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ITB: Putting Lurie Comments, ESPN Eagles/Jalen Hurts Story Into Perspective · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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Speaker 2: What's going on everybody? Jeff Mosher here, Adam Kaplan, and
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Speaker 2: we got a lot.
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Speaker 1: To talk about in this podcast because the Eagles were
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Speaker 1: the brass were out in Arizona this week at owners meeting.
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Speaker 1: So you got Jeffrey Leurie speaking, that's always fun, Howie
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Speaker 1: Roseman speaking, and of course Nick Sirianni speaking, and then
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Speaker 1: you get what I always loved about Owners meetings, Adam,
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Speaker 1: is it's an opportunity to go ask other coaches who
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Speaker 1: either have ties to the Eagles or had coach players
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Speaker 1: the Eagles just got right to get their opinion on
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Speaker 1: what that player could bring to the Eagles. So it's
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a smorgas board of of good NFL storts.
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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what it's the cool thing about
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Speaker 3: it is, if you've been there long enough, you know
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Speaker 3: kind of the ins and outs to how to get information.
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Speaker 3: So yep, sometimes you go to areas you're not supposed
1:02
Speaker 3: to be, like you might sit with a coach, you
1:04
Speaker 3: might go to the pool. You know, if you kind
1:06
Speaker 3: of know how to do it, you kind of weasele
1:09
Speaker 3: your way over there and see if you know anyone.
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Speaker 3: Because What you do is you might text someone, hey, hey,
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen you in a walk. We catch up? Sure,
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Speaker 3: meet me at meet me at the pool. You know,
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Speaker 3: they'll tell me where to go, but where it's a
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Speaker 3: little bit they're a little bit. In fact, they're very
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Speaker 3: less guarded. They've got their family around. They just want
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Speaker 3: to hang out and be relaxed. Eventually you get to
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Speaker 3: what you want to ask them. Yeah, you can find
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Speaker 3: out about They're generally a lot easier to talk to
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Speaker 3: about players who are not on their team.
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Speaker 2: Yes, very much more honest, right right now.
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Speaker 3: It's someone you know, even though for years they're fine
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Speaker 3: with it. But if it's someone you know casually, it's
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Speaker 3: more like you said, hey, what do you want to
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Speaker 3: know about? What? Who you What do you want to
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Speaker 3: know about? Which players around the league you want to
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Speaker 3: know about? Or what coach you know? If there's a
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Speaker 3: new coach, what are your opinion with your opinion on them?
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Speaker 3: Or if they can for your building, if they came
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Speaker 3: for that building. You know, that's stuff important because you
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Speaker 3: want to know. In this particular cases, our show is
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Speaker 3: generally about the Eagles. Okay, well what do they know
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Speaker 3: about Sean Mannion? Like you. If you're there, you might
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Speaker 3: run into well, there you would you run into a
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Speaker 3: team president, head coach, general manager, and not all of them.
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Speaker 3: Some teams bring their their contract negotiator correct family. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you wind up meeting like a brother, a wife,
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Speaker 1: you know, a grown up son or daughter of a
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Speaker 1: of a coach or an executive and get a good
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Speaker 1: conversation going and you.
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Speaker 2: Might just find out a little bit more about the family.
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Speaker 1: So it's it's yeah, it's it's interesting because I feel
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Speaker 1: like each of the three off season events because I
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Speaker 1: have a great I have a great I guess maybe
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Speaker 1: it would be great for reporters type story about one
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Speaker 1: of the owners meetings I went to. But like at
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Speaker 1: that we talk about the combine for the nightlife, the
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Speaker 1: chance to get out there and you know, maybe get
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Speaker 1: to know these on different level in restaurants and bars.
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Speaker 1: And then there's the senior bawl, which is not what
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Speaker 1: it used to be. But everybody's in the watching the game,
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Speaker 1: so you can sit next to someone while they're watching
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Speaker 1: practice and have a conversation. Sure, and I think the
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Speaker 1: owner's meetings is even more interesting for what you just said.
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Speaker 1: The very laid back loose environment where you can actually
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Speaker 1: like arrange a meet up with someone I happen to be.
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Speaker 1: This is my story, I happen to and this is
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Speaker 1: how it works at the at the owner's meetings, and
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Speaker 1: it's especially when it's at the Biltmore, which is in Arizona,
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Speaker 1: which is the one that was this week, right, I
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Speaker 1: was just done with a press like the morning breakfast.
3:34
Speaker 1: The press conferences are all the morning. They're called the
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Speaker 1: Breakfast with the Coaches. They do AFC one day and
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Speaker 1: I see the next. And I was writing a story,
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Speaker 1: and I was out on the Biltmore patio enjoying like
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Speaker 1: the beautiful weather of Arizona, and I'm sitting at a
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Speaker 1: booth and like the booth behind me is I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna go with names. I'll just say a very prominent
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Speaker 1: agent and at the time a very prominent NFL head coach.
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Speaker 1: And right then and there, within earshot, they were negotiating
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Speaker 1: a contract for a player. Now it's April, right, so
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Speaker 1: we're not talking about a five year one.
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Speaker 2: It was still a one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But the point is you don't really get privy in
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Speaker 1: our jobs. Just sit there while the contract negotiation is
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Speaker 1: going on.
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Speaker 2: So I thought that that was really interesting. I pretended
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Speaker 2: to not be hearing.
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Speaker 3: I turned my Honestly, there are certain agents, the great
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Speaker 3: Frank Bauer, who's got Devanti Adams, and they had Mark
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Speaker 3: Brunel and known frankent number of years. You know, Frank
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Speaker 3: the silver Fox. He would go Ruf Sindrich, a legendary agent.
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Speaker 2: Oh he's a legend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a legend. Hit him and his wife are wonderful.
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Speaker 3: They just had a They would go to every NFL
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Speaker 3: owners meetings going back to like the late eighties, early
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Speaker 3: nineties because they loved it. It was a vacation from them.
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Speaker 3: But as you said, and Joe Rosenhals would go. Drew
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Speaker 3: usually has a very long list. Number one year chasing
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Speaker 3: him down for Cleo Lemon. That's how long ago it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I need to get I was working on. It was
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Speaker 3: some team I wanted to get the scoop. I just
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Speaker 3: remember asking him, hey, is this true? It might have
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Speaker 3: been Miami, I don't remember. I know he played for Jacksonville,
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Speaker 3: but whatever he was going, I said, hey, this is
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Speaker 3: what I'm hearing. You know, I wanted to ask him.
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Speaker 3: He was there, must well ask him. Drew Cholz because
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Speaker 3: he's got such a lung. Like you said, once you
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Speaker 3: get to the owner's meetings, which is roughly three to
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Speaker 3: four weeks in to free agency, this is when it's
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Speaker 3: bargain basement. You're just lucky to get a one year
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Speaker 3: deal with a little bit of guaranteed money. You know
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Speaker 3: at this point if you're there. So, yeah, it's important.
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Speaker 3: And again it's generally it's it's very casual. All the
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Speaker 3: teams are represented, all the gams are going to be there. No,
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Speaker 3: it's just a it's a it's a good time and
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Speaker 3: the Biltmore is phenomenal, the scenery and I'm big I'm
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Speaker 3: not a big cigar smoker, but that's one or two
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Speaker 3: times a year I dank. I'll drink a little bit
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Speaker 3: and smoke cigars is a big thing. I love doing
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Speaker 3: it there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am a cigar smoker and I really
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Speaker 2: enjoy that area for that.
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Speaker 3: I do that. I didn't know that about you.
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Speaker 1: I'm not an every day but I'll have Like God,
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Speaker 1: I try to, you know, when I can get away
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Speaker 1: with it the family around three or four a month
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Speaker 1: if I can, that's a good month for me.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it's it is a great place. You're right,
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Speaker 2: the air is so nice.
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Speaker 1: I was in jeans, and you know, I was kind
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Speaker 1: of dressed for sixty degree weather.
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Speaker 2: I think I had a.
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Speaker 1: Hoodie on, and then I looked down and my I
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Speaker 1: remember saying the phone said, it's like eighty eight degrees.
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel that way in Arizona. It feels
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Speaker 1: like a nice, comfortable day where you can wear try heat. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: dry heat. Absolutely absolutely.
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Speaker 3: funem Hm, this is his and it just happens to
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Speaker 3: That's what the Eagles may need if they trade aj Brown.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the Jeffrey Lurie press conference.
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Speaker 1: It was long, it was thirty minutes. He covered a
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Speaker 1: lot of topics. If you're if you haven't seen it
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Speaker 1: and you just want a good laugh. In the first
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Speaker 1: five minutes, somebody asked him about Jalen's contract extension and
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Speaker 1: what kind of year he thought Jalen had, and Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: thought he was talking about Jollen Carter. The question was
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Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts. So his response to Jalen Carter was
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Speaker 1: kind of like it was He's good, you know it.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of like whatever, you know. And then
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Speaker 1: he realized the question was about Hurts, and he had
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Speaker 1: a kind of I go back and be like whoa, whoa, whoa,
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Speaker 1: And then he really fun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he showed his love for Jeon Hurst. But
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Speaker 2: he talked about a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: And I think, Adam, you wanted to bring this up,
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Speaker 1: and I thought it was really good idea of you.
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Speaker 2: Because we don't always talk about this enough.
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Speaker 1: But do you whether or not jefferre lellur is talking
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Speaker 1: through his teeth or not, whatever you believe, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: The man you cannot deny the man as his finger
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Speaker 1: on the pulse of the Eagles. I do remember a
10:28
Speaker 1: time a long time we n chip Kelly era where
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Speaker 1: there were some questions he was not always around the
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Speaker 1: team as much as he had been before, But that
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Speaker 1: was very brief, and he is. He made a comment
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Speaker 1: about how he wakes up sometimes at four in the
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Speaker 1: morning wondering about like their long snapper depth, and then
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Speaker 1: like saying, should I text Howie about this?
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Speaker 2: And all I could think of is like, man, poor Howie, right.
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Speaker 3: But.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right, knowing how he's probably awakened for
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Speaker 1: it in the morning thinking about the exact same thing.
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Speaker 1: But a lot of owners at him, and even some
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Speaker 1: good ones. Some good ones just like hire people and
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Speaker 1: let him run. Not as many owners are as hands on.
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Speaker 1: They let their people do their job. But I have
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Speaker 1: just such a keen understanding of what's going on with
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Speaker 1: their team as Jeffrey does.
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Speaker 3: So I remember years ago, I know we talked about
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Speaker 3: this because we got some feedback. We there were a
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Speaker 3: couple of times we said that Jeffery's too involved and
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Speaker 3: they you know, some people reach out to us too,
11:27
Speaker 3: not to go too deep and just say we were
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Speaker 3: wrong that we're overdoing it. We weren't. I understand, like
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Speaker 3: you have to protect the guy who wents a football team.
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Speaker 3: I get that Jeffrey's an awesome guy, big fan, but
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Speaker 3: I've we've also wore our jobs to tell the truth. Right,
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Speaker 3: There are some times with the I know he didn't
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Speaker 3: make the arthega Whiteside pick to be clear, yes, But
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Speaker 3: the problem was people there at the time thought because
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Speaker 3: it was a player he really we were first people
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Speaker 3: to talk about this in other egals to people. Reporters
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Speaker 3: and bloggers run about and talked about it and whatever.
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Speaker 3: And when he gives it, when he makes it known
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Speaker 3: that a player who he likes, sometimes there's oh boy,
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Speaker 3: you know the boss likes him. Should we drink? You know?
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Speaker 3: Sometimes the guy's a little bit more well thought of
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Speaker 3: than he maybe should be. It was our only point
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Speaker 3: whenever the hell was he drafted twenty nineteen? Does that
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Speaker 3: sound right?
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Speaker 1: I think of Whiteside was twenty twenty nineteen. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think you're right.
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Speaker 3: Okay, second round out of Stanford. Yeah, yeah, I know that.
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Speaker 3: I know the analytics were good on him, but you
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Speaker 3: and I ran into a personal person, you know, where
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Speaker 3: I'm going here. This is one of the best knights
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Speaker 3: of Jeff and I working together. We were at the
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about this now because it's fun.
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Speaker 3: This is literally I think Jeff almost passed out. It
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Speaker 3: lasts so hard. So this personnel executive said that he
12:47
Speaker 3: battled with his GM because he gave him either seventh
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Speaker 3: round grade or undirected free agent. This personal guy, and
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to go quite into the scouting report,
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Speaker 3: but he was very critical that guy was. He didn't
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Speaker 3: run anywhere close to the tape showed. He didn't run fast.
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Speaker 3: He was slow. You could hear him run. How slow
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Speaker 3: he was. I mean you hear that beat. You could
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Speaker 3: hear him run, okay, how slow he was. And you
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Speaker 3: know this is why data only says one thing. The
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Speaker 3: tape tells you another. The tape tells you everything. Kay
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Speaker 3: tells you what it looks like, what his play speed
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Speaker 3: is like, the time speed is. You should always take
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Speaker 3: all the data in, you absolutely should, but you have
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Speaker 3: to make a decision based on tape study. That's the
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Speaker 3: number one criteria. No one, even data people will tell you.
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Speaker 3: We get that tape is number one, but we have
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Speaker 3: other things.
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Speaker 1: Add to that, being there being there to watch it
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Speaker 1: in person, because so yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: But we get back to Jeffrey. One of the things
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Speaker 3: I really admire about him. He is unbelieva passionate, passionate
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Speaker 3: about football. He talked about that he loves the game.
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Speaker 3: Any reporter has ever talked to him privately, It's not
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Speaker 3: a secret how much he loves football. He's obsessed with it.
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Speaker 3: You love that, you love that? There's really Now how
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Speaker 3: did you rec like? What was your thinking when he
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Speaker 3: said he's more involved than ever, which is I'm kind
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Speaker 3: of surprised by that. I don't I'm not sure what
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Speaker 3: that means other than he talked about texting howie whatever
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Speaker 3: you know for something that's trivial. But what was your
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Speaker 3: reaction or fought when he said that?
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if he was.
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Speaker 1: Being very literal, like he is more involved more now
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Speaker 1: than last year and the year before, or if it's
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Speaker 1: just because I feel like from what we know and
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Speaker 1: what we hear, he's very involved as far as knowing
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Speaker 1: everything that's going on, understanding football, trying to learn as
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Speaker 1: much as he possibly can.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know if he's.
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Speaker 1: More involved now than he was at this time last year.
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was just his way of saying
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Speaker 1: what you just said. He's obsessed with football, he's always involved,
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Speaker 1: talks to his players. He was asked about that copy,
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Speaker 1: so he evaded the question about the time he went
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Speaker 1: to talk on the field to Aj Brown after AJ
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Speaker 1: was going crazy on social media with all these you know,
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Speaker 1: sub comments and everything like that, and he made a remark,
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Speaker 1: I'm constantly talking to my player. I go out for
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Speaker 1: dinner with my player, you know, and so so yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I made of it, is that
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Speaker 1: he's not a guy. There are some owners who run
15:14
Speaker 1: their businesses and also own a sports team, and they're
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Speaker 1: not there every single day. They know every single thing.
15:22
Speaker 1: That's why they hire certain people to make sure it's
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Speaker 1: run that way.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: There are some owners who hire a president along with
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Speaker 1: the gm and the president is making football decisions, whereas
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Speaker 1: the president of the Eagles, Domson Lensky, great guy, awesome guy,
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Speaker 1: is more of a business president and he's involved in stuff.
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Speaker 2: He knows what's going on.
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take power away from what I'm
15:44
Speaker 1: saying is it's a little different than maybe the Bears.
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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears president who oversees a lot of football matters
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Speaker 1: that might be going on.
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Speaker 2: You understand where I'm getting with that.
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Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes, so, But he was asked about Julian's presidence.
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Speaker 3: Julian for people who really want to know, he's very
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Speaker 3: involved in spending the cash spend in football non football operations.
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Speaker 3: That's very well known around the league. It's it's agents
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Speaker 3: know this. It's pretty interesting by the way. Agents really
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Speaker 3: know this stuff. Yeah, they know that Eagles building, you know,
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Speaker 3: they know how he and one of the reasons why
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Speaker 3: the Egles have this great reputation is because Jeffrey treats
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Speaker 3: his people he works who work for him, excuse me,
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Speaker 3: really well, pays well, treats family as well, very responsive,
16:32
Speaker 3: and which leads to the next thing was the stadium situation.
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Speaker 3: Their lease is up in thirty two. He didn't deny
16:39
Speaker 3: that they're looking at potential other options around the league,
16:42
Speaker 3: around the world. You know, that's obviously a long ways off,
16:46
Speaker 3: but there's really no more fan friendly NFL owner than
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Speaker 3: he is. So I don't rule anything out. I think,
16:55
Speaker 3: you know, it's obviously a long ways away. I just
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Speaker 3: would wonder where they had put it to be still
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Speaker 3: in the stadium complex. If they do it again, we'll see,
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Speaker 3: we don't. They may keep the Lincoln and just refurbish it.
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Speaker 1: Who knows, but which he kind of said, right, he
17:08
Speaker 1: said he was looking at what they've done to current
17:11
Speaker 1: venues in Barcelona. I think he mentioned even Cleveland. He
17:14
Speaker 1: said Nashville a couple of time. I guess National has
17:16
Speaker 1: been renovated a lot.
17:17
Speaker 3: I was, Oh, yeah, it's a new one. Actually, this
17:19
Speaker 3: is a new one. Okay, oh yeah, the new statement's beautiful.
17:22
Speaker 3: So we'll say. But he's all about being fan friendly.
17:26
Speaker 3: I hope when he retires at Julian will be as
17:28
Speaker 3: fan friendly. Like I don't know the guys, so I
17:30
Speaker 3: don't it's hard to know. Like I just know that
17:34
Speaker 3: he's he looks over the cash with Don so he's
17:39
Speaker 3: very involved in it. So but being fan friendly, there's
17:42
Speaker 3: no way to know that because he's that's not you know,
17:44
Speaker 3: he's not running the team now, so you know he's
17:47
Speaker 3: not yet. Jeffrey's not retired yet. So it's that that's
17:49
Speaker 3: another subject dowt for maybe over the next couple of years.
17:52
Speaker 1: No, but that does tie into your question that you
17:54
Speaker 1: asked me. Was I surprised on how involved he is.
17:58
Speaker 1: And while I'm not yet surprised, I mean I think
18:00
Speaker 1: you and I have both wondered and both talked to
18:02
Speaker 1: people who know the Eagles or have ties to the Eagles,
18:05
Speaker 1: are in and around the Eagles, and you know, wonder,
18:07
Speaker 1: at what point, because we've seen Julian rise up and
18:12
Speaker 1: now have a title within the organization, at what point
18:15
Speaker 1: will Jeffrey be willing to or ready I should say,
18:19
Speaker 1: to hand that baton over. And I've wondered how far
18:23
Speaker 1: it is around the corner. If you were to listen
18:25
Speaker 1: to the press conference, you would think it's pretty far away.
18:27
Speaker 2: But that's just because the way he spoke.
18:30
Speaker 3: That's why I asked you because I had the same thought.
18:33
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, I'm he's actually saying I'm really
18:36
Speaker 3: in because you know, it's funny years ago he downplayed it.
18:41
Speaker 3: I was at I don't know what Owner's meanings was.
18:43
Speaker 3: I was sitting like the third row, and I don't
18:44
Speaker 3: think he was looking at me. But I maybe it's
18:47
Speaker 3: just kind of funny how he brought they asked him,
18:51
Speaker 3: so I don't know which reporter asked him something. It's
18:53
Speaker 3: like cool. I can't wait to hear what he said,
18:54
Speaker 3: and he deflected. He goes, no, no, no, I'm not
18:58
Speaker 3: I don't get this, that and the other. So good
19:00
Speaker 3: for him. I just think he's awesome. We always tell
19:04
Speaker 3: the truth. If we didn't think he wasn't awesome, we
19:07
Speaker 3: would say it. He's just it's hard. I don't I've
19:11
Speaker 3: never talked. I don't know if anyone you you tell
19:13
Speaker 3: me any former coach front office member. I can't think
19:20
Speaker 3: of anyone who's ever had a negative thing to say
19:22
Speaker 3: about it. Have you seriously? No?
19:25
Speaker 1: In fact, I would say even some of the people
19:28
Speaker 1: that we know and we've talked to who may have
19:30
Speaker 1: not been happy with him at some of those junctures
19:33
Speaker 1: in which they felt he was a little too hands
19:36
Speaker 1: done or yeah yeah, they still would on a personal level.
19:42
Speaker 1: These people love him and he's done. How can you
19:45
Speaker 1: know he's said some really nice things for his employees.
19:47
Speaker 3: He's a good man. He's a good man. He's upbeat,
19:50
Speaker 3: super upbeat, great energy. I've I've I know you've talked
19:55
Speaker 3: to him. I've I've enjoyed my private time. You're talking
19:57
Speaker 3: him over the here. It's been a while, but uh,
20:00
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. It's I don't know a
20:03
Speaker 3: lot of owners, and I know a decent amount of
20:05
Speaker 3: team presence I've dealt with over the years. But Don's
20:07
Speaker 3: a good guy. But it's just uh, more power to it, man,
20:11
Speaker 3: until you lose your energy, till you say you're done,
20:14
Speaker 3: until you're ready to hand over Jolan, he might as
20:16
Speaker 3: well keep doing it, you know.
20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, now why not? Yeah? Of course.
20:20
Speaker 1: I mean the big takeaway is you heard him talk
20:22
Speaker 1: about the obsession with the third super Bowl, and I
20:25
Speaker 1: think he wants that to happen.
20:26
Speaker 2: He obviously wants to happen sooner than later.
20:29
Speaker 1: And I do feel like a part of that is
20:31
Speaker 1: he wants to have three before he definitely hands it
20:34
Speaker 1: off because he felt you could tell by the way
20:37
Speaker 1: he said it, he felt like he should already have it.
20:39
Speaker 1: He felt like that loss to the Chiefs a couple
20:41
Speaker 1: of years ago was a spoiled opportunity. You know, he
20:45
Speaker 1: talked about that game. He felt like you should have
20:47
Speaker 1: that third one. He's got two. He definitely wants three,
20:50
Speaker 1: and if they win another, we'll see what happens after that.
20:53
Speaker 1: One thing he said or didn't say. And I credit
20:56
Speaker 1: Jeff McLean of The Inquirer for asking Jeff asked him
20:59
Speaker 1: about the CA spend where he's always been way ahead
21:03
Speaker 1: of everybody else, but the last year or two not
21:06
Speaker 1: as much, and he goes, oh, no, no, no, no, he
21:08
Speaker 1: said no, no, and then he sort of took that
21:12
Speaker 1: and then massaged the answer to start talking about the
21:15
Speaker 1: salary cap and always being and how good how he
21:18
Speaker 1: has been at finding ways to do what they do.
21:22
Speaker 1: So he never really addressed the question Jeff's asking, which
21:26
Speaker 1: is are you spending are you starting to not be
21:29
Speaker 1: the guy who's going to be putting out more money
21:31
Speaker 1: than the cap year to year. So we didn't really
21:34
Speaker 1: get the full answer on that.
21:35
Speaker 3: No, but what they do Okay, I heard that, and
21:37
Speaker 3: I know what they're doing because they spent cash over cap.
21:40
Speaker 3: We've talked about the option bonuses, the contract structure. But
21:44
Speaker 3: what they're doing is they're building from within. They like
21:46
Speaker 3: they if you. Up until twenty one, when how he
21:50
Speaker 3: really turned his career around. In terms of a drafter,
21:53
Speaker 3: he was super obsessed with free agency. Yes, he knew
21:56
Speaker 3: how important the draft was, but he wasn't getting it.
21:58
Speaker 3: He wasn't nailing it. Now he mostly nails it. He's
22:02
Speaker 3: really good, except, like we've talked about third day's gotta
22:05
Speaker 3: be better. But he's really good at it. But there's
22:09
Speaker 3: been a there's been a philosophical shift. I think part
22:13
Speaker 3: of it is when you start drafting really well, it's
22:16
Speaker 3: you've become a draft and developed team. Yep, that's it.
22:19
Speaker 3: And that's why it's become a good problem to have
22:23
Speaker 3: because now it's like he I think he talked about
22:25
Speaker 3: mill Williams. Jeffrey let off with that. That was good.
22:27
Speaker 3: I this is when I thought, I think sometimes he
22:30
Speaker 3: kind of rambles and he's evasive when he's when he's
22:32
Speaker 3: he comes in because he's aware. He reads everything, I'm sure,
22:35
Speaker 3: and he sees when there's criticism, the don't think it's fair.
22:37
Speaker 3: So sometimes he comes in with a little bit of
22:39
Speaker 3: a chip, or he doesn't. He was happy to go
22:41
Speaker 3: in any place. And plus they didn't win the super Bowl.
22:44
Speaker 3: And then the other thing he said, which which I liked.
22:46
Speaker 3: I'm glad because we don't usually do this stuff with
22:48
Speaker 3: with Jeffrey, but I thought this was good. He caught
22:51
Speaker 3: my ear when he said, I'm really like our plan
22:53
Speaker 3: for the season. Mm hmm, okay, not that he's going
22:56
Speaker 3: to tell us what the plane is but how he's
22:57
Speaker 3: outlined on what their plan is, probably knows who they
23:00
Speaker 3: like in the draft. He knows who they're going to extend,
23:04
Speaker 3: and he let he was in the interviews with Sean Manning,
23:06
Speaker 3: so he knows. I mean there's some positivity here. But
23:10
Speaker 3: they got a draft. Well, so we'll.
23:11
Speaker 2: See, yep, yep.
23:14
Speaker 1: Less thing with him obviously, Well, well, I wanted to
23:17
Speaker 1: ask get let's close off the stadium thing with this.
23:20
Speaker 1: So they've already started exploring it, the idea of a
23:24
Speaker 1: new stadium, which puts them ahead because their lease isn't
23:26
Speaker 1: up for still quite a bit. I think two thousand
23:28
Speaker 1: and what was the two thirty two, so they got
23:32
Speaker 1: a while here, you know, six years. And he was
23:34
Speaker 1: saying the first time they did it, they only had
23:36
Speaker 1: a couple of years, so they're well ahead of the pace.
23:39
Speaker 2: I personally hope they do not put a dome on.
23:43
Speaker 3: Oh we'll see, here's the problem. See, Okay, this is
23:47
Speaker 3: the issue. He knows that the chances of any cold
23:53
Speaker 3: weather stadium city getting a stadium I've begetting a super
23:59
Speaker 3: Bowl is nil. I know we had one walked out.
24:04
Speaker 3: It was the game of the Medlands. Yep, it might
24:07
Speaker 3: have been a metal I'm sure is that MetLife?
24:09
Speaker 2: It was?
24:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it was that MetLife And it just happened
24:12
Speaker 3: to be by a miracle in the in the winter
24:15
Speaker 3: with the mid fifties and.
24:16
Speaker 2: The game stuck and then it snowed the next day. Amazing.
24:19
Speaker 3: Okay, and yeah, and you plus, I remember talking to
24:23
Speaker 3: Jeffrey about it many years ago about it because I said, hey,
24:26
Speaker 3: how about a super Bowl here? Said, well, you know,
24:28
Speaker 3: hotel room's got to have enough of them. It's a
24:30
Speaker 3: very brief conversation I've just thought about because this kind,
24:32
Speaker 3: you know, you don't get them alone very much. You know,
24:34
Speaker 3: why don't they ever have a Super Bowl here? I know,
24:37
Speaker 3: I know he would answer it because you got it.
24:39
Speaker 3: You know, you got to meet the standards of having
24:40
Speaker 3: enough rooms, you know, super for the for everybody.
24:44
Speaker 1: So right, So I heard Jerry Jones asked by his
24:48
Speaker 1: by Dallas Cowboys media if he's been disappointed that they
24:52
Speaker 1: haven't had a Super Bowl in Dallas ever since the.
24:55
Speaker 2: The ice storm.
24:57
Speaker 3: I was there.
24:58
Speaker 1: It was awful, It was awful, and he said that
25:01
Speaker 1: the league, Look, the league's the league really values the
25:06
Speaker 1: entertainment aspect of this. And he went on to point
25:09
Speaker 1: out how much entertainment there is in Las Vegas, how
25:11
Speaker 1: much entertainment there is in New Orleans, how much entertainment
25:15
Speaker 1: you can find in San Francisco. And there's no doubt
25:19
Speaker 1: Philadelphia as a world class city, and there's entertainment, But
25:23
Speaker 1: people don't come to Philly to party the way they
25:26
Speaker 1: go to Miami or New Orleans or Vegas. It's a
25:30
Speaker 1: little bit different in my opinion. And I just don't
25:33
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a great Super Bowl city that
25:37
Speaker 1: will get you wavy. You might get one for building
25:40
Speaker 1: the stadium, but I doubt you would ever get it again.
25:42
Speaker 1: And to me, that's not worth taking away such a
25:45
Speaker 1: great home field environment, having an open air stadium, having
25:50
Speaker 1: games like you had against the Rams, and.
25:52
Speaker 2: It's not it's just not worth it.
25:53
Speaker 1: And I just don't I just don't think Philly will
25:56
Speaker 1: meet the demands that the celebrities in the big way.
26:00
Speaker 1: He had for wanting to party in February in winter here.
26:05
Speaker 3: That's part of it, you know. And the other thing
26:08
Speaker 3: is with an open air stadium. For those of you listening,
26:12
Speaker 3: we've been to the link. There's nothing like it. I mean,
26:17
Speaker 3: you could feel it even I mean, even if you're
26:21
Speaker 3: no matter how high up you're sitting third level, you
26:25
Speaker 3: still feel it. It's just nothing. The link is one
26:27
Speaker 3: of the best home field advantages in the national football
26:29
Speaker 3: and there's no question about it.
26:30
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right.
26:32
Speaker 1: So that that was just my feeling on it, and
26:34
Speaker 1: we'll see, I don't He didn't really get into whether
26:38
Speaker 1: or not. He kind of kept it to just the
26:40
Speaker 1: planning of it. The fact that they've refurbished the stadium.
26:43
Speaker 1: He didn't commit to definitely say they wanted a stadium.
26:46
Speaker 1: So I know the big question is do you a
26:48
Speaker 1: want a Super Bowl and b would you put a
26:50
Speaker 1: dome on it?
26:51
Speaker 2: And see would then.
26:52
Speaker 1: You build a multi purpose facility that might host Final
26:56
Speaker 1: fours and other events and things like that.
26:58
Speaker 2: He never got to that part in case anybody was wondering, Uh, And.
27:02
Speaker 3: What I was gonna say is you can have what
27:07
Speaker 3: you're gonna say there. But he did dress the Hurts question.
27:10
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because we've known for years that
27:13
Speaker 3: he's he's close to Hurts, but he gets he was
27:15
Speaker 3: close to Fletcher Cox. He's been close to a lot
27:16
Speaker 3: of players. Yes, he's very player friendly and you know,
27:22
Speaker 3: for someone he he's not going to criticize him. You could,
27:25
Speaker 3: you know, for folks who don't like Hurts, or who
27:27
Speaker 3: watch tape or you know kind of what's happened with
27:30
Speaker 3: Hurts the last few years. He's not gonna criticize him.
27:34
Speaker 3: He is not. You know, it's.
27:38
Speaker 2: Hurt.
27:38
Speaker 3: I mean, and Syrianna said, every opportunity to to not
27:44
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27:46
Speaker 3: He's not gonna do that. Right, he could do it privately,
27:50
Speaker 3: but he's not gonna do that publicly. It's not gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: All right, So that leads us to our second topic.
30:13
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, The ESPN story came out you and I
30:17
Speaker 1: didn't want to do a whole deep dive into it
30:19
Speaker 1: because to be honest with you, So when the story
30:25
Speaker 1: came out a long time inside the Birds, listener reached
30:29
Speaker 1: out to me and this person had said, Hey, I
30:33
Speaker 1: read the story from Tim McManus and Jeremy Fowler was
30:36
Speaker 1: very well written. It was a good story, and the
30:39
Speaker 1: person said that they felt that they already knew a
30:43
Speaker 1: lot of this because of being an Inside the Birds listener,
30:47
Speaker 1: So that is not me or Adam, to be clear,
30:50
Speaker 1: taking away from the great journalism done by Jeremy Fowler
30:54
Speaker 1: and Tim McManus. It was a wonderfully written story. But
30:58
Speaker 1: I do feel like we have discussed at length both
31:02
Speaker 1: the positives and the negatives that you saw in the story,
31:05
Speaker 1: and Adam, that's to me, I really appreciated the journalistic
31:10
Speaker 1: element of it because that story was not a hit piece.
31:13
Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says if you understand what
31:16
Speaker 1: a hit piece is and compare it to that, it's
31:18
Speaker 1: not because it presented both sides. It gave each side
31:23
Speaker 1: opportunities to speak on how they viewed this situation, and
31:27
Speaker 1: very what I find very rare, especially lately, is if
31:29
Speaker 1: you go back to the lead to lead, the story
31:31
Speaker 1: is about the fourth down call in the in the
31:33
Speaker 1: playoff game against Sarah converts right for verts, and even
31:37
Speaker 1: in the story, it's the authors basically say, hey, we
31:42
Speaker 1: don't exactly know, but this is what one side says,
31:45
Speaker 1: this is what that size. I feel sometimes authors of
31:47
Speaker 1: stories too often just try to put the one side
31:50
Speaker 1: in and because they don't want to look like they
31:52
Speaker 1: don't know.
31:53
Speaker 2: But that story absolutely.
31:55
Speaker 1: Left it opened up interpretation and let the reader decide
31:59
Speaker 1: for himself, herself or whatever. And I just appreciated about
32:02
Speaker 1: the whole story was written with very good balance. That's
32:05
Speaker 1: how I would want to start my saying, yeah, I
32:07
Speaker 1: thought it was.
32:07
Speaker 3: Very well balanced because I you and I have done
32:11
Speaker 3: pieces on over a career, when especially myself very early
32:15
Speaker 3: on when I was running a lot when just like
32:18
Speaker 3: Jeremy and I know both guys. I work with Tim
32:21
Speaker 3: very closely. When I was at ESPN, I know Jeremy
32:22
Speaker 3: very well. When I would do it's not an investigated piece,
32:28
Speaker 3: but when I do at a background piece because when
32:29
Speaker 3: I want to know what happened. I remember when I
32:32
Speaker 3: worked for Scott dot Com, I did. I did so
32:34
Speaker 3: much Cleveland Brown stuff. Oh my god, I just I
32:38
Speaker 3: don't know why, what's that?
32:41
Speaker 2: You poor poor soul?
32:42
Speaker 3: I know, but I had a lot of really good
32:44
Speaker 3: sourcing back then. And I it's just funny because Phil
32:47
Speaker 3: and I used to work to work together. He's a friend,
32:49
Speaker 3: Phil Savage, but I didn't know Phil then and I
32:52
Speaker 3: did sort of an expose on the problems that we're having.
32:56
Speaker 3: It was the Brandy Lerner was the owner, then Phil
32:59
Speaker 3: and but you know the futility they've had for decades.
33:02
Speaker 3: But anyway, I wanted to know why they couldn't get
33:06
Speaker 3: out of their own way. I wanted to get so
33:08
Speaker 3: many different people like Tim and Jeremy. Did you notice
33:11
Speaker 3: they put team source, team source, team source, So it's
33:13
Speaker 3: either player, a coach or phone else executive okay, and
33:18
Speaker 3: by the way.
33:19
Speaker 2: Or many right right?
33:21
Speaker 3: They had and in and out of it. Also sources
33:24
Speaker 3: around the league, who know. But what I try to
33:26
Speaker 3: explain to people, They're not like calling me knowing that
33:29
Speaker 3: I'm doing a piece. I'm asking them, hey, what could
33:33
Speaker 3: you tell me about this? Because I think I see
33:36
Speaker 3: looking at social media special especially with the ESPN piece,
33:40
Speaker 3: the hurt supporters that refused to listen to anything. They
33:45
Speaker 3: not only did they either think it was a hit piece,
33:47
Speaker 3: they think the sources had something out to get Hurts. No,
33:52
Speaker 3: that's not the way it works. No. I just I
33:57
Speaker 3: shake my head and I you know, I you know,
33:59
Speaker 3: I'm like you, I just put information. I don't really
34:01
Speaker 3: answer stuff.
34:03
Speaker 2: You do it here.
34:04
Speaker 1: I believe I believe Jeremy had went on a show
34:06
Speaker 1: after and was had said something to the effect of
34:10
Speaker 1: what we were trying to write was a story about
34:12
Speaker 1: why this offense that has all this money poured into
34:16
Speaker 1: it underperformed. It was not supposed to be about Jalen Hurts.
34:20
Speaker 1: Although I say, if you're going to write a story
34:22
Speaker 1: about an offense underperforming and you don't think your your
34:25
Speaker 1: quotes are going to be about the quarterback, I mean,
34:27
Speaker 1: what offense is not basically centered around, right, right, But
34:33
Speaker 1: either way, the intent was just to write about and
34:35
Speaker 1: then that's what it became and helped.
34:38
Speaker 3: Right, So to move this along, you know, I'm looking
34:40
Speaker 3: at the comments, I'm like, no, that's not what they
34:42
Speaker 3: were trying to do that you just said it. They're
34:44
Speaker 3: trying to figure out the highest paid offense to the
34:47
Speaker 3: National Football League. Okay, okay, you told about eleven. Why
34:52
Speaker 3: the hell a they utter achieving? Right, that's what you're
34:55
Speaker 3: trying to find out. And as you said, well you
34:57
Speaker 3: got to talk about the quarterback.
34:58
Speaker 4: For christsake, A bit like yeah, I just don't understand
35:04
Speaker 4: some of the Hurts truthers who have come to the
35:07
Speaker 4: they're actually it's been interesting.
35:09
Speaker 3: If you've checked social media last year and a half,
35:11
Speaker 3: some of the people who never listened to any criticism
35:12
Speaker 3: about Hurts. They get it now he's got certain limitations.
35:15
Speaker 3: There's a lot of quarterbacks do yeah. I mean, Josh
35:17
Speaker 3: Allen has some limitations. But they're willing to listen to
35:20
Speaker 3: this stuff like they understand it. But I agree sometimes
35:23
Speaker 3: I think it's over the lines that some of the
35:25
Speaker 3: criticism is ridiculous.
35:27
Speaker 2: I agree with that too.
35:28
Speaker 3: It's got to be tape study based and it's got
35:32
Speaker 3: to be people. You got to find out there was
35:36
Speaker 3: one comment where Hrt is stubborn or Hurts is tough
35:40
Speaker 3: to coach? Would you have to talk how many times
35:41
Speaker 3: have we talked about that for three four years? Okay,
35:44
Speaker 3: we've known that there's a reason why there's there's a
35:49
Speaker 3: certain inconsistency with hers. When you see it look good,
35:51
Speaker 3: you go, where the hell's this bit? And then you
35:53
Speaker 3: he reverts back. You know, I asked to I'm just
35:57
Speaker 3: gonna go, you know, I'm gonna bring something up here
35:59
Speaker 3: which I'm thinking of about looking into it. You know,
36:02
Speaker 3: I asked the coach, I said, what do you know
36:04
Speaker 3: as a coach? Who I know? He knows the coaches
36:06
Speaker 3: Eagles coaches. A longtime coach offensive coach still in the league,
36:11
Speaker 3: done pretty well for himself, said, hey, do you what
36:14
Speaker 3: do you know about what happened in Philly? You know
36:16
Speaker 3: Scott Scott Leffler is the quarterbacks coach and Batulo you know,
36:21
Speaker 3: I know he's pretty highly regarded. What do you know
36:23
Speaker 3: he goes, Well, here's what I know about Kevin and
36:25
Speaker 3: his reputation. Good guy, very smart, very well organized. He goes.
36:29
Speaker 3: You know that you know that he was sort of
36:31
Speaker 3: you know, you know he and Nick are very close.
36:34
Speaker 3: You know, he was the chief of staff. I go, yeah,
36:37
Speaker 3: I think we've probably talked about that before. But he
36:39
Speaker 3: might be too nice, I said, can you explain that
36:41
Speaker 3: he goes? If you're with a dominant personality like Hertz,
36:46
Speaker 3: he may be stoke and all that, but you don't understand,
36:48
Speaker 3: like you have to know, he's very strong willed. And
36:51
Speaker 3: this guy said that, And I don't know where he
36:53
Speaker 3: got this. I'm assuming that it's from what I didn't
36:55
Speaker 3: ask him. I just he just give me the stuff.
36:58
Speaker 3: I'm sure he got it from the coaches over the
37:00
Speaker 3: years that he could be not trusting. Now is it
37:03
Speaker 3: because of what happened at Alabama getting benched and having
37:07
Speaker 3: to transfer. I don't know. I don't know, but he
37:11
Speaker 3: said he's kind of fearful, not trustful of some people,
37:15
Speaker 3: and he's he wants to do things his way. Sometimes
37:18
Speaker 3: he's like, Okay, this is kind of what I've heard
37:19
Speaker 3: and what I know is and it's interesting. What I've
37:22
Speaker 3: learned about this situation is coaches always know from other teams.
37:27
Speaker 2: Right.
37:28
Speaker 3: They may not know the first year, when the guys
37:29
Speaker 3: has started for seven or eight years, or six or
37:31
Speaker 3: seven or eight years, they're going to find out because they coaches.
37:34
Speaker 2: No coaches, right.
37:35
Speaker 3: We don't talk about this a lot, but it's remarkable
37:37
Speaker 3: to me. And you know this because you don't have
37:38
Speaker 3: exchange notes for nine years. It's incredible how much they know,
37:42
Speaker 3: never working with each.
37:43
Speaker 2: Other along the way somewhere I mean, or worked with
37:45
Speaker 2: their best some of them.
37:46
Speaker 3: Right right, right, But I don't know who the guy knows.
37:49
Speaker 3: But he had some great detail. And you know, he
37:52
Speaker 3: brought up you know, most veteran quarterbacks are tough to coach,
37:55
Speaker 3: and they're especially when they get paid. I go, yeah,
37:57
Speaker 3: I've said that Montell's is sitting our Patreon chats, yep.
38:01
Speaker 3: But he did bring this up. He goes it's sometime
38:06
Speaker 3: that they're going to run out of excuse for her
38:08
Speaker 3: and stuff trying to protect him. I'm like, wh who
38:10
Speaker 3: are you talking about? He goes, well, the guy's up
38:13
Speaker 3: top because they paid him. I'm like, I he didn't
38:16
Speaker 3: have any detail. He doesn't know you and I might know.
38:19
Speaker 3: But yeah, like like Nick does not not that Nick
38:23
Speaker 3: should be calling out Jalen. He should do it. If
38:26
Speaker 3: he's got a problem with him. He wanted to play better,
38:29
Speaker 3: go after him in private, you know, in any room
38:32
Speaker 3: in the in the classroom environment. But you know, this
38:36
Speaker 3: guy brought up to me that at some point it's
38:38
Speaker 3: got to be about the quarterback playing sistant football. Like, yeah,
38:41
Speaker 3: it's your your I said to this coach, I said,
38:43
Speaker 3: you're kind of mirroring seventy five percent of the stuff
38:46
Speaker 3: I've known. I've either said and then you've give me
38:48
Speaker 3: some context. As I'm not a coach, I said, well,
38:51
Speaker 3: how do you know how they've tried to coach them?
38:54
Speaker 3: He goes any any number of ways he didn't know.
38:56
Speaker 3: I don't. Again, I didn't ask him. I don't ask
39:00
Speaker 3: they're going to volunteer it or if I sounds like
39:02
Speaker 3: I know who the coach who he's talking about is
39:05
Speaker 3: at this guy. But he did say that, he said,
39:07
Speaker 3: Kevin's really smart. He goes, I've been around him socially.
39:11
Speaker 3: I just know that people really respect him. You heard
39:14
Speaker 3: what was it, half leays? Was it half way? You
39:17
Speaker 3: spoke very high level of the head coach of Miami. Yeah,
39:23
Speaker 3: of Manyon, of Kevin No, Kevin.
39:25
Speaker 1: Kevin Batulo. Well, yeah, that was a while ago at
39:27
Speaker 1: the at the owner's meetings. He was asking about Manion
39:30
Speaker 1: and he really right, right, right.
39:31
Speaker 3: Right right. Someone went on records spook, how smart that
39:36
Speaker 3: Kevin is. But and I said, that's great. But the
39:40
Speaker 3: thing is you've got to be able to reach your players.
39:43
Speaker 3: And as we move this forward here this is in
39:46
Speaker 3: the ESPN piece. Our information is similar, folks, but it's
39:49
Speaker 3: a little different because we've been working. We've been gathering
39:52
Speaker 3: information on the background of why this thing has been
39:54
Speaker 3: a disaster for three years, and it's the inability to
39:57
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator to get on the same page. It's
40:02
Speaker 3: Hurts is a very mercurial personality, which means different, odd, quiet,
40:09
Speaker 3: but stubborn A. J. Brown and Jalen in their issues.
40:15
Speaker 3: You know, people have written about have talked about it.
40:18
Speaker 3: It's putting that all aside to move this forward. Where
40:23
Speaker 3: I totally believe the the ESPN piece hit it on
40:26
Speaker 3: the nail was they want the Eagles want the offense
40:31
Speaker 3: to evolve. Okay, they wanted to be forward thinking. Yes,
40:35
Speaker 3: Greg's Cosell said it last season one of the shows,
40:38
Speaker 3: and I got quoted everywhere. A league source sues in
40:43
Speaker 3: pro personnel called it a high school offense and his
40:47
Speaker 3: and uh, this part, I'm gonna it is going to
40:48
Speaker 3: be new. The guy said to me, it's because this
40:51
Speaker 3: is this is what you they have to run to
40:53
Speaker 3: get Hurts going. That's an opinion based on tapes that
40:56
Speaker 3: he got. He's donet work for the Eagles. He never
40:58
Speaker 3: worked there before either. Yeah, that's and that's the ESPN piece.
41:03
Speaker 3: That's what Tim and Jeremy wanted to find out, right,
41:06
Speaker 3: why are their issues? And then they talked, you know,
41:09
Speaker 3: they did talk about what this offense is going to
41:11
Speaker 3: look like with play action A true Shadahan McVeigh is
41:16
Speaker 3: timing play action quarterback under center. That's it, right, and
41:22
Speaker 3: that's I thought they did it. Usually when I see
41:25
Speaker 3: these pieces, I there's stuff I could pick apart. I
41:28
Speaker 3: couldn't pick anything apart of this because you and I
41:30
Speaker 3: know too much. So it's like this is a really
41:32
Speaker 3: fair piece.
41:33
Speaker 1: Yes, it was fair, and look right, look look Jillen
41:36
Speaker 1: Hurts kind of already let you in on who he is,
41:39
Speaker 1: by the way. Uh He's stood in front of a
41:42
Speaker 1: microphone after a game one day and said, the offense
41:45
Speaker 1: is going to look the way I want it to look. Okay,
41:48
Speaker 1: you can interpret that any way you want. I didn't
41:51
Speaker 1: have a huge issue with it because when you win
41:54
Speaker 1: that way and you do what he's done, and you
41:56
Speaker 1: are a starting.
41:57
Speaker 2: Quarterback paid in that echelon, it should you should.
42:00
Speaker 1: Have a lot of autonomy on it and fingerprints on it. However,
42:03
Speaker 1: you should also be judged on it. And we're not
42:06
Speaker 1: talking about the running game here. We're always talking about
42:08
Speaker 1: the pass offense. And to your point, it's looked like
42:11
Speaker 1: a high school offense, and from watching it, from doing
42:14
Speaker 1: tape breakdown, from talking to people, it's looked that way.
42:18
Speaker 1: As you just brought up. A person said, because you
42:20
Speaker 1: know it's catered to Jalen Hurts, Well, his strength is
42:24
Speaker 1: throwing that deep ball down the left sideline and it's
42:27
Speaker 1: not thrown between the numbers, and so that's part of
42:30
Speaker 1: why the offense has looked the way it has looked
42:33
Speaker 1: for quite why different coordinators and the story mentioned this
42:36
Speaker 1: as well, and we've talked about this acknowledge of the
42:38
Speaker 1: year it happened. Even Kellen Moore basically decided he was
42:42
Speaker 1: going to run the Eagles offense after six weeks and
42:44
Speaker 1: not the offense he wanted to run. So to encapsulate
42:48
Speaker 1: it all and kind of put a bow on it,
42:49
Speaker 1: move it forward. This is an important year, as you said,
42:52
Speaker 1: because Seawan Manion's offense, in the true essence of it,
42:56
Speaker 1: if it's going to be this West Coast McVeigh, Shanahan
42:59
Speaker 1: Lafleur type offense, it's supposed to have the answers built in.
43:04
Speaker 1: The quarterback is not going to in these offenses typically
43:07
Speaker 1: don't have to change plays and do a whole lot
43:11
Speaker 1: of checking and audibling because the answers.
43:14
Speaker 2: Are supposed to already be there.
43:15
Speaker 1: You're supposed to have a nice marriage between your running
43:18
Speaker 1: game and your play action pass. There will be under
43:21
Speaker 1: center and there will be things asked of Jalen that
43:25
Speaker 1: we've talked about and that the story pointed out that
43:27
Speaker 1: he has in the past been reluctant to do, but
43:30
Speaker 1: we'd never said he's never done. He obviously did it
43:32
Speaker 1: last year at times. Now how much they wanted to
43:35
Speaker 1: do it more versus how much guys willing to do
43:38
Speaker 1: that's a question to be answered. But we'll find out
43:41
Speaker 1: because that is the offense they are about to run.
43:44
Speaker 1: Make no mistake, it's not incorporating those concepts. Those are
43:49
Speaker 1: the offensive concepts that Manion's gonna expected to bring it here.
43:53
Speaker 1: And we'll find out about this ability to connect or
43:57
Speaker 1: not between the coordinator and the quarterback.
43:59
Speaker 3: All right, two things I want to There's one other
44:01
Speaker 3: thing I wanted to get into with you, which I'll
44:03
Speaker 3: just turn the because I'm interested to see what what
44:05
Speaker 3: you recall something in your past that we covered because
44:09
Speaker 3: this whole discussion made me think about it. But uh,
44:14
Speaker 3: I asked someone from another team, I said, what do
44:17
Speaker 3: you know about Sean Mannon? It was everything I've heard
44:20
Speaker 3: is great. But the guy brought this up. He goes,
44:23
Speaker 3: you don't know until he's got to get in front
44:25
Speaker 3: of the quarterback. Sure, I said, can you explain that
44:28
Speaker 3: he was? He's got to present what he wants to do,
44:29
Speaker 3: and the guy's got to buy in. I'm like, how
44:31
Speaker 3: does that work? Like what, like, when do you do it?
44:33
Speaker 3: He goes, he'll do it when they're allowed to talk
44:34
Speaker 3: to him one on one at OTAs and you're you present.
44:39
Speaker 3: This is what it's going to look like. They I
44:41
Speaker 3: don't know if Hurt says the playbook already. I'm not
44:43
Speaker 3: sure what because we know they're extremely limited to you
44:46
Speaker 3: really not, You're very limited to what you could say
44:49
Speaker 3: to the you're not allowed to coach right now. But
44:51
Speaker 3: as soon he goes, he's gonna get in front of him,
44:54
Speaker 3: he's gonna present it, and he's got to speak this
44:57
Speaker 3: certain way like he's very confident. And he and I go, wow,
45:00
Speaker 3: that's interesting because he's a first year coordinator. Is only
45:02
Speaker 3: this is only second year of coaching, correct.
45:04
Speaker 2: The second only second year coaching.
45:07
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, the way you the guy put
45:09
Speaker 3: it to him.
45:09
Speaker 2: I was like, Jesus, oh, listen, this this thing's not
45:13
Speaker 2: a given. We know that.
45:15
Speaker 3: But but but I'm gonna defend Hurts here. And we
45:18
Speaker 3: talked about we learned a lot about Hurts last season.
45:21
Speaker 3: This nonsense that he can't throw over the middle, it's
45:23
Speaker 3: just not proven. The tape shows it. He doesn't do
45:25
Speaker 3: it enough. It's true, he's risk averse. That's the tape again,
45:28
Speaker 3: it's tape study based. It's not as Greg's. It's not opinion.
45:31
Speaker 3: It's a fact. Right, But we and I know people
45:34
Speaker 3: killed her for the four toneovers against the Chargers. He
45:38
Speaker 3: made the best throw of his life on that throw
45:40
Speaker 3: of pass, that that angry pass over the middle of
45:42
Speaker 3: the smith where we're like, wow, it got lost in
45:46
Speaker 3: everything because they turned it. They hurts it two turnovers
45:49
Speaker 3: in one play. But he made some throws last season
45:52
Speaker 3: in the Minnesota game where you go, where's this coming from? Like,
45:55
Speaker 3: why can't we see this more? John d Flippo this.
45:58
Speaker 3: I asked John this years ago, many times over his
46:02
Speaker 3: career with the quarterbacks he coached, when they were struggling.
46:05
Speaker 3: I said, what, why can't he play better? He goes,
46:07
Speaker 3: this is why, this is. This is our process. We
46:10
Speaker 3: rep it, We watch the tape and we go over it.
46:14
Speaker 3: I can't I can't yell at it at him on
46:17
Speaker 3: the sides. Why did you make that throw? You go
46:20
Speaker 3: over it and you rep it, and that's all you
46:22
Speaker 3: can do. At some point, this move this along and
46:26
Speaker 3: I want to I want to get the other thing quickly.
46:28
Speaker 3: The guy could either could do it or he can't.
46:30
Speaker 3: And I'm hot. I was telling our Patreon folks Wednesday,
46:33
Speaker 3: I might be in the minority of this. I for
46:35
Speaker 3: some reason, I think Hurts is going to get this
46:36
Speaker 3: offense because it cannot work if you don't throw it quickly.
46:41
Speaker 3: It literally cannot work. This is not Jalen wanting to
46:45
Speaker 3: throw the deep ball a lot. Yes, the deep bow
46:48
Speaker 3: will be part of any NFL offense, and especially with him,
46:51
Speaker 3: but that's going to be minor compared to what this
46:53
Speaker 3: thing's going to look like inside the Numbers, folks. It's
46:56
Speaker 3: not gonna be outside of the Numbers offense anymore. It's
46:58
Speaker 3: not And you know, no, Yeah, the.
47:03
Speaker 1: Chargers game that overtimes throwing advant that what I was
47:06
Speaker 1: talking about.
47:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was ridiculous. Yeah, so let me ask you
47:12
Speaker 3: a question that was a reporter. Yeah, the Dream Team year.
47:17
Speaker 1: Okay, somebody just asked me about this recently.
47:20
Speaker 3: But because I wondered how that was one of the
47:23
Speaker 3: biggest cluster f's I've ever seen. This is the nom
47:26
Speaker 3: the year. Yea, this is coming out of lockout, didn't
47:30
Speaker 3: have a lot of time. It was just bad yeah,
47:35
Speaker 3: and then finding out the implosion of the team. Who
47:38
Speaker 3: is the d tackle that really really spoke well, like
47:41
Speaker 3: very but very critical.
47:44
Speaker 2: I believe you're talking about Chris Jenkins.
47:46
Speaker 3: No, wasn't.
47:47
Speaker 2: It wasn't christ Jenkins.
47:49
Speaker 3: He came from Washington. This guy great dude, This guy
47:52
Speaker 3: was very outspoken. He told the truth on the entitlement
47:55
Speaker 3: of the players. It was just a bad room. I'll
48:00
Speaker 3: look it up. But how did you as a reporter
48:02
Speaker 3: once it imploded?
48:03
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, I meant Cullen Jenkins, not Colin Jenkins. Yes,
48:05
Speaker 2: yes you got it. Yes they're related.
48:07
Speaker 3: But I okay, what did you How did you? Like,
48:12
Speaker 3: you had to get information, you had to find out
48:13
Speaker 3: what that was going on?
48:14
Speaker 2: Right, Yes?
48:16
Speaker 3: What how did you go about it?
48:19
Speaker 1: And so this is what year to Tom about five
48:23
Speaker 1: years so I'm still a little bit learning at that point,
48:25
Speaker 1: like I'm not a seasoned guy yet trying to figure
48:28
Speaker 1: things out. But I found out more things, unfortunately after
48:33
Speaker 1: the year.
48:33
Speaker 2: Than while it was going.
48:35
Speaker 1: When you're in the middle of the grind during the season,
48:37
Speaker 1: it's it's hard, plus you don't have as many access
48:39
Speaker 1: to people. But I found out that people who on
48:44
Speaker 1: the surface looked like good character, good leaders. You know,
48:48
Speaker 1: they present themselves in front of the media as good
48:51
Speaker 1: teammates and things.
48:51
Speaker 2: I found out afterward we're not, you know, And I
48:54
Speaker 2: was surprised. Some of it surprised me.
48:56
Speaker 1: There's only so much access, even when you're around them
48:58
Speaker 1: all day long. Only some much behind the scenes access
49:02
Speaker 1: you can have, and so many sources you can have
49:04
Speaker 1: during the grind of the regular season. So yeah, I
49:07
Speaker 1: found out that the chemistry was was really bad, and
49:10
Speaker 1: that there were too many non adults in too many
49:12
Speaker 1: rooms of guys who should have been adults.
49:16
Speaker 3: So when you asked those questions, did you feel like
49:20
Speaker 3: they were just trying to bury the guy that you
49:21
Speaker 3: asked for the truth and you got it.
49:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, just just because sometimes I wasn't fishing per
49:28
Speaker 1: se like you. Like we talked about. When you go
49:30
Speaker 1: to these off season events, you start talking to some people.
49:32
Speaker 1: Some people may have already left the team at that point.
49:36
Speaker 2: And yeah, I remember catching up with a few people
49:38
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl and just saying, like.
49:41
Speaker 3: Sean Desai stuff. I mean, we weren't looking for anything
49:43
Speaker 3: on Shorna Si. It just were coming up to us,
49:46
Speaker 3: tapping us on the Shore. I'll never forget that. Like
49:49
Speaker 3: you were like you were kind of like blown away,
49:52
Speaker 3: like what is got what happened? Like you knew there
49:54
Speaker 3: was bad, but you had no idea. Yeah, like just
49:57
Speaker 3: how it wasn't working. One guy said he wouldn't go
49:59
Speaker 3: back there. I was on the stat like it was like.
50:01
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's how that's how it
50:04
Speaker 2: came about.
50:05
Speaker 3: S want the truth out that that's I think what
50:08
Speaker 3: happens is fans fall into this. You can't you can't
50:11
Speaker 3: criticize your our player, he's our guy, and blame everyone else.
50:16
Speaker 3: Blame the coach, Blame the head coach, Blame the quarterback, coach,
50:20
Speaker 3: blame the coordinator, no matter what position is, you could
50:22
Speaker 3: put whatever it is. Why does guy regress? It's company,
50:25
Speaker 3: this guy's fault. It can't be our guy's fault. Right
50:27
Speaker 3: at some point, folks, it's got to be off of football.
50:30
Speaker 3: Why does this keep happening?
50:31
Speaker 2: Right? Right?
50:32
Speaker 1: I think that this our report in the ESPN story,
50:36
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, about the whole discussion
50:40
Speaker 1: or discourse on the offense and Jalen Hurts and the coaches,
50:43
Speaker 1: to me, is the perfect exemplification of the phrase that
50:48
Speaker 1: Greg likes to say, which is reasonable. People can disagree
50:53
Speaker 1: you and I like to point out the phrase two
50:55
Speaker 1: things that seemingly conflict can be true, and it just
50:59
Speaker 1: means that it's not black and white like you know, unfortunately,
51:02
Speaker 1: if you go on social media, everything's black and white.
51:04
Speaker 1: Kevin Bittulo is not is the worst, Jalen Hurts is
51:07
Speaker 1: untouchable or Jalen Hurts stinks, and Kevin Bittullo was undermined,
51:12
Speaker 1: like it just gets way too extreme when you have
51:15
Speaker 1: a breakdown the way the egals have. It's never gonna
51:17
Speaker 1: be about just one thing. And I thought that story
51:21
Speaker 1: did a nice job of presenting that. Sure Hurts was
51:24
Speaker 1: the epicenter of it, and there was some blowback against
51:26
Speaker 1: him because it's the quarterback of an offense that didn't
51:29
Speaker 1: perform to its standards, But there was plenty in that
51:32
Speaker 1: story that will let you know and what we've talked
51:34
Speaker 1: about that two things can be true.
51:36
Speaker 2: Do I think is Jalen Hurts stubborn?
51:38
Speaker 3: Yes?
51:39
Speaker 2: Is he uncoachable? Somebody used that word on social media.
51:42
Speaker 2: This is uncoachable? No, not uncoachable.
51:45
Speaker 1: If he was uncoachable, Adam, he wouldn't have done some
51:48
Speaker 1: good things from under center last year and made some
51:51
Speaker 1: nice throws. So stubborn and uncoachable, hard to coach, hard
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Speaker 1: hard coach, absolutely true.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean uncoachable though.
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Speaker 3: No, I I yeah, I don't. I don't know who
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Speaker 3: that source was they spoke to. Was that A did
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Speaker 3: it say team source on there?
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Speaker 2: I don't even remember if that word specifically was in
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Speaker 2: the story.
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Speaker 3: I just.
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Speaker 1: I think it was well then, and again, that's what
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Speaker 1: that's one sources viewpoint of it. I've heard of players
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Speaker 1: You and I have both heard of players who you
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Speaker 1: would absolutely say were unco like, would not listen to anybody,
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Speaker 1: would not make any adjustment.
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Speaker 2: To their game, right like.
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Speaker 1: So so you know that's why I'm careful with wording.
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Speaker 1: But two things can be true at the same time.
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Speaker 3: That's your line. Now you've loved that, I'm going to
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Speaker 3: say that I like that. Well on Twitter or x
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Speaker 3: you're not allowed to have there's no context allowed. You
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Speaker 3: cannot have context to see that. As you said, black one,
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Speaker 3: it's this or that. There's no in between, there's no explanation.
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Speaker 3: It's that's why we do audio and video because we
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Speaker 3: could actually explain it. And it's uh it's interesting. This
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Speaker 3: is a big year for Hurts though. Yeah, it's sure absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if he wants a new deal twenty seven,
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Speaker 3: he's got to play lights out. I'm so fascinated and
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Speaker 3: I'm just really interested to see how this is gonna work. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: even if they trade Brown, who replaces him? And this
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Speaker 3: what this offense is gonna look like a true West
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Speaker 3: Coast offense because Andy's was Andy's and Dougs were their
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Speaker 3: version of it. Mm hmm, it's not there's a there's
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Speaker 3: this Mike Shanahan, Mike hol Grins. I'm sorry, then you've
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Speaker 3: got the adjunct. Yes, home grid is is is home
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Speaker 3: Grind was Bill Walsh. But it gets bastardized, it gets changed. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: there's always an interpret like the Fangio Disciples. They don't
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Speaker 3: run it exactly like Vic does. It's very close, but
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Speaker 3: it's their version of it. So they're gonna tweak it, right,
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Speaker 3: you know that.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the home Grin and Andy West Coast
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Speaker 1: Tree ran the ball the way the Shanahan West Coast.
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Speaker 3: He's got to run openers. Yeah, he's Kyle's not shy
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Speaker 3: about it. It starts with a run. He's one of
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Speaker 3: the he's one, but his scheme, his ability to scheme
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Speaker 3: guys open. It's just the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
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Speaker 3: And botherway that got Juwan Jennings. As we speak right now,
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Speaker 3: it's still not sign. How is that?
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Speaker 1: I know, I know he'd be a perfect fit too,
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Speaker 1: but that is for another day. I think we've probably
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Speaker 1: talked as much as we probably can and given you
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Speaker 1: as much inside of our minds and our sourcing as
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Speaker 1: we possibly can on this situation, and it was good.
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Speaker 1: It was a good conversation and I'm glad we got
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