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Lonely? Congrats! You’re the boogeyman now! | HBR Talk 387 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three eighty seven. Lonely Congrats,
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  Speaker 1: you're the Boogeyman. Now I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here
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  Speaker 1: with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of perceptivity
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  Speaker 1: Mike Stevenson. And we have our friend Richard here today.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't brought him in before, but tonight we're going
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  Speaker 1: to discuss a couple of articles about in cells, and
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  Speaker 1: Richard has been involved in a couple of documentaries about
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  Speaker 1: in cells and has been involved with the community for
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  Speaker 1: quite some time. He spoke not on stage, but answered
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  Speaker 1: a question at ICM I twenty nineteen, and I think
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  Speaker 1: just about everybody in the room in tears.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. I made the penal choir.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's when you, you know, don't understand someone's situation
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  Speaker 1: and then they give you the lowdown on what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes that's what ends up happening because you get information
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  Speaker 1: you didn't consider. But yeah, and I've got shadow Wolf
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  Speaker 1: in the comments going. I saw the title and chuckled.
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  Speaker 1: So what's new. Yeah, it's just been of late. I've
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  Speaker 1: been hearing in cell in sell in sell in the
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  Speaker 1: media and It's gotten to the point where anytime I
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  Speaker 1: search for anything, when I'm looking for topics and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, I have to sort through media attacks on
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  Speaker 1: in cells as a population to get to a topic
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  Speaker 1: that isn't primarily about in cells. So I figure, you
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  Speaker 1: know what it's about. Time to talk to an in
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  Speaker 1: cell and have like a topic.
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  Speaker 3: I should say I was an in cell for three years,
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  Speaker 3: but only because various governments wouldn't let us be together
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  Speaker 3: for three years. And I guess Lauren is just as
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  Speaker 3: much as an insul as me because he suffered the
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  Speaker 3: same fate for three years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see, I have not really been in exactly
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  Speaker 1: that situation. I have to say. All my celibacy has
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  Speaker 1: been voluntary, voluntary, totally voluntary, except for a short time
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  Speaker 1: living eighty miles away from my husband, and even then
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't really celibacy.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into the actual topic and why
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  Speaker 1: lonely men and only lonely men are the boogeyman, let's
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  Speaker 1: at the top of the page. Richard Bierre asks what
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  Speaker 1: about during playoff season? My husband is actually less into
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  Speaker 1: sports than I am, which is odd but not unheard of,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't like necessarily watch them on TV. That
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't really like to watch them at all, So
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  Speaker 1: there you go. I like to watch them through the
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  Speaker 1: lens of a camera on the sidelines. That's that's where
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  Speaker 1: I like to be. But let's let's get into this.
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  Speaker 1: So a while back, Richard sent me an article about
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  Speaker 1: a documentary that he was interviewed for and then the
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  Speaker 1: guy didn't use his interview and I was looking for that,
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  Speaker 1: and then he sent me these two articles, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as thinking we would go over these today, and these
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  Speaker 1: are I'm just gonna scroll here so you can see.
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  Speaker 1: These are short. If I turned something like this in
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  Speaker 1: in high school as an essay, I would have gotten
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  Speaker 1: an F. But apparently it counts as an article in
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  Speaker 1: the Guardian if you put big enough pictures in between.
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  Speaker 3: In your day kind of you needed to present, you know,
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  Speaker 3: sources and evidence rather than in cells bad kill all
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  Speaker 3: the in cells that that would get you an a
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  Speaker 3: star in school nowadays? Do you say?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 1: And also your essay had to say something and there
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  Speaker 1: had to be some some sort of rationale, right uh,
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  Speaker 1: But this one's similarly short, it's not quite as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is quite as short as the other one, I
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  Speaker 1: mistook the ad for more article, So yeah, just a
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  Speaker 1: few paragraphs each one.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 1: They're not new articles, but there are articles that once
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  Speaker 1: I started like skimming them. Yeah, we have to look
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  Speaker 1: at these. And the first thing that struck me is
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  Speaker 1: I always wonder with Guardian writers if it's a pseudonym
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  Speaker 1: or if it's actually the person's last name. But then
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  Speaker 1: I thought about it, if this, if this individual is,
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  Speaker 1: is actually like Islamic. That's that's an interesting little side point.
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  Speaker 1: Because the men who get exploited as warriors, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as fighters both in legitimate battles against terrorism and in
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  Speaker 1: terrorist organizations. The men who get talked into becoming suicide
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  Speaker 1: bombers in beautiful gardens with with lots of drugs and
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  Speaker 1: stuff so that they're not thinking straight when they agree
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  Speaker 1: to do this are usually men who don't have any
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  Speaker 1: other prospects. They're not the guys that are going to
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  Speaker 1: get married and have kids and are gonna attend university
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  Speaker 1: and become a doctor or some other highly useful profession.
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  Speaker 1: They are usually the guys that have a rough time
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  Speaker 1: making ends meet. Usually the guys that have a rough
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  Speaker 1: time finding a partner, maybe don't find a partner in
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  Speaker 1: cells are the ones that get exploited by governments and organizations,
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  Speaker 1: terrorist organizations all over the world as cannon fodder. It's
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  Speaker 1: okay to waste this guy, right, and that's their attitude
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  Speaker 1: toward him. So it's it's funny to see the subject
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  Speaker 1: addressed and in that manner by an individual that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times when people in the US will read
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  Speaker 1: an article written by someone from the UK or someone
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  Speaker 1: in the UK, I should say, with a last name
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  Speaker 1: like that, we wonder how long that individual has been
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  Speaker 1: there based on situation in the UK.
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  Speaker 3: Akba without the age just means great and so means god.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah great. It's like being It's like if your last
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  Speaker 3: name is good, which I guess is topical.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And and actually there are two spellings for
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  Speaker 1: that too, there's good with any at the end and
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  Speaker 1: good without. But uh yeah, unlike we had we had
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  Speaker 1: a last name uh. In all my track team was
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  Speaker 1: spelled d I c K E and uh. People used
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  Speaker 1: to not know how to pronounce it when they would
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  Speaker 1: do the announcements on the on the different events and stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I could see that. And and he was in field events,
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  Speaker 1: and in field events you had being up meaning, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know you you were you were next. Oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: Dick is up on deck. You were right after the
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  Speaker 1: next person. And then if you were after the first
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  Speaker 1: was right after.
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  Speaker 2: If you're the next.
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  Speaker 1: Person, you were in the hole. So my my track coach.
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  Speaker 1: You know, every time they mispronounced it over the loud speakers,
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  Speaker 1: it would they'd start out so and so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: up so and so on on deck, and then then
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't say anything, and he would know and he'd
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  Speaker 1: be running up the stands going, it's Dicky.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what? Say?
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  Speaker 1: Dick in the hole?
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  Speaker 4: I got my dick on dick pick up.
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  Speaker 1: Dick in Ohio vernacular can mean make a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: But never never put your dick in a hole. Never
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  Speaker 3: put your dick in anything that resembles a hole. It'll
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  Speaker 3: it'll never come back. There we go not in a
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  Speaker 3: large box. The larger the box and the larger the whole,
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  Speaker 3: also the greater it's gravity.
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  Speaker 1: Paradoxically, do not do not, under any circumstances, attempt the
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  Speaker 1: slit experiment with your dick. You never know what kinds
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  Speaker 1: of strange physics can happen after that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, in the factum cleaner.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that that that really sucks. That's a bad experience.
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  Speaker 2: That sucks.
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  Speaker 1: So the article and uh, and again this is this
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  Speaker 1: is eight months old, but this is about a a play.
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  Speaker 1: And this this woman is I guess reviewing this play.
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  Speaker 1: The second article is also about the same play. I think.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, this is about another it's about documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Another the documentary another another bit of fiction. Uh, but
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  Speaker 1: they didn't call it fiction when they did it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So three men are gathered excuse me, in an online
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  Speaker 1: forum to speak of women as bitches and Becky's it's
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  Speaker 1: like the first sentence, Three men are gathered in an
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  Speaker 1: online forum to speak of women as bitches and Becky's
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  Speaker 1: I'll say it's that's funny. Did they think in cells
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  Speaker 1: invented using Becky as a slur?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard about thing, but it's like a different thing.
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  Speaker 2: They not, they know. So Stacey's like on top tier
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  Speaker 2: is lower tair?
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  Speaker 3: What's lower tare from a Chad? Is that such a thing?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's that Chad, Taiwan Miguel.
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  Speaker 1: There's just different races.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just it's just just chats of different races.
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  Speaker 1: Women have tears of success men are past fail. That's
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  Speaker 1: about right, that's about right, But they really think And
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  Speaker 1: cells invented using Becky as.
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  Speaker 2: A slur, and and far or maybe Foyd but and
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  Speaker 2: toilet cool. It's called women toilets now as well, So.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so now full circle. International Men's Day happens
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  Speaker 1: on World Toilet Day, so it's World Women's Day. They've
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  Speaker 1: never heard the song though, they've never heard Oh my god, Becky,
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  Speaker 1: would you look at her?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, even seamless herd of that soul?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I'm sorry, but that's not that's not an
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  Speaker 1: invent in Cells picked it up clearly. But yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: International Men'sday is now world that's women can't leave anything alone.
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  Speaker 1: These are in cells. Of course, this is a woman
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  Speaker 1: writing about in cells too, So there you go. Who
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  Speaker 1: boast a coded vocabulary of hate and valorized male celibacy,
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  Speaker 1: a coded vocabulary of hate, you know, like toxic masculinity, hatriarchy,
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  Speaker 1: male violence, man splaining, man spreading masculinity, but.
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  Speaker 2: As well, yeah, man keeping yep.
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  Speaker 1: And and then of course the the women who want
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  Speaker 1: to date high value men but call all men's scrouts,
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  Speaker 1: which and definitely.
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  Speaker 2: They they call men mooits as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the the language is pretty close between the two,
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  Speaker 1: although I think feminists kind of beat in Cells in
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  Speaker 1: terms of hateful terminology, because patriarchy is just their word
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  Speaker 1: for blaming all things that they're upset about in the
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  Speaker 1: world on the idea of men being in positions of
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  Speaker 1: responsibility that women won't do.
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  Speaker 2: But they still get laden, they still get they still
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  Speaker 2: be in a relationship though, so while they're complaining.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And and now these are fictional characters,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, So they came up with these fictional characters,
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  Speaker 1: that is until the fourth man among them has sex.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently that's a supposed to be a center or something.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. The opening scene is the morning after and
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  Speaker 1: the woman he spent the night with stans hovering behind
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  Speaker 1: his laptop. So their names are Cukboy, Ghost and Crusher
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  Speaker 1: h a cookboy and his fellow in cells Ghost Oh no, ghost,
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  Speaker 1: Crusher and uh Einstein oh geez are volubly and virulently Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what.
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  Speaker 3: The ghost face Killer wasn't there?
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  Speaker 2: Ghost Face Killer inspected that were came wake on the
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  Speaker 2: chef and method man.
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  Speaker 1: There was like, we can't call these guys the Wu
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  Speaker 1: Tang clan. We can only call them the no no
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  Speaker 1: Poon Tang clan.
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  Speaker 3: Very good. See this is why Hannah gets the big bucks.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, did I just name five of the rutank
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  Speaker 2: Cli instead of ae mine?
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  Speaker 3: If anyone can name or nine, you get a trophy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, well, I come from New York from I'm
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  Speaker 4: from New York and I can't name all none of
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  Speaker 4: these motherfuckers, Candy, but I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: What was reread? Been apart the group?
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  Speaker 4: Was he just like a no no, he came after,
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  Speaker 4: he came afterwards, but he was never part of the
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  Speaker 4: wood Tine clean.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't even come out of uh uh.
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  Speaker 4: Showling who but.
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  Speaker 2: He's what's the part of the I don't know who
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  Speaker 2: that is? So it was like it was like it
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  Speaker 2: was like red Man. He was just like an associate.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm not sure, not sure.
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  Speaker 3: I want some love for all daty bastards anyone r I.
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  Speaker 1: P that is, But yeah, I haven't heard that name
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  Speaker 1: in a while. Eventually he's actually going to be old
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  Speaker 1: Uh he's dead. No, that's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't didn't he.
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  Speaker 2: Out?
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  Speaker 1: That's all right?
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  Speaker 3: His son he named his son Olderry bustard and he'll
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  Speaker 3: he's a legend forever for that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, So what happens when I get big.
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  Speaker 2: Od be pulled up in the golfer office for in
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  Speaker 2: a stretch limo to pick up his chip.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's.
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  Speaker 2: That's great true story.
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  Speaker 1: So huh that did happen? And that did happen? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this goes on. Feminists have destroyed male and female courtship,
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  Speaker 1: says one. But gradually, of course they have to like
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  Speaker 1: have this stilted, stereotypical Uh, you just typed that feminists
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  Speaker 1: have destroyed male and female courtship because that is the
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  Speaker 1: natural way that people speak. But gradually they are shown
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  Speaker 1: to be desperate for intimacy once the itch has been
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  Speaker 1: scratched by cuck boys, hook up with Margaret and of
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  Speaker 1: course that these are actors and actresses not uh, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't is real dialogue from real in cells because they
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  Speaker 1: won't go near them. First staged at the Edinburgh Edinburgh. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's Edinburgh Fringe, last summer Edinburgh, Edinburgh. Okay, yeah about.
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  Speaker 3: Bh it's it's spelled it spelled Edinburgh, but it's pronounced Edinburgh. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: don't let any Scottish people like mock you for saying
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  Speaker 3: Edinburgh because they don't pronounce how it's spelled either. They
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  Speaker 3: say Edinburgh even though it's spelled Edinburgh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean from Ohio, we call ver cyber Sales, so
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  Speaker 1: it's bad.
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  Speaker 3: There's lots of cities with Burgh on the end and
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: lot and lots with Borough on the end, but Burgh
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: and Borough are the same word. They come from the
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  Speaker 3: same Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I discussed that during the episodes, one of the episodes
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  Speaker 1: on the voting history before we got sidetracked from that.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: We get sidetracked a lot on this shows. Uh but
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  Speaker 1: uh so, but this, this, this is the part I
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  Speaker 1: want to take a shoe with right in cell ideology, right,
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  Speaker 1: because an ideology is essentially made up of not just
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  Speaker 1: beliefs about a thing like not just I think this
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  Speaker 1: is true or I think that is true, which is
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  Speaker 1: the what what they're using to call it an ideology,
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  Speaker 1: but the idea of having a moral code of some sort,
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  Speaker 1: like feminist ideology results revolves around a sense of female victimhood. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the idea the belief that that women's perpetual, historical victimhood
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  Speaker 1: is true, but their moral code is And when I
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  Speaker 1: say moral, I'm not talking about ethics, guys. So not
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  Speaker 1: all morals are good, right, but their moral code is
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  Speaker 1: involves getting their own back, having a right to it,
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  Speaker 1: and fighting for legislative change to get their own back.
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  Speaker 1: Based on this idea of female victimhood, it used to
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  Speaker 1: be the idea that they were going to have all
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  Speaker 1: of the rights men have without all of their responsibilities,
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  Speaker 1: obligations and restrictions that men face as a result of
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  Speaker 1: those rights. But they sort of threw that over once
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  Speaker 1: they got that and weren't fully satisfied, and so now
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  Speaker 1: they want more. That's an ideology, you know, we could
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  Speaker 1: be said to have an ideology in that most men's
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  Speaker 1: rights activists have a goal in their activism of encouraging
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  Speaker 1: the public to our morality is essentially, if something is
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  Speaker 1: a human right, it's everybody's right, and so we want
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  Speaker 1: to encourage the the public to accept that idea and
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  Speaker 1: move the Overton window on areas where that isn't the case,
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  Speaker 1: where something is treated as a human right, but then
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  Speaker 1: only women have that right and either you know, look
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  Speaker 1: at it and say is this really a right or
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  Speaker 1: you know, and if it is, then it has to
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  Speaker 1: there has to be a way to respect that right
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  Speaker 1: for men. And if you can't do that, then maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's not really a right. But I don't know. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think, Richard, Do you think en cels actually
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  Speaker 1: have an ideology, a set of goals, common goals, and
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  Speaker 1: a moral code, things that they want to change in
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  Speaker 1: the world.
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  Speaker 2: We don't really have a more code or want to
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  Speaker 2: change anything in the world because or insults on It's
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  Speaker 2: like a partner that a girlfriend that's really into them.
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  Speaker 2: That's all they want. I don't really want any political
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  Speaker 2: change or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not sounds like an ideology. That sounds likely.
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  Speaker 2: Because men aren't Men can't share the grievouses online or
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  Speaker 2: anywhere else, and the forums and online it's thirty place
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  Speaker 2: where men can find about their frustrations.
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  Speaker 1: They're not usual.
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  Speaker 3: Any movements should seek to make itself obsolete. That's what
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  Speaker 3: That's what we've been saying about men's rights advocacy.
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  Speaker 2: Have been saying for a long time as well well.
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  Speaker 3: On on intels. It's on an individual basis, Okay, for
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  Speaker 3: any point they actually you know, get what they want.
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  Speaker 3: Just enjoy an organic relationship with another human being in
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: cels and there won't be insults anymore.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: The intel probably will go away. If something will to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: be legalized, women will all loweredeth that it's but that's
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I I don't like the claim that women's standards are
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: high because a lot of times it's not height, it's toxicity, right,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And I mentioned this, I think on the The Tuesday
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Show too. I think a lot of times women forget
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: about things that are important, like if somebody has a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a good moral or ethical code of his own. You know.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: One of the things that really attracted me to my
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: husband was I always knew if I wasn't sure in
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a group for people, you know what was going on.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He was a guy that I would would tell it
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to me straight, even if he thought I might be
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: upset with what he said to me. And you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: he didn't coddle me, and that was important. And that's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that I think is a high standard. I want somebody
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: who tells me the truth, even if it takes courage
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to say it because of what my reaction might be.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, I got together with a guy who
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: is very very very bright and very very strong personality.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And I mean he's physically strong too, but a strong personality,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and if he had not been handsome, I still would
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: have gotten together with him. I dated guys that other
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: gals were like, why are you going out with that guy?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: He's short? Why are you going out with that guy?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: He's not good looking? Why are you going out with
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that guy he's half bald? And each one had qualities
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that were very important to me, they just weren't. I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: think appearance is a shallow quality. When you make it
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: your primary thing, you mean that you can't have standards
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: for appearance. I don't think I've ever dated anybody that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: was a complete slob. For instance, I've probably always been
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the complete slob in the relationship. But uh, I think
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it's a toxic standard too, to think that your guy
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: has to be the handsomest guy in the room by
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: other women's standards. I think I married the handsomest guy
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in the world, and nobody can tell me any different,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and and that's it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: No, I married the handsomest guy in the world, like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the guy that I'm in love with, right, and that's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: that's the way that is, he's he is. And again,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: like I said, nobody can tell me different. And I'm
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: always going to have that bias. My my sister in
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: law says, it's not true. She married the handsomest guy
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in the world, you know, And that's that's not having
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a toxic standard. That's seeing, you know, beauty in the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: person that you love. And I hate when I hear oh,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: women have high standards. No, they don't. They have bitchy standards, right,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And it's why they go for movie characters because not
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the actor. He wasn't the hottest guy on the planet
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: until he played Loki. I never heard of him until
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: he played Loki, and I haven't heard of anything else
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: he's ever done. But women went ape shit for the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: guy that played Loki because of the character being a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: god of mischief. And so they like guys that have
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that maybe that chad look to a degree and a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: bit effeminate to a degree, but they like the idea
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that they're taming something and you know, well, yeah, he's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: bad when everyone else where, everyone else is concerned. But
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I've tamed him, And that's ego in vanity, right, that's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a toxic standard.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, women are very often subjective about these things, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: because they're so subjective, they always look upwards. It's called hypergamy.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Even if they get tom what's his name, the guy
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: had played Loki, they would still think, well, he's not
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: quite enough, and so they would go upwards to fucking
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Chris Hemsworth or whatever, or to one of the really
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: buff Avengers. And even then they would think, what about
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: this strongest man in the world competition. Look at all
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: these guys. They can lift fucking fifty kilogram atlas stones
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: and shove him over their head. I want to be
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: with one of them. But once they're one of them
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: with they'll go, well, he's a bit too fat. I
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: want a guy who's a bit in the middle. And
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: then they go back in that direction, and then they
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: go back and forth forever because they don't know what
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: they want. That's the problem with women. They don't they
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: they don't have you know, they don't look ahead with
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: these things. They don't have an idea, they don't have
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: a design for life or that sounds too sinious. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: they just can't make do with what they have. They
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: want something else, and then something else, and then something else.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: And yes, I'm sure there are some men who have
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: that problem as well, and that's why so many rich, powerful,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: influential men can keep going through all these divorces because
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: they never have quite the right woman. But it's in
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: terms of men, this only affects the very richest of men.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, even Trump is quite happy with the Millennia,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: and even even most rich influential men are quite happy
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: with whatever women they have, I mean, I mean rich men.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: There's this meme about a millionaire wants this perfect Greek
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: goddess of a wife, but a billionaire is quite happy
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: with this ragged looking fucking prostitute that you'd likely find
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: in a toilet in a in a club, in a
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: fucking New York club.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: It's it's all up in the air with men. Men
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: just want women who are nice to them. They're quite
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: happy with us the ugly woman who's nice to them.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: But women that they're not interested in a man who's
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: nice to them. They they want they want a man
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: who they can show off to their female.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Friends, and they want him on a leash.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: And that's going to change because they're female friends are
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: going to change their desires depending on what's trendy at
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the time. It could be a goth guy, it could
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: be fucking New romantic guy. It could be a bricklayer guy.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: It could be a trucker guy. It happened. It depends
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: what the fucking media is telling them to find attractive
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: at the time. There's all sorts of thought into this
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: that women want what the consensus tells them to want.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Speaking of toxicity, it's it's bad when you like you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you are with the wrong friend, right if they meet
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: your your partner, and your partner, you know, goes home
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and the first thing they say is, oh my god, girl,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what's the matter with you? What is with that shirt
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: he was wearing? And and all that it was was
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: just there's a funny joke on it. You know, nothing
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: about what they might have in common, or what does
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: she like about him or none of that, just did
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you see the hole in his shoe?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And and I've I've known that type, and they will
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: pick that guy apart that that group of friends will
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: pick that guy apart a different way of doing things
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the way my friends did. Like we basically when we
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: checked out to make sure you know each each one,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and my group was mixed. There were guys and gals.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: So you get into a relationship with someone, you bring
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that boyfriend or that girlfriend out on a fried pickle
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: run The Fried Pickle run involved going out to a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: place that doesn't exist anymore. It was called Hollister's Pizza
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and we would just order snack foods, fried pickles and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: other things like that and and spend a few hours
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: shooting the ship. And if the person, you know, just
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was able to just be relaxed, laid back with the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: group and you know, enjoy banter without trying to be
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: fake or not being nice, you know, like it was,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: we had pretty pretty minor things that you know, like
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you had to you had to be you had to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: be a jerk, or you had to be uh, you know,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: maybe looking at not not able to connect with the group,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: looking at the rest of us, like what the fuck
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: fuck is wrong with these people? You know, for us
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: to be like, well, maybe you're not really compatible with
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that guy, or maybe you're not really compatible with that girl.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: And there weren't very many guys that didn't pass the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: pickle test. There were a lot more girls that didn't
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: pass the pickle test. They would get upset. The first
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: thing they would do, right, get upset when they find
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: out their new boyfriend has friends that are female, Like
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: that's a big no. Note, you can't have friends that
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: are female. What are you doing? You can't sit next
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to her. You're here with me, you know, even though
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you're sitting next to me and she's on the other side,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you're sitting next to her. That's not okay, that's not kosher,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and you get that kind of thing going on,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, you're heading for trouble, dude.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: But you didn't see that with a lot of guys, right,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: You didn't see very many guys not find find a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: niche in the group and be like, you know, telling
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: stupid jokes and talking about their experiences and stuff like that. So,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I always thought of the pickle test
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: as a partner vetting test, but it really vetted more
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: women than men. So but yeah, you are right, Richard.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: If women could have more reasonable standards, they would they
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: would open up to more men. The unsell problem would
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: be solved, and so would the the imitation in cell
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: problem that happens with galves, where they if cells sim
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: cells are kind of faux cells. Yeah, they they might
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: refer to themselves as fem cells. They might feel that
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: way about it. But the truth is, if they would
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: broaden their standards, uh, take some of the toxicity out
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: of it. They would find somebody.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as far as I'm said, there's no such thing
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: as a female in cell, just like kind of you
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: often say there's no this thing is misogyny. I I
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: don't know if I would go that far, but that's
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: another subject. But if a woman who's a three is
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: willing to settle down with a man who's a three,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: we wouldn't have any of these problems when it when
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: it comes to the relationship between men and women. We
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have these low birth rate problems. We would have
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: this problem of sustaining our society. If a woman who's
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: a five can happily settle with a man who's a five,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: or even if a woman who's an A can happily
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: settle with a man who's an A, everything will be fine.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: But we have this problem where women can't settle for
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: anything less than five stages above her like and and
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: if she's anything above a stage five that means yeah, no,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: there is literally no man who's good enough for her.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: So easy go on. The PUAs have done a lot
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of damage as well.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, you want to elaborate on that one, because I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: had agreed that I want to hear your take on it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So a POA will sleep with a five thinking she
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: will get that same type of PUA guy to be
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: in a relationship with, and that five will get a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: big head because she got to sleep it for p
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: u A and stuff like that, and the cycle. So
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the p A might have a slow like I see
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: that five as a slumpbuster because he was going for
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a drought and the woman not knowing, yeah, go well yeah,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and the woman not knowing or knowing that she's a slumpbuster,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: thinking that she could get a guy to commit to
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: that to for that PIA to commit to her, because
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: they just want the relationship that I want, the actual act,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: so to speak.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: That is a really solid point, and it really rests
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: on how differently a lot of guys look at sex
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: from how a lot of women look at sex. Right, women,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: women look at sex as something Most women look at
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: sex as something that they give to men. They don't
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: think of it as something they do with men. And
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: so when when a man gets that from them, they
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: think of it as a contract. Well, now you owe
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: me something because I gave you something, And they don't
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: think of it as a moment of intimacy and care
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and love until after you're married, and then then it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you have to romance me because sex has to be
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: intimate and caring and loving, you know in our marriage,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: not hot and passionate so on. And you know, you
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: get this attitude of you owe me because I opened
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: my legs for you, that women will talk about men
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: having that attitude you owe me because I bought you dinner.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: But when it really comes down to it, I think
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it's more disrespectful to think to to presume the other
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: person's boundaries to be erased entirely, not just for one night,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: not just you know, maybe maybe I might have a
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: chance with you because I showed you that I can
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: be what you want by by providing for a night.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: But now you you are not allowed to be a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: separate person from me anymore. We're a couple because I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: opened my legs for you. It just something with about
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that just sort of strikes me the same way as uh,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: you know, going to pick something up and you think
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it's clean and your hand comes away slimy. It just
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it's just not right right. And and I think that
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: with yeah, I think that with I think that with
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: the sexual revolution and its effect on women's attitudes. They've
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: become more reprehensible in their treatment of the opposite sex
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: around treating sex as a transaction than PUA's have been.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: But PUA's making two mistakes in my book. One of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: them is what Richard described. The other one is that
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: they teach guys to settle for just sex, just getting
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: laid and getting late as much as possible. And I mean,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: getting late is nice, and we all can agree that
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: it's fun. But well, okay, that's fair, but we can
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: we can pretty much agree though, like you've said before,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: in cells want the relationship. They want to be with
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a woman, and they want to be in a sexual relationship.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But just getting laid by itself with no attachment actually
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: is damaging and harmful. And doing that over and over
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: again and splitting yourself off from that person is kind
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of like it does the same kind of damage to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you psychologically that seeking adrenaline rushes or using steroids or
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: otherwise taking your body to extremes can do to your heart,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and it's not healthy. And the other thing that happens
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: with that is you put yourself in a position that
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: when you do want somebody to be a partner with,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to trust you and that you can trust. It becomes
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a lot harder to find that person because you've seen
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the most degrading and disgusting elements of the opposite sex
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: now and you always have to wonder if that's what
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: you've partnered with. It's why it's harder to get into
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: relationships after a divorce when you're the one that's been mistreated,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: cheated on, abused whatever, which cheating is abused to. But
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: so they teach guys to settle instead of holding women
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to a standard and reserving themselves for someone that they
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: can trust. And by doing what they do with regard
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to women and what they do with regard to men,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: they've kind of degraded, degraded things a little bit. Though
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I think feminists have done a lot more harm, significantly
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: more harm based on the what they've taught women to
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: expect and what they've taught women to demand, and what
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: they've taught women at their worth and all that kind
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of shit. So yeah, but on the subject of this play,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: this is this kind of interesting. This writer notes that
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: these insults are desperate for intimacy. Uh, and it's it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: only shown because the itch has been scratched by cuck
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: boys hookup. So first stage, let's say I read that
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: part already, a black comedy by Dublin based writer Jamie Sykes,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: who directs to it. Takes the high stakes decision to
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: eke laughter from a culture based on hate they always
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: say that, and sometimes murderous terror, And of course that's
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: going to cite the same list of killers that aren't
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: aren't in cults.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: All I do is watch training videos.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh you you misogonist. Wait, yeah, that's that's really
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: kind of funny.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: What is a culture based on hate and sometimes murderous terror?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Watching trains, watching trains and boss videos?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: A culture based on hating other cultures and sometimes murderous
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: terror against other cultures.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And on the whole it succeeds.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: It.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that has is how it's worked for all of
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: human history, and and that's why there have been wars,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: because the cultures that have survived have survived on hating
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: other cultures to the point of murderous terror, just to
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: in case there's any chance of being warned to death,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: you know, being invaded and slaughtered to death are e
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: war by other.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Cultures and guess who they sent in to be canon fodder.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Men.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mostly men, and most of them are young and unmarried,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: many of them are in cells.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: But I just I don't want to let it's slide that.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: There's another kind of culture based on hate, and that's
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: the culture based on hating your own culture and murderous
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: terror against your own culture. That's what we're seeing in
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Minnesota at this point, a culture based on hating its
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: own culture and sometimes murderous terror against its own culture,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: where where the only thing you hate and the only
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: thing you murderously terrorize is those who are trying to
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: maintain your own culture. And this is very much a
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: recent phenomenon. So let's let's not let that slide. Like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: but that's not what we're dealing with right now. I
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: hesitate to say the word like a phobia, because I
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: say every time we do a fucking stream, But yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: that is another kind of hate and murderous terror, Like
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: a culture based on xenophobia is checksnotes every culture ever. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: we can dull that down. We we we can simmer
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that down so that we don't go like fucking providing
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: billions of dollars of war effort to other cultures. But
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: we can. We can keep ourselves to ourselves and love
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: ourselves to ourselves. Do you see how that's not xenophobia,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: that's just loving your own kind. But that's that's that's
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: what that's what leftists, for want of a better word,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: call hate. Loving your own kind is what these fucking
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: leftists fuckers call hate.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they get very upset about it, especially when men
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: do it. Women are supposed to be uh you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: all there. They're supposed to be a sisterhood and blah
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: blah blah, which never works out all that well. But
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: but yeah, men are not allowed to have any kind
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: of fraternity, camaraderie, none of that, none of that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Ship.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Stop stop fraternizing with each other. That's very bad men.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: In fact, we shouldn't even call it fraternizing because that
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: masculinizes it. Uh, stop humanizing with each other men. Uh,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: there we go. But it's interesting because in the first
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: paragraph he's talking about or she's talking about how desperate
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: they are for intimacy, but in the next paragraph they
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: hate women. So I don't know, man, and I haven't
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: really spent I've only seen a few things for men
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: cell forums because I you know, a lot of times
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it's what somebody posts something this came from an in
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: cell forum, and then I gotta go find you know
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: where it came from if I can and see what
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: they actually talk about in there. And most of the
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: time it's video games, it's not women, So I don't
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: know if it's even an in cell forum. But well,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and shadow Wolf eighty seven says, it's fraternizing with the enemy, Hannah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: But yes, feminists think men are the enemy. Therefore, if
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you fraternize with other men, you're fraternizing with the enemy.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: See how that works. Very clever. Uh, they're very good
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: at that, so they can make anything that you do bad,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: even if it's just being friends with other men. And
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: then if you're not friends with other men, that's also
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: bad because it means that men don't understand how to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: make friends. Very clever, But it's.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Benevolent sexism, right if you are if you're only fraternize
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: with other women, that's benevolent sexism. You're being too nice
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: to women, and therefore you're also a misogynist, so you're
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: on the fucking guillotine as well. Yeah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Or it's womanizing, yes, yeah, But it's interesting how you
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: can be desperate for intimacy with women and yet somehow
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: hate them, Like, which is it? Is any of this
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: even remotely like what in cells are really like? Richard?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Not really. Most of the posts are many complained about
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: their lives and not getting attention from from women in general,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: or being abused by women. So there's some hate in there,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: but not a lot of hate.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, complaining about being abused isn't hate. That's talking about
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: your experiences. I mean if we if we decided that
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: complaining about being abused was hate, then every feminist forum
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: would be a hate forum. They complain about it whether
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: it happens or not.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: There's some resentment, but it's not hate.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: S Yeah, well that makes sense. Let's see I can
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: think of immediately. I mean, if you're dealing with people
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: whose standards are toxic and they have a tendency to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: be abusive toward you, those might be two of the
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: things that are probably subjects of statements of resentment.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So some it's also like very short, So they're
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: like five seven five six, and they're like after flocking
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: and they they still can't get a date.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the what it is women
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: thinking they got to be taller or be shorter than
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the guy they're with. But I mean, if if I'd
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: have done that, half the guys I dated, I wouldn't
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: have been able to go out with him. I'm kind
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: of tall. I'm not like super tall, but I was
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: five foot nine when I was in my peak height
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: middle aged now, so I'm shrinking. But I hung out
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: with a lot of girls that were shorter than me,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: and they had that hang up. If a guy was
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: shorter than me, they would be like, oh, you can't
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: go out with him, he's short, and they'd be shorter
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: than him. And I always secretly wondered if they were
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: trying to break me off from this guy so they
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: could date him. But it really was that, you know,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: sometimes it really was you can't date that guy, he's short, Like, so,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: what's that got to do with anything?
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Or is there are men who like women who are
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: short at them and there's no shortage lot of and
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: who like women who are taller than them. There's a
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: there's a fetage for everything, and it's not even it's
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: not even a fettige. Men aren't that picky. I mean,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: I if all things being normal, maybe they would be.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: But we live in this age in which you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: men are generally taught to get whatever they get, and
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: even if they don't have a fetish that they're perfectly
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: happy with a woman who's a bit taller than them
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: or a bit shorter than them. In fact, there's a
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: lot of men who have a fetish of a woman
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: who's like ten foot taller than them. You can sort
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: of see why the idea of having a woman who's
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: skin you can crawl all over. That's it's this, it's
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: hyper normal stimulus. You can test the sort of things,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: this sort of thing with all kinds of animals, Like
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: the chicks are obsessed with a with a beak that
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: has two red lines on it, and you can show
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: them as even bigger stick that has two red lines
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: on it, they'll go mad for it. And and it's
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: the same with men. If you present them any kind
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: of supernormal stimulus, they'll go for it. And that includes
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: very tall women, and includes very includes very fat women,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: including anything anything you can put in front of a
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: man that looks like a woman, but even more woman.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: They'll be like, oh, hell yeah, I'll go with that.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: And you'd think the same would go for women's attraction
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: to men. But uh, it's something has been shoved in
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: the way of women's attraction to men. There's some unnatural
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: bullshit has been stuffed in the in the way of
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: women's attraction to men. And it's, oh yeah, they oppress
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: you no matter how no matter how strong they are,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: no matter how rich they are, They're always oppressing you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: So you have to go higher every time. Even if
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: you find a ten, fuck it, you have to try
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: and find an eleven. But there's no such thing as eleven.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: But these apps go up to eleven yelp.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: And the dumb thing is, you know, if men are
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: oppressing women and you go for the top dog in
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the you know, out of the whole pack, right, wouldn't
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: he oppress you more? Because he can? If that was real,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: you would want to if you were in a real
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: world scenario of men oppressing women, the most attractive guy
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: would be the one who was the least capable of
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: oppressing you, especially if it was actually true that women
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: are equal to men, which when you really think about it,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: So you have a culture. Imagine a culture, right in
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: which two two groups of of of people I don't know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: walckets and Weebels, right, And they're identical in every way
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: except Walckets have an Audie and we will have an
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: any And that's it. That's that's the only difference between
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: them is that they look a little different, and uh,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: they're shaped a little different. But they they're equal in
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: strength and capability, intelligence, the the capacity for love and
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: morality and ethics and problem solving and all things that
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: people want to know about each other. But somehow, without explanation,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: for thousands of years, the Walkeets have managed to oppress
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: the Weebels so completely that they have have never advanced
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that they they've developed a lack of common sense, that
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: they are kept poor. They have to depend on the Walkeets.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: They've never built anything of significance, and they're not involved
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: in any of the systems and mechanisms that make their
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: civilization exist other than the production of young Walkeets and Weebels.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: And that's that's it. And and they never have agreed
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: to that. Somehow, they've never agreed to that. How on
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: earth would you expect in a population where both of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: these groups, both of these populations are completely equal in
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: all ways, how would the Lukeets maintain that system? Of oppression.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: How would they be able to stop the Weebels from
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: just running off and starting their own civilization or killing
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: them all in their sleep, or fighting back and saying, no,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: we're not going to take this anymore. You're going to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: treat this as equals and then doing it being equal.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: You'd either have to have complicit Weebels and in greater
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: than median numbers. You'd either have to have that, or
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it would have to be a lie that both of
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: those populations were identically capable in all ways. We're equal
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: in every way, clearly, Uh, somebody lied about something. But
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you know what happens when you say stuff like that
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: on the Internet. You get called misogynists, You get caught
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: a pick me, pick me, or an in cell. You know,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I get called an in cell more than I get
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: called a pit pickmy. Why they think I'm a man?
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Zero days?
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Also, I think the tim Man has blocks me on Twitter.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, well we can find out why.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: But this at least it's not that far from list
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: is not that far from blocking me eye might as well.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I probably have been blocked by hundreds
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: of people by this point, even without the blockbots. But
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I don't worry about it too much. I get into
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: arguments with sometimes with other MRAs and get blocked too.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: And I've got some people that block me when they're
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: mad at me, and then they unblock me, and then
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: they start retweeting me, and then they start talking to
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: me again, and then they follow me, and then they
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: get upset with something else I've said, and then they
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: block me again. So I don't get too heated about it,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: because it's just people do what they're going to do.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Do you know I've never blocked anyone on Twitter, and
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: I've never encountered someone's Twitter profile only to discover that
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I'm blocked. Now, that second thing sounds obvious, because I'm
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: not going to be presented with their tweets because I'm blocked.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: But presumably in some way people find out that they're
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: blocked by someone, because in some way they go to
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: their Twitter page to see what's going on and then
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: they find out that they're blocked. But yeah, no, this
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: is twofold. I've never locked anyone on Twitter, and I've
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: never encountered that screen that says this user has blocked you.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: I've never got I've never gone that deep. I just
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: don't fucking care all that much to to to encounter
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: people who who who I who who I wouldn't have
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: found had I not tried to counteract that block.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Like, have you ever been in a conversation with someone
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: on Twitter and you've had you know, back and forth
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: comments going back back between you, and then all of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: a sudden you go to to respond to something that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: they said or answer a question they asked you, and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: it says that you can't.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I've avoided doing that.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, That's why if you have conversations, and you have
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: conversations with people other than your friends on like, I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: have a lot of conversations with people who are in
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: arguments with feminists or trad cons. Actually trad cons can
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: be meaner than feminists sometimes, but in any case, you know,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: you get into a conversation and there's like I've had
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: conversations I've been in where there's thirty people in the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: conversation and as I'm trying to read and follow what's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: taken place in the conversation so my comment doesn't come
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: out stupid because I have failed to consider some context
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: or something. I'll run across comments that I can't see
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: because the person has me blocked, or that I can't
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: reply to you because the person has me blocked. And
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: now if there's a comment thread in the original post
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: is by someone who has you blocked, you can't reply
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: to the whole thread.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like telling you kinda you don't fucking
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: need to argue with these idiots things.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I do it because I need to.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: No, I'm saying sometimes I feel like it. But you
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: you get all the way to the end of the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: road where they fucking block you, and you finally get
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: to see this person has blocked you, and you go
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: when whereas I Whereas I I just as soon as
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like this person is wasting my time, I
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: just stop fucking talking to them. I might block.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Getting blocked in that situation is kind of like achieving
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: a ko and a bar fight.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Whereas I I might mute them because I don't
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: want to block anyone. I want to keep my record
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: of having never blocked anyone strong. But you can still
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: mute them so that they can keep screaming into the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: void thinking you can hear them. But if you if
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: you block them, they'll just keep screaming until they just
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: stop fucking doing it. But that's that's that's the way
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I do it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I try to know what I really miss.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I try to keep this zen aspect of things like
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: just just don't talk to them.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Like what I really miss is when when you get
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: that someone I used to be able to tag this
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: account into the conversation called Prometheus, and Prometheus was a bot.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: So it's blocked. It's not allowed on Twitter email anymore.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: But what it would do was it had this way
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: of speaking that wasn't quite philosophical, but it sounded pseudo philosophical,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: and it would it would reply in this pseudo philosophical
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: not nonsensical. Actually sometimes Prometheus had really good advice on
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: how people could get along with each other and have
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: success as you know, social individuals in the world. But
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: it would for the rest of the conversation, anytime anybody
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: said anything mean, it would reply to them. And you know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: feminists say mean things all the time. Oh Mangaka says,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Prometheus got off the Internet and wind wiped up hometheus.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: But and yeah, it was. It was a lot of
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: fun because I ran into a few feminists that couldn't
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: figure out that it was a bot, and they would
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: argue with it and they would get mad and they
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: would start accusing it of harassing them, and they would
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: start like calling it a misogynist, and you know, and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: it would just respond back in this mild man. I
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: would just watch, like I watched one gal go on
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: a three day bender attacking Prometheus and getting back these
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: kind hearted, mild mannered, philosophical sounding, you know, chill pill replies.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: And she never figured out that it was a bot.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately it was kind of like one of those
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: how do you keep an idiot busy cards? And it
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: just says that on both sides.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I really want YouTube to introduce a mute option, because
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: sometimes I get reply guys who will just have something,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: who will just respond to every post I make.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: You can you can whitelist commenters, and I think you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: can blacklist commentars on YouTube. I've never used that function,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure that it offers both.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: But I've trained myself to do it by myself, because
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: I'll still get these notifications from these reply guys, and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I've just trained myself to go, oh, it's it's not
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: that guy. No, No, don't even read it, just go
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: bye bye, not interested, And that's that's that's the that's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: the top end of how you achieve zen.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: You just go see now, just now, not interested. There's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: there's a lesson in this though. Men need to do
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: that with low quality women.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Exactly a full circle.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Which was the advice Richard gave when he talked about
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: what PUA's do wrong. They don't do that with low
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: quality women. They fail at that. And you know, we
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: talk about the ratings system usually that that mostly rides
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: on looks. Right, you're five. If you're halfway pretty, you're
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: a ten. If you're drop dead gorgeous.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: If you back in the back in the original Dungeons
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: and Dragons days, if you had a comeliness of eighteen, right,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: then you're ten. But honestly, I would rather be with
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: someone that had a comeliness score of five but was
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: a really cool person, who was a lot of fun
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: to talk to and was a really great problem solver,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: right I was if I was, especially if I was
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: dating women, I would worry a lot more about those
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: personality characteristics. It's even more of a theorious issue when
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: you're dating female partners than male partners, because a female
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: partner can lie to the state about you and take
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: everything you have and get you locked up for years
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and years for nothing.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: You did nothing right. So like that.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Character matters a hell of a lot more than looks.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: But and I guess that's just I think that's pretty
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: solid advice. And I think that that's probably the biggest
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: disservice the PUA community does to guys is it puts
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: them at risk for that experience. There's no way to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: protect yourself when you're engaging with women in any type
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: of relationship oriented scenario, whether you're having sex or just
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: dating without having sex, or hanging out and hoping to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: get a date or flirting, you know, even working at
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: a job and maintaining a professional relationship that has it's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: completely platonic, you still can get that to go through
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: that experience, a woman lies about you and you lose
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: your job or worse, you get prosecuted. So yeah, that's
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: pickup artistry is dangerous for men, not because it puts
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: them at risk of not being able to find the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: right woman, although it does that as well because you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: flood yourself with bad examples, but because it puts men
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: at risk of being put in jail by one of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: those bad examples. But going on with this play, like
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: this play is. I'm already thinking I wouldn't be able
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: to sit through five minutes of this play. Visually, it
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: has a ludicrous setup actors carrying aluminum frames in lieu
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: of laptop scenes. And here's where that's what this image is.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: This guy looks thrilled to be there. By the way,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: let's see which when they glitch or are turned off
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: show characters comically on the screen. The script sometimes elicits
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: sympathy for these men. How dare it do that? Oh,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: my god, sympathy for men who might be lonely and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: need emotional support for their circumstances.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: How dare they?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: I lost my place? That does piss me off, Like, oh,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: it's sometimes elicit sympathy for these men, some of whom
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: were terribly bullied by bullied boys once and then then
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: it goes straight from they were terribly bullied boys who,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: all of whom are evidently lonely, inadequate outsiders. They're contempt
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: for women turns your stomach, but their loathing is turned
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: inward too, like you can't be sympathetic for more than
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: a split second, there can you? With graphic self hatred
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: depression and then almost feed attitude towards suicide, although the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: drama does not go further into that darkness.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: So I'm it's not really a face to Walt's suicide.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: This wolf of suicide, I know, I don't. It's a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: seriously soft but compronounced the wood.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Type it into the chat into the like where the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: the last thing that was about the uh okay, yeah,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: the last you typed in there just before you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: we were typing about the Wu Tang clan type into
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: that chat. What the word is you're trying to think of?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: But uh, just from just from talking to you about
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: it in the past, I've got the impression that quite
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: a bit, and and also being reassured by the guys
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: in in like our discord, quite a bit of it
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: is dark humor, where whereas I think these people are
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: taking it all seriously suicide ideation ideation okay, okay, so
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: sort of talking about feeling better off.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Dead, Yeah pretty much. Yeah, yeah, No, I have to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: be careful of what I say stuff, I'm right, because
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: they will they will report it to some people, right, But.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: It does, uh in a way it makes sense. I mean,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: if you're in a situation where you feel like you
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: can't find your place in society, You can't find your niche,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: and you don't have the social connections and support that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: that people usually need. That causes depress and depression can
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: cause suicidal ideation, right, and that that kind of follows.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: So it's not it's not a good thing, but it's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: not unreasonable. The reasonable response to unreasonable circumstances, and the
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: most appropriate response, if women were the caring and fair
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: sex that they purport to be, the loving and gentle sex,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: would be, oh, gosh, what can we do to make
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: you guys feel more supported and alleviate some of that depression?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: That would be the you know, compassionate and caring human
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: response a group of people that's in pain. You see
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: a group of people that's in pain, and uh, your
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: your goal then would be what what can we do
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: to reduce that pain and strengthen them against it. That's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: that's what women expect from men. That's what women demand
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: from men, even over mundane things. But then it takes
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: an adult to actually deliver on that, and women have
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: stopped reaching adulthood. This is one I really have a
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: rough time with other women because of this.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Richard, It's one ever, women start to get
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: male attention, that's what they stop growing.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's fitting too. Ego is a killer of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: self as assessment, in self criticism, and without those things,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: it's hard to have personal growth. You have to be
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: able to be down on yourself with the idea that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: you want to change things and not retain the characteristics
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: that you're down on in order to have personal growth.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: It makes sense that women who never had a dad
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: figure in the first place never got male attention in
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: the first place. So when they stopped receiving male attention
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: in the first place was the moment they were born. Yeah,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: which kind of makes sense that from the moment they
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: were born they became fucking slags or whatever word you
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: had for it, sluts, Well sligs is a bit more
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: broader topic. Well, no, it's about the same.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Women who who were never afforded the boundaries of of
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: male attention in any given context, uh, never appreciate those
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: boundaries where where they're told that you shouldn't just cast
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: your net as wide as you possibly can in terms
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: of trying to get male attention. And that's hence this meme. Yeah,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: women women who didn't have dads will become drag queen slags,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: and men who never had dads will also become drag
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: queen slags.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Well, one difference is women who never had dads will
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: cast that net, that that wide net, right as wide
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: as they possibly can for male attention, and then they'll
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: bitch about ninety percent of what they get, Whereas I'll
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: never run into a drag queen that didn't take a compliment.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Well, some drag queens actually went into it for the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: artistic merit of it. They and they will tell you, no,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm doing this for adult entertainment.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this for artistry.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Don't send your kids to my show. For the love
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: of God, don't send your kids to my show. Yeah, don't,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: And don't tell people that I'm actually a woman that's
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: fucking mental. I'm doing this for the sake of performance.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: That he actually was very upset because somebody brought kid
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: to his show and he was like, what do they
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: think we're doing here? I'm out there shaky my tush.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want a kid watching me shake my tush.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: That's gross that it was just like it is one
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: of the few people I heard use the word tush
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: for bottom and it was adorable to hear. But at
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: the same time, I mean, I understand the point, like
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: you're embarrassed act like that in front of a child
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: because a child hasn't reached the age of being able
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: to enjoy that and understand it a child. For a
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: child to see that as creepy for the child, and
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: so it would feel you'd feel like a creep being
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: watched by a child, and that would be very upsetting.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: I remember going to a wedding reception when I was
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: like thirteen and there was this belly dancer up turning up.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: I was incredibly embarrassed. Even though I was thirteen. I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: had these homos fucking flowing through myself and I was like,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: this is horrible. I can't, like, yeah, I can't get
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: on board with this. This doesn't, this isn't.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: It'd be like, I don't know, it would be like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: being a teenage girl at a wedding and they have
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: an entertainer show up in a banana hammock almost, which
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that would be more like what you'd see at a
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: bachelorette party, right or I guess in some places they
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: call it a hidden party, But I don't think people
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: realize exactly what happens with boys raging hormones unless they
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: were a boy once either like girls women, they really
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: don't understand the difference. Like we are hormones get out
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: of whack when we're in our adolescents and stuff, and
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: we get all emotional and everything too, But I don't
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: think we are as affected by visuals as guys are,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: and we don't have things like random erections that guys
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: have to go through.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how that must feel. And then the
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: other thing, like the one thing that I was able
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: to support my son going through that I think my
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: mom didn't understand with my brother was when he hit
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the age where you just start getting for a while,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: you start getting mad at everything because your hormones are
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: out of whack. That happened to me when I was
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: a teenager because I was on steroids for asthma. So
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I understood, and he was like, Mom, I don't know
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: why I'm mad, And I was like, it's okay, it's
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: because you're a teenager and you just have to ride
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: it out, you know. But my mom would be like, well,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: if you don't understand why you're mad, then there's something
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: wrong with you. And my dad had to explain to her, No,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: this just happens to boys. She grew up with her brothers,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: but they shielded from that because she was a girl.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the problem with girls.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: I think we grow up shielded from way too much stuff.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: And it's it's always been a benefit for me that
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I grew up in a neighborhood where there weren't as
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: many girls as there were boys, and so I didn't
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: get shield from as much of it.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: And yeah, the some tweet I heard recently about the
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: difference between boys getting raped by their teachers and girls
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: getting raped by their teachers heterosexually respectively, is that is
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: that girls want romance, so when they get raped by
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: their male teachers, it doesn't count as romance, and so
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: they get traumatized, whereas boys just want sex. They don't
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: want romance. They just they just want to get Yeah,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: I just want to get their junk shuffled and what
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: have you. But this, this flies in the face of
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: what I was talking about. Now. I sat there as
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: a thirteen year old watching a belly dancer dance in
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: front of me, and I was like, this is really uncomfortable.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know why. It's like, because I don't just
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: want sexual stimulation. But when I was thirteen, and.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you read more into the outcomes that boys
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: experience after they have been raped by their teacher, you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: run into numerous stories of boys who ended up attempting
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: suicide after the breakup of the relationship or during the
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: relationship because they didn't want the relationship, or because they
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: didn't they couldn't emotionally handle the relationship.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if a woman of almost any age, though presumably
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: a hunger age, if if if if my teacher had
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: to come up to me and expressed an actual romantic
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: interest in me and like being all I love you
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: and stuff, I might have got pulled into that. I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: have been like, oh, yeah, I've got something going on here.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: And I would have been like, okay, let's do this.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: To see the difference between that and a fucking belly
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: dancer fucking running around not even close to you, but
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: in this in the same fucking reception all at a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: at a fucking warning reception, That's that's the difference. Like,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: just just this reception of of of sexual images. It
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: makes teenage boys feel kind of weird, not all of us. Obviously,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: maybe I'm a bit fucking maybe a bit autistic or something.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: And there are some teenage boys that are a bit
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: over sex, and they would have been like, oh, but
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: you know, just just people like to excuse this idea
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: of of of teachers seducing boys as to say boys
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: just want sex, that's all they want. They just want
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: friction on their genitals. No, good God, No, like that's
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: all you're doing. There is just portraying boys as like
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: fucking chimpanzees that just want friction. They're just animals that
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: just want animal sex. No, they're not like boys are
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: They're they're much like girls. They they they want an
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: emotional connection. And if they are presented with that emotional
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: connection from from a teacher who just wants to fucking
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: rape them, then they are just as vulnerable to that
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: as a teenage girl is.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Which is why that's why the most dangerous man alive,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: according to feminists, banned from Australia for being a pickup artist.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the one everybody thinking of now,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: But y'all remember Roose He got married, settled down, and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: completely he went religious and completely dropped out of the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: spotlight here. Yeah, because he found partnership instead of just sex,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: and I think most people want that. By the way,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: in my area, it is not traditional to have belly
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: dancers at weddings. We usually just have someone singing Sunrise
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Sunset from fiddler on the roof and have Usually there
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: will be you know, a series of dances that there
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: is where the bride dances with her dad and to
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: some song like Butterfly Kisses and about being raised or
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: raising your daughter and seeing her grow up. And usually
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: the the groom dancing with his mother will dance to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: mama by bois to men. But you don't really see
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: much sexuality displayed at weddings. The most risky thing that
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: happens is uh, the the groom pulling the garter off
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: of the bride's leg and then tossing it to the groomsmen,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and the groomsmen that catches it has to dance with
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: the bridesmaid that catches the bouquet, and that's it. And
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: and the the level of sexuality involved there depends on
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: how high up the uh the bride has placed the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: garter when she put it on before the wedding, so
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: and that that's it's like everything else is all cutesy
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: and family oriented, which is the way a wedding should
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: be because it's a celebration of the expansion of your
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: family by bringing in the partner that your your family
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: member just married and their family into the fold of
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: your family.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, my point is boys have emotions, you know
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: how girls girls have emotions and and and those emotions
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: are also connected to that weird sexual chemistry that's that's
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: going on in their teenage years. So yeah, but don't
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: rape teenage girls and don't rape teenage boys either. A
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: fucking well, doing that ship to a boy is just
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: as harmful as an adult doing to age girl. Don't
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: do it. Please don't fucking go and going oh nice,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: he just enjoyed it. Please don't do that, like, please don't. God,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: it's all fucking nanserrie at the end of the day. Please.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: In fact, people will do that to boys. They won't
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that girls also have that. They don't realize how
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: bad it was until later. I had a friend in
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: my four h club who when she hit high school,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: I was still I was still in junior high and uh,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: one of the junior high school teachers in fact, my
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: my first track coach, he raped her, and that's not
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: the way she saw it. She saw it as he
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: was her boyfriend. And the reason he got caught was
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: because the guidance counselor at my school, she built a
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: rapport with the girls in the school, you know, that
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: she was counseling on where to go to college and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: stuff like that by making small talk about the boyfriends.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: And this girl makes small talk about her boyfriend and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: let's slip that they're having sex. Well, then she lets
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: slip who it is, and of course the guidance counselor
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: is like, wait a minute, that's not a boyfriend, and
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: of course has to go and get the girl helped
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: out and everything. And she was very distraught over at
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: the situation initially because she felt like she had gotten
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: him into trouble wrongly, when in fact she had been victimized,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's society will help a girl in
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: that situation to understand, no, you've been victimized and you
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: can recover from this, and that's not the way a
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: relationship works, and you know, and so on, and they'll
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: give her therapy and all kinds of things because she's female.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: And they can recognize her victimhood. But if it had
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: been well, when it was the boy who was raped
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: by my gym teacher, she was just let go by
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: the school. She didn't go spend any years in jail.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody treated him like he'd been victimized.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: There were people that treated him like he had done
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: something wrong, and she got in trouble for it, And
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: to my knowledge, she moved on to another school and
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: ended up teaching there. And this woman was she was
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: an equal opportunity perv. By the way, she used to
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: watch us in the shower under the guise of making
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: sure that we did our proper hygienic you know, like
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: a bunch of fifteen sixteen year old girls with with
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: raging hormones that are crushing on at least one guy
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: in the school are going to run around being stinky
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: after gym class because that will definitely get us a date.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, she would.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: She would actually stand in the doorway of the shower
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: with a clipboard and watch to make sure that we
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: washed up, which you know, now, looking back, I don't
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: believe that that's what she was concerned about. So but
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: in any case, it's it's treated completely differently when the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: victim is a boy or when the perpetrator is a woman.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: You know, when parents complained about her doing that in
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: the locker room, they treated it like she was just
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: being over zealous about hygiene. I don't think she was
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: being anything about hygiene.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: This is and this is like male athletes competing against
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: female athletes, Like, well, it's not quite the same, but
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: I mean it is basically that. I mean, it's even
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: worse in a way depends on in the way that
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: men are physically stronger than women. I mean who is
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: sexually stronger men or women? I mean, it's about the same.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: It depends on a sport. Is the sport getting someone
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: to getting someone to be to be to pursue you,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: or is the sport persuading someone to accept your attention.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: It's it's hard to say because we don't have male
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: belly dancers.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Oh we do, We don't, Yeah, yeah, we don't. We
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: had with belly dancers that are male. One of my
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: friends was a male belly dancer, but his costume and
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: his moves were not the same as that the women
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: they were much In fact, he had this one dance
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: where he had a sword on his head, and it
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: was a very masculine dance, and it took quite a
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: bit of strength to do it.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: But and then you have to consider what people have
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: to what to watch on television, And indeed, in the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: streets outside every nightclub, did they see scantily clad males, Yeah,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: generally don't, but they do see teenage boys do see
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: women dress as whores everywhere, not just outside nightclubs, but everywhere,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: including on the television, including in movies, including everywhere. And
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: we might that drive them somewhere. I mean, what, what
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: does a male prostitute even wear?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: What depends on whether he's seeking male or female clients.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: This this thing is female clients. Is that? Yes, except
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: in the except in the West Indies where these go
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: to get male prostitutes.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: You are mistaken, sir. There are male prostitutes in the
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: United States right now that serve female clients. There are
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: there are women my age who Now a lot of
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: women in my age that want to do this. We'll
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: go to a foreign country because it's easier to not
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: get caught. But there are women my age who seek
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: out prostitutes who are young, homeless guys that they can
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: get away with exploiting. Plenty of cougars out there.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: It's just if you any parents that are raising his son.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: You want to make sure a young man knows that
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: there is absolutely nothing special about women in their forties
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: and fifties that makes them any kind of spectacular prospect.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot they should question about why she's
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: interested in them, because they're every bit is in fact
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: more predatory and pervy than than than men who seek
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: out younger women because they're younger, and not because they're
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: energetic or have new ideas, but because they're more naive
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: or you know whatever, less mature both sexes when they
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: do that, When when it's a deliberate like that's all
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: you're going to go for and you won't have anything
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: to do with people that can keep up with you,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: that's questionable, right, But it's not more questionable when when
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: men do it. It's just more questioned when men do it,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: and sometimes it's wrongly questioned. But this goes on, and
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: we're actually pretty close here to the end. Sorry, I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: keep putting my cursor up at the top, and then
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: when I hit it, I'm like I script the page
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: or open a tab or whatever, but to get it
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: out of my way. This thing though, that this inability
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: to see her own lack of compassion for actual in
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: cells in this article. I think that's probably the sickest,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: one of the sickest things I've seen a woman do.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: In one paragraph, she goes from recognizing some of these
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: boys were terribly bullied as as kids. Some of these
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: guys were terribly bullied as kids. They're lonely, they have
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: social handicaps, right and uh, and then it just jumps
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: to their contempt for women terms your stomach, like, have
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: you considered that if they have contempt for women, it
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: might be because they were terribly bullied by them when
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: they were boys or terribly bullied by girls when they
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: were born.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Not that couldn't be it. It's misogyny. Yeah, yep.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: My knees are the sluggiest of knees. Oh my gosh.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: And this is this is why I have doubts about
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: the existence of misogyny, Like, just give me a real
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: life example of actual misogyny, something that you can point
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: to and say, this is misogyny, this is this happens
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: in real life, and it is actual misogyny. The primary
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: reason why it happens is just out of an unfounded
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: hatred for women.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it's obviously founded.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: Well see that, if it's founded, it's not really misogynistic,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: it's it's a reaction to something.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Well, in that case, missry is founded by the education
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: system and the mass media that is taught women to
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: hate men.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not founded, it's caused.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Founded.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: Would be more like if every guy a woman knows
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: beat on her or called her a pig, or took
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: things away from her without her consent and without trading
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: anything in return, she and she hated men because of that,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: then it would be at least founded. There might be
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: a reason for it. Right, So it's theoretically possible, But
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: I've yet to meet that chick. Like sounded like, Oh,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: I say, what real life examples? What's a real, real,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: genuine example of misogyny where a guy hasn't spent his
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: whole life being abused by women, He hasn't been divorced,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: he hasn't been rejected, you know, nothing has given him
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: due cause to feel this way. But he's just misogynistic
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: because he looks down on women for no reason, you know,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's I haven't run into that. Anytime I've
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: run into a guy that other people would call misogynistic,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: when you examine his behavior, you trace it back to
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: something that women have done or some way that women
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: have failed him, and now he doesn't trust them. His
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: mother was abusive, his you know, he's been raped by
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: a woman, He's been lied about by a woman, first.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: The fast, the first fall, the second one, and the
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: third one.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see see, and so okay, but I've got a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: good reason.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, that's what I would say. Misogyny is possible,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: but it exists for a good reason.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, But mys andry, when you run into mystery, it's
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: almost ever like that, Like, you know, there's there are
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: women who have been rape victims, and yeah, you could,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: you could hate men for that if that was your
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: only experience, right, but most women have counter experiences to that.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Like my whole life, Sure, there were a very small
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: handful of guys that did horrible things to me, and
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: and a small handful of girls also that did horrible
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: things to me. My main experience, though, my most common
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: experience with male human beings of all ages, has been
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: that they've tried to help me in some way during
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: their association with me like that's helpfulness has been the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: primary quality of masculinity that I have encountered and the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: most common characteristic that I encounter in men and boys.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: And it's been that way at every stage of my
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: life from men and boys. During that stage of my
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: life that if I've had any length of time where
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: I've been a friend, a colleague, fellow, parishioner at a church,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: an educator, a student, you know whatever, family members, at
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: some point I've noticed that they tried to help me
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: on a regular basis, not just like one time. It's
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: not like that with women, not like that with girls.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Like there's been some, there's been some. I've had some
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: very good friends that have been kind to me and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: some family members that have been kind to me. But
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: the primary characteristic that I run into that I've experienced
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: from other women has been that they think they're better
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: than me, and if I do something to contradict that,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: they get offended.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: So we can say misery exists, but never for a
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: good reason, but misogyny exists for no good reason.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: Well, misogyny misogyny. I would put misogyny in a total
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: different category than mis injury because of that right. Miss
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: injury exists because women generalize one individual to the entire
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: male population.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: What gets called misogyny is often a response to a
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: common experience of meanness from women or lack of compassion
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: from women or females in general. Not just one person
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: does something wrong and then everybody's responsible for it. M hm,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: And you see what I mean. So I don't I
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: don't treat the two as equal, and so I don't
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: like to consider miss we not out. Yeah you know
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: how cute she is.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: Let's go clow up.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so, Well, I will go on with this,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: at it when it is at its best, when it
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: captures the men's twisted sexual hunger. This is the weirdest thing.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: Women they chant and you feel they're resentful, yearning. So
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: it keeps going back and forth. Right in souls supposed
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: to are supposed to hate women, Well I there. I
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: don't hate very many people, but I have experienced hatred,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: short bursts of hatred for people, and my response to
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: that feeling is to avoid the individual as much as
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: humanly possible. But that's just me. I think that's pretty
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: normal if you hate somebody, if you really hate, genuinely hate, somebody,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: You avoid them, right, You don't go seeking interactions with
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: them and talk about how much you wish you could
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: be together with them.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: Well, we get we get women in the forums on
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: occasion to come in and to stop. The forums a lot.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: Get women in the whats oh the forums?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Do they come in?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: Do they come in to uh talk because they consider
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: themselves in cells more often or because they want to
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: gawk at the in.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Cels go can get attention?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's kind of gross you're thinking about that.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be one thing if you know there
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: was there you go, I have I think I found
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: I found a way to mute Lauren. Hopefully that doesn't
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: keep her from talking as she wakes up. But like,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: it'd be one thing if you had a forum where
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: there was you know, discussion about politics or gaming and
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: it was you know, a debate forum, and somebody would
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: lurk just to see what people are thinking. But to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: lurk to leer at other people's pain is gross.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: And that's how we could insult this on Reddit Cheta piece.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: Oh they know they know who I am as well.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Oh well see there, then you're famous.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Early in the insult commally, I don't and don't key
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: refomps as well.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, guys, keile farms. It was it was really cool
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: when Kiwi farms disappeared for a while. It's about the
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: most I can say about Tiwi farms. But yeah, considering
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: this this complete again in that lack of compassion, right,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: wanting to be wanting to have intimacy, wanting to have
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: a partner is a is a twisted sexual hunger when
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: men experience it. That's that's what she's communicating here.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Well, so siety is more sympathetic towards firm cells than
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: the cells.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, wanting to have a male female wanting to
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: have a male partner is similarly toxic as a man
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: who wants to have.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: A There you go, Yeah, you know. I mean there
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: can be toxic things about your ideas about relationships, right
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: p uas I think it's the idea that sex is
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: transactional and relationships have to be transactional. That's toxic. You know,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: when you make a good relationship by finding somebody with
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: whom you have common values, common goals, and interests that
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: you like to spend time with that person and you
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: like to hear what they have to say, and you
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: like to tell them what you have to say, and
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: they enjoy hearing it, and they enjoy telling you what's
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: on their mind. You know, you have shared dreams, basically,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: and you share them with each other and enjoy the
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: sharing and and of course intimacy, sexual intimacy. But you
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: want to you know, you don't want to make that
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: into something that I did this for you. Now you
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: owe me something, Right, I got you an expensive gift
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: for your birthday, So for my birthday, you have to
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: get me something expensive. People who keep tabs like that
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: in relationships. That drives me nuts. And I think that's toxic.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: And I think the idea that you have to manipulate
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: someone into being loyal to you is toxic. And the
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: idea that you have to you have to have your
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: loyalty has to be earned after your love has been
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: earned and you've made a commitment to somebody, that your
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: loyalty has to continue to be earned by anything other
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: than meeting loyalty with loyalty. Right, you just build mutual
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: trust in a real relationship, you build mutual trust and
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: mutual dedication, and it's you and your partner against the world.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: In a lot of ways. But this toxic idea that
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: people have where it's it's got to be you know,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: he's he's gotta the guy's gotta continually romance the woman
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: in order to keep her interested in him, and she's
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: got to continually seduce him in order to keep him interested,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: not because it's fun, but just to keep him interested.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Because it is fun to to seduce, and it is
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: fun to romance your partner too, and both sexes should
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: get to do the fun parts of that, right, But
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: it's toxic to to think that one has to do
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: those things or it's it's the you know, goodbye to
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: the relationship. But so you can have toxic reasons for me.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that's what's going on with insults.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: It seems to me that this this writer has mentioned
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: a desire for intimacy and then referred to it as
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: a twisted sexual hunger, as if that's all they cared about.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: And Richard, didn't you say that in cells want relationships?
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, they want relationships basically so. But people
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: keep saying they should go see a sex work of
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: what they's stune what they want, sir.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Because a sex worker is somebody that gets paid to
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: leave after sex essentially, Yeah, which isn't really that much
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: of a relationship. Yeah. I think, by the way, the
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: first place I heard that was Paul Elam and I
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: think that he may have originated that. But a sex worker,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: it doesn't get paid, doesn't get paid just for sex.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: She gets paid to leave after sex. And I think
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of women do not understand and like the
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: difference between a man just wanting to get laid and
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: wanting a woman to leave afterward, and a man wanting
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: a companion. That's probably why so many women suck it
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: in paint companionship.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Charlie, she used to say that a lot as well.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's probably where it originated. Actually, it sounds
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: like the kind of perfect smart ass comment. He may
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: make one of my favorite smart asses. But yeah, so
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: goes on. The actress give a thoroughly fabulous performances. Oh
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: of course she would like those performances because they portray
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: men the way she wants to see them. And the
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: show includes breakouts of music. Oh god, it's a musical
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: about in cells that's a train wreck of music and
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: movie that artually reflect the men's sexual frustration in dance
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: and turn into then turn into expressions of enter turmoil
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: with wavy armed Kate Bush style emoting. These interludes are
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: very amusing, but perhaps repeated too often to a lessened act.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: Oh it gets old. Margaret is too conveniently a journalist
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: who wants to find out what makes these men tick.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: So this person actually this play actually targeted nominicates, does
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: does she?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Does she?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: It's it's like a standing for I guess.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, they really hated her? Wow? All too conveniently, she
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: makes all the intellectual counter challenging arguments against and seldom
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: throwing the Magdalene laundries and Irish laws around contraception into
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: the mix.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, what are.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: The Magdalene laundries? This is something that I am unfamiliar
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: with me too, Oh good, I'm not alone. Then I
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: realized Irish laws around contraception probably have to do with Catholicism.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because they got they banned the birth control
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: and a boy him over there.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: But what does that have to do with in seldom.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: They having insults her in charge?
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that that's quite uh. They have they looked at.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Who is.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Like there's always a leader and in an equivalent of
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: a first lady.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, still mute Lauren again?
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  Speaker 1: Do I need to unmute Lauren?
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  Speaker 2: Not mute, mute mute Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: Huh. Everybody else can hear her, but me, huh, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that sucks. Well I will unmute her. Well, let's see.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else to Uh, I know what
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  Speaker 1: I'll do.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, it just feels like punctuation. Yeah, every
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  Speaker 3: fifteen seconds you get a full stop.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's what That's what happens when you fall asleep
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  Speaker 1: at your computer. But somewhere in here there's actually a
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  Speaker 1: spot for being a f K and I can't find it. Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're almost done. I won't worry about it. It is adorable,
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  Speaker 1: and it is late and uh for where she is,
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  Speaker 1: especially after getting up early in the morning to go
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  Speaker 1: to work. See, I get lucky. I nap before the show,
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  Speaker 1: but it's because I work at night, so I don't
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  Speaker 1: get sleepy this time of night. I'm like waking up
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  Speaker 1: more as the show goes on, because normally I would
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  Speaker 1: be up until about ten o'clock tomorrow morning. So let's
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  Speaker 1: see here. So Margaret is pnomicicates, but a feminist version
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  Speaker 1: of phenomicates which doesn't make any fucking sense at all,
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  Speaker 1: but oh, okay, okay. The men threaten to dos her,
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  Speaker 1: and it is a potentially terrifying moment, especially in light
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  Speaker 1: of the misogynistic online threats that women all too often receive.
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  Speaker 1: But the danger here is too quickly neutered. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but it's pretty easy to newter that kind of danger.
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  Speaker 1: There's a block button, and if you really take the
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  Speaker 1: threat seriously, you think the person's actually going to show
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  Speaker 1: up on your doorstep, cops exist, You file a report
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  Speaker 1: like that's pretty simple, and then then the individual knows
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  Speaker 1: if anything happens to you, the cops are going to
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  Speaker 1: come talk to them. But the ending does not have
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  Speaker 1: the punch it might. She wanted something bad to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yet this play is gripping, queasily entertaining, and show signs
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  Speaker 1: of arresting original originality. I'm gonna throw up. Psychs is
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  Speaker 1: definitely one to watch. And that's that article. We will
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  Speaker 1: have to have you back, Richard, because it's nine o'clock here,
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  Speaker 1: which I think that makes it like what two am
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  Speaker 1: where you are?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's two am?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well stop, but we say we ought to stop.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm still an after show to do.
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  Speaker 3: Stop let us know when you want to stop, Richard.
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  Speaker 2: We still got off the show to do so yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And usually by the end of the Patriot Only after
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  Speaker 1: show it's like four o'clock in the morning in the UK,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, so yeah, yeah, that.
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  Speaker 2: Might come back. That might come back again next week.
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  Speaker 1: That would be cool, That would be awesome. Next week
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  Speaker 1: would be For the next week we will read about
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: this again. Men of the Manisphere review A truly terrifying hour.
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  Speaker 1: So apparently this is this is This one's a documentary
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  Speaker 1: according to its maker, but I kind of wonder how
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  Speaker 1: much of it is actually a real documentary versus this
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  Speaker 1: person's opinions wrapped around carefully cultivated or curated bits and
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  Speaker 1: pieces that you know, ad contract them. So but with that, well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you Richard for coming on with us. Thanks I'm
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  Speaker 1: Micha and Lauren for commentary and cuteness, the cuteness of
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  Speaker 1: the snores. Thanks thanks Brian for working in the background
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  Speaker 1: to make sure everything happens, because I still have not
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  Speaker 1: had the time to even like I haven't even set
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  Speaker 1: up my my obs set up on the new computer.
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  Speaker 1: And thanks to everybody for listening, because this has been
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  Speaker 1: quite an interesting, an interesting show. But in the meantime
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  Speaker 1: we got no super chats and no, I think, no
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  Speaker 1: rumble riants. But we did get a super chow from
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  Speaker 1: Meredith G who said, h bur Talk three eighty seven,
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  Speaker 1: honey for the Badgers and gave us five dollars
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  Speaker 2: And good night, all, good night,