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M and M EXTRA JUNE 1, 2026: Redemption, Grace… and Massages · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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  Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and wisdom from Light.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: That's it is, and we welcome you into this playground
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  Speaker 2: that takes place after the news has pretty well been
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  Speaker 2: covered and after our respective shows are done, and after
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  Speaker 2: we've had all kinds of things to say, but simply
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  Speaker 2: perceived that there's more to say about those items are
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  Speaker 2: totally different things. I'm Mark Davis, that's Mike Gallagher. We
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  Speaker 2: are the MS here and the fledgling experience that is
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  Speaker 2: eminem Extra, having the time of our lives.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I love it. There's all and there's always more
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  Speaker 3: to say. Come on, who I mean, let's not kidd.
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  Speaker 2: Prove We've proven that, man, always there's ows out in fact,
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  Speaker 2: in fact.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get into some fun stuff and I know
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  Speaker 3: you to be lighthearted a little bit today and hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're just zooming along June, just having the time of
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  Speaker 3: our lives doing this M and M Extra. But before
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  Speaker 3: we get too much into the fun and frivolity. I
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  Speaker 3: want to take us back a few weeks to a
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  Speaker 3: very serious topic that I think you and I missed,
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  Speaker 3: And I'm going to give you a little quiz. Do
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  Speaker 3: you remember the story of the seventy one year old
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  Speaker 3: man who's pushed down the steps at a subway entrance
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  Speaker 3: in New York City and was killed? Okay? The guy
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  Speaker 3: that was was arrested and charged with the crime had
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  Speaker 3: been arrested many many times. I'll bet you haven't even
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  Speaker 3: heard this part of the story. Mark, get this now.
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  Speaker 3: I've been up and down the subway steps a million
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  Speaker 3: times in my life. You and your Lisa have gone
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  Speaker 3: taken the subway before. It's still a great mode of
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  Speaker 3: transportation if you live in and around Manhattan. However, subway
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  Speaker 3: violence is increasingly dangerous. And there was a guy, an
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  Speaker 3: elderly man early seventies, was just minding his own business
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  Speaker 3: middle of the day, started to walk down the steps
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  Speaker 3: and this lunatic comes from behind and viciously shoves him
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  Speaker 3: to his death. The man cracked his head open, and
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  Speaker 3: the guy was killed. And Mark, this man are you
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  Speaker 3: ready for this was a social worker who mentored at
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  Speaker 3: risk youth. So this man who had a lifetime of
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  Speaker 3: service to help people in need and to help kids
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  Speaker 3: like the young man that killed him. The police say
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  Speaker 3: he was killed by somebody he could have very well
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  Speaker 3: been helping in life. And that's the bitter irony. But
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  Speaker 3: here's the worst part of all. And you're gonna this
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  Speaker 3: is the display of progressivism derangement. This is the left
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  Speaker 3: on full display. White liberal women, you ready for this?
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  Speaker 3: The guy was released a mere five hours before he
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  Speaker 3: police say, killed this guy. Okay, he was facing other
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  Speaker 3: criminal charges. Do you want to know why he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: prosecuted on the other charges? Please? His two female victims
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  Speaker 3: separate from one another. Both of them were reluctant to
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  Speaker 3: prosecute because are you sitting down? I can see you are, Iam. Indeed,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't want to be responsible for sending yet another
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  Speaker 3: black man to jail. Can't have that. They didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to send another black man to jail. How'd you like
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  Speaker 3: to lose a loved one to a brutal murder because
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  Speaker 3: the people he terrorized before they terrorized your loved one
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to prosecute him, didn't want to press charges
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  Speaker 3: because they didn't want to send another black man to jail.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's why OJ walked free. I guess I was
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  Speaker 2: fairly fairly comfortable that OJ was not going to kill
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  Speaker 2: anybody else. This guy, however, not as reliable a bed.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess this is what whether it's jurors or
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  Speaker 2: potential witnesses.
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  Speaker 3: There, I will never know you.
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  Speaker 2: And I will never know what it's like to have
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  Speaker 2: ancestors who were so brutally disadvantaged through earlier stages of
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  Speaker 2: American history. I thus do not know, if I hope,
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  Speaker 2: I pray I wouldn't. I don't know that if I
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  Speaker 2: would feel the urge walking around in modern America to say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to try to bring some
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  Speaker 2: levelness to the playing field. Maybe two wrongs do make
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  Speaker 2: a right and view everything that from slavery to Jim
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  Speaker 2: Crow to all the things we talk about all the time.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, We're gonna return some balance to the universe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to see what I can do to have
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  Speaker 2: some guilty black people go free, as if that's justified.
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  Speaker 3: Let me give you a kind of a real world
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  Speaker 3: example of something that applied to me a year ago
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  Speaker 3: at a parking garage. Check this out. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's a mystery. You know. You and I've danced around
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  Speaker 3: the fact that I have a Tesla. I don't like
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  Speaker 3: to make a big deal about it on the radio
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  Speaker 3: show or Salem News channel. We've got I know, but
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  Speaker 3: I do have happen to drive a Tesla, and Tesla's
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  Speaker 3: have what they call sentry mode cameras, always going, always going.
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  Speaker 3: So I dropped my car off once at the Tampa
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  Speaker 3: Airport for a business trip. In fact, I came to
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  Speaker 3: see you in Dallas. It was something I was doing
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  Speaker 3: in Dallas last year. Yep, and my alarm went off
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  Speaker 3: on my app, which is all that Tesla is all
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  Speaker 3: about apps and technology. Somebody was trying to open my
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  Speaker 3: car door and it notified me. And when that happens,
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  Speaker 3: you can look at the video that the car took
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  Speaker 3: of the person trying to open your car amended. Isn't
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  Speaker 3: that amazing? I mean, this is what technology is. And
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about AI and technology and all
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  Speaker 3: this stuff in a minute or two, but this is
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  Speaker 3: how wonderful the technology can be. So sure enough I
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  Speaker 3: looked at the app. There was the kid. It was
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  Speaker 3: a young black man trying to open the car door,
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  Speaker 3: and I could see on the camera he was going
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  Speaker 3: up and down the row of all the cars trying
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  Speaker 3: to see what car was unlocked. And all he was
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  Speaker 3: doing was trying to unlock each one of those car doors.
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  Speaker 3: Long story short, they got him. They arrested this kid.
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  Speaker 3: They brought him in for questioning, and the Tampa police
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  Speaker 3: called me and they said, we've got this guy because
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  Speaker 3: of the surveillance video and because of another couple of
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  Speaker 3: other circumstances, we found out who he was. He actually
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  Speaker 3: works or worked I guess at the time at the airport. Right,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he still works there, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to guess him to be twenty twenty one years old,
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  Speaker 3: maybe twenty two years old. Right. The officer calls me
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  Speaker 3: and says, Mike, thanks to your help because I sent
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  Speaker 3: the video of him to the police, which is another
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  Speaker 3: great tool. I mean, this is a great technology. Right.
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  Speaker 3: They said, we've got the guy right now, back in
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  Speaker 3: the interrogation room. He is a wreck. He's crying, he's remorseful,
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  Speaker 3: and he goes, I'll tell you that he's got a
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  Speaker 3: pretty sad story. He's got his mother just died. Literally,
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  Speaker 3: he goes, and I verified all this he's a mess,
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  Speaker 3: and he's scared to death. He's I said, is he'd
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  Speaker 3: done anything before? He goes, he's got never been in
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  Speaker 3: trouble with the law before, He's never done Yep, he's
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  Speaker 3: never He has no record whatsoever. He goes to tell
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  Speaker 3: you the truth. I think it was kind of a desperate,
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  Speaker 3: you know, one off, but I don't know that for sure.
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  Speaker 3: But he said, you're the key, Mike. He said, if
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  Speaker 3: you want to press charges, we can go after this guy.
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  Speaker 3: But he goes, You're really the only one left who
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  Speaker 3: can prosecute him. And I thought about it, Mark and
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  Speaker 3: I prayed about it, and I I was convinced that
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  Speaker 3: the cop, that the detective who called me was accurate.
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  Speaker 3: The kid was remort The young man was remorseful. He
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  Speaker 3: was scared. He knew he screwed up. He was about
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  Speaker 3: to go off, by the way, get this to his
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  Speaker 3: like a second year of college. He was making something
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  Speaker 3: of himself. And I thought, do I want to have
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  Speaker 3: a hand in wrecking this trajectory of his life and
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  Speaker 3: prosecute him, or do I say, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to do it. I want him to hopefully
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  Speaker 3: be scared straight. He won't ever do anything like that again.
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  Speaker 3: Now you know what decision I made. I didn't press charges.
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  Speaker 3: But now I'm thinking about this case and the case
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  Speaker 3: of the two you know, snowflake liberal women who wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: press charges, and now somebody's dead because of it.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like they're very, very different. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: for a minute that any of these other scofflaws in
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  Speaker 2: any of these other cases were as meritorious as the
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  Speaker 2: case that you've described, because this really does. And I
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  Speaker 2: would have done exactly the same thing, and one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent the same thing, But I'll tell you what it
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  Speaker 2: would have hinged on is no priors and seemingly plausible
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  Speaker 2: contrition if you have that, and also seemingly functional life underway.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in second chances, third, fourth, and
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  Speaker 2: fifth maybe not so much. And if he if he
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  Speaker 2: seemed deserving, then then I think he did exactly the
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  Speaker 2: right thing. And this is where you and I should
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  Speaker 2: both pause and recognize that there are people watching and
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  Speaker 2: or listening to us right now.
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  Speaker 3: Who think you pussed out, who.
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  Speaker 2: Think that that that, and and then there's an argument
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  Speaker 2: that can be made because I guess we need a
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  Speaker 2: drone to follow him around for the rest of his life,
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  Speaker 2: and if he does anything like ever, it's largely now
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  Speaker 2: your fault. But since it's impossible to know that, and
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  Speaker 2: I say that tongue in cheek, I think I think
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  Speaker 2: you did one hundred percent the right thing.
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  Speaker 3: Just consider me the Jean vale Jean of Tampa, Florida.
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  Speaker 3: It was a loaf of bread. I did all. I
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  Speaker 3: was just stealing that. He was just stealing a loaf
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  Speaker 3: of bread to feed his family. Really, I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: don't make a lot of musical theater references, but the
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  Speaker 3: Victor Hugo novel of Jean Valjean and Javert and Les
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  Speaker 3: miserab it is one of the most beautiful moments of
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  Speaker 3: anything I've ever heard, any work of art I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 3: or literature or stage play. Because Jean Valjean it gets
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know, the whole story about I know,
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  Speaker 3: I know nothing about this. That's I'm just listening, all right,
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 2: This is Chinese to me, But this is why the
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  Speaker 2: podcast exists.
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  Speaker 3: So Jean val Jean Valjean. While Jean Valjean, this character
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  Speaker 3: in the Victor Hugo's novel Le Misera nothing so he
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  Speaker 3: was a man who wound up being convicted of stealing
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  Speaker 3: a loaf of bread, and he went on the run,
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  Speaker 3: and and he was trying to feed his dying child.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's this whole gloom and doom, horrible, very
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  Speaker 3: depressing show. But anyway, a very depressing story. But he
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  Speaker 3: winds up in a in a monastery. Oh, they somehow
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  Speaker 3: bring him before a priest in like a a in
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  Speaker 3: a rectory, you know where the priests live or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And and Javert catches Jean Valjean and he brings them
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  Speaker 3: before the priest and the because he's oh, he stole
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  Speaker 3: from the priest. That's what it was. He stole the
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  Speaker 3: loaf of bread from the priest. And the priest says,
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  Speaker 3: in a moment of being able to have retribution and accountability,
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  Speaker 3: he says, no, he didn't steal from me. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: here take these gold candlesticks and take them to feed
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  Speaker 3: your family. And he gives them in front of the
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  Speaker 3: cops to show the grace and mercy of a good
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  Speaker 3: and just man. And because of that, Jean Valjean goes
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  Speaker 3: onto a path of righteousness. He becomes the mayor of
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  Speaker 3: a city, He becomes a productive member of society. And
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  Speaker 3: I remember just when I was a kid that all
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  Speaker 3: Aim is a rob. I was so blown away because
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  Speaker 3: you know what that is, that's grace and mercy, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm so glad.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad, I asked B. And I never thought i'd say,
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  Speaker 2: this makes me want to go see the musical.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to and I know you would tell
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  Speaker 2: me to see it on stage. Who is in They
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  Speaker 2: did a film version of this not long ago, Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Jackman and who's the woman?
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  Speaker 3: Who's the woman?
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  Speaker 2: Will try to think of who plays a famous woman?
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  Speaker 3: I mean it was and and h Russell Crowe is
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  Speaker 3: in it. Russell Crowe plays Javert.
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  Speaker 2: And Hathaway Anne Hathaway, she was at the ex right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a they they really sang and B.
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  Speaker 2: I think they did a whole lot of like one
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  Speaker 2: shot complicated things was like ready go and they just
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  Speaker 2: go like they are on stage for fifteen thirty forty
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  Speaker 2: one take so and it's.
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  Speaker 3: And it really it's probably and look, it was my
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  Speaker 3: Denisi's favorite musical of all time. She lovely mis and
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  Speaker 3: it's just powerful and there's some comedy and it's a yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I have you ever have a chief. If you guys
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  Speaker 3: ever have a chance to see a touring production of
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  Speaker 3: Lames rob you should go see it because it's one. Well.
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  Speaker 2: Now here's the here's the que Here's the qualifier though,
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  Speaker 2: is that it is such a beautiful story. What it
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  Speaker 2: requires is someone who, upon receipt of that grace, acts
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  Speaker 2: right careers. Has the receptor is to go, Wow, I
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  Speaker 2: just lucked out. I am so fortunate. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: take this as a moment to check myself so that
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  Speaker 2: I don't wreck myself and and move forward and improve
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  Speaker 2: my life and improve my behavior. Yeah, the likelihood of
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  Speaker 2: that on the streets of Tampa, New York DFWR are
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  Speaker 2: somewhat less.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit it could be less. But but then again,
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  Speaker 3: that's the that's the gamble of grace and forgiveness and redemption,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's the that's the mystery behind it. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what I loved about it, because when that priest
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  Speaker 3: showed him that kindness, it changed everything. It changed his
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  Speaker 3: whole trajectory. You know. We just we're from the middle
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  Speaker 3: of this beautiful prison Fellowship Angel Tree campaign where we
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  Speaker 3: send kids of prisoners to summer camp and these kids.
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  Speaker 3: The reason it's such a beautiful project is that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these kids find the Lord at these summer
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  Speaker 3: camps because they're Christian. They're christ centered camps. And so
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  Speaker 3: these kids get sent to a summer camp for a week.
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  Speaker 3: They are the children of incarcerated people in America, and
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  Speaker 3: these children wind up being with other kids their age.
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  Speaker 3: They get to hike and canoe and do all the
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  Speaker 3: fun things at summer camp, but they also learn about
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  Speaker 3: the Gospel. They learn about Christ's love and God's redemption.
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  Speaker 3: And these kids in many cases accept Jesus as their
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  Speaker 3: savior and they take a path mark they do. They
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  Speaker 3: do a Jean Valjean. They take a turn, and instead
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  Speaker 3: of following in the footstep maybe of their parents who
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  Speaker 3: made bad decisions, a lot of these kids make good decisions.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy, and this guy, if you said he
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  Speaker 2: seems to be like his early twenties, he may in
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  Speaker 2: his thirties, his forties, and his fifties. Remember that day
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  Speaker 2: in the mid twenty twenties when someone made the choice
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  Speaker 2: not to press charges and thus literally saved his life.
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  Speaker 3: A big fat mouth talk show hosta.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly right, and make sure make sure you get credit
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  Speaker 2: for that, Oh gracious.
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  Speaker 3: Lessons, lessons, lessons, lessons. All right, let's talk life, Let's
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  Speaker 3: talk vices, let's talk our pleasures. It's no secret how
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  Speaker 3: much I love theater. It's no secret how much you
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  Speaker 3: love NASA. You have been dying to bag on me
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  Speaker 3: about one of my adulces a hard time about it.
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  Speaker 2: The history is in a prior episode of the eminem Extra,
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  Speaker 2: where literally anything can happen. You wandered into the notion
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  Speaker 2: of one of your In fact, I said, it's not
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  Speaker 2: a vice, it's an indulgence. Just we also better words.
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  Speaker 2: That's a better word, right, because the ice is like smoking,
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  Speaker 2: drink and gambling, blah blah blah. And and I at
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  Speaker 2: that point, because we were close to the end of
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  Speaker 2: that time, and I said, stop it. We we must
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  Speaker 2: have the massage round table. This is a universe, really,
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  Speaker 2: this is a universe in which I have universe I've experienced,
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  Speaker 2: but in a much more limited and very different way.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes instant questions that I have for you
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  Speaker 2: as a veteran of this environment. So let's let's go
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  Speaker 2: Q and A. I can give you the whole history,
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  Speaker 2: how many then then do that and then where I
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  Speaker 2: want to land is how many of these do you do?
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  Speaker 2: I have some procedural questions, and the reason for this
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  Speaker 2: is everything I do, every rabbit hole, everything we do
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  Speaker 2: is designed and there are plenty for people who are
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  Speaker 2: listening in or watching to go huh I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: of doing that, I might or I'll never do that,
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  Speaker 2: or I may take that trip, or I may see
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  Speaker 2: that play, or I may read that book.
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  Speaker 3: Every experience that.
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  Speaker 2: We have is just projected out into the ether so
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  Speaker 2: that people can do with it what they will. So
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  Speaker 2: Mike's massage history.
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  Speaker 3: Go well years ago, Denise and I went to a
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  Speaker 3: couple's course at our church at fact church that you know,
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  Speaker 3: White's Chapel, Methodist Church at South Lake and where we
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  Speaker 3: became dear friends with Pastor John mckeller and Norma Quinn
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  Speaker 3: was an associate pastor at the time, and we became very,
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  Speaker 3: very engaged in the church community as much as we could.
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  Speaker 3: And there was a couple's course and it was just
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  Speaker 3: about strengthening your marriage, strengthening your personal life, your life
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  Speaker 3: work balance. It was just a great overview of just
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  Speaker 3: how to live a better life. And one of the
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  Speaker 3: things that was the takeaway when they were evaluating Denise
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  Speaker 3: and me. In my case, it was I don't have
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  Speaker 3: enough me time. I don't have enough time where I
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  Speaker 3: just have an indulgence for just me, something that I
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  Speaker 3: could really enjoy, something that I could benefit from, something
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  Speaker 3: that would make me better spiritually or physically, or emotionally
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  Speaker 3: or psycho. So the suggestion from the person teaching the
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  Speaker 3: course was Mike, do you get massage therapy? Do you
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  Speaker 3: ever get massages? And I'm like, well, not real And
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't really, I hadn't done that many massages in
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: my life. I mean, who does that? Right? Well, the
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: lady said, go book a massage, and so Denise. A
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: week or so after that course, she gave me a
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: gift certificate to a massage therapy place in Keller and
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I walked in and did a ninety minute massage and
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: it was transformational, life changing. It changed my life. It
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: was ninety minutes of bliss right into You didn't start
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: out with a fifty I didn't, Denise. Denise paid for
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: a ninety minut gift certificate. So I took ninety minutes,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: and about fifteen minutes in I remember laying on my
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: stomach with my head in the cradle and the massage
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: was going so well that I started to fall asleep,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: and I didn't quite fall asleep. I was in that
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: zone between sleep and awake, and it's the most enjoyable.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow. Fast forward to Mike the Pathetic
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Widower at age sixty six in twenty twenty six. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: get at least one sometimes two a week without fail,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: without fail, and if I don't get one, I feel cranky.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I feel my bones are creaky. Because the good therapists
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: not only are they very relaxing, but the therapeutic version
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: of the stretching that they can do, because look, I
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: had a hip replacement twelve or fifteen years ago, so
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: it sometimes it gets a little stiff. They get in
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: there and they stretch your legs and they sometimes I
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: put you they feel like you're turning into a pretzel.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: And it's the best. It's the best indulgence that I've
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: ever had in my life. And I don't have a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: lot of indulgences. I don't drink. I'm pretty much a teetotaler.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I eat a little too much. That's why I thank
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Goodness for PhD and I try to keep that in check.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: But I don't do a lot of I don't gamble
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: a lot, but but for me, that's that's and I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: by the way, I'm gonna turn this around on you
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: in a minute, buddy, But that's my big indulgence is
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: at least one a week, maybe two massages a week
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: without fail, every week of my life. And it's the smartest,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: best investment in me I think I've ever done. So
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: there is tremendous.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I completely share your high regard for doing this and
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: appreciate the value of doing this as someone who has
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: had this done myself in a very very different vein
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and a little bit of what kind of thing. So
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it's nineteen eighty six or seven. I'm in Memphis and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: starting to do and I've been doing talk shows for
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: four or five years and starting to get into the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: notion of doing live endorsements, which which we all love
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: in the talk radio world, love those live endorsements. And
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: so I was doing like a doctor's office and a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: car dealership and a restaurant here and there. And I
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: became aware of a somebody who owned a spa. And
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: when I say a spa, it wasn't just for women.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I mean they did facials, they did massages, they did
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: all kinds of things, but it was like some of
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: it was therapeutic stuff for athletes and maybe some stretching
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't just a woman.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Place because they were interested in me doing live spots
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: for them. So what you do the drill is you
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: go with the salesperson, the account executive, and you go
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: visit the place. And I said, absolutely, I love to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: go meet these people, meet them, get them to know me.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: They knew me, they listened to me already. They're on
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: WHBQ in Memphis. So I'm sitting in there and learning
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the place and seeing all the equipment and seeing all
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the rooms. I said, this is great. I absolutely cannot
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: wait to start making y'all's phone ring and having a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: wonderful shared relationship. And the lady who owns the place says,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: would you said would you like a massage? And I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: didn't know, and I thought you meant like in general
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: at some point, and no, she met right now, right now,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and I didn't.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I listened.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: At this point, I'm twenty eight or something on Jess,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I even have this gig. I'm eager
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to plead. I don't want to say no to anybody.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: They're going to give me money the least I could do,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: so I said, absolutely, let's go.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Let's go. Sure, I've never I.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Have I ever had this done in my life, no professionally,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: real world, I've never had this done before in my That.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Was your very first professional massage, very first.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Now fast for fast forward for a second before I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: come back to the Memphis story. Is there's a difference
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: between the messur and the messes. Is your therapist always male,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: always female?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Or who cares? Who cares? It doesn't matter to me.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: It really doesn't matter one way or the other. I
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: mean matters to me. It matters why well, why well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: why would it matter? Because this is interesting. It show
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: it sure is, this is therapeutic. This is not.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: No, of course, there's no by definition, there's nothing sexual
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to it. By definition, there's a certified it's totally all
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: above board.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I don't need a dude handling up on me. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: just don't. And which means to you it's somewhat sexual.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: No, okay, except it except uh huh, except it doesn't
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: because well.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Then it wouldn't matter, which means I you ever got
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: a prostate exam. All right, did you need a female
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: doctor to do that? I don't think so.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I Uh, okay, this is wild since it's wow, this
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is deep, this is deep therapy. In a number of ways,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I've had male I've had male doctors and female doctors. Yes,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: for the most personal of things. Yes, it didn't matter,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: didn't matter. Had a woman do a hernia check didn't matter.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really doesn't matter to me either. I've had
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: a woman. I actually had a female. I had a No,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I've never had a female doctor do a prostate exam,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: but I've had a female doctor do a hernia check. Yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: you're all out. But look, if there's a professionals, there's
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: a professionals, it shouldn't matter. I know it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But here's the funny thing. Now, a couple of other layers.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And then we're going back to Memphis. When you mentioned
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: about Denise and the couple's thing, Ye, did you did
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you guys ever do a couple's massage?
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Yes? On cruises? Oh, we did them all time, all
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: the time, for years. Because Denise, she took me on
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: a cruise. Once I thought I was gonna hate it,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: wound up being the best vacation I ever took. I
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: love cruises. I love getting on a cruise ship and
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: unpacking one time, having seven ports of call you get off.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: And yes they always have spas, And yes, she and
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I did couples massages all the time. She loved it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I loved it. It was And look at Yasmin. By
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the way, how good is Yasmin? Who knew there was massage?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: B roll an extra podcast? Who knew? Who knew? I
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: love him? We have that's Yasmin. This good work yas
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: But I love that. So the reason I.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Asked is the couple's massage is all I do. It's
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: all we do. Lisa and I always go together, we
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: always book it together.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think she would say, I don't think. Wait
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: a minute, so you have a female therapist? Does she
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: have a male therapist?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: No, she does not because she wants a woman too,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and let's find or she realizes that while I don't
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: need a dude handle it up on me, sure is shooting,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: don't need a dude handle it up on her?
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Four female.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So that is all women, all women, all the time.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That's the way we were all Back to Memphis nineteen seven,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: A massage inist get it play as sage, massage it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Let's see what I did there. Anyway, back to Memphis,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I'm in the sorry exactly, so I'm in the place.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Would would you like a massage? And I'm saying if
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I and I said no, we are like right now,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: do you have time? I said absolutely? And she goes Lamont.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Lamont doesn't suck a female name.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Lamont rolls in and he is like, he's just a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: really big, buff black man and I could not care.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I could not care less than I really don't care now.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: It's just a preference thing. So the first one that
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I ever got, and I think that he did a
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: lot of.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: The athlete time, time out timeout. What didn't you like
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: that he was, that he was a guy, or that
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: he was black? Stop it? That obviously has nothing. What's
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: ever to do it? I just want to sort of
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I just sort of wanted to complete.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: The visual because it's like, yes, let let us go
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: so and I'm gonna tell you the dog one greatest
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: thing in the world. See just simply simply wonderful. And
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: this is kind of a bit and only slightly and
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: just kind of have a little fun here.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I don't probably don't need a dude like ever. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: wasn't a problem. It wasn't.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It's just a kind of a fifty one forty nine preference.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But I realized at that time this is something really,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: really wonderful, and now here in my sixties and stuff,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: we try to do it as often as possible.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, but by a way, let's me finish this thought
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: for a minute, because it goes back to that couple's theories.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Let me go back to this for a minute. Yes,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: because it's really important that we take a moment. If
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you take anything away from this segment today, on on
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: on our on our extra, yep, take care of yourself too.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: You got to think about it, and I don't do that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I didn't do that then. I probably don't do it
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: enough now though now you know, my life is slower
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: and I get to have a lot more alone time.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: But but and goodness knows, again, I'm committed once or
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: twice a week to get that ninety minutes of bliss.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: But on the other hand, too many of us don't
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: take a moment to slow down and enjoy and treat yourself.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: You treat other people. If you're married, you got kids
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: and grandkids, whatever it may be. You're running around, you're
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: doing your thing, but you're not taking care of yourself.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: And that was a lesson that I learned from that
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: really important class all those years ago at White's Chapel.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Take time to treat yourself. You deserve it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: You'll be a better husband, you'll be a better wife,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: you'll be a better parent, all of the things that
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: require giving. If you could just take these little moments
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and do something for yourself, it'll give you more energy
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: A couple of quick questions. What is your level of pressure?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I kind of like fairly deep, medium to deep, especially
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: on my lower back and all my hips and all that,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and and if they can stretch. I love stretches. But yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I like what about you? I mean, I don't like light.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: What's the point of light? You know? Might? Why are
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: you there? Medium to deep?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I like it to I like it to almost hurt. Now,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: there are some peoples like the deep, where like the
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: hurting is the point. No, No, that's not why I'm
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in there. That is not why I'm in Well.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Let me let me let me end this provocative conversation.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Last one final question. All right, but one of the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: funniest story massage stories I could ever share with you.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I love going to Japan. In fact, I just got
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: back from the third, my third trip to Japan. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: love Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto. That place is unbelievab mark you
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and Lisa would just I'm blown away by, first of all,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the way everything works over there. The society, wow, oh
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: my gosh, clean and polite, and everything is just it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: a different world over there, and technology of courses out
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: of this world. And it was one of the best.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: It's always one of the best vacations ever took. Two
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: times ago, I went and hired a massage therapist. And
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: this lady was about seventy five years old. She was
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: about four foot ten, this tiny old Japanese woman who
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: didn't speak a word of English. She was booked through
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the hotel. She had the table. She wheeled the table
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: into the room. She opened up the table. I got
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: up on the table, she jumped up on top, she
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: got up on top of me, and I'm going to
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: tell you right now, I thought I was gonna die
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: from I was in agony. She went so deep and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I started groaning like, oh my lord, stop it. I
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: mean it killed me. She's sticking her she's sticking her
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: elbows into my ribs, digging into me. Oh, I had
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: bruises for weeks. The woman about killed me. And since
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: she didn't speak English, she couldn't understand. Please go lighter,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: isn't there? I was doing, I was, and I was,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I was moaning, I was groaning, I was grunting. It was.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: It was sixty minutes of pure hell. I could barely
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: walk for a week afterwards. It was one of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: worst experiences of my life. And that little old lady
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: she I bet she was seventy five. If she was
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a day, I thought she can't lift a twig. Oh yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: the strongest women. She's probably still going strong over there
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: in Japan's. So here's the thing, this is what people
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: want to know. And for the first time er, this
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: is a question.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yes that, well, that will come to you. So I
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: am not prepared to ask you draws or no draws?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Uh, well, that's a very personal question. Sure is yeah,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: no drawers. No, you are one, ding ding ding you
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: are one. You can't yeah, because because it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Is completely professional, it doesn't matter, no matter, et cetera,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: et cetera, And and also, and it's not because for
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: access to your nards or anything like that. It's it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: if you're doing lower back, you don't need a waist
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: band exactly because.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Then they got to kind of get the waist, but
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: then they pull that down a little bit against fall
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: over it exactly. So you know what I call this,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I call this. I call this a happy ending to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: what I'm just saying. We've got like this ending of
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the story.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: But I gotta, I gotta there's an adjunct. There's an
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: adjunct quick because I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: somebody who's draws all the time, draws all the time,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: my bride, I mean, not off top obviously, but she's
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: got these got the panties. It just said it's to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: just come on, you know, And she said, nope, just
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: comfort zone for me and she and she kind of
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: wanted that, she didn't want me to, but I said, well,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm free flowing.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Baby. Here we go. There you go, okay, cover it
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: all right here I am. And well, or we don't
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: or we don't or we don't cover.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: We don't cover it exactly? Why did I choose not
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to cover it? You may choose to cover it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I love you, see you next time. Good Bye back Sea.