the system that creates
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  Speaker 3: the resources, because then you go in and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I like this gear that's for me. Oh I like
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  Speaker 3: this shoot that's for me. Oh I like these raw
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  Speaker 3: materials that's for me. And then you have no factory
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  Speaker 3: because every body's gone in and decided that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to take it all apart for resources, not realizing that
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  Speaker 3: the point of the thing is to cooperate to create them.
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  Speaker 3: All right, it's a thought, it's a thought experiment. I
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  Speaker 3: think they could also apply to socialists, but I won't
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  Speaker 3: get ahead of myself.
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  Speaker 6: She originally asked readers to ponder the not at all
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: problematic question did women ruin the workplace?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Before it was noticing it isn't problematic? Like if okay, lady,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: all right, can I just point something out. It's not
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: problematic to assert that men constructed society for their own benefit.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: But it's that's fine, that's perfectly acceptable, even though it
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: has absolutely no, it's not true. Like I don't know
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: how to emphasize this enough. It is not true. And
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: then but it's but it's okay, it's okay. No, it's
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: not okay. It is problematic to say maybe women are
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: a problem in the workplace. Men can be a problem
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: for the entire universe, but cannot be a problem for
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the for the workplace. I'm just I know, I know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I know the illogic, I know the double think, but
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: it just I just wanted to point that out clearly.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's okay, it's all right, it's okay, all right.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Revised have feminine vices taken over the workplace, and because
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: they're seemingly very low on both brain power and self preservation.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Instinct of self preservation to change it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are the people who retitled the article that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: she's talking about. So she's calling the New York Times
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: people dumb, which I'm not entirely against, but I but
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think I think that this was actually like
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a good step. Like I I commend the New York
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Times for even entertaining this as a concept, but I
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: think they had no choice because, like I said, Helen
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Andrews's original substack essay was everywhere and everyone was, even
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: people involved in gamer gate stuff. Yeah we're talking about it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's taken on a life of its own.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It's gone pretty viral, and now the New York Times
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: had no choice but to address. They couldn't pretend like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it wasn't there. So they were like, Okay, let's talk
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to this lady. She seems reasonable. She's not one of
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: those Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes manisphere types, and so they
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: had her on And I mean, you know, I think
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that that was a good thing because I think that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Helen Andrews, she's writing a power level a bit in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: my opinion, so she's probably got more going on than
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: people suspect. But but yeah, so they went ahead and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: entertained it, and that for this woman was a bridge
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: too far. Whose of course it was.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: So yeah, because it's no problem having half the workplace
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: population have not be able to criticize them at all.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: You can criticize men as a group, but you cannot
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: criticize women, and that's not going to create a problem.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: That's not going to create a problem with the entire
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: group of women. Okay, right, yep, all right, just one
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: more time?
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Do we all think differently now that it's called did
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: liberal feminism ruin the workplace?
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: For one?
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I think I need it to be
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: changed to should women even be allowed to work anymore?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. I know you're being sarcastic.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: That is actually a really good question. If workplaces have
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: no control over female employees, and female employees are capable
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: of utterly destroying workplaces to cohere or to make them
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: feel better, the female's employees feel better, m hm, should
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: women be in the workplace?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I know that feminists always go absolutely a shit when
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I say things like that. But I'm saying, either women
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: are held accountable or they should be removed from positions
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: where not being held AUP accountable is going to harm systems, industries, whatever.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Right that there's two options there, and of course feminists
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: always default to we want you want to take away
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: women's right to work. No, I really want to hold
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: them accountable. I'm just pointing out that those two things
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: are incompatible.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we can't like have them be essentially have
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: power or authority over you know, things like entire businesses,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: modes of building wealth and productivity, and even like controlling
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you know, the the economy of an entire country or
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: at least like a region. If they can't be criticized, like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that's insane, that's insane, right, So I like that this
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: this your character looks a little bit like Kamala Harris.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was on purpose or if
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the AI just like came up with something that sounded what.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: There's not AI. That's just that's I actually purchased a
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: puppet kit. Backdrop is AI because I didn't have an
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: avocado toast job.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Backdrop is fridge is just full of broccoli. Yeah, it's broccoli.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Well it's I think that's supposed to be avocados, but.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: No, those are that's the massive avocados, or they're alien brains.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go with broccoli on that one. Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a lot of green there's a lot
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: of green stuff being vended in this room, which I
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: thought was, you know, that's fine. And then there's a
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: lot of green things in teacups, which I assume some
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: maybe some maca. So yeah, the the backdrop is ai
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: but the puppet is actually created by human hands, I
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: believe so. And yes, she does look like Kamala Harris,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: or she does look like the uh, the the brown
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: urban professional, which a lot of corporate material seems to
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: prize the the not too black urban female professional trope.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: That's a that is that is right there.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: So mm hmm, okay, anyway, my.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Mind about the very serious lady problem facing modern corporate America.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: At least the unflappable editors did firm with the subhead
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: of the article that's remained unchanged and has been taking
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: up prime release estate in my ever growing mental role
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: index of.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: You know, this has absolutely no actual logical analysis or
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: argument over the content. It's all this offended me, so
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going to act like a I'm going to act
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: like a mean girl.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, there isn't. I was gonna say, it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: not it's a it's it doesn't. There's no substantive things
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: being made at all. And this is almost halfway done.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: So like it's just bitching about the fact that they
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: even dared to write and there even post this thing
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to begin with. I did get time codes for the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: actual video she's mad about, so we can look at that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It's an article. No, I have the video. There was
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a video.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: There's a video.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the article is a transcript of the video.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Oh cool.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: There was originally a podcast that was an interview between
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: two women, Helen Andrews and someone else and the host
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: who is a man.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, let's look at that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to finish this for first or no?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's finish it. Let's uh, let's complete this looks
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: complete the cycle.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it asks in earnest Can conservative feminism fix it?
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: Can tell you where literally anything is?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Literally nothing feminism can fix feminism.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: There is there is I don't even want to get into.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: The No, like this, this entire word and concept needs
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to be discredited.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Right with liberal feminism is not the liberal.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Parts feminism part Right, this.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Term liberal feminism, you guys made that up. You're trying
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to salvage something. I see what you're conserve the shell game.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You're trying to hide feminism in something in places you're
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: basically just saying feminism equals women and now we're gonna
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: move it over here. No, no, no, there's no such
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: thing as conservative feminism. You made that up to salvage it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And of course this is the New York Times is
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: part to play in this because they're the ones trying
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to salvage it, because people who are like, well we
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: need some kind of feminism. What they're doing is they're saying,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: if this goes away, women will die, Like like that's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the like, this word is the only defense that women
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: all over the world have against men. It's the only
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it's the final you know, the the last stand. It's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the last bit of defense. It's the final shield against men.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And it's like, literally, you don't need it, so let
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it go, let it go, You'll be fine. Men are
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: not trying to hurt you. They're not no.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: So well, here's the thing, Like, most of these problems
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: or I don't know how many of these problems, like
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I know you had a guest recently that talked about
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: evolutionary or biological basis for these problems, And I'm like,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: why don't we start, Okay, before we start the re
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: engineering the human race, why don't we start by no
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: longer charging people for a near a false narrative that
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: men have constructed society for their own benefit at the
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: expense of women. The primary effect is well, aside from
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: negative psychological effects on men and boys, one of the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: big effects is that women always have a go to
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: to deny their own culpability. Okay, like they always have
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a narrative that allows them to hide their accountability and
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: deflect blame. Okay, that is the problem. Now, what our
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: first step could be Stop paying for it. Stop taking
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: it out of people's taxes, stop taking it out of
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: their sales tax, stop taking it out of their purchasing
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: power by inflating the currency or increasing the amount of
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: currency in circulation, because you're making treasuries to pay for
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: stupid programs that promote a lie. Right, just let's start.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Let's start scaling back on all that. Kick it out
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: of academia. Finally, like, get rid of it. Discredit every
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: female or women studies professor, every feminist bit of research,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: get rid of it, get it out of AI models.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Let's start there, okay, and we'll see what happens when
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: women and men aren't subject to an omnipresent threat narrative
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: against men blaming them for everything in society and doing
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: so with absolutely no validity, like this is this is
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: what happened is feminists decided a bunch of shit. You know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: there's just like I don't know, in some kind of
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: flop house somewhere, and they decided the most egregious, absurd crap,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and then they hijacked academia to start manufacturing evidence for
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: their absurd crap. That is the exact opposite of how
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: things are supposed to go right. You're supposed to have
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: ideologically neutral data proving your premises. But yet they hijacked academia,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: they highjacked academic authority, and they produced garbage. Which is
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: why sociology and in particular feminism has a replicatability crisis.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And I just like last night, oh maybe I should
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: save this for deeper in I don't know, I'm talking
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: about my Twitter adventures, and everybody's going to probably be like,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: oh my god, Allison's Twitter adventures. But okay, let's let's
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: let's keep going. I'll save that if people are interested.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: Why don't you name another imaginary concept that only exists
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: in the minds of famously forward thinkers like Sarah Palin.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Kudos to digging the hole deeper than any of us
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: thought possible. And because who needs to be burdened by
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: critical thinking anyway?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: For why do you why do you have to retain
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: any of this? Like guys that saying conservative will conservative
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: feminism to protect her or this is just more of
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the same crap. So she gets so far, so close
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: actually hitting the nail on the head, and then they
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: pivot to something like conservative feminism.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Well, this is New York Times pivoting though not her. Yeah,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and this isn't even Helen Andrews pivoting to that either.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I think The New York Times is trying to to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: They're trying to salvage the word. They're trying to salvage
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the word feminism by like trying to reframe it. Let's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: add another word to the word and then it'll save
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the original word. Now this woman is like, at least
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I guess rightfully saying word like this isn't a thing
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: because conservative feminism is an oxymoron, and so she's like, no,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that's like Sarah Palin and obviously that's one of those
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: non women that I really hate. So this is not acceptable.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: But so they're both arguing or making arguments for something
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that nobody wants, Like nobody wants this.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Right in the chat, Robert Johnson says, real feminism has
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: never been tried.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've already tried democratic feminism, scientific feminism or socialism whatever.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Why not liberal? Yeah, exactly, it's just an attempt to rebrand.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: This whole thing is about branding. It's almost always been
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: so like if you can accept oh yeah, I guess
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: like next it'll be like, you know, how about moderate feminism,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: how about nineties feminism? How about Mary Tyler Moore feminism?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Like whatever, it's all the same. They're just rebranding it
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't actually change anything. It's just a way
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: for these people to save their jobs so they can
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: keep getting paid and they can keep complaining about men
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like they need it. And the thing is even if
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: we got rid of the word, Even if the word
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: feminism disappear from vocabulary tomorrow, these women would still complain
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: about men. It wouldn't change anything. They just come up
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: with a new word to describe it, you know, they
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: would just they just call themselves something else. Yeah, it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: actually the the attitude that has to die, and that
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that begins with making it very very unfortunately. It's what
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: works on women, making it very unfashionable. And do that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: by making it something that is like, you know, no
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: one wants to be attached to. And I think that's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: how you could kill it. But that starts with being
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: able to blame women, like blaming them for their mistakes
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and holding them accountable.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it, that's all that has to happen. I
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: like again, I'm just like, what do you think, what
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: do these women think? Honestly, will happen if tomorrow Wait,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I'll run this by you, Brian, this thought experiment. What
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: if tomorrow every woman woke up.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And was.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Realized that that they were capable of doing things wrong
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and that men should probably be included in their analysis,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: like men's actual opinions, not just I'm going to I
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: want you to feel this way opinions. If they actually
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: included men in their analysis and men's vulnerabilities in their analysis,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: and they started to take responsibility for potential negative effects
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: on other people, what do you think men would do?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Probably drop dead and shocked.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we would throw them in chains and uh you know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: force them to make babies and uh clean and make
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a sandwiches. That's obviously what would happen. Yeah, but if
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: they keep the word feminism, then that's not happening. Guys
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: can't we can't act against it. That's like kryptonite.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: And they keep being unbelievable, unbelievable woke's golds and nags
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and having absolutely no charitability to men and constantly abusing
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: and outright like being cruel to men. Somehow that's gonna
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: stop men from subjugating them. That's that's what's gonna do it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: This is so absurd, Okay, so being having a sense
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: of responsibility, right, that's not that you know if women
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: did that and actually cared about men in a genuine sense,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: because you don't, like, let's face it, I don't think
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: ninety five percent of women really understand what men go
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: through or even accept it. Right, I could be wrong.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's high because I deal with a lot of
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: nonsense people on Twitter, But I don't think if women
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: woke up tomorrow and started recognizing men's issues and started
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: recognizing the potential pitfalls that they bring to and human endeavor,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: started recognizing their flaws right, and started recognizing the feminine
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: shadow that suddenly men would be like, oh, oh, you've
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: done it. No to the no to the sandwich minds
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: with all of you, Like why wouldn't men be doing
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: it now when they have to deal with all this crap? Right?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Why would why would suddenly being like oh, okay, let's
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: stop this, let's take responsibility. Why would that be the
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: thing that made men snap and say oh to the
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: sandwich minds with you and not the unbelievably high volume
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: skull like a vitriol and bitterness and contempt and lack
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: of any kind of gratitude, Like why why would it be?
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Why would be the positive emotions that would send that
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: would get men to send women to the sandwich minds?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Like if that eves even on the table, why would
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: that be it? Why would that be the trigger point? Okay, anyways,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: but that's that's that's that's the implication here, Okay, all right, some.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: To exist, you must have the cognitively deficient understanding of
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: feminism to simply mean letting women have thoughts and speak
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: them out loud in all seriousness, as a communications and
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: political science scholar with nearly.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Is that really what feminism is? Is it?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: No?
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: No?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: No, okay, no no, she's saying it's more than that that.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: She's saying that if you believe that there is such
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a thing as conservative feminism, that you then that means
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you think that the extent of feminism is let me,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: let me find it here. I can just read it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: The extent of it is simply allowing women to think.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: So I don't think, I don't know, let me see here.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Why don't you name another imaginary concept that only exists
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: in the minds of famous forward thinkers like Sarah Palin.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Kudos to digging the hole deeper than any of us
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: thought possible in New York Times, because who needs to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be burdened by critical thinking anyway? For conservative feminism to exist,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: you must have the cognitively deficient understanding of feminism is
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: simply means letting women have thoughts and speak them out loud.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So what she is saying, is that to say that
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: there is such a thing as conservative feminism would would
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: be to say that feminism itself is just letting women
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: have thoughts and speak. When she's saying, it's a lot
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: more than that.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the implication is that feminism is also constraining what
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: women think and speak.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Well, that's also true, but I don't think that's what
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: she would argue.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: But no, but that's what she's been arguing it in verse,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: tell you why because when she says that it's just
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: saying conservative feminism is just allowing women to have thoughts
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: and speech, what she means is that there's some additional
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: aspect to feminism that would restrict women from actually having
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the thoughts and speech that she thinks is wrong. Right,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's like, yeah, feminism allows women to have
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: thoughts and speech, but it's not just that. It's also
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: that women would know, oh, that certain types of thought
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: and speech are wrong. That's what she's saying. Mm hm,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: well maybe it's not coming cross, but.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Well let's let's let's see what she would say.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Okay, Navigating the complexities of workplaces of vastly differing sizes.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: So she doesn't know what critical thought is.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: No, of course not.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: I can tell you with certainty based on something we
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: used to call facts that corruption, nepotism, wage theft, abuse
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: of power, political oppression, and unsafe working conditions all existed
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: long before women showed up to be part of the fun.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Who Okay, then you guys didn't well first of all,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: then you're you're over selling yourselves because you said you
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: were going to improve all that. But we're regardless, Yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: all this stuff did exist, But did it exist to
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: this level? Or actually did did the problems of that
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: women bring because women bring their own problems. They bring
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: chilling out atmosphere, they bring censorship, they bring social bombs,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: and they bring false accusations that are more likely to
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: be believed than actually investigated, right, and they bring all
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: kinds of tensions. So it's it no longer becomes about
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: a workplace doing the work that's intended, and it starts
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: to be becoming about the workplace making them feel good. Right,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: And not all women do this. The problem is that
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: the ones with social power are really inclined to right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: So the one the women who have whatever knack it
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: is to create social power. They seem to be very
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: much inclined to create this kind of chaos to soothe themselves, right,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: and the women who just want to get things done
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: end up being mired too. And unfortunately, how we structure
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: things now empowers the chaos agents, empowers the heiresses in
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: our in our myth, in our midst heiress is the
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: god of goddess of strife. And it doesn't it doesn't
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: actually help anybody. It doesn't help anyone man or woman
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: who just wants to get things done. And we and
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: again there's no accountability, right, there's no overarching structure of
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: accountability for women. And women have this ability to restructure
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: social social situations towards them. I mean, obviously that's a
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: that's an evolutionary advantage because that's that's what they do
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: because they need to be able to acquire resources from
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: large social groups. So they structure social groups towards their benefit.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: It's like a survival strategy. Not going to say that
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: that's like, I'm not going to pass judgment on that,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: but there does need to be some way of controlling
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: it when it's not beneficial to the workplace. And what
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: we've done instead is just try to put out a
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: fire with gasoline by giving all of these even more
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: cover and plausible deniability with from feminist narratives that this
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: woman is now spouting to avoid any kind of blame
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: or responsibility. Okay, I got it, I got it back.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: It's a crony capitalism who is at the helm during
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: the two thousand and eight financial crisis, what brave leaders
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: paved the way for pandemic.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So she's basically saying that men men ran things, therefore
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: it's their fault. Although that's not that's not true anyway.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: And women have been in the workforce since what and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: that things have I mean, according to you, you would
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: say that things are are worse than ever, so women
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: entering the workforce did not improve it. But now you're saying, oh,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it's because women weren't in charge of everything.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: No, okay, yeah, but that is true. She is acknowledging
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: that things are worse than ever. The problem is is
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: that we don't. It could be that the increase in
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: female leadership without accountability. I would honestly lay my chips
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: on that if I were betting, is the problem. Okay,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: And the narratives that allow women to evade accountability. Are
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: the problems? They that those narratives make women nightmares to
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: work with women like this, right, because they will not
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: take responsibility. But all right, let me think. But so
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I would lay my my chips on that being the problem.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: But she's she's just like she doesn't understand that the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: system was working fine. Yeah, like, uh, in the sixties,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: we put somebody on the moon, lady, right, and that
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: was with sixties technology, and now we are no longer
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: looking outward. We're getting more and more insular and setting
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: all that aside, there are industries that have become female dominated.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I've been investigating one over the last few days, actually
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: a few days before that. This was before my latest
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Twitter adventure, and the industry that I'm investigating was the
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: print industry. And it's Shenanigan's and what's okay, So what's
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: relevant about the print industry? It is it is basically
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: overwhelmingly female. Now, right, I think that the editorial and
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: acquisition staff is now less than thirty percent male, and
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: so they've they've locked that all.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Hell Andrews goes into some of that stuff like that,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: the professions where women have become a majority and how
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: they have like negatively affected it. But this woman, I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: don't think she addresses that. She's just gonna say to blame.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: But anyway, So I've been doing this deep dive into
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: the printed dive into the printing industry, and the printing
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: industry is utterly fucked. In fact, there is no real
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: printing industry right now. It's living off of the perennial stales.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: I think perennial is the right word. The the long
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: tail of the print industry that existed like twenty years ago.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: So it's living off of its back catalog. What that
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: means is it's living off of all of the books
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: that were published when men were the dominant editors and
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: acquisition staff. That's their main revenue.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I mean it was always very substantial, like in like
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: two thousand and five it was fifty percent. Now it's
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: over seventy because they aren't actually building that backlist. Nothing
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: that they're producing is really building the backlist, and or
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: it's it's like these aren't these books are not successful
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: in the way that they used to be, So that
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: whole industry is living off of the echoes of valor
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: and glory of when it was male dominated and eventually
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: it's going to implode from a series a comedic series
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: of errors and lack of vision because of extreme risk
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: aversion and I could get I'll go into it more
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: deeply if you guys are interested. But I sense that
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Brian wants to finish this today, So uh yeah today.
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: Sure, banking culture and massive fraud the likes of Enron.
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: Women didn't inherit some pristine corporate Eden, but they're certainly
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: getting blamed for eating that damn apple again despite inheriting.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: You're getting blamed for the problems that are resulting from
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: you dominating certain sections of the business world.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: No one's saying business like all business everywhere is bad
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and women are to blame. They're saying is women are
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: uniquely causing a unique set of problems and this could
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: be addressed like we're ignoring it because it's women that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the that's the problem.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: No, but but but run by that women are to
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: blame for everything in the business world. Agains say it again.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go back.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: No, no, you said it. You say it again.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm saying like they're.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Not saying, We're not saying that.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: We're not saying no one is saying that, you know,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like corruption exists, and some of it
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: is in the workplace, and women have always been the
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: cause of it. All Okay, no one is like this
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: is like straw man. What what they are saying. What
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Helen Andrews was saying in her video and the people
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: who are trying to talk about this is that there
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: is a certain kind of feminine let's say, vice that
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: has negatively impacted the company's ability to function the way
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it did before, and that it should be addressed. And
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: these issues are uniquely coming from the women, and the
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: reason for it, at least one of the reasons for
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: it is that no one wants to talk about it
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: as women. That's like the main reason for that. Like
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: if it was just men like Enron, for example, there's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like documentaries about it. We know they're corrupt. We saw
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the whole thing unfold. Nobody got offended. Nobody said, oh
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: my god, you're you know, attacking men everywhere for this.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: No one said that because it's retarded to say. We
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, that's fucked up, that's corrupt, right,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And when when men do wrong, nobody has a problem
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: pointing it out. Nobody capes for them. Nobody acts like
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they're in a center misunderstood or oppressed or damaged, or
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: you know, they think about their childhood or whatever. None
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: of that works. They can't cry in court and get
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: let off easy. None of that works. But when women
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: are doing stuff, everyone changes, Like, oh my god, remember
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the chick that started her own company it was supposed
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: to it was a scam yeah, Faaraenose right, the Faraenose chick, right.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I mean that they're like obviously like a scammer. I
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: think she used her boyfriend or something, and like all
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: of this, and there was just like one simp story
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: after another that was how oh she's a victim of
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the system. Oh, they were taking advantage of her. Oh whatever, right,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: they made a show about her or a movie or
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: something with I forget her name. But the chick from
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Clueless or Not Clueless Mean Girls was in Anni Seafreed,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: a Manda Syfreed, a Manda sy Freed. So and it's
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: all sympathetic. It's all like, oh, you know, she's just
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: a woman whatever. So Helen Andrews trying to like talk
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: about something very specific and it's not like no corruption
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: existed before women came along. That's that's a ridiculous case.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: No one is making nobody's making that claim.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: So okay, Jim says, women never did more than dip
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: their toe into printing. I said publishing, Did I say printing? Print?
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: How it's publishing, not not literal printing, it's publishing.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not talking about the actual work.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not talking about the actual like printing of paper.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: The hard work stuff. Right. But anyway, so yeah, she's
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: already like misrepresenting. But I mean, this is what they do.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: They this is what they do. And of course the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: whole thing is, by the way, the whole thing I've
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: don't even noticed. The tone of the writing of this
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, women are are, Like she's trying
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: to like attack the New York Times, which by the way,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: is very like it's pretty far left, like regardless of everything,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: they still are. They just entertained this so that they
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: could reframe it in some way. That's why they entertained it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: But this woman didn't think that was good enough, because
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: it's never good enough. But she's still framing it like
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: like they're wrong. Essentially, she's presenting her case as though
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the New York Times is bullying women, and they're the
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: big evil New York Times that doesn't understand systems, and
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: so they're they're also dumb and ignorant, and they're and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: they're taking it out of the poor women that are
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: just trying to like make ends meet with their job
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: in this corrupt system that's got it out for them
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: and like you know, the Orange Man and like capitalism
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: and all these bad, bad systems, and these poor women
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: are just getting abused by, you know, the by not
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: only all those sympstoms, but now the New York Times
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: on top of it. And that's basically the way she's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: framing it. So they're victims of the fact that she
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: has to write this article. So there you go. It's
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: emotional labor by.
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: And for men, many of which were already failing all
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: on their own terms. The NYT wants you to conflate
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: the revelation of the problem with the problem itself, and
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: there's so much that the podcast fails to acknowledge. Here,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: the conversation completely ignores race, literally anything having to do
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: with it. The fact that DEI training, anti harassment, laws,
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: safety protocols, et cetera. Were responses to existing problems and
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: again are not the problem.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: They were mostly problems that apparently happened when you guys
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: entered the workplace, and they problematized the existing male workforce.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: And also those protections weren't don't extend to men. Don't
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: give me this crap. They men do not feel served
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: by workplace harassment protections. That's why they don't. They like
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: reveal that they have been harassed at something like I
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: think maybe one third the rate of women so and
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: pretty much for equivalent crimes. So this is like and
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: they also the workplace harassment stuff took away from the
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: workplace safety stuff, which is unfortunate because that one really
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: affects men.
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: Okay, it's the reality that women are still disproportionately absent
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: from positions of power. How can it be that women
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: who hold just ten percent of fortune five hundred CEO roles,
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: earn less on average, and are underrepresented at every leadership level,
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: but are still somehow the mean cause of a broken
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: corporate America.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: This is this is what they do right, Yeah, at
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: a time, companies, Well that just that positions of power.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: She is saying, like Helen Andrews is saying, women are
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: responsible for these specific things that are in fact women
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: are responsible for them, right, Yeah, and she's saying.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: So, you're saying it's all women all.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: The time, since the beginning of time. This is what
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: the perpetual blame shifter does, right, This is what I see,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: and this is particularly something I see women fall prey to. Yeah,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: instead of taking responsibility for something that was within their power,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: they take responsibility for something outside of their power. Right,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: and then they get everybody to say, oh, it's not
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: your fault, so that they can ignore responsibility for the
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: thing that's within their power. I remember a particular anecdote
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: of about a group therapy session where this this this
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: therapist was leading the session. He was a man. He
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: was leading the session for a bunch of women, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: these women were you know, they had alcoholism, they had
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: family abuse, they had all kinds of other stuff. And
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: one woman talked about how her alcoholic the partner wasn't
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: the father of the child, would beat her child and
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: she would say things like, I'm so responsible for his abuse.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: And then the women would be like, oh, no, you're not.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: You're not responsible for his abuse. You're not responsible at all.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: And then the male therapist would say, yeah, you're not
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: responsible for his abuse, but why didn't you take Why
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: didn't you protect your child that that is something that
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: you were responsible for. Why did you stay and allow
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: your child to experience that? And I know feminists will say,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: but but but you know, the death that is such
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: a tiny percentage. You might as well say, don't walk
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: outside because you'll get hit by lightning. Right, Yeah, this
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: is this is like she decided to take responsibility for
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: his abuse because she knew everybody would be like, oh,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: they're they're there. You can't possibly be responsible for that.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: So she didn't have to take responsibility for what she
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: was responsible for, which was protecting her son. And that's
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: what I see women do, and in particular, it's a
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: female failing. Oh are you saying I'm responsible for the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: heat death of the universe. No, gladys, I'm saying you're
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: responsible for leaving the wreck or the break room in
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: the shambles. Oh, I can't believe you say I'm responsible
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: for the two thousand or the nineteen twenty nine stock. No,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I'm saying you're responsible for the thing you're doing right now.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: She is evading responsibility. Oh, you think I'm responsible for
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: the for the so the eruption of Mount Vesuvius that
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: took out Pompeii. No, I'm not saying that. And this
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: is the same thing. She is exaggerating what these people
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: are saying women are responsible for in order to not
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: take responsibility for a damn thing. And the fact that
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: she gets away with this and people don't laugh at
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: this is a problem. Okay, yep, I'm done. I'm done.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: All right? Uh did we do that super child from
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: that Papiga put through already?
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: He sent one through.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Yesterday, right, Okay, guys, do you want me to shill
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: the superchow? Well, go ahead, okay, send those super chows in?
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: So quiet? Is it just the Monday? Is it the topic? Like?
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Not very well traffic feed the Badger dot com slash
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: just the tip, send those super chows in. Tell us
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: we're not screaming into the void. Be very greatly appreciated.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: And okay, he just said honey for the Badgers.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah he sent us. Uh yeah, but I thought
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I would acknowledge it's twenty five and then I think
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: something for the fundraising.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: A subscription, Yeah it was he Oh, thank you really
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: appreciate it. Yeah very much, thank you, Pepita.
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: And women have feminized the workplace. You'd think that would
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: translate into putting themselves in charge. No, the notion that
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: capitalism itself may be the true source of burnout.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: But they put themselves in charge of some very critical departments.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Like what is working then if you're not trying to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: make money so you can buy stuff, like what are
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you talking about? And yeah, women don't have to necessarily
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: have like a name plate and a corner office to
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: have power. They could just be in HR departments. And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that's like the thing too, is that a lot of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: what Helen Andrews is talking about is the HR departments
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: and how they're weaponized to destroy men who are like
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: you know, in the lower rungs. It's not like this
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: is a none of one of these cases of apex
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: fallacy where women like this are like, but CEOs aren't like,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: you know, losing their job. I mean, yeah, CEOs can
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: lose their jobs too, but like, you know, she's looking
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: at the CEOs and it's like, no, it's the working
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it's the guys like you know, in the lower levels
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that are dealing with this. Because these women in middle
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: management that get in the positions of power, or they
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: work in HR, or they just use HR as a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: weapon against men in the workplace or of the women
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: in fact, because that's another thing that she talks about.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: That's the problem. But like, obviously this person doesn't care
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: about those men. I mean, she doesn't care about any men,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: but she especially doesn't care about working classmen like men
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: care about.
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  Speaker 3: Women who don't agree with her, yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Or women that disagree with her exactly, Okay, I mean
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: HR could destroy a company too, Like, it can it
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: even if it doesn't like they're not at the top,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: but they can like destroy their reputation. You know, it
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: can be bad for that company.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: Family, institutional dysfunction, billionaire supremacy, and the like.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: The research on the material benefits billionaire supremacy.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Get together with a bunch of other billionaires burning crosses
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: on your lawn. You know, it's something that they do.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: That women in leadership provide, from increased innovation to less corruption,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: more transparency, better crisis management, beyond the faintest possibility.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Oh brother, here's a whole bunch of positive things. No, again,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: all of this science is not it's she never claimed.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: She never claimed that Helen Andrews never claimed that women
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: don't do anything good, but that that's the Even the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: woman that Helen Andrews debates on this in the video
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: that this was transcripted from, did not like was trying
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: to protect some kind of like you know, Golden Calf
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: that was feminism. And Helen Andrews was like, I'm trying
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: to be like as objective as possible in talking about this,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: and she's like, are you trying to take women's I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: mean not literally, but you know, like can we find
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: something positive to say about women?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: And she's like, why why are we doing that?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, why do we have to do that?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Why do we always we shouldn't it's a land acknowledgement. Yeah,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: it's bullshit. Okay before I start, guys, I don't hate women.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Like that's so dumb.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: You see every time people say things like that, I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: just want to say, yeah, I hate women, and I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: blame them. I don't know what. I think. It's my
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: contrarian or something. It's like, you you want to stop
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: me from saying this, Well I got to say it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Of course, there's some things that you can't say on YouTube. Yeah, well,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: you know the nuke being hit. But anyway, let's let's
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: finish this.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: Off, right, That general Z is right about the structural
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: injustices they observe in the workplace. Like most other injustices,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: those who don't wish to acknowledge their existence are conveniently
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: the ones that benefit from them the most. And society's found.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, none of none of these are accurate. Like all
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: of the things that she's saying that she's a victim of, No,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: none of them, none of them are accurate. Like, it's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: just a bunch of bullshit. Yeah, she's just threat narrative.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: And guy, she's just she's just spinning a narrative a threat. Okay,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: you know it's it's workplaces. Workplaces are the threat, not women.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: You know, workplaces exist women most affected, but also workplaces
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: in women most effect. It's like she's in competition with
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: the workplace. You know. Now people have said, wow, what
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: if women have a negative effect on the workplace, you know,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: in some constrained instances, Right, and she's like, oh my god,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: something might be getting victimhood points more than me. Not allowed.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, Lusians is at an all time high.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: We should consider that our modern problems cannot be solved
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: by continuing to operate in accordance with and perpetuate the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: traditional masculine norms we've been conned into believing are the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: only roadmap for success.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: What traditional masculine norms we can conned You mean white things,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: because that's the other thing. They're just white people things, apparently.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Well, like just the thing is is like I don't
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: know if you noticed, but these people never actually have
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: a proposed solution. They only have criticism. Yep, that's all
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: they are. All they talk about is tearing down, tearing down,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: tearing down, because that is all they want. They don't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: actually want to fix anything. Like women want to work. Like,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: even if I'm like really objective about like why women work,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's because, like at the base baseline, it's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: because they need money and they need resources to live,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: and so they work to live. They work because things
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: aren't free and there's no such thing as a free lunch.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: She's and she's like celebrating all of the accomplishments that
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: women who work have, like all of the good that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: women bring to the workplace, but she also hates the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: idea of work itself because she calls it oppressive and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: masculine and capitalists and stuff, which she also doesn't like.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: So she doesn't actually like work. She doesn't actually want that,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: but she won't make the argument against it because if
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: she does, then it actually like follows that the things
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: that she's trying to which is women working, she can't
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: because she's also against working. So like she's for women working,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: but she's against working itself. Right, she can't hold those
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: two positions at the same time. So instead she doesn't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: advocate anything. She'll say, well, this is what we could
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: do to fix this problem. She instead says, this problem
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist, and if it does exist, it's actually not
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: this problem. It's men, and it's capitalism and its property rights,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: and it's stuff, and it's whiteness, and it's things like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: you know, keeping track of time and using logic. Those
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: are all the problems. But I'm not going to propose
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: an alternative because there isn't one. I'm just gonna keep
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: criticizing it. And this is just how thing, This is
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: how critical theory works. You just criticize things until they
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: lose all meaning and they just spiral out into the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: ether and disappear. And so there's no objective. This is why,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: like it's often Lindsay and I like to say that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: these people will say, we're where we were. We got
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: to have a conversation about having a conversation, because it
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: never goes anywhere. It's just a conversation about a conversation
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: about a conversation. But no solutions are ever offered, nothing
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: has ever proposed, because they can't. And if you do
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: the near part of the problem. That's why Ellen Andrews
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: or even you know James de Moore, the guy who
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: worked at Google, and he put together that. I think
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: it was like a presentation that explained why affirmative action
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: for women might not work because it wasn't getting the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: results they wanted because they were looking for parody. And
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: he was like, well, that's not going to happen, and
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: it's because of women's preferences, and it's because of this
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: and this and this, and he was very very fair
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and himself he was like, I would like to see
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: more women in the workplace. So he was coming at
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: it from the same perspective in terms of goals that
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Google had. He had the same goal. He's like, well, yeah,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: let's do that. And then he was like, well, it's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: here are the challenges we're going to have, so actually
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: proposing a solution to a problem, or at least saying,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: here are the reasons, here are the challenges we're gonna
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: have if we're gonna try to address this. And he
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: got fired for that because he dared to even say
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: women are different than men. And this guy was about
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: as like moderate as it came when it comes to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: like trying to even talk about this stuff. But the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: problem is he tried to talk about the stuff instead
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: of just complaining along with everybody else, and so it
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: this is the only way this could go. And this
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: is where Helen Andrews was trying. She was also proposing
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: things and they were all very reasonable, and of course
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: that made her the enemy because they're like, you're not
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: supposed to be solving problems. You're just supposed to complain.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: You're just supposed to complain and then get everybody else
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: to get in on it with you, because that's how
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: we make money, that's how we survive. We get paid
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: to talk about these things, to complain about these things,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: to have conversations about conversations, and nothing is actually supposed
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: to get done until it loses all meaning, and that's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: what I think the purpose of it is. It's the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: talk until it doesn't mean anything anymore, and then no
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: one even remembers what it was originally about.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I realized another way to look at this. In the fifties,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: we basically stripped women's productive identity from them and replaced
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: it with a consumptive identity. So the homemaker who consumes
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: instead of like the homesteader who is productive. And with
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: a caveat guys, there is one point that is like,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: if you were a homemaker might actually be a really,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: really good use of your time. If you're a very
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: educated woman, spending your time being at home and teaching
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: your children and being highly involved in their education will
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: yield geniuses at a rate five to seven times higher
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: than any other situation, aside from both parents staying home
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: and being highly evolved in the education of their children,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: which will re yield geniuses at a fifteen to thirty
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: times higher rate than the average rate of geniuses. But
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: aside from that, we took women from being producers to consumers.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: And that was because of progressive liberal or progressive Hollywood values. Right,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: they actually destroyed the original traditional relationship or sorry, the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: original traditional identity of men of women as producers for
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: their families. And you can still see this in traditional societies.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Women aren't supposed to be sitting there consuming in traditional societies.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: It's why they have more stem degrees. They are expected
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: to provide for their families, which means they still have
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: that identity of female provision providership. Now in the fifties,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: again we have Hollywood, we have Madison Avenue, we probably
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: have the CIA as well somewhere in they're deciding to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: take women from productive people to consumptive people, people who
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: define themselves by their ability to consume. Now, once you
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: define women by their ability to consume, and then they've
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: consumed all of the gadgets that make their their job
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: in the home basically part time and mostly just entertainment,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: and what next do they have to consume? Well, you
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: can have them consume rights, which they did. So they
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: look at rights as consumables, not essential to responsibility. So
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: they don't see responsibilities and rights as being something that
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: are paired. They just see rights as consumables. And then
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: after you've consumed all the rights, what's next, well, jobs,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: And again, these women with this new identity of consumer
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: go into the workplace seeing their jobs as consumables, as
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: things that make them feel happy, as things that allow
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: them to socialize, as things that give them prestige, but
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: not things that actually keep a business alive. Now, does
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: that not explain a lot of the behavior of women
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: when they go into the workplace. And I'm not talking
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: about lower class, middle class women, but women like this,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: privileged women, when they go into the workplace and they
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: get these avocado toast jobs that apparently Elon could fire
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: ninety percent of and not affect the working of Twitter.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: So these are jobs that do nothing. They don't shift
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: the bottom line for the businesses that they're part of.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: They're just prestiges. They're entertaining that you get to socialize,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: you occasionally write an email, and you eat plenty of
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: avocado toasts and maca lattes, and that's basically your job.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: It's a consumable, it's not a job. And that attitude
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: in the workplace destroys economies because it takes productive industries
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: and turns them into slop, consumable slop for the people
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: in them, So that it takes a productive industry and
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: it bloats it with jobs that are about the person
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: in the job, enjoying themselves, feeling prestigious, now socializing, doing
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: an occasional little bit of work, but still is you know,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: it still gives them a sense of a sense that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: they're what matters, not the job, not the business, but
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: them because they are they are consuming, they're the consumer,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: They're the one that needs to be pleased. And I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: think that's actually it actually squares the squares of the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: circle for her attitude towards jobs. No, she doesn't. She
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: thinks that work is horrible. She thinks that the toxic
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: masculine approach to work is horrible, which is, you go
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: to work, you do a job. You do the job
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: because you get paid, but you also do the job
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: potentially because you don't want your business to go the
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: business that pays you to go under. You know, you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: do the job because it's there to be done, or
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: if you're a man, you just I don't know, men
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: are like, you know, you could just put something out
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: there that needs to be fixed and guys will just
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: sort of gravitate towards it and be like, Okay, how
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: do we do this right? It's just it seems to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: be inbuilt to the masculine psyche to find problems to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: fix so that they bring that. That's the toxic masculinity
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: approach to jobs. She didn't like that. She wants the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: modern consumer approach to jobs, which is the job exists
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: for her. The job exists to make her feel good
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: and her feel special, and to give her a avocado
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: toast breaks and to give her are the opportunity to
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: do hot yoga with the girls. That's what jobs exist for.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: They don't exist to keep a business alive, all right,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: And that's probably why women will do jobs where they
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: don't get paid. If they're prestigious and they feel like
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: they're going to be entertaining and they're they're basically consumable jobs,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: all right. All right.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I got a super chat from Albatross for five and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: he says odd that the women slash activists, et cetera
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: wants to tear down the structures we take for granted,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: but at the same time demand safety and comfort. Cognitive dissonance.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, women thrive in paradox. I don't. I don't know.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: they they do. I don't know. And maybe again, it's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: not about the nail.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: It's short sighted.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I yeah, we just have to ignore them.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, we can't really. But there's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds left in this Okay.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: From AI and climate change to the collapse of American
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: democracy and rise of global fascism. Cannot be solved with
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 6: more conflict and less empathy. Dl docker this article asks,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: all right, so.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: And that was the end. Yeah, now we got we
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: got you. Notice how she goes. She pivoted immediately to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: more like feminist talking points climate change, global fascism, capitalism.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Uh uh, And we need empathy. That's it. That's that's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: the solution. More empathy.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: It's not empathy if you're just a woman giving it
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: to other women, not even to women, you're just a
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: woman giving it to the narrative that you think gets
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: you the things you want. That's not empathy. Yeah, you
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: say that we need more empathy, show it to the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: group of people you're not, which is men, then I'll
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: then you know. Then you're right. It's because the thing
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: is they talk about toxic empathy, and the real problem
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: is it's selective empathy. Mm hmm, all right, very okay.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Can we get into the other part.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the other one. So we got it
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: right here.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Start.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: We'll start with the stinger. So Helen Andrews is the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: woman on the left with the glasses and forget the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: other woman's name, but not that important. So and we'll
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: play the stinger clip. So this is like, what the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: other chick got upset about? Was this conversation taking place?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, I really couldn't get purchased on from your essays.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: I never got a sense of whether there were female
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: virtues at all from your piece.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: If you want to know what I like about women,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: you know, that's not like going to ask me. In fact,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: I am from me an entire essay on the subject
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: what I like about women?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: Rates are very reason what do you like about women?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: So he wrote this piece specifically about the great feminization,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: which is the bad things that an overly feminized space
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: can result in. And this woman who was critiquing her
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: not apparently not not like the opposite of Helen, but
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: like was concerned about the tone. Surprise, surprise, A tone
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: policing woman, I know. But she was like, did you
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: have anything nice to say about women? I want to know?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: And she's like, if you want to know I could.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I could tell you, because I'm right here. You're upset
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: that I didn't put it in the piece. But the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: piece wasn't about what makes women nice? Right? So that's
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: that's the Uh.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: I would just say, no, there's nothing I like about women.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: I can't even describe anything that I like about women.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: The first and primal thing a human being needs to
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: do to be likable is take accountability mm hmm and
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: be able to take criticism. So why don't you demonstrate likability, lady?
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: And then moybe, I'll say it like you?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: So she does she play the silly buggers game?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: The silly buggers?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like, does she does she? Do they
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: rail world her into saying what she likes about women? Uh?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. No, No, I don't think
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: she does. I think she sticks to her guns.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: Basically, good, good for her, some moral courage. Congratulations, that's likable.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he says, do you the the host guys like,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: do you like women?
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  Speaker 5: Are very reason?
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  Speaker 7: What do you like about women?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Helen?
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  Speaker 3: Do you like men?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: What is this?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Okay? So you do you like women? All right? Well,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: does this guy like men? I think that the criteria
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: for was that the criteria.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: She has positive things. Look, Helen Andrews has positive things
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: to say about men in her piece because she's talking
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: about what men bring to the table to a professional
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: atmosphere that's good good that women shut down or take
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: for granted or dislike, and that it is the interaction
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: between a feminized workplace and men's way of working operating.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: That that clash is what's causing problems and Helen's trying
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: to address it. She acknowledges basically with men that they're
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: full human beings. They have, you know, things that they're good,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: and then there are things that could be You know
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: that they have their own vices, but generally those vices
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: are addressed when they become a problem, but women's vices
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: are not. That's the main thing.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's exactly what I said. And the thing
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: is that I'm much more hard line because I know
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: that once you start playing the silly Buggers game, you
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: never get back on topic, Like once you start playing
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: the do you like women game? Well, do you like men?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Do I have to like women? Does liking women make
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: what I say more true?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Why do we all have to fucking like women. What
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: is that necessary? Why does that be like the precondition
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: to actually speak? All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna let
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: the cat in.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, should I play the video?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Ye?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 8: Men and women are really different. But what do those
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 8: differences mean? Should the right be trying to roll back
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: the entire feminist era?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course they're not gonna say that. But
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know that they could. I don't. I don't
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: know that you could do that. But but should they? Yes?
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: But I don't think you can.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, but no, no, but we could actually roll back.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: The thing is, the feminist era is what men women
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: working while they always did. Right. The feminist area is
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: women having saying in politics, well they always did. Feminist
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: era is women being on boarded do the things men
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: construct as soon as it's bureaucratically reasonable for them to
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: do so, and it's stable and it provides more benefit
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: than it takes in terms of risk. That's always been
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: the case. Like this is like you go look through
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: human history, there's no situation, no part of human history
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: resembles anything to do with feminism. So what we're really
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: asking is should we dismantle a ideology that co opted
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: academia to create legitimacy for itself based on around unsubstantiated
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: and very hateful allegations against men. And the answer is, yes,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: there is no way that not dismantling that there's no
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: way that dismantling that is not going to result in
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: a net gain for the entirety of the human race.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: So the answers, yes, we should one hundred percent dismantle
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: feminism and don't let the thing that's being dismantled protect
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: itself by Do you have you ever watched I think
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: it was Freer in like this. Uh, it's this anime
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: with this very aged, this very aged kind of elf
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: who who is not like she doesn't look aged, but
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: she is really old, and she's reminiscing about her former
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: human traveling companions who have all died or most of
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: them have died while the humans have died, but there
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: was one dwarf who's still alive. And so at one
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: point they have this this race of demons that manages
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: to infiltrate human society by manipulating our sense of compassion
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: and empathy. And they managed to overcome one of these
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: demons in like a little village and as that like
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: they're just about to kill that demon. The demon says,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: cries out for its mother, and freer in the main
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: female elf is like telling the humans, don't don't buy
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: into it, because it's just doing that in order to
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: manipulate you into sparing it. And but the humans don't listen,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: so they spare the demon, and the diamon ends up
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: killing a bunch of kids and whatever else you know
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: demons do. And then when they corner it and finally
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: kill it as it's dying, they ask, why did you
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: call out for your mother? And the demon said, because
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: when I say those words, you don't kill us. That's feminism.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: When I say, when feminism says things but without us, men,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: men would subjugate women without us, that's that is the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: demon crying out for its mother, so it won't kill you.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: So don't listen because it's absolute, unsupported nonsense, nonsense, pernicious lying.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: That's better.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, I'll play a little bit more
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: at this opening.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: Or is there a conservative feminism that can correct liberalism's mistakes?
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 8: My guests this week are both conservative writers, both critics
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 8: of feminism, both women who have very different views of
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: what a right wing politics of gender should look like.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: So Helen Andrews lelie.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm pausing it there. That's just them setting
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: the stage. I despise this framing, but whatever. So they
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: get into an argument about three minutes and I could
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: get to that. Helen Andrews critiques wokeness as a feminized pathology,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: So let's go to that bit right there.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that there are some generalizations that can
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: be made about tendencies that are male or female, masculine
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: virtues and vices and feminine virtues and vices. But those
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: things are always a spectrum and it's hard to get
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: a grip on them. And if I sat here and
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: said women tend to be more emotional, more men tend
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: to be more intellectual, you could have five perfectly valid
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: objections to that right off the bat. So I think
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: I will restrict myself to the judgment on which I
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: am confident, which is that the pathology in our institutions
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: known as wokeness is distinctively feminine and feminized.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we can't do too long, And yes, I know,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: I just she talks a little bit slow.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I could speed it up in terms of the playback.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe yeah, I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Speed up the playback speed to like one point twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Great, that's great. All right, So, yes, pathology is woke.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: That's where it came from. There, there is consistently this
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: desire to censor based on tone or social comfort consistently
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: comes from women. It's very difficult to argue otherwise since
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: the statistical evidence is there. Yeah, okay, so she's one
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: hundred percent right. She's very very careful, very well.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: I think she knows like she's got experience with this, right,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: so she's trying to be But I also think that
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: like people like this, I can tell because I'm I'm
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: like this too. They hate being misrepresented and so you know,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: it's like, this is what I said, and I'm very
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: particular and I'm very specific with my words. So if
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: you if you imply I didn't that I said something
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't say, if you do like a you know,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Kathy Newman on me and say so saying, then I'm
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: going to call you on it because I'm being very careful.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: And this is like the this is where we are
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: now where we can't just speak and then people in
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: good faith are like, okay, let's dig at dig a
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: little deeper and figure out where you're coming from. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I understand where you are. Now, okay, so here's where
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: I am. Let's move forward from here. No, it's like, no,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: actually I think you said this. You know, it's like
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: the least charitable interpretation possible, and so you you you
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: just can't with you just can't deal with that.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: No, it's trying to establish tribal lines instead of recognizing
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: that people with different opinions can be beneficial. They can
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: challenge and sharpen your beliefs. They may also have a point,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: you know. And Okay, she she's a little bit she's
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: a little bit clingy right now because she really wants
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: her kibble and we're not feeding her kibble out of
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: fear that the kibble is causing an allergic reaction, which
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: is causing you know, the uh, the scratching, which she
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: is scratching a lot, and it's leaving like like injuries.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: So that's that's what's going on with her. She's not
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: she's not. I don't think she's suffering. We took her
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: to the vet. We we found out that it might
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: be an allergic reaction, it might be mites, it might
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: be some other thing. That will probably require like three
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars to fix. I'm exaggerating. I'm really hoping it's
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: that it's just you know, the allergies or the mites.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's that's where she's at. She's a
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: little bit pesty. I put her in the other room
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: for a bit so we could actually talk and we
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: could start the show. She might come back and pest
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: some more. Yeah, so guys are wondering about my behavior
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: towards her.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: All right, I think fort some things to read out
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: from the audience. Nova twenty one gave us a dollar
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: and on Rumble, thanks you know a fan and says
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: the only time women hold each other accountable is feminists
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: punishing female resistance to the sisterhood. Yes, and that's the
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: only thing, Like, that's the only thing that they're guilty of.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: So and then Senior Stix says for two dollars, feminism
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: didn't ruin the workplaces, but it didn't help. Again, Helen
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Andrews isn't claiming that it ruined the workplace. She's saying
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: that it is a problem, and I think it's right.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: I think that she specifically points to HR departments as
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: one of the primary problems, and that if there was
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: a way to tamp that back, at least in terms
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: of like their influence. Like if you went to HR
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: and the only thing you were going to them for
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: were things like you know, like holiday hours over time
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: four to oh one k, you know, retirement like this
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: sort of like you or your health insurance like whatever,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: then that's one thing. And they do all those things
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: and those are fine, but they're also involved with things
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: like lawsuits and discrimination and like these other things that
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: are a lot more you know, I don't know, hard
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: to pin down. They're not as objective, they're not as straightforward,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people exploit that stuff, and HR
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: itself gets involved in ways that it probably shouldn't. So
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: that's just one thing, right, So yeah, anyway, so let's keep.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: Going and that in a very literal sense, our institutions
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: have gone woke because there are more women in them
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: than there used to be.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: What is the nature the essential nature of wokeness that
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: you associate with a certain kind of feminized politics or
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: feminized ways of relating to other.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: People you associate.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: What yeah? That that that look is one that would
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: be the look I would be giving do you mean
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: what is suggested by the science, sir.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not getting kibble.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna die if you don't get kibble. Like
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: I might locate a can of food for her, But
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: do you mind if you just keep playing and responding
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: and I will locate the can of anything else.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: Let's pick one flavor of wokeness, and that is the
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: Me Too movement. It was not just an increase in
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: the volume of sex scandals. There have been sex scandals
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: since the dawn of politics, and it was not just
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: that there were more of them than there used to be.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: If it were simply a matter of more women having
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: the self confidence to speak up and challenge their accusers,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone could possibly object to that. But
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: that's not what the Me too movement was. The Me
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: Too movement was a change in the rules of how
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: sex scandals work. There was a change in what kinds
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: of behavior were held up for censure, and you had
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: people like comedian as He's Ansari being canceled for what was,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, just a bad date
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: and he was guilty of not much more than severe awkwardness.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: All right, so's this me too is like an example
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: that she's using. So this isn't about that, she's just
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: using and it's a good example to give because well
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: she's making it pretty clear. It's basically like it didn't
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: challenge sexual impropriety in the workplace or in politics or whatever.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: It changed the rules of engagement between men and women.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: It permanently damaged the way that men and women relate
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: to each other, like at least like it seems permanent, right,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: And she uses the disease as these and I'm sorry
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: thing as an example where you know, he had a
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: bad date with a woman and he got canceled for
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: it and he was basically he's disappeared from public life
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: as far as I can tell.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: So okay, can I just get in there all right?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: Me too? And this is something I said a while back.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: And I think you remember, you know, feminism stabs you,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: and you know that the last time feminism stabs you
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: is you know, that's that's okay, But feminism gets no
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: more stabs. And then feminism stabs again, stabs someone again,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, no, okay, well just that's no
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: more stabs. Well we'll accept that, but no more. That's
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: how that's how they keep operating. No, me Too do
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: nothing good nothing. If it was ever going to do
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: anything good, it would have done something for the multitude
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: of men who are suffering in silence due to the
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: sexual harassment and sexual violence of women because they're out
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: there not reporting, and they continue not to report. So
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: all this did was empower women to do something they
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: were already empowered to do, but now do it ten
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: times harder with no oversight. At some point you gotta
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: say no. When feminisms stabbed someone that is wrong, they
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: don't just get another stab and then and then you're like, oh, well, okay,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: but but stop there, you know, stop at me too,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: you know, stop at uh, stop at the slut walks,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: you know, stop at Susan Brown Miller saying that Emmett
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: Till was complicit with the with the the sexual violence
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: of all women. Right, maybe stop. No, all of it
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: is bad. None of it is a solution to anything.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: And if it was a solution, then it would be
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: solving the problem for male victims. To think about that,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: If me Too had been a solution, it would have
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: been solving the problems for male victims too. Did it No, Okay?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: Continue all right, It suddenly became mandatory for us to
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: believe all women, no matter how credible or not credible
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: their testimony might be. It got to the point where
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: to even probe a woman's story with various questions about
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: the facts of the of the case became an affront
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: and disrespectful to women. So that, to me is the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: essence of wokeness that you see in all of its
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: other variations on campuses or in the workplace, yep, yep,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: cutting down conversations, intruding politics to spheres that had previously
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: been neutral, sort of importantly neutral, pillars of civilization, neutrality,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: things like the rule of law were suddenly subject.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, that wasn't me too. Feminism absolutely raped academic neutrality.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 10: M hmm.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: Like feminism raped it, you know, and then did a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: victory lap, did it, raped it again, did another victory lap,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: told everybody that the fact they had to rape academia
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: in the first place was actually oppression of women. Did
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: another victory lap, raped it again, you know. Basically, feminism
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: utterly destroyed academic ethics, academia's claim to consistently applied ethics
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: and principles, right and yes, like that that that what
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: you were saying, you know, new new sectors. They're all
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: no that it started in academia and then it built
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: up a fortress of bullshit around itself. HM.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So here's it's not really her response,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: but her take on this sort of opening discussion about feminization.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: So her name is Leah. I don't remember her their name,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: but her name is Leah something.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: You can see this in a variety of way, something
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: pretty small skill. There's a lot of going back and
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: forth on the college level about where the three point
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: line should be for men and women's basketball. Should it
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: be equivalently hard for a man and women to hit
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: the shot, or should it be at exactly the same
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: spot so no one can say the women aren't playing
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: as hard. I don't actually care that much about basketball,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: I'll level with you, but I think that anxiety that
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: to draw two lines on the court would in some
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: way imperil women's dignity is wrongheaded, and you see it
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: to have a real cost in other domains where that
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: attempt to treat women like defective men. Why nearly identical,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: nearly swappable? And when we can close, what why are.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: We Okay, what's the payoff.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: Here, let's see, is that gap no one will be
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: able to tell us for less then ultimately does a
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: fundamental injustice to women, and it results in violence towards babies,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: because of course, pregnancy is the most obvious way women
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: differ from men. It won't ever be fully closed.
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  Speaker 7: And a big part of your argument is that the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 7: institution of American life or Western life since the feminist revolution,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: have basically said to women, yes, you can join up,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: you can you know, you can have the jobs you want,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: you can have the equality you want, but we will
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 7: not accommodate ourselves to what you just defined us the
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 7: greatest female distinctive right to you.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yes, jobs will not accommodate what is accommodated
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: by a house. Okay. When you go to your house,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: you do things that you do in a house, like
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: raising your children. When you go to the workplace, you
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: do things that you do in a workplace, like working. Okay, Like,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: what the hell this is? So what this discussion is
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: now about how to balance workplace? For well, I can
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: tell you right now, based on what I've researched, if
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  Speaker 3: we want to actually stride confidently into the future as
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: a species that's self aware and as an actual chance
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: of getting off of its globe planet of birth, then
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: probably what we're going to do have to do is
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: encourage women to stay at home, and specifically very educated women,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: and educate their children and spend that their time doing that,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: because that will overall increase the intelligence quotion of the
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: human race. We can also do that with men. In fact,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: the very best situation would be to encourage both men
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: and women to stay at home, highly educated or verious
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: intelligent men and women to stay at home and raise
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: their kids to raise the collective IQ. No eugenics required.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: But here's the problem, and he softens it too. Feminism
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: didn't just say, oh, you're going to have the choice.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: Feminism was pretty clear that it didn't want women to
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: have the choice not to go into the workplace. Yeah,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: and that's what they aimed for. Well, okay, let's I.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Mean this, Well, let me let me give you a
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: little bit. I'm not gonna play it. But this guy
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: the set up the context of that comment she made.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: What the So remember, guys, this is the New York Times.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: They are already a feminist organization. The host is feminist.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: The guy the woman on the right is feminist too,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: even though she calls herself like a conservative feminist whatever
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: that means, that doesn't matter. She's a feminist. There's no like,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: it's basically like feminists from twenty years ago, or maybe
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago, if I'm really charitable. And Helen Andrews
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't really state a position on that, Like no one's
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: asked her, are you a feminist? But she doesn't sound
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: like it's of interest to her, so like she's not
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: worried about losing her rights or her job or anything
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: like that. She's she's definitely on the spectrum. And I
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: kind of like her for that. But that's just me.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: But that's the woman on the left is Helen the
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: woman the spurg I was talking tobout.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, so uh, I was promised, I was promised female flaws.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: Where are they?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into that, so the guy says to
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: her before she answers, he says, I want to start
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: Leah with a fairly direct question about because you are
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: identifying yourself in your book as a particular kind of feminist,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: and I want to ask you what is wrong with
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: existing feminism, liberal feminism and how it has failed women.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: So I think the essential problem is that there is
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: a train, a strain of feminism that sees any difference
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: between men and women as a threat to our equality.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: So this is like the I'm mentioning this context because
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: it's the foundation under which these ideas are coming from
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: for these two people, for the man in the center
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: and the woman on the right, which is that there
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: has to be a feminism that and there has to
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: be equality like whatever. And of course you know what
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: equality means is their version of equality with which is
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: just like are women taken care of?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: That's basically what it means. It doesn't matter what men
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's what are women taking care of? Okay, Right,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: it's assumed that men's position is fine, and that's why
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: she goes into the thing about the basketball courts. So
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: I'm going to jump ahead to where it gets a
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: little bit more I guess contentious. Uh thirteen oh two.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: This is a disagreement about whether, like if, if this
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: is this feminization is is explicit wokeness is explicitly feminine
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: A problem with wokeness?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I think America is a
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: country of repeated religious revival, and this was one of them.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: It swept up both men and women and came out
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: of a fundamental sense of you know, what's wrong with us? Right,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: the fundamental question. People are always asking what's wrong with us?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: And what can we do about it? I think wocus
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: was deeply interested in questions about guilt, but had kind
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: of thin answers for how guilt.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: I want to tell you where BOCS actually came from.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Right and right In the first Medium article that we
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: looked at, did you notice how she used advocacy for
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: all of the pet the monolithic raised capitalism to justify,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: justify how women weren't to blame. Right, Yes, she used.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 10: Them to to render women blameless, so women can't possibly
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 10: be as bad as men, or have problems or bring
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 10: flaws to the workplace because women protected the minorities.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: That's where woke came from. It's just more of this.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Woke is just it's just it's just feminism. It's just
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: like another brand of it. Though like it, I think
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: that this kind of intersectional, progressive UH set of beliefs
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: are very old. They just have a new name. They're
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: not new though. Like you can look at the six
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: these when you had like weather Underground and the womanism
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: which was like I think it was womanism which was
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: like black feminism, but that was just intersectional feminism for
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: and then queer feminism was a thing back then, and
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: like you had all the queer theorists, like the Judith
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Butler's and stuff. So this isn't new. It's just like
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: resurged in the mainstream because of things like me Too
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: and BLM and such. But it's not a new idea.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: And of course you know it's headed up by women.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: So I mean that's I'm sorry, Ilica, I'm mean to
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: cut you off.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: No, it's okay, We're not a gaggle of Canucks. Brian
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: is American special chat popped in. Okay, let's let's keep going.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's go.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: But I see this is less of a significant deviation
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: from other parts of American history.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: Let me ask you though, about wokeness in particular.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: So that's I don't have to take responsibility for that
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: because I've identified it. Yeah, but even if it is
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: a religious resurgence, it's deeply tied to women and feminism.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: So she basically saying, oh that, so this one woman
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: is saying that's a flaw. Well, women bring rocism into
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: the and she's saying, no, it's it's a flaw of
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: religion and also religious men, religious men and women, but
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: mostly religious men. So it's a flaw of Christianity. And
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: by Christianity, I mean white men who are conservative. So
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: it's a flaw of conserv You see, wokeness is actually
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: by transitive property, is actually a flaw of Republican white
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: men or any kind of conservative men. Do you see
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: this now? Do you see how that works? My DearS?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Do you see yeah?
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: Conservatives need to take responsibility for pushing wokeness on the world.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: That's the most Does anybody just stop women like this
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: and say, okay, no.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 11: You're right, woman, a quiet woman to your own argument,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 11: do you write a society that cannot imagine placing the
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 11: week at its center, that forgets that society exists for
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 11: the week will be drawn toward the mannecout modes of
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 11: cancel culture, right, m hmm, it will be.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: Drawn to cancel culture. Oh oh, So she's basically saying, okay,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: so if you don't put the week at the center, okay,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: but that's not what a business is for. You aren't
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: given stuff because you're weak. You're expected to do stuff
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: using your strengths. No, and and the thing is that
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: the problem with this rhetoric is when women say, oh,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: we need to put weight women or weakness at the center,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: they mean they need to put it everywhere. The mean
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: it's like we need to put nuke spent nuclear fuel
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: rods in the set. No. No, we're just gonna put
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: them in everybody's pocket and their luggage. We're gonna throw
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: We're gonna hand them out at like cafeterias and schools.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: It's just gonna get everywhere. They don't we did. She
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that weakness needs to be safely contained where
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: it can be tended to without interrupting all of the
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: other functions of society. She means it should be everywhere.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Just throw those nuclear fruel rods and parades to kids,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: you just everywhere, just just everywhere. Just let them roll
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: down the streets, in the sewers, in people's lunch pails,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: like everywhere. Yeah, okay, all right.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 8: So you're looking at the same phenomenon that Helen is
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 8: looking at, and you're saying, well, there's not enough respect
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 8: for dependence and weakness don't you think that wokeness, whether
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 8: it is a sort of feminized phenomena, there.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: Is not enough respect for dependence and weakness.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let let's let her get to.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 8: Her argument, certainly in its own self conception a mode
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 8: of trying to get people to care about the week.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: I think this is where we couple that first an
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: orientation towards the weak, a preferential option towards the poor,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: with true seeking right. They do go together. The weakness
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: of a baby is pretty incontrovertible. The moral status of
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: a baby is where people start to have a philosophical fight.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: I see a lot of the kind of frenzy of
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: wokeness around people, of a sense of could it be
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: true that, in a meaningful sense, I'm complicit in systems
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: of evil? This zeal for moral concern, that's good.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is funny coming from a avatar of possibly
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: the most evil act, one of the most evil freakin acts. Like, No,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: you don't get to lecture or even conceptualize on this issue, lady,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: until you purge yourself of sins, and you purge your
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: freaking ideological position of the unbelievable level of deceit that
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: you engaged in like I can't emphasize this enough, guys.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: Feminism colonized academia submit forced it to submit to, denying
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: its own stated principles transparency, empiricism and all of the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: empirical rigor all of its stated principles. Feminism made academia
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: it's bitch and then turned it into like a like
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: a virus and sec effecting a cell, turned it into
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: a factory for its own lies, for justifying and presenting
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: or creating evidence for its own lives, for its own premises,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: which were never subject to any kind of neutral scrutiny
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: to truve if they were true or not. She is
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: sitting on the biggest ethical scandal in academia, and she's
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: beaking off about being everybody else has to think about.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: Am I part of a system of evil? Well you
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: start with you, You start with addressing that. Of course,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: she's never gonna hear me, nobody like nobody's ever going
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: to tell her. If you want to call yourself feminist,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: why don't you address that absolute violation of humanity like
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: this is this is this is This behavior by feminists
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: is in the same category as Soviet control, like a
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: Stalinis Soviet control over academia, not seek control over academic
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: ideological capture of academia, absolute violation of academia. And she
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: has the audacity to sit there and pontificate about being
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: complicit in.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 9: Systems of evil, which incidentally she bases.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: On that ideological capture of academia manufacturing evidence, and I
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: mean manufacturing because it's not actually creating evidence that you
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: that is proven. It's just manufactured evidence for an already
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: chosen premise. And then she uses all of that to
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: cast shade on everyone else. Oh are you in No,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: Absolutely nobody is complicit in a system of evil except
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: you and all of the corporate bullshit and government bullshit
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: that you are enabling. Everybody else is just trying to
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: do their fucking job and pay for their fake fucking
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: family and make sure their cat doesn't die of some
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: weird fucking disease.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 9: You're the one who's sitting there and opining on.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: The back of an absolutely ravaged academic integrity. You just
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: sitting there like she's freaking krawl on her freaking mound
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: of skulls, saying everybody else's will think about We've gotta
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: think about what you did. You complicit with systems of
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: death on her fucking mound of skulls, drinking from a skull.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: You guys, you need to realize, all of you people,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: you need to be realized you're part of an evil system.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: Glug glug glug as she drinks from her skull. Fucking
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: mug like this is infuriating. Yeah, sorry, I'm slightly infuriated
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: by this.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: It's all right, Okay, So okay, let's keep going.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: I think put things right in a situation where I'm
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: constantly entangled with at least a partial cooperation with evil.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: That's a good question. How do you put it right?
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: Is not primarily through self flagellation. It's through active doing good.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 7: What about it?
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: It's through telling women like this to go go away
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: and shut up. I can't, I can't emphasize this enough. Yeah,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: she is lying about society. Feminism has been lying about
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: society since the sixties, and in order to buttress those lies,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: they have been discriminating against men in some of the
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: most vulnerable situations homelessness, sexual assault, domestic violence, right, false accusation,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: father's losing custody. They have been discriminating against these men.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: She talks about Oh, we should protect the vulnerable. How
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: should How about we spend a moment to think about
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: the situation of those people who we never regard as vulnerable. No,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: she's not gonna do that, And these are her victims
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: as she opines about how everyone else.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 9: And she has the sacred knowledge, you see, she has
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 9: the sacred knowledge of who is moral and who is
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 9: complicit in the system of evil. And her sacred knowledge
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 9: is really really true, except it isn't.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: It's all lies. And she looks like she's really nice, right,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: she seems like friendly, and she's the perfect avatar for
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: this evil fucking and I and when I say evil,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: I got the receipts. This isn't just some vague Oh
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: you have patriarchal privilege or your ability to be on time?
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: Is is whitism? This is verifiable receipts of how feminism
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: co opted academia to push a narrative that destroys societies,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: that destroys men, that destroys women, that destroys families, and
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: why for its own benefit. Of course, that is true evil.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: That's true evil is to believe that your benefit is
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: something that is more important than anything else in society,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: and that is what she is a mouthpiece for everything
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: should be sacrificed for the altar of feminism, whatever you
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: call it, conservative feminism, liberal feminism. Everything needs to be
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: sacrificed for that.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, look, we are going to give special attention
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 8: to people who are disadvantaged, who you know, who are
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 8: sort of represent a tradition of suffering or disadvantage, who
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 8: come from disadvantaged minorities or the disadvantage sex or gender,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 8: as the case may be, right and essentially give them
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 8: a special leg up, special deference in debate. And that's
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 8: the place where Helen immediately says, this is you've lost
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 8: you've lost truth seeking and you know, maybe you've become
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 8: too feminized.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 7: But what I.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't say difference in debate. I would say, so, okay,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: she's lost.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: By the way, the guy the moderator is I don't
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: know if this is a debate per se, but they
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: definitely have disagreements. The guy in the middle is definitely
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: like on the woman on the right side, and he's
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, basically like give her like I
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: don't nudging or whatever.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: So I see that, I see that Helen Andrews is
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: lost interest a little. She's looking at the she's looking
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: at the wall stuff.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the frames, the frames are whatever, they're they're a
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: little they're a little awkward because they're not quite the same.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't Oh, yeah, you're right, I didn't even
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: notice that. She's probably noticing it. It's probably more interesting
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: than what these two POGs are doing over there justifying.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: And you know why, you know why they do this?
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: Money money, money, it's so funny. In a feminist world,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: money money.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: They couldn't do this. They have to get real jobs.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because somehow advocating for the vulnerable always means giving
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: a really really big salary to some wealthy socialite from
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: New York. But that, somehow, it's just you know, it's
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: just it's just the way it works. It's just natural law.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: I guess, okay, all right, kind ofness to what kind
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: of policies are appropram Here's where draw a big distinction,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: being two attempts to do a special justice to the
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: most disadvantage students, one of which you know, went very
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: badly and one of which is going very well. The
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 5: idea of we don't have enough students of color in
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: our algebra classes at middle.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: Kate, all right, all right, I'm calling it now. Let's
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: get the actual actual discussion of the topic, not caping
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: for feminism, because I'm pretty sure that what her presentation
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: is is that women should be in the workplace because.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: They jump ahead to a juicy bit.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: So okay, but can I just is am I characterizing
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: this correctly? Is her conclusion is that women should be
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: in the workplace because they make sure that they marginalize
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: have a voice or something.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: I think that she's saying that Helen Andrews's essay has
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: some merits, but that she is too mean to women
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: in it. I think that's what it is, like we
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: should be we should be focused on helping the disadvantage.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: And of course the assumption is women are disadvantage, because
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: that's what the New York Times guy in the middle
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: was saying, Well, women I have it worse right all
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: the time forever, And she's like, yeah, I guess they do,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: so we should maybe we should be a little bit, like,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: you know, more charitable to them. And Helen is like,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: that doesn't fit. I know, that's not right. This is
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: the problem. They're not that weak. They do cause problems,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: they do have toxicity so I'm gonna go to the bit.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: Where what I was gonna say is this. Yeah, you
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: notice how this rhetoric of weakness always seems to land
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: on either caping for white liberal women like this or
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: feminist women, or making sure that they are the primary
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: recipients of DEI and other beanies like this. This is
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: what they do. Okay, let's keep going.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I'm gonna jump ahead to let's see
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: tension around female virtues and vices. So forty nine oh two.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: It's kind of far ahead, but we've been going for
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: like two hours, and I think you got the gist
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: of the other things.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 5: So in some sense, though, and female advices are about gossiping, backbiting, irrationality, ostracism.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 5: I never got a sense of whether there were female
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: vice virtues at all from your piece, genuinely, and that's
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 5: why he's not even comprehensive with it.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Should I go back a bit more? Do you want to.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: Usership is a female vice?
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Censorship, canceling people losing the like Helen Andrews goes
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: into it in Her in Her Peace.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should read it.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: I sent it to you like a while ago.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, I didn't read.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: It probably great feminization. I send it to you like
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: a week or two weeks ago so by Helen Andrews
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: on Substack, and everyone's talking about it.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: Is the piece wasn't about. It wasn't supposed to be like,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: here's what men do well and that are good about them,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: here's what's not good about them, and here's what's good
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: about women, and here's not what's not so good about
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: That wasn't what it was about. It was saying our
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: entire workplace political and like every institution is becoming feminized,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: and there are problems with it that no one seems
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: to want to address. So I'm going to try to
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: bring them up.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: And talk and risk aversion. Are the two big problems
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: that I see women have? Yeah, and that those are
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: the two problems that are that is going to kill
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: the print the publishing industry. Sorry I've said printing, I
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: meant publishing.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: There there, those are the two problems that are going
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: to massively kill the publishing and we can I can
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: actually discuss that because I think it's relevant to the
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: issue of of virtues and vices. Just going through Coral,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: it doesn't look like there's an extensive argument oh so,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: uh it looks like Lee Libresco pushes back somewhat on
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: characterizing these behaviors as exclusively feminine, noting such issues occur
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: in both men and women and are related to Yeah, okay,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: so basically, she's this woman is saying there are there
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: are vices that women bring to the workplace that they
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: are unaccounted for, and this other woman is saying, no,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: those are just those are just human ills. There's no liney.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, couldn't these just be human problems? And
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: but uh, I mean sure, but like again, the problem
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: is not that they exist or even that people pointed out.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: The problem is the response to them is not the
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: same if men have like, uh, I think that at
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: one point they get into a thing where Helen Andrews
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: says that, you know, there might be like a like
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: a centerfold image in like a men's workspace, like in
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: the back somewhere, and no one else but the men
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: can see it. And she's like, yeah, it's a big
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: ghost or whatever. But it's not like a big deal,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: you know, And this woman is like, well that's not appropriate,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: Like that shouldn't be there, right, So, like there's a
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: different and so what she's saying is whether she knows
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: it or not, that should be canceled. And that is like,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: you know, unacceptable, but that like if men are like
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like Lindsay where she works, she's the only
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: woman in the department, and she's like a meat cutter.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: She works with a bunch of meat cutters and these
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: are all like, you know, big like hairy southern guys.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: They all curse, well, they're not that big. One guy's big.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: The rest are all little guys, but like you know,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: they're foul mouth and they say, like they make racists
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: and sexist jokes all the time, and Lindsay finds it refreshing.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: She's like, wow, this is like so much fun to
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: be around. But they know they can't do that anywhere
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: else because like it's a specifically the meat department is
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: male dominated. The other sections like produce and the deli
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: and like the wellness area and that's all women, right,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: So that's a completely different vibe, and Lindsay doesn't want
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: anything to do with it, but like there's nothing like
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: that's but that's like so that people who go to
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: work like they can like take a little bit of
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: their I don't know, home with them, and men in particular,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: they like that. They want to be They don't want
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: to go to work and be worried about what they say.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: You know. They just want to focus on their job,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: so you know, and these guys do and they just
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: have little fun while they're at it, you know.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, and yeah, that's not that's
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: and yet they're policed and that's not seen as innocuous
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: because in this this is the big thing that is
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: the big problem with women in the workplace. It's women's
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: feelings and subjectivity that become the standard that everybody else
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: has to live by.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: Is that fair? No? No, A.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: Men are too used to just abiding by it. I'm
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: glad that this woman is calling that out. I don't
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: know if she does call that out specifically. I just
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: find it hilarious that these two POGs are talking to
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: each other and she's looking up at the wall, like, Wow,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: this isn't relevant to my interests. Your entire conversation is
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: pointless and stupid.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so I think her name is Leah. She's
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: trying to get hell in to answer the question, why
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: didn't I see any female virtues in your piece? Why
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: were none of my virtues on your list. As the
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: quote from Gladiator goes, I got a.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 5: Sense of balance for the men, but not for the women.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: I saw that you made that criticism elsewhere.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 5: If it's a question, it's only a criticism depending on.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: Your If you want to know what I like about women,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: you know that's not going to ask me in.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: Like, seriously, it's a bitch, what are you talking about?
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: Alson, she's saying, with a smile on her face.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: No, look at look at the actual body line.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: This means you know what this means. It means contempt.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: It means contempt. What, Yeah, it means fucking contempt. She
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: is expressing overt contempt. This woman, it's like, and her
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: body language is extremely aggressive. Right, that is like she
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: is being a bully contempt and ironically the woman on
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 3: like Helen is still demonstrating the posture of equality. Right,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: she's looking at her square on. She doesn't have her.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 12: Jaw tilted up like she's the moral authority, she's the
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 12: one on top and that you have to kiss the ring, right,
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 12: She's not doing that.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: She's looking straight ahead. I probably part of it is autism.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: She doesn't have that kind of shoulders forward. She's just
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: sitting neutrally right. This woman is projecting a lot of
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: energy at her and she's probably used to getting people
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 3: to submit to her in other contexts. But Helen is
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: probably too autistic to pick it up. And I know
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: this makes people uncomfortable because it's an analysis of body
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: language and facial expression. But that's what she's projecting. She's
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: projecting attempted moral dominance and contempt. Yeah, okay, that would
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: be a very uncomfortable to be in.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 5: It's a question. It's only a criticism depending on your answer.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 4: I know what I like about women.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 5: You know, that's not what you can ask me.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 4: In fact, I am from me an entire essay on
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: the subject what I like about what my rates are?
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 7: Very reason What do you like about women? Helen?
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: Well, just to finish that particular thought before I answer
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: that question, Uh, it's it's a little bit feminine, honestly,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: to focus on my likes and dislikes I don't like
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 4: about myself world.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: You see. That was good though, she says, you know
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: what you're doing right now is pretty feminine.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: God damn, that's really expressing some disgust towards Keller.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 6: Do you know what.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was a good. That was a good,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: like it was a counter Yeah. Before I answer that question.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: Derek Workman, look at the chin. It's up. That's not
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: bad posture. She is moving forward. She's not slouched. That
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: would be a completely different kind of posture. There's this
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: is slouching right, leaning forward, shoulders curled, chin up, very
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: different kind of posture. No, that's that's discussed.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 10: Not confusion.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: I know I'm talking to a bunch of autists you
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: probably can't identify for now I'm talking about I'm not
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: saying that. No, that looks like Nope, it looks like disgusted.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: I mean to be slightly confusion, because they're fairly similar
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: emotions sometimes, or they look similar sometimes. But to me,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: that looks like disgusted. And you know, I mean, you
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: take it for what it is. But I do draw
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: people's expressions in a storytelling context. So can let's let's continue.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: I am telling you that when I look at the world,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: I do not see any institutions that are currently suffering
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 4: from an excess or an insufficient feminization.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: Helen, I don't care about your likes and dislikes, because
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 5: that's not what I found compelling about your poo.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, okay, then why were you kept asking her?
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Let's go back for a second. What were you asking her?
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yes, are like, what are some virtues femine virtues?
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 4: I am telling you that when I look at the world,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: You got to go back further. I'm pretty sure that
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: she said, what do you like about? Okay, just a second,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: And that's why I'm asking yo dead lead on discension
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: towards women in some sense though. The one thing I
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: really couldn't get purchased on from your essay is I
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: got a very clear sense of masculine vice and masculine virtue.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: That masculine virtue about risk taking, about you know, embracing chances,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: brotherhood fighting, making up a comfort with turbulence, right, and
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: master advices are about vulgarity, you know, uh, condescension towards
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: women in some sense though, and feminal advices are about gossiping, backbiting, irrationality, ostracism.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: I never got a sense of whether there were female
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: vice virtues at all from your piece, genuinely, and that's
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 3: why I'm asking I got a sense of balance for
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: the men, but not for the women.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 4: I saw that you made that criticism elsewhere. If it's
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: a question, it's only a criticism depending on your answer.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 4: If you want to know what I like about women,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 4: you know that's not like going to ask me from
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: an entire essay on the subject, what I like about
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: what fe rates are?
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 7: Very reason what do you like about women? Helen?
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: So the guys the one that says what do you
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: like about women?
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: Well, but it's after she says what I like about women?
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: I think she means what I recognize is positive about women? Yeah,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: and I like And honestly, the like and dislike argument
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: is is feminine. So she wanted her to identify virtues,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: and I would say that why do you need to
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: be flattered constantly?
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: Like? For me, I think that she's trying to be like.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: It sounds to me like you can't find any virtues
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: in women in your peace like her piece should have
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: had balance in it, but Helen's piece, the objective was
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: not balanced. The objective was to identify a problem with
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: the feminization of workplaces as well as the political sphere,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: and most importantly, when she talks about in her piece
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: the political and legal space, because she's saying that rule
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: of law and due process and all these things that
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: we need like actual objective and dare I say, masculine
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: approach to are being feminized and they're being made subjective
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: in postmodern and that's a problem. And so like, it
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't the appropriate context to be like, here are all
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: the good things that women do? Like that wasn't what
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: the piece was about. That would be like me saying
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to write an essay about grilled cheese sandwiches,
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: and then you're like, you didn't say anything about tomato
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: soup because that goes really well with the grilled cheese.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: But I didn't hear it once in your in your entire.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: Piece about making her emotions dictate what can be written
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: about basically, which is as Helen says, it's very feminine. Okay,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: let's let's conclude this. You know it's.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just to finish that particular thought before I
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 4: answer that question, Uh, it's it's a little bit feminine, honestly,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: to focus on my likes and dislikes.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking, don't And she's telling this guy that
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I got a discussed expression. That's that's
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: probably why, because she's telling him, you're being feminine.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: So it's also feminine to focus on flattery when we're
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: talking brass tacks here. Yeah, learn to live without being
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: flattered lady. Here's the thing. What worth is it to
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: say that women have all these benefits?
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: Are women are all good in all of these ways?
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: Who cares?
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: Yes? I guess like they think that if a person
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: does a bunch of like flattery before they start they
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: make their land acknowledgments, then maybe their criticisms will be
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: worth it, like they're worth listening to and make them more.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: They won't listen to them, to them anyway, They just
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: want the land acknowledgement. But here's the thing, Like, when
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: you are told drawbacks or vices that women have, you
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: can endeavor as an individual to overcome them. Right. That
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: means that it frames your more moral agency as an individual. Okay,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: isn't that more important than being told that you have
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: these these these things just by virtue of existing? Like
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know I say that men have virtues,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: but they never get told that ever. Right, And in
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of cases, what happens in society will insist
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: that men don't have those virtues that it relies on
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: in order to make men give up those virtues for nothing.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm calling that kind of thing out. But here
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: it's like, why wouldn't you prefer the vices? Why wouldn't
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: you prefer the discussion about the vices, because that puts
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: the emphasis back on you and your individual choices. I
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: don't give a crap about all of the beanies, like
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: the goodie bag that apparently I get as a woman.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: And it's not not like privilege. It's just all the
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: cool all of the things that I make the world better,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: even though I do nothing to earn it like this,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: this is the big problem, was one of them. I mean,
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: I've had a lot of big problems. Why are women
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: so obsessed with flattery when that flatterly is meaningless. Like
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: if somebody says, oh, women are beautiful, that's meaningless. Right
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: if she says, oh, all women are compassionate, it's also meaningless,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: because often it becomes an excuse not to be Okay,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: let's I'm almost done here. Yes, I'll be quiet, all right.
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  Speaker 4: And I am telling you that when I look at
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: the world, I do not see any institutions that are
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: currently suffering from an UH excess or an insufficient feminization.
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  Speaker 5: Helen, I don't care about your likes and dislikes because
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: that's not what I found compelling about your portrait of risk,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 5: which we both value as a genuine virtue, not a
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 5: matter of preference, like chocolate or vanillas. So I think
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 5: there are objective virtues for women in the same way
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 5: you think they're objective primatology based vices for women.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 7: Why is of the essay?
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 8: I felt like I was actually clear on what Helen
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 8: thought female virtues were. I was less sure how those
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 8: virtues manifest themselves.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually stood up for her. They don't really like
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: that's the honest to god truth.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, like, well, I don't know that. I don't
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: know that her essay specifically talks about that, but it's
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: irrelevant to fons.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 8: So it seemed to me that Helen, this is the
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 8: point of agreement between the two of you, that women,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 8: for biological reasons, are oriented towards forms of care and
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 8: love and sort of communitarian spirit that men are maybe
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 8: not as good at. I was interested in, well, what
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 8: do those female virtues bring to a newspaper or a corporation,
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 8: right or are they virtues that you know? And again,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 8: this would be the trad right, A trad view would be, yeah,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 8: women had virtues in their best exercise in the home.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 4: To say a word to Leah, First, you've written several books,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure you've read reviews of those books. Hopefully
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: as fellow authors, we can agree that it is unfair
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 4: when book reviewers criticize you for not writing the book
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: they would have written. So it's possible that I didn't
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 4: write the essay you would have written. I just wanted
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 4: to know that information that was curious to you.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: But that's really fucking fair. And the thing is that
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: there was some passive aggressive ray from this woman too
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: when she said I don't care about your likes and dislikes.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. She was just giving
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: it back to her. It's fine, just giving it.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: Back to her. We should do like we should do.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: You remember when in maintaining frame, we used to judge
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: people's performance based on like threat narrativing. Remember that we
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: give people like scores. That's that. Uh yeah, well, she's
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: like Lee is framing Helen as being a threat to
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: women this way because she doesn't like women, and that
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: makes her a threat to women. Right, she's not willing
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: to flatter women. That makes her a threat to women.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: And I guess Lee is trying to undermine that threat
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: narrative by simply saying, you are trying to force me
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: to write what you want. So she's emphasizing Lee's agency
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: and also her bad intent, or at least her her
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: desire for dominance. So you're right, this is a cat fight,
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: and it's interesting who will win in the end, who
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: will reign Kattie Supreme?
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is almost over, but let's go.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 5: I'm asking you as a thinker. As a thinker, I
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 5: respect about what virtues you see in women.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: Oh now she's trying to manipulate through flattery. Yes, that
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: was an interesting Let's see if let's see if Helen. Yeah,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: see if Helen gets sucked in.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 4: To ross because I think the answer he just gave
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: about care was pretty close to the mark.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 8: Well, then let me let me take the moderator's prerogative
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 8: and say, again, repeat my question how because and I
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 8: will elaborate it on it further and then you can
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 8: answer it. Seems to me we can take for granted
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 8: that many many workplaces in the future will be mixed
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 8: between men and women. That this is sort of a
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 8: fundamental feature of that's all very.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: That's that's a bold claim many workplaces in the future.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: That's optimistic. Mm hmmm, considering what's happening in AI and
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 3: everything else. Like, that's really optimistic. You know, if you
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: were to say something like the workplace like the pre
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: the publishing industry, yeah, that that might not exist in
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: the future, and hopefully the publishing industry implodes and dies
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: before it takes an entire medium with it. So when
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: you're saying that, oh, yeah, well you know there's going
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: to be mixed workplaces in the future, there might be
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: a very hard correction to that. Yeah, and there certainly
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: will be if we can't hold women too account and
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: we have to constantly flatter them. Okay, let's keep.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 8: Going, all right, If you don't want those workplaces and
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 8: those institutions dominated by female vices, what is the positive
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 8: su interaction between male virtues and female virtues that you
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 8: would like to see at you know, at the Supreme
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 8: Court or the New York Times or anywhere else.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 4: I think that if you had asked me ten years
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 4: ago to guess what the effects of the feminization of
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 4: the legal field would be I probably would have given
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: the same answer that a feminist would have given, the
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 4: same answer you can find in Daliolithwick's book about the
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 4: feminization of the law, that it's going to be more
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 4: accommodating of great areas, it's going to be less doctrinaire,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 4: less hewing to the letter on the page, and more
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: looking at more attentive to context. And I think if
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 4: you had asked for a second, yeah.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: I fucking love this word context. M they love like
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: feminist science loves this word context like feminists. There will
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: be a Okay, so I have been having this discussion
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: with with Grock, which bear with me. It's good for
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: data analysis, and feminism will there will be a particular
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: type of projection based on feminist hypothesis, and when you
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: test that projection rate relative to what actually happens, it
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: will of course fail. And in fact many cases, feminist
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 3: theory or feminist hypothesis predicts the exact opposite of reality.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: But when it fails, feminists will say contextual factor, make
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: it fit. I just wanted to say, get that out, Okay.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 4: It was like, you know what, that's maybe not necessarily
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 4: such a terrible thing. Maybe we should be more oriented
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 4: towards rehabilitation rather than punishment. Maybe the feminization of the
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 4: law is not entirely without benefits. Uh, And I think
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 4: it's possible that that is accurate, that that is a
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: reflection of how the feminization of law has played out
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: in practice. The reason why I am turning on a
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 4: big red siren when it comes to the feminization of
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: the law is that all of those things that sounded
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: so nice in theory or in the abstract in practice
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 4: look like the Title nine kangaroo courts for sexual assault
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: on college canvasses. If that is what the feminization of
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 4: the law looks like in practice, I think that's horrible.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 4: And if an increasingly feminized legal profession is going to
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 4: take the problems of those Title nine courts and bring
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 4: them into grown up law, I think that is that
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 4: is an emergency level danger that we all need to
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 4: be really really were worried about.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's actually pretty devastating.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, like in terms of this this
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: conversation that was like an altr eyes glowed and then
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: oh yeah.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's see what the let's see what the POGs
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: say okay, call them pos is that offense.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 8: The positive side here is that you could imagine a
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 8: dynamic interaction between a doctrinaire male sensibility and a female
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 8: sensibility attuned to nuance and gray area of Yin and
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 8: yang model.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: He's trying to do this complimentary and thing. She literally,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: Helen said, literally, if you asked me this question ten
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: years ago, I would have agreed. But now that I
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: see where we are, No, absolutely not. This is an
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: emergency that we have to like address. And he's like,
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: so you're saying there is room for so so you're
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: saying there's a chance. Quality, So he's like.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: Misinterpreting, but yeah, women are nuking the legal system, so
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 3: you're saying there's still possibility.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a chance.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 8: Okay, So anyway, interacted successfully to correct the weaknesses of
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 8: a purely doctrinaire vision of the law without sliding all
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 8: the way into a motive driven kangaroo. I'm looking for
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 8: the positive dynamic because just as liberals and conservatives are
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 8: stuck with each other in America, so two are men
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 8: and women, right, So that's what we're looking for.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you can see imagine the same
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: kind of thing to jump to another institution in academia, right,
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: Academia is extremely feminized today, and it's not a coincidence
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 4: that college campuses are capitals of wolkness. Uh So, I
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 4: think probably it's unlikely that college faculty are going to
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 4: be defeminized anytime soon. But I think we can achieve
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 4: helpful compromise in the inian yang dynamic that you described
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: by reinstaduting certain guardrails to guard against female vice's strong
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 4: statements of academic freedom.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: That's so, this is her. So he's like, so we
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: could imagine a time where in the legal profession we
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: could integrate men and women together and get a little
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: bit of a Yin yang thing. So he's bringing he's
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: trying to, like, essentially stop Helen Andrews from saying women
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: should not be involved in the courts if it's going
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: to result in Title nine kangaroo courts on college campuses,
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: which I'm glad she brought up. Yeah, and then her
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: counter of that is, oh, yeah, I guess we could
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: do that, But then we also want to do this
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: in academia. It's like, it's full of women, so why
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: don't we put some men in there? Too, and why
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: don't we tempt down on that? So like she wins
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: no matter what. This is like a check checkmate move,
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: Anyway, although I honestly the female battling is more fun.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 3: Like when she talks to the man, it's it's all
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 3: logic and reason to a degree, I mean, because he's
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 3: still a man, right yeah. But then when she's talking
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: to the woman, there's all this kind of like like
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: low key suits like psychic battling going on, you know,
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: not low key. It was just like there's a lot
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: more there's a lot more conflict. Shall we say? All right,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: let's go all right.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 4: We can start there if we're if we're thinking of
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: concrete steps we can take tomorrow to make sure that
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: men and women on university faculty are able to work
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 4: together more productively.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 5: I still haven't heard a full account of female virtue.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 5: I heard you voice it.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 3: Uh, okay, why are you bringing that up again? She
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: already told you she's not doing it. She needs flattery,
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 3: she's not gonna be your bitch.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Well let's see.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 5: I'll be honest, I don't think in terms of primarily
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 5: feminine masculine virtues as a kind of fractional complementarity. Yes,
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 5: you called to faith, hope, and charity. They're all called
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 5: to fortitude. The particular kind of fortitude. Asked if a
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 5: man or a woman may change based on their state
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 5: in life. But I would have trouble raising my two
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 5: daughters and my son to know how to be good
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 5: versus how to reduce their harm, working solely from this
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 5: definition of what it means to be a man or
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 5: a woman.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 7: One of the larger stories of.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: What this is, this definition which she blames on her. Okay,
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: this how to be good and not to be well. Generally,
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: being good is avoiding being pad doing bad like or
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: or to embrace good like. And you need to know
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: bad in order to know what is good like it
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's really weird, because she's essentially well. In
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 3: order to be able to teach your children how to
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: be good, you have to teach them what is bad,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: and from that you can infer what is good. So
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: I don't even know why she would say that, except
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: to again cast shade mm hmm.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 8: Okay, all right, our world is we've referenced in a
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 8: couple of diamonds, but we're in a society where men
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 8: and women are not interacting successfully. I think, uh oh,
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 8: you likely polarized at any point in modern history. Possibly
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 8: related to that is the declining marriage and birth rates
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 8: all across the development.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: Possibly related to that far, but.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 8: There is some failure for the sexist to come together.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: Like this is how you know we're winning because the
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: people who are the least infested in talking about this
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: are talking about this like they like, they don't there's
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: nothing else they can do. We'll have to We're really
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: dance around it, like, well, you know, I guess things
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: are really bad right now between men and women, and
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: like maybe there's some others downstream related you know, it's
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 1: speculative at this point, but like the fact that nobody's
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: having kids, are getting married, and everyone's lonely as fuck,
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: that might be related to it. I don't know. I
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: want to blame the GDP and the economy personally, you know,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: that's what I think it is. But like some people
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: think that men and women come together has something to
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 1: do with it. I don't know. So that's how you know,
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: Like it's getting to the point where it's aggressive. Outlets
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: like The New York Times can't ignore it. Yeah, at
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: least say, well, give it lip service, you know.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, although I think it's I think it's not us,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: it's the chasm, it's the it's the the pain that's
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: doing it. Yeah, yeah, cause I think and what's really
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: going to be interesting is when the elites finally put
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: two and two together there and realize they're not gonna
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: be ruling over much if if there's no no healthy society. Mm, yeah,
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 3: you're you're gonna be top dog. You're gonna be top
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: dog of a of a radioactive mud pit, guys, you know,
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: like a smoking crater where once a prosperous civilization that
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: could actually build you gold toilets once stood. Congratulations, you're
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 3: gonna be the only man with the goat and and
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 3: two acres of mud to to They're billionaires, so yeah,
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 3: I think that that'll be when it probably really turns.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: But yes, they're facing the pain and then they're they're
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 3: searching for solutions and explanations. And she's got a fairly
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: good one, you know, feminine vices. She needs to take
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 3: a step back and see where those vices started and
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: started to penetrate every thing.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 8: Okay, all right, so two two questions that are maybe
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 8: nested together in each of your visions of sort of
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 8: workplaces and cultures transformed? Do you think that the modern
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 8: workplace can help men and women interact more successfully?
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: Right? Or well? This is it sped up? I'm sorry,
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: this guy's really working hard to like not piss these
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: women off. I guess I don't know like.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 3: What he cares about. I don't think he cares about Helen.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: And Lee is trying really hard. Like she's definitely suppressing something,
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: probably the desire to go and punch Helen or scratch
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 3: her face or something.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but look at the look at the blinking Yeah,
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 3: She doesn't even want to look at Helen directly.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 8: Is there a way in which jen differences require maybe
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 8: a little bit more separation in some sphere like which
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 8: you can't.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: Even maintain anything?
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: Can eye content bring.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 8: Out the best way for men and women to work
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 8: together at work? Or just called you distinctively male and
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 8: female workplaces and then men and women sort of rejoin
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 8: in the romantic or domestic sphere.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think she just told you, did she not
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 3: just say you need to have guardrails? You need to
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 3: specifically call out the bullshit that women bring, which is
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: sense censorship, which is excessive myopia. They think that their
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: social circle is the entirety of the audience first fiction
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: in the US and Canada. Okay, sorry, that the the myopia,
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 3: the riskd version, okay, the approaching workplace as someplace where
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 3: it makes you feel good rather than you do a
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 3: job people feel is critical to get done, so they
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 3: pay you for it, right, that kind of stuff. And
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: she said, call it out, you know, put the guardrails
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  Speaker 3: back on. You don't behave like that in a workplace.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, well, what do you really do? What
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  Speaker 3: do he really I'm guessing, Okay, this is a little
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 3: bit of inference, all right, that I could be completely wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I'm guessing what he wants is how do you kiss
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  Speaker 3: women's asses? Like? How does making the situation better for
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 3: men and women? How do we do it by kissing
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  Speaker 3: women's asses?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 3: What what? What sequence of kisses unlocks the better workplace
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  Speaker 3: for men and women? You know, you got you got
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 3: the ass right there? Where where do you plant the kisses?
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  Speaker 3: That's what he's probably. How did what buttons?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's play some more.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really have an answer to that one. I
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  Speaker 4: think it is probably likely, just as a matter of prediction,
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 4: that you will get more workplaces that are predominantly made
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 4: or predominantly female in the future iron vision, where there's
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 4: no longer thumbs on the scale. Whether that will be
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 4: good for men and women interaction interacting, I don't really know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I have an opinion.
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  Speaker 5: I have opinions. I don't think the workforce is the
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  Speaker 5: main way I see men and women coming apart, And
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  Speaker 5: it's not, even with some movements in Helen or my directions,
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  Speaker 5: the main place I see them coming together. I want
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 5: to make a pitch, especially if we've talked a lot
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  Speaker 5: about women good bad, medium, I want to make a
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  Speaker 5: pitch what's good about men here in particular?
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  Speaker 3: And we're okay, interesting, it's an interesting pivot, all right,
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  Speaker 3: I'll give her that. I wonder if she's wondered, if
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: she's thinking that the fundamental substrate of the threat narrative
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  Speaker 3: has has shifted. Oh, maybe this is another this is
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  Speaker 3: another attempt to get flattery, Like, yeah, okay, if I
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: tell what's good about men, then maybe I'll emotionally extort
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: excore some points and extort flattery. Does that make sense?
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 3: Like okay, well, obviously, obviously if I say that, then
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: she will be compelled to match it. Maybe I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you mean. I said something nice
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  Speaker 1: about men. Now it's your turn women. Yeah, exactly, Okay, Okay,
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: let's see.
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  Speaker 5: Some men is particularly neglected, and how that could help
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 5: men women come back together. I think part of the
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 5: appeal of the warrior band or of a marriage is
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 5: either a group or pair of people taking on something
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  Speaker 5: too large for either to sustain by themselves, and developing
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  Speaker 5: trust because they bear a responsibility. They know their own
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 5: strength cannot serve. As a married woman, I've loved my
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 5: husband the whole time, but being pregnant meant depending on
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 5: him in a way that was different than any other
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 5: part of our marriage. And I think the later marriages
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  Speaker 5: and the rarer it is, the less often men who
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 5: are on average stronger kind of reason their strength is required.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the more that both in a community,
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 5: you know, starting with young men, there's a real sense
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 5: of because you are larger and stronger, like we need
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  Speaker 5: something from you to make this whole community run, and
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 5: that will continue through your marriage. Either, that's a virtue
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 5: women to come together. How on earth could we have
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 5: three kids, except that we trust each other and ebb inflow,
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 5: in strength, and can do more than we can by ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: How is this virtue of men? Like that? Literally is
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 3: a gender neutral virtue? Skits slanting towards women, because what
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 3: she said is that our relationship requires trust in another's abilities.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 3: And she says, as a woman, that's asked of me
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 3: more than it is of a man. Did you know that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Where was the virtue for men?
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah? There wasn't really anything, was there?
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 3: No, it was just men serve women and women trust
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: them in that service.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: I guess the fact that women can trust them is
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 1: a compliment in her eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see anything really related to men being
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 3: I'd throw it to the comments. Do you see that?
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the implication that women should trust
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 3: men is nice, But that's a women's virtue. That is
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 3: basically saying, women, you're called upon to do this, and
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 3: if you do it, you're virtuous. I guess maybe the
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: implication is that men are trustworthy. Therefore that's a virtue.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 3: But is she saying that men are uniquely trustworthy relative
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 3: to women? That's not really clear out that. Okay, she
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: tried but I'm I don't uh am I being uncharitable
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 3: men men go in the comments, I feel like this
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 3: is this was over sold as men's virtues and also
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 3: again this is irrelevant to the topic.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, anyway, that's the end of the video. So
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: this is the video that the previous video of the
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: that was like the medium blog was responding to.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: That.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: The obviously the medium blog didn't address anything that was
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 1: brought up the full video. I put a link in
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: the description pretty sure, and I do recommend it if
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, but like, just look up any
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: Helen Andrews thing on the Great Feminization. She's written on
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff too, but look look it
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: up and see I think that I like what she's doing.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: I think that this is good and I'm glad that
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: she's doing it. And she even said in part she's
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: only doing it because she like like other like she
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: knows many male colleagues that have tried to address this
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't do it because they're men. So she's like, well,
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a woman, so I'm going to like use that
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: to get my message out there. So basically she's a
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: honeypatcher she's such.
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 3: Like prime gray autism too.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she looks like her boyfriend or husband if she
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 1: has one, looks just like her, but a male version
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 1: like a bow tie and a pocket protector.
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm It's a little bit of a head
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: scratch or how they reproduce, but you know it works. Yeah,
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 3: does that mean it's science. It's science. They've reproduced through science.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: Science science.
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  Speaker 3: crystal balling. Ship that did that did not come? Yeah, okay, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Was like you know, tea leaves.
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  Speaker 3: Tea leaves, okay, our.
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 1: Tea leaves or Tarot cards or.
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  Speaker 3: Something, Tarot cards, Tarot.
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  Speaker 1: Bones, the bones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, rattling okay, with.
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  Speaker 1: All the little the little incense sticks and you shake
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  Speaker 1: them or like those sticks and one of them flies out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a Chinese way of predicting.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, all of the predictions, we have all.
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  Speaker 1: Of the tools of uh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Prognostications keep prognosticating, all right, handing it back to you, Brian.
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