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Ep 40: Derby Day Disaster! · Let's Kick It Off!

• 0:00
  Ash, what was that Ricky Hatton story you were going to mention?
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  You said you got a story in the chat.
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  Oh, you know, the old Windsor club, yeah.
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  So never in my life as it has there been like an illegal lock
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  in. And they did one for that, for
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  the Mayweather fight. So like.
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  OK. I remember like there was like
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  30 of us and yeah, we, I think we all like waited till like
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  about 2:00 in the morning, maybe even 3:00 in the morning.
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  And then like we went down to the old Windsor Club.
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  Yeah, whatever time it started, like half four, yeah.
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  Yeah. Oh, this makes sense then,
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  because I I ordered the fight at home and I had like a few people
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  around, including Chesney and I'm trying to work out how was I
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  in that position Where well, one, I probably ordered it on
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  box office and didn't tell dad and two.
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  Where was I? Yeah.
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  Where were you? Yeah.
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  So that makes sense. Yeah.
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  Because that's actually how how me and Chesney are friends
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  because he's in the year below at Winter Boys.
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  We're at the we're at the bus stop outside Windsor, boys.
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  And I'm talking to some other people about watching the fight
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  round ours on Saturday. And then Chess is waiting for
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  the bus as well to go back to Old Windsor.
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  Well. Can I come?
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  Yeah, he overhears the combo and goes, oh, can I come round as
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  well? And then that's.
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  Classic chairs, to be fair. Chancer I think that's the fight
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  that got me kind of into because I remember you like kind of
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  watching Lewis, like vaguely like Lewis Tyson, all that type
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  of stuff. But I was too young.
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  But then the Hatton Mayweather one is the one I really remember
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  like wanting to watch. And do you remember it was
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  during the O seven O 8 season and Mayweather wore the United
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  kit to piss off Hatton and it it was the kit that we won the
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  Champions League in against Chelsea because it was that
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  season. Yeah, those were the days.
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  Let's kick it off. I'm Steve and I'm joined by Ash
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  as Ron and Scott and we're only a few weeks into the season but
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  it's the second emergency pod we've had to pull out the big
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  guns again and that's because Manchester United lost three nil
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  to Manchester City in the Derby at the Etihad on Sunday.
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  Two goals from Holland, one from Foden and another embarrassing
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  defeat against Manchester City over the years we've had
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  recently. So Ron, I'm going to come to you
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  first because I think you moved heaven and earth to get onto
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  this pod. So I want to come to you first
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  on the performance. I'm sure we'll talk about
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  someone's job later and I'm not talking about Scott's.
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  And tell tell me about the performance on the pitch.
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  What did you make of our performance against Manchester
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  City? What did I make of it?
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  More of the same, really. You know, for me, it's like
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  that. We're just going around in
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  circles at the moment. I actually thought funnily
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  enough we started off OK. If we break down the game, the
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  1st 10 minutes, 15 minutes, pretty good.
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  We had probably 3 or 4 opportunities on the break to
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  him. Didn't quite get the pass right
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  in the end. But then, you know, the story
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  starts and it's really more of the same 3 shocking goals to
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  give away. The first Bruno, but actually
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  started off with Luke Shaw, who really was very soft in the
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  challenge. You know, he was very square on
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  instead of being sort of shaping his body to try and get a tackle
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  in. And then the ball comes in and
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  Bruno loses folding completely. So we saw that in the Fulham
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  game a couple of weeks back when you know the equaliser they
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  scored again, I think it was Bruno not not really tracking
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  his man and they scored from that.
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  And it was similar again on Sunday.
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  And then I thought we sort of City were in the game, you know
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  they were, they were very good. They sort of controlled
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  possession, controlled the game for about 1520 minutes or
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  something that fast half. But we started to sort of get to
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  grips better with the game. I thought as the first half
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  progressed, went in one nil down at half time.
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  Second-half came out again, started very well, first 5 or 6
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  minutes in the second-half and then the second goal again, you
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  know, that was a very sloppy goal to give away.
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  You know, how Luke Shore and Harry was it McGuire and I was
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  delayed, you know, couldn't really handle Holland.
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  That just shouldn't be happening at sort of this level of level
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  of football. And then again, the third goal,
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  you know, a counter attack space and behind and Holland with a
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  great finish. So it was it was really
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  disappointing from that perspective.
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  But you know, ultimately results speak for themselves.
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  And you know, if we look at the record now that Ruben has eight
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  wins out of 31 games, win ratio of 25%, we're back to the
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  scoring board. Yeah, interesting.
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  I mean, you acknowledge that we had like a decent open in 10
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  minutes. I was watching it with Scott and
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  I think, you know, we thought the same.
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  We were kind of getting into the final third.
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  So I'm really intrigued to hear from us because the Let's Kick
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  It Off community are quite concerned because I've not heard
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  from him in a while, so thankfully he's alive #1 #2.
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  What did you make of the game as from your perspective, how did
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  you see it? Did you think that we played
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  well at all or? Yeah.
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  What? What did you make of it?
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  Do you mean they worry about me? I've been around.
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  I was on the last pod. They not listen to the podcast.
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  Wait, Seven days is a long time in football.
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  That's the price. I was just doing my maths and I
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  was like Ron just said we've won a out of 31.
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  I'm sure that's more than 25%. It's it's, it's 26% run 25.8.
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  Get it right. We'll give you, we'll give you
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  26. Good stats though.
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  Is that Gary rounding? Gary rounding?
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  Yeah, exactly. What was the?
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  Question, you want to know what the loss is percentage out of
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  that? No, no, no.
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  What was the question against? No, I genuinely, I genuinely
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  want to know whether you think how, how you think we played.
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  Yeah, no, we didn't play well, right?
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  You lose 3 nil. It was.
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  It was. It was 3/2 on XG though.
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  Yeah, it was. I mean, I, I kind of runs
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  analysis I think was basically spot on.
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  We started the game well and then stupid goal, silly goal we
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  hadn't. We've got a good defence, that's
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  what you keep telling us. No, I keep I I I keep saying
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  that the we probably need the extra man at the back because we
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  need the extra bodies and the bodies were there, but Bruno
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  doesn't track. I was a bit lucky because it
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  like, you know, it kind of fumbles around off Agate I
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  think. But if Bruno tracks Foden,
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  there's enough players in the box to stop that goal.
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  And then the the second one, I thought that was just class City
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  play. I keep saying Harlan's the best
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  striker in the world and he just bullied.
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  Sure. And great finish.
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  He should have scored another one.
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  I remember when I was thinking, man, why didn't I kept him in
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  FPL? He's like an open goal, missed
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  opportunity situation. Right.
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  And he sure, he should have had a hat trick and the the one
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  where it was a thing was a third goal, wasn't it, where he's on
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  side in his own half. You're like, this is, yeah,
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  comical, comical. But what what finished?
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  You know, if if you know Cesco's in the same position, He's not.
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  It was it was a Clark class from Harland.
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  So, yeah, we didn't play well. We didn't deserve to get
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  anything from the game. I thought City were better than
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  they've been, you know, so far this season.
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  They really stepped it up and we individually, there's a lot of
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  players who got him, made a lot of individual errors.
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  I thought sure was poor. I didn't.
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  I didn't get Reuben's team selection.
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  It was a bit weird. I mean, I don't know if you want
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  to talk about that. I thought when Cunha and Mount
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  were out, who are big losses, I think they've started the season
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  really well. I really thought he'd put Bruno
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  into that right left hand 10 role.
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  He played Amad there, which is just, I was like when I saw, I
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  don't know you guys, when I saw the team selection, like where's
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  Amad playing? I don't get it.
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  I didn't understand where he been for the last 9-10 months.
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  You know what he's going to do. I've never seen Amad play left
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  wing. Oh no, it's not the conservative
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  thing. I would have been just as
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  conservative. I mean, we were discussing it
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  last week. I was like, oh, I can imagine
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  he'll bring in an extra, but I thought he'd play the extra
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  midfielder and put blue no up one basically.
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  So I don't think that wasn't being more more or less
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  conservative. I was just surprised that Kobe
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  didn't start, was a bit weird. He explained he.
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  Made a comment didn't he, about a man played during the week in
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  the international game as one of the number 10s on the left hand
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  side and pre match. Ruben had sort of alluded to
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  that when they asked him the question.
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  Oh, I'm out in the 10. And that's what he'd said.
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  But he explained Kobe. He didn't, Yeah, but he
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  explained about Kobe before the game with Sky, he said like he
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  didn't want like another like dribbler, extra body in central
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  midfield. He wanted a dribbler.
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  So no, that's why. Yeah, fair enough.
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  But I was just surprised. I was surprised.
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  I've never seen Ahmed play left side.
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  So I was, I was thinking we're doing our team of the years.
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  I was reminiscing about that where Steve put Imbumo on left
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  and we were joking about it. But you know, Steve clearly you
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  know about, you know, things about Reuben and how he could,
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  you know, play, play players out of positions.
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  That was a bit odd. But yeah, generally speak the
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  the annoying thing was as definitely City deserved to win.
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  I felt we had lots of these situations where the execution,
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  the final execution was just lacking.
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  There was just these moments. We're at 4:00 on 4/3 on three
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  where the past was bad. Dogu had a lot of situations
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  like that. We're like, Dogu's there.
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  There's three men charging the box and he hits the first man
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  and just like oh come on, please pass it to your team mate.
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  So not just that, it just cut cut him back as well.
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  Like when you should be taking the guy on.
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  I thought he was really poor. Yeah, I don't, I don't think
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  like his his general, like he defended quite well and he had a
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  lot of energy and he was really important in the press.
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  But on the ball in the final third I just felt if only we had
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  someone bet or he was better in those moments and at 22 sorry
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  two nil as well. There was and and Bomo had a
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  really great shot. Great say from Donna rumour if
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  that goes in you're wondering. Oh so that you know it was
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  closer than the three nil but I think City 3 point well
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  deserved. Yeah.
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  OK. Yeah, I was in.
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  I was asked interested to ask you because you know, there's a
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  a lot of fans, Man United fans out there that are kind of back
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  in the fact that we're playing better than the results are
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  suggesting. So I thought I would ask that
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  question. Ash, I want to hear from you.
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  Anything you'd want to add to kind of the summary we've heard
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  so far? And did you see anything
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  differently? No, I I thought the boys spot
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  on. I'd I'd say probably the only
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  insight from my side was I think it was about 20 odd minutes in,
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  maybe before even the goal to what Ron was saying about
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  execution of that final pass or that, you know, final cross in
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  good areas. We just kept on messing it up
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  and I just thought we're really, really poor team as in I don't
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  you know, obviously you know, my thoughts on the coaching element
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  of it, but I'm really interested to know like if like we had a
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  competent manager, like just how good this team would be.
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  I think the ceiling's quite high still, but like I did think like
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  this is just a really bang average team just generally.
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  So not even comparing against United.
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  Great. It's just if I was just a
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  neutral watching that game, I just think that's a really
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  uncoordinated and lacking confidence team.
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  You can see even in the defence and I think as weeks go by, it
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  feels like, you know, the confidence is just going to
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  strip away. The attack looks blunt even
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  though XG might suggest otherwise.
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  I think the other thing on xga, lot of those chances were
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  created once it was like 2-3 nil.
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  So it's kind of like, you know, does doesn't really matter.
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  It's like the six three a couple of years ago, right.
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  So yeah, I mean, yeah, not not much really further to add to be
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  honest, really. So Scott, you can vouch for the
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  fact that I did just before kickoff say I've got a bad
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  feeling and I did say 3 nil city, right?
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  So first of all, you can vouch for me on that.
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  And secondly, yeah, what did you make of the performance?
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  I know what you made of the performance because I was
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  sitting next to you and you're complaining for 90 minutes.
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  But tell the Tell the listeners what you made of it.
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  No, I think well, the guys are some job pretty well, to be
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  honest. Yeah, didn't play well.
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  Formation, starting lineup was questionable, no matter what the
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  stats tell you. I know I saw the I think you
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  shared the stats wasn't whether we had more possession and more
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  passes. Don't mean anything, doesn't
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  take I'm going to can't get in the back of the net and
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  unfortunately they've got a striker they can get back in the
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  net and we haven't. So they've got a goalkeeper as
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  well. So yeah, I've got nothing else
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  to add against that performance. Typical.
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  It's the same thing. It's just their teams find us
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  out all the time. You know, 1st 1015 minutes, you
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  look OK, it's exactly the same thing and follow them.
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  Did exactly the same thing against Arsenal and they they
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  find us out, which is right through the core of the team
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  unfortunately. What about you, Steve?
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  Yeah, not surprised like I thought.
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  I thought we would lose before kick off.
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  I I could understand the case for people saying oh, I can see
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  US winning or getting a result. You know, based on the facts
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  that Ruben has looked solid against better teams in the past
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  and City where on the back of a couple of defeats.
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  I could understand that. But I'll be honest, I don't
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  trust these guys. Luke Shaw making these mistakes
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  is not a surprise. You can't trust this guy.
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  You cannot trust this guy. We get excited.
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  He plays a good game once every season in a big game.
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  We get excited. Oh, he can play.
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  He can play the season. He hasn't played more than five
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  games and God knows how long. His mate Mason Mount, who's
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  probably at McDonald's with him the night before, that guy can't
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  be trusted either. These guys have let us down year
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  after year after year. So I don't trust any of these
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  lot. So let's get on to the elephant
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  in the room now, because Reuben Ameren, your record, my friend,
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  is fucking atrocious. It's the worst Premier League
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  record we've ever seen in our whole lives as Manchester United
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  fans. That is fact.
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  That is not opinion, right? So that is a fact.
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  Even the Reuben Inn people can, cannot dispute that, right?
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  These are facts. You know, Ron mentioned the
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  stats earlier as well. So the question is, is Reuben
• 15:44
  Ameren the right man to take us forward?
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  So before we come on to your views, I did put a poll out in
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  the Manchester United community today just to get a feel.
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  You know, there's only twenty of us in there, but you know, it's
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  a decent representation, so. 20,000 a few months time.
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  Yeah, exactly. But I guess, you know, I could
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  have put the poll as the options as Reuben in or Reuben out.
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  We know there's a bit more new and nuance to life.
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  So I try to do it as a bit of a scale, whether people are 100%
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  Reuben in, 100% Reuben out. And I think Scott, Ash and Ron,
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  you're fully Reuben out on the Reubenometer.
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  And then in terms of the rest of the guys and there's no girls in
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  there, the rest of the guys in there, it's it's basically
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  split. So you've got 6-6 people that
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  are saying essentially don't sack him because, and the reason
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  I put next to it was they can't take another manager.
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  So you've got kind of half of the guys on that side saying
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  they just they can't go through that cycle again and about half
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  saying he has to go. So Ron, again, I'm going to come
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  to you on this one. There's no way back for Reuben,
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  right? In your opinion?
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  There was no way back for Reuben after the Europa League final
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  and yet he's still here. To your point around record, I
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  think you've been kind to him to say in our lifetime he's the
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  worst Premier League manager that was, he's the worst United
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  manager that we've had since the Second World War.
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  If you look at the stats, his win ratio is 36 and I was just
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  for you in terms of the exact percentage of 36.17% is his win
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  ratio. That's the worst since the
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  Second World War. You can.
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  Talk about with McGinnis, Frank O'farrell, Dave Sexton, They all
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  had better win rates than Mr Ruben Amarim.
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  The feature is Blake. The question you've got to ask
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  yourself is can this guy turn it around?
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  Because if he, if you believe he can, then fine, we stick with
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  him. But if you really ask yourself
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  the question, is this guy capable of turning it around?
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  And there's no point hoping that we think he can because the last
• 17:56
  year or so shows to us that he hasn't shown anything.
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  You know, we've had a great result against Man City away
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  this time last year. But apart from that, I'm trying
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  to think of a result that he's pulled out and I can't think of
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  1 apart from Man City. Yes, we've had the glimpses in
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  the Europa League games, you know, the semi finals, the
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  moments, you know, Harry Maguire, Kobe menu, last minute
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  goals, but in terms of an actual win, apart from the Man City
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  game, I can't think of 1 result. And the biggest flaw of course
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  is we can keep coming back to it as a system.
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  You know, you've got to get the best out of your players and
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  unfortunately this system is really hindering the players
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  from performing at their absolute best.
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  We spoke about it on the last part and we'll talk about it
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  again. Our best player over the last
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  four to five seasons has been Bruno Fernandez, playing him
• 18:45
  deeper in the central midfield role he cost US against Fulham.
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  And it wasn't only just him to be fair, but you know, he was
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  partly to blame for the goal and again, the first goal against
• 18:54
  Man City yesterday. He, it's just not his game.
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  He's not going to be able to be disciplined enough going back
• 19:00
  the other way. Get him doing what he does best
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  and that is creating in the number 10 position.
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  We talk about wingbacks. She made a really good point
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  earlier about dual goo and the quality.
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  You know, we've got dual goo, we've got on the other side if
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  Ahmed plays wing back or we've got Dalo, we've got Mazzarowi
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  playing higher than Bruno Fernandez who's playing deeper.
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  That in any system just doesn't make any sense to me.
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  So if we're going to continue with this guy, he's not going to
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  change. He said it since day one.
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  He confirmed that yesterday again when asked by the media.
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  He's not going to change his system.
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  So unfortunately this is only going to end one way and we've
• 19:38
  seen in a roundabout pre Christmas we've seen going back
• 19:42
  to Ollie Mourinho 10 hog unfortunately the writings on
• 19:46
  the wall pre Christmas. If this continues, here'd be
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  another one to add to the the Christmas Present list.
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  Us being genuine here, not, not not Dreamland or what you would
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  like to happen. Can you see Ruben turning this
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  around? Oh.
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  Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's possible.
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  It doesn't. That's not the question.
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  No, no. Can you see it happening?
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  As in, do you believe it will happen?
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  I don't think it'll happen, no, but I can.
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  It's possible, Yeah. I don't, I don't think there's
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  any reason to think he'll turn it around, right?
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  Because it's, it's been so bad that, you know, 25.830 whatever
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  on all the stats, all those managers I've never heard of
• 20:32
  that you're naming as well that he's worse.
• 20:35
  I don't think there's any reason to say that he should turn it
• 20:37
  around. The question is the real
• 20:40
  question is, you mentioned Steve, this player's a disgrace.
• 20:45
  This other one's a disgrace. You can't trust them, right?
• 20:47
  And then, you know, this one's lacking confidence or what you
• 20:52
  know, how much do you associate that with the manager?
• 20:54
  And if a new manager comes in, do those players stop being a
• 20:57
  disgrace and we start winning games or are they still a
• 21:02
  disgrace? It's it's twofold.
• 21:04
  I think the manager will add or bring a certain element to a
• 21:09
  team and you know can make players perform and then you
• 21:12
  are, it is also going to depend on the quality of the squad.
• 21:15
  So I don't think you know they are, they are two separate
• 21:18
  points essentially. So I believe a manager quite
• 21:21
  clearly could do better than Ruben is doing because it's not
• 21:24
  hard basically. But I still don't trust those
• 21:27
  players because I've always said this, my goal is to get back to
• 21:30
  number one. I'm not interested in finishing
• 21:33
  7th or 8th. So right, I think you need but
• 21:35
  you need both so. This is this is this is now the
• 21:37
  next question, right? Do you?
• 21:43
  If he's trying to do a rebuild, why so you mentioned the the the
• 21:48
  survey 6 and I don't know what the numbers were, but the city
• 21:53
  game should not have changed your opinion about Reuben
• 21:55
  staying or going right? You need to you need to give
• 21:57
  this a bit more time. I don't I think it's going to
• 22:00
  fail, but to to sack him now would be just weird.
• 22:03
  You if you were to sack him now, it's because you wanted him gone
• 22:06
  in the summer like Ron and Ash wanted him gone, which make
• 22:09
  makes sense. You, you you haven't changed
• 22:11
  your mind, but the people who wanted to keep him, such as
• 22:14
  yourself and me, we should be a question for you.
• 22:19
  You did a fan survey as well on who do you think would win the
• 22:22
  league. Did anyone say Man City?
• 22:25
  Yes, a couple of people. So there are certain people out
• 22:28
  there who and that's not as crazy.
• 22:31
  This is City under Guardiola, have won many seven Premier
• 22:34
  League titles since we've won one and we're going to their
• 22:38
  home. So to lose against them is like
• 22:40
  we lost, we've lost against them under 10 hog under Ollie, under
• 22:43
  Mourinho and everyone, right. So that's not a big deal.
• 22:47
  This result shouldn't change your mind.
• 22:50
  What's more interesting is the games coming up up to the
• 22:54
  international break, Chelsea, Brentford, Sunderland and then
• 22:58
  post that as well. I wouldn't sack him now.
• 23:03
  I think though, the trend is suggesting he will not be able
• 23:06
  to succeed and he will eventually go and then we're
• 23:08
  going to have to have a decision on who you're going to bring.
• 23:11
  And then the next question is, you made the point, Steve.
• 23:14
  I want someone who's I'm not interested in just stabilising.
• 23:19
  So your next guy, is it the guy who's stabilising or do you have
• 23:24
  someone in mind to win the league?
• 23:26
  And that's the bigger problem is that I keep saying the same
• 23:29
  thing overnight. The last two that you picked
• 23:32
  though, have been fired finishing eighth and you know,
• 23:35
  potentially 15 seventeenth again.
• 23:38
  So you need to, you need to think about like where we are as
• 23:42
  a club because you you say all the time patience, patience.
• 23:46
  So therefore I'm. Not talking about what I'm
• 23:48
  talking about. Don't talk about me.
• 23:50
  Talk about Steve. You need to tell Steve this,
• 23:52
  that he. Needs no, his plan, his plan is
• 23:55
  is like a five year long term plan, right?
• 23:57
  So he's patient enough that we're not gonna win the league
• 24:01
  for the next 2-3 years. So I don't know if he needs a
• 24:03
  state, a stabiliser guy 1st and then the cherry on top.
• 24:07
  But the point is, like you keep saying, like we need these like
• 24:11
  high ceiling managers, but we're not at that level, these players
• 24:15
  that you love. They're not that level.
• 24:17
  They're not like they can't stay, they can't stay fit.
• 24:21
  And this is they've shown over a multitude of years that they
• 24:24
  can't do it. Of all the managers we've had
• 24:28
  that are willing to make a significant change, Ruben's come
• 24:32
  in and gotten these players aren't good enough.
• 24:34
  I'm bomb squatting half of you. I'm bringing in new guys and
• 24:38
  that's going to take like the guys he's brought in look decent
• 24:41
  to me. Cuna and Burmo, right?
• 24:43
  They look decent. And so he's got the same
• 24:48
  opinion. That takes a bit of time.
• 24:49
  So that's the thing. He's ruthless.
• 24:52
  He's he's ruthless with these players.
• 24:54
  He has high standards and he's won a couple of league titles.
• 24:58
  Yeah, in Portugal. Let's let, let's get that right.
• 25:00
  Like I'm, I'm sick and tired of like hearing this because it's
• 25:03
  like it's Portugal and it's actually 2-3 years ago now,
• 25:07
  right? It's like it's in the past, like
• 25:09
  football moves on very quickly. And also, can I, can I ask us
• 25:12
  because you, you've made this point in the past, right?
• 25:14
  You you've said if something's not working, yeah, why stick
• 25:19
  with it? So you.
• 25:20
  You. You just said a minute ago this
• 25:22
  isn't going to work, essentially.
• 25:23
  So why? Why are you?
• 25:24
  Why are you sticking with it? Well, come on to me.
• 25:26
  We don't need to talk about me. We'll talk about you first.
• 25:29
  I've already declared my position a few weeks ago and
• 25:31
  that's not changed. What about you?
• 25:33
  You're saying it's not going to work, so why are you sticking?
• 25:35
  I'm saying it's it's it's unlikely to work, but I think
• 25:39
  that if you've decided, like I had in the summer, that we
• 25:42
  should let it let it go. You need to give him more to
• 25:45
  this is not the right time now after what is it 4 league games?
• 25:49
  Is it for how many league games we played?
• 25:50
  Four. You can't you can't go.
• 25:52
  Oh, you know what had one opinion and four games later,
• 25:56
  I've got a different opinion that just that would make mean
• 25:58
  I'm I'm I'm a psychopath. So no, it no, it would mean that
• 26:02
  you look at what what happens and you and you change your
• 26:05
  mind. There's no crime in these four
• 26:07
  games. It's that like we've picked up
• 26:10
  one win against Burnley. It doesn't matter.
• 26:12
  The four in the four games, nothing's drastic.
• 26:14
  That OK The one thing that would change my mind.
• 26:16
  We lost to Grimsby. No, that, that, that, that, that
• 26:19
  is shocking that I can't defend. But the one thing that would
• 26:22
  change my mind is, and I don't know this answer, we'd need to
• 26:25
  ask the dressing room, have you lost faith in the manager?
• 26:28
  If they've lost faith in the manager, get rid of him
• 26:31
  tomorrow. What's rid of take?
• 26:33
  What's rid of him from the outside?
• 26:35
  No. What's your take from the
• 26:36
  outside? Looking in?
• 26:38
  It doesn't. Feel like it.
• 26:39
  It feels I've. Got I've got some, I've got some
• 26:41
  Intel on this. So when I dropped you off Scott
• 26:44
  and I was driving back home, the trusted source that is talk
• 26:47
  sport, I think Alan Pargi said they're hearing on the Grapevine
• 26:51
  that the players are now unhappy.
• 26:53
  He specifically mentioned Bruno is not happy.
• 26:56
  And if you think about it, this actually makes sense, right?
• 26:59
  Because when you trace it back to that Fulham game and he hit,
• 27:01
  he had that weird ass reaction with the with the ref bumping
• 27:05
  him. You only have that type of
• 27:07
  reaction if you are holding something.
• 27:09
  Kim, right. We've all been there When you
• 27:11
  when you just erupt and that's because you're pissed off or
• 27:14
  something's going on. So I can see that and and Bruno
• 27:17
  is the one playing in the two right where we can all see he's
• 27:20
  been overrun. So those noises are now coming
• 27:23
  out. Did anyone see the Bruno
• 27:26
  interview after the game? Yes, I was going to mention that
• 27:29
  that was. Really telling because even
• 27:34
  though he was obviously talking about how Yoro had to, you know,
• 27:38
  push up, I think that was almost like a dig, like the strategy
• 27:44
  and, yeah, the way they're playing as a team.
• 27:47
  I don't know. Scott, did you see the
• 27:49
  interview? What did he think?
• 27:51
  Yeah. The whole I think what has just
• 27:56
  said about Padre, I just actually listened to that this
• 27:58
  morning and it it it's a bit damning.
• 28:02
  And I think Reuben mentioned it Grimsby where the players just
• 28:07
  basically, they didn't even bother turning up.
• 28:11
  And then when he starts getting those kind of segments within
• 28:15
  the in the dressing room that just don't believe in the
• 28:18
  manager, then I think, you know, as is, right?
• 28:20
  It's just you've got to get rid of him quickly because you can't
• 28:23
  wait until the next international.
• 28:25
  You can't wait until Christmas. Too late.
• 28:27
  We'll never, we won't finish in the top half.
• 28:29
  And you know, if even if that's an option at the moment.
• 28:34
  So yeah, no, I just it, it, the scenario I use is like it's it's
• 28:39
  like your wife coming to you and saying I'm going to divorce you
• 28:42
  if you don't change. And then a couple of months
• 28:45
  later, you've got your head in your hands and you were you're
• 28:48
  wondering why you're divorced. Is that stubborn?
• 28:53
  He just, he needs to look at it and kind of go, I understand the
• 28:56
  philosophy, A philosophy doesn't get implemented from day one and
• 29:01
  you stick with it. You have to adapt.
• 29:04
  And at the moment he has an inability to adapt to this
• 29:09
  league. And at the moment he can't find
• 29:11
  a winner, can't buy a win. So I just look at it and kind of
• 29:14
  go, if he's that stubborn in this type of league, which is
• 29:20
  absolutely punishing, then isn't somebody not knocking on his
• 29:25
  door to say, no, you've got to change something?
• 29:26
  I said this last time, somebody has to say something to him to
• 29:30
  say, look, you've got to get results.
• 29:33
  It might mean that you've got to throw your philosophy out the
• 29:35
  window to the time being to get results because otherwise
• 29:39
  confidence is going to get lower.
• 29:41
  Why is it going to start revolving and then he's going to
• 29:43
  be out the door and he's going to look back on it and kind of
• 29:46
  go and I wish I'd changed something.
• 29:47
  He's a young manager, but I think he's very naive with this.
• 29:52
  He's got to look at it from a Plan B perspective.
• 29:54
  At the moment he doesn't have one and he keeps talking about
• 29:57
  it doesn't matter about the formation, it's clearly does.
• 30:00
  You can clearly see it. This doesn't work anywhere else.
• 30:04
  It's not been proven anywhere else.
• 30:06
  So how does he think this is going to work?
• 30:09
  And when you've got players in positions, we do not have a
• 30:12
  natural wingback. So why play wingbacks?
• 30:15
  There's not one natural wing back in that team that can
• 30:18
  actually create 10/15/20 plus assists each year and score 5 or
• 30:24
  10 goals. You know, there's nothing being
• 30:27
  created and you know, one's right in terms of you've got
• 30:31
  your, you know, your number 10, your best number 10 for the past
• 30:34
  few years playing inside the midfield and that side of
• 30:37
  midfield position. He he can't play it.
• 30:41
  And. And the goal that folding
• 30:43
  scored, Yeah, OK, you can argue that we should have cut the
• 30:46
  cross out. The tackle should have been a
• 30:47
  bit more stronger. There's a little bit of luck
• 30:49
  with the deflection. And then, yeah.
• 30:52
  But it was his man. He let his man go.
• 30:54
  He's a centre midfielder. There's no discipline there with
• 30:57
  the guy. So right, head towards.
• 31:02
  Me because I think Bruno, you know, I don't blame him for
• 31:09
  these goals, like the Fulham goal and like the City goal
• 31:11
  because you know what, he's what he's like.
• 31:14
  He's played at this club for like 6-7 years.
• 31:17
  The big decision and Steve, we discussed it on the pod a few
• 31:20
  weeks ago was when the Saudi move was there to be done,
• 31:24
  right? Because as a club they should
• 31:27
  have realised we either have to play around Bruno, based his
• 31:32
  whole team around Bruno or sell him because that's what Ollie
• 31:35
  did. That's how Ollie got the best
• 31:37
  out of him, right? Like we put bodies around him so
• 31:40
  that he could focus on creating, didn't have to worry about
• 31:43
  running or tracking, right, because we had Mcfred and that's
• 31:46
  what you got to do as a manager or even as a football club, like
• 31:49
  have foot, have a football idea. And that's what we've
• 31:52
  questioned, right, with Omar Barada, does he really know what
• 31:55
  he's doing? Because he brought in a manager
• 31:57
  who plays wing backs and a system that this club just, it's
• 32:01
  just never agreed with, right. But like, I am going to defend
• 32:04
  Bruno on this, like I, I hear it every week.
• 32:06
  Like he's not tracking back. Fine.
• 32:09
  But we've all played with footballers who don't track
• 32:11
  back. So you play to their strengths.
• 32:13
  You can't keep blaming the guy as much as it is like his fault
• 32:18
  in terms of those moments. But yeah, it's, it's one of
• 32:21
  those rare occasions I'm going to defend him in terms of like
• 32:25
  the player side of it. I'm way more worried about the
• 32:28
  manager than I am about the players.
• 32:31
  Just going back to the point about adapting, you know, I
• 32:33
  thought Guardiola's comments post match were telling even
• 32:36
  he's adapting. This is the best manager well
• 32:39
  since Fergie and he is adapting. So Ruben isn't going to adapt,
• 32:45
  unfortunately. That's why the writing's on the
• 32:46
  wall. You know, this system doesn't
• 32:48
  work, hasn't worked. I know Conte won it with
• 32:50
  Chelsea, but he had, you know, Matage and Kante.
• 32:54
  Was it in midfield? He had dynamic midfield players
• 32:57
  that could run. He had a world class we don't
• 32:59
  have run and a world class goalkeeper, Yeah.
• 33:02
  Absolutely he hasn't. He's never, he's never been seen
• 33:04
  before, though, has it? That's the thing that, that,
• 33:07
  that you've not seen it ever again.
• 33:10
  It it, you know, it's once in a Millennium.
• 33:12
  There's a reason why managers don't play this right.
• 33:14
  There's a reason behind it. Look at the data, it tells you
• 33:17
  everything you need to know. So why is it we think this is
• 33:20
  going to work? And for me, the longer this goes
• 33:22
  on, the harder it is. The biggest indictment to me was
• 33:26
  yesterday when Gary Neville said it doesn't even hurt anymore.
• 33:31
  And you know, Steve, before we came on, to me, it's like you
• 33:34
  compare it to breaking up with a girlfriend and actually doesn't
• 33:38
  hurt anymore. We don't care anymore.
• 33:40
  Why? Because actually, that relation
• 33:42
  didn't matter anymore. And is that what our fans are
• 33:44
  feeling at the moment? That's what you know, that's
• 33:46
  what it's coming to. This has gone on for so long now
• 33:48
  that the longer this continues, the more it just becomes part of
• 33:51
  our life. It's just the norm that
• 33:53
  Manchester United are losing football matches.
• 33:56
  Here's another start for you. 17 teams in the Premier League.
• 33:59
  I'm going to discount the three that got relegated, the three
• 34:02
  that got promoted this season. Out of those 17, United have
• 34:06
  bottomed since Ameren joined. How low does it need to go?
• 34:12
  As you may, you're talking about you don't believe it's going to
• 34:15
  change, but four games in, you can't fire him, but you can't
• 34:20
  move away from the stats, the data, It's all heading in One
• 34:24
  Direction. Yes, one thing I made point on
• 34:27
  the on the last part for me like you have to wipe last season and
• 34:30
  start again because it's it's a fresh start.
• 34:33
  So I will give him. That is it though.
• 34:34
  I mean, this is the continuation of last season.
• 34:36
  Why? Why would it be a fresh start?
• 34:39
  Because this is the thing like this is the question of do you
• 34:43
  think this is a really good group of players that is being
• 34:48
  mismanaged or are there issues that he's trying to resolve?
• 34:52
  Like did he do the right thing with this with Garnacho Anthony,
• 34:55
  etcetera, etcetera. And he making all these big.
• 34:58
  He's made quite large changes to the squad and he keeps looking
• 35:02
  to make large changes to the squad.
• 35:04
  A few new signings have come in that you know, do you do you
• 35:07
  give him a bit of time? I think you if you if you were
• 35:10
  keeping him, you have to give him a bit of time because we've
• 35:13
  played four games of which two of the one and two 1-2 of the
• 35:18
  top three teams in the league, right?
• 35:21
  One of them we played quite well in the other one we deserve to
• 35:24
  lose. But you know, like I said, if
• 35:27
  your expectation is for us to finish 6th or 7th, we should
• 35:30
  lose to City at the Etihad. I mean, that's just normal.
• 35:33
  The question now comes, well, the.
• 35:34
  Moment We're finishing 17th. Yes.
• 35:37
  So the question now comes like what happen happens in the next
• 35:40
  few games? If he's lost a dressing room you
• 35:43
  should have, you should definitely get rid of the guy.
• 35:45
  There's no point. Because isn't isn't the key
• 35:47
  question. And as you've always mentioned
• 35:49
  this, yes, you can say you're going to sack a manager, but who
• 35:51
  are you bringing in? Yeah, who are you going to bring
• 35:53
  in? And this is the thing does does
• 35:54
  that person rescue the season? Because if he's lost the
• 35:58
  dressing room, that person does because anyone, this is what I
• 36:01
  said with 10 hug, is that anyone can come in and it would be
• 36:04
  better because it was toxic. When Mourinho was at the end of
• 36:08
  his thing, I was like, get rid of him.
• 36:09
  Anyone will come in and it will be be better because the the
• 36:13
  there will be a lift from the existing playing squad, right?
• 36:16
  Well, I can, I can reveal to you as because I think Ron you told
• 36:20
  me in Ash in private, but Ron you've got a suggestion to put
• 36:23
  forward in terms of manager and assistant, right.
• 36:25
  And I think us might buy into it.
• 36:27
  So please, Ron, come forward. Come on.
• 36:30
  Gareth Southgate. No, not Gareth Southgate
• 36:34
  McKenna. You're not going to give me
• 36:36
  Southgate McKenna and Carrick. No.
• 36:39
  OK, you've. Got one of them, you've got one
• 36:41
  of them in there. Definitely just before I go to
• 36:44
  my no, it's not McKenna either. Just before that suggestion.
• 36:49
  I think you've got to look at it and say you look at our squad
• 36:51
  and Scott, you and I have spoken about this many times.
• 36:54
  You look at our squad and actually a 433 you can bring in
• 36:58
  anyone and straight away where you would like to think
• 37:01
  performances would improve, results would improve and we
• 37:05
  would have us at least in the top 10.
• 37:08
  Just by playing that 433, you'd have a back four.
• 37:10
  You'd have Maserati right back, you'd have Doggy left back
• 37:13
  probably you'd have delete and Euro and then you'd have your 3.
• 37:17
  Here we go. Kobe menu gets a start, You'd
• 37:20
  have Casamaro menu and Bruno in the 10, Kenya and and Boemo and
• 37:26
  then you've got Cesco up front. In terms of what I would do now
• 37:30
  if we were to get rid of Ruben, I would go the interim with
• 37:35
  Michael Carrick and Ollie gonna Soskar at the helm back again,
• 37:41
  interim appointment. And this time I would be saying
• 37:44
  thank you to Ollie at the end of the season.
• 37:48
  And I'd be moving, as I said on the last part, no contract,
• 37:52
  contract off the table Rio. And I'd be going for for Eddie
• 37:55
  Howe and and tapping him up behind the scenes as best as I
• 37:59
  could so that he's ready for the summer.
• 38:02
  And just to clarify, Ron, who, who's, who's got the number one
• 38:04
  spot there out of? Ollie.
• 38:06
  I'll be Ollie, I'll be Ollie. OK.
• 38:10
  Interesting. Yeah, Scott, I think I'm sure
• 38:13
  you've mentioned Ollie. Would you buy into that?
• 38:16
  Yeah, I've been back in a heartbeat.
• 38:18
  Put it on the table. Yeah, let him sign it.
• 38:20
  Let him write whatever numbers he wants to put on there.
• 38:22
  Give him what he's done now since he's come in and let him
• 38:24
  sign the contract is. That what you're saying?
• 38:29
  TNT lawsuit coming there'll. Be no, there'll be no contract
• 38:32
  that's got. It's a freelance contract round.
• 38:35
  It's a freelance contract. Oh, I love that.
• 38:39
  It'll be with a with a term date of the last game of the season.
• 38:43
  Thanks very much. Massive applause.
• 38:45
  Yeah, exactly. Ash, could you buy into?
• 38:48
  That yeah, I I could buy into it.
• 38:50
  I wouldn't do it, but I could buy into it.
• 38:53
  So what? What are you doing then?
• 38:54
  Are you still sticking? You said silver, right?
• 38:57
  I'm just going to get a manager in like a Premier League
• 39:00
  manager. I'll RIP him off from
• 39:02
  Bournemouth, Fulham, Newcastle. If I could just ask him now.
• 39:07
  Come to the biggest club you can do.
• 39:09
  For a per manager right now. Absolutely.
• 39:12
  There'll be a shit load of managers wanting to take that
• 39:15
  job because this is the thing like as it's touched upon it,
• 39:18
  right? There's a decent squad there to
• 39:22
  to do something, right? And we're not talking, you know,
• 39:25
  Champions League qualification by the league, but you can play
• 39:29
  entertaining football with this squad.
• 39:31
  Be competent, don't embarrass yourselves continuously and get
• 39:37
  through the season, whatever that looks like, 6th, 7th, maybe
• 39:40
  8th, and then just refresh in the summer, right?
• 39:44
  Whether that's with more signings or you know, this is a
• 39:49
  funny thing, right Time on the training ground, like he's going
• 39:52
  to have umpteenth time. So like if you were to think
• 39:54
  about like Reuben, like this is actually a period which is going
• 39:58
  to suit him because we've only got like one game boys hi for
• 40:02
  the next like few weeks, it's long waits.
• 40:05
  It's like, you know 6-7 days we've got to wait for every
• 40:08
  game. So he's going to get his time on
• 40:10
  the training pitch, but. Yeah, you know.
• 40:13
  Doesn't, doesn't. Wasn't that as excused last?
• 40:15
  Time. No, no, this is my point, Scott,
• 40:17
  like I was saying when these boys were telling me he's going
• 40:20
  to get the time on the pitch, I was saying it doesn't matter.
• 40:22
  This is done, right? This was done for me.
• 40:25
  I was saying from like March onwards you could see it, right?
• 40:27
  Like nothing is new. I mean, you can talk about the
• 40:31
  stats like I'm if I hear the Arsenal game one more time, I
• 40:35
  think I might shoot myself in the head.
• 40:36
  Like it's like it's gone boys. That was like a month ago,
• 40:40
  right? It's done.
• 40:42
  The city analogy is interesting because City were good.
• 40:46
  There's no doubt about it. They were highly motivated
• 40:49
  because it was the Manchester Derby.
• 40:51
  I think there was the element of the Ricky Hatton side of it.
• 40:55
  Like, you know, Phil Faden touched upon it.
• 40:58
  They were super motivated, but they were there to be gutter.
• 41:03
  So you know, Ron mentioned that with execution of like final
• 41:06
  passes, etcetera. And that's what I mean it's like
• 41:09
  it's a poorly coached team. But I do wonder about the
• 41:12
  confidence of this team as well. But I'm not going to give the
• 41:14
  players an out because that was the excuse for 10 Args.
• 41:18
  It was like 10 Args created a bad dressing room.
• 41:21
  Therefore, you know, any manager brought in would would make it
• 41:25
  better. That's clearly not the case
• 41:27
  because we got someone way more charismatic, way more better for
• 41:31
  the cameras and it is gone to utter shit.
• 41:34
  Like for anyone to think this is acceptable in any form, it's
• 41:38
  like wake up, wake up and smell what what is in front of you.
• 41:42
  Like to Scott's point, it's like you could wait, but what is the
• 41:47
  point? Like we know where this is going
• 41:50
  to go. And you know, the likes of Gary
• 41:52
  Neville, etcetera, like even their language right yesterday
• 41:56
  they know that this is done. It's a bit different to Ollie
• 42:00
  where they defended him to the hill before.
• 42:03
  Once it was confirmed, you know, they said well, he he should
• 42:08
  have gone. This is different.
• 42:09
  You can tell like I think Gary said yesterday, it's coming to
• 42:14
  October very soon, like 2 weeks away from October.
• 42:17
  You don't win many games. You are in deep trouble.
• 42:21
  He will never say like, you know, he's, he's gone, but we
• 42:26
  know where that this is going. Like, This is why Saturday is
• 42:28
  crucial, because it's our Old Trafford as well against Chelsea
• 42:32
  and. The thing is, and the excuses
• 42:34
  are gone because the excuses used to be the players, Yeah.
• 42:37
  And you can't you you can't blame them anymore because
• 42:40
  they're not down in tools. Apart from Grimsby.
• 42:43
  You could, you could argue, but the rest of the game just, yeah,
• 42:46
  I haven't seen the players like down in tools and not trying and
• 42:50
  stuff like that. Yeah, I would have.
• 42:51
  I agree with Keen on in terms of where it's a Derby.
• 42:56
  Yeah, yellow card. Like you said, smashing somebody
• 42:58
  kind of thing. Yeah, kind of thing.
• 43:00
  And I agree with that. But it's it's almost like the
• 43:05
  players are trying to do their very best.
• 43:07
  But it's the coaching. It's a coaching is the tactics,
• 43:11
  the formations. That's that's what is failing
• 43:14
  then with this team. And I think you're right, it's a
• 43:16
  good team. He has got a good team, bunch of
• 43:18
  players. But I think any, any manager, I
• 43:21
  mean, literally you could bring any manager in the world right
• 43:24
  now and he will get better results, not top 4, not winning
• 43:29
  the title. They will get better results.
• 43:31
  And maybe that's what we need. Do we need that platform and
• 43:34
  that stepping stone? Because I don't think, I don't
• 43:36
  think in a million years we're going to go from this position
• 43:39
  to winning the title in the next two, 345 years.
• 43:42
  I think you have to build it, but build it with the right
• 43:46
  person. And, and, and to Ron's point is,
• 43:49
  I think Eddie, Eddie's the number one.
• 43:52
  I think that has to be, you know, the the go get, he ain't
• 43:55
  going to come, you know, now he's not going to come in
• 43:58
  January. But I think getting someone like
• 44:02
  Ollie or Kerrig or, you know, an ancient United player to come in
• 44:05
  and just basically say, yeah, I was fun again, why Ollie did,
• 44:10
  you know, brilliant times. And the only thing, and this is
• 44:13
  what I mean, if we had the ownership now, you know, now
• 44:17
  with Ollie, you'd probably still be a manager because he's got
• 44:21
  because they didn't, he didn't have the backing in the end.
• 44:24
  It was player power that took over where player power is not
• 44:28
  there at the moment because the board backing Ameren.
• 44:31
  So when they say they're going to lose change room and all that
• 44:34
  kind of stuff, I don't think the change room is lost and it won't
• 44:37
  be lost because the change room is probably looking at it and
• 44:40
  kind of going well, the owners are still back in this manager.
• 44:44
  And at the moment it's either I play or they're going to get rid
• 44:47
  of me as a part of a bomb squad. So I don't think that's what I
• 44:51
  mean. I think I think the excuses are
• 44:53
  gone. You can't you can't blame the
• 44:55
  players. And this is where, you know, I
• 44:57
  look at it and kind of go, the only one person to blame is is
• 44:59
  the manager on this. And there's no Europe right he's
• 45:02
  got, he's always wanted this one week where I can train the
• 45:05
  players. He's got that now.
• 45:07
  There is no excuses. I look at it and think, you name
• 45:11
  one other club, big club, you know, we want to be competing
• 45:15
  against Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, you know, even in
• 45:18
  our league, the Liverpool's, the cities, the Arsenals, you, you
• 45:21
  name me one club in world football that would behave in
• 45:24
  this way as we're behaving at the moment.
• 45:26
  They would get rid of their manager in a heartbeat.
• 45:28
  Yet we are allowing this to play on week in, week out.
• 45:33
  An absolute mockery. We're a laughing stock in the
• 45:35
  world of football today. As you never confirmed on
• 45:38
  whether you would back the Ollie and Carrick interim gig, well.
• 45:43
  How am I supposed to reject that?
• 45:44
  I mean, come on, you, how I. Love the man you sold Ruben out
• 45:48
  now. Yeah, You know what's weird is I
• 45:51
  was more convinced that Ollie wasn't going to work at the end
• 45:57
  than I am now about Ruben. So that's a weird thing.
• 46:02
  I was convinced once we signed Ronaldo and I saw the first few
• 46:05
  games. This is done.
• 46:06
  He has no hope. This team is going to
• 46:08
  capitulate. I remember telling this to you,
• 46:10
  right? This is we're done.
• 46:12
  This is a House of Cards. It's going to collapse.
• 46:15
  I still, I don't think Reuben will succeed.
• 46:19
  I still see enough, like I said, that that the whole European
• 46:22
  thing doesn't kick in until now. The time and the training
• 46:25
  ground, right? Everyone's had the same
• 46:27
  fixtures. It kicks in now, it kicks in as
• 46:30
  we go on. And that's why I would
• 46:33
  technically still give him the next till the next international
• 46:37
  break for sure for the next four games.
• 46:40
  I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
• 46:40
  Yeah, I'd love Ollie and Carrick back, but I would still stick
• 46:44
  with him for now. I I don't think it's
• 46:46
  irretrievable. I don't think it's a formation
• 46:48
  issue as well. All the goals conceded, yes,
• 46:50
  they're nothing to do with 343. They were personnel problems,
• 46:53
  really. No, that's that's absolutely
• 46:55
  non. I think that's the second goal.
• 46:57
  You could see it with the lit and sure, you know, yeah.
• 46:59
  But if you had the back 4 conceding even more, even more
• 47:02
  space, right? Not true because the midfield
• 47:05
  that it would be plugged more like.
• 47:07
  No, that's you. Need to re look at the goal.
• 47:08
  The thing I have an issue with is that we played 433 under 10.
• 47:11
  Argh. And we're more open than we are
• 47:13
  now in terms of shots conceded we.
• 47:15
  Don't need to talk about Tanag, he's gone.
• 47:16
  Like if we're talking about this idea, talk about competent
• 47:19
  manager. It's this idea about a manager.
• 47:22
  There's a magical system out there that you bring.
• 47:24
  It's not a magical system. It's called numbers, right?
• 47:27
  Like I've told you many, you can see, you can see you, you.
• 47:31
  We had the numerical advantage in the box.
• 47:35
  No, we had the numerical advantage in the box in the
• 47:37
  first goal. It had nothing to do with three
• 47:39
  4/3. It had to do with the fact that
• 47:41
  Foden gets rubbish. Because Doku gets into the into
• 47:44
  the midfield pocket where if there was free in the middle
• 47:48
  that space would have would have someone there.
• 47:51
  No, because that was they're stretched ugate, but you're not
• 47:55
  watching these games like they're strictly the team in
• 47:57
  field gate makes the wrong move, sure, then doesn't press on to
• 48:01
  docu. That's an, that's a, that's like
• 48:03
  a personnel thing, like they don't do their job properly.
• 48:05
  No, it's a combo. It it's, it's the formation, the
• 48:08
  system and the player decision making, right?
• 48:11
  Player decision making is influenced by the system that
• 48:14
  you play. None of them are comfortable.
• 48:16
  Like you've heard what Paji said.
• 48:19
  There are other rumours. Bruno always mentioned it in an
• 48:22
  interview. This is a problem, right?
• 48:24
  Like it's, it's, it's right in your face.
• 48:27
  What people even even? If even even if it's a problem
• 48:30
  in the players head. Yeah, but 1%, yeah.
• 48:32
  Yeah, even even if the problem is actually in their head, it's
• 48:35
  still a problem, right? Yeah.
• 48:36
  You know whether so. You know, I agree with that that
• 48:40
  that that there is that 1% could be there, but still needs to be
• 48:44
  coached. But, and I agree, I don't think
• 48:47
  it will succeed and if the dressing room's gone, he should
• 48:50
  go tomorrow. However, I would still if it
• 48:53
  hasn't gone, I'd give him these four games just to see.
• 48:56
  Are you asking me will I take? Of course I'd take Ollie back
• 48:59
  because it'd be great to see her back at the club.
• 49:02
  Marino's available as well. Scott would probably vote for
• 49:05
  him over Ollie, surely. Scott.
• 49:08
  No, no, I'll take Ollie. Just astounded.
• 49:11
  So this is just this is one of the great days of my life.
• 49:15
  But we're we're we're all discussing united and we're all
• 49:21
  we're bringing Ollie back. I mean what would?
• 49:24
  You do if. Christmas comes out if you
• 49:25
  Steve, if if. Steve, you're going tomorrow.
• 49:29
  Are you bringing him? Are.
• 49:30
  You bringing me Ollie? I'll tell.
• 49:31
  Let me just quickly, let's put it in.
• 49:33
  Steve, let's bring the whole gang back, let's get McKenna in
• 49:36
  as well. Come on, come on lads, we want.
• 49:41
  So you're interested to actually hear from you.
• 49:42
  What if Ruben goes, what are, what are you?
• 49:45
  What are you doing? Who are you bringing in?
• 49:46
  So the reason I've been keeping quiet and not not declaring it
• 49:50
  and I didn't vote in the poll is that guys, it's all nonsense.
• 49:56
  It doesn't matter who we're bringing in, this is doomed.
• 50:01
  We are never making it back, even into the top 4 under NES.
• 50:06
  I'm telling you now, best case scenario, we're getting back
• 50:08
  into the Europa League. So I'm, I'm done with them.
• 50:12
  I, I hate them. I really, really hate them.
• 50:14
  And it goes back to what you were saying, Ron, about Gary
• 50:18
  Neville, right? We as football fans, we want to
• 50:22
  enjoy the games. We want to celebrate goals.
• 50:24
  We want to have that passion, right?
• 50:26
  And NES have sucked out my joy and love.
• 50:30
  Obviously I still want us to win.
• 50:31
  You know, I'm there with Scott wanting the team to win.
• 50:34
  You can never take that out of me.
• 50:35
  But they've they've kind of sucked the soul out of the club
• 50:38
  for me. So I don't really care about the
• 50:41
  manager, I'll be honest. So, you know, that's why I'm
• 50:45
  sticking with Reuben. Yeah, question for you.
• 50:47
  There was a a part of me, honestly speaking, and this is I
• 50:53
  don't know, I can't believe I'm admitting this is a part of me
• 50:55
  that was actually, I don't want to say happy, but not unhappy
• 51:00
  that we were losing games under the glazes under 10 hug because
• 51:04
  I felt it was going to push the ownership thing.
• 51:07
  Is there any part of you that's kind of like, oh, you know what,
• 51:09
  good on stick it to Ineos. When we lose, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 51:12
  I know 100%, but that's exactly it.
• 51:14
  So I'm like, obviously I want us to win.
• 51:17
  That's a default position. But the worse this gets, the
• 51:20
  more likely. I'm not saying I said this to
• 51:23
  you, Scott didn't know yesterday.
• 51:24
  I'm not saying it's going to be a very high chance of getting
• 51:27
  the Glazers in any OS out. But if if this continues, you
• 51:30
  know, if we don't get if we get into a position where Europe is
• 51:33
  looking unlikely next season, that affects the finances.
• 51:37
  I think they've banked on the fact of at least getting into
• 51:39
  the Europa League next season in terms of the cost in the
• 51:42
  budgeting, right. So you get to a point in
• 51:44
  December where if it's if it's continues to look as it is on
• 51:47
  the pitch, that's where I think then the fan pressure is
• 51:50
  important because I'm not saying the fan pressure can force the
• 51:53
  owners out. We know that can't happen.
• 51:55
  But it might move the needle from 10% to 30%.
• 51:59
  You know that that's kind of my take on it.
• 52:00
  Like I'm I, I think you'll. Spend a long game, then you'll
• 52:04
  have you're having to ride this out and basically.
• 52:06
  You're Ruben in to get the in yourself.
• 52:08
  Yeah, that's, that's basically that was a long term project
• 52:11
  like you know, I, I agree with you guys like we could get.
• 52:14
  Management. It's a Qatari stooge.
• 52:17
  Is he playing? He's shake.
• 52:19
  Just Sims double agent. He's an AI character.
• 52:26
  We've known it. We know that's what it is.
• 52:29
  Ruben Amarin was actually kidnapped.
• 52:32
  The real Ruben Amarin summer in Qatar and it's fake.
• 52:36
  The fake 1. So he's not even.
• 52:38
  Portuguese is Qatari. Yeah.
• 52:42
  And you know what? They'll put the thing on right
• 52:45
  and he'll actually be Shake Jassim.
• 52:48
  Shake Jassim's actually the manager of the club the whole
• 52:51
  time, lowering the. Valuation.
• 52:55
  Reuben Zamo Reuben Zamo. You won't get that on.
• 52:57
  Any other podcast by the way? Starting some rumours, but yeah,
• 53:02
  no, that, that's, that is genuinely my, my take.
• 53:04
  And it's sad and like, I don't really want to admit it openly,
• 53:07
  but you know, even even when the cameras panned to gym yesterday,
• 53:11
  I was like, yeah, fuck you, fuck you.
• 53:13
  You deserve this. Like the way you treated us as
• 53:16
  fans, the way you treated some of the staff.
• 53:19
  He deserves it. The way the arrogance, you know,
• 53:21
  like, yeah, I, I when, when I saw his face, I was like, yeah,
• 53:25
  you deserve this. That that's that's how I feel.
• 53:28
  I thought to you, Steve. Sounds like I'm keeping.
• 53:30
  These guys, by the way, the way, the way Jim came and he said
• 53:36
  that I'd love it if I'd love it. I'd love it if we get relegated.
• 53:42
  I'd love it. Good.
• 53:44
  To you, Steve denied. It's that these guys don't sell,
• 53:48
  that they've got a past record that they don't sell.
• 53:51
  So I, you know, I, I admire what you say, but I don't think it's
• 53:55
  going to happen. I think they're here for the
• 53:57
  long run. I think they're here for the
• 53:58
  very long game, which is, you know, they want the next
• 54:04
  Champions League rights, they want the next TV rights, they
• 54:06
  want the next 200,000 stadium, they want the extra, you know, 2
• 54:11
  to 4, but. Scott, you, you want you want
• 54:13
  Sidney Sweeney. Yeah, I do.
• 54:16
  Exactly, but you soon run out of cash in the bank.
• 54:20
  He's playing the long game as well.
• 54:21
  What are you doing, Scott? Scott, when there is no cash in
• 54:24
  the bank next June because we didn't get into Europe, what are
• 54:28
  you doing then? I don't give a shit if you want
• 54:30
  a new $2 billion stadium or $2 billion stadium.
• 54:34
  This is the money. Yeah, but this is the prop, This
• 54:37
  is it. They'll go and sell some Class B
• 54:39
  shares again. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 54:41
  I think I think if we let. Them take a loan from the Indios
• 54:43
  group and put it in. Yeah, but only if we let them.
• 54:45
  Only if we let shitty thing. Only if we let them.
• 54:49
  We've got no say in it, Steve. We've got absolutely, we've got
• 54:52
  little say. We've got little say.
• 54:54
  But that's a defeatist mindset though, Scott.
• 54:55
  No, what, what, what, what, what change in history would happen
• 55:00
  with that, with that mindset, if you just accept, if you accept,
• 55:04
  if you accept, are these people more powerful?
• 55:07
  It's a, it's a, it's a defeatist mindset.
• 55:09
  Are you right? It's more likely.
• 55:12
  It's it's defeatist mindset in the fact that there's probably
• 55:14
  reality. So I'm a realist in the sense
• 55:17
  that this isn't going to go anywhere soon.
• 55:20
  Yeah, but here for the long run. And the last 20 years have
• 55:23
  proved that. Steve, it's a football club.
• 55:25
  People want to like win today, like like like sky get that
• 55:29
  everyone here wants to go once the glaze is in it and any us
• 55:33
  gone now, right? If we could do it today, we'd do
• 55:36
  it. But in the in the meantime,
• 55:38
  you've got nine months of the season.
• 55:40
  Ron mentioned it a few weeks ago.
• 55:42
  You're going to work just being beaten up by all your colleagues
• 55:46
  and like being destroyed in WhatsApp grades.
• 55:48
  We want to win fucking football matches, right?
• 55:51
  And we want to be entertained as well because, you know, pumping
• 55:55
  it to Harry Maguire every week is not fun, right?
• 55:58
  We want to watch some like decent football again.
• 56:01
  And like you can bring in any manager and there's half a
• 56:05
  chance that that will happen. Yeah, the big thing here is that
• 56:09
  if this continues for another, if this continues for another 5,
• 56:13
  you know, five months, 10 months, two years, three, you
• 56:16
  name it, you got to look at the market, right?
• 56:18
  Look at our competitors. They're all getting stronger.
• 56:21
  So, Steve, to your point, and I admire what you're saying here,
• 56:25
  but in reality, you know, three years, four years from now, if
• 56:28
  even if any of us do depart and if we carry on with this
• 56:31
  trajectory, I mean, who knows, we'll be in the championship.
• 56:33
  Yeah, you've got, you know, your rivals just going from strength
• 56:37
  to strength. How do you come back from that?
• 56:39
  For in the championship. For in the championship, the
• 56:41
  Glazers are gone. That's what Steve's point.
• 56:43
  So I mean, that's what I mean, not even that.
• 56:45
  I think if we miss look. How far behind you are, though?
• 56:47
  Look how far behind you are, Steve.
• 56:49
  'S point is, under the Glazers, we will never, ever, ever, ever
• 56:52
  win. So what's the point, right?
• 56:54
  You might as well go as dig deep and then at least you have a
• 56:57
  chance of coming back. At least there's some hope.
• 57:01
  I'm not saying it's guaranteed, I'm just saying it's more.
• 57:03
  Like there's a hope there, there's.
• 57:05
  A That's such a long game that you're looking at, you know,
• 57:08
  decades beyond decades. It's.
• 57:10
  Been it's been 20 years already. But I think the only thing you
• 57:13
  can do as fans is not turn up to games.
• 57:16
  Like if there's like 10,000 people at Old Trafford, that's
• 57:20
  that's the only statement you can do.
• 57:22
  Because like, you know, you, you were one for criticising the
• 57:25
  fans, you know, a while back about this.
• 57:27
  But we're still the only fan group that have ever cancelled a
• 57:30
  Premier League game ever, like ever.
• 57:33
  So we, the fans tried to do their part.
• 57:36
  And look, they bottled it massively with the protest
• 57:39
  against Arsenal, right? Because a couple transfer deals
• 57:42
  got done in 1958, you know, bottled it.
• 57:45
  But that's the only thing we can do.
• 57:47
  We not, not turn up to games. I I don't see anything else that
• 57:51
  we can do and like, not buy merchandise.
• 57:52
  What else? What else do you want the fans
• 57:54
  to do? Yeah, but look at any us, right?
• 57:57
  They've they've revealed these big plans for a new stadium.
• 57:59
  They've just announced that they're not.
• 58:01
  Invested in the funding mate. Look, the government is.
• 58:03
  That's what I'm saying. Like there's no funding.
• 58:06
  They're not invested in the UK as, as a company in ES.
• 58:09
  So how can, how can they sit there and expect government
• 58:12
  funding to fund Old Trafford? You know, that's, this is what I
• 58:15
  mean, It's all these plans. But I I think the fan base is
• 58:19
  split on the new stadium anyway, right?
• 58:21
  Like, let's be honest, especially at the moment, we
• 58:25
  don't want a penny going into the stadium because we want our
• 58:28
  football team to play well. Like you got to get things
• 58:31
  right. Like, you know, I'm sure as is
• 58:33
  going to counter this, but like, because you can get like a new
• 58:37
  mortgage, but like, can you really afford to spend money on
• 58:40
  a new stadium with the, with the state of the team, like whether
• 58:43
  it's the manager, the infrastructure, all this stuff,
• 58:47
  right, like the facilities, like there's, there's so much that's
• 58:50
  got to be done before even focusing.
• 58:52
  The The thing is they've not, they've not tapped us out and
• 58:55
  that's, and we're such a big asset to them that they've not
• 58:59
  tapped out yet. And that and that's the issue.
• 59:03
  You haven't got banks coming to us and saying you need to repay
• 59:06
  like the Liverpool scenario. They didn't that we don't have
• 59:09
  that situation. The banks love it.
• 59:12
  I said this in the chat a few weeks back.
• 59:15
  Any bank in the world will come crawling and begging the Glazers
• 59:19
  to say remortgage with with us. But Scott, they'll.
• 59:22
  Take they'll take all the interest in the world. 2022,
• 59:25
  November. The Glazers were backed into a
• 59:27
  corner. Less than three years ago,
• 59:29
  they'd run out of money. They've done this strategic
• 59:32
  investment. They only had two viable options
• 59:34
  that came forward. One of them was in the US and
• 59:37
  one of them that was Shake Jaseem.
• 59:39
  Whether it's real or not. Because private equity was
• 59:41
  available. Yeah, Elliot, that's what I'm
• 59:43
  saying. So like, you know, they, they
• 59:44
  only had limited options then so they could.
• 59:46
  Figure out more loans. Yeah, of course they could have.
• 59:49
  But yeah, there's always a way out.
• 59:50
  But importantly, importantly, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, if you go
• 59:54
  back to his Overlap interview in March, was it around the Arsenal
• 59:58
  game? He was already not liking the
• 1:00:01
  stick at that point and he basically said I won't put up
• 1:00:06
  with this stick for much longer. The stick is only going to get
• 1:00:10
  worse over the next few months. So that's the other important
• 1:00:12
  thing. Why is he going to want, you
• 1:00:14
  know, he's already put in, what is it, 300 million US and why is
• 1:00:17
  he going to want to put in more cash when all he's getting is
• 1:00:19
  stick? His asset is reducing in value.
• 1:00:23
  It doesn't make any financial sense.
• 1:00:25
  But the counter to that is that if this continues and you know,
• 1:00:28
  we end up let's not, I wouldn't say we're going to get
• 1:00:30
  relegated, but you know, we're flirting relegation where we
• 1:00:33
  were as sort of an asset to buy two years ago, a year ago.
• 1:00:38
  Is it the same, you know, compared to the likes of
• 1:00:40
  Tottenham that are out there potentially or who knows?
• 1:00:43
  You know, if if Arsenal or Liverpool, you know, they come
• 1:00:45
  up to be to be sold in the future.
• 1:00:47
  These clubs are a lot more attractive than than we are
• 1:00:50
  because we're we're spending years and years just in the doom
• 1:00:53
  and gloom. But Ron, that's a good point,
• 1:00:54
  right? So the rumours are that
• 1:00:56
  Tottenham have been valued at around 4/4 and 1/2 billion
• 1:00:59
  right? With those rumours that
• 1:01:01
  circulated round, Even now, as shit as we are with no Europe,
• 1:01:06
  Scotland still agree with this. We're going to be worth more
• 1:01:10
  than Spurs. Fact.
• 1:01:11
  It's the name, isn't it? The name is there, the brand is
• 1:01:14
  there. But I take your point, Ron,
• 1:01:15
  like, you know, you, especially if you start, you know, if you
• 1:01:17
  spend two or three years out of Europe, you you do start to
• 1:01:20
  become, Oh, are we a mid table team as a club?
• 1:01:23
  But the the other interest, I don't know where I saw this, but
• 1:01:27
  I actually read that Sheikh Jassim and this might just be
• 1:01:30
  posturing. He's not as interested as he was
• 1:01:32
  a few years ago. One is because they won the
• 1:01:35
  Champions League with PSG, so they kind of got the glory
• 1:01:38
  through there. And secondly, apparently their
• 1:01:40
  Katara planning a bid for the Olympics in the 20 thirties, I
• 1:01:44
  believe. So they're shifting focus
• 1:01:46
  towards that. So, yeah, I take that point that
• 1:01:48
  is there a buyer out that I just do think?
• 1:01:50
  Saudi is your best part, my friend.
• 1:01:52
  Saudi is your best part. Possibly.
• 1:01:54
  I just think there will be a buyer out there.
• 1:01:56
  It's still Manchester United and yeah, you know, there's got to
• 1:02:00
  be more people willing to buy. Fair enough.
• 1:02:03
  If you're, if you're running for the long run and you're willing,
• 1:02:05
  you know, for this to continue for five years, seven years.
• 1:02:08
  I just think the likes of Scott Ash and me, I think our, our
• 1:02:12
  heart rate has had it. I don't think we can take any
• 1:02:14
  more of this. Fair play.
• 1:02:16
  No, I get it. I get it.
• 1:02:17
  And there's no perfect answer. I think you know as a fan base
• 1:02:21
  the solution is not clear, right?
• 1:02:23
  It's it's tricky. It's not even heart rate.
• 1:02:26
  It's, it's, it's the size of this club like, like Liverpool
• 1:02:32
  have never been this bad ever. So even in the 30 years when
• 1:02:37
  they weren't winning it, they've never finished this low in the,
• 1:02:40
  in the league. They've never been this poor.
• 1:02:42
  Like it is embarrassing the amount of times like we lose at
• 1:02:46
  Old Trafford, like basically the only teams, especially under
• 1:02:49
  Ruben that we can be is, is promoted teams, every other team
• 1:02:53
  give, gives us a game. So even when people bring up
• 1:02:57
  like the next 5 fixtures, it doesn't matter because the next
• 1:03:00
  fixture is the most important one because we are that bad.
• 1:03:03
  We are that bad. It doesn't matter to like that
• 1:03:06
  we're playing Sunderland in like 2 weeks time.
• 1:03:08
  It's all about Chelsea and not basically being embarrassed at
• 1:03:12
  Old Trafford. Yeah.
• 1:03:13
  So we can't get relegated, but let me ask you all a question.
• 1:03:16
  If Ruben is in charge all season, who's saying we're going
• 1:03:20
  to get relegated here? I.
• 1:03:22
  Think we don't think we get I. Don't think we get relegated.
• 1:03:24
  We'll finish 17th, but not we'll never get relegated, yeah.
• 1:03:29
  He would even I'm. Definitely Valmar want to get
• 1:03:32
  relegated. Twelve, 13th.
• 1:03:34
  And Steve made a point about, you know, even being out of
• 1:03:38
  Europe for next season. I, I don't think it does
• 1:03:40
  anything. It doesn't put any more pressure
• 1:03:42
  on part from the fact that they're going to be reducing
• 1:03:44
  funds. They'll probably end up firing
• 1:03:45
  more people. You, you just operate
• 1:03:48
  differently. You operate as a club that's no
• 1:03:51
  longer a European football club. That's the only way they they're
• 1:03:55
  going to handle it being out of Europe.
• 1:03:57
  They're still going to generate 550 million plus or whatever
• 1:04:01
  each year. It's just the extra 200 million
• 1:04:04
  that they could get in the Champions Leagues.
• 1:04:07
  That's that's Steve's point and fair, fair play in that the
• 1:04:09
  valuation goes down, your revenue goes down, your
• 1:04:11
  valuation goes down, more buyers, the Glazer extreme
• 1:04:16
  valuation of whatever it is 67810.
• 1:04:19
  They might be like, you know what, this is silly.
• 1:04:23
  We're losing money here. We're haemorrhaging money.
• 1:04:24
  I keep saying this is that people go, oh, it's, you know,
• 1:04:27
  United to cash cow. It was 10 years ago for them.
• 1:04:30
  They don't make any dividends anymore because there aren't any
• 1:04:32
  dividends to get paid. They are haemorrhaging money
• 1:04:35
  because at the end of the day they could literally put that
• 1:04:38
  money in a bank account or by, you know, risk free and and 5%
• 1:04:42
  they could go and invest in some US tech stocks and earn a lot.
• 1:04:45
  And I do think Jim is actually in it for the glory.
• 1:04:47
  Jim's in it for the glory because he makes money from
• 1:04:50
  chemicals, right? So for him, he can lose that
• 1:04:53
  money because for him, his chemicals businesses, he he
• 1:04:56
  threw 200 million at Ben Ainsley in a boat.
• 1:04:58
  I mean, who cares about but when?
• 1:05:00
  He realises when he realises he's not going to get the glory
• 1:05:03
  and he's going to have to put in more money.
• 1:05:05
  So Jim seen it with Jimmy'z game in my opinion is he wants the
• 1:05:09
  full buyout. He wants to take over for fully
• 1:05:13
  and the host do the stadium thing and he wants it to be like
• 1:05:17
  his legacy. That's what he's all about.
• 1:05:20
  And he wants to leave a legacy and he's thinking 10 years.
• 1:05:24
  So for him he he also will be like, I want the glazes out as
• 1:05:28
  well. He wants the glazes out as much
• 1:05:30
  as you do, Steve. Yeah, but I think in reality you
• 1:05:33
  want him. Out.
• 1:05:33
  He needs to change the manager first.
• 1:05:35
  No, no, I think, I think the deal, I think they've done this
• 1:05:38
  minority deal to almost see how it goes for a few years.
• 1:05:41
  And yes, ideal scenario, you know, things are going well for
• 1:05:44
  Ineos and I did. I do think he thought that was
• 1:05:47
  an option. But the second option is he
• 1:05:49
  cashes out as well and the Glazers and the Glazers leave,
• 1:05:52
  they cash out together. Guys, I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:05:54
  the Glazers are ready to kick Ineos out like because they have
• 1:05:58
  fucked things up so much and I'm the first one Steve to admit
• 1:06:02
  like Ineos have got this massively wrong right?
• 1:06:05
  As in like me backing them got it massively wrong.
• 1:06:08
  But I would not be surprised if the Glazers are planning to get
• 1:06:12
  rid of them. Yeah, it's got to be unrest
• 1:06:15
  behind the scenes, right? It has.
• 1:06:17
  To be because they've made they've made the asset way
• 1:06:19
  worse. Like sporting side, we are
• 1:06:22
  absolutely atrocious, right. Eighth was bad.
• 1:06:25
  I mean last season was bad and like the trajectory this season
• 1:06:29
  doesn't look good. But then yeah, if that.
• 1:06:31
  Happens. If that happens, Ash, then
• 1:06:33
  Steve's point around a sale and actually going down the route of
• 1:06:37
  a Qatari or somebody from Saudi Arabia could happen because tell
• 1:06:41
  you what, Glazers are more most likely to sell than in yours.
• 1:06:44
  Saudi is what the Glazers are aiming for.
• 1:06:47
  The Glazers have got good history with Saudi.
• 1:06:51
  You know, they've done like plenty of deals in the past.
• 1:06:54
  I think they're also linked with like franchise cricket as well.
• 1:06:57
  Saudi is the place like, that's where all the money is.
• 1:07:00
  Like they've bought golf that they've practically bought
• 1:07:02
  tennis. They are going to, well, they
• 1:07:04
  got boxing. If they really want to showcase,
• 1:07:08
  you know, the Saudi World Cup, buy Man United, fuck Newcastle,
• 1:07:12
  sell them and they're going to make money on Newcastle and.
• 1:07:15
  Get Eddie Howe as well. Get Eddie Howe and that's the
• 1:07:19
  dream ticket, right? Like, you know, Saudi, Saudi
• 1:07:21
  have Man United, they have the fan base.
• 1:07:24
  Everyone's going to come to that World Cup.
• 1:07:26
  Doesn't matter about your religion or your cultural
• 1:07:28
  beliefs. And we'll get back on top.
• 1:07:31
  That is is forget Qatar. Qatar never had the money.
• 1:07:35
  As much as you want to argue about it, Qatar never had the
• 1:07:37
  money because they couldn't even play it as.
• 1:07:39
  A point we'll get the we'll get the real ribbon come through as
• 1:07:41
  well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:07:44
  So yeah, I mean, I think each game is gonna, you know.
• 1:07:49
  It's definitely 1000 cuts. We're looking forward to
• 1:07:52
  Garnacha coming back to Old Trafford.
• 1:07:54
  That's going to be fun, isn't it?
• 1:07:56
  Did you see how he celebrated his his dodgy assist as well?
• 1:08:00
  Like like he weave past like 5 players to like put it on Kai
• 1:08:05
  Sode's foot. Yeah, I'm glad.
• 1:08:06
  I'm glad they didn't win it, at least so.
• 1:08:08
  I'm looking forward to the meltdown as well, when we win
• 1:08:11
  and everyone's going to be. It's going to be, it's going to
• 1:08:14
  be a melt meltdown either way, right, Whether it's a win or a
• 1:08:17
  defeat. But I mean, I tell you what, if
• 1:08:19
  we lose that game, you could see the Indios making a decision
• 1:08:22
  right Monday morning. I don't think so.
• 1:08:25
  I think indios are just going to carry on till.
• 1:08:28
  Till no. I think if we lost say 22 nil or
• 1:08:32
  three nil, Jim, Jim will make the call.
• 1:08:34
  He will make the call. No, I think, I think that I
• 1:08:36
  always look for the international breaks.
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, it was international. Break next International Break
• 1:08:40
  is the one. That's why I said these four
• 1:08:42
  games. This to me.
• 1:08:43
  Look at these four games. Do you reckon though?
• 1:08:45
  But isn't that too late? Because of you want to give
• 1:08:47
  yourself a chance to actually get back into Europe, right?
• 1:08:50
  So if you wait another four games and you don't get good
• 1:08:53
  results, you're you're costing yourself possibly.
• 1:08:56
  I almost think the Sunderland game is bigger.
• 1:08:58
  You lose that, he's fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:00
  Sunderland. Like, you know, do you think
• 1:09:04
  that, you know, you parachute in Ollie and Carrick and suddenly
• 1:09:07
  we'd suddenly, you know, turn it around probably, you know, not
• 1:09:10
  right. So you give them the four games.
• 1:09:12
  Whoever's going to come in needs a bit of time to settle in, ETC.
• 1:09:17
  So yeah, the next. Formally, we're talking about
• 1:09:19
  the Sunderland game here. Well, that's what I mean,
• 1:09:22
  doesn't it? You're.
• 1:09:22
  Not talking to Sunderland and we're counting on the Sunderland
• 1:09:25
  game. I mean, if I said that's.
• 1:09:26
  Not counting on it, it's it's if you lose that game, right, you
• 1:09:30
  have to, you expect to win this. Game that's even as part of the
• 1:09:33
  conversation should tell you everything about.
• 1:09:37
  No, but that's the part where the you know, you know, the the
• 1:09:40
  back breaks. No, I hate, I hate.
• 1:09:43
  That's the last game right before the.
• 1:09:46
  Yeah, For me, what happened against Burnley, it doesn't
• 1:09:49
  matter. Like it's great on the day
• 1:09:50
  because we won a game, but it doesn't change like what I'm
• 1:09:54
  thinking. And Ash.
• 1:09:57
  Ash, you know Jim's character pretty well like you followed
• 1:10:00
  the any off story right in sports over the last few years.
• 1:10:03
  Can you let's just say we lost two nil to Chelsea.
• 1:10:05
  Could you not see him make a decision next week?
• 1:10:08
  No, because he's too stubborn. Really.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah, but it doesn't have high standards then like you know, if
• 1:10:15
  this I think, I think someone made the point if this was one
• 1:10:17
  of Ineos's subsidiary companies, would he accept?
• 1:10:20
  This but this is this is the point.
• 1:10:21
  It's not right. And I always have this argument
• 1:10:24
  with Azar about the office, right?
• 1:10:26
  It's not that's the difference, right.
• 1:10:28
  So if if Ruben was working at Ineos group like the chemical
• 1:10:33
  side, he would have already gone.
• 1:10:36
  But because this is sport and like, you know, there is that
• 1:10:39
  element of patience at any us and also this is their first
• 1:10:42
  guy, right? Like they will tell you like
• 1:10:45
  what they did to scout and get Reuben, right?
• 1:10:48
  And now Omar Barada is like trying to push away the fact
• 1:10:51
  that it wasn't his decision. It was made by analysts as well.
• 1:10:55
  Absolute bollocks as as you at the testing so I don't think he
• 1:10:59
  would. They've been quite ruthless.
• 1:11:00
  Ruthless for sure. In Nice they were very ruthless
• 1:11:04
  with Dan Ashworth. Yeah, because they disagree.
• 1:11:09
  That's because Dan Ashworth disagreed with the philosophy of
• 1:11:12
  what any us were looking to do like.
• 1:11:14
  You know, yeah, but Steve called my.
• 1:11:16
  Manager list, The boring list. That's what Dan had as well.
• 1:11:19
  I think the issue is they are like bit like me.
• 1:11:23
  They they see last season as a write off that Ruben was, you
• 1:11:28
  know, like trying to clean up a mess and they're looking at a
• 1:11:31
  fresh start. It's too early in this tenor.
• 1:11:34
  There's there's there's the new training ground.
• 1:11:37
  There's the whole thing of time on the training ground.
• 1:11:39
  Lack of European football hasn't kicked in yet.
• 1:11:42
  The new signings getting to know each other.
• 1:11:44
  I think they feel it's too early.
• 1:11:46
  That and this is my point. I think it's more they don't
• 1:11:49
  want to make another mistake. They don't want to be seen.
• 1:11:52
  And then the other point is. Ashworth 10 hog.
• 1:11:55
  And who do you bring in? Jim Ratcliffe is not bringing
• 1:11:58
  only goodness. Old Sharon Michael Cowan.
• 1:12:00
  Let's be. What mess is what?
• 1:12:02
  The thing is, what mess is he yet to sort out though?
• 1:12:05
  What is this mess? This is the issue is that
• 1:12:07
  there's a lot of people who think time under 10 hog was good
• 1:12:10
  and I'm I'm not one of those people.
• 1:12:12
  So for me it was in that shit show and a lot of the squads
• 1:12:16
  that that was there that he's this whole revamp needed to
• 1:12:19
  happen. And I'm happy that there was
• 1:12:22
  this revamp. The people who think that things
• 1:12:24
  are good under 10 hog 433 was great and you know, then you
• 1:12:28
  wouldn't think there was a problem.
• 1:12:30
  So that's. I still don't understand what
• 1:12:33
  this mess is though. What mess is he actually fixed?
• 1:12:36
  Sancho wasn't even, you know, wasn't the signing.
• 1:12:39
  Well, it hasn't played for the last two plus years, but that's
• 1:12:43
  not a problem. He's fixed the club fixed that.
• 1:12:46
  No, it's in it. He created the Rashford.
• 1:12:49
  Problem. No, he's.
• 1:12:50
  Created the Sancho problem. He's created a menu problem.
• 1:12:54
  So what? What problem does he?
• 1:12:56
  This is this is this is the question right?
• 1:12:58
  And this is the disagreement. I would say I genuinely believe,
• 1:13:02
  and this is maybe me to being delusional, if the next manager
• 1:13:06
  comes in we'll pick up a better situation than the situation.
• 1:13:09
  You said that after Ollie, and that was just simply not true.
• 1:13:15
  OK, you can say that's not true this time as well to say I'm
• 1:13:18
  wrong now, but I think the next manager who comes in picks up a
• 1:13:21
  better situation than the one Reuben picked up that actually I
• 1:13:25
  look at the squad now and go, I quite like some of these players
• 1:13:29
  and it just, and that's what I mean, can you give him a bit of
• 1:13:31
  time to work this out? Even if he gets fired, I think
• 1:13:34
  the next guy comes in and he's like, OK, Reuben's done the
• 1:13:37
  clear out of this. He's done a bit of cultural
• 1:13:39
  training, the new training grounds in place and and we go
• 1:13:42
  with with I like Embermo. I think Cesco looked decent.
• 1:13:46
  I think Cunha is a really good player.
• 1:13:49
  So I kind of like look at that and go, this isn't actually that
• 1:13:53
  bad anymore. What players ask the question
• 1:13:57
  again, What? What problems has he fixed,
• 1:13:59
  Marcus? Rashford, Anthony.
• 1:14:01
  Jayden Sancho. No.
• 1:14:03
  All the players that have left. Sancho.
• 1:14:07
  Done this anyway. The club, that's the club.
• 1:14:09
  The club would have done what has he.
• 1:14:10
  Done. Whether he did it or not, the
• 1:14:12
  situation now is better, right? Whether it was in New York,
• 1:14:15
  whether it was Jason Wilson, whether it was Omar Brada,
• 1:14:18
  whether it was Jim Ratcliffe, whether it was Reuben Amrim, the
• 1:14:21
  situation now is better than it was 12 months ago.
• 1:14:25
  That's what I'm saying. The hierarchy at the club you're
• 1:14:28
  saying is better than it was 12 months.
• 1:14:30
  Ago the is stronger. No, it isn't because 10 Hogs
• 1:14:35
  signed five players in the summer.
• 1:14:36
  Those five players are still here.
• 1:14:37
  They're Ineos players though, right They?
• 1:14:39
  Look good. So they're any of those players.
• 1:14:41
  Then they signed them. Yeah, so like what I'm saying,
• 1:14:44
  is it Jim Ratcliffe's looking at this and going right?
• 1:14:46
  The situation's better. Let give now, give Ruben the
• 1:14:50
  chance now to kind of work with the squad.
• 1:14:54
  So any of signed five players under 10, Hog 10.
• 1:14:57
  Hog had 810 games and got fired. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:02
  And and done better than Reuben. I don't.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean.
• 1:15:06
  That's a disagreement. I don't think 10 Hog was doing
• 1:15:08
  well because I'm I'm a guy who watches football matches and
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  goes, that was shit. I don't care that we squeeze the
• 1:15:13
  result out. How?
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  Can you say this is better? This is worse.
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  No. Look at our legs.
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  That's what I mean. For me, it's exactly the same
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  process. It's exactly the same.
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  This is this is no, this is this point for me.
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  It's exactly the same shit as it was before.
• 1:15:28
  The difference is worse because the players are even more
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  confused because 10 hog what? He.
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  I don't think they are. I don't.
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  Think they he was too attacking? No, I think they were even more
• 1:15:38
  because they will. They have no clue and he was
• 1:15:41
  only three. No, they want to.
• 1:15:43
  This is the clue. The wingers are playing as wing
• 1:15:46
  backs. The centre backs don't know who
• 1:15:48
  to pick. Up because they don't actually
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  not. Sorry, this is where you're
• 1:15:51
  completely wrong. You're you're totally wrong as
• 1:15:54
  well. Because her in the league
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  position, that's the price. The worst start in 34 years.
• 1:16:00
  Football action Wake up. Being enough you.
• 1:16:02
  Don't watch enough football? You don't watch any.
• 1:16:05
  Football. You don't watch football.
• 1:16:07
  You, I told you a few weeks ago about the central midfield.
• 1:16:10
  You were telling me, oh, don't worry about it.
• 1:16:13
  Like it's fine. Like I will score more goals,
• 1:16:15
  but we're getting destroyed in midfield.
• 1:16:17
  And every week and you don't know, we can't watch it.
• 1:16:20
  I can't see 10/10/10 hard second season, 10 hog second season we
• 1:16:25
  were an. Obviously we were atrocious.
• 1:16:27
  Everyone knows that we were, it was, we were utterly atrocious,
• 1:16:31
  worse than it is in these first four games and.
• 1:16:33
  We were utterly atrocious and it's worse than we were utterly
• 1:16:36
  atrocious, worse than now. It doesn't matter where.
• 1:16:40
  It does, because that's the question.
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  It's 14th. You're the one who backed Reuben
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  in the summer. You're the one who backed him in
• 1:16:47
  March. So keep on with him and like,
• 1:16:50
  enjoy your football. Enjoy the football.
• 1:16:53
  I can't wait. I'm looking forward.
• 1:16:55
  Exactly. Enjoy it, Chelsea's enjoy it and
• 1:16:58
  I look forward to you saying that he deserved to be fired.
• 1:17:02
  Are you, are you looking forward to the Chelsea game away?
• 1:17:04
  It's really. Wonderful guy.
• 1:17:06
  I'm actually coming back. You know, we're going to, we're
• 1:17:10
  going to, I think Old Trafford will be on fire.
• 1:17:12
  We're going to have, we're going to have the Reuben am ring song
• 1:17:15
  from the Stretford End. I'm going to have a nice 3-1.
• 1:17:18
  See. What a shame.
• 1:17:19
  I'll be there, finally, some of those chances are, you know
• 1:17:22
  those. We've had so many shots where
• 1:17:24
  it's just like one of them. Please go in there.
• 1:17:26
  We go XGS. Back there we go.
• 1:17:28
  Trust the process, because that's what Jesus Christ.
• 1:17:31
  Get the T. Shed.
• 1:17:33
  You know what's funny, I was listening to the Gary Neville
• 1:17:35
  podcast and I think the commentator asked him, oh, what
• 1:17:39
  does Reuben need to do? And Gary goes, oh, the games at
• 1:17:42
  the games at Old Trafford under the lights on Saturday.
• 1:17:45
  They need a fast start and they need a goal.
• 1:17:47
  And I'm like, oh, thanks, Gary. That's a that's a great
• 1:17:49
  suggestion. But to that point, is that what
• 1:17:52
  we need? Just like a little bit of luck
• 1:17:54
  and something to catch fire like you need to score?
• 1:17:57
  The first goal. This is it.
• 1:17:59
  Score the concede. We'll concede afterwards because
• 1:18:02
  that's what you you tell me. I don't watch football.
• 1:18:05
  You don't watch football clearly either, because even if we did
• 1:18:08
  score, we'll concede because we're just not that good.
• 1:18:12
  We're worse under 10 hog. But you're trying.
• 1:18:15
  You're creating this thing in your head like that.
• 1:18:17
  We're saying 10 Hog was like better.
• 1:18:19
  It's not that it was shit. It was, it was shit then, but
• 1:18:23
  it's shit now. I made one simple point and I
• 1:18:26
  said you guys would disagree. My simple point was I think the
• 1:18:29
  next guy when he takes over will take over a better situation
• 1:18:34
  than Reuben took over with 10 hug.
• 1:18:36
  And that's why I think Ineos will give him a little bit more
• 1:18:39
  time because they believe that he it was coming from Scott's
• 1:18:44
  thing of what has he cleaned up? I saw a massive, massive mess
• 1:18:48
  structurally in the team, in the coaching, in the morale of the
• 1:18:51
  squad. And that's my point as well of
• 1:18:54
  if he's lost the dressing room, he has to go immediately.
• 1:18:56
  The moment a manager's lost the dressing room.
• 1:18:58
  I'm 100 whenever that happens, if he hasn't, let's assume the
• 1:19:03
  players are still behind him, but I just haven't yet got that
• 1:19:06
  that that execution in those those little moments.
• 1:19:11
  They will they will give in the next three or few games because
• 1:19:14
  and I think whoever takes over after Ruben I genuine I think
• 1:19:18
  you even guys said it before actually, if you set up in a in
• 1:19:21
  this way and we'll actually start winning some games yeah,
• 1:19:25
  but it's. So that comes.
• 1:19:26
  In because you can't get your point, you can't get any work.
• 1:19:29
  Yeah. Yeah, that's about.
• 1:19:31
  This guy's gonna come in and just basically just start
• 1:19:33
  winning games because you can't get any work.
• 1:19:35
  Yes, at the moment he's also going for a better.
• 1:19:37
  Position. We're playing a system that
• 1:19:39
  works for these players. At the moment, these players are
• 1:19:41
  confused. They're playing a system that
• 1:19:43
  they just can't get their head around, like position.
• 1:19:46
  Hasn't. Fixed anything the the new
• 1:19:47
  management transition. You managed to open this squad
• 1:19:50
  up thinking, oh, thanks to Ruben I got, you know, Imbumu Kunya.
• 1:19:55
  That would have happened regardless of Reuben.
• 1:19:58
  That's the question. That is the interesting question
• 1:20:00
  that my assumption is, and this is the thing with hiring whoever
• 1:20:04
  you hire next is something to consider and why Ineos maybe do
• 1:20:08
  like Reuben versus Dan Ash with this.
• 1:20:09
  I think it's really important the manager works with the
• 1:20:12
  hierarchy in recruitment. That's fundamentally what wins
• 1:20:15
  you games. And I think they believe that he
• 1:20:18
  has a good eye for a player and has has, has improved the
• 1:20:21
  playing squad, has has assessed which people need to be removed
• 1:20:25
  and, and assessed which people should be signed.
• 1:20:28
  And therefore whoever's taking over takes over a much cleaner
• 1:20:31
  situation. I don't think he needs to.
• 1:20:33
  The next manager doesn't need to do much.
• 1:20:35
  Well, Reuben in my opinion had a huge mess to sort out that he's
• 1:20:39
  basically 2/3 of the way there. But I think that the next moves,
• 1:20:44
  the Casimiro out, McGuire is is being slowly gone and Bruno to
• 1:20:49
  the Saudi move and then next summer you go again, whoever
• 1:20:52
  that guy. That's natural though.
• 1:20:54
  Yeah, but that's natural. These are 32 plus.
• 1:20:56
  But my point is yeah, but my point is under 10 hard.
• 1:20:58
  It would have got even worse because he would have hired more
• 1:21:01
  people from the Dutch league. Shit players, Labour, Cooton did
• 1:21:04
  the right thing and got rid of him after three games.
• 1:21:07
  Right, the guy. Was hired, You hired.
• 1:21:10
  So don't forget, don't forget that.
• 1:21:13
  Why is the conversation about tennis?
• 1:21:15
  Why are we talking about 10 hog? We're talking.
• 1:21:16
  About where we are. It's narrative about 10 hogs.
• 1:21:19
  Nonsense. And hog let's.
• 1:21:21
  Don't worry about 10 hog, it's gone.
• 1:21:23
  That was 2-3 years ago we're talking about.
• 1:21:25
  Really. Why are we not?
• 1:21:26
  Why are we? Not why are we talking about 10
• 1:21:28
  haggis, Because why am I talking about 10 hog?
• 1:21:32
  I apologise. Why am I talking about 10 hog is
• 1:21:35
  because to assess the job that Reuben's done, I'm saying look
• 1:21:39
  at what he picked up and look at where we are now.
• 1:21:42
  And in my opinion that he has done some cleanup with it.
• 1:21:46
  Scott disagrees with and that's fine.
• 1:21:48
  And now it's 10:30. It's been it's been a pleasure
• 1:21:51
  guys. We've had a long discussion.
• 1:21:54
  Ron, you have a 7:00 AM tomorrow morning.
• 1:21:56
  We've all we'll all disagree on this and let's look forward to
• 1:21:58
  the Chelsea game. You guys aren't.
• 1:22:00
  I'm going to watch it because you know you're fed up with
• 1:22:02
  watching football. I'm going to sit back.
• 1:22:05
  I'm going to, I'm actually in Manchester, but I've got a
• 1:22:08
  wedding to go to and hopefully I can sneak out, catch the game
• 1:22:13
  and. And see the three goals that you
• 1:22:15
  promised us, you think we're going to score 3 on Saturday?
• 1:22:17
  So at some point, let's see if you get these chances.
• 1:22:19
  We'll go in. Yeah.
• 1:22:21
  So. Our own goals.
• 1:22:22
  Have you noticed, have you noticed Scott, Ash and Ron are
• 1:22:25
  wearing blue? So I think they're supporting
• 1:22:27
  Chelsea so that Reuben Reuben gets the boot next week.
• 1:22:30
  So maybe you're maybe you're in my camp, but.
• 1:22:34
  Yeah, I'm just we're representing the 1968.
• 1:22:37
  Yeah, I think, yeah, we'll wrap it there.
• 1:22:40
  I think there might be another emergency pod next week, but I
• 1:22:44
  actually I can see Ineos acting before the international break.
• 1:22:48
  Time will tell. Maybe we win on Saturday.
• 1:22:51
  That's how random this team are. So you'll have to tune in for
• 1:22:54
  the next episode. So thanks for tuning in to this
• 1:22:58
  one and we'll catch you on the next one.