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Speaker 1: Jim. He's the Bolt Reform It.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. Breaking news that Senator just
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Speaker 2: sint and Namper Jibber Price is being dumped by opposition
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Speaker 2: leader Susan Lee.
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Speaker 3: Will get to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: The UK could face a hefty reparations bill if demands
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Speaker 2: from African leaders wanting compensation.
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Speaker 3: For slavery are met.
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Speaker 2: Rowan Dean is on the show for his take the
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Speaker 2: wretched hypocrisy of lefty politicians laid bare in the United
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Speaker 2: States as reports find a prominent Democrat politician splashing cash
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Speaker 2: on fancy hotels while preaching against the rich.
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Speaker 3: Sean Spice will join me and Elon Musk worries what.
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Speaker 2: If Christianity disappears from the West, Maybe whatever replaces it
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Speaker 2: will be hell on Earth. We'll get to that with
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Speaker 2: my panel a little later, but first let's start with
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Speaker 2: that breaking news that opposition leader Susan Lee has sensationally
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Speaker 2: dumped Senator just Inter Nampa jimper Price over her controversial
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Speaker 2: migration remarks. Here's what Susan Lee said in the last
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Speaker 2: few minutes at a press conference in.
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Speaker 4: Hobart, Senator just internampajmper Price has failed a test of
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Speaker 4: high standard that I have set for members of my
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Speaker 4: shadow ministry. Several days ago, Senator Namba Jinperprice made comments
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Speaker 4: that were deeply hurtful to Indian Australians. The comments were
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Speaker 4: wrong and should not have been made. And despite being
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Speaker 4: given the time and space to apologize, Senator just internampajmper
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Speaker 4: Price did not offer an apology.
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Speaker 3: Today.
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Speaker 4: Today, Senator just Internapagenperprise critically failed to provide confidence in
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Speaker 4: my leadership of the Liberal Party. Confidence in the leader
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Speaker 4: is a requirement for serving in the Shadow ministry.
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Speaker 3: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: That was Susan Lee joining me to discuss is former
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Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Holly, thanks for coming on the
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Speaker 2: program tonight.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of all this?
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I.
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Speaker 6: Think Susan has done the right thing and I'll tell
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Speaker 6: you why for a number of reasons.
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Speaker 5: And James, you know me, I was done over in
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Speaker 5: pre selection.
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Speaker 6: I stayed as a member of the shadow ministerial team
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Speaker 6: for fifteen months and I can tell you there were
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Speaker 6: some fecal sandwiches in that.
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Speaker 5: But if you want to be part of the shadow
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Speaker 5: ministerial team.
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Speaker 6: You need to make sure that you're able to demonstrate unity,
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Speaker 6: discipline and respect, and unfortunately that is not what we've seen.
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Speaker 5: Over the past couple of days.
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Speaker 6: Just since you could have apologized for those comments and
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Speaker 6: everyone have moved on. Like you and so many of
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Speaker 6: our viewers, we want to see an opposition that takes
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Speaker 6: it up to the Labor Party. And the reality is
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Speaker 6: last week that the Coalition actually had a pretty good
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Speaker 6: week in Parliament. They actually forced the Labor Party to
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Speaker 6: make significant changes to the age care home care packages. Now,
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Speaker 6: there'd be a lot of our viewers, your viewers, my
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Speaker 6: viewers out there who have family members that require these
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Speaker 6: home care packages, and the opposition had a pretty good
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Speaker 6: week enforcing the Labor Party to take action. Unfortunately, no
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Speaker 6: one's talking about that, and you know, the Indian Community.
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Speaker 2: College just just sorry, Holly, just to interrupt you. It's true,
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Speaker 2: no one's talking about any of that. They're all talking
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Speaker 2: about just center price. But you've had liberal that's true.
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Speaker 2: But you've had liberal MPs out day after day apologizing
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Speaker 2: on her behalf, telling her that she must apologize. Has
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Speaker 2: she been the one who's lacked discipline or have members
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Speaker 2: of the litbook team attacking her in public been the
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Speaker 2: ones of.
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Speaker 6: Let absolutely Jacinta's laps discipline and you know I say this,
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Speaker 6: I love Jacinta.
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Speaker 5: I just sint to was my one.
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Speaker 6: Door down neighbor in Parliament and there was you know,
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Speaker 6: as the girls out there would know, there's more than
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Speaker 6: one time you need someone to come and zip your
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Speaker 6: dress up or something else when staff wor or someone
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Speaker 6: else wasn't around. So look, I love Jacinta, but the
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Speaker 6: reality is there have been some missteps. She did the
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Speaker 6: most fantastic job on the Voice, but in the lead
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Speaker 6: up to the Queensland state election we saw her.
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Speaker 5: Bring up the issue of abortion. During the federal.
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Speaker 6: Campaign, we saw her out there in the market cap
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Speaker 6: which caused Darton.
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Speaker 5: A series of issues.
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Speaker 6: We have a by election in New South Wales at
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Speaker 6: the moment and a block of voters who has been
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Speaker 6: alienated now through the comments that she made. And no
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Speaker 6: one is bigger than the team, and I'm sorry as
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Speaker 6: someone who put the team first, it's been very frustrating
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Speaker 6: for me to see anyone come out and think that
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Speaker 6: they're a bigger than the Liberal Party, bigger than the
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Speaker 6: party structure and that every other personality in there is
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Speaker 6: lesser than them. At the end of the day, Susan
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Speaker 6: lay is the leader, and to say that this is
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Speaker 6: the beginning and the end of her leadership, I think
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Speaker 6: is an absolute fallacy.
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Speaker 5: And the other thing I'd like to correct.
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Speaker 6: I used to work for Bill Heffernon a really long
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Speaker 6: time ago, and let me tell you, Bill Heffernan was
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Speaker 6: a bit of an enforcer for John Howard. It is
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Speaker 6: not unusual for leaders to have people who are the
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Speaker 6: people that kind of.
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Speaker 5: Make those phone calls and say, mate.
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Speaker 6: You're out of line, you really need to wear the
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Speaker 6: walk this back, or you need to sort of make
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Speaker 6: some resolution here, and just seem to.
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Speaker 5: Chose not to do that. She is someone who has
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Speaker 5: prosecuted the.
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Speaker 6: Case against victimhood most of her career and to hear
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Speaker 6: her say the very first moment she was criticizing this
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Speaker 6: oh a woman problem, that is an insult to every
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Speaker 6: woman in the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 5: And I find it.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely bizarre that someone who has campaigned against victim wood
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Speaker 6: would try and hide behind that at the first possible opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, do you think that dumping
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Speaker 2: to enter price from the shadow front bench will end
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Speaker 2: the matter and allow the Liberals to get back onto policy.
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Speaker 3: Surely this is going to continue for the next week or.
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Speaker 5: So, well it should end the matter.
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Speaker 6: And for those MPs or senators that are still sitting
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Speaker 6: in the party room that want to continue to stoke
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Speaker 6: this as a matter, well perhaps they should consider their
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Speaker 6: positions as well, whether it's in the parliamentary team in
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Speaker 6: total or not, if they're not part of the shadow
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Speaker 6: and a serial team. As I have said and will
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Speaker 6: always say, if you want to be a member of
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Speaker 6: the big boys game, you want to be part of
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Speaker 6: the big boys team. You need to be a team player,
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Speaker 6: and that means no one is bigger than it. John
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Speaker 6: Howard is probably the goliath next to Robert Menzies of
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Speaker 6: the Liberal Party. Yet the Liberal Party managed to continue
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Speaker 6: on post John howard los loss of an election and
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Speaker 6: losing his seat in two thousand and seven. The party
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Speaker 6: will be able to move on, just since it can
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Speaker 6: take some time.
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Speaker 5: You know, she's been in the Liberal Party, well, you know,
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Speaker 5: not for very long at all, and she.
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Speaker 6: Turned up and literally said to all the Liberal Party
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Speaker 6: colleagues that she wanted to join. By the way, none
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Speaker 6: of you were good enough to be deputy leader, and
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Speaker 6: then she decided to not put her hand up when
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Speaker 6: the numbers clearly weren't there for her.
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Speaker 5: It was a silly move.
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Speaker 6: I think she needs to really get some reflection and
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Speaker 6: maybe get some new advisors, because whoever is advising.
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Speaker 5: Her on these moves at the moment are advising her
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Speaker 5: to hurt her own career.
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Speaker 6: And I do worry that there are people encouraging her
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Speaker 6: to do this who were using her as a bit
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Speaker 6: of a bit of a front.
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Speaker 3: Holy I've got to finish up. But just one more
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Speaker 3: quick question.
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Speaker 2: That Jacenter Price arrived in a fury into the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: how much of this has got to do with her
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Speaker 2: clumsy remarks on immigration, and how much of this has
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Speaker 2: got to do with internal rivalry and jealousy of the center.
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Speaker 3: Price's popularity in the.
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Speaker 6: Public absolutely nothing to do with just Inter's popularity or rivalry,
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Speaker 6: and the people that think it is have never been
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Speaker 6: in a Liberal party room where any of these decisions
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Speaker 6: are made, and unfortunately, ninety nine point nine percent of
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Speaker 6: commentators have never sat in a party room.
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Speaker 5: What this is actually about is the fact that.
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Speaker 6: Jacinta refused point blank to apologize for remarks. If she
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Speaker 6: had apologized straight away, this would have been over. The
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Speaker 6: Indian community deserves more respect from the Liberal Party. Mass
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Speaker 6: migration is a problem in this country and you know me, James,
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Speaker 6: I have spoken out against that very very strongly. But
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Speaker 6: to her inability to walk back those comments and apologize
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Speaker 6: for them when a community was feeling real and genuine
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Speaker 6: hurt has.
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Speaker 5: Done her the damage.
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Speaker 6: No one set this up, just intimate the comments unprompted
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Speaker 6: on her eye.
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Speaker 5: And this is and as I assume, made the decision.
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Speaker 6: On her own to not apologize, and therefore she's got
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Speaker 6: to own the consequences.
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Speaker 2: Holly Hughes, I've got to leave it there, but I
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Speaker 2: appreciate you joining me tonight. Thank you so much, James.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have more on the price. I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure about that, but we'll see how we go. We'll
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Speaker 2: they have more on just enter price soon, but I
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Speaker 2: want to go overseas for a moment. Israel killed senior
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Speaker 2: members of a terrorist organization overnight and Australian politicians, well,
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Speaker 2: they're upset. Last night the idea of launched precision strikes
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Speaker 2: against a residence used by Hamas leaders in Doha. It
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Speaker 2: was the exact same residents where Hamas leaders had celebrated
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Speaker 2: the slaughter of twelve hundred Israelis on October seven.
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Speaker 7: I think.
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Speaker 8: That love them at the closes.
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Speaker 2: Well, the celebrations are over. Details are still emerging, but
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Speaker 2: Israel is optimistic that many, if not all, of those
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Speaker 2: terrorist leaders whom you saw bowing down to thank Allah
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Speaker 2: for the murder of Jews are now finding out whether
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Speaker 2: the promised seventy two virgins are real or just a
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Speaker 2: marketing gimmick. They had assumed they were safe in Qatar,
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Speaker 2: where they've been hosted since twenty twelve.
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Speaker 3: They assumed wrong.
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Speaker 2: It's seven hundred and four days since these devils plotted
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Speaker 2: the invasion of Israel, the murder and rape of women
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Speaker 2: and children, the taking of hostages. They've refused surrender, They've
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Speaker 2: refused to release all the hostages, and they continued to
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Speaker 2: attack Israel. Just yesterday, they claimed responsibility for a terrorist
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Speaker 2: attack in the Israeli capital, two government killing six Jews
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Speaker 2: as they commuted to work in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 9: I remember.
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Speaker 2: Well last night Benjamin Netanyah, who said enough. More than
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Speaker 2: ten Israeli jet fighters fired long range munitions at a
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Speaker 2: house where the terror group's leaders were residing, causing explosions
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Speaker 2: heard across the Qatari capital. Now you might think the
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Speaker 2: civilized world would say thank you Israel for doing what
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Speaker 2: we clearly can't, but no, instead, our politicians fainted into
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Speaker 2: their lace handkerchiefs. Foreign Minister Petty Wong condemned the strike.
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Speaker 10: PLEA certainly think this was the wrong thing to do because,
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Speaker 10: as you said, it violates Qatar's sovereignty.
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Speaker 9: Well boohoo.
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Speaker 2: I would argue that you give up the right to
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Speaker 2: claim sovereignty when you give safe haven to terrorists. Sovereignty
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Speaker 2: is not a magic shield when you're hosting terrorists in
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Speaker 2: your five star hotels and you don't get to host
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Speaker 2: Hitler's cousins and then cry about property rights. I guess
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Speaker 2: I don't have the patience for terrorists that some people have.
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Speaker 10: Kata has also been not the country that has been
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Speaker 10: so involved in the negotiations for a ceasefire and the
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Speaker 10: release of hostages, which is what we all want. It's
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Speaker 10: a US ally. It's been working with the United States
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Speaker 10: to try and bring about a ceasefire and the hostages release.
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Speaker 2: Pennywong is correct to say that Tar has been involved
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Speaker 2: in negotiations for a ceasefire and release of the hostages.
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Speaker 2: And how's that been going. It's been almost two years.
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Speaker 2: The hostages are still in cages. If your daughter were
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Speaker 2: chained up in Gaza, would you agree with Pennywong that
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Speaker 2: two years of roundtable discussions was progress or would you
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Speaker 2: hope someone might just blow the kidnappers to Kingdom?
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Speaker 3: Come? And then Pennywong said this, it's.
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Speaker 10: A violation of sovereignty. It imperils the ceasefire at risks escalation, the.
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Speaker 2: Risk of escalation to that, I ask escalation of what
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Speaker 2: the war began with the worst massacre of Jews since
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Speaker 2: the Holocaust. Iranian proxies already fire on Israel from three sides.
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Speaker 2: Weakness invites aggression. For two years, Israel's enemies believed its
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Speaker 2: hands were tied regarding Katah.
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Speaker 3: Well, they were wrong.
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Speaker 2: This action re establishes Israel de terrence more than any
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Speaker 2: diplomatic cable issued in the dulcet tone of globalists like
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong. The only thing Israel strike in perils is
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Speaker 2: the fantasy that terrorists can massacre Jews and then retire
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Speaker 2: peacefully to Qatar, where they can sip tea the Greens reaction,
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Speaker 2: Surprise Surprise, was even worse. They released this statement, quote overnight,
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Speaker 2: Israel has attacked Katar in an apparent attempt to kill
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Speaker 2: hostage negotiators working to secure a negotiated end to the
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Speaker 2: genocide in Gaza, an attempt to kill hostage negotiators. Calling
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Speaker 2: the Hamas leadership hostage negotiators is like calling Jeffrey Dahmer
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Speaker 2: a culinary enthusiast. Those hostage negotiators with a leadership of
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Speaker 2: Hamas a terrorist organization. But the Greens omit that small
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Speaker 2: detail is Green sentath to David Schubridge.
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Speaker 11: Let's be clear, the attack by Israel on Qatar, a
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Speaker 11: neutral third country, an ally of the United States that
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Speaker 11: was hosting negotiators at the United States invitation. The assassination
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Speaker 11: attempt in Qatar is an extreme escalation by Israel, and
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Speaker 11: it must come with consequences.
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Speaker 2: Negotiators my foot Hamasa's negotiating team were interested only in
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Speaker 2: the survival of Hamas. The negotiations were the only means
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Speaker 2: they had to achieve that. But there should be no negotiations,
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Speaker 2: certainly not with terrorists.
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Speaker 3: The war is over Israel.
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Speaker 2: One Hamas can either unconditionally surrender or they can continue
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Speaker 2: being picked off one by one. Hilariously, the Greens linked
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Speaker 2: Israel's attack on Hamas terrorists with acclaimed drone strike on
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Speaker 2: Grita Tunberg's flotility Gaza. At this point, it's hard to
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Speaker 2: tell whether the Greens are issuing policy statements or auditioning
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Speaker 2: for Monty Python. I was shocked that even National's leader
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Speaker 2: David Little Proud condemned the Israeli strike The coalition, he said,
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Speaker 2: was concerned by Israel's air strike against Hamas leadership and Qatar.
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Speaker 2: It was urging all efforts to prevent escalation.
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Speaker 12: They've tried to take an opportunity of those Hamas leaders
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Speaker 12: that may have been in Qatar at the time, and
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Speaker 12: that doesn't make it right. And I think that Israel
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Speaker 12: has to explain its actions here and potentially setting back
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Speaker 12: the peace process is one that I think the whole
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Speaker 12: world will be disappointed in. So obviously deeply concerning the
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Speaker 12: actions of Israel overnight.
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Speaker 3: He's absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: They took the opportunity to target Hamas leaders who were
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Speaker 2: in Qatar, a little like the United States took the
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Speaker 2: opportunity to target a certain al Qaeda leader who was
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Speaker 2: in Pakistan. When the US struck deep inside Pakistan to
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Speaker 2: eliminate terrorist leader Osama bin Laden, there was nothing but
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Speaker 2: praise from Western leaders. But when Israel strikes deep inside
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Speaker 2: Katar to eliminate terrorist leaders, there's nothing but tut tutting
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Speaker 2: from those same leaders. The double standard beggars belief is
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Speaker 2: some more of David littlprowd.
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Speaker 12: But attacking the sovereignty of Qatar the way they have,
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Speaker 12: I think requires explanation.
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Speaker 2: The explanation is pretty simple. You provide safe haven for
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Speaker 2: terrorists who rape women, burn babies, and take hostages, and
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Speaker 2: Israel will come after you. When you give shelter to terrorists,
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Speaker 2: you don't get to whine about about your sovereignty being violated.
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Speaker 2: You've already violated civilization. What the Israeli strike has done,
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Speaker 2: albeit at the risk of alienating the US, is to
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Speaker 2: show terrorists that if you strike Israel, she will seek
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Speaker 2: you out and take you out one way or another
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Speaker 2: at a time of her choosing. You want to talk
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Speaker 2: about national sovereignty, well that's what a sovereign nation does. Goldimere,
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Speaker 2: Israel's Prime minister during the Young Kapir War, had a
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Speaker 2: particular way with words. She said and I quote, if
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Speaker 2: we have to have a choice between being dead and
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Speaker 2: pitied and being alive with a bad image, we'd rather
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Speaker 2: be alive than have the bad image. Now she said
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Speaker 2: that in the late nineteen sixties. That's sentiment is even
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Speaker 2: more relevant today than it was then. Israel is now
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Speaker 2: fully invested in de terrence. Whatever the West may think,
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Speaker 2: when the Jihads are knocking at our door, maybe our
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Speaker 2: political leaders.
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Speaker 3: Will come to their senses.
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Speaker 2: Well, Israel has a history of taking out their enemies
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Speaker 2: without explicitly admitting they ever did it, not so in
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Speaker 2: this instance. Prime Minister Benjamin Ett Yahoo posted on social
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Speaker 2: media today's action against the top terrorist chieftains of Hamas
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Speaker 2: was a wholly independent Israeli operation. Israel initiative initiated it,
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Speaker 2: Israel conducted it, and Israel takes full responsibility. Joining me
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Speaker 2: now is Michael Costa form in his South Wales Treasurer
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Speaker 2: and Cameron Milner g XO Strategies Director. Gentlemen, thanks for
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Speaker 2: coming on the program tonight, Michael. Israel have sent a
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Speaker 2: very clear message with this strike, haven't they.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And let me just make a point, Penny Wong
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Speaker 8: is completely out of her depth and you can see
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Speaker 8: from those comments. It also shows what a foolish position
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Speaker 8: the Australian government took in going to recognize Palestine later
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Speaker 8: on this month at the u N because they've got
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Speaker 8: no leverage. Nobody in Israel's going to listen to Australia's
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Speaker 8: views on this, and I know by the way that
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Speaker 8: she's got the same position as Russia. Russia just came
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Speaker 8: out and condemned Israel. Would you believe for the attack
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Speaker 8: on Qatar based on the argument of sovereignty, that's Russia
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Speaker 8: that attacked Ukraine. Of course, let's be clear here, the
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Speaker 8: US I'm sure would have given the green light to this.
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Speaker 8: The reality is as a big US base there, the
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Speaker 8: US could have shot down any incoming missiles. I'm sure
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Speaker 8: the US has given the green light. And also Qatar
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Speaker 8: may well have accepted the consequences of this because the
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Speaker 8: process has reached the end. Remember, Qatar runs Al Jazeera
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Speaker 8: and Hamas propaganda all over the globe, so we don't
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Speaker 8: want to fill too. Are concerned about the violation of
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Speaker 8: sovereignty in relation to.
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Speaker 3: This, Kevin, what about you?
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Speaker 2: Do you share my criticism of our leaders for refusing
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Speaker 2: to back Israel in this attack or have you got
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Speaker 2: a different take.
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Speaker 13: No, I don't, James. I thought your editorial was actually
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Speaker 13: excellent tonight, and actually what should the Australi leaders actually
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Speaker 13: should have said after a precision killed to take out
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Speaker 13: her mass terrorists?
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Speaker 3: I mean, are mass terrorists.
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Speaker 13: Whether you're carrying in a tunnel in Gaza, way do
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Speaker 13: you be martyred or living high in the hog in
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Speaker 13: a luxury villa in Doha, You're still a terrorist. And
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Speaker 13: in the end, for two years, these guys are not surrendered.
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Speaker 13: For two years they've not paid or come to justice
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Speaker 13: for what they did to the Israelis. Though twelve hundred men,
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Speaker 13: women and children they having come to justice. And quite frankly,
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Speaker 13: if it takes the Israelis decapitating.
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Speaker 1: Them, good on them, Good on them.
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Speaker 13: I'm reminded Ronald Reagan's quote, if they won't see the light,
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Speaker 13: make them feel the heat.
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Speaker 3: James, I like that quote. That's a good one, all right.
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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on the acting of
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Speaker 2: Senator just just into a namperghip A Price. Michael Costa,
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Speaker 2: are you surprised by Susan Lee's decision and how do
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Speaker 2: you think this will play out for Susan Lee.
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Speaker 8: Well, firstly, I think Senator Price's comments were a bit
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Speaker 8: silly and she should have walked them back. I mean,
21:15
Speaker 8: the reality is that even though some immigrants vote for
21:19
Speaker 8: the Labor Party when they come in, eventually they see
21:22
Speaker 8: the light and move on. That happened to my community,
21:24
Speaker 8: the Italian Greek community. We're traditionally Labor voters and most
21:28
Speaker 8: of them now probably vote Liberal. So I think it's
21:30
Speaker 8: a silly position to take, and she should have walked
21:32
Speaker 8: that back. Having said that, I think the decision that
21:35
Speaker 8: Lee's taken is terminal for a leadership. I think what
21:38
Speaker 8: will happen now is she set up the conditions for
21:41
Speaker 8: a challenge later on in this session of parliament. You
21:45
Speaker 8: can see why because she's not going to make a
21:47
Speaker 8: real impact on the government. The government's full of hubris,
21:51
Speaker 8: but it's got a massive majority. It can do whatever
21:54
Speaker 8: it likes. She's not going to make an impact, and
21:56
Speaker 8: there will be leadership rumblings very soon, and I think
21:58
Speaker 8: they'll coalesce around Price.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the interesting part of that camera is that
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee is not particularly popular, but of course just
22:07
Speaker 2: Sink the Price enjoys mass popular support.
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Speaker 13: She does. And you know, if you go down the street,
22:15
Speaker 13: everyone would know who just sit the Price was. The
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Speaker 13: Jimber Price was in it because of all the voice
22:20
Speaker 13: campaign that struggled to know who Susan Lay was. So
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Speaker 13: that's exactly the problem, James. Look, and I think to
22:24
Speaker 13: your point, Michael, I mean, Susan Lay is on borrow time.
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Speaker 13: You know, I expect her to be rolled within the
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Speaker 13: term of office. She can't survive. And this is just
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Speaker 13: such an early sign of her actual weakness as a
22:35
Speaker 13: leader because it took three days for this to come through. Goodness, mate,
22:39
Speaker 13: if rich O and Michael Costrad had someone to do
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Speaker 13: this in a shadow cabinet, they were gone within moments,
22:44
Speaker 13: not fest for seventy two hours. So no, it's week
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Speaker 13: leadership from Lay. And I agree with Michael, she'll be rolled.
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Speaker 2: The other funny part about this, Michael, is that a
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Speaker 2: lot of the criticism of Susan Lee that I've heard
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Speaker 2: is that she's not strong enough, she's not tough with
22:59
Speaker 2: the government, she's indecisive. But when she does demonstrate strength
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Speaker 2: and decisiveness, it's not against the Labor government, it's against
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Speaker 2: one of her most popular MPs.
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Speaker 8: And also a factional opponent. Let's not forget that. I mean,
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Speaker 8: the Liberal Party so factionalized, and this is what underpins
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Speaker 8: all of this. And I think, you know, I heard
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Speaker 8: your previous guest talk about leadership and strength and all
23:25
Speaker 8: of that, but the bottom line is factionalism is what's
23:28
Speaker 8: driving this Liberal Party at the moment. That's why I
23:30
Speaker 8: can't get its ACKed together on net zero. You can't
23:32
Speaker 8: get its ACKed together on a range of things. And
23:35
Speaker 8: you know it wouldn't surprise me if they lose the
23:37
Speaker 8: next election with some additional seats lost, that you see
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Speaker 8: some sort of farrage type movement, reform movement start within
23:45
Speaker 8: the Liberal Party's base. The fact of the matter is
23:48
Speaker 8: they're in serious trouble.
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Speaker 2: Camin Milner, I've just got about one minute left. What's
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Speaker 2: your advice to Senator Price. Does she go to you
23:58
Speaker 2: know she's now on the backbench, no longer on the
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Speaker 2: shadow ministry. Does she just go quiet or does she
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Speaker 2: now use her freedom to speak out even more?
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Speaker 13: Look, you know you've got to be a rebel, but
24:09
Speaker 13: a rebel with a cause don't just become the next
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Speaker 13: headline and the cheap, easy shot for someone. She's better
24:15
Speaker 13: than that. James much better than that.
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Speaker 3: Very good. Well, I appreciate you both tonight, thanks for
24:21
Speaker 3: joining me.
24:22
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break, but when we
24:24
Speaker 2: come back, Rowan Dean will join me. I am very
24:27
Speaker 2: keen to hear his take on the events of today
24:30
Speaker 2: with Jaciner Price, as I said, being dumped from the
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Speaker 2: Shadow Ministry.
24:34
Speaker 3: He's up next. Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 2: To the huge news of the night, Senator Justint and
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Speaker 2: nampajmper Price dumped from shadow cabinet.
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Speaker 3: He was Susan Lee.
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Speaker 4: Just in the last hour, Senator Justin and Nampajmp Price
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Speaker 4: has failed a test of high standard that I have
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Speaker 4: set for members of my Shadow ministry. Confidence in the
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Speaker 4: leader is a requirement for serving in the Shadow Ministry.
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Speaker 4: A few a couple of hours ago, I spoke to
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Speaker 4: the Senator and I advised her of my decision.
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Speaker 2: That of course, came after Senator Price refused on two
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Speaker 2: occasions to back in Susan Lee as Liberal leader.
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Speaker 3: Take a look, do you have confidence in her leadership?
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Speaker 7: Look again, those matters are for our party room. Those
25:33
Speaker 7: matters are for our party room. My focus is to
25:36
Speaker 7: go forward and to ensure that we're doing the right
25:40
Speaker 7: thing by the Australian people, which is what we.
25:43
Speaker 9: Are elected to do.
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Speaker 7: That is that is what my concerns are.
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Speaker 8: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now?
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Speaker 2: Is Sky News host Rowan Dean Rowan, Susan Lee dumping
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Speaker 2: just into Price a shehoff strength or shof weakness.
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Speaker 9: I'm calling her lay down, Susan. Remember the rower who
26:08
Speaker 9: kind of collapsed in the rowing boat and was flat
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Speaker 9: on her back while everyone sat around. That's laid down, Susan.
26:13
Speaker 9: Her ear leadership is finished. Now it's over, It's done
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Speaker 9: and dusted. Let's just rewind this, James, what justinter Price was?
26:24
Speaker 9: Ten days ago there were rallies and protests all across
26:27
Speaker 9: Australia with Australian flags flying. It was called the March
26:30
Speaker 9: for Australia and it was in reaction to months and
26:33
Speaker 9: months of protests for Palestine and other issues. Following that protest,
26:39
Speaker 9: Jacinta Price was asked on the ABC about immigration, which
26:44
Speaker 9: is a hot button issue with many many Australians for many,
26:47
Speaker 9: many different reasons. During that interview, she quoted a pole,
26:52
Speaker 9: a Redbridge pole that suggested that eighty five percent of
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Speaker 9: Indians tend to in Australia migrants or second generation or
27:01
Speaker 9: whatever tend to vote for labor, and the polster cos
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Speaker 9: Kamaris from Redbridge made the observation that Indians were actually
27:10
Speaker 9: naturally conservative voters by culture and by work ethic and
27:14
Speaker 9: so on, and he was surprised that the numbers so
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Speaker 9: high that eighty five percent of them, broadly speaking, across
27:22
Speaker 9: different areas, it was higher in some places lower than
27:24
Speaker 9: others were voting for labor. Now, the first question that
27:28
Speaker 9: Susan Lay should have been asking was who commissioned that pole?
27:33
Speaker 9: Redbridge is a very professional outfit, cause Samarus is a
27:36
Speaker 9: former Victorian labor strategist. It was an in depth survey
27:41
Speaker 9: done across various areas. It wasn't some.
27:44
Speaker 8: Cheap online poll.
27:46
Speaker 9: Someone commissioned that poll for very specific reasons to find
27:51
Speaker 9: out the voting habits of Indian migrants in Australia. Now,
27:56
Speaker 9: the poll was only came to light, as far as
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Speaker 9: I can ascertain, through a Drew Pavlou podcast where cos
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Speaker 9: Samaras mentioned the results and mentioned what he discovered in
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Speaker 9: this poll.
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Speaker 1: Polls are not cheap.
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Speaker 9: So the first question that the Liberal Party should have
28:14
Speaker 9: been asking immediately after that interview with Drew pavlou was
28:19
Speaker 9: who commissioned this poll? And why did the government commission it?
28:23
Speaker 9: Did the Labor Party commission it? Did some Indian benefactor
28:27
Speaker 9: commission it? Who commissioned the poll? And why all just
28:31
Speaker 9: Enterprise was doing was quoting that poll that eighty five
28:35
Speaker 9: percent of Indian migrants, according to the poll, vote Labor.
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Speaker 9: Shortly afterwards or was it before, we do not know.
28:45
Speaker 9: The Labor Party got into negotiations which have been revealed
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Speaker 9: by various Indian sources with India about bringing in a
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Speaker 9: large number of Indians into Australia to quote, build up
28:56
Speaker 9: to a million homes. Were the Labor Party? Was the
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Speaker 9: government aware of the results of that poll when they
29:05
Speaker 9: entered these negotiations with the Indians. That is also what
29:08
Speaker 9: Susan Lay should have been asking. She's had nearly a
29:11
Speaker 9: month to find out the answers to those questions. We
29:15
Speaker 9: haven't heard a single word from her. The only person
29:19
Speaker 9: in the opposition who even raised the issue was Senator
29:24
Speaker 9: just Into Nampa jimper Price, having raised that issue directly
29:28
Speaker 9: when she was asked a direct question, which she answered honestly.
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Speaker 9: The first thing that the Liberal Party, the coalition and
29:36
Speaker 9: Susan Lai should have been doing. Is going She's on
29:39
Speaker 9: to something here. Let's find out more about it. Hang
29:43
Speaker 9: on who commissioned that poll and why, what other questions
29:48
Speaker 9: were asked in that poll and what does it mean politically?
29:51
Speaker 9: At that point, the coalition, Susan Layer should have been
29:55
Speaker 9: on the front foot attacking the Labor Party and asking
29:59
Speaker 9: the question as to whether or not the Labor Party
30:03
Speaker 9: knew about the results of that poll before they entered
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Speaker 9: into discussions to bring in a large number of Indian
30:09
Speaker 9: migrants to build a million Australian homes. That is the
30:12
Speaker 9: attack that we should have had all this week. That
30:15
Speaker 9: is what a proper coalition leader would have been doing.
30:19
Speaker 9: And the moment just Siner Price raised that question in
30:22
Speaker 9: the ABC interview, the opposition leader, a strong, proper solid
30:27
Speaker 9: opposition leader, would have been backing just Center Price in
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Speaker 9: and using that information and that quote from that poll
30:35
Speaker 9: to attack the Labor Party and to raise the question
30:39
Speaker 9: of whether immigration in this country is being used for
30:42
Speaker 9: political ends. We saw before the election, we saw Tony
30:46
Speaker 9: Burt rushing around putting as many giving as many citizenship
30:50
Speaker 9: ceremonies as possible.
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Speaker 1: Was that politically motivated?
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Speaker 9: We have used the high immigration politically motivated by the
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Speaker 9: Labor Party, that should be the line of attack by
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Speaker 9: the Cold Every question.
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Speaker 3: That I've heard, absolutely right there.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, Row, and I've got to cut you off because
31:06
Speaker 2: we're running out of time. You're absolutely wrong, though, if
31:09
Speaker 2: Susan Lee had directed her energies towards the Labor Party,
31:12
Speaker 2: things might be very different. Unfortunately, she's directed it towards
31:16
Speaker 2: one of her most popular MP's. We'll see how that
31:19
Speaker 2: plays out for her. Appreciate you joining me tonight. We're
31:22
Speaker 2: going to go to a break still to come or
31:24
Speaker 2: talk to former White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer about
31:27
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's Bob each Way reaction to Israel's attack on Katar.
31:31
Speaker 2: And it's been revealed a prominent Democrat politician splashing cash
31:35
Speaker 2: on luxury hotels as she preaches fight the oligarchy.
31:39
Speaker 3: All of that in just a moment. Well.
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump has had a Bob each Way
31:46
Speaker 2: when it comes to Israel's attack on HERMAS leaders in
31:48
Speaker 2: Qatar overnight.
31:50
Speaker 3: On the one hand, he rebuked Israel.
31:52
Speaker 2: Writing on truth social unilaterally bombing inside Katar, a sovereign
31:56
Speaker 2: nation and close ally of the United States that is
31:59
Speaker 2: working very hard and bravely taking risks with us to
32:02
Speaker 2: broke a piece does not advance Israel or America's goals.
32:06
Speaker 3: But then in the.
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Speaker 2: Next breath he wrote, however, eliminating Hamas who have profited
32:11
Speaker 2: off the misery of those living in Gaza is a
32:14
Speaker 2: worthy goal. Joining me now is former White House Press
32:17
Speaker 2: Secretary Sean Spicer. Sean, thanks for coming on the program.
32:21
Speaker 2: This whole situation neatly summarizes America's problem with Katar, does
32:25
Speaker 2: it not.
32:26
Speaker 3: You've got an ally that.
32:28
Speaker 2: Hosts the political headquarters of a terrorist group.
32:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, you put your finger on a JEMs. It's complicated.
32:35
Speaker 14: Obviously, Hamas, what they did on October seventh was unbelievably horrific.
32:40
Speaker 14: But at the same time, we've got to respect the
32:42
Speaker 14: sovereignty of other nations and frankly, other nations that we
32:45
Speaker 14: do business with and that are part of the Abraham
32:47
Speaker 14: Accords that the President in his first term worked really
32:50
Speaker 14: hard to achieve. So, like so many other things, it's
32:53
Speaker 14: not as easy as it seems at face value. You've
32:57
Speaker 14: got to respect Israel trying to seek avenge and take
33:00
Speaker 14: out the leadership of Aromas. But at the same time
33:03
Speaker 14: they did it in a way that probably wasn't something
33:07
Speaker 14: that we would be normally okay with, which is going
33:09
Speaker 14: into a sovereign country, into a and you know, and
33:12
Speaker 14: executing people.
33:13
Speaker 2: Negotiations to end the war and Garza have been going
33:16
Speaker 2: on for almost two years. The Hamas leadership have pretty
33:20
Speaker 2: much frustrated those negotiations at every point. So you can
33:24
Speaker 2: understand Israel wanting to take this action, and they did
33:27
Speaker 2: advise Donald Trump ahead of time that they would do this.
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Speaker 14: They did, and I think that's the smart move, but
33:36
Speaker 14: it's sort of the wording of all of what.
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Speaker 1: Went down was very interesting this morning.
33:40
Speaker 14: I think they said that they let the US military
33:44
Speaker 14: know ahead of time, which I thought was a fascinating
33:46
Speaker 14: way of wording it.
33:47
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, look, they've given.
33:50
Speaker 14: A lot of latitude for a deal to be had,
33:53
Speaker 14: and frankly, I think Benjamin nettya who the Prime Minister
33:56
Speaker 14: of Israel, has exhausted all of these options. He's waited,
33:59
Speaker 14: he's done everything that the US has asked in terms
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Speaker 14: of timing, and he's frankly ready to take some serious action.
34:05
Speaker 14: But we've waited a long time for these hostages to
34:07
Speaker 14: be released, the ones that are alive and the bodies
34:09
Speaker 14: of those that have perished, And I think Donald Trump
34:11
Speaker 14: has lost patience with them, meaning Hamas.
34:15
Speaker 1: And is ready to give Israel a longer leash if
34:18
Speaker 1: you will to get the job done.
34:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other thing I wanted to ask you about,
34:24
Speaker 2: because it does seem that well Donald Trump is being
34:27
Speaker 2: careful with some of his words. As I read earlier
34:31
Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanyah, who does seem to have been given free
34:34
Speaker 2: license by the United States.
34:37
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's free license.
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Speaker 14: Look, there's a reason, as you noted, James, that they
34:40
Speaker 14: checked in with the US that they wanted to make
34:42
Speaker 14: sure that we weren't caught off guard by this strike
34:46
Speaker 14: and cutter. But at the end of the day, I
34:49
Speaker 14: think that Netanyahu has done a really good job of
34:51
Speaker 14: working with President Trump saying I'm willing to do what
34:54
Speaker 14: you say, but at some point understand that my people
34:57
Speaker 14: and frankly your people, Americans, dual citizens, are still being
35:00
Speaker 14: held by this terrorist organization that went in and did
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Speaker 14: this horrific thing on October seventh where they attacked women.
35:06
Speaker 1: Children, and man innocent civilians for no reason.
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Speaker 14: So the President, like I said, I think has really
35:12
Speaker 14: tried to broke her a piece to get the hostages out,
35:15
Speaker 14: and Marts has exhausted the patients of all parties.
35:21
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, I want to move on to some
35:24
Speaker 2: domestic issues in the United States. Everyone's favorite Democrat AOC
35:28
Speaker 2: appears to have enjoyed ritzy hotels while she was touring
35:32
Speaker 2: the United States staging these fighting the oligarchy rallies. As
35:36
Speaker 2: well as being soft on crime, the Left love to
35:39
Speaker 2: rail against the rich while living it up in luxury themselves.
35:44
Speaker 2: Alexandria Occasio Cortez AOC likes to market herself as something
35:49
Speaker 2: of a champion for the working class against the mega
35:51
Speaker 2: rich elite. But while on this tour fighting the oligarchy
35:56
Speaker 2: and telling crowds things like this, she would tell the crowds,
35:59
Speaker 2: the only divis that's truly hurting our country the most
36:02
Speaker 2: is the endless greed by those at the very very
36:05
Speaker 2: top at the cost of everyone else.
36:07
Speaker 3: Will saying nat, it's.
36:09
Speaker 2: Been revealed she's spending thousands of dollars staying in swanky,
36:12
Speaker 2: five star hotels. It reminds me of George Orwell, who
36:15
Speaker 2: had these people figured out eighty years ago, didn't he? He said,
36:18
Speaker 2: what all animals are equal, but some are more equal
36:21
Speaker 2: than others.
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Speaker 14: Well, first, it's not the first time that she's done this.
36:26
Speaker 14: And remember the dress that she wore to that famous
36:29
Speaker 14: met gala where it said tax the rich. Wasn't exactly
36:32
Speaker 14: off the rack, if you will. It was a designer
36:36
Speaker 14: dress made for her she brought. I don't know if
36:38
Speaker 14: he's her boyfriend or fiance, but she so. Look, this
36:41
Speaker 14: is not new for her. She's a hypocrite. But it's
36:44
Speaker 14: also a pattern among not just Alexandria Casio Gortez, but
36:47
Speaker 14: Bernie Sanders and illin Olmar, her colleague from Minnesota. They
36:51
Speaker 14: love to rally against capitalism and then benefit from it
36:55
Speaker 14: in terms of you know, raping, raking in money. Ilin
37:00
Speaker 14: and Omar literally has been millions of dollars in gotten
37:03
Speaker 14: rich in Congress.
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Speaker 1: These people know no bounds.
37:06
Speaker 14: They love to tell everyone what they should do about
37:09
Speaker 14: their carbon footprint.
37:10
Speaker 1: Then they fly private.
37:11
Speaker 14: They love to talk about the excesses of the rich,
37:14
Speaker 14: and then they benefit from it. They trade stocks, they
37:17
Speaker 14: get rich in Congress. So I've pretty much had it
37:20
Speaker 14: with these guys. But at the end of the day,
37:21
Speaker 14: it's great that they're being called out on it. Because
37:24
Speaker 14: the hypocrisy knows no bounds, James.
37:28
Speaker 2: Indeed, West Point Military College has decided to cancel an
37:32
Speaker 2: award given every year to American citizens who embody the
37:36
Speaker 2: ideals of west Point duty, honor, and courage. Last year
37:39
Speaker 2: it was given to former President Obama. This year it
37:42
Speaker 2: was to have been given to actor Tom Hanks, but
37:45
Speaker 2: it's now been scrapped, and Trump has praised the move,
37:49
Speaker 2: posting on social media.
37:50
Speaker 3: Important move.
37:51
Speaker 2: We don't need destructive, woke recipients getting our cherished American awards.
37:56
Speaker 2: Hopefully the Academy Awards and other fake award shows will
37:59
Speaker 2: review their standards and practices in the name of fairness
38:03
Speaker 2: and justice. So I'm reading about this short and I'm
38:06
Speaker 2: a little confused. Is Trump happy that west Point have
38:10
Speaker 2: canceled this award because it's part of his focus on
38:13
Speaker 2: the military, you know, being a department of war rather
38:17
Speaker 2: than engaging in all these other things, including handing out
38:20
Speaker 2: awards to citizens. Or is he happy the award has
38:23
Speaker 2: been scrapped because he's sick of it going to his opponents.
38:29
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think it's a little of
38:32
Speaker 1: the former more than the latter.
38:34
Speaker 14: That look, they want this to be a department in
38:37
Speaker 14: each of the branches.
38:38
Speaker 1: I serve on the board of the Naval.
38:39
Speaker 14: Academy, so this is obviously West Point, the Army's university.
38:43
Speaker 14: But at the end of the day, we're focused on
38:44
Speaker 14: war fighting and getting the soldiers and sailors that are
38:48
Speaker 14: at these academies ready to address the conflicts and the
38:51
Speaker 14: challenges and the threats that we face. So I support
38:54
Speaker 14: the President's decision there we should be making warriors, and
38:57
Speaker 14: I think Secretary of Hegseth is god that point well done.
39:01
Speaker 14: At the same time, I will say this, and I
39:03
Speaker 14: know this may not be popular with everyone, but as
39:05
Speaker 14: much as I don't like what Hollywood has done and
39:08
Speaker 14: taken advantage of the military, Tom Hanks has really brought
39:12
Speaker 14: used his platform to bring to light a lot of
39:15
Speaker 14: the challenges and the issues that soldiers face.
39:17
Speaker 1: So look, I'm torn on this one.
39:20
Speaker 14: Tom Hanks has been obviously a very big champion of
39:23
Speaker 14: the left and woke policies, but at the same time
39:25
Speaker 14: he has done some good where I think the President's
39:28
Speaker 14: right is stopping this pattern. It seems like nobody on
39:32
Speaker 14: the right who fights for the country and survives and
39:34
Speaker 14: shows endurance and perseverance gets the same honor as these
39:39
Speaker 14: woke Hollywood leftists, and so it's the pattern. If it
39:42
Speaker 14: was one for one, i'd be great. You know, I
39:44
Speaker 14: might feel a little different, but I feel like, over
39:47
Speaker 14: and over again, we reward the left for all the
39:49
Speaker 14: stuff they say. If they do just something good, I'd
39:52
Speaker 14: like to see that change. I think what the president
39:54
Speaker 14: is doing overall on Secretary of Headseth is welcome news.
39:59
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of woke lefty Hollywood celebrities, you remind me
40:03
Speaker 2: of Unfortunately, Rosy o'donal and she's now fearing that Donald
40:06
Speaker 2: Trump's Supreme Court could revoke her citizenship. Now, she's famously
40:12
Speaker 2: no fan of Donald Trump. In fact, she moved to
40:14
Speaker 2: Ireland when Trump won office to get away from him.
40:18
Speaker 2: But now she's come out with this extraordinary claim that
40:20
Speaker 2: her US citizenship is under threat because of Trump's control
40:24
Speaker 2: over the Supreme Court. Now I think Trump may have
40:28
Speaker 2: started this, he posted on social media because of the
40:31
Speaker 2: fact that Rosie o'donald is not in the best interests
40:34
Speaker 2: of our great country. I'm giving serious consideration to taking
40:38
Speaker 2: away her citizenship. Now, o'donald was skeptical that Trump could
40:42
Speaker 2: legally follow through but now she's saying, well, you know,
40:45
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is conservative, so they might side with him.
40:50
Speaker 2: I don't think that Trump can seriously or would remove
40:54
Speaker 2: her citizenship.
40:55
Speaker 3: My question for.
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Speaker 2: You is why does Trump engage with these people in
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Speaker 2: the first place? And this is probably my problem with Trump.
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Speaker 2: I think overwhelmingly Trump is a great president, but he
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Speaker 2: can't seem to help himself but tinker around with these
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Speaker 2: trivial issues, poking people who really don't Who cares what
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Speaker 2: Rosie o'donald thinks.
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Speaker 3: Why does Trump waste time on these people?
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Speaker 14: I know what you're I get it. I get what
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Speaker 14: your point is, James. I think this is what makes
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Speaker 14: Trump trump felt.
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Speaker 1: Look at Rosey o'donnald last week patently lied.
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Speaker 14: She claimed that the shooter in that horrific, tragic shooting
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Speaker 14: at Annunciation Church in Minnesota was a big Trump supporter.
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Speaker 1: That was out doing stuff. In fact, it was quite
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Speaker 1: the opposite.
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Speaker 14: That individual is very sick transgender wrote kill Trump on
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Speaker 14: the weaponry. But so I think it's it's like Trump
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Speaker 14: loves to troll this. He likes to get out there
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Speaker 14: and kind of create a controversy. There's no question, It's
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Speaker 14: not a question for the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 1: I don't. I can't. I honestly don't.
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Speaker 14: Can't say I'm a Rosie o'donald expert, But what I
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Speaker 14: do believe she was born in America and therefore she
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Speaker 14: is entitled to citizenship.
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Speaker 1: But Trump loves to engage in this to your point, because.
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Speaker 14: Everybody freaks out and it gets them all riled up,
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Speaker 14: and I think it's funny. But at the end of
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Speaker 14: the day, this is so silly. Rosie o'donnald is a
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Speaker 14: patent liar. She lied about what happened in Minnesota last week,
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Speaker 14: and I think he just enjoys needling her.
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Speaker 2: Is there another strategy behind what Trump does? And he
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Speaker 2: gets everybody talking about Rosio O'Donnell. Meanwhile he's moved on
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Speaker 2: and he's focusing on the big issues of the country
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Speaker 2: while the Democrats play around in the puddles.
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Speaker 3: Is that part of his strategy? Perhaps?
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Speaker 1: You know what. I can't say I know for certain
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Speaker 1: what his strategy is.
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Speaker 14: But to your broader point, James, this guy knows how
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Speaker 14: to change the narrative and dominate headlinings like no one
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Speaker 14: I've ever seen before.
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Speaker 1: Ever think about it. We're talking about.
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Speaker 14: This because he sent out a truth social post and suddenly,
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Speaker 14: because he can do that, he's the only politician of
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Speaker 14: every of either party in my history that can do this.
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Speaker 1: He owns the narrative.
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Speaker 14: And yeah, sometimes people wonder if it's distracting from something
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Speaker 14: else or if he's just creating a new narrative. But
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Speaker 14: the bottom line is he commands the narrative like no
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Speaker 14: one else.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe it's not that he's distracted
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Speaker 2: by all of this. Maybe we're distracted by all of this, right,
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Speaker 2: Sean Spicer, always a delight to talk with you. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining me tonight, you.
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Speaker 1: Bet jams, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: We'll stick around coming up after the break. Elon Musk
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Speaker 2: wonders what fills the void if the West rejects Christianity.
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Speaker 3: That's next?
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump gave an interesting speech in Washington
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Speaker 2: this week where he linked the strength of a society
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Speaker 2: to the strength of its commitment to Christian values.
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Speaker 15: Have listen, America was founded on faith, as we know,
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Speaker 15: and I've been saying it for a long time. And
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Speaker 15: when faith gets weaker, our countries seems to get weaker.
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Speaker 5: When faith gets stronger.
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Speaker 15: As it is right now, We're having a very good
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Speaker 15: period of time after some rough years. Good things happen
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Speaker 15: for our country.
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Speaker 5: It's amazing the way it seems to work that way.
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Speaker 2: And Dylon Musk, of all people, recently pose the question
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Speaker 2: if Western nations lose their faith.
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Speaker 3: In God, well what replaces it?
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Speaker 2: He warned that those who hate Christianity ought to be
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Speaker 2: careful wishing for its demise.
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Speaker 16: This nature abhors a vacuum. And if you take away religion,
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Speaker 16: then I think you actually you get something in this
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Speaker 16: place which is actually worse than what was there before.
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Speaker 16: I mean, it's like destructive basically, get you get like
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Speaker 16: the white mind virus filling filling the whole that religion
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Speaker 16: used to have. Taking the place of religion, you get
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Speaker 16: these dystopian, de facto religions that are that are very
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Speaker 16: very self destructive.
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Speaker 3: Join me now.
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Speaker 2: As skynew has contributed, Joe Hildebrand, Joe, I wanted to
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Speaker 2: finish the program on these comments from Trumps and Elon Musk.
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Speaker 3: Do they have a point?
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Speaker 1: They absolutely have a point.
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Speaker 17: And this is why I love Trump and Mask that
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Speaker 17: they are kind of sort of all over the place.
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Speaker 17: They're not sort of particularly disciplined in what they say.
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Speaker 17: It means they're not boring, they're not beije, and they
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Speaker 17: just sometimes just drop these really big questions or big statements,
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Speaker 17: and it does make you think, all right, well, what
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Speaker 17: are actual values as society? I couldn't agree more. What
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Speaker 17: happens if you get rid of religion is that it
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Speaker 17: gets replaced by something else, and usually that thing is
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Speaker 17: much much worse. I'll never forget about ten years ago,
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Speaker 17: at the height of the Isis terror attacks that were
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Speaker 17: terrifying people in Western countries and especially obviously in Syria,
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Speaker 17: and they were talking about what these lone wolves, you know,
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Speaker 17: what was the common element of Western individuals who suddenly
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Speaker 17: turned to extremism, fundamentalism and terrorism. And I'll never forget
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Speaker 17: it was a counter terrorism expert or a deradicalization expert
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Speaker 17: who said they had absolutely nothing in common except that
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Speaker 17: so they came from all different walks of life. Rich
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Speaker 17: people bought people, men, women, whatever, But they were all unhappy.
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Speaker 17: They were all kind of lost and grappling for something.
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Speaker 17: Their lives had not turned out the way they wanted to,
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Speaker 17: and they didn't really believe in anything and were looking
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Speaker 17: for something to sort of grasp onto and give their
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Speaker 17: lives meaning and religion. I think players and Christianity in particular,
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Speaker 17: plays an incredibly important part in just giving someone as
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Speaker 17: a child starting out life a set of values. You
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Speaker 17: can rebel against those values later in life, you can
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Speaker 17: question them, but if you have them to start with,
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Speaker 17: then whatever you are rebelling against, or whatever you are
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Speaker 17: questioning or looking to replace them with, has to at
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Speaker 17: least measure up against that initial kind of scale folding
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Speaker 17: of morality. And so, I mean, say what, whether you
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Speaker 17: believe in God or not, the Ten Commandments are a
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Speaker 17: pretty good set of rules, like don't kill people, don't
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Speaker 17: steal their stuff, don't be jealous of your neighbors, you know,
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Speaker 17: respect your parents.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a pretty good word wrong with those.
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Speaker 17: Joe, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Now the question I had for you just quickly that
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Speaker 2: the fraying of social cohesion and the move away from Christianity,
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Speaker 2: those two phenomenons seem to be connected.
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Speaker 3: They've got about forty seconds left. What do you say
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Speaker 3: to that?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think there's a bit of that, although I
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Speaker 17: think that also, you know, sometimes people are trying to
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Speaker 17: replace it with their own sort of values. But again,
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Speaker 17: I would go to Saint Paul James, and there is
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Speaker 17: no Jew or gentile, man or woman, or master or slave.
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Speaker 1: We are all one.
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Speaker 17: And I think that message of equality is something that
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Speaker 17: people on the left and the right should both embrace
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Speaker 17: instead of trying to find new ways to differentiate ourselves.
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Speaker 2: When you left out the last part of that verse, Joe,
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Speaker 2: it says we're all one in Christ. Unity for the
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Speaker 2: sake of unity doesn't work. You've got to have unity
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Speaker 2: around something. And I just thought it's interesting Trump and
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk you can argue about their personal faith. The
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Speaker 2: question is is the Christian faith that sustained the Western
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Speaker 2: world to this point the only thing that's strong enough
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Speaker 2: to continue to sustain it. I think they've got a
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Speaker 2: great point, and like you, I'm glad they're raising some
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Speaker 2: of these big questions for all their other faults. It's
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Speaker 2: a question worth asking. Does the West need to go
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Speaker 2: back to its roots? Joe Hildebrand, appreciate your time tonight,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me on the Bolt Reports Stick Around.
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Speaker 2: Coming up right now is Sharry markson good Night