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ITB: Do You Remember These Offensive Performances From Past Eagles Camps? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: is Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan, And yes, we have
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  Speaker 1: reached that time in the year.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: We are within a week of the Eagles reporting the
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  Speaker 1: training camp, and as promised Adam and I, we like
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  Speaker 1: to take this time deep into the summer, right before
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  Speaker 1: training camp begins, to go through some of our favorite
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  Speaker 1: training camp individuals. Memories of individuals. We call them. I
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: kind of came up with this name are Lee Heisman's,
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  Speaker 1: right in honor of those who have performed the best
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  Speaker 1: at training camp, which used to be at Lehigh. When
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  Speaker 1: I got on the beat, it was Lehigh, I know,
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  Speaker 1: and Adam knows, and most people know that they had
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  Speaker 1: training camp in other places like Westchester before that, but
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  Speaker 1: Lehigh is where it started for me. They of course
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  Speaker 1: have gone moved it to Novacare, which is now Jeff
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  Speaker 1: for some health complex. But what we're gonna do is
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  Speaker 1: talk about these Lee Heisman's, or before me, Adam, the
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  Speaker 1: guys on the beat, you know, like the rich Hoffmans
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  Speaker 1: and the Phil Sheridan's, those guys who have been on
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  Speaker 1: the beat for longer. They used to call it the
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  Speaker 1: Nay Brown award of a wide receiver who just lit
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  Speaker 1: it up in nineteen ninety nine as a rookie at
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  Speaker 1: a training I think it was at North Carolina. North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, and then went on to have a very
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  Speaker 1: very very modest career for the Eagles. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: spirit of this is guys who lighted up in training
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  Speaker 1: camp but then either don't make it or have very
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  Speaker 1: modest careers after.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nate Brown, his problem was he couldn't catch once
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  Speaker 2: the regulars has started.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he it. But it's why you gotta be careful
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  Speaker 2: because when teams game plan against you and then the
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  Speaker 2: lights come on, it's like those of us who play golf.
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: You know that you play golf. Yeah, I'm generally very
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  Speaker 2: good at the driving range, but around a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: I don't do very well because there's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, people are a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just he was actually a fourth round pick
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  Speaker 2: out of nineteen ninety nine. Now, what we like to
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  Speaker 2: do is we like to take the undirected free agents
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  Speaker 2: with the lower round picks, guys who never made it
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  Speaker 2: with another team who or late round picks or undirectored
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  Speaker 2: free agents. I have a good one for defense. We
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  Speaker 2: do the Defensive Show now. By the way, in the
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  Speaker 2: in the YouTube comments, please give us yours like folks,
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  Speaker 2: you might have twenty guys that come to your mind.
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  Speaker 2: If you went to Lehigh or for a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the season ticket holders get to go to Novercare now
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  Speaker 2: call the Jefferson Health Training Complex yep. Or west Schester.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned a couple of days ago Billy Hess without looking,
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  Speaker 2: he might have been number eighty and it was in
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  Speaker 2: the eighties. I thought he was number eighty out of
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  Speaker 2: west Chester. He was had unbelievable quicks, right, and that's
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  Speaker 2: that's what's got That's what got him. If I remember
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  Speaker 2: our good friend Merril Rae calling Billy Has, Billy Has.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking of another good friend recently, our good
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  Speaker 1: friend Billy Osbourne. I wonder if you was once a
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  Speaker 1: Lee Heisman, you know, because he made the team. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that out of he was a he was definitely
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  Speaker 1: an underrated free agent at a pitch.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he made the practice squad. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he made the fifty three.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I meant. He made the practice squad. But
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  Speaker 1: in order to do that, you got to stand out
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  Speaker 1: and as an Yeah from from the great High School
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  Speaker 1: of Wildwood Catholic, I believe, local hero down the Jersey Shore.
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  Speaker 1: And then he went to pitt and was a great
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  Speaker 1: athlete there. Uh he might have been a Lee Heisman
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  Speaker 1: at one point.
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  Speaker 2: Bill, Yeah, Billy is a South Jersey athletic legend multiple sports.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, he might have done basketball, baseball, and football.
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  Speaker 2: Was I know, it wasn't just football.
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  Speaker 1: He did, he did. He was a multi sport athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think those were all one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Billy. I loved Billy says in front of
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  Speaker 2: the show. So yeah, Honestly, a lot of the guys
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  Speaker 2: I have here are from like twenty ten on mm
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  Speaker 2: hmm to now, but you could go for that.
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  Speaker 1: I got a few from early in my be I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think you and I can both start with the
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  Speaker 1: first like obvious Leheisman, a guy who came to Lehigh
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  Speaker 1: and just tore it up so unexpectedly he wound up
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  Speaker 1: making the team and having again a very modest career.
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  Speaker 1: But it starts with Hank Basket right, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: this guy was just if I could like bring everybody,
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  Speaker 1: if I could write a Hollywood script about the first
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  Speaker 1: two weeks of an NFL player joining a new team.
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  Speaker 1: It would be the first two weeks of Hank Basket
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  Speaker 1: as a Philadelphia Eagle. If I can just paint a
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  Speaker 1: picture here, Adam, and you know this, like the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: were not doing well at wide receiver in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and six. They had moved on from t o the
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  Speaker 1: year before, right, they had drafted Reggie Brown and I
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  Speaker 1: think he was entering year two at this point two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six. Okay, they go to they signed Dante
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  Speaker 1: Stalworth as a free agent, but he's got this history,
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  Speaker 1: I believe injuries at the time, very good explosive player
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  Speaker 1: out of Tennessee. Who was with that, I believe the
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  Speaker 1: Saints before that, right, yes, But after that, man, you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about like from depth standpoint, you're talking about like
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  Speaker 1: they had Billy McMullen. They had Todd Pinkston, who was
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  Speaker 1: good player, but you know, you're starting to enter that downside.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it. At that part of his career, they
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  Speaker 1: just didn't have that much. And then they go and
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  Speaker 1: so you would everybody expected the Eagles were going to
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  Speaker 1: trade or acquire a wide receiver. They had Jason Van
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  Speaker 1: by the way, just starting to come into his own.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody expected they would acquire a wide receiver at him,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think people thought they were going to
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  Speaker 1: trade a wide receiver for a wide receiver. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what they did, trading Billy McMullen, who was an underperforming
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, third or fourth round pick out
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  Speaker 1: of Virginia to bring in this guy that nobody ever
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  Speaker 1: heard of.
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  Speaker 2: So Hank Basket it gets traded straight out for Billy McMullen.
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  Speaker 2: Billy McMullen was out of Virginia, big body, didn't run
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  Speaker 2: all that well. Hank is a pretty good athlete, good size,
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  Speaker 2: not the strongest guy in the world. But I don't remember,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going back. My first training camp was like
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  Speaker 2: an O one HM and this clue the arya Rowans
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  Speaker 2: obviously was. It was like mesmerizing what we saw in
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: that for training camp with McNab, but for any non developed, developed,
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  Speaker 2: multi year pro player, like you know, a draft pick
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  Speaker 2: or a pro bowler. He was a phenomenon. Circus catch
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  Speaker 2: after circs catch, no one could cover him. They try to,
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  Speaker 2: they try to hit him hard, they just he would
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  Speaker 2: he jump over him. So I remember running to Ron
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  Speaker 2: Jeorgskin I go jows what this is. Before I became
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  Speaker 2: a little bit smarter on the way value players in
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  Speaker 2: training camps. When I go my tour said you've been there,
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  Speaker 2: raw jaws will go a lot because he goes. I says,
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  Speaker 2: it really goes. It's real because you you can't do
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  Speaker 2: stuff like this. It's one thing if you did a
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  Speaker 2: couple of practice is then you just go, ah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe it. But practice after practice it every practice and
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  Speaker 2: he's attacking it. And he knew as a former und
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  Speaker 2: drafted freegent he was actually traded to the Eagles. He's
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  Speaker 2: got to prove himself. And it was I mean, aj
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  Speaker 2: Brown here was obviously dominant, too, is dominant. Davante's always good,
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  Speaker 2: Dante Smith is always good. But the circus type of catches,
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  Speaker 2: the contested catches winning just about every time, no matter
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  Speaker 2: what kind of coveragure was. It was kind of unfathomable
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  Speaker 2: that anyone could do something like this, and then you
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  Speaker 2: throw in the fact that he wasn't even drafted by
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings. He was signed as a UDFA. It was
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  Speaker 2: some of it was one of those I wish I
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  Speaker 2: was doing like TV where I could like or doing
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  Speaker 2: some sort of like play by play a practice, like, folks,
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  Speaker 2: this is what we just saw, you know, just to
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  Speaker 2: recap it. And now, if I remember right, this is
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  Speaker 2: where you officially beat, right, because you were a backup
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  Speaker 2: guy right before that.
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  Speaker 1: Two thousand and six was my first as the beat.
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  Speaker 1: Two thousand and five I joined as a GA. I
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  Speaker 1: think I joined as the season started when I started
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: working at the Wilmington News Journal, so they were Lee
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  Speaker 1: High had already taken place. So yeah, two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: six is my first foray into covering the Lehigh and
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  Speaker 1: going up there and tracking up there and doing all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. So that that was and you know, that
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  Speaker 1: was a turbulent time for the Eagles. Really, the post
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: to era for the Eagles was filled with so many
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: first round holdouts, so many injuries, so many players complaining
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  Speaker 1: about their contracts two years in to an extension, because
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: that's you know, they used to do that back then.
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  Speaker 1: There was just always news and you know, obviously front
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  Speaker 1: office things going on. Andy had power. They were starting
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  Speaker 1: to like you could tell the organization was starting to
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: feel sheepish about Andy having as much power because some
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: of the drafts weren't going as well. Tom Tom Heckert
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  Speaker 1: was his right hand man, but at that time, how
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  Speaker 1: he's rising up the chain little by little. So there
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: was just so much going on with the Eagles, And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned Pinkston, him him suffering the Achilles
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  Speaker 1: tear in two thousand and five and then not coming
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  Speaker 1: back in two thousand and sixty. K he was there
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  Speaker 1: in camp, but he just you could tell he was
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  Speaker 1: not what he once was. The Achilles tear really took
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  Speaker 1: a lot out of him, and that's what left the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles in such a dire straits at wide receiver. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, it was Reggie in the post t era,
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  Speaker 1: it was Reggie Brown. They had added Dante Stalwart, they
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  Speaker 1: had Greg Lewis. They were hoping Pinkston could come back.
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  Speaker 1: He really was struggling to come back from that. And
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  Speaker 1: then Bill Curtis, Kevin Curtis was seven, He wasn't there yet,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it
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  Speaker 1: it was time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he Kevin mc I mean, Kevin Curtis, you
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  Speaker 2: go a number of years, right, Reggie Brown was the
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  Speaker 2: fine player for a while. Ye kind of feel that
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  Speaker 2: one to Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Bill mcmon was a third round pick. As a matter
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  Speaker 2: of fact, he had on great training camp. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: he just if the life finally went on. Well, great's
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  Speaker 2: probably too strong a good training camp, but they still
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  Speaker 2: trade him up at the end of his rookie contractors
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  Speaker 2: last year, they traded him to the Vikings, and it
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  Speaker 2: was just one of these things where you really wondered.
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  Speaker 2: But then once they got to the regular season, very pedestrian,
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  Speaker 2: nothing special. It just goes to show you game planning, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're definitely gonna you're running your place in training camp, right,
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  Speaker 2: but you're not game planning. That's the difference, right, And
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  Speaker 2: once the game planning came about for billing for Hank Basket,
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  Speaker 2: he became virtually non factor. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So a couple of weeks ago, go buy in camp, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then Andy realizes his top three on his depth
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  Speaker 1: chart are basically Reggie Brown Dante Stalworth and at three
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: you're looking at Greg Lewis. A nice story as an
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  Speaker 1: undrafted free agent, but not necessarily what you want as
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  Speaker 1: your number three receiver. Your number four receiver with McMullen
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  Speaker 1: really not performing, is Jason Levont Who's a rookie. Who's
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  Speaker 1: a rookie who's a slot receiver. He's really a special teamer.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, he hasn't become Jason Levant yet. So
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  Speaker 1: that's when Andy decides I need something at receiver and
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  Speaker 1: he flips McMullen to his to the Vikings where his
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: buddy and former OC Brad Childers is the and in
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  Speaker 1: return he gets Hank Basket right, and from day one,
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  Speaker 1: Hank Basket is pulling balls.
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  Speaker 2: Out of the air, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So the thing about everybody obviously had to do their
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: research on Hancott, like who is this guy? He wents
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: a University of Mexico. Apparently he was a really good athlete.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was a track and field guy. In
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  Speaker 1: so we knew he had like athletic abilities that probably
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: were better than what Billy McMullen were offering. And oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: did those show up in the first six or seven
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  Speaker 1: practices I before Randy like we use the term lost,
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  Speaker 1: like this guy was mossing DB's in practice. And then
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  Speaker 1: I had had to be like three or four in
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  Speaker 1: at him where I was looking at talking to some
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  Speaker 1: of the other beats and were like, this guy really
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  Speaker 1: did the Eagles Did Andy just totally hoodwink his.
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  Speaker 2: Good Buddy, I mean it was incredible. And Hank Basket,
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this about me. He didn't get up. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't put up very many receptions. But the thing about
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: him in six his first year with Eagles, almost every
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: catch was big, only twenty two receptions, but for over
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  Speaker 2: twenty one yards per catch.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's what he was.
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  Speaker 2: He downfield contested catch guy, that's what he was.
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  Speaker 1: Completely.
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  Speaker 2: The second year only sixteen, the third year thirty three.
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  Speaker 2: For now his yards per catch went down. Buddy had
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  Speaker 2: more catches he thirty three for four to forty thirteen
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  Speaker 2: point three and then that that was pretty much it.
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  Speaker 2: He would he didn't do well for the Eagle. He
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  Speaker 2: moved on and then went to the Colts and did
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  Speaker 2: very little after after that. And he actually had a
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  Speaker 2: second time with the Eagles, but didn't go well and
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: that was it for him. But it was one of
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  Speaker 2: the best unexpected training camp performances I've seen in my career.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: I because when I go to camps, I don't go
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: to I don't go non Eagles, I don't go for
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  Speaker 2: more two days. I just don't. There's no reason to it.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: So because I've gone been in more practices to the
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: Eagles than anyone else. I'm trying to think of, just
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  Speaker 2: were the any quarterbacks you saw, like where you weren't expecting.
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  Speaker 1: Quarterbacks is a tough one because they either stand out
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  Speaker 1: and make the team or they're just not that they're not.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: You know, we've talked a little bit in the past,
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: maybe for new listeners about Trent Edwards, who came to
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: the Eagles. I forget what year I want to say,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: and eleven twelve maybe and was terrible like he had
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: been with I want to say, the Ravens. He was
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: a quarterback out of Stanford. He wasn't much of an athlete.
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  Speaker 1: He was right right, Yeah. Wasn't he a first round
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  Speaker 1: Was he a high pick? First or a second round picking?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I don't remember. I know it's the first or
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  Speaker 2: second round. I just don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was. He was a guy who
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  Speaker 1: could supposed to be an accurate quarterback and this guy
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  Speaker 1: could not hit the broad side of a barn. This
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  Speaker 1: is twenty twelve in training. In fact, I'm not training
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  Speaker 1: to get ot a.
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  Speaker 2: Third round pack of the Bills. Und third round pick
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  Speaker 2: of the Bills.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was sure to get cut in OTAs
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  Speaker 1: and I can actually remember a drill. It was a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback drill with him. Man, who are the other quarterbacks?
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe was Nick Foles two twelve, it was his rookie year, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe Vick Right. They're they're doing this footwork
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  Speaker 1: and net drill where you run around a couple of
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: cones and then you fire it into a net. You
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: run around a couple and you fired a net. Right,
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  Speaker 1: He would fire it everywhere but the net. But it
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  Speaker 1: was just I think Matt Barkley might have also been.
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  Speaker 2: In too, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm getting getting a few guys confused.
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  Speaker 1: But he couldn't hit anything, and I couldn't believe it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm there. There was some talk that he
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: had made Andy never confirmed it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was I remember this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he had something done on his
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: shoulder that either either or something done or something that
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: kept him out. But he couldn't hit the broad side
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  Speaker 1: of the barn at him, and it was almost getting
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  Speaker 1: It was almost a daily thing, and I felt bad
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  Speaker 1: for the guy. But then came training camp. You're right,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: kaf goes on team because he wound up pushing Kafka
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  Speaker 1: out of that job. It wound up being Foles in
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Kafka who I mean Foles and Trent Edwards who won
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: the job out of training camp because all of a sudden,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: the preseason games came and it was boom banged back.
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  Speaker 1: He saw her to see the accuracy come back the rhythm.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: What happened was Kafka broke his hand, so he was
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  Speaker 1: sort of taken out of a lot of the competition.
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  Speaker 1: And while that happened happened, Edwards turned it on and
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  Speaker 1: he became this like holy gap and then he wound
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  Speaker 1: up making it. But he really wasn't It wasn't fun.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think he was with the team the
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  Speaker 1: whole year.
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  Speaker 2: That year, he was, but he would get he would
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  Speaker 2: They would cut him after around the before the draft
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen the next year. But yeah, trying to actually
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I ran into the comment he's in the sports space
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  Speaker 2: maybe like wearables or something. It's like three or four
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  Speaker 2: years ago maybe, But yeah, although recently I would tell
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  Speaker 2: you as a six round pick, Tanner McKee had first
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  Speaker 2: training camp was not very good. What happened is he
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  Speaker 2: did great in the preseason. It looked great, and then
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  Speaker 2: the next all of a sudden to the next off
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  Speaker 2: season he found this mobility. I'm like, where the hell
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: did this come from? And then the arm strength was
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: just like wow. And he also had a very good
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: training camp where you know, here's your next backup, and
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: that's been the case. But yeah, I know GJ. Kinney
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: might remember him. He's a pretty good athlete. Didn't have
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: much of an arm but he's a lot of these
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks every once in a while look great in a
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: practice and you go, oh wow, it's interesting that they can't.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: They just can't sustain it. But let's move on to
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: another position.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: How about we go to the running back? Okay, yeah,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: running back? Who Actually, I'm going to drop this now
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: on Friday on the inside the Birth Platform, you will
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: see this running back as the final guest of our
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Lee High Legend series with Andrew de Checo. His name
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: is Henry Josie and this guy is the epitome of
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: a Lee Heisman. Now, technically he was a Novacare stand
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: out because they were this was in the Chip Kelly
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: era and they were at the Novercare complex at the time.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I probably have to come up with a cool like
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Novacare novelty. I don't know, but we're gonna stick with
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Lee Heisman. Adam. This guy was incredible as a running back.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: He just in the preseason games was unbelievable. Now, the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: reason why he's gonna be on Andrew is because the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: biggest thing about Henry Josie that I can remember is
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that when the Eagles cut him, sports talk radio went
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a buzz. I mean, people were mad at Chip. They
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: thought that Chip had just cut the next Adrian Peterson.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: They couldn't believe that Henry Josie didn't make the fifty three.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And it turned out that the Eagles were right, the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: NFL was right. He didn't really have a very promising career,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: and he talked he has a great story about it
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and about how those fans still reach out to him
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that he tells to Andrew to check on. That'll be auful.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: That's that's like they would remember, Well, that's incredible. Yeah.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I So here's my all right, So he's I don't
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: know what do we know what year it was of the.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Check I think it was the first year. I think
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it was twenty thirteen. I can check really out.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so you know we're we're covering the story
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: back then, and he's he's killing it. Super explosive, interesting
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: running style, high knees. Yeah, kind of like Roger Craig
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit for those of you are old enough.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen by the way.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, he was unbelievable. Fol looked great. But I got
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: tipped off that he was not going to make it,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and I double check because I thought this is ridiculous.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Like I didn't, I didn't. I know he had an
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: injury history with his knees, but I didn't know it
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: was the severe. So I got the word. I broke
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the news. I put on Twitter, and I'm like, people
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: are calling me names, like really like out of blocks
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: of people, like they're they're they're blaming me, like you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it's your fault, You're you're putting out false information. I'm like,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling I'm trying to educate you, right, because
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I was curious, like the fans or why the how
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you cut this guy? Uh? The person in the front
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: office told me that they were so worried about his
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: knees that they just got ahead of it. They knew
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: he had no chance.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Right, he had a really bad knee injury. I believe
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: he talked to Andrew about it in at jury where
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he went.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I believe I even know where he went.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, well I think it involved it might
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: have been an ACL tear. And this is you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: this is like years ago, over a decade ago, so
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it wasn't as easy to come back from those kind
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of things.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah he he he tells me like thirty five years old. Yeah,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: it's uh, he just he bounced around a little bit.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Then when he bounced around that season and then went
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to the CFL for two years. Then I was in
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: one of the satellite leagues. That was it. Yeah, he looked.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: They're right when it comes to medical you're not always
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: going to be right. Like with every blue moon, there's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: a there's an a Kobe Dean which defies medical science,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: like you could come back from back to back of
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the worst injuries. Let's frank full rupture and turn pro
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: teller tendon like this doesn't know human being could come
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: back from this right? Well one did you know, Henry Josie.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: They just felt like no, you know, the person I
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: spoke to said, no, you don't understand, like we know
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: medically he's never going to hold up, which is going
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to get ahead of it and help him out here. Yeah,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I just because when you can only go
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: back what they're telling you, and they're telling you the truth,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: why they cut them.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean he went to two other teams.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: He went to two other teams that year, and none
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: of them he was just on practice school.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I called, so most of me said hey, yeah, I said, hey,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: this is what I was told. I'm sure you know
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: his background and he never made it. But it was
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: one of those few that I didn't agree with it,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: but I understood and I accepted it because it wasn't
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: like that I was the guy was a friend of mine, right,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I just felt like he was such a great training
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: camp story. There's another guy that I would get to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: know and that deserves more time because that one was
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: more that was more involved.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it was. Listen, it's really hard sometimes we
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: get on fans for like falling in love with a guy,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: whether it like like a Paul Turner, who you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that's another wide receiver we could talk about. Yeah, it's
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: clear as day that this person is either feasting off
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of going up against the third string, or they're short,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: or they're not fat like you could tell it's not
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: going to translate. But this one was hard. I got
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to admit, he was just so dynamic in the preseason. Now,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: if you go back and look retrospect, it was probably
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: because he was through enormous holes, but he was so
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: dynamic that it was hard just to understand what he
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: didn't do right to make the team. Turner, No, no, no,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I'm saying I was giving Paul Turners an example of
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: people who kind of over overdo it because they think
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: some guy had a great training camp. But with Henry Josie,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I can understand why people got really into that. There's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: no reason or something good there.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, performance wise there was no reason to but medically
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that he was a medical reject is what they call him.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: They just could they they couldn't keep him. They were
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: worried about the condition of his knees. So they were right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Paul Turner, let's get to him. Then the other guy. Yeah,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So Paul Turner was a guy just literally caught everything.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: But I knew because what I, what you and I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: try to do is we try to get information on players.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Every player that the Eagles bring in, whether they're drafted
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: or not, just get up a working idea of what
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: they are and who they are. And we were told
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the guy can't run, but he catches everything. He's going
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to have a problem getting open on his own. He's
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: not going to make it. And I remember being told that, like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: let's say it's like the beginning of training camp. I'm like, okay,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: because he had a great OTAs and this dude is
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: like pile up catches, pile up catches, short area, stop
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and start, good hands, thinner build, but he's catching everything.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, wow, okay, we'll see what happens. He's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: just not stopping. I don't know what his preseason numbers were,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: but I just remember talking to someone, you know, closest situation, said, no,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: he's not he's no chance, can't get open. But wait
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a minute, he's getting open to practices, dude, that's not
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that's that's practice. Yeah, this is the NFL man. When
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: when the light's going, he's not gonna be able to
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: get open. And he couldn't. That's exactly what happened. He kept,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: he kept, he was on it. He was brought back
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a number of times. But here they look, these people,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: they breathe football, they know it They're not always going
• 23:44
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• 23:47
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  Speaker 2: But the next guy, wait, I just.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Want to go back, really thick because I found something,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: all right, I found the twenty fourteen NFL preseason rushing stats. Okay,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Henry Josie had He was the second leading rusher in
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the preseason, behind a guy named Lorenzo talia Farrell. Okay,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Lorenzo talia Farrell at two hundred and fifty three yards.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Josie had two twenty five. But Josie had thirty four
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: carries and taller Ferriol had sixty six carries. Joes averaged
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: six point sixty two yards per carry on thirty four carries,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: had six points.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Geez, six point six. Like I said, from a former standpoint,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: he had no reason to cut him. But they ane
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: more else about us. By the way, Paul Turner did
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: play in the NFL for four games with the Eagles.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny, remember why, I mean they had DG.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: They started the year with DGB. He was not playing well.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: They were having a real problem with the past. This
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: is what wentz his rookie year right two.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Ye. Yeah, he's a slat.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: They finally added him because they had a few banged
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: up players in the position, and he did all right.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: By the way, it's funny about his numbers. If you
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: look at his row numbers, you go, wait a minute,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you said he can't run. It was only nine catches, folks,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: but for one twenty six fourteen yards per catch. But
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: he trust me, he's a nine point five to ten
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: yards per catch guy in the NFL. He ever played
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: in it full time. But it was just yeah, it
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was a nice story. But again, you know your job
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: as a reporter to tell the truth of that biased
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, this is this is what
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I was told, and it was true. They were right,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: but the next one they were wrong in that the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: guy would have a very very successful CFL career. In fact,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: he would win a great Cup. That's our friend, Rashid
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Bailey with the new Rashid, we need to have him on.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: He's a wonderful guy. So what Rashid told me was
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: that he's either Chip Keller. Ed Manowitz told him, well,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: we'll get to what he did in trading give but
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: he had a great preseason training kit, led the Eagles
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: in receiving yards in preseason and I don't have either
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen. I don't know what year
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it was. So anyway, he thought we thought, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: we all thought he was gonna make it, and you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: he got the call and you know, I put the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: information out and what I was Rashid told me that
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: they told him don't go anywhere, stay close. You know.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: He went to del Valleys from Philly. Yep, he said,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: don't go anywhere. We're gonna wait. You know, after after
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: everything clears out from the fifty three and waiver, clams
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: will bring it back to the practice squad. I don't
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: think they ever. I'd have to check how we would
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: bring him back. You how he got control back. But
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I don't remember them get put him on the practice squad.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: They may have done it. I don't know, but I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: just know this. He earned a roster spot and uh,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to its credit, he learned that it was a business.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: But his agent got him a good job. It might
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: have been with Argos Toronto Argonauts. I don't remember, but yeah, maybe,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: but either I don't know. He won at least one
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Great Cup, might have won to more than one. But
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: he did really well there, like really well. He became
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: a player.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Man awesome, like you mentioned, awesome guy.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: He's got a he has a podcast. I know he
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: just had who the hell did Oh he had a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: bg on. I know that, but he might he may
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: have had some you know, not that PG sound a
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: big name, but he might have had a big time
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: offensive guy on. I saw it. But so what happened
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: was he just because he's well built for a guy
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: that wasn't a speed demon. You know, he wasn't a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: fast guy. But he understood. He put it like a
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: zillion catches at Delval like he just the numbers were insane,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: but he understood how to get open, how to be physical,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to get open and run after the catch. He just
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: he was great in training camp. There was no reason
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: for them to cut him, but they had a numbers
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: problem and they weren't truthful with him, right he That
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: one bothered me because he earned it. And it's just
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I that one. Look. They actually turned out to be
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: a mistake because he made it when again he made
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: in the CFL. You could debate how when we get
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to the fussive show, there's a CFL refugee who we
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: talk about who it was a great story until he
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: got hurt. But yeah, Rashid should have made it. He he
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: should have made it with Egles. Oh well, good story though,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: good friends.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: He want another good story about twenty seventeen preseason. There
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: were about three Eagle that finished in the top twelve.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Here in receptions, you would never guess who those three
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Eagles are at twenty seventeen.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rashid was, because Rashid was much earlier than that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: No, he was that he was with Cleveland and then
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: came to Philadelphia.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: H I No, he can't know. But Rashid was first
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: with the Eagles during the Chip era. Yeah, then they
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: cut him. Then he came back again.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Right right, he came back.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Then how he cut him? They he just didn't make it. Wait,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: but what did he? Yeah, I don't know. Twenty seventeen
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: pre season, I don't know.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Mac Hollins with thirteen catches that year for a hundred.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: He hasn't retired. It's unbelievable.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: This guy rights with Anti Lee. This guy next guy
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: is an Anti Lee Heisman he had he would be
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: if whatever, if we did like the worst player in
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the training camp, Daniel.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Pumphrey Donelle Well, he was terrible.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Trading patches for seventy two yards there was only five
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and a half for carry. He was a dump off.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: King uh In that that year and then we got
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Bryce Tregg's twelve cats.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah you could run, you could run. Yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Now now currently an agent, I believe it was, yeah right, yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: So those are the three Hollins. That's how funny is that?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Just Mackett run that. Look he won a super Bowl
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: with Eagles. He just made the Super Bowl with New England.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: So to end this, no, no, that's it, Josie basket,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: anyone else you want to add?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll add. In twenty thirteen, Greg Sallas was, Yes,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: he had. In fact, he had like seven catchers for
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: one hundred and ten yards in the preseason. He was
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: he had been claimed off waivers from the Patriots the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: year before. Uh, and they released Marty Gilliard. I remember this.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: They released Marty Gilliard to make room for Greg Salas
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and all of us. I guess the beat guys were
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: synegor are, like, what are we doing? Just rearranging the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: furniture of that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Titanic yere pretty much.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Sallas wound up fitting in pretty well. It made a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: ton of contested catches. He's not not a huge guy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: He's like six foot one.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: He's a slot receiver.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, slot receiver. But for whatever reason. He
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: was going over the top making a ton of catches.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But the Eagles kept their draft pick said they kept
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: BJ Cunningham over him, which did not work out. They
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: did signs with a practice squad, but then the Jets
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: claimed him off the practice squad and then actually played
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: him that year. Greg Sallas, but he is a guy
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: who was making highlight reel catches.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Nothing right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Michael Gasperson the name from the past that my recollection
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of Michael Gasperson is this. He was a tall, big
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: bodied wide receiver. He could have been a tight end.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: He had two years on the practice or trying to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: make the team, would not make it, went and played
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: in NFL Europe. Came back year three. He finally makes
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it to the Eagles as a He was on the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: practice squad, but they activated him for one game. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: wanted to get him a catch, one career catch so
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: badly that Andy Reid drew up a play to get
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: him a ball in the flat against his own where
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: there was just no possible way he couldn't catch it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: They threw the mcnaw throws the first pass of the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: game to him in the flat left side. He drops
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: it and he never got targeted again. Ruin is one
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: shot at getting an.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: What a last name? Michael gas person.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Michael gas Person, that's remember. Uh So those are some
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  Speaker 1: a look at some of our favorite Cornelius Ingram who
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  Speaker 1: was on with Andrew, had a really nice camp before.
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  Speaker 1: He was a fourth round pick out of Florida, had
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of explosive traits, but suffered nacy l injury
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  Speaker 1: and kept getting hurt and that was unfortunate. Can't think
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  Speaker 1: of too many other tight ends. You and I watched
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  Speaker 1: the kid from Buffalo right the quarterback turned tight end.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he was great. That's a great one. Is Tyree
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  Speaker 2: Jackson Jackson poor? They nailed that evaluation. He actually made
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  Speaker 2: the successful conversion, but he got hurt. Had he not
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  Speaker 2: gotten hurt, he could have had a long career here. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, he's trying to be like Logan. Thomas Logan
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Ye had a long cer and made a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money. Yeah, it's too bad.
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  Speaker 1: And the finished off that one last running back two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eight was Lorenzo Booker, who was so dyna.
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  Speaker 1: I remember watch taking he took a pitch right from
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  Speaker 1: I think Garcia. No, I forget who the backup was
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  Speaker 1: in that way I can't remember, took a pitch, juked
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  Speaker 1: two guys out of their cleats in the backfield. He
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  Speaker 1: should have been stopped for minus five, put the like
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  Speaker 1: the Madden spin move on, and then ripped it up
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  Speaker 1: the field for like a fifty yard touchdown. And it
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this guy's incredible. But again
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  Speaker 1: the lessons learned. He played ten games that year. He
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  Speaker 1: rushed for fifty three yards on twenty carries two point
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  Speaker 1: seven yards per carry for the Eagles. It just he
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  Speaker 1: never even came close to being a good viable backup
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  Speaker 1: for Brian Westbrook.
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  Speaker 2: A third round picking seven out of Farida State. Never,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he just bounced around. He just really Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It got caught after one year, right for the Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a lesson learned, all right. So those are
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  Speaker 1: Lee Heisman on offense. A little stroll down memory lane.
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  Speaker 1: In the next episode, we'll go through some guys on defense.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna do it. For this episode of Inside the Birds,
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