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The Championship Winning Score · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

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SPEAKER_00: Hi everybody, welcome to the Pittsburgh Sports Memories Podcast.
0:04
SPEAKER_00: My name is Tim Hannon and I am joined by uh Steve Wirt.
0:10
SPEAKER_00: The always knowledgeable Steve Wirt.
0:13
SPEAKER_06: You flatter me.
0:16
SPEAKER_00: I I always like to.
0:18
SPEAKER_00: In this episode, we're going to talk about the championship winning score.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: So I I think one thing I want to say right off the bat here, Steve, is you know, I I think we as Pittsburgh fans, we often mope and complain, and the Steelers haven't won a playoff game since, you know, almost 10 years, and the Penguins haven't want to play off series for X amount of years, and Pirates just, you know, stink all the time.
0:56
SPEAKER_00: And all that's valid criticism, but I I think sometimes we should keep things in perspective of how fortunate we've been as Pittsburgh sports fans to have franchises who've captured as many championships as our teams have.
1:09
SPEAKER_00: When you consider some cities barely have any at all.
1:13
SPEAKER_00: Like imagine being a Cleveland fan.
1:14
SPEAKER_06: You're hanging on to that LeBron championship from a couple years back.
1:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you could be our age, and and if we grew up in Cleveland, our whole lives would have been.
1:25
SPEAKER_06: Our whole podcast would just be talking about LeBron winning that winning that game.
1:30
SPEAKER_00: It really would be.
1:31
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: So I'm very, very fortunate, very blessed to be Pittsburgh sports fans.
1:37
SPEAKER_00: And we thought it'd be fun to go through all those championships and look at who was responsible for the hit or the goal or the touchdown that ultimately won the game and the championship for the Pittsburgh team.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: So that's what we're going to do in this episode is go through all of the championship winning scores.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: And some criteria here.
1:59
SPEAKER_00: We're only doing pros, so no college or high school.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: And we're only counting championships from the three major pro sports teams in Pittsburgh.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: That would be the Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins.
2:09
SPEAKER_00: So sorry, fans of the Pittsburgh Pi Pipers and Pittsburgh Triangles.
2:13
SPEAKER_06: Speaking of the Pittsburgh Triangles, did you just see at the Australian Open that uh what's her name?
2:18
SPEAKER_06: The the Oolong, the lady who played for the Triangles, she was there.
2:22
SPEAKER_06: They they brought her out.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, nice.
2:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: Maybe she's the one that had the championship-winning serve for the Triangles, but we will not cover that.
2:32
SPEAKER_00: So based on that criteria, there are 16 championships, six Super Bowls from the Steelers, five Stanley Cups from the Penguins, and five World Series titles from your buccos.
2:43
SPEAKER_00: And I thought it'd be kind of boring to do this like in straight chronological order, Steve.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: So instead I broke up the 16th championship winning scores into three categories.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: So the three categories are the firsts, which is like the first time it happened.
2:58
SPEAKER_00: The second category is I'm calling great players making great plays.
3:02
SPEAKER_00: And then the third category is just dramatic moments.
3:06
SPEAKER_00: So that's how we're going to do this.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: Make sense?
3:11
SPEAKER_06: I'm totally confused.
3:12
SPEAKER_06: No, yes, it makes perfect sense.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: Um so the so the first category is the firsts.
3:20
SPEAKER_00: The first time that each of these teams won a championship.
3:23
SPEAKER_06: You always remember your first, Tim.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: You always remember your first time winning a championship.
3:28
SPEAKER_00: Or if you're a Cleveland fan, your only time.
3:33
SPEAKER_00: So let's start with the very first championship.
3:36
SPEAKER_00: We go all the way back to the year 1909.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: The Pittsburgh Pirates are playing the Detroit Tigers in the World Series.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: And in this World Series is billed as Hannes Wagner versus Ty Cobb, the two biggest stars of the day facing off for a championship.
3:51
SPEAKER_00: It's it's really it's like magic versus bird before magic and bird, right?
3:56
SPEAKER_06: And if both of them were white.
3:58
SPEAKER_06: Well, yes, that too.
4:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh so uh it it actually ends up being a really good back and forth series.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: Both teams seem very evenly matched, and it all comes down to a deciding game seven at Bennett Park in Detroit.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: So much drama, and the Pirates win eight to nothing.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: So much for drama.
4:25
SPEAKER_00: But hey, hey, hey, who got them that first run that ended up being the game winner?
4:30
SPEAKER_00: It it was probably like a solo home run by Hannes Wagner or something like that, right?
4:35
SPEAKER_00: So in the top of the second inning, the Pirates have the bases loaded, and up to the plate comes a rookie named Ham Hyatt.
4:43
SPEAKER_00: Ham Hyatt is not supposed to be playing in this game.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: The Pirates started Bobby Byrne at third base, but back in the first inning, Byrne had collided with one of the Tigers infielders, and he sprains his ankle.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: So now this rookie named Ham Hyatt has to replace him, and this is only his second at bat of the entire series.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: And here he is coming up game seven, and the bases are loaded.
5:07
SPEAKER_00: High pressure situation, but Ham Hyatt comes through, he hits a sacrifice fly deep to center field, Bill Abstein scores, and after that the route is on.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: Again, the Pirates end up winning by a bunch of runs.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: Ham Hyatt plays six more seasons in the majors, uh, goes on to live a pretty long life.
5:25
SPEAKER_00: He passes away in 1963 at the age of 78, but he'll forever have a place in Pittsburgh sports history as being responsible for the first ever championship winning score.
5:35
SPEAKER_06: Good for Ham Hyatt.
5:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:39
SPEAKER_06: Who could forget Ham Hyatt?
5:41
SPEAKER_00: No.
5:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, hopefully now people will know his story and they won't forget him.
5:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, one footnote to this, uh, Steve, that Major League Baseball used to have an official stat called game-winning RBI.
5:55
SPEAKER_06: I guess Ham Hyatt would have been that guy.
5:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he would have had one of those in the World Series.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh that was a controversial stat.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh and it was and they ended up removing that stat in 1989 because of instances like this.
6:10
SPEAKER_00: Because you had no idea if a game-winning RBI meant that you got like a clutch hit in the bottom of the ninth to win the game, or if you hit a sackfly in the second inning of a blowout like Ham Hyatt did.
6:21
SPEAKER_06: Why does it matter?
6:22
SPEAKER_06: I mean you stole the game-winning RBI.
6:26
SPEAKER_06: I mean, whatever.
6:28
SPEAKER_06: Run's a run, whether it's one run or eight runs.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: I think the spirit behind the the role or the stat was that they were trying to measure like who is a clutch hitter.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, like boy, if this guy had the most game-winning RBIs that season, he must have had a really clutch season, but he maybe or maybe not.
6:47
SPEAKER_00: So because of that ambiguity, they ended up saying, you know what, we're not gonna track this anymore.
6:52
SPEAKER_06: They still I wonder if they track that in hockey, like with game-winning goal.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
6:58
SPEAKER_00: I think that would be well, you might get into the same problem there.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: We'll actually talk about that here with the Penguins because they're gonna come up with a similar situation.
7:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but here's a good trivia question, Steve.
7:10
SPEAKER_00: Because that stat is no longer tracked, do you know who holds and will forever hold the record in Major League Baseball for most game-winning RBIs?
7:21
SPEAKER_06: Oh, wow.
7:22
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
7:23
SPEAKER_06: That's a good question.
7:24
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
7:24
SPEAKER_06: Ty Cobb, I don't know.
7:25
SPEAKER_06: Uh Tony Gwynn.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: So the answer to that question is Who are you talking about?
7:32
SPEAKER_12: Uh Keith Hernandez.
7:35
SPEAKER_07: Keith Hernandez?
7:37
SPEAKER_07: Keith Hernandez.
7:40
SPEAKER_06: Wow.
7:41
SPEAKER_00: Keith Hernandez?
7:44
SPEAKER_06: You know, he asked me to move a couch once.
7:50
SPEAKER_00: So a little trivia for you there.
7:53
SPEAKER_06: That's weird.
7:54
SPEAKER_06: It would be somebody odd like that, too.
7:57
SPEAKER_06: He did win a gold glove.
7:59
SPEAKER_06: I mean, it was as Elaine points out, it was only a first base.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: And he was a pretty clutch hitter.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he uh uh was a National League MVP for the Cardinals and then and then obviously had a lot of really good years there with the Mets.
8:13
SPEAKER_00: So you could see somebody like him holding that record.
8:17
SPEAKER_00: But uh alas, that record is no more, so Keith Hernandez gets to hold that for the rest of time.
8:23
SPEAKER_06: I wonder who the last person like in 1989 to have a game-winning RBI was.
8:29
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, good question.
8:30
SPEAKER_00: We'll have to look that up too another time.
8:34
SPEAKER_00: So go look that one up for yourselves, folks.
8:38
SPEAKER_00: So so let's talk about that.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: Was the Pirates' first game-winning championship winning score.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the Steelers.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh in 1974, after 40 years in the wilderness, the Pittsburgh Steelers, they're on the verge of their first ever Super Bowl title.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: Their steel curtain defense is shutting down the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl nine, but in the third quarter, they only have a two to nothing lead because Minnesota has a pretty good defense, too.
9:03
SPEAKER_00: The Steelers do catch a break when Minnesota fumbles the opening kickoff of the second half.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: We uh we talked about that in our lucky breaks episode, Steve.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: That was one where they uh Roy Garolla slipped on the polyturf.
9:16
SPEAKER_06: Polytur.
9:18
SPEAKER_06: Sounds sounds sounds like a great thing to play football on.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: That nefarious polyturf.
9:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh and that sets up what will become the game winning score, which is this play.
9:30
SPEAKER_13: And Bradshaw giving it to Harris, getting a key block from Mullins running to the left, turning the corner.
9:35
SPEAKER_13: He's in there for a touchdown of Pittsburgh.
9:38
SPEAKER_13: Jerry Mellons giving the block.
9:40
SPEAKER_13: Mullins pulling and blocking for Franco Harris.
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SPEAKER_13: Harris running wide to the left.
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SPEAKER_13: Swung into the end zone for the touchdown.
9:47
SPEAKER_13: And the Steelers are on the board with their first CD of the afternoon.
9:51
SPEAKER_08: Right linebacker, Wally.
9:53
SPEAKER_08: Hilgenberg gets Steeler in.
9:55
SPEAKER_08: He was the only guy who could have stopped Franco.
9:57
SPEAKER_08: Jerry Mellon putting a perfect block on him, flattening Hilgenberg.
10:02
SPEAKER_08: Franco sailing into the corner of the end zone, and the Steelers out in front eight to nothing.
10:11
SPEAKER_00: The Vikings and Steelers each score one more touchdown in that game, so that's that's why that play is your game winner.
10:18
SPEAKER_06: Okay, yeah, because they ate nothing.
10:20
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
10:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh as you heard in that audio, Franco gets the game-winning score, but the real hero on that play is Moon Mullins, who makes just a tremendous block on Wally Hill Hilgenberg to free Harris to the outside.
10:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh and and if you watch that play, that's really Franco's gonna get stopped there.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: He's going to the outside and he's not gonna go very far if if Mullins doesn't make that block.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: So Mullins, you know, kind of like most guards, he's he's one of those like unsung stalwarts of those 1970 STOOR teams.
10:51
SPEAKER_00: He actually plays on all four Super Bowl teams.
10:54
SPEAKER_06: I didn't know that.
10:56
SPEAKER_06: Like guards, you don't hear much about them.
10:59
SPEAKER_00: No, no, and we're actually going to talk about a guard later in this episode.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: So that's a good teaser because there's another guard later who has a very key moment on a game-winning uh championship touchdown.
11:10
SPEAKER_06: Could be Alan Fannica.
11:14
SPEAKER_00: Could be.
11:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't think you understand the definition of teaser.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: So that's the Pirates and Steelers.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the Penguins.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: Another instance of a Pittsburgh team who had been bad for so long, finally getting a shot at glory, also against a team from Minnesota.
11:32
SPEAKER_00: The Penguins and North Stars are playing in game six of the Stanley Cup finals.
11:37
SPEAKER_00: And just like in 1909, not a lot of drama for this one, as it also ends up being eight to nothing.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: Something about that score, Steve.
11:45
SPEAKER_00: So the Pirates won 8-0 in their first championship.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: The Steelers had an 8-0 lead after that Franco touchdown, and then the Penguins win their first Stanley Cup 8-0.
11:55
SPEAKER_06: So when it's 8-0 and it's your first championship, you're in good shape.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: You're in good shape.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
12:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh so who got that very first goal, which was the game winner?
12:06
SPEAKER_00: Well, nine seconds into the game, Neil Broughton for Minnesota decides he's going to take a cheap shot on Penguins goaltender Tom Barrasso.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not sure if that was like a calculated thing.
12:18
SPEAKER_00: Like the North Stars thought they could bully the Penguins and assert themselves physically or what, you know, whatever that hockey nonsense is.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: But the refs aren't going to allow those kinds of shenanigans tonight.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: And Broughton goes into the penny penalty box nine seconds into the game.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: That sets up a power play.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: And Steve, do you remember who gets this goal?
12:38
SPEAKER_06: Uh I I knew you were going to mention this one, and I don't remember.
12:42
SPEAKER_06: I I keep one I no.
12:44
SPEAKER_06: I don't take a guess.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: Just take a guess.
12:47
SPEAKER_06: Oh, let's see.
12:48
SPEAKER_06: Penguins of the nineties.
12:50
SPEAKER_06: We'll go with uh the wreck and ball Mark Recke.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's wrong, but it's a good guess.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: Here is the correct answer.
12:58
SPEAKER_14: He killed 13 seconds ago, but he's done the one with a fence of the penguin with a Samuelson.
13:03
SPEAKER_14: Samuelson, the penguins one nothing.
13:07
SPEAKER_14: Bob Erie, my flick and lady from the penguins take the money.
13:10
SPEAKER_14: Oh no, Eddie Spaghetti.
13:12
SPEAKER_14: Samuelson from a weak shot from the left side.
13:14
SPEAKER_14: Bob Ery in front.
13:15
SPEAKER_14: Might have touched it, and the Penguins take the lead one nothing.
13:20
SPEAKER_06: Bob Erie, or is it all Samuelson?
13:22
SPEAKER_00: It was all Samuelson who scores the goal.
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SPEAKER_00: Bob Erie did not tip it.
13:26
SPEAKER_00: Although Erie, in addition to just about the rest of the roster, does end up scoring a goal in this game.
13:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh but it's yeah, it's all Samuelson, who, you know, obviously not known as a goal scorer, only had 31 career goals in 16 career NHL seasons.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: But this was actually his third goal of that playoffs.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: So he had he actually had a little bit of a hot streak going.
13:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh the Penn dominate the North Stars the rest of the way.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: They take home their first ever cup.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh fun fact, Neil Broughton, the guy that took that really stupid penalty, four years later, he scores the Stanley Cup winning goal for the New Jersey Devils and becomes the first ever American player to register a cup winning goal.
14:10
SPEAKER_06: Wow.
14:11
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I guess Alf isn't from America.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: No.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: He was not.
14:18
SPEAKER_06: Neither was Bob Ary, I don't think.
14:20
SPEAKER_00: No.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: Very few American players, especially back then.
14:23
SPEAKER_00: Or good ones at least.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, Olf Samuson.
14:28
SPEAKER_00: Again, sometimes it's always like those unlikely guys in hockey that get you those important goals.
14:34
SPEAKER_00: So those were the first time for each of the three sports teams.
14:38
SPEAKER_00: We're going to move into our second category, which, like I said, is going to be called Great Players Making Great Plays.
14:44
SPEAKER_00: And most of the guys in this category are going to be very familiar in names that pretty much everyone listening is going to recognize.
14:51
SPEAKER_00: One notable exception is going to be our first one.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: It's the 1971 World Series.
14:57
SPEAKER_00: And the guy that gets the game-winning hit here, it's Jose Pagan.
15:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh Jose Pagan played for the Pirates from 1965 to 1972.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: Never really a full-time starter, but a pretty decent hitter.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: And probably more importantly, a very versatile defensive player.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: He plays games at every position in the infield.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: He plays left field.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: He even catches a game once.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, he pretty much plays every position.
15:22
SPEAKER_06: Pretty good athlete, then, yeah.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: Pretty good athlete.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: The 1971 World Series comes down to game seven at Baltimore.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: And the two kind of remembered heroes from this game are Steve Blast, who pitches just an absolute masterpiece, and Roberto Clemente, who hits a solo home run that gives the Pirates a one-to-nothing lead.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: But the game-winning hit actually ends up coming off of the bat of Pigon.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: So what happens is in the eighth inning, he's up at the plate, Willie Stargo is on first base, and here's what happens next.
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SPEAKER_11: runner going.
15:57
SPEAKER_11: There's a fly ball.
15:58
SPEAKER_11: The deep left center retman facing them.
16:02
SPEAKER_11: Drag it down.
16:03
SPEAKER_11: Sargil is being waved around.
16:05
SPEAKER_11: Here comes the throw and Willie Sargil.
16:08
SPEAKER_11: It's cut off.
16:09
SPEAKER_11: Book Powell cut it off.
16:11
SPEAKER_11: And Stargill, who was winning on the pitch, scores all the way from first base.
16:15
SPEAKER_11: And Pagan has a double.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: Boog Powell for the Orios makes a really curious decision there.
16:22
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I don't know if he they might have got him at home.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: I they would have at least had a chance.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: So what happens is again, you obviously you're listening to this, not seeing it, but Bagon hits a ball over the center fielder's head.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: It hits the wall, the center fielder picks it up, he he throws it uh to the infield.
16:42
SPEAKER_00: There's a relay guy, like the second baseman of the shortstop, he throws it to home plate, where Stargil is charging home plate, and Boog Powell for the Orioles is standing in front of home plate and he cuts off the throw kind of inexplicably.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: Like there was no reason to do that.
16:56
SPEAKER_06: Well, I mean, what was what's his name gonna end up with third?
17:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess that's what he was worried about.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: Like he didn't want him to get a triple out of it.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: But but it's like Starjil probably makes it anyway, but the fact that like why did he cut that off?
17:11
SPEAKER_00: I I just seems like an odd decision for for a guy that was a really good player for the Orioles, too.
17:16
SPEAKER_06: Well, why was he cutting that?
17:18
SPEAKER_06: Where was he coming from to cut that off then?
17:20
SPEAKER_06: Jeez.
17:20
SPEAKER_00: He was the first baseman.
17:22
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: So he was coming from first base, I guess.
17:25
SPEAKER_06: All the way, wow.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:27
SPEAKER_06: But that ball was hitting the like left center.
17:30
SPEAKER_06: I mean, right, jeez.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: Right.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: So I I mean that's one of those what-ifs, like you'll never know could they have actually nailed Stargil with the plate there.
17:37
SPEAKER_06: But uh it is It's not like Willie Stargil's I mean, this is he's obviously a lot younger back then, but it's not like he's the fastest guy in the world either.
17:46
SPEAKER_06: Right.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: And he's coming all the way from first base, so that was a long way to run.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh that ends up being a big deal.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: It gives the Pirates a two to nothing lead.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: It's a big deal because in the bottom of that same inning, the eighth, the Orioles get a run to make it two to one.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: So if if Stardles doesn't score there, Pagan doesn't get that double, then that game goes into extra innings, and then who knows what happens.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: So that ends up being the game-winning hit.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: Jose Pagan.
18:14
SPEAKER_00: Not not a household name.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: Not a household name.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: Jose Pagan, sadly, no longer with us.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: He uh he passed away from Alzheimer's disease a few years ago.
18:26
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, his moment.
18:27
SPEAKER_06: We'll never forget his moment, that's for sure.
18:29
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18:30
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
18:31
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19:26
SPEAKER_00: So um that was 1971.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: In nineteen seventy-nine, the Pirates are again playing the Orioles, and they're again in game seven and again in Baltimore.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: And instead of winning one and nothing, this time the Pirates are trailing one to nothing in the sixth inning.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: And you know, the sixth inning, that means they're they're kind of starting to run out of chances here to come back.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: Like at that point, you can start counting how many outs you have left.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh so they need to get something going.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: Bill Robinson is on first base, and at the plate is that guy that had scored the run in 1971.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: It's Willie Stargall.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna play what happens next.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: And Steve, see if you recognize the announcer here.
20:07
SPEAKER_06: I know who this is because he was totally in the tank for Baltimore here.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: He really was.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: Well, let's hear it.
20:15
SPEAKER_04: Baltimore on top, one to nothing to Willie Scargel.
20:18
SPEAKER_04: Hit well, right field.
20:21
SPEAKER_04: Singleton to the wall, and this ball is gone.
20:24
SPEAKER_04: Willie Scargel, the big man.
20:28
SPEAKER_04: Seven times he had come to the plate in this series with runners in scoring position and failed.
20:35
SPEAKER_04: But suddenly, as we said, this would be a testing inning for the young Southmore.
20:39
SPEAKER_04: Suddenly, with one swing in the race in the wake of Robinson's bad hop single, turns it around.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: That's Howard Costell.
20:48
SPEAKER_06: I don't think I would have liked Howard Costell if I would have been like alive and cognizant in 1970.
20:54
SPEAKER_06: Well, I was alive, but I was like three years old.
20:56
SPEAKER_06: So maybe I went from my crib, I was like, boo, Howard Costell.
21:01
SPEAKER_06: He I don't know, he just rubbed people the wrong way.
21:04
SPEAKER_06: I was gonna say, Steve, to be fair, I think a lot of people didn't like Howard Costell, so well, it's just like it was that smug, like, if it isn't from New York, I don't like it kind of attitude.
21:14
SPEAKER_06: Right.
21:15
SPEAKER_06: And like if you watched, I've watched the replay of that game, like he just uh like put on your Baltimore Orioles cap, dude.
21:22
SPEAKER_06: It's like it's like, yes.
21:24
SPEAKER_06: He's like, I guess they had like some guy that was like leading cheers in the crowd, and he's like, oh, even he can't summon, you know.
21:31
SPEAKER_06: He's like talking about how wonderful this guy is and stuff like for Baltimore.
21:35
SPEAKER_06: It's like, who cares?
21:36
SPEAKER_06: It's I don't know.
21:38
SPEAKER_06: I don't I don't get the fascinating I mean I do agree with Howard Costell on some things.
21:43
SPEAKER_06: Like he did predict how like you know how like there's no media anymore, like journalism, it's all just like ex like athletes.
21:51
SPEAKER_06: He used to call it the jock occursy, right?
21:53
SPEAKER_06: And that that's basically what happened.
21:55
SPEAKER_06: Like you there's no like honest like people that went to journalism school and actually know how to.
22:00
SPEAKER_06: Report.
22:00
SPEAKER_06: It's just like, yes, I played quarterback for the New York Giants, so now I am a media member.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm on ESPN screaming at some other guy that played quarterback all day.
22:11
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that that's at a major city, yes.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: So so that home run by Stargle, uh the Pirates do get two more insurance runs and they win the game four to one uh for the World Series title and probably you know their final ever moment of glory in our lifetimes and beyond.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: So there's that.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh but that you know, because that that again they were down one to nothing at the time, that ends up being the uh the game winner.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: Starjo, of course, an absolute beast that year, hit a home run when it mattered most.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: That's really the mark of an all-time great, right?
22:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's what you want those guys to do in those moments.
22:50
SPEAKER_06: I love the windmill wind up.
22:52
SPEAKER_06: Like we go up to bat.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
22:55
SPEAKER_06: I always like would pretend to be Willie Starjoil in my backyard when I play with a ball.
22:59
SPEAKER_06: I love Willie.
23:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
23:00
SPEAKER_06: He struck out a lot.
23:01
SPEAKER_06: When he retired, I think he had retired all-time strikeout leader, and he wasn't a pitcher, so that was bad.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he swung for the fences a lot, and again, that's what they needed in that moment.
23:13
SPEAKER_06: So I think A Rod is the current.
23:16
SPEAKER_06: It's either him or uh Mr.
23:18
SPEAKER_06: October or Reggie Jackson.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, struck out a lot.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, the the stats like that are always misleading because you have to play those some of those guys played forever.
23:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, Arod played for a thousand years.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: So did Stargil, so did Reggie.
23:32
SPEAKER_06: I think uh was Stargle like they picked him up like like early sixties, I think.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I want to say like sixty-three or sixty-two was his rookie year.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: And then he played until the until eighty-three.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, again, he played he played uh I believe he still holds the all-time record for don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure he holds the the all-time record for most seasons in a Pittsburgh uniform.
23:54
SPEAKER_06: Wow.
23:55
SPEAKER_00: So how many does Crosby have?
23:57
SPEAKER_00: Crosby's catching them.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Crosby's Crosby's right on his tail.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: And then Malkin and Latang are right behind Crosby, so and still going as of the time of this recording.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go back to the Steelers.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh Super Bowl 10.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: The Steelers are clinging to a 15-10 lead in the fourth quarter.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: They've got the ball in their own territory, and they could really use a big play from one of their playmakers.
24:26
SPEAKER_13: It is third down.
24:28
SPEAKER_13: Four and a half yards to go for the Steelers.
24:32
SPEAKER_13: He wants the throw.
24:33
SPEAKER_13: Now he fires for the bomb.
24:35
SPEAKER_13: And Lin Swan going for it.
24:37
SPEAKER_13: Swan pulls it in.
24:38
SPEAKER_13: Fresh touchdown.
24:39
SPEAKER_13: Lin Swan beat his pad by the bomb.
24:42
SPEAKER_13: Swan got a step beyond Mark Washington, who's been on him all afternoon.
24:47
SPEAKER_13: Sixty four yard pass, and Bradshaw was hurt on the play.
24:52
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, Bradshaw didn't that was his last play of that game, wasn't it?
24:57
SPEAKER_00: It was.
24:57
SPEAKER_06: I don't think Terry remembered.
24:59
SPEAKER_06: Like, I think I've heard interview, he doesn't remember that game.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he that was a direct that was a helmet to helmet.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: That's that would have been super illegal.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: That would have been a 15-yard penalty tack onto that touchdown today, but back then it was just Hoham.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, Lynn Swan, we we talked in our last episode about the um we did like amazing plays, and and Swan had that circus sleeping catch in the same game.
25:24
SPEAKER_06: The levitating leap.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: Levitating leap, thanks.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: So two of them, yeah.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he Swan's the MVP of this game.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and that was a 64-yard bomb.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: So so clutch.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Dallas does get a late touchdown, which is why that ended up being the game winner.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's a there's a great like old Saturday Night Live skit about moments in gambling history.
25:46
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Yes, you remember that, yeah.
25:48
SPEAKER_06: The backdoor cover.
25:50
SPEAKER_06: It's a backdoor cover.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: Dallas covers the spread.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: So the the final ends up being uh uh 20 21 to 17.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: And it it here's here's a fun fact, Steve.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: So Dallas gets that late touchdown, and they're still within one score.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: They don't have much of a chance, but they they have to do an onside kick.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh so they do an onside kick.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Fortunately, the Steelers recover it.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: Guess who recovers the onside kick for Pittsburgh?
26:19
SPEAKER_06: Oh, man, I should remember this.
26:21
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
26:21
SPEAKER_06: John Bannzac, I don't know.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: It's Moon Mullins again.
26:25
SPEAKER_06: Moon Mullins, wow, showing up all over the place.
26:27
SPEAKER_06: Man's clutch.
26:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
26:29
SPEAKER_06: Why would you have a guard on an onside team?
26:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: I have no idea, but he got it.
26:34
SPEAKER_06: He's on the hands team, too.
26:35
SPEAKER_06: He's on the hands team.
26:36
SPEAKER_06: He got the ball.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Who's else?
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Like Roy Jarella out there on the hands team?
26:46
SPEAKER_00: Bobby Walden put the punter out there.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, let's uh let's fast forward three years to Super Bowl 13.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: And once again, it's Steelers versus Cowboys, and once again, it's Lin Swan with a game-winning score in the fourth quarter.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: So what's happened here is the Steelers score a touchdown, and then they kick off back to the Cowboys, and uh Randy White, who um who was wearing a cast, and which may or may not have influenced this play.
27:16
SPEAKER_06: Well, according to John Facenda, it totally did.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: He uh he tries to field this kickoff, he fumbles.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: The Steelers recover, so they've just scored, they've just recovered the the ensuing kickoff fumble, and now they decide they're gonna go for the kill.
27:34
SPEAKER_11: He's gonna throw.
27:36
SPEAKER_11: He heaves a swan touchdown.
27:40
SPEAKER_11: Lynn Swan touchdown.
27:43
SPEAKER_11: Man, I thought what an after back.
27:46
SPEAKER_11: It looked like one of the great catches of all time.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Bradshaw hits Swan in the back of the end zone.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: He makes a another leaping catch.
27:55
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
27:55
SPEAKER_06: That's the circus catch one.
27:57
unknown: Yeah.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: So just, you know, Lin Swan being Lin Swan.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: That uh that makes the score 35 to 17.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: But Dallas gets two late touchdowns.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and they weren't really garbage time touchdowns.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Those were actually like almost really got them right back into the game touchdowns.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh so that that play ends up being the game winner.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh Lin Swan, see the only guy that makes this list twice.
28:20
SPEAKER_06: Nice.
28:22
SPEAKER_06: He had two game winners in the Super Bowl.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: He had two game winners in the Super Bowl.
28:29
SPEAKER_06: Good for him.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: Let's uh let's go to we talked about the 1991 Penguins.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the year after that.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: The 1992 Stanley Cup finals.
28:38
SPEAKER_00: The Penguins are in Chicago attempting to sweep the Blackhawks.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: And in this game, the Chicago kind of had their backs against the wall, and this game ends up turning into a shootout.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: The Penguins in the third period have just taken a five-four lead.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: But the way this game is going, they know they're going to need more than just a one-goal lead.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: So in steps a Hall of Famer to make a Hall of Fame play.
29:02
SPEAKER_14: The go-ahead goal here with this hockey game in the third period by Larry Murphy.
29:06
SPEAKER_14: Here's Francis back now with McCarron two-on-one.
29:07
SPEAKER_14: Francis comes in.
29:08
SPEAKER_14: Go to Ronnie Francis beats goaltender Hosik like a Randy Mule.
29:14
SPEAKER_14: He looked up and beat him on the short side, I believe.
29:16
SPEAKER_14: And the Penguins now lead 6-4.
29:20
SPEAKER_06: That was a really impressive goal.
29:22
SPEAKER_06: And he beat a really good goaltender, too.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dominic Hoshek.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: Ronnie franchise.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: Just you know, again, great players making great plays.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: And Jeremy Roenick scores moments later to make it six to five.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: And that ends up being the final.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: So that Francis goal is the one that wins it.
29:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and and uh Hosik kind of kept them in that game too, because it the Penguins had a lot of chances.
29:49
SPEAKER_06: Like the the Blackhawks just kind of stopped playing defense.
29:53
SPEAKER_06: They were like, okay, let's shoot it out with them, and that was probably a poor decision on their part.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think they were again, they were kind of almost dead in the water at that point, and I think they were just trying to eke out another game, and that doesn't happen.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh Ron Francis, you know, I think you talk about like the all-time greatest penguins, and it's usually that conversation is like Lemieux Crosby, Malkin, Yager.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh Ron Francis still at the time of this recording, Steve, is top five all-time in points, not in penguin history, in NHL history.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: He's in the top five.
30:31
SPEAKER_06: But he didn't play his whole career here, and I think that's yeah, yeah.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
30:36
SPEAKER_06: I mean, that's that's he played a lot in Hartford.
30:39
SPEAKER_06: He played who did he play with after us?
30:41
SPEAKER_06: Carolina.
30:42
SPEAKER_06: Carolina, that's what I thought.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: So which was the same team as the Hartford Whalers.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: So um, but man, that trade to get he just went and played for Hartford twice.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, it's funny too, that that trade that is often remembered that got Ron Francis and off Samickson, those two guys made the, you know, had the two game cup winning goals.
31:03
SPEAKER_06: Heck of a trade by Craig Patrick.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: It was.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: It sure was.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's uh talk about the 2005 Steelers season, which we did a whole episode on.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: It's a dream season for the Steelers.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: They go from just being completely dead to being the number six seed in the playoffs to making it all the way to Super Bowl 40.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: That game is in Detroit, and the big story, of course, for that game, it's Jerome Bettis, the Hall of Fame, all-time beloved running back.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna get a ring in his final ever game in his hometown.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, this is the stuff they write movie scripts about.
31:40
SPEAKER_06: And the Lions have never won a Super Bowl, so Detroit like kind of adopts the Steelers, yeah.
31:45
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Great stuff.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, like we said, we did a whole couple episodes about that season, then a whole episode just on that game.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but what some fans may forget is the fact that Bettis is essentially at this point in his career, is is mostly a backup or like a spot duty goal line running back.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: And the feature running back that year is a guy named Willie Parker.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: And people called him fast Willie Parker because he ran really fast.
32:15
SPEAKER_06: Amazing.
32:17
SPEAKER_06: What a brilliant observation on.
32:20
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: We were always good at nicknames back then, you know.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: Tried to be very appropriate.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh here in Super Bowl 40, though, no one's really running fast.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: Both offenses look like trash in the first half.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: The Seahores have a very slim 7-3 lead as the third quarter opens, but they're way backed up in their own end when this happens.
32:44
SPEAKER_03: And they hand it to Willie Parker.
32:46
SPEAKER_03: Finds a lane he's on his way.
32:47
SPEAKER_03: Looking up 50.
32:49
SPEAKER_03: Willie Parker 40, 70, 40, 10, 50, Willie Pickdown.
32:56
SPEAKER_03: Willie Parker, 75 minutes, and this place is a Steeler Lady Tabin.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: So the play call there is 34 counterpike.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: And it's maybe the best example of a total team effort in Steelers' history.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: So they they've been setting this up the entire first half with these little dink and dunk passes to Antoine Randall.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: And Seattle finally gets tired of getting beaten by that.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: So they slide linebacker Leroy Hill over to kind of guard that part of the field.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: And Ben Rothesberger, who, you know, we've said this on this show before, how there's kind of like this false narrative that the Steelers won that Super Bowl in spite of Ben because he had made some mistakes in that game, but it's really not true.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh Ben sees that this happens and he actually checks into 34 counter Pike.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: If you watch that play, he makes an audible.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: But the biggest key on the play is left guard Alan Fannica.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: And remember, this was a play that they ran to the right, so you wouldn't expect the left guard to make the key block here.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: But Fanica pulls and he absolutely destroys Leroy Hill and he kind of takes out safety Michael Bulware at the same time.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: And Parker then outruns the defense for a 75-yard touchdown.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: It remains the longest touchdown run in Super Bowl history.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: It's Alan Fannica's signature moment.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: He's a Hall of Famer.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, his speed, his agility, his ability to pull like that.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's it's really all encapsulated in that one play.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: And I think, Steve, that play really had everything, right?
34:35
SPEAKER_00: It was like great coaching to set it up all game, the quarterback knowing when to audible, the Hall of Fame lineman making a brilliant block, and then the running back with this world-class speed smoking what was a very good Seahawks defense.
34:51
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I mean I never thought of it that way, but that's that's a great way of putting it.
34:55
SPEAKER_06: Like it really a lot of things came together and worked, and when it works, it works.
35:01
SPEAKER_06: And um, I mean, I know they had been setting that up kind of the whole game, and I guess Seattle finally plus Seattle I think had a backup safety in.
35:10
SPEAKER_06: I know one of their starting safeties had gotten hurt, so that that helped the Steelers' cause there.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the the other safety uh kind of took a not a great angle on Parker when he when he got through the line, and that's why Parker was I mean, Parker was really fast, but that helped.
35:27
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it might he might have been able to hold him like a 20-yard gain or something, but once it he just yeah, Parker just outran him at that point.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: It it was really unbelievable because the offense for the Steelers had done nothing the whole game up to that point, and the only reason they had a touchdown was because Ben had thrown that like kind of a miracle backyard runaround play on like third and twenty-eight.
35:54
SPEAKER_06: Well, then the option, they kind of ran the option and he dove maybe made the end zone, maybe he didn't.
36:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: So it and then that was what I remember was the first play of the second half, they tried to throw like a 10-yard out to Heinz Ward, and and it was incomplete, and Ben threw it too short.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: So you're just like, okay, here we go.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna go three and out again.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: And then at second and ten, and being a Steelberg fan for all the years that I'd been a Steelberg fan and all the years that Bill Cower had been the coach, I could have told you it it's it's like a guarantee that they're gonna run the ball here, right?
36:32
SPEAKER_00: Like they just threw an incomplete pass on first down, they're gonna hand off on second down to make it second and six, or whatever they can get to make it or to make it third and you know, third manageable.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh that was the most obvious to me that to me at least, that was the most obvious running play in the world.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: And and you would have never expected that to be a 75-yard touchdown.
36:53
SPEAKER_06: Well, Seattle apparently didn't.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: So well, Seattle played just an awful, awful game.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but it was all the ref's fault.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: So that's uh here's a fun fact 34-counter pike uh ends up being a staple in the Steelers offense for years to come.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Dwyer, I don't see do you remember Jonathan Dwyer running back?
37:18
SPEAKER_06: No, not at all.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: Well, he was a running back for the Steelers.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh six years later, he he has a 76-yard run against the Tennessee Titans on 34-counter pike.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: With and remember at that point, different head coach, different offensive coordinator, and they're still running 34-counter pike.
37:34
SPEAKER_06: So keep that play in the playbook.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: Keep that play in the playbook.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you have a guard like Alan Fanica, it usually helps probably more than than uh if you have a just an average guard.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: All right, the uh the 2005 Steor season was a magical one.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: You know what else was magical was the 2009 Penguin season.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: It's also another one we did an entire episode on.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: Another amazing story how the Penguins lost to the Red Wings in 2008, then get a chance for redemption in 2009, even after Hall of Famer Marion Hosa has switched sides.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: And this time it all comes down to Game 7 in Detroit for all the marbles, as Mike Lang famously stated.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: And in that game, in the first period, the Penguins get a goal from Max Talbot.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: And then in the second period, the Penguins get a goal from the Penguins.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: Wants Kennedy to take possession.
38:28
SPEAKER_01: He'll go to Skideri.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: Got bumped on the boards by Draper.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: Buck three though off the near side.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: Here comes Talbot back again with Kennedy over the right side.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: Talbot shoots.
38:37
SPEAKER_15: He scores.
38:37
SPEAKER_15: Max Talbot beats Gold Tender Osgood like a rented mule.
38:42
SPEAKER_15: And the Penguins take a 2 0 lead.
38:45
SPEAKER_15: Talbot is second.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Yep, back to it.
38:51
SPEAKER_06: The penguins went on like a 39-minute power play kill, penity kill for the rest of the game.
38:56
SPEAKER_06: I swear.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: That's certainly what it felt like.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: I I in all the years I've watched sports, Steve, I can't think of a time when I've been more like nervous than the last, like you said, period and a half of that game.
39:13
SPEAKER_06: It's uh they just didn't stop playing offense.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was, you're right.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: It was that's a great way to describe it.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: It was a 30, it was like a 32-minute penalty kill at that point.
39:25
SPEAKER_00: And and Detroit does get one goal.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, Talbot had both goals, so I mean he would have had the game-winning goal either way, but because Detroit got that one goal in the third period, uh, that second goal, the one we just played, it ends up being the game winner.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but yeah, that was the most nerve-wracking.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: I I probably lost a good five or ten years off my life just from watching that game seven, but it was worth it because uh, as we all know, the the game comes down to the final seconds.
39:54
SPEAKER_00: Michael Andre Fleury makes an all-time great save, and the Penguins win the Stanley Cup.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and again, unlikely hero Max Talbot gets the goal.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, uh Chris Osgood was a pretty good goaltender, but he he he did not take a good angle on that play.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: It was a two-on-one, and he tried to cheat a little bit too much to the one side.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: He thought he was gonna pass.
40:19
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: He thought he was gonna pass.
40:21
SPEAKER_00: And if you freeze frame it, he's really out of position when Talbot shoots the puck, and that's why it goes by him.
40:27
SPEAKER_00: So a mistake on his part, but again, it it's like a soccer goal.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you just have to guess because you know, because if Talbot does pass and you're and you're cheating over to Talbot's side, then that the whoever he would have passed to would have beat him.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: So that's the uh the championship winning goal of that season.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh and then the last entry in this great players making great plays category is the 2016 Stanley Cup Finals.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: The Penguins are playing the Sharks in San Jose in game six of the Stanley Cup Finals.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: They had a one-to-nothing lead in the second period, but the Sharks have just tied it up.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: And so it's kind of a deflating moment for Matt Murray, the Penguins goaltender, who really had been stellar up to that point.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: And the San Jose fans are also now ramped up.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was Game Six.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: They were trying to win that game, descended to a game seven back in Pittsburgh.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh the fans, you know, are so excited because now it's one-to-one.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: Now we've got we've got all the momentum, right?
41:30
SPEAKER_00: If you're a Sharks fan.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: And and just really not very long later, just a few minutes later, the the Penguins answer.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: And once again, a Hall of Fame player stepping up to make a Hall of Fame play.
41:44
SPEAKER_15: Turning back with the butt, going to the goal line, goes behind the net, throwing in front for Conquest.
41:48
SPEAKER_15: Can't get a closey vote of Latinx on the score! Martin Jones on the setup from Crossby.
41:56
SPEAKER_15: And the Penguins take the lead to the lawn.
42:00
SPEAKER_15: Get that dog off my lawn.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: It's a really great goal by Letang.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he pretty much has like no angle there, Steve.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: And he still manages to bank it off the pads of Martin Jones, the San Jose goaltender.
42:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, who had uh who had the empty netter here?
42:17
SPEAKER_06: Didn't somebody have an empty netter later was that?
42:20
SPEAKER_00: It was Hornquist.
42:23
SPEAKER_06: Or was it uh Haglett?
42:25
SPEAKER_00: It was Haglund the the year after that against Nashville.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
42:28
SPEAKER_06: Okay, yeah, so it was Hornquest.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: And it was Hornquist, I believe.
42:32
SPEAKER_06: And this is after like game five.
42:34
SPEAKER_06: We'd lost game five.
42:36
SPEAKER_06: That was like that epic game five where we thought we were finally going to see a championship in Pittsburgh in our lifetime.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: Right.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
42:44
SPEAKER_06: I know we're so spoiled we want one to happen here.
42:46
SPEAKER_06: But yeah, that's as close as anybody's come since another championship that'll be on this list, I'm sure, later.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: But the the the fun the I will say, Steve, we were just talking about the Red Wings game.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: If you could if you compare that to this game, when Letang scores that goal, there's about 12 minutes left in the second period, which is right around the same time Talbot scored his second goal.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: But I don't remember really being like on the edge of my seat terrified.
43:15
SPEAKER_06: No, because they they they were better.
43:18
SPEAKER_06: They they like possessed the puck down and the sharks end and stuff, and they didn't get the sharks can get very many chances.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: I I think I don't I don't have this in front of me, so I'm just going off memory.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: But I I think San Jose only had something like two shots on net the entire third period.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: Whereas the Red Wings were like you said, it was like a power play.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: They were just constantly throwing things at the net, almost getting stuffed by Flurry.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh this one was much more like low drama ho hum, and then like like you said, they get an empty netter.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: The Penguins win the Stanley Cup, uh, and Latin, that goal by Latang ends up being the The cup winner.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: So let's go into our our third category, which is dramatic moments.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: These are game winning scores that you know are our either our are iconic plays or last second heroics or that kind of a thing.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: And we're going to start with Super Bowl 14 between the Steelers and the Rams.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: We recently did an entire episode on this game.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: So please go back and listen to that.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: So much context and drama and things that you didn't realize how interesting that game was.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: I think I didn't, at least, until we did the episode on it.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: But uh it's a really close game, and the Steelers are actually losing in the fourth quarter, and they have third and eight from their own 27-yard line.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, at that point, you really don't want to punt it back to the Rams.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: You're already losing, you're running out of time to make a comeback.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: And so Terry Bradshaw dials up a play called 60 Prevent, slot hook and go.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: It's a play that the Steelers have never run before in a live game, and it's a play that they run eight times in practice that week and have never once completed.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: So let's see what happens when they run it here in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl.
45:12
SPEAKER_12: And Bradshaw dropping back.
45:15
SPEAKER_12: Bradshaw pumping, firing downfield.
45:17
SPEAKER_12: There goes Stalworth.
45:18
SPEAKER_12: He pulls it in by the 30, the 30, the five, and it's a touchdown for Pittsburgh on the ball to Stalworth.
45:26
SPEAKER_12: And Stallworth beat Rob Perry.
45:29
SPEAKER_12: Oh, did he beat him?
45:30
SPEAKER_12: And the Steelers fire right back on the arm of Perry Bradshaw.
45:35
SPEAKER_12: 73 yards.
45:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think, Steve, what did you say in that episode?
45:40
SPEAKER_00: Bradshaw has ADD because there's no way you should call that play at that moment.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: But he's just like, ah, heck, let's start with Steve a bomb for Stalworth.
45:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:51
SPEAKER_00: And uh he makes a great throw, Stallworth makes a great catch.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: And it gives the Steelers a game-winning score, and it becomes one of the most iconic plays in team history, which is saying a lot for the Steelers because they have a lot of really good candidates for that category of iconic plays.
46:09
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, hey, you know what?
46:12
SPEAKER_06: Whatever it was, Terry was a stroke of genius on his part.
46:15
SPEAKER_06: And remember, he called his own plays back then, so he didn't really have an offensive coordinator.
46:22
SPEAKER_06: I mean, I guess that position wouldn't start till Tom Moore many years later.
46:26
SPEAKER_06: Right.
46:27
SPEAKER_06: So uh good for Terry and uh Stalworth, always a hall another Hall of Famer.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: All right.
46:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, we talked about the Steelers beating the Minnesota Vikings in the Super Bowl and the Penguins beating the Minnesota North Stars in the Steeling Cup finals.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about when the Pirates beat the team that would become the Minnesota Twins in the World Series.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: That would be the 1925 World Series between the Pirates and the Washington Senators, who are now the Twins.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: And it all comes down to game seven at Forbes Field.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh we we did an entire episode on this team, too, so go back and listen to that if you're interested.
47:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh Steve did a really good job researching and fleshing out that season.
47:10
SPEAKER_06: Kind of a you know, one of those things that uh This hit has a controversy too.
47:15
SPEAKER_06: I remember that.
47:16
SPEAKER_06: I went over it.
47:17
SPEAKER_06: Because this game's played in a rainstorm.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:21
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: So so just to summarize, uh the Pirates have clawed their way back from a three to one deficit in the series, but now in game seven they have to face the big train, Walter Johnson.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, this was a hundred years ago, so people might not really be familiar with Walter Johnson, but he's arguably the greatest pitcher of all time.
47:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Steve, he's gotta like be top five, right?
47:45
SPEAKER_06: I think I think I went over that episode.
47:47
SPEAKER_06: Like they said he probably threw over 90 miles an hour back in 1925.
47:51
SPEAKER_06: So Yeah.
47:53
SPEAKER_06: Because like they took him to like how they measure like bullet speed with like a chronograph and had him throw through the thing, and it was like, oh, that's pretty fast.
48:01
SPEAKER_06: Did some math and that's that's they didn't have radar guns back then.
48:06
SPEAKER_06: They didn't have 1925 they didn't have a radar.
48:10
SPEAKER_00: So well, and and and you could cite a lot of stats.
48:14
SPEAKER_00: I think he's got over 400 wins, which you know, other than Cy Young, nobody else can say that.
48:19
SPEAKER_00: But but throw the stats away.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: Here's here's one thing that's really impressive about Walter Johnson.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Ty Cobb admitted to literally being afraid of Walter Johnson.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: And I'm pretty sure Ty Cobb wasn't afraid of anybody or anything.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: And he said that when he got up to the bat against up to the plate against Walter Johnson, it was scary.
48:39
SPEAKER_00: So this game seven, uh Steve said, it's it's crazy.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: It's raining, it's muddy, it's a back and forth game.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's some controversial calls.
48:49
SPEAKER_00: Washington has the lead in the bottom of the eighth inning with Johnson pitching.
48:53
SPEAKER_00: So bottom of the eighth inning, and they have the lead, uh you're down to your final five or six outs at that point.
49:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and and when you have you know this legend on the mound, that lead seems pretty safe.
49:06
SPEAKER_00: In fact, a bunch of fans at Forbes Field start heading towards the exit because even 100 years ago, Pittsburghers still needed to beat the traffic.
49:14
SPEAKER_06: They needed to beat the traffic to the streetcar.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: Pretty much.
49:18
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh the Pirates rally, though, to tie it, and then Kiki Kyler comes to the plate with the bases loaded.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: Johnson actually gets ahead in the count, and Kyler's down to his final strike, but he rips a hit down the right field line.
49:32
SPEAKER_00: The ball goes into the bullpen for a ground rule double, and it gives the Pirates a two-run lead.
49:38
SPEAKER_00: They then retire all three senator batters in the top of the ninth, and the Pirates are world champions 1925.
49:47
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and the the little the right fielder said I think that's the one where the right fielder said that ball, he thought it bounced foul.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
49:54
SPEAKER_06: They couldn't really see the fair foul lines because the rain.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: The rain and the mine.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: And Steve, I I don't know if you know the answer to this, but had they outlawed the spitball at that point?
50:06
SPEAKER_00: Because remember it late in the games.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: So late in the games back then, the ball wasn't white anymore.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: It was brown.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: Remember?
50:14
SPEAKER_06: No, wait a minute.
50:15
SPEAKER_06: When did when did Ruth come into the league?
50:17
SPEAKER_06: They might have but then there was guys that were like grandfathered in because one of their pitchers was still allowed to throw spitballs.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
50:26
SPEAKER_06: But like I think it was illegal, but it was like still like if you were had been before that, you were still allowed to throw spitballs.
50:36
SPEAKER_06: That's crazy.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: A few years before this, there was a guy for the Cleveland Indians.
50:42
SPEAKER_06: Um he got hit in the head by a spitball, and they that's why they outlawed it.
50:47
SPEAKER_06: Correct.
50:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what happened.
50:49
SPEAKER_06: And like you said, they would they would take the ball and dirty it up and mash it up, and but that was more like 1910s.
50:56
SPEAKER_06: But I think when when Babe Ruth came around and like they needed like put butts in the seats, you know, get people in the stands.
51:03
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
51:03
SPEAKER_06: They like people like you know, chicks dig the long ball.
51:06
SPEAKER_06: So you know even in the 1920s they did.
51:10
SPEAKER_00: So so you so what could what could have happened on that play is the ball wasn't really white, it was kind of muddy.
51:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:18
SPEAKER_00: And and they weren't using like a tons of tons of different balls like they do now.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: They probably had one or two game balls.
51:24
SPEAKER_00: So so that that could have influenced, you know, whether the or not the umpire saw it go foul or not, but hey, whatever.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: Pirates.
51:32
SPEAKER_06: They tried to go to the movie tone news replay, but yeah, right.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: Right.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: Not not quite uh enough clarity to make the right call there.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh the New York Times says in their write-up of the game, quote, no World Series has ever come to the sensational climax which marked the feverish finish of today's game.
51:55
SPEAKER_00: So Kiki Kyler playing hero in the bottom of the eighth inning.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about now the 2017 Stanley Cup finals.
52:04
SPEAKER_00: The Penguins are going for their fifth cup.
52:06
SPEAKER_00: They're facing the Nashville Predators in Nashville for game six.
52:11
SPEAKER_00: Predators are facing elimination, so their backs are against the wall.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: They're playing hard.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: Pecarina is the goaltender for Nashville, he's shutting out the Penguins.
52:20
SPEAKER_00: But fortunately, Matt Murray is the goaltender for the Penguins and he's shutting out the Predators.
52:25
SPEAKER_00: So it's a scoreless tie with only 95 seconds left in regulation.
52:30
SPEAKER_00: Looks like this defensive struggle is headed into sudden death overtime until this happens.
52:38
SPEAKER_10: Kunitz to the outside got it back to Schultz with a shot.
52:44
SPEAKER_10: The Penguins have scored.
52:46
SPEAKER_10: It is Hornquist.
52:49
SPEAKER_10: A bounce off the boards was shaken in.
52:53
SPEAKER_10: And Hornquest, who has not played a lot in the game, made the most of the time that time, and it's one to nothing.
53:07
SPEAKER_06: He's like, it's one to nothing.
53:10
SPEAKER_06: You know what?
53:10
SPEAKER_06: There's certain like players that you fear, like Tom Brady, Joe Montana, you know, if Pittsburgh had a basketball team, Michael Jordan, I'm sure would have been one of those people.
53:21
SPEAKER_06: Like I'm trying to think of like a hockey equivalent who would like the penguins always killed the penguins.
53:27
SPEAKER_06: Like, I don't know.
53:28
SPEAKER_06: There were other players on the opposite side of that that you knew when you were playing them you weren't really afraid of them at all.
53:35
SPEAKER_06: Like they might be good players, but you knew somehow, some way the the the Pittsburgh sports team would beat them.
53:42
SPEAKER_06: It's like the Penguins and anybody in the Washington Capitals uniform.
53:46
SPEAKER_06: Um, the Steelers apparently and Vinnie Testaverdi, like they've always had Vinny's number.
53:51
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
53:52
SPEAKER_06: And like Pekka Rene definitely falls into that category.
53:56
SPEAKER_06: He's not a bad goalie.
53:58
SPEAKER_06: He's a pretty good goalie, but for whatever reason, the Penguins have absolutely have his number, and it just doesn't matter.
54:07
SPEAKER_06: He played better at home than he did here.
54:10
SPEAKER_06: Right.
54:11
SPEAKER_06: Right.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm on and he, I mean, again, he held them scoreless for you know until there was a minute 35 left in the in the game.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: But Patrick Hornquist, who he was always so good at being like that net front presence that the Penguins had.
54:26
SPEAKER_06: It was a dirty goal, yeah.
54:27
SPEAKER_06: It like bounced off the back of the goalie.
54:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in a 0-0 game, that's the kind that's always going to be the kind of goal you're gonna get.
54:34
SPEAKER_00: You're never gonna get like a a pretty breakaway two-on-one, beautiful pass.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: In a game like that, it's gonna be a dirty goal, and that was Hornquit's specialties.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: He was standing right there, he puts in the rebound, and the Penguins win their fifth Steeling Cup.
54:50
SPEAKER_00: Alright, next on the list is Super Bowl 43, another game for the Ages, another game we did an entire episode on.
54:57
SPEAKER_00: The Stewart are playing the Cardinals, and after James Harrison and Larry Fitzgerald both make amazing plays for their respective teams, Arizona has a three-point lead in the final moments.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: But Ben Rothlessberger, as he did so many times in his career, drives the team all the way down the field, and with only 42 seconds left, this happens.
55:20
SPEAKER_03: Ben gets the snap.
55:22
SPEAKER_03: He's back.
55:22
SPEAKER_03: He pumps, he scrambles around, throws it back corner to the end zone.
55:26
SPEAKER_02: Santonio with a touchdown! Santonio home! I don't know how he did it.
55:33
SPEAKER_06: I love the touch clip.
55:34
SPEAKER_06: You ever heard the touch clip?
55:35
SPEAKER_06: He's like, what a catch, what a game.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:39
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
55:39
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: That is that is great.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, I don't know what you what else we can really say about this play, Steve.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a moment that'll be relive forever.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: It should be a statue at some point, Santonia making that catch.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: Um I I think all of us that live through that will never forget it, right?
55:59
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I just remember it happening and just like it's a catch.
56:03
SPEAKER_06: And there's still like Cardinals feeling like, oh, it wasn't a catch.
56:06
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
56:06
SPEAKER_06: He got both toes down.
56:08
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
56:10
SPEAKER_06: It's a catch.
56:11
SPEAKER_06: It's not really even close, quite honest.
56:13
SPEAKER_06: They reviewed it, but I didn't ever think it was all that close.
56:17
SPEAKER_00: No, it it it was I mean, they had to review it.
56:20
SPEAKER_00: It was too big of a thing and too close to to mess it up, but it was definitely a catch.
56:25
SPEAKER_00: Uh Santonio Holmes' career here was relatively short.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh but boy, I I don't I don't know that I could ever say that I've seen any Pittsburgh athlete in any sport more do more dominant, maybe as dominant, but not more dominant than Holmes was in that postseason.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: He just he like willed the Steelers to a Super Bowl.
56:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, and then he kind of that was kind of almost it for him.
56:52
SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: You know, he'll he'll never be forgotten because of that.
56:56
SPEAKER_06: He had that big uh he had a divisional and a championship game.
57:00
SPEAKER_06: He was both pretty good in.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, huge in both of those games.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
57:05
SPEAKER_06: Did he have a punt return in one of those?
57:07
SPEAKER_06: In the divisional, I think he had a punt return.
57:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, against the Chargers.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: He had a punt return touchdown.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: And then in the against the Ravens and Championship.
57:13
SPEAKER_06: He had a nice catch, yeah, on Ben, one of those scrambled Ben runaround plays.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: And then obviously in the Super Bowl, he's the MVP.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: So And he had a huge season, you know, that season too, but it really came alive in the playoffs.
57:29
SPEAKER_00: And it was it was kind of like him and Larry Fitzgerald trying to one up each other, and it kind of just came down to who had the ball last or who had the ball last with enough time to do anything.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: And uh and it was Santonio.
57:40
SPEAKER_06: So well, we were headed if if the Kurt Werner gets that throw off and that ball's fluttering in the end zone with Larry Fitzgerald lurking and Ike Taylor guarding him, uh that could have been ugly.
57:54
SPEAKER_00: That could have been scary, fortunately.
57:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, this play wouldn't have mean that it wouldn't mean anything.
57:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
57:59
SPEAKER_00: Was it was it Woodley that made Warner?
58:02
SPEAKER_06: It was uh yes, it was Woodley, yeah, because it was Keasel recovered it.
58:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
58:06
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: Yep, great, great game, great moment, great memory.
58:12
SPEAKER_00: Super Bowl 43.
58:14
SPEAKER_00: So um we're down to our last one, and we saved the best for last.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: The greatest and most remembered game-winning score of all sixteen Pittsburgh Pro Sports Championships.
58:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't even need to set this one up.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna play the audio.
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SPEAKER_05: Ninth inning.
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SPEAKER_05: Well, a little while ago, when we mentioned uh that this one uh in typical fashion was going right to the wire, little did we know.
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SPEAKER_05: Mark Ditbar throws.
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SPEAKER_09: Here's a swing and a high five ball going deep left.
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SPEAKER_09: That's where he does.
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SPEAKER_09: Pitch over the left field fence at Fawnsfield to win the nineteen sixty World Series for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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SPEAKER_06: What can you say?
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SPEAKER_06: It was it was amazing.
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SPEAKER_06: What a game.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Maz is in the Hall of Fame, probably uh more for that than anything else.
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SPEAKER_06: So Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's it's an amazing moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh as you said, it's an amazing game.
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SPEAKER_00: Steve Steve actually, we did a uh Steve took us through that whole game and that uh uh in a different episode.
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SPEAKER_00: It really a ton of drama that even led up to that moment.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that and the 1925, I don't I you know you don't realize how much happened in those two game sevens.
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, those are two of the like the 71 and the 79 don't have as much drama as that those two do.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, quite honestly, in my opinion, except for Howard Cowellsell being annoying.
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SPEAKER_06: I'm sure if Howard was around the 1925 or 1960 would have been absolutely unsufferable.
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SPEAKER_06: But it's always fun to watch the Ken Byrne special and watch like Billy Crystal and all the Yankees fans cry about that game.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that'd have been so sad because they never had any other moments to celebrate.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they did win like five World Series before that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: The uh 71 and 79 kind of had like those one big moments, like the the Pagan double and and the Clemeni home run in 71, and then the the Starto home run in 79.
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SPEAKER_00: But but this, like you said, this in 25, it was like a bunch of back and forth drama, and then it all kind of like led up to this one big play.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I I think in 25, wasn't there, there was a dropped pop-up or something, and then I I think in this one, uh Tony Kubik gets hit in in the throat with a on a weird play.
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SPEAKER_06: Yep.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's it it's definitely like a lot of fluky stuff happens.
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SPEAKER_00: It it is a lot of a lot of back and forth, a lot of fluky stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Um interesting too that the uh you know, all five pirate championships happened in game seven.
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SPEAKER_06: So we're we're automatic in game seven.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, and and like like we said, you know, two one that was a blowout, two that two that were close and kind of had like one or two big plays, and then the other two were just wild, insane uh affairs, but definitely the Mazarovsky home run, you know, is is probably the the signature moment in Pittsburgh sports history.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the only time ever in the history of Major League Baseball that you've had that happen where uh someone won the World Series in game seven on a walk-off home run.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh that another thing, another moment that will be relived forever.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think we yeah, and I think that's the last time a Pittsburgh a championship has been won in the city.
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SPEAKER_06: So that's correct.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's very true.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: So uh something to cheat for.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the only two teams that could do will be the Pirates and the Penguins, so unless the Steelers build that big retractable roof stadium and host the Super Bowl someday.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't see that happening, but I say if New York can host the Super Bowl, why can't us?
1:02:20
SPEAKER_06: Why can't us Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's write those emails to Roger Goodell.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm sure he's listening.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure he is.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I can't imagine why he wouldn't.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's our list.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh those are the 16 game-winning scores.
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SPEAKER_00: Hope you enjoyed that.
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SPEAKER_00: Hope we have uh more game-winning championship winning scores in the future to uh do a sequel episode on.
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