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Jim Bowden on NL > AL, Pads/Duran rumor, Trade Sellers, ABS delayed · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Fifty nine days, by the way, until the deadline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only person more excited than you because Michael
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Speaker 2: laves because he's like, more prospects, I can get more prospects.
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Speaker 1: Front Office unfiltered.
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Speaker 3: Our resident GM Jim Bowden joining us right now with
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Speaker 3: a fantastic backdrop.
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Speaker 2: Now, the background is awful. Do you know what that is?
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Speaker 2: It's awful background? Why do you know what that is?
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Speaker 2: That's awful? Come on, baby, should have the exploding Jim.
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Speaker 1: I love it, Jim Baby.
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Speaker 2: Let's go a j Come on, man, Jim, Jimmy, Jim
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Speaker 2: work for the Reds, you nen work for the Cubs?
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Speaker 1: Like, come on, still, background, they don't have a Reds
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Speaker 1: fat head background to throw on a wall. What was available?
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Speaker 1: It's available by fat head. So we can get.
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Speaker 2: Adam Dunn's fat head back there and cover that whole thing.
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Speaker 3: That's good, all right, let's dive into biz JB. I
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Speaker 3: want to start with the ABS Challenge system report from
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Speaker 3: a couple people. We've seen multiple reports out there that
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Speaker 3: it's not going to be ready until at least twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty seven. I think most of us were assuming this
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Speaker 3: was a twenty twenty sixth thing. Were you surprised to
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Speaker 3: see that news.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised when it came out. But I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's really the Commissioner's office or the clubs
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Speaker 1: that don't necessarily think it's ready. It's the players. And
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Speaker 1: quite frankly, Major League Baseball got the feedback from the
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Speaker 1: players during spring training when they used it, and they
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Speaker 1: got they got a lot of pushback in a lot
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Speaker 1: of different areas, and I think after conversations with the
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Speaker 1: Players Association, you know, I think they realized, hey, we
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Speaker 1: better not rush this in. I mean, remember, the CBA
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Speaker 1: expires December thirty first of twenty twenty six, so we
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Speaker 1: only have one more year. There's no point in trying
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Speaker 1: to push something that everybody is not on board with.
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Speaker 1: And I think the relationship between the Commissioner's Office and
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Speaker 1: Tony Clark and the players, it's extremely important between now
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Speaker 1: and the time that CBA expires, so we don't end
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Speaker 1: up with some kind of workstop and so working together
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Speaker 1: is important. Getting feedback is important. So I give a
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Speaker 1: lot of credit to the clubs, to the Commissioner's office
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Speaker 1: for listening to the players and saying, Okay, we're not
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Speaker 1: going to rush this thing. Let's keep working on it
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Speaker 1: until we can get it to the point where everybody's
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Speaker 1: on board.
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Speaker 2: I thought everyone was on board. The players seem to
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Speaker 2: love it. Every player I talked to loved it in
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Speaker 2: spring training. They loved it for many reasons. For the
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Speaker 2: biggest reason was it kept umpires in check. Right. They
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Speaker 2: had to not only listen to players, as you know,
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Speaker 2: Jim only get a certain amount of bats, not only
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Speaker 2: in a year, but in a career, and some for
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Speaker 2: some guys, those at bats are more important than other guys.
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Speaker 2: Right the bench guys say it's a blowout game and
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Speaker 2: they need to do something. They come in late and
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Speaker 2: they need to get a hit or a walk or
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Speaker 2: whatever it is. And sometimes umpires would loosen the strike
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Speaker 2: zone up. Okay, but every player I talk was like
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Speaker 2: it kept the umpires right straight and narrow for nine innings.
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Speaker 2: And you're ne were talking just in spring even in
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Speaker 2: spring training, because some of those games, again are more important.
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Speaker 2: So why are we waiting? Like I don't understand. Everyone
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Speaker 2: thought it was pretty good. I get your reasoning, but
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Speaker 2: to me, like, let's do this, like we rolled it
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Speaker 2: out in spring training. Fans loved it, players loved it.
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Speaker 2: Teams loved it, Let's do this well.
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Speaker 1: The reaction was mixed though, I mean, I know you
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Speaker 1: talked to a lot of players, but it was mixed
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Speaker 1: and the feedback was, hey, we're not there yet. There
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Speaker 1: was also a lot of question and debate about you know,
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Speaker 1: how many challenges does each team get? Do you get
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Speaker 1: another challenge once you've used the challenge if you win
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Speaker 1: the challenge? You know, how much power should the umpires
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Speaker 1: have late in the game, Who should have the power
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Speaker 1: to actually challenge I mean, there's a lot of issues
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Speaker 1: behind here that everybody hasn't agreed on. But you know,
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Speaker 1: the report that was out there from Bob Nightingale was
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Speaker 1: pretty clear in the information that he had learned is
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Speaker 1: that there was some pushback from a lot of players
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Speaker 1: on the way the system is right now, and they
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Speaker 1: want to correct it. They want to make it a
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Speaker 1: little bit better. And I think you make a mistake
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Speaker 1: when you roll out a new rule and you don't
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Speaker 1: have it right. You don't want to sit there and
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Speaker 1: roll it out and then on April twenty, if you
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Speaker 1: have everybody complaining and then you try to fix it.
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Speaker 1: You can't do it that way. You really have to
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Speaker 1: get it to the point where everybody's on board and
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Speaker 1: liking it. Look, we're coming down this path and whether
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a challenge system or it's just
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Speaker 1: going to be an automated strike zone, which I think
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Speaker 1: is eventually where we're going. It's gonna happen, but you
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Speaker 1: have to do it at the right time when it's
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Speaker 1: working and everybody's on board.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Jim, I want to ask you, you know, two questions,
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Speaker 4: kind of the last one on that end, because the
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Speaker 4: hitter in me wants to believe that the whole back
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Speaker 4: was from the pictures. I'm just you know, I feel
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Speaker 4: like it shrinks the zone when you watch these games.
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Speaker 4: I mean watching you know, Taylor Walls getting ejected, Soda
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Speaker 4: Stream getting ejected last night. Clearly, you know, for me,
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Speaker 4: it feels like it's going to, you know, help the
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Speaker 4: hitters out. So is was it the pictures given the
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Speaker 4: most of the backlash? And then two, I want to
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Speaker 4: touch on the Yankees Dodgers? What did you take away
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Speaker 4: from this series as far as these two teams both
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Speaker 4: in first place, you know, championship last year rematch. Give
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Speaker 4: me your thoughts on that as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were complaints from both. I'm being told
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Speaker 1: pitchers and position players. I know. I guess the biggest
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Speaker 1: name that complained about it was Max Scherzer, future Hall
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Speaker 1: of Famer. He didn't like it, he had some issues
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Speaker 1: with it. But I was told it was both pitchers
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Speaker 1: and hitters. Again, I don't have a list of players,
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Speaker 1: no one gave it to me. But I understand the
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Speaker 1: feedbacks mixed in terms of what we witnessed this weekend.
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Speaker 1: You know, I felt like on Friday night that I
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Speaker 1: was just back at the World Series in late October
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Speaker 1: and was watching the same series again. Yankees go up
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Speaker 1: five nothing, Dodgors come back, tie it, they win the game.
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Speaker 1: The two superstars of Tawny goes yard twice. Judge goes yard.
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Speaker 1: That game was so great, right, it was epic and
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Speaker 1: the better team won, kind of like at the World Series.
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Speaker 1: So then Saturday came and I got my popcorn out,
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Speaker 1: I got my over red and backer, I got the butter,
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Speaker 1: I got the salt, I filled it up. I got excited, right.
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Speaker 1: I love popcorn, and like when I go to movies,
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Speaker 1: I'll eat the whole bowl of popcorn during previews. It's
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Speaker 1: gone by the time the movie starts, so that's normally
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Speaker 1: my plan. You know, eat it in the first inning.
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Speaker 1: So I start the popcorn, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: in the first inning, it's ten to nothing and freakin'
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Speaker 1: Otani is batted three times before some of the Yankee
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Speaker 1: hitters even came to the plate. So that game stunk, right,
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Speaker 1: and then the Yankees come back and win the third game.
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Speaker 1: I guess what I learned is this number one that
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Speaker 1: we know the Dodgers are a better team. A B.
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Speaker 1: The National League Eleague teams are way better than the
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Speaker 1: American League East teams. And so when you look at
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Speaker 1: the National League teams, the best teams, I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say Dodgers, Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Padres. I think they're
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Speaker 1: the five best teams in the National League. I have
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Speaker 1: an argument that all five are better than the Tigers
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Speaker 1: and Yankees, the two best teams in the American League.
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Speaker 1: And I kind of feel like that's what I watch now.
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Speaker 1: Keep in mind, the Dodgers were able to hit the
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Speaker 1: ace Max Freed, and on Sunday we saw the Yankees
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Speaker 1: hit Yamamoto. They're best starter. So it also tells me
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Speaker 1: we get back to October, the bats are gonna rain.
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna have these one nothing, two to one
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Speaker 1: pitching duels next postseason because these big hitters that we
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Speaker 1: have on some of these lineups, they can hit the
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Speaker 1: best pitching in baseball, and we saw that in Game
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Speaker 1: one and Game three of this series.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more when you talk about the National
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Speaker 4: League being more superior.
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Speaker 5: So with that said, do.
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Speaker 4: You think this is gonna come down to it being
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Speaker 4: another year where the National League range champs? Or is
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Speaker 4: there something that the Yankees, the Tigers I'm meant to
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Speaker 4: Seattle with their rotation. I know Caro Raly's doing a
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Speaker 4: lot of the heavy lifting. Is there something in your
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Speaker 4: eyes that those teams can do to possibly, you know,
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Speaker 4: be able to have a chance, an actual chance to
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Speaker 4: reign champion as far as American League team goes?
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Speaker 1: Oh definitely. I mean, look, look, we've all watched, you know,
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Speaker 1: over the last fifteen years. I mean, how many wildcard
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Speaker 1: teams have won World champions that we weren't expecting. Right
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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago we had the Rangers and Diamondbacks,
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Speaker 1: two wildcard teams in the World Series. So yeah, as
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Speaker 1: you know, anything can happen you get to a short series. Look,
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Speaker 1: the Tigers have a rotation that can run the table
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Speaker 1: when they're healthy. The Mariners have a rotation that can
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Speaker 1: run the table went healthy. But I think in general,
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Speaker 1: if the better team wins, we're gonna have another Nation
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Speaker 1: League champion. And I'm not a better but if I
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Speaker 1: was in Vegas betting, I would bet on five National
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Speaker 1: League teams before I bet on any of the American
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Speaker 1: League teams.
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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, so let me give you I think you're
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Speaker 3: gonna like this, not a double header, but a triple
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Speaker 3: header of questions for you. JB on the Dodgers, and
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Speaker 3: then we'll move on Okay ones on a unicorn, ones
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Speaker 3: on a utility player, and ones on a trade that
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Speaker 3: was a head scratcher for me. Okay Otani another step
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Speaker 3: in the right direction, it seemed over the weekend with
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Speaker 3: his progression against hitters. Then of course he just goes
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Speaker 3: out and plays a game and had a great weekend
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Speaker 3: with the bat number two, Hessan Kim because I heard
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Speaker 3: you talk about him on your radio show on Serious XM.
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Speaker 3: Because and that plays into my third question, which is
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Speaker 3: Alexis Diaz.
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Speaker 1: I get it. The Dodgers are going to.
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Speaker 3: Outspend most teams, but Hessng Kim was not an expensive
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Speaker 3: offseason pickup for them, and he started in the miners.
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Speaker 3: There are other teams that could have made the case, Hey,
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Speaker 3: we can pay you more and you can start out
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Speaker 3: in the major leagues with us. Alexis Diaz acquired and
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Speaker 3: you're looking around like, wait, this dude was really good
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Speaker 3: and not that long ago. He should still be in
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Speaker 3: the prime of his career. So the second part after
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Speaker 3: Otani is how the Dodgers are winning at the margins
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Speaker 3: in ways that don't necessarily cost much and confuse me
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Speaker 3: because I'm like, where is the rest of the league
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Speaker 3: on some of these players?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great point. So they're smarter than most everybody else,
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Speaker 1: is the quick answer, right led by Andrew Friedman and
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Speaker 1: Brandon Gomes in the front office, and I'll include Dave
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Speaker 1: Roberts as well. The interesting part about the Dodgers that
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Speaker 1: they don't outspend people to win. They actually do a
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Speaker 1: lot of market deals and they didn't overpay to Oscar
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Speaker 1: He Andez. Plenty of teams should have offered more money
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Speaker 1: in years than what Teo got, and that's been the
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Speaker 1: history over there. They're just smarter than other teams, right
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Speaker 1: training for guys like Tommy Edmund and so you know,
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Speaker 1: you look at Otania. I'll start there with show hey
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Speaker 1: that you mentioned. Look, I love him hitting. I think
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Speaker 1: he's gonna win the MVP Award. I think he may
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Speaker 1: be the first sixty sixty player we've ever seen. He
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Speaker 1: may do it this year. It won't surprise me. But
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Speaker 1: to win a World Series, for the Dodgers, to go
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Speaker 1: back to back World Championships, it's gonna come down to
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Speaker 1: starting pitching being healthy. And the Dodger front office and
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Speaker 1: the field staff have no idea which one of their
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Speaker 1: aces can be healthy in October. Ken Blake Snell, Ken
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Speaker 1: Tyler glassnow, Ken Yamamoto, Ken Sasaki, Ken O'TWNI you know
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Speaker 1: they don't know. So the whole key is, let's try
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Speaker 1: to get all of our starters healthy for October so
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Speaker 1: we get there. Of the five aces we have, hopefully
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Speaker 1: we can get three of them that are healthy to
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Speaker 1: run the table. In terms of hussing Kim, I really
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Speaker 1: like what I've seen with him. This is a player
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Speaker 1: that is a really good defender, can really flash the leather.
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Speaker 1: This is a guy that can really run. We saw
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Speaker 1: him at a home run in that series against the
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Speaker 1: New York Yankees. He's got some power, he's got great
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Speaker 1: hand eye coordination, great back to ball skills. And the
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Speaker 1: Dodgers tell me Brandon Gomes, their GM has told me
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Speaker 1: that they believe that he can be an answer in
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Speaker 1: center field as well. But here's a guy that you
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Speaker 1: know you could play him second, short, center, left. You
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Speaker 1: know you can put him in a few spots. I
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Speaker 1: really like the player now. In terms of the trade
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Speaker 1: for Diaz, that was a moment where Andrew Friedman takes
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Speaker 1: a deep breath and says, my analytic department is better
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Speaker 1: than yours. My pitching room is better than yours. We
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Speaker 1: know how to fix players mechanically with pitch secretcing, with
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Speaker 1: pitch grips better than you. So you know, when you
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Speaker 1: give up, we'll take him. He had forty five says
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Speaker 1: for you in twenty three and twenty four. I'm sorry
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Speaker 1: you got off to a bad star for two months.
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Speaker 1: I know you don't want the contract, so I'll take it.
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Speaker 1: I'll get him, I'll fix them. I'll have another really
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Speaker 1: good reliever for the second half of the season. And
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Speaker 1: that's what Andrew does, and then he yawns and goes
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Speaker 1: back to his office.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a couple of things he's done digging. First
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Speaker 2: of all, the Dodgers get the guys, and then everyone
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Speaker 2: seems to get hurt. So I don't know. They might
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Speaker 2: have a better pitching lab and they might have better grips,
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Speaker 2: but they also have better doctors, Jim, because their whole
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Speaker 2: staff's continuously on the al So I don't know. Maybe
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Speaker 2: it's a good thing, maybe it's not a good thing,
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Speaker 2: depending on who he asked. But speaking of a guy
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Speaker 2: that went down, Corbyn birds went down. If you look
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Speaker 2: all at all the stuff and you read the lips,
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Speaker 2: my elbow it exploded or it's dead or whatever whatever
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Speaker 2: he said on that when he said to the trainer,
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Speaker 2: my elbow. Hascre to the Diamondbacks and what do they
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Speaker 2: do now? Because if he's out for a long time.
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Speaker 2: This was their big addition. Gallons, a free agent, fought
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Speaker 2: his last start, didn't get it out and gave up
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Speaker 2: like ten runs, and Wardo Rodriguez hasn't been good. They
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Speaker 2: already got rid of Monty because you know, he went
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Speaker 2: down again. What did the Diamondbacks do.
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Speaker 1: Sell mortimercell right, and not what they say taking places movie,
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Speaker 1: you become the headliner at the trade deadline with the Orioles.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what the Diamonbacks do. Look, they're twenty eight
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Speaker 1: and thirty one and they don't have the pitching to
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Speaker 1: come back. Right when you look at the their offense,
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Speaker 1: they're fourth in baseball of the thirty teams in run scored,
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Speaker 1: in home runs and ops. They don't pitch. Corbyn Burns
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Speaker 1: is their best pitcher with an ERA under three. If
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Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns needs Tommy John or is out for the year,
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Speaker 1: need some kind of surgery, uh, they're screwed. They're season's over.
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Speaker 1: You got Edwardo Rodriguez still on the injury list with
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Speaker 1: a shoulder. So what do you do. You've got Zach
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Speaker 1: Gallon and Merrill Kelly, both are going to be free agents.
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Speaker 1: You gotta hope Gallen starts to pitch better, by the way,
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Speaker 1: because he hasn't pitched well. He better pitch better. But
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Speaker 1: you shop those two starters. There's not a lot of
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Speaker 1: starters are going to be available at this deadline. You
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Speaker 1: take Josh Naylor, the first baseman who's a free agent
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Speaker 1: at the end of the year, you call Seattle. You see,
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Speaker 1: if Seattle wants a first baseman, they can hit and
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Speaker 1: drive in runs. You ask teams needing a reliever, have
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Speaker 1: you watched Shelby Miller lately to see what he's doing
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Speaker 1: for me? So that's what you do. If you're the Diamondbacks,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't see them coming back right now
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Speaker 1: because they don't have the pitching, and if you lose burdens,
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Speaker 1: they really don't have the pitching. So that's kind of
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Speaker 1: how I do it. And by the way, that team
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Speaker 1: is like the Orioles. If those two teams sell at
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Speaker 1: the deadline like they should, both of those teams can
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Speaker 1: quickly fix it in the off season and be right
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Speaker 1: back in it next year in a really good spot.
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Speaker 1: But this could be a great opportunity for both of
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Speaker 1: those franchises to do a quick reboot come July.
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Speaker 4: So let's stay right there. You gave us those two teams,
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Speaker 4: give us who else with the trade trade dadline coming
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Speaker 4: up fifty nine days away. Who are the Sailers and
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Speaker 4: and who are the players that are going to be
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Speaker 4: on those blocks?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a great, great question, Camp, So look, a lot
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Speaker 1: of these are I'll go quick with them. The Rockies,
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Speaker 1: the White Sox, the Pirates, the Athletics, the Marlins, the Angels.
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Speaker 1: All six of those teams will be selling. That's pretty obvious.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw the Washington Nationals in that as well.
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Speaker 1: That's seven. Then you add the Diamondbacks and the Oels,
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Speaker 1: you're at nine. There'll be more, but that's a really
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Speaker 1: good start.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: The problem is a lot of these teams don't have
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Speaker 1: a lot to trade right You look at the Rockies
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Speaker 1: Ryan McMahon, he's got some value. Perhaps teams looking for
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Speaker 1: an upgrade at third base. They've got Seth Halverston out
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Speaker 1: of the bullpen. Maybe someone will think they can do
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Speaker 1: something with Kyle Freeland. I don't know. The White Sox
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Speaker 1: have Lewis Robert, but not much besides that, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe the Adrian Hauser, maybe is Steven Wilson. The Pirates
16:41
Speaker 1: they don't have much, Dennis Santana, probably Andrew Haney or
16:45
Speaker 1: Adam Fraser kind of extra pieces. Athletics could move Jeffrey Springs,
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Speaker 1: who they acquired in the offseason. He's thirty two years old.
16:51
Speaker 1: They might be able to do a nice trade there.
16:54
Speaker 1: Marlins don't have much because al Contra has ruined his
16:57
Speaker 1: trade value because he's not all Contra yet, and so
17:00
Speaker 1: I think they got to hold him until his value
17:02
Speaker 1: comes back, which will be either in the offseason or
17:04
Speaker 1: next year's trade deadline. So from them you probably got
17:07
Speaker 1: Jesus Sanchez, Cal Quantrill and Anthony Bender. The Angels probably
17:11
Speaker 1: Taylor Ward, Kenley, Jansen, Tyler Anderson probably names that are
17:14
Speaker 1: out there. The Nationals probably Kyle Finnegan, Jacob Young, probably
17:19
Speaker 1: in the Knicks there. But look the headliner of this
17:22
Speaker 1: trade deadline. Think of the Orioles, Ryan O'Hearn. He'll be
17:25
Speaker 1: one of the best bats moved. Ryan Mountcastle with a
17:28
Speaker 1: pire with a power, Cedric Mullens elite defensive center fielder
17:32
Speaker 1: with speed's got ten homers. Then you've got Zach Efflin
17:35
Speaker 1: a free agent. You got Charlie Morton, who's pitching better.
17:38
Speaker 1: You got Sigano's pitching better. I mean, I just named
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Speaker 1: six guys that they can trade. So they're like the
17:44
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks with they could clean up at this trade deadline.
17:47
Speaker 1: And by the way, if Boston doesn't start playing better,
17:49
Speaker 1: they could be a fascinating team at the deadline too.
17:52
Speaker 1: Fifty nine days by the way, until the deadline. Ah.
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Speaker 2: The only person more excited than you in person. We're
18:00
Speaker 2: excited right now than you, Jim is Michael Olias because
18:02
Speaker 2: he's like, more prospects. I can get more prospects now.
18:05
Speaker 2: I don't have to sign anybody. I just get more
18:07
Speaker 2: prospects and keep them until their time has passed, and
18:10
Speaker 2: then I'll have more prospects.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. His job's on the line, though, AJ. He's got
18:14
Speaker 1: to rebuild this thing quick. I mean that's that's the
18:16
Speaker 1: way I view it. I mean, he has to have
18:18
Speaker 1: a good deadline, he has to put his team in
18:20
Speaker 1: good position. He makes some good trades at this deadline,
18:23
Speaker 1: and you go to free agency and sign a couple
18:25
Speaker 1: of really good starters that are out there. He can
18:27
Speaker 1: fix this thing quickly. But I think his jobs on
18:30
Speaker 1: the line. I JB two more for you. I'll do
18:35
Speaker 1: this second to last.
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Speaker 3: Jaron Duran San Diego Padres interest, did you see Dennis
18:40
Speaker 3: Lynn's report and what do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: From both sides? Of course Padres could.
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Speaker 3: Use someone like that.
18:46
Speaker 1: I mean they have a hole at what left field?
18:48
Speaker 3: And maybe DH But doesn't that mean the Red Sox
18:51
Speaker 3: are kind of hunting or does it open up a
18:52
Speaker 3: place for Roman Anthony to have a discussion that's worth
18:56
Speaker 3: having with them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So for the Padres, of course aj prol is
18:59
Speaker 1: gonna make that phone call. Right, I'll feel the Tatistan right,
19:02
Speaker 1: Maryland center and Duran and left that power speed combination.
19:06
Speaker 1: Duria was an All Star last year. That's a really
19:08
Speaker 1: good outfield and it's a huge hole that he's got
19:11
Speaker 1: after you know, Profar left last year in free agency,
19:14
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to really fill it. So of
19:16
Speaker 1: course he's going to make that phone call. Now. For
19:18
Speaker 1: the Red Sox, the whole thing has been perplexing because
19:22
Speaker 1: one of their top two or three players in the organization,
19:25
Speaker 1: Roman Anthony's in Triple A and they're not promoting him.
19:28
Speaker 1: And at the same time, they had no interest in
19:31
Speaker 1: moving Anthony to first or a bray You to first
19:34
Speaker 1: or Duran to first, right, So they've kind of made
19:37
Speaker 1: the decision that he's blocked. You can't bring him up
19:40
Speaker 1: to DH because you have Devers. So in order to
19:43
Speaker 1: make room for Anthony, you either got to move Rafaela
19:46
Speaker 1: to second, put Duran in center and Anthony and left,
19:49
Speaker 1: or you got to trade one of the outfield corners,
19:52
Speaker 1: and so I'm not quite completely understanding what Craig Breslo
19:55
Speaker 1: is going to do, but the Duran rumors kind of
19:57
Speaker 1: opens up that possibility that he is thinking of trading Duran,
20:02
Speaker 1: bringing Anthony up and going with Anthony, Rafaela and a
20:06
Speaker 1: Bray was the outfield. They love Rafaella defensively, and they should.
20:09
Speaker 1: He's an elite, elite defensive centerfielder with great range, great speed.
20:13
Speaker 1: He's incredible. I don't know how, but he's gonna hit.
20:16
Speaker 1: He certainly has, you know, good raw power. I don't
20:19
Speaker 1: know how much the hit tools gonna play, but that's
20:21
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think of. Devers isn't gonna
20:23
Speaker 1: move off at D eight, so that's kind of where
20:26
Speaker 1: they stand, So trading Duran makes sense.
20:28
Speaker 2: Now.
20:28
Speaker 1: The problem with the rumor is there's really not a
20:31
Speaker 1: fit between the Padres and the Red Sox. I can't
20:34
Speaker 1: find you know, they really don't have the starting pitcher
20:36
Speaker 1: to trade Boston. You know, their farm system isn't what
20:39
Speaker 1: it once was, so I don't know how those two
20:42
Speaker 1: teams would match. So I think it's unlikely there's a
20:45
Speaker 1: trade there, but it would not surprise me at all.
20:48
Speaker 1: If Craig Breslow, the gem of the Red Sox plan
20:51
Speaker 1: is to trade Duran because otherwise, why haven't you made
20:55
Speaker 1: room for Anthony? It just doesn't make sense. Great.
20:59
Speaker 2: Speaking of prospects, there's a big one coming for Kansas City.
21:02
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask you this question. Jim is a
21:04
Speaker 2: former GM. Is it easier to find pitching help in
21:07
Speaker 2: the draft or guys that can possibly hit you forty homers?
21:12
Speaker 1: So let me answer it this way. When you draft
21:17
Speaker 1: a pitcher in that first round, and Jack Caglion was
21:21
Speaker 1: the sixth player taken in the first round, Billy being
21:24
Speaker 1: the former president GM of the A's really said it
21:27
Speaker 1: simply before the algorithms all came out. But he said
21:31
Speaker 1: it simply, for every picture you get, one is gonna
21:34
Speaker 1: live up the expectations, one is gonna blow out, and
21:37
Speaker 1: one is gonna regress. Those aren't good odds with your
21:41
Speaker 1: first round pick. But if you take in the first
21:43
Speaker 1: round a guy that can hit big league pitching and
21:46
Speaker 1: as power, that guy's gonna play and he's gonna play
21:49
Speaker 1: for years to come. So when you're talking about the
21:51
Speaker 1: first round pick, if there's a choice between a pitchure
21:55
Speaker 1: or a hitter, and there's similar talents. You take the
21:58
Speaker 1: hitter because of the risk factor. Now, if there's a
22:01
Speaker 1: Paul Schemes or Steven Strawsbury there, obviously you do that.
22:05
Speaker 1: But yeah, it look, I think without a doubt, this
22:09
Speaker 1: kid Jack cagleon he's Matt Olson, that's what he is.
22:12
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got thirty five forty home run power.
22:15
Speaker 1: And the thing that's great about him is how much
22:18
Speaker 1: plate coverage he gets. Because you'll look at some of
22:21
Speaker 1: the analytics and people will complain, well, he chases out
22:24
Speaker 1: of the strike zone. You know what he does out
22:26
Speaker 1: of the strike zone. He mashes out of the strike zone.
22:29
Speaker 1: Because of his frame and his long levers, he can
22:32
Speaker 1: actually do damage outside on the outside corner, on the
22:36
Speaker 1: inside corner. I mean, it's unbelievable. And by the way
22:39
Speaker 1: he uses the entire field these foul pole the foul pole.
22:42
Speaker 1: This isn't just a young pole hitter. So again he's Olsen.
22:46
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I think he's gonna have
22:47
Speaker 1: some trouble on balls up in the strike zone, but
22:50
Speaker 1: he's a star. Look, he's only played what fourteen games
22:52
Speaker 1: in the outfield, twelve and right and a couple of
22:55
Speaker 1: games in left field, but yeah, he's going to be
22:57
Speaker 1: a star.
22:58
Speaker 2: All right. My is how does he fall to sixth?
23:01
Speaker 2: I want into last year saying he should be one
23:03
Speaker 2: one because of just the raw power. Now, Bazana's fine.
23:06
Speaker 2: I know that's a Cleveland. We can sign him for
23:09
Speaker 2: a probably less deal. But I look at like Charlie Condon.
23:12
Speaker 2: I know he had a one big year at Georgia
23:14
Speaker 2: and he jumped in the conversation. But Nick Kurtz is
23:17
Speaker 2: already in the big leagues and he's producing before you
23:20
Speaker 2: know he got hurt. But my question is really, like
23:22
Speaker 2: the reason I asked the question is I'm a White
23:24
Speaker 2: Sox fan, right, and they drafted Hagen Smith to pick
23:27
Speaker 2: before Kagleam. What can't the White Sox do? They can't hit,
23:32
Speaker 2: So why would you not draft the guy, especially in
23:34
Speaker 2: that ballpark and in that division, like you got to hit?
23:38
Speaker 2: Like That's why I want to know. Is it easier
23:40
Speaker 2: to develop a picture or a hitter or to find
23:43
Speaker 2: a picture a hitter because the White Sox they're supposed
23:45
Speaker 2: to have fe you know, Hagen Smith and Noah Schultz
23:47
Speaker 2: and all these pictures coming. But you look at him
23:49
Speaker 2: and They've had a really hard time developing anybody that
23:52
Speaker 2: can hit worth a crap, right, So why would you
23:54
Speaker 2: not take the guy that hit forty homers every year
23:57
Speaker 2: in the SEC against SEC, against Smith and some of
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Speaker 2: these other guys. That was the only reason I asked
24:03
Speaker 2: the question, and the way you answered it made total sense.
24:06
Speaker 2: But to me, it's like, how do you pass on
24:08
Speaker 2: caglion for anybody when you can't hit?
24:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. I mean, I think the hardest thing
24:13
Speaker 1: to do in baseball is hit big league pitching. Hit
24:18
Speaker 1: major league pitching at ninety eight miles an hour with
24:20
Speaker 1: these unbelievable vertical and horizontal breaks and all the differential
24:25
Speaker 1: and speed changes. And I mean, in sports, is there
24:27
Speaker 1: anything harder to do than hitting a baseball? And when
24:30
Speaker 1: you get those guys that can hit, yeah, that's where
24:32
Speaker 1: I'm going. I'm taking the hitters every single time. I
24:35
Speaker 1: learned by failure. And the other thing that I will say, though,
24:40
Speaker 1: is look, it's not a perfect science either. Look at
24:42
Speaker 1: the year Jacob Wilson is adding with Oakland, or I
24:46
Speaker 1: should say the Athletics. I'm sorry, West Sacramento Athletics. But
24:49
Speaker 1: the season he's having at the plate that has been unbelievable,
24:53
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of really good hitters that
24:55
Speaker 1: were taken before him in that particular draft, so it's not,
24:59
Speaker 1: you know, a perfec science. To answer your question, I
25:01
Speaker 1: would have taken Cagalion without a doubt. I would have
25:04
Speaker 1: taken Kurts. I mean, I would take a hitter there.
25:07
Speaker 1: You know. The only time that I change is if
25:09
Speaker 1: the guy is a generational ace, because it's too that's
25:13
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to get in baseball because it's either
25:16
Speaker 1: costing three hundred million dollars in free agency because you
25:22
Speaker 1: can't even trade your farm system really to get that guy.
25:24
Speaker 1: So if Sken's and Strasburg are there, I'm doing that. Otherwise,
25:27
Speaker 1: you know, I'm taking the mark to share. I'm taking
25:29
Speaker 1: to Joe Mauer and it's the hit tool first and
25:32
Speaker 1: the power follows. In Caglion as both JB.
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Speaker 3: You brought absolute heat. I am very excited for the
25:39
Speaker 3: trade deadline as well, under sixty days until that point.
25:42
Speaker 3: We'll talk a lot up until that point as well.
25:44
Speaker 3: I love your backdrop. Thank you, talk soon.
25:47
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, And he's bringing it today.
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