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Credlin | 11 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on Kredline this evening. Fears of a hunt Parliament
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Speaker 2: beholden to the radical Greens and the crazy climate Teals
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Speaker 2: has got a reaction from Labor store wards Joe Fit's
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Speaker 2: given today on what must happen to avoid such a mess.
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Speaker 2: Fears for Christian minorities in Syrios, thousands of massacred by
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Speaker 2: Islamers terrorist yet so much of the Western media is
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Speaker 2: ignoring this growing crisis. Tonight I'll play you an interview
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Speaker 2: with a Brisbane man in the region and show you
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Speaker 2: some of the harrowing footage, the documents the extent of
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Speaker 2: this genocide. Plus is the United States headed for recession,
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Speaker 2: while markets are certainly getting jittery, the president's tariff war
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Speaker 2: heating up, all the while Malcolm Turnbull doubling down and
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Speaker 2: his own war of words with his old nemesis hampering
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Speaker 2: and a chance, says the experts, we might cut a
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Speaker 2: deal and Labour job's on the fabrogated terror plot, trying
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Speaker 2: to smear Peter Dudden simply for acting on the advice
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Speaker 2: he had from authorities at the time or true to form,
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Speaker 2: the opposition leaders not having a bar of it.
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Speaker 3: I see tiny Burke here is trying to find political
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Speaker 3: opportunity out of a national security issue, and frankly you
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Speaker 3: should stand condemned.
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Speaker 2: But first ever wasteed crisis sees political advice, and today
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Speaker 2: the former Labour cabint minister Joe Fitzgibbon offered his advice
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Speaker 2: on how to turn the potential crisis of a hung
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Speaker 2: parliament into a new reform opportunity for our nation.
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Speaker 4: But someone will hold more seats than the other. One
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Speaker 4: I've proposed is a pack between the major parties to
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Speaker 4: squeeze out the cross benches, particularly those on the hard left,
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Speaker 4: and to ensure that we take this opportunity to have
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Speaker 4: a bipartisan economic plan for the country.
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Speaker 2: Fitz Gibbons's right to fear the chaos of a parliament
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Speaker 2: run by the Greens and Teals, but because he was
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Speaker 2: there last time it all happened in twenty ten and
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Speaker 2: saw the consequence circus as a warning to voters like
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Speaker 2: it's given. I wrote about this too in my column
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Speaker 2: on the weekend. I mean, who can forget this bit
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Speaker 2: of political exhibitionism?
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Speaker 5: I'm confirming for the Governor General of Australia that today
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Speaker 5: I'll do what I have always done, ironically and give
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Speaker 5: confidence and supply to government. And in effect that means
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Speaker 5: confidence and supply in Julia Gillard.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, we did not deserve that. Again. The
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Speaker 2: hung parliament elected in twenty ten was not beautiful in
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Speaker 2: its ugliness. Fitsgiven says it was just ugly and he's
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Speaker 2: right to point out to the big parties the shrinking vote.
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Speaker 2: Now he thinks it's shrinking that vote between the two
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Speaker 2: big parties because that explains the lack of political courage.
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Speaker 2: He says, that's characterized our post Hawk and post Howard polity.
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Speaker 2: It's actually the reverse. It's the lack of political courage
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Speaker 2: that explains the shrinking vote. Maybe it's the failure of
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Speaker 2: the big parties to tackle hard issues like the failure
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Speaker 2: of multiculturalism, like the rise of the administrative state. It's
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Speaker 2: made voters jump ship to minor parties that, because they'll
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Speaker 2: never have to run the country, are better at articulating
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Speaker 2: a grievance than coming up with solutions. Fitzgiven says that
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Speaker 2: in the event of a hung parliament, the two big
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Speaker 2: parties should agree now to support whichever of them has
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Speaker 2: the largest number of seats.
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Speaker 6: There's nothing stopping the person the leader who has the
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Speaker 6: second most number of seats saying to the person who
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Speaker 6: has the most number of seats, look, I'll guarantee you
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Speaker 6: supply and conference for an eighteen month period.
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Speaker 2: And as he wrote in The Australian today, the two
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Speaker 2: big parties fits given, should further agree before the election
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Speaker 2: to support an I quote and agreed economic and regulatory
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Speaker 2: reform package to be drafted by a roundtable of relevant stakeholders,
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Speaker 2: including the major parties, premiers and representatives from industry and
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Speaker 2: community sector peak bodies. Now it all sounds like a
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Speaker 2: bit of a rerun of Bob Hawk's bid for national
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Speaker 2: consensus at the nineteen eighty five tax summit. Well, that's right,
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Speaker 2: because that's what it is. That was the meeting whether
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Speaker 2: then Treasurer Paul Keaty's preference for a broad based consumption
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Speaker 2: tax was blocked by an economically more cautious PM in Hawk. Now,
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Speaker 2: the GST that we eventually got was out of that
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Speaker 2: because in the case that came later on, jod Howard
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Speaker 2: had more political courage than Hawk. Or maybe it's some
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Speaker 2: upscale version of the National cabin that Fitzgibbons calling for,
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Speaker 2: which was good at getting agreement in camera, but terrible
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Speaker 2: at making it stick once the Premius got home. So
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Speaker 2: it's on this point that I have to disagree with Fitzgibbon,
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Speaker 2: because this idea that the way to solve our problems
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Speaker 2: is for a whole bunch of fixes to get together
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Speaker 2: behind closed doors in the Parliament and present the electorate
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Speaker 2: with a done deal, well that's exactly what we do
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Speaker 2: not need right now. Indeed, it's this notion of a
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Speaker 2: Uni party, as people like Nigel Farage call it, where
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Speaker 2: nothing much changes regardless of who's in power. That's at
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Speaker 2: the heart of our present discontents. So while I would
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Speaker 2: implore voters on the left to shift their vote to
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Speaker 2: the right, if they won't or they can't, then at
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Speaker 2: the very least don't give it to the Greens. But
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Speaker 2: for Liberals to do some sort of pre election deal
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Speaker 2: with Labor, I'm sorry, Joel, I can't agree. The last
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Speaker 2: thing we need is for Liberals to bow to the
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Speaker 2: labor left. We need a clear contest, a real black
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Speaker 2: and white choice between the two major parties, not an
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Speaker 2: establishment consensus, because liberals looking and sounding like Labor is
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Speaker 2: what's been killing us at a state level, and it's
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Speaker 2: why they're so often in almost permanent opposition. Liberals win
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Speaker 2: elections when they are a party of the conservative right,
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Speaker 2: when they offer voters a distinct choice based on values
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Speaker 2: and convictions, when they stand up to the hard left,
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Speaker 2: not when they try and mimic them, like when Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbat went to the twenty thirteen election with a clear
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Speaker 2: policy to stop the votes, a policy that the rud
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Speaker 2: government furiously opposed, that have it then put into practice. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you want consensus politics, or we got it there
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Speaker 2: then eventually didn't we when Labor gave up its opposition
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Speaker 2: to open borders and adopted the liberal policy that worked
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Speaker 2: and that more or less has held to this day.
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Speaker 2: But let's least give Joel, a decent man who's been
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Speaker 2: a real loss to the parliament, marks for trying if
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Speaker 2: he really wants to avoid a hung parliament, though his
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Speaker 2: side of politics should do what Peter Dutton's already committed
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Speaker 2: to doing. Put the Greens, the extremeist Greens, last on
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Speaker 2: the ballot paper. If Labor's serious about Australia's future, it's
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Speaker 2: got to put the Greens last, as the coalition will do,
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Speaker 2: because both sides. Putting the Greens last and putting forward
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Speaker 2: clear alternative policies that they can actually argue out before
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Speaker 2: the electorate is what we need going into this election.
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Speaker 2: That's the best way to avoid a hung parliament and
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Speaker 2: to get better government that our country needs and that
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Speaker 2: voters might respect. Look tonight on the show, I'll bring
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Speaker 2: you parts of an interview plus some exclusive footage. Horrific
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Speaker 2: in nature of the massacres that much of the media
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Speaker 2: in the West isn't covering the massacres of Christians and
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Speaker 2: other minorities and Muslim controlled countries. In this instance, it's
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Speaker 2: out of Syria. Here is a preview.
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Speaker 7: It Lord Mate's absoures Laud's and everybody just silence. They
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Speaker 7: have no one, they have no one down in the
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Speaker 7: mercy of the hand of this unbelievable this day after day,
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Speaker 7: slaughtered every day, children, women, men, old people. It's just discriminate.
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Speaker 7: It's just unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Now, I was no found in this aside regime in Syria,
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Speaker 2: but any change in the Middle East, as I said
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Speaker 2: at the time in December, well what comes next is
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Speaker 2: always the worry in this part of the world. Be careful,
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Speaker 2: I said, because as bad as a sad is it was,
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Speaker 2: it was a monster. Of course, in some of these places,
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Speaker 2: things can always get worse. Maybe the new regime is
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Speaker 2: actually complicit in these religious killings, maybe it's turning a
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Speaker 2: blind eye to them, or maybe it's just impotent. But
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Speaker 2: it seems religious killings are taking place in post assad
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Speaker 2: Syria on an industrial scale. There's any amount of media
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Speaker 2: coverage of the devastation in Gaza, fair enough too, although
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Speaker 2: it should be said that's part of a war against Hamas,
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Speaker 2: the terror group that's pledged to the destruction of Israel
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Speaker 2: and that uses its own civilians as human shields. But
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Speaker 2: what about the slaughter of innocent people simply on the
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Speaker 2: basis of religion, as is happening to Gaza's north. Here
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Speaker 2: is a reality chick for all the Hummas apologists in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Christians aren't killing anyone simply on the basis of their religion.
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Speaker 2: Jews aren't killing anyone simply on the basis of their religion.
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Speaker 2: But it seems that radical Muslims, some of them at least,
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Speaker 2: are killing people simply on the basis of their religion,
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Speaker 2: including other Muslims who they believe support the wrong brand
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Speaker 2: of Islam. And this is what happens when a religion,
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Speaker 2: or at least too many of its adherents, believes quite
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Speaker 2: little in death to the Infidel. Now, I'm all in
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Speaker 2: favor of treating religions with respect, but this must be reciprocated.
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Speaker 2: And yet, despite all the effort to be welcoming and
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Speaker 2: I support that, has anyone heard a local Muslim leader
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Speaker 2: condemning out his seventies and for instance, rather than complaining
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Speaker 2: about Islamophobia or standing up against the hate preachers and
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Speaker 2: demanding they be jailed or deported on Muslim organizations here
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Speaker 2: who love to tell us that Islam's a religion of peace,
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Speaker 2: speaking out loudly about these Christian massacres in Syria. A
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Speaker 2: little later in the show, I'll talk with Ian hersy
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Speaker 2: Ali as to why the West is so slow to
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Speaker 2: wake up. Lots of views around tonight, we'll get the
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Speaker 2: headlines now Skyny's political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 8: Good evening, former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has doubled and
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Speaker 8: tripled down on his criticism of President Trump.
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Speaker 9: First on television We're just.
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Speaker 10: Going to become just a conger line of sycophants creeping
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Speaker 10: through the White House and later on radio. Surely we
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Speaker 10: should be free to speak the truth or are we
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Speaker 10: going to muzzle ourselves for fear of offending mister Trump.
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Speaker 8: Both major parties have accused one another of seeking to
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Speaker 8: politicize the fake terror plot involving a caravan of explosives
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Speaker 8: found in Sydney's northwest.
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Speaker 10: Mister Duddam's approach was to avoid the AFP and ignore
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Speaker 10: the public advice for Masio.
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke, here is trying to find political opportunity out
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Speaker 3: of a national security issue and frankly should stand condemned.
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Speaker 8: Police now believe the plot was a criminal con despite
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Speaker 8: these initial public comments.
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Speaker 9: This is the discovery of a potential mass casualty event.
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Speaker 11: Is only one way of calling it out, and that
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Speaker 11: is terrorism, and.
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Speaker 6: It's designed to create fear and terror in the community.
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Speaker 8: The Opposition leader has been forced to clarify his stance
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Speaker 8: on the vestiture of insurance firms after he was contradicted
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Speaker 8: by two senior colleagues after first flagging the policy on
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Speaker 8: February sixteen.
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Speaker 3: Similarly, in the insurance market, we will at ELEVENE to
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Speaker 3: make sure that consumers.
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Speaker 9: Get a fair go.
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Speaker 8: In the past week, the Shadow Treasurer and Deputy Liberal
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Speaker 8: Leader have walked his comments back.
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Speaker 7: Not insurance, No, we do.
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Speaker 10: Not propose divestiture with respect to insurance companies.
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Speaker 8: Seeking to clear things up, we will divest if that's
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Speaker 8: what's required to get competition into the marketplace. Cameron Reddin's
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Speaker 8: Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All I got to get across. There isn't there. I'm
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Speaker 2: joined now by excuse me, Sky News Political editor Andrew Clennell. Andrew, welcome.
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Speaker 2: We just saw there from can major developments today in
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Speaker 2: the case of this uteral caravan, originally thought to be
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Speaker 2: a plot for mass casually events at terror events described
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Speaker 2: by our whole lot of leaders there now ruled to
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Speaker 2: be an elaborate hoax by organized crime. Let's put the
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Speaker 2: law enforcement fall out on this to one side. Let's
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Speaker 2: look at the politics here, because those claims from Tony
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Speaker 2: Burke today this attempted hit on Peter Dutton, as we
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Speaker 2: just saw. Everything Dalton said at the time was also
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Speaker 2: reiterated by the Prime Minister and the Premier Chris Mins.
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Speaker 2: I reckon this looks desperate, don't you.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think if anything, the AFP has done the
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Speaker 12: government a favor because it takes the heat out of
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Speaker 12: it after this. Of course the government passed opposition ideas
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Speaker 12: for harsh laws because they were under such pressure on
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Speaker 12: this issue. But in terms of desperate I think you're
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Speaker 12: going to see a lot more attacks on Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 12: They've started up pretty hard. The fundraiser got some traction.
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton was in his house in Brisbane when any
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Speaker 12: sort of bad weather was near. But it's still getting traction.
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Speaker 12: Then they've come out on the attack on this. I
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Speaker 12: saw some of the full page ads when I was
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Speaker 12: in Western Australia for the WA election which have a
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Speaker 12: big picture of Peter Dutton and talk about nuclear power,
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Speaker 12: putting up power bills and that sort of thing. It's
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Speaker 12: going to be a very personal campaign and there's plenty
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Speaker 12: for Peter Dutton to work with in terms of the
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Speaker 12: unpopularity of Anthony Alban Easy. It seems to me Labor
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Speaker 12: are going to go all out at Dutton.
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Speaker 7: Peter.
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Speaker 13: This is just the start of it.
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Speaker 12: There's going to be forty five days or so more
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Speaker 12: of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you bring the media a long time though, mate,
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Speaker 2: Why does it get traction? You know this criticism of
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Speaker 2: what Dutton said at the time, when two minutes on YouTube,
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Speaker 2: I've confined everything the Prime Minister said at the time,
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Speaker 2: which was the same and Chris Mins at the time.
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Speaker 2: Yet media runs it for most of today that it
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Speaker 2: run the whole suite of other comments from the time.
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Speaker 2: The point you make there about the fundraiser, well, we
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Speaker 2: know that PM. The PM goes from the crisis in
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Speaker 2: Alice Springs to events in Melbourne. He went to the
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Speaker 2: tennis of course, we know that famously, but he also
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Speaker 2: in the middle or the aftermath of the synagogue bombing
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, he crossed the country to Perth for a fundraiser.
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Speaker 2: So why isn't there some balance in this report?
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Speaker 12: Well, I mean he copped a big time at that time,
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Speaker 12: I've got to say. But sometimes it mystifies me why
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Speaker 12: certain stories, if you like, get traction and others don't.
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Speaker 12: But you just hear it from talking to regular people.
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Speaker 12: And someone mentioned the fundraiser thing to me. I didn't
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Speaker 12: think anyone would pay any attention because it was it
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Speaker 12: was a few days before. But you can see what
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Speaker 12: they're doing here. They've done the Shares story on him.
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Speaker 12: They've done the property story on him. They've got hold
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Speaker 12: of this fundraiser. I suspect they've they pushed that along themselves.
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Speaker 12: I mean, certainly they've they've picked it up, even if
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Speaker 12: they haven't pushed it out. But I suspect they pushed
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Speaker 12: it out. And you know that they're taking every opportunity
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Speaker 12: to attack Dunt and it's going to keep going. I mean,
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Speaker 12: it's it's just absolute scrap over the difference between seventy
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Speaker 12: one and sixty five seeds for the Labor.
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Speaker 9: Party, and that's what it is.
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Speaker 12: And the title it gets maybe the dirtier it gets.
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Speaker 2: The question is whether that works. Go back to the
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Speaker 2: United States and then through everything, including the judicial system
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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, it only locked his people anymore. And yes,
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Speaker 2: it's not the same system as we have here. You
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Speaker 2: to get out the vote, but delivered him a landslide.
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Speaker 2: And when I talk to Costamrus, he says this sort
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Speaker 2: of muck breaking, but I don't like it. It comes
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Speaker 2: up unprompted in the focus groups, but I don't want
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Speaker 2: to see it in Australian politics. So you've got a
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Speaker 2: question whether this is going to work for them or
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Speaker 2: against them.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's always the risk. But I think negative works,
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Speaker 12: and I think you'll see the Liberals go pretty negative
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Speaker 12: on Anthony Albanesia. It's the thing that sticks with people Australians.
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Speaker 12: You know, they have compulsory voting much different to the US,
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Speaker 12: and they don't and they're more sinning about politicians. So
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Speaker 12: when they hear bad things about policy.
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Speaker 2: Negative works. I think negative works in policy terms. Mate,
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Speaker 2: I'm not convinced, and history's got plenty of examples. I'm
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Speaker 2: not convinced. Personal negative works.
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Speaker 12: Well, you can get into the alleged competence of people
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Speaker 12: as well. I guess you could call that personal the
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Speaker 12: bill you can't afford. I think that was pretty effective
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Speaker 12: on Bill Shorten. Morrison went hard after shortened on twenty
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Speaker 12: nineteen and it worked.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think when you go to them about
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Speaker 2: competence record, I think all of that's fair game and
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Speaker 2: I think that's about politics or policy performance. But I
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Speaker 2: think when you go after their family. I remember famously
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Speaker 2: when Bill Shorton was facing those rape charges, Tony Abbott
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Speaker 2: was Prime Minister and Tony Abbott said we will not
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Speaker 2: have this discust in the media and we never went there.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the difference between the limbs and labor
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Speaker 2: in my experience. Hey, you know a fair bit about Wa.
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Speaker 2: This is where you're from. There was some big swings
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Speaker 2: on the weekend. There was one seat in particular, the
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Speaker 2: Lib's got a swing of twenty percent, but they didn't
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Speaker 2: win the seat. It was a twenty three percent seat.
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Speaker 2: They made some inrows into labor, but a shocking result
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Speaker 2: for them. They started obviously with twenty with two seats
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Speaker 2: only in the fifty nine seat lower House in Wa,
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Speaker 2: and they've ended up at a Saturday night with just
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Speaker 2: five seats, nine still in doubt. Blame game today, a
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Speaker 2: lot of mud being thrown around, calls for the entire
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Speaker 2: liberal state executive to be culled and replaced. Give me
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Speaker 2: your take out of the weekend and how much do
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Speaker 2: you think translates federally.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think they'll get eight seats and the Nats
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Speaker 12: will get five. That's judging on who's leading now, that
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Speaker 12: might be seven. So yeah, it is a very poor result,
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Speaker 12: but you know, thirteen or whatever's better than the six
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Speaker 12: or seven they had. It's a long road back for them.
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Speaker 12: What I found intriguing and highlighted on Saturday during our
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Speaker 12: coverage is they were getting really negligible swings or just
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Speaker 12: not what you'd expect in the absolute traditional blue ribbon seats.
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Speaker 12: South Perth didn't win it, Nedlands just fell over the line,
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Speaker 12: god Islow just fell over the line. But in the
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Speaker 12: mortgage belt seats where cost of living was an issue,
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Speaker 12: will bear it from a low base. After the mcgow
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Speaker 12: and Covid election, they were getting well above the state swing,
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Speaker 12: and particularly in a seat like Pierce, which the Liberals
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Speaker 12: think they're slightly behind end but they might be able
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Speaker 12: to snare. And definitely in Bullwinkle, which I think the
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Speaker 12: Liberals or Nats will likely win. So there was a
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Speaker 12: little bit there still for Peter Dutton, a little bit
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Speaker 12: of encouragement from what I've heard from the strategists that
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Speaker 12: out of suburban reflection or should I say that out
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Speaker 12: of suburban trend is reflected in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.
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Speaker 12: And I think that's why you know you're looking at
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Speaker 12: a minimum sort of seven to eight seat losses for
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Speaker 12: Labor no matter what, so and Peter Upmore obviously be
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Speaker 12: wanting to push that up to fifteen. So I think
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Speaker 12: there was there was something there for everyone, really but
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Speaker 12: there is that thing we've been phenomenon, we've been watching
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Speaker 12: for quite some time now, which is the well off
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Speaker 12: are not just parking their vote with the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 12: They've gone to the tills and in some cases they've
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Speaker 12: even gone to Labor. If you look at a seat
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Speaker 12: like Higgins in Victoria, whereas the outer suburban areas are
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Speaker 12: more for the taking for the Coalition now. Peter Dutton
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Speaker 12: when he was elected party leader he basically said this
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Speaker 12: and if anything, I think.
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Speaker 9: The West Australian election reflects.
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Speaker 12: This, and it's something that's occurred in the US and
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Speaker 12: the UK and it's definitely occurring here the Conservative the
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Speaker 12: Conservative vote is more placed in outer suburban seats these days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and particularly I made this point last night two,
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Speaker 2: particularly when you've got an incumbent Labor government governing from
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Speaker 2: the Labor right, less ground there for the Liberals to
21:06
Speaker 2: come after, Thanks Andrew Right. Pete Upton has told The
21:10
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph that the Labor Party of Bob Hawk is
21:13
Speaker 2: long gone after research by the Institute of Public Affairs
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Speaker 2: found eighty two percent of the current Labor MPs come
21:20
Speaker 2: from so called insider backgrounds, rising up as union officials,
21:25
Speaker 2: political staff, as advisors, indeed lobbyists. Author of the report
21:29
Speaker 2: Rise of the Insiders and Director of Research at the
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Speaker 2: IPA is Morgan Beak. Morgan, thank you for your time.
21:36
Speaker 2: I think this is such good reading for anyone wondering
21:40
Speaker 2: what our parliament might look like, not just at this
21:44
Speaker 2: next election and afterwards obviously, but beyond that. Your research
21:48
Speaker 2: is under covered a substantial rise in the number of
21:51
Speaker 2: insiders within the Labor Party, particularly though over the last
21:56
Speaker 2: few years.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly right, Peter.
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Speaker 1: You know, what we've identified is that those in Canberra,
22:05
Speaker 1: and in particular in the Labor Party that are driving
22:08
Speaker 1: the political debate in this country are increasingly disconnected from
22:12
Speaker 1: the experiences of those outside Canberra. And what we found
22:16
Speaker 1: when we looked at the occupational backgrounds of MPs going
22:19
Speaker 1: back to nineteen oh one. Back then only fifteen percent
22:24
Speaker 1: of MPs across the entire parliament could be said to
22:27
Speaker 1: have been from an insider background. Now in the current parliament,
22:32
Speaker 1: sixty percent of all MPs had immediate previous employment as staffers,
22:38
Speaker 1: as union officials, party officials, public servants and consultants and lobbyists.
22:44
Speaker 1: So it's no surprise that people feel in the community
22:49
Speaker 1: that they no longer have a say over the big
22:51
Speaker 1: decisions that are being made in their name in Canberra. Clearly,
22:55
Speaker 1: our democracy is being degraded and in many cases it
22:59
Speaker 1: leads to worse policy outcomes.
23:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, Margan, I just asked my team to put those
23:05
Speaker 2: graphs up again and leave them there a bit longer
23:08
Speaker 2: so people can see what your tables show. But you
23:10
Speaker 2: can see they're the red bars Labor, the blue bars
23:14
Speaker 2: the Coalition. And there's such a massive rise there in
23:17
Speaker 2: terms of the insider occupations across Labor. The first one
23:21
Speaker 2: there is nineteen seventy four right through to the current parliament.
23:25
Speaker 2: There's also a big difference in the proportion of MPs
23:28
Speaker 2: in Parliament with university degrees compared to the general population, isn't.
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Speaker 9: There That's right.
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Speaker 1: So in our research we identified that in the current
23:38
Speaker 1: parliament more than three quarters of all MPs having university degree.
23:44
Speaker 1: In the wider Australian community it's about one third. And
23:47
Speaker 1: what we also found is that of those MPs that
23:51
Speaker 1: have been to university, they're actually average more than two
23:55
Speaker 1: university degrees each. So what that says is that there
24:00
Speaker 1: is a significant number of parliamentarians who have spent a
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Speaker 1: major amount of time of their adult lives inside the
24:08
Speaker 1: university system. Now, what's the big problem with university as well?
24:13
Speaker 1: What we know about universities in the modern era is
24:15
Speaker 1: that they're increasingly censorious, have strict and rigid speech codes,
24:20
Speaker 1: and there's very little tolerance and a great deal of
24:23
Speaker 1: antagonism to academic freedom and open debate. So what you
24:27
Speaker 1: have this cohort of people who leave that environment and
24:31
Speaker 1: bring that sort of bring those attitudes into the Parliament
24:36
Speaker 1: where decisions are being made and ostensibly where have been
24:40
Speaker 1: debate about laws is taking place.
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Speaker 2: I think that ends up with a parliament that doesn't understand,
24:50
Speaker 2: doesn't represent, but doesn't understand the views of all and
24:53
Speaker 2: re Australians. Thanks very much, Morgan. Great reading. Go to
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Speaker 2: the IPA website there if you want to read that
24:58
Speaker 2: report in full. I make the point too, you can
25:00
Speaker 2: be university educated as I am, but still understand where
25:04
Speaker 2: ordinary people are because I had a mum and dad,
25:06
Speaker 2: neither of them who finished high school. That would be
25:09
Speaker 2: also something I don't want to look at the research.
25:11
Speaker 2: Look at the university educated MPs and where their parents are.
25:14
Speaker 2: How connected are they to the real world? Morgan, Big
25:18
Speaker 2: There ego all right. After the break, recession fears mount
25:21
Speaker 2: in the United States. Is Trump pushes ahead with his
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Speaker 2: tariffs glass Malcolm Turnbull doubling down in his war of
25:27
Speaker 2: words with the US President. Critics now say his trashed
25:30
Speaker 2: Australia's chance of any tariff carveout welcome back still the
25:39
Speaker 2: coming exclusive footage out of harrowing scenes in Syria Christian
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Speaker 2: minorities slaughters, as we hear from an Australian Syrian on
25:46
Speaker 2: the ground the first. With the US stock market losing
25:49
Speaker 2: a stagree fought trillion dollars overnight, there are increasing fears
25:53
Speaker 2: the US could slip into recession. In what was the
25:56
Speaker 2: worst day in Wall Street since the twenty twenty pandemic,
26:00
Speaker 2: is panicked over tariff fears, and that's been blamed for
26:03
Speaker 2: the meltdown. Chief economist at the IPA formerly at Australia
26:07
Speaker 2: and Crichton from Washington joins us, Now, hey, we'll get
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Speaker 2: to all of this chit chat about tariff's and Australia's
26:14
Speaker 2: possible exemption, but give us a sense of what you're
26:18
Speaker 2: seeing play out the United States. The President was pushed
26:21
Speaker 2: to rule out the chance of a recession and he declined, well, look,
26:26
Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 13: That that was justifiable honesty.
26:28
Speaker 14: And I think Trumps second time round is going to
26:30
Speaker 14: be monist because he doesn't have to be re elected, Okay,
26:33
Speaker 14: so he can be far more honest with the American people.
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Speaker 13: And there could well be a recession. He's in a
26:37
Speaker 13: four year term.
26:38
Speaker 14: There is a if there's a recession for one or
26:40
Speaker 14: two years, then things could still be good by the
26:42
Speaker 14: fourth year, and his successor.
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Speaker 13: May get back in and he may think of it
26:46
Speaker 13: like that.
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Speaker 14: Most of the formal models, if you look at the
26:48
Speaker 14: Golden Saxes and the JP Morgans of the world, the
26:51
Speaker 14: probability of a recession is about twenty five percent over
26:53
Speaker 14: the next twelve months, so not great, but some economists
26:56
Speaker 14: say it's much higher because of the diabolical situation of
26:59
Speaker 14: the US federal which basically makes ours look amazing. I mean,
27:03
Speaker 14: they're facing two trillion dollar deficits every single year. Public
27:06
Speaker 14: dead is already one hundred percent of GDP, same level
27:09
Speaker 14: as the Second World War. This obviously can't go on forever,
27:12
Speaker 14: and that at the same time you're going to have
27:13
Speaker 14: these big spending cuts. Seemingly you go through doge and
27:16
Speaker 14: that's a great thing, but in the short term that
27:18
Speaker 14: can be extremely disruptive, certainly for those people who lose
27:21
Speaker 14: their jobs in the federal public sector.
27:23
Speaker 13: And then of course the tariffs, which we'll get to.
27:25
Speaker 14: You know, this kind of on again off again basically
27:28
Speaker 14: causes a business investment strike. I mean, if you're a
27:30
Speaker 14: big company right now, you would just stop investment until
27:33
Speaker 14: you know what's going on. And that's a big and
27:35
Speaker 14: very important part of the US economy.
27:37
Speaker 2: Is there longer term or medium term upside for tariffs
27:41
Speaker 2: in the US for American companies?
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Speaker 14: Look, maybe, I mean the traditional classical answer is no,
27:47
Speaker 14: that tariffs are very, very bad. But my argument for
27:49
Speaker 14: this is that the reason the tariffs are coming in
27:51
Speaker 14: is not actually stated publicly, and that's because there is
27:54
Speaker 14: no way to lift taxes in the US except for tariffs,
27:57
Speaker 14: and they have to close the deficits somehow, and they're
28:00
Speaker 14: not going to have a consumption tax and they're not
28:01
Speaker 14: going to lift income tax. So the only way to
28:03
Speaker 14: do it, I think is tariff's. Of course Trump doesn't
28:05
Speaker 14: say that, but I think some of the hard heads
28:07
Speaker 14: of the Treasury would be saying, look, we have to
28:08
Speaker 14: bridge this gap somehow, and you can make the political
28:11
Speaker 14: argument that you're going to bring back all the jobs. Now, certainly,
28:13
Speaker 14: in some cases that happens, but most economists will say
28:16
Speaker 14: that in net terms it does not.
28:17
Speaker 13: We'll just have to wait and see.
28:19
Speaker 2: As the migrants coming across the border, arguably going into
28:24
Speaker 2: to low, low paid jobs. Has that had an impact
28:28
Speaker 2: the undocumented migrants.
28:29
Speaker 14: Well, certainly it does put downward pressure on wages, and
28:33
Speaker 14: that's bad for the sorts of people who vote for
28:35
Speaker 14: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 13: And so I think that is partly the economic reason.
28:38
Speaker 14: I mean, he often catches it as a crime issue,
28:41
Speaker 14: but I think there's the economic issue there that it
28:43
Speaker 14: has downward pressure on wages and probably a.
28:46
Speaker 2: Sorry accounts for the growth in his Hispanic vote.
28:49
Speaker 13: Oh yes, certainly, certainly.
28:50
Speaker 14: I mean he's had huge growth in the vote in
28:52
Speaker 14: that group, you know, And he's probably also where that
28:54
Speaker 14: these tariffs are going to increase prices for these people
28:57
Speaker 14: in some goods, and so he wants some upward pressure
28:59
Speaker 14: on wages at the same time to correct that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to some comments from someone and we
29:02
Speaker 2: both know, well, Malcolm turnmwull he opened up a front
29:06
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump some time ago. Trump responded, so picked
29:10
Speaker 2: up very quickly by the President and he goes on
29:13
Speaker 2: truth social and then of course Malcolm Turnbill can't help himself,
29:17
Speaker 2: doubles down last night. Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 10: I do not believe you should give in to bullies
29:22
Speaker 10: right now. What Trump's Trump wants people to suck up
29:26
Speaker 10: to him and to be sicker fantic. Pretty much all
29:29
Speaker 10: the people I've seen international leaders that have sucked up
29:33
Speaker 10: to Trump and been sicker fans have been run over.
29:38
Speaker 2: Now on the coffin for tariff for exemptions for Australia.
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Speaker 13: Do you think, oh, look, I think it certainly is.
29:42
Speaker 13: But I mean that said, I don't think that we
29:44
Speaker 13: were going to get an exception anyway.
29:46
Speaker 14: But this is very unhelpful and I really think the
29:47
Speaker 14: form Prime Minister should have, you know, basically kept his
29:50
Speaker 14: mouth shut on this.
29:50
Speaker 13: I mean, he knows what Trump's like. He knows Trump well,
29:52
Speaker 13: he's met him many times.
29:54
Speaker 14: And there was a very good chance that Trump would
29:56
Speaker 14: seize on those comments because his advisers will be showing
29:58
Speaker 14: you in these comments from various other leaders.
30:00
Speaker 13: Then he read it, and then he.
30:01
Speaker 2: Particular because he picked up the first round of comments,
30:04
Speaker 2: so he knows that he's watching and listening and reading.
30:06
Speaker 2: Then to do it again right when the decisions in
30:09
Speaker 2: the office, I think that's dangerous.
30:12
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, and I think it's pretty clear.
30:13
Speaker 14: First time around in twenty eighteen when we did get
30:16
Speaker 14: an exemption, I think that that was I think the
30:18
Speaker 14: US administration was not happy about that at the time,
30:20
Speaker 14: and so I think this time, you know they're not
30:22
Speaker 14: going to give it.
30:23
Speaker 13: But that said, I don't think the first round.
30:24
Speaker 14: Effects of the tariffs on Australia will be that bad,
30:27
Speaker 14: but how exports to the US are actually quite low.
30:29
Speaker 14: I think the secondary effects of tariffs on China they're
30:32
Speaker 14: far more worrying for Australia.
30:33
Speaker 2: I know you watch energy closely. You've watched it from
30:36
Speaker 2: AFAR in the United States and all the global movements.
30:38
Speaker 2: But what do you think of a place like Victoria.
30:40
Speaker 2: State like Victoria energy rich? No, don't believe the lie
30:45
Speaker 2: about this gas shortage we've got. We've got to supply shortage,
30:48
Speaker 2: but plenty of gas in the ground. We are about
30:50
Speaker 2: to spend millions and demand every other stateship in by
30:53
Speaker 2: the federal government to put LNG input terminals in Victoria
30:59
Speaker 2: to supply the gas that we will not dig the
31:01
Speaker 2: ground out of.
31:02
Speaker 14: Well, the first thing is the contrast with the US
31:04
Speaker 14: is just extraordinary. Just over there, it's drill, drill, drill,
31:06
Speaker 14: as the President famously says, and it is extraordinary. I
31:09
Speaker 14: think that we have a shortage. I mean, it's so
31:11
Speaker 14: ridiculous to me that we're importing LNG when we have
31:14
Speaker 14: so much gas ourselves. And the sad thing is the
31:17
Speaker 14: electric doesn't seem to see the madness of this. And
31:19
Speaker 14: of course it all stems from these net zero policies,
31:21
Speaker 14: which are economically insane. So look, we really have to
31:25
Speaker 14: fix this in Victoria in particular, where we are right now.
31:28
Speaker 14: These rules are crazy. And as the resource boom, eventually
31:32
Speaker 14: Peter's off. I mean, you're already seeing China's demand for
31:35
Speaker 14: iore is falling. We need new industries, we need new investment,
31:39
Speaker 14: and so these bands are just crazy.
31:40
Speaker 2: And the rest of the world's changing their mind. I mean,
31:42
Speaker 2: the rest of the world is coming around radically to
31:44
Speaker 2: a return of fossil fuels and nuclear We're one percent
31:48
Speaker 2: of the problem, and were this enormous laggard.
31:50
Speaker 13: Yeap, certainly that is true.
31:51
Speaker 14: I mean, we should be looking at Europe and seeing
31:52
Speaker 14: what's happening, and I think it is happening. I mean,
31:54
Speaker 14: my personal view is the high water mark of net
31:56
Speaker 14: zero fanaticism has passed, has subsided.
31:59
Speaker 13: I think we're going down the other side.
32:01
Speaker 2: I hope you're right, behin madam, thank you. Right after
32:05
Speaker 2: the break that exclusive footage Christian massacres happening right now
32:08
Speaker 2: in Syria, harrowing and surely shocking that it's not getting
32:11
Speaker 2: a sort of global condemnation. It should welcome back to
32:19
Speaker 2: the car. More pressure mounting in the Victorian government as
32:22
Speaker 2: calls for bail reform have fallen on deaf ears. But
32:26
Speaker 2: first in recent days, users started to appear outside of
32:29
Speaker 2: Syria exposing the scale of the atrocities that are being
32:33
Speaker 2: committed against Christian minorities following the overthrow of the Assad
32:37
Speaker 2: regime last December. The images are horrific. Men, women, the
32:42
Speaker 2: elderly and children, all murdered in cold blood by Islamist terrorists,
32:47
Speaker 2: including the Hire to Hear al Sham, the HDS group,
32:51
Speaker 2: which is designated as a terrorist organization here in Australia.
32:55
Speaker 2: This afternoon, my good friend four BC radio host Gary
32:58
Speaker 2: Hargrave was able to speak to a Brisbane man who
33:01
Speaker 2: returned to Syria to bury his mother, who was one
33:05
Speaker 2: of those murdered. He has since had to flee to
33:08
Speaker 2: a safe country in order to speak out publicly about
33:12
Speaker 2: what is happening to Christians there.
33:15
Speaker 15: A Brisbane bloke I know, I know well has been
33:18
Speaker 15: directly affected. He's a real contributor to our local community.
33:23
Speaker 15: But he's in hiding right now. He's shocked by what's happened.
33:27
Speaker 15: You see, he had to rush from the safety of
33:29
Speaker 15: here in Brisbane to the murderous anarchy of Syria to
33:33
Speaker 15: bury his mother. He's witnessed this genocide, He's felt the
33:39
Speaker 15: hurt directly.
33:42
Speaker 7: Now.
33:42
Speaker 2: Accompanying this footage which was sent to Gary, some of
33:46
Speaker 2: which I'll show you in the moment, is some truly
33:48
Speaker 2: shocking images. Understandably, this Australian Syrian man wants to remain anonymous,
33:55
Speaker 2: but here's a little of what he had to say
33:57
Speaker 2: to Gary this afternoon.
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Speaker 7: Slaughter, mate, it's absolute slaughter. It's and and everybody just silence.
34:08
Speaker 7: They have no one, they have no one. Then then then,
34:12
Speaker 7: in the mercy of the hand of this unbelievable this
34:18
Speaker 7: day after day slaughtered, every day, children, women, men, old people.
34:25
Speaker 7: It's just discriminate. It's just unbelievable, and there's.
34:31
Speaker 2: A heavily sense in videos you can understand why they
34:33
Speaker 2: were sent to Gary. Bodies on the streets were also
34:37
Speaker 2: set videos of beheadings and footage of mass graves.
34:42
Speaker 7: Now people come and get out. If you do, you
34:44
Speaker 7: just they stop you and they say, what are you
34:48
Speaker 7: a Christian? You well, you're who you are, and that's it.
34:52
Speaker 2: Slaughter happened, As I said, horrific images that appear not
34:57
Speaker 2: to have made it to the attention of the United Nations.
35:00
Speaker 2: So any other of the global bodies that purport to
35:02
Speaker 2: defend human rights joining me now to discuss this, Credlin
35:06
Speaker 2: regular the author Ian Hersiali. I am welcome to the program.
35:11
Speaker 2: I wish I had something better to discuss, but this
35:13
Speaker 2: is something that is not getting much attention amongst the
35:17
Speaker 2: Western media. So why not?
35:21
Speaker 11: Why not is a very good question.
35:24
Speaker 16: First of all, obviously the images you show and what's
35:27
Speaker 16: happening in Syria is shocking, but in a way it's
35:32
Speaker 16: not shocking because one in seven Christians is subjected to
35:36
Speaker 16: persecution across Muslim majority countries. It's happening in Syria as
35:41
Speaker 16: you say now, but also in Iraq, in Nigeria, in
35:44
Speaker 16: Kyegyzstan and Kazakhstan. And I mean, I really don't know
35:49
Speaker 16: why our Western leaders are silent. I suspect it is
35:54
Speaker 16: because they're afraid because we have large numbers of Muslims
35:58
Speaker 16: living in most major Western countries. And another story that
36:04
Speaker 16: is not at ald before it gets to the slitting
36:07
Speaker 16: of frauds, radical Muslims begin by vandalizing churches, and an
36:13
Speaker 16: underreported story is the attacks on churches in France, in Britain,
36:17
Speaker 16: in Germany, Spain, Italy, Sweden, and.
36:21
Speaker 11: It escalates from there.
36:22
Speaker 16: So I am suspicious that it is because our leadership
36:27
Speaker 16: are really afraid that some of the radical Muslims on
36:31
Speaker 16: our soil will start doing here in Western countries what
36:36
Speaker 16: they're doing in Syria and in Iraq and in Nigeria
36:38
Speaker 16: and other places.
36:41
Speaker 2: I'll look, I ma the point that I a Jewish gathering.
36:44
Speaker 2: You know, standing up for anti Semitism is the job
36:46
Speaker 2: of every Australian, but it's a particular job of Christians too,
36:49
Speaker 2: because once they come for the Jews, let me tell you,
36:53
Speaker 2: history shows that Christians are next. And what concerns me
36:57
Speaker 2: in all of this debate, and we can speak to
37:00
Speaker 2: the Western governments they need to do and say more.
37:03
Speaker 2: But where are the international bodies? Where's the UN here?
37:06
Speaker 2: Where's all the human rights lobby groups? They're very silent too,
37:10
Speaker 2: I am.
37:12
Speaker 11: Human rights has become a joke now.
37:15
Speaker 16: It is a good question to ask where are these
37:18
Speaker 16: institutions And the answer is that all of these institutions
37:22
Speaker 16: have been infiltrated by people who are beholden to the
37:26
Speaker 16: ideology of Islamism.
37:28
Speaker 11: They're the ones who pull the shots.
37:30
Speaker 16: There was a Human Rights body of the United Nations
37:34
Speaker 16: and it's led by Iran and by countries like you know,
37:40
Speaker 16: at one.
37:41
Speaker 11: Time Blibya was even a part of it. So the
37:44
Speaker 11: UN as an organization is a joke, you know, when
37:50
Speaker 11: you say.
37:52
Speaker 16: Where are when you say they're going to come for Christians,
37:55
Speaker 16: they'll come for the Jews fast and then for the
37:57
Speaker 16: Christians they did come for the Christian On July twenty six,
38:01
Speaker 16: twenty sixteen, a priest in France was preaching in the
38:05
Speaker 16: Normandy church and two nineteen year old Muslims walked in
38:09
Speaker 16: and slit his throat. So we've had such we've had
38:13
Speaker 16: all what we call terrorist attacks so basically attacks on
38:16
Speaker 16: Christians the way they see it. Even if you're secular,
38:19
Speaker 16: they still see it as attacks from Christianity.
38:22
Speaker 11: So I think there is a very.
38:25
Speaker 16: Suicidal attitude the presence of this problem from our political leaders.
38:33
Speaker 16: But I think more and more populations are getting alarmed.
38:39
Speaker 2: Here in Australia too. We had a radicalized young person
38:43
Speaker 2: scream out Islavic Chance and attempt to slip the throat,
38:47
Speaker 2: certainly stabbed an Australian Christian bishop. Now that's died in
38:51
Speaker 2: the headlines. I'm not even sure where those charges are
38:55
Speaker 2: up to. I'll ask the question and come back to
38:56
Speaker 2: my viewers tomorrow night. But it's certainly benefit to sadly
38:59
Speaker 2: here in Australia too. I've got to ask you about Ramadan.
39:02
Speaker 2: I made the point last night. It's coinciding this time
39:06
Speaker 2: around with Lent. We're seeing the King and Queen of England.
39:09
Speaker 2: They've attended a restaurant for a Ramadan event. We've seen
39:13
Speaker 2: them host an if Tar event at Windsor Castle, the
39:15
Speaker 2: first time a Muslim event's been held there to this
39:18
Speaker 2: scale in a thousand years now. The King is the
39:22
Speaker 2: head of the Church of England. The UK Prime Minister
39:26
Speaker 2: Kirstarmer is supposed to support Judeo Christian underpinnings of his
39:30
Speaker 2: own country. Both of those men did not acknowledge ash
39:34
Speaker 2: Wednesday and the beginning of the Christian Lent. Why on
39:38
Speaker 2: earth are we in the West so embarrassed by our
39:42
Speaker 2: own culture.
39:45
Speaker 16: I can't think of anything more wrong headed than hosting
39:49
Speaker 16: the Ramadan at Windsor Castle. I'll tell you what Kiir
39:54
Speaker 16: Sam thinks this gesture is going to do. He thinks
39:59
Speaker 16: it's going to peace the Islamists, that it will pull
40:02
Speaker 16: them towards peaceful coexistence. It's going to do the exact opposite.
40:09
Speaker 16: It's going to encourage Islamists and think, Look, we're in
40:11
Speaker 16: Windsor Castle now and the Allah hu Akbar is ringing
40:15
Speaker 16: in the halls of Wensor Castle, and that is going
40:18
Speaker 16: to strengthen the resolve of Islamists to continue to proselytize
40:23
Speaker 16: that they are going to take over Europe, that they're
40:25
Speaker 16: going to take over the West. And so I can't
40:28
Speaker 16: think of anything more wrongheaden than that. My advice to
40:32
Speaker 16: the King and to the Prime Minister and to all
40:34
Speaker 16: other Western leaders is a to wake up and be
40:38
Speaker 16: to stand up for Christianity, for Christian morality, for Western values,
40:42
Speaker 16: and to make it crystal clear to the Islamists that
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Speaker 16: they cannot do in the West what they're doing in
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Speaker 16: Syria and in Iraq, et cetera. We should also tie
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Speaker 16: it as a master of policy to our foreign policy
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Speaker 16: and development aid that those countries where these things happen
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Speaker 16: should get no tread or aid old relations from the West.
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Speaker 11: That is how I would do it, But I'm not
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Speaker 11: in church.
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Speaker 2: We wish where I am, and I'll tell you what
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Speaker 2: you know. I stand in awe of your moral clarity
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Speaker 2: on these very challenging issues that are facing not just
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Speaker 2: Australia but the wider Western world. Thank you, as always
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Speaker 2: Sick next week, Pila calm. You won't believe the comments
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Speaker 2: from the new South Wales Minister for Women when it
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Speaker 2: comes to transit women to the biological men in female
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Speaker 2: change rooms, plus the teals in real trouble at the
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Speaker 2: next election you're polling want to suggests that's the case.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Let's bring in my panel Daily Telling journalist
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Speaker 2: James Willis and the peral Senator of South Australia, alex Antique. Gents. Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Will start with a crime crisis in Victoria. The Herald
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Speaker 2: Sun today revealing that the former police commissioner, this is
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Speaker 2: Shane Patton, who lost the confidence of his members, was
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Speaker 2: lobbying the state government to have bailed laws reformed about
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Speaker 2: two weeks before he was sacked. Suggested reforms in the
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Speaker 2: paper said that the premier had rejected them. That they're
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Speaker 2: on the screen minimum three sets of bail, then remand
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Speaker 2: exceptional circumstances to avoid remand all of that's there. This
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Speaker 2: is the sort of reform that Melbourne woman Adel Andrews,
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Speaker 2: who joined me last night here after machete wielding thungs
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Speaker 2: broke into a family home, says, we must have let's
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Speaker 2: get these bail laws right. Let's get some consequences happening
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Speaker 2: for these people that are or these juveniles that are
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Speaker 2: going around terrorizing people in their homes alex And yet
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Speaker 2: the premier still says no way.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, pet, I mean, look, we see this all over
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Speaker 17: the world. We've left wing governments. Frankly, we see it
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Speaker 17: in California with people barging in and out of shops
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Speaker 17: because the laws have been downgraded in some states. I
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Speaker 17: think you know that there are no pedalt is for
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Speaker 17: certain dollar values when people shoplift and steel. So this
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Speaker 17: is an ongoing problem and the people of Victoria have
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Speaker 17: a right to know more about this, to know why
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Speaker 17: it is that this government says that there shouldn't be
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Speaker 17: stronger laws. And I think there's another layer to this
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Speaker 17: as well, and that is what is it that is
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Speaker 17: happening in our community that is allowing this to run rampant.
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Speaker 17: I mean, you know, certainly strong laws are one aspect
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Speaker 17: of it, but I think there are some bigger systemic
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Speaker 17: problems here, like the breakdown and the family unit, the
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Speaker 17: fact that people parents have to be away sometimes in
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Speaker 17: order to work. I was talking to the people from
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Speaker 17: the African community here in Adelaide yesterday and they were
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Speaker 17: making that exact point. There are things we should be
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Speaker 17: doing at a higher level in addition to strong laws.
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Speaker 17: But the labor government Victoria has got a long way
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Speaker 17: to go to get this one back on track.
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Speaker 2: Alex people put it to me though, that she can't
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Speaker 2: afford to have more prisoners, and it's coming down to
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Speaker 2: the parlor state of Victoria's finances. That's what's driving a
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Speaker 2: lot of romand decisions that she can't afford or Victoria
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Speaker 2: can't afford should be able to, but can't afford to
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Speaker 2: have as many people that are charged locked up and remanked.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, and look, but I'm looking back and find money
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Speaker 17: for all sorts of other frolics like renewable energy projects
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Speaker 17: and all sorts of other things. Whereas wrong, you know,
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Speaker 17: we find the basic amenities getting overlooked. Where are the
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Speaker 17: priorities here? Victorians should be safe in their homes and
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Speaker 17: that should be almost top of the tree. I would
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Speaker 17: have thought.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Daily Telegraph, your paper, James. You've
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Speaker 2: been following, obviously and breaking news about the caravan full
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Speaker 2: of explosives.
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Speaker 9: We now know it was a.
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Speaker 2: Fabricated plot and not the terror plot against Jewish Australians
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Speaker 2: that it was initially regarded to be. It's interesting, you know,
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Speaker 2: the left, the labor and Tony Burke has come in
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Speaker 2: really hard on Peter Dutton, basically saying that he was
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Speaker 2: inflating this issue, that he was kicking it along, that
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Speaker 2: he was trying to use it for political gain. But
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Speaker 2: everything that he said was based on briefings he was
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Speaker 2: given by police and authorities at the time, and it
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Speaker 2: mirriage comments from the Prime Minister and the Premier of
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Speaker 2: New South Wales. So what's the political crime that Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton's committed.
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Speaker 18: Well, Peter, I encourage people to try and have a
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Speaker 18: listen to what Tony Burke had to say about this today.
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Speaker 18: I thought it was reckless and one of the most
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Speaker 18: ridiculous hits on Peter Dutton we've seen thus far in
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Speaker 18: everything that's gone over the last few months. To suggest
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Speaker 18: that Peter Dutton was deliberately not being briefed, or didn't
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Speaker 18: want to know certain details, or didn't want to be
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Speaker 18: across everything that was going on with his caravan and
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Speaker 18: the other anti Semitic tax is just an absolutely ridiculous
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Speaker 18: comment from Tony Burke.
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Speaker 9: I can't believe that he made it today.
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Speaker 18: Peter Dutton has been briefed at every opportunity by a
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Speaker 18: range of agencies.
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Speaker 9: The wider issue here is that there's been.
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Speaker 18: An extraordinary break down between the AFP and the local
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Speaker 18: state police in New South Wales.
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Speaker 9: The state police have been trying to round.
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Speaker 18: Up people that have been involved with graffiti and fire
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Speaker 18: bombing attacks. Then you've got wider and some alleged high
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Speaker 18: profile gang figures involved in all of this. My understanding
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Speaker 18: his New South Wales police have been trying to brief
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Speaker 18: as many people as possible. The AFP, in my view,
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Speaker 18: haven't been has forthcoming with information, so there's been a
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Speaker 18: breakdown there.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister wasn't brief for several days after this occurred.
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Speaker 18: Chris Mins came out early the New South Wales Premier
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Speaker 18: and said that he believed it was terrorism. But as
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Speaker 18: it's gone on, it's clear that this was one big
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Speaker 18: hoax where we believe it's sort of a reduced jail
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Speaker 18: sentence for someone down the track. But certainly from an
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Speaker 18: authority standpoint of view, there's been a shocking breakdown and
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Speaker 18: communication at all levels and we're seeing the results of that.
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Speaker 2: And it's certainly not the politic and that Tony Book
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Speaker 2: wants to make it for Let's go to the New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Women's Minister and comments she has made, well,
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Speaker 2: she's come under fire for them. This is a relation
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Speaker 2: to women's sports and women's change room. During a recent
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Speaker 2: estimates hearing in the New South Wales Parliament, have.
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Speaker 10: A listen, people who identify as women should be able
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Speaker 10: to go into women's change rooms.
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Speaker 14: I think the majority of people who perpetrate crimes against
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Speaker 14: women are actually men.
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Speaker 2: So she's saying that men perpetrate the bulk of crimes
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Speaker 2: against women, and then she uses that to try and
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Speaker 2: defend her position that says men who identifies women but
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Speaker 2: are biological men should be allowed into women's change rooms.
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Speaker 2: Now square that circle.
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Speaker 17: For me, Alex, Thanks for that, nice and easy thinks.
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Speaker 9: I'll try.
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Speaker 17: Look, Peter, I mean I struggle to keep up with
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Speaker 17: some of this sometimes because it is so circular in
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Speaker 17: its expression. And I mean the simple fact here is
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Speaker 17: this could all be alleviated tomorrow with some amendments to
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Speaker 17: the Sexual Discrimination Act. That people have to remember that
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Speaker 17: this wasn't necessarily an issue in terms of being able
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Speaker 17: to draw a line in the sands, so who can
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Speaker 17: go into which change rooms and play which sport Prior
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Speaker 17: to the Gillard government in this country amending the Sex
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Speaker 17: Discrimination Act to remove the definitions of female and male
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Speaker 17: that should be replaced. In my view, that simple amendments
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Speaker 17: that should simply put that back in. Everything flows from there.
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Speaker 17: All of the states have to follow and suit and
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Speaker 17: it becomes a very clear issue of who isn't isn't
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Speaker 17: a male and who isn't isn't a female and then
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Speaker 17: we can all stop having to twist our brains. We
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Speaker 17: see these all the time with bureaucrats and ministers. I
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Speaker 17: had an experience by self in estimates where the issue
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Speaker 17: of what is a woman from the Health Department was
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Speaker 17: taken on notice. Of course, I mean, it's just got
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Speaker 17: to stop it. We're well behind the eight ball on this.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the generous support from good men
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Speaker 2: like you, but I can tell you women have had
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Speaker 2: it up to here and I am stopped in the street.
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Speaker 2: I'm stopped at the airport by women from the left
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Speaker 2: imploring women on the right like me to keep this
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Speaker 2: because they say they can't even raise their voices against
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Speaker 2: this stuff. Please tell me, Alex that this will be
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Speaker 2: an actual policy you guys will have on the table
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Speaker 2: when we vote to repeal this nonsense from the Gillard era.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, I'm in Peter. There'll be a suite of
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Speaker 17: policy announcements. I don't know what the position on that
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Speaker 17: is at this moment, but I'm certainly going to be
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Speaker 17: pushing for it. I think it's absolutely essential, frankly, and
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Speaker 17: that's my personal view, and I think it's well but
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Speaker 17: well beyond time.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'll be making some phone calls as I
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Speaker 2: always do. Hey, the Teals are in trouble, so says
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Speaker 2: a new Freshwater poll James.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, Peter.
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Speaker 18: And look, if you look at the six remaining tials
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Speaker 18: the last election, only Zalie Stegel won the primary vote outright.
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Speaker 18: The others got over the line courtesy of secondary votes
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Speaker 18: and everything else, and the two party preferred eventually got
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Speaker 18: them over the line. Just but this polling suggests that
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Speaker 18: with that two party dropping for Labor and the Greens,
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Speaker 18: that it's going to be very, very tight. I think
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Speaker 18: at this point in time there are four of them
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Speaker 18: who are in big trouble. Their primary voter, as I say,
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Speaker 18: was very poor. The last time around. They were beaten
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Speaker 18: by the Liberals first past the post, and then we're
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Speaker 18: obviously beaten at the end. The other fascinating part on this,
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Speaker 18: as we know, Peter, is that the Labor primary vote
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Speaker 18: in all these seats is very low. I wonder if
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Speaker 18: they're going to back elbow an election night.
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Speaker 2: We will watch it closely. Jens. Thank you both for
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Speaker 2: your time. That's it for me tonight. Up next Andibault