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Credlin | 7 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good point, Chris, We saw all the celebrities in the
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Speaker 2: Voice go down in a screaming heap. Good evening, welcome
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Speaker 2: to show. He was coming out tonight on The Credlin Show.
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Speaker 2: Still plenty to digest from Trump's historic win last night,
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Speaker 2: including how the establishment and polsters got it so wrong
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Speaker 2: yet again, none of the demographic groups that were supposed
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Speaker 2: to turn out for the Democrats turn up. Now, what's
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Speaker 2: going to happen to the Democrats. They've abandoned their working
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Speaker 2: class base. That base has walked to Trump and it's
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Speaker 2: now a party of the rich, woke elites. Well, there's
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Speaker 2: lessons here for Labor in Australia. Joe Hockey joins me
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Speaker 2: shortly to discuss PL's one thing that's crystal clear from yesterday,
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Speaker 2: as James Carville famously said, it's the economy stupid and
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Speaker 2: that's another problem for our out of touch prime minister.
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Speaker 2: As Labor prepares to fight here for a second term.
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Speaker 2: And following that High Court decision quashing the government's Ankle
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Speaker 2: Bracelet and Kurtfew regime, two hundred plus foreign criminals are
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Speaker 2: out in the community and they are not now being monitored.
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Speaker 2: Labor faced a lot of questions today about how they
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Speaker 2: plan to keep Australians safe.
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Speaker 3: How many of the hardened criminals who are in the
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Speaker 3: community are wearing ankle bracelets or subject to curfews right now?
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Speaker 4: Can the Prime Minister confirm the two hundred and fifteen
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Speaker 4: hardcore criminals released into the Australian community are receiving welfare
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Speaker 4: and housing benefits at the expense of the Australian taxpayer.
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Speaker 4: Have any been charged with an act of sexual assault?
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Speaker 2: But first, whatever else it might mean. Donald Trump's second
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Speaker 2: coming is a massive defeat for identity politics, climate alarmism,
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Speaker 2: uncontrolled migration, and big government at least in America, but
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Speaker 2: with lessons and consequences for the wider world. As he
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Speaker 2: kept telling voters during the campaign, I'm for you, Kamala
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Speaker 2: is for they them, And that play on pronoun politics
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Speaker 2: was no accident. As he kept saying during the campaign,
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Speaker 2: the way to get energy prices down is to drill, baby, drill.
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Speaker 2: So no one pretends from him that the so called
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Speaker 2: green transition means more jobs and cheaper electricity. It doesn't,
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Speaker 2: and we know that here only too well. He kept
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Speaker 2: saying in the campaign that illegal migration, and he's stressed
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Speaker 2: illegal migration cuts American wages, is stealing American jobs and
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Speaker 2: lowering the standard livy for American citizens. So none of
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Speaker 2: this nonsense that low skilled workers flooding across the border
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Speaker 2: was somehow good for the economy. This fact says it all.
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Speaker 2: Voters at the poorer end of the spectrum supported Trump
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Speaker 2: over the traditional party of the worker, the Democrats. What
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Speaker 2: we're seeing here is the realignment of the left as
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Speaker 2: the home of the elites and the right as the
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Speaker 2: home of low to middle income battlers. And that realignment
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Speaker 2: is playing out across the Western world, including here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Trump promised repeatedly that under him, taxes would be lower,
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Speaker 2: lower company taxes to drive the economy, plus no taxes
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Speaker 2: on tips or taxes on overtime to make it easier
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Speaker 2: for working people to get ahead. And then there's Elon Musk,
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Speaker 2: one of the world's most innovative businessmen, recruited by Trump
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Speaker 2: for a war on waste and inefficiencies inside government or
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Speaker 2: God help the public service. That's all I can say.
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Speaker 2: Most Australians, except those watching Sky News or reading the
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Speaker 2: news called papers, or they've been conditioned to think of
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Speaker 2: Trump as a right wing nut job. But as former
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Speaker 2: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper once said to me, look, Peter,
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Speaker 2: iiken often fault what he said, but I can rarely
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Speaker 2: fault what he does. That's where I sit because actually
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Speaker 2: getting things done, that's the real challenge in modern politics.
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Speaker 2: By promising that Trump will fix it, his campaign team
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Speaker 2: spoke to the millions of Americans who want to see
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Speaker 2: their leaders address the problems that matter to them, to
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Speaker 2: get stuff done, to fix what needs fixing, rather than
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Speaker 2: strike a pose and achieve little. If you judge Trump's
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Speaker 2: first term based on what he got done, well, there's
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Speaker 2: every reason to think he'll be better second time around.
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Speaker 2: Most politicians are. In his first term, he said he'd
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Speaker 2: pull out of Paris, and he did. He said he
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Speaker 2: cut taxes and regulations and he did. He said it
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Speaker 2: boost defense and he did. He said there'd be no
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Speaker 2: more wars under his administration, and there were not. He
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Speaker 2: said he'd move the embassy to Jerusalem back Israel, and
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Speaker 2: he did. He built a wall and he made a
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Speaker 2: good start despite obstruction from the Congress, and as voters
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Speaker 2: clearly remembered when they voted yesterday. When he was president,
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Speaker 2: there were higher wages, greater wealth, and record employment. Are
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Speaker 2: sure he was a sore loser in twenty twenty, but
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Speaker 2: that never justified the legal witch hunt against him from
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Speaker 2: the Democrats who never got over his twenty sixteen victory.
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Speaker 2: In their get trump Mania, his opponents trashed due process,
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Speaker 2: and they manipulated the law every bit as much as
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Speaker 2: they claimed he disrespected democracy. Truly, this is a comeback
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Speaker 2: for the ages, a tribute to a man's courage and resilience,
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Speaker 2: to his sense of what really moves the American people,
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Speaker 2: and indeed to the ideological blinkers of his opponents. I
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Speaker 2: have to say, you know, as many newly elected governments
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Speaker 2: have found, things can still turn pretty sour for you
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Speaker 2: if the performance failed to match the promises. Perhaps the
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Speaker 2: best thing Trump said in the victory speech last night,
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Speaker 2: apart from thanking the American people and declaring a time
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Speaker 2: to heal, was his pledge to govern. Promises made, he said,
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Speaker 2: will be promises kept.
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Speaker 5: Frankly, this was I believe the greatest political movement of
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Speaker 5: all time. There's never been anything like this in this country,
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Speaker 5: and maybe beyond and now it's going to reach a
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Speaker 5: new level of importance because we're going to help our
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Speaker 5: country healing, to help our country. Here, I will govern
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Speaker 5: by a simple motto, Promises made, Promises kept. We're going
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Speaker 5: to keep our promise.
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Speaker 2: In how much of that will depend upon the capacity
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Speaker 2: and judgment of those here points those who will have
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Speaker 2: to convert the promises into programs, and on whether he
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Speaker 2: can keep from making as many needless enemies as perhaps
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Speaker 2: last time. But there's no reason to think that he
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Speaker 2: won't cut taxes and red tape as he did last
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Speaker 2: time and unleash the massive creativity of the American economy.
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Speaker 2: The purists, well, they'll say his tax cuts are unfunded,
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Speaker 2: and they'd be right. But an unfunded tax cut is
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Speaker 2: much much better than a similarly unfunded new government program,
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Speaker 2: because at least they will add the tax cuts to
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Speaker 2: the economic dynamism rather than just create more bureaucracy. Anthony
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Speaker 2: Alberanezi take note. There'll be the usual conniptions about destroying
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Speaker 2: the planet once Trump again refuses to sign up to
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Speaker 2: more emissions targets, But honestly, should anyone care if America's
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Speaker 2: emissions go up a bit when China's or they're going
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Speaker 2: up by one hell of a lot, especially if it
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Speaker 2: means that power prices fall further and more jobs stay
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Speaker 2: in America rather than migrate to the Third World. Again,
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Speaker 2: Australia take note. Perhaps the biggest lesson from this revolt
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Speaker 2: against the new green left establishment is that people vote
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Speaker 2: more as citizens than as subgroups. Kamala Harris's abortion pitch
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Speaker 2: was supposed to lock in the women's vote some of
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Speaker 2: the states that voted to support new pro choice propositions,
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Speaker 2: or they still voted in force for Donald Trump, underscoring
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Speaker 2: the point you've heard me make here over and over again,
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Speaker 2: and I see the polling and have in the past
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Speaker 2: it heaps of other commentators that have never seen women
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Speaker 2: will not vote for a candidate based on gender alone.
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Speaker 2: Forget that. Those that tell you that, forget it. We
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Speaker 2: can split out all the issues like anyone can. We're
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Speaker 2: just as concerned about defense and the economy as we
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Speaker 2: might bear about, say, childcare. It's an insult to women
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Speaker 2: to assume otherwise, as the Harris camp did over and
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Speaker 2: over again, and using then those celebrity boosters only amplified
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Speaker 2: just how out of touch their candidate was. The Vice
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Speaker 2: president's identity is the daughter of an Indian mother and
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Speaker 2: a Jamaican father. Were supposed to lock in the black
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Speaker 2: vote and the migrant vote. Well it didn't. In fact,
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Speaker 2: Trump did far better than expected with women, Latinos, blacks
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Speaker 2: and union workers who all refuse to be pigeonholed by
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Speaker 2: identity politics. Maybe, just maybe we can all hope here.
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Speaker 2: Trump's a victory is a sign that we just might
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Speaker 2: have passed peak woke.
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Speaker 3: Like everybody needs to be woke, and you can talk
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Speaker 3: about it if you're the welkist or walker, but just
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Speaker 3: stain more woke than less.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope. Good riddance to her and good riddance
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Speaker 2: to woke. All right, Parliament was sitting this week, not
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Speaker 2: the jid. Now we've been focused on the US, haven't
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Speaker 2: we with There's putty things going on in Campbell. Let's
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Speaker 2: go there now for the headlines. Sky News political reporter
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Speaker 2: Trinny macintosh.
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Speaker 6: Australia is coming to terms with Donald Trump's big presidential comeback.
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister Albinizi spoke to the President elect this morning.
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Speaker 7: President Trump has run a campaign based on change and
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Speaker 7: he's made it clear he's going to do things differently.
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Speaker 8: President Trump is not somebody to be scared of, but
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Speaker 8: somebody that we can work very closely with.
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Speaker 1: I think he might be okay for the fair economy
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Speaker 1: and for the people.
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Speaker 9: Do you think it'll have any implications for Australia.
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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, huge.
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Speaker 6: Despite his previous remarks, Kevin Rud's position as ambassador to
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Speaker 6: the US appears safe for now.
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Speaker 1: Do you have a plan B in case mister tru
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Speaker 1: refuses to deal with him?
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Speaker 11: Kevin has been an outstanding ambassador and I'm confident will
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Speaker 11: continue to be so.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he said what he said a number of
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Speaker 1: years ago, but he's also applied himself to building those relationships.
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Speaker 6: And the Prime Minister promises within twelve months wants to
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Speaker 6: ban social media accounts to under sixteens.
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Speaker 7: And this one's for the mums and dads. Social media
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Speaker 7: is doing harm to our kids and I'm calling time
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Speaker 7: on it.
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Speaker 1: Let's pass it through the Parliament this year, and let's
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Speaker 1: make sure there is no prospect of exemptions for companies
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Speaker 1: like Instagram or TikTok or Snapchat.
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Speaker 6: Trudy Macintosh Sky News canbra.
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Speaker 2: All right. From more, let's get into those headlines I'm
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Speaker 2: doing now by media right at The Australian Sophie Ellsworth,
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Speaker 2: the Deputy executive director of the Institute of Public Affairs,
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Speaker 2: Daniel Wilde. We'll start with the foreign criminal's High Court decision,
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Speaker 2: a big feature I've questioned time again today the government
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Speaker 2: on the back foot. This is, of course after that
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Speaker 2: High Court ruling that we cannot force Australia cannot force
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Speaker 2: those here unlawfully now but out on visas to wear
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Speaker 2: ankle bracelets all be subject to police curfew. Sophia, I've
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Speaker 2: got an expert coming up in a moment. We're going
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Speaker 2: to talk about the wide illegal ramification here. But this
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Speaker 2: foreign criminal debacle, it just doesn't go away for Labor,
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Speaker 2: does it, well.
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Speaker 9: It certainly doesn't, Peter.
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Speaker 12: This has been one massive headache for them that just
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Speaker 12: keeps rolling on and I think many people will be
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Speaker 12: questioning it seems like some of these foreigners are getting
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Speaker 12: a free pass when they are here.
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Speaker 9: With pretty bad histories.
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Speaker 12: So this is an issue that the federal government has
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Speaker 12: handled extremely poorly and is obviously going to be a
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Speaker 12: very good political point for Peter Dutton in the run
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Speaker 12: up to the next election to really bring home that
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Speaker 12: the Labor government have failed in regards to these policies.
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers and the Reserve Banker we get at odds
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Speaker 2: this time over the metric used to decide on the
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Speaker 2: official cash rate. Moving on, This is how the RBA
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Speaker 2: Governor Michelle Bullock opened her remarks on Tuesday.
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Speaker 13: Underlying inflation is forecast to be back in the top
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Speaker 13: of the target band by n twenty twenty five and
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Speaker 13: to the midpoint of the band by the end of
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Speaker 13: twenty twenty six. Given this and the new since the
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Speaker 13: November meeting, the Board judge that it was appropriate to
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Speaker 13: leave the cash rate where it is.
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Speaker 2: And look, here's the Treasurer in question time yesterday.
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Speaker 14: Reserve Bank targets the headline measure and they say in
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Speaker 14: their new forecast that they'll hit the midpoint of the
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Speaker 14: target band on the headline measure in June of twenty
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Speaker 14: twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, This fight between the two just gets worse because
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Speaker 2: the government doesn't even understand what it's targeting, and we
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Speaker 2: can see things are worsting. ABS data is reporting that workers'
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Speaker 2: cost of living since the Albanezi government was elected has
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Speaker 2: gone up some seventeen percent. So there's no heiding the
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Speaker 2: fact that people are doing it tough.
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Speaker 1: Well that's right.
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Speaker 15: Look, Jim Charmas is not going to win this one.
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day.
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Speaker 15: The governor of the RBA, Michelle Bullock, is doing exactly
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Speaker 15: what the Governor of the RBA is supposed to do,
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Speaker 15: which is to achieve a two to three percent inflation
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Speaker 15: target on average over the medium term using the cash rate,
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Speaker 15: which is the only lever at their disposal to get
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Speaker 15: inflation down. What the government needs to be focused on
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Speaker 15: is how it is contributing to inflationary pressures in our economy.
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Speaker 15: And as we've talked about before, Peter, but the government
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Speaker 15: doesn't get the message.
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Speaker 2: There's two key causes. The first is massive spending.
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Speaker 15: You know, just last week they announced so they're going
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Speaker 15: to pump another sixteen billion dollars into our economy by
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Speaker 15: canceling hextead of university students.
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Speaker 2: Well, what's that going to do to inflation?
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Speaker 15: And secondly, the mass migration program where we've got demand
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Speaker 15: coming into the system without productivity benefits to follow it.
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Speaker 2: So that's why you've got price pressures.
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Speaker 15: So I think the treasure needs to focus on what's
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Speaker 15: within his control, which is the budget. And we've got
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Speaker 15: my EFO coming up next month. But you know, the
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Speaker 15: governor of the RBA has withstood a lot of pressure,
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Speaker 15: political pressure and media pressure to stick to the of
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Speaker 15: the RBA.
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Speaker 2: And I think she's doing the right thing. And you're right,
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Speaker 2: she's focused on underlying inflation. She's the boss. She calls
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Speaker 2: the shots on the cash right. He wants to talk
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Speaker 2: about headline numbers, but they're not material as far as
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Speaker 2: she's concerned. Let's go to comments from the former boss
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Speaker 2: of Quantas, Jeff Dixon. He says, I think it's time
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Speaker 2: that politicians have got to stop accepting free flight upgrades
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Speaker 2: for personal travel. We of course had the national ZMP
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Speaker 2: Bridge McKenzie. She's had to correct the record after failing
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Speaker 2: to disclose a number of upgrades going back about a decade.
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Speaker 2: I have to agree with Jeff Dixon, Sophie. I've been
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Speaker 2: saying it now for weeks. No one should ask for
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Speaker 2: or accept an upgrade for personal travel. I'm surprised this
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Speaker 2: isn't already an edict.
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Speaker 12: Well, absolutely, Peter, And do the politicians not realize this
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Speaker 12: does not pass the pub test. They're getting royal treatment,
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Speaker 12: and many would argue they don't deserve it, and I
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Speaker 12: think there's quite a bit of greed here. And you
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Speaker 12: will have seen many of the various politicians come out
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Speaker 12: and speak on this issue, and many of them don't
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Speaker 12: want to give up their Chairman's Lounge membership because many
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Speaker 12: of them have been reaping the rewards for a long
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Speaker 12: time and they're now shown that it's really down to
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Speaker 12: greed here.
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Speaker 9: I think Peter So I think.
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Speaker 12: It would do them a lot of good to come
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Speaker 12: out and some of them have to say, look, I'm
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Speaker 12: not going to accept the Chairman's loungeeship, and I'm not
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Speaker 12: going to accept these upgrades, and I'm going to travel
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Speaker 12: like most other people in this country do because as
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Speaker 12: we all know, it's expensive to fly around Australia.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to an assessment of the media
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Speaker 2: presentation of the broader US election campaign. But the last
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Speaker 2: sort of twenty eight to forty eight hours as well,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't as close as we were led to believe.
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Speaker 2: Now that's obviously on the head of the pollsters, but
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Speaker 2: the liberal mainstream media they didn't like what they saw.
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Speaker 2: As yesterday unfolded have a look.
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Speaker 6: You asked, are there any places that the vice president
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Speaker 6: is overperforming?
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden in twenty twenties.
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Speaker 16: Holy smokes, there you go.
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Speaker 9: People didn't come out. I don't know why. And it
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Speaker 9: doesn't even matter. He's now the president. I'm still not
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Speaker 9: going to say his name.
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Speaker 17: Black voters came through for Kamala Harris. White women voters
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Speaker 17: did not. This will be the second opportunity that white
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Speaker 17: women in this country have to change the way that
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Speaker 17: they interact with the patriarchy.
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Speaker 2: Well, Dan, it was a collective meltdown across the board.
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Speaker 2: I could have shown hours and hours of that sort
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Speaker 2: of stuff. I must stay here in Australia too. The
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Speaker 2: a ba C very very slow to call it for
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Speaker 2: Trump as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look that's exactly right, Peter.
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Speaker 15: And you look at that footage and you go, well,
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Speaker 15: do they have any idea why they lost?
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Speaker 2: They should be looking in the mirror.
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Speaker 15: I think everything that you said in your monologue today,
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Speaker 15: Peter was absolutely spot on. And I'd add to that
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Speaker 15: that the media, particularly the left wing media, has no
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Speaker 15: interest or curiosity in understanding why Trump won. They can't
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Speaker 15: divorce the person from the policy. They don't seek to
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Speaker 15: understand why. You know, tens of millions of Americans are
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Speaker 15: looking for a voice. The political establishment has failed comprehensively,
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Speaker 15: and I think that's true on both sides of politics
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Speaker 15: and Trump, and also has to be said JD.
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Speaker 2: Vans offer a very.
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Speaker 15: Different vision from the future of the future, sorry to
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Speaker 15: that of Kamala Harris and the democratic establishment. But it's
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Speaker 15: clear that this is a seismic shift not only to
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Speaker 15: America but to the Western world and the global order.
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Speaker 15: Our media has a responsibility and an obligation to understand
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Speaker 15: what is happening, and in particular the ramifications for Australia,
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Speaker 15: which I think overall will be positive but there will
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Speaker 15: be challenges. But you know, as you say, they went
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Speaker 15: into meltdown mode and they just blamed the patriarchy or
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Speaker 15: other extraneous factors rather than understanding that Trump has a
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Speaker 15: lot of appeal to a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: And Sophie, I mean, I was particularly critical tonight the
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Speaker 2: female commentators, femle boosters for the Democrats out there saying
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Speaker 2: that basically every woman must vote for Kamala because she's
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Speaker 2: a woman, or because she was advocating positions on abortion.
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Speaker 2: But that's clearly not what happened. As we see those
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Speaker 2: results come in. We also had I think six jurisdictions
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Speaker 2: where women voted for more liberal or lesser controls on abortion,
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Speaker 2: but at the same time voted for Donald Trump as president.
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Speaker 2: I mean, women care about the economy, women care about
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Speaker 2: national security. I think it debases the intelligence of women
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Speaker 2: to think that we are single issue and we basically
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Speaker 2: only vote for our own kind. They make the mistake
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Speaker 2: about that here in Australia, and I think too many commentators,
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Speaker 2: even Australians looking over at the US, made that mistake.
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Speaker 9: Here absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 12: They thought that all women would vote for Kamala Harris
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Speaker 12: on this one issue, and that has proven absolutely that
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Speaker 12: was not the case. But the media is in absolute
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Speaker 12: mal down to Peter. I mean, one of the headlines
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Speaker 12: at the front of the New York Times said four
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Speaker 12: more years of unpredictability the world prepares.
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Speaker 9: For Trump's return.
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Speaker 12: I mean it was people were the media was largely
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Speaker 12: in damage control over this. A lot of them were
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Speaker 12: cheering for Donald Trump and they are not happy. It's sorry,
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Speaker 12: cheering for Kamala Harris and not happy that Donald Trump
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Speaker 12: got in. And I think this is a warning shot
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Speaker 12: to the media. Listened to the punters. They sometimes are
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Speaker 12: going in there too often batting for a team and
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Speaker 12: they should not be doing that.
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Speaker 9: And this is casing point right there, spot on.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. Thank you to you both. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to Florida hour because my next guest is an
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Speaker 2: Australian who actually managed to secure a spot at the
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Speaker 2: official Trump party in Palm Beach last night, joining me
20:49
Speaker 2: a principal at Radford pr James Radford. Well, I had
20:53
Speaker 2: to get you one because I saw you there last
20:55
Speaker 2: night at Trump HQ. You were also there at one
20:58
Speaker 2: of the final in the lead up to yesterday. Gave
21:02
Speaker 2: us a sense of the mood last night and at
21:05
Speaker 2: Marri Lago where you are.
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Speaker 18: Now, look Peter, Well, last night, everybody, especially the Trump campaign,
21:12
Speaker 18: they were quietly confident of victory, but as you were,
21:15
Speaker 18: no on election nights is always a healthy dose of nerves.
21:18
Speaker 18: But we were really waiting for two results to come in,
21:20
Speaker 18: which was Georgia and Pennsylvania. And once Pennsylvania was called
21:24
Speaker 18: for President Trump, the mood was electric. Everybody was so
21:27
Speaker 18: excited because at that point it was pretty clear that
21:30
Speaker 18: he was going to be the next president of the
21:31
Speaker 18: United States and it was a great evening. There went
21:34
Speaker 18: many Australians there, so it was very happy to fly
21:36
Speaker 18: the Australian flag. We had representaers of Elon Musk's team there,
21:40
Speaker 18: Tucker Carson's team were there, the Trump campaign, the Trump
21:43
Speaker 18: grandchildren were there. The make America Great Again hats they
21:47
Speaker 18: were flying off the shells and they actually ran out
21:49
Speaker 18: early into the function. So it was it was a
21:52
Speaker 18: great night. And I was also very lucky to be
21:54
Speaker 18: at the Trump rally in Salem, Virginia, and that was
21:56
Speaker 18: an electric event as well. And for somebody who does
22:01
Speaker 18: three rallies a day, he has such stamina and energy
22:05
Speaker 18: and just can keep the crowd going, keep them entertained,
22:09
Speaker 18: and really provided a vision and something for Americans to
22:12
Speaker 18: vote for. We know, more of the same old path
22:14
Speaker 18: of bardonomics that was really rejected, and there was such
22:18
Speaker 18: a groundswell of support, not only from the Republican base
22:21
Speaker 18: is what we were feeling and hearing on the night,
22:23
Speaker 18: but also he improved his numbers across many different demographics,
22:26
Speaker 18: African American men, Latinos, women, and young people. Young people
22:31
Speaker 18: were really stand out, and the crowd last night at
22:34
Speaker 18: the Palm Beach Convention Center was a very young crowd
22:38
Speaker 18: as well, So it was a really historic night in
22:40
Speaker 18: a front row seate of democracy. So very privileged to
22:42
Speaker 18: be there and celebrate the Trump win.
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Speaker 2: Jane, just a quick comment because I know you work
22:48
Speaker 2: in the media space. He was very deliberate in going
22:51
Speaker 2: after the podcast crowd targeting the youth market. Some say
22:55
Speaker 2: that's got a lot to do with insights from his
22:57
Speaker 2: son Baron, but I mean Joe Rogan and others. Yes,
23:01
Speaker 2: he did the old style rallies and they get the
23:03
Speaker 2: conventional media talking, but this was a different strategy for
23:08
Speaker 2: him and it clearly paid off with that younger demographic.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, he looked he run a really smart social media campaign.
23:15
Speaker 18: If you compare the engagement I think of Donald Trump's
23:17
Speaker 18: post and Kamala Harris's, they were very high and often
23:20
Speaker 18: exceeded hers, which on the conservative side of politics is
23:23
Speaker 18: not always the case. The left seemed to do social
23:26
Speaker 18: media a lot better. But he had the endorsement of
23:29
Speaker 18: Joe Rogan's sat down on the podcast for two or
23:32
Speaker 18: three hours, so he really ran as very strong media
23:35
Speaker 18: and social media campaign, and we saw that. We saw
23:38
Speaker 18: that young people are concerned about their future, are fed
23:41
Speaker 18: up with a lot of this work nonsense, and they
23:43
Speaker 18: really came out to vote for me, and it really
23:44
Speaker 18: provided them with a platform and a voice and really
23:48
Speaker 18: reached out to them in other ways that Republican candidates haven't.
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Speaker 2: Thanks James Enjoy. I appreciate you getting up in the
23:56
Speaker 2: middle of the night because I don't get the late
23:57
Speaker 2: one last night. Great tavy company. Thank you. Well, let's
23:59
Speaker 2: stay the US. Let's go now though to the market
24:02
Speaker 2: reaction from the Trump reelection and what impact this will
24:06
Speaker 2: have on our own economic agenda in Australia. Join me now,
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Speaker 2: our Sky Business editor live from New York. Ross Greenwood, Well,
24:14
Speaker 2: great to have you on the show too. Ross. I'm
24:16
Speaker 2: keen for the market reaction to the Trump win, but
24:20
Speaker 2: also the likelihood that he's going to take Congress meeting
24:22
Speaker 2: he'll actually be able to fully implement his pro business,
24:26
Speaker 2: pro America agenda unlike last time.
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Speaker 16: Which is exactly pleater why the stock market went bonkers today.
24:37
Speaker 16: Now it's really seen the DWE Jones Z Index with
24:39
Speaker 16: its best performance in two years, the broader market the years,
24:43
Speaker 16: and P five hundred the same, the tech NASDAC the same,
24:46
Speaker 16: and it was interesting the companies that were the strongest.
24:49
Speaker 16: It was companies such as the banks, which will benefit
24:52
Speaker 16: because it's expected that there will be lots of consumer spending,
24:55
Speaker 16: that interest rates might not fall as hard, that the
24:58
Speaker 16: economy will pick up. In the United States under Donald Trump,
25:02
Speaker 16: it was retail stocks because obviously more money is going
25:05
Speaker 16: to people's pockets, company taxes will be cut and as
25:09
Speaker 16: a result, he's almost releasing money into the US economy.
25:12
Speaker 16: And then on top of that, it was US chip makers,
25:15
Speaker 16: homemade chip makers like Intel. And the reason for that
25:19
Speaker 16: is if you're making stuff in America under Donald Trump,
25:21
Speaker 16: with potentially tariffs of as great as sixty percent against China,
25:25
Speaker 16: then you are going to be more protected to be
25:27
Speaker 16: able to sell your goods competitively in America. What Donald
25:30
Speaker 16: Trump is really all about, Peter, is about being competitive.
25:34
Speaker 16: I think that's what people miss about him. Is a businessman.
25:37
Speaker 16: He recognizes the way to get America moving is to
25:41
Speaker 16: make things in America, to employ American people. Because the
25:44
Speaker 16: one thing about this is, as you've pointed out here,
25:47
Speaker 16: it was about the economy. It was about what people
25:50
Speaker 16: were feeling about job security, about prices, and really that's
25:54
Speaker 16: what they're voted for. Doubt.
25:57
Speaker 2: Okay, bring it home here to Australia because if he
25:59
Speaker 2: is going to get the corporate tax rate down two
26:02
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, that's half of what we've got in Australia.
26:05
Speaker 2: So are we going to see a flight of capital
26:07
Speaker 2: and businesses to America? Are they going to go gangbusters?
26:10
Speaker 2: Have put pressure on us to do what we should
26:13
Speaker 2: do and reform.
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Speaker 16: Look, let's be honest. The Albanazy government for a long
26:20
Speaker 16: time has been warned that it's policy's are anti business
26:23
Speaker 16: and that goes to industrial relations policy, it goes to
26:27
Speaker 16: environmental laws such as the banning of gold mines by
26:31
Speaker 16: Tanya Plevask. You know the whole issue. It's also about
26:34
Speaker 16: the demonization of gas and oil production in Australia, the
26:38
Speaker 16: fact that they won't even countenance the idea of nuclear
26:41
Speaker 16: and Australia heard Antony Albanezy talking again about this. It
26:44
Speaker 16: doesn't matter what the price of it is. The fact
26:45
Speaker 16: of the matter is it's outright band and if the
26:48
Speaker 16: government wanted to be fair there, they'd simply lift the band.
26:50
Speaker 16: Here in America, another area which actually went up strangely,
26:54
Speaker 16: oil prices on the world markets went down, and that's
26:56
Speaker 16: because the United States will end up producing more oil
26:59
Speaker 16: and gas itself. Because Donald Trump will lift many of
27:02
Speaker 16: the bands that occur in parts of America. And so
27:05
Speaker 16: this is the difference between where the United States sits
27:08
Speaker 16: right now from a competitive point of view, including that
27:11
Speaker 16: tax rate, and where Australia sits, and Australia has got
27:14
Speaker 16: to become more competitive on so many of these areas. Otherwise,
27:18
Speaker 16: big multinational companies in Australia have already spoken and they
27:22
Speaker 16: will invest their capital in the United States in other
27:25
Speaker 16: parts of the world. And that's also the reason why
27:27
Speaker 16: in our stock market today most companies.
27:29
Speaker 2: Were pretty muted in their response.
27:31
Speaker 16: But guess what, the companies that were heavily invested in
27:33
Speaker 16: the United States, they all went up. And that's because
27:36
Speaker 16: they're probably in a more fertile place to make money
27:39
Speaker 16: into the future.
27:42
Speaker 2: Forget the polsters. You know, follow the market like you
27:45
Speaker 2: follow the betting markets. The stock market and the betting market.
27:48
Speaker 2: The truister indicators at the moment politically certainly out of
27:50
Speaker 2: the US. Thank you, Ross, we'll catch up when you're home.
27:53
Speaker 2: All right. After the break, Joe Hockey joins me for
27:55
Speaker 2: his take on how and why so many got it
27:59
Speaker 2: so wrong when it comes to this historic win from
28:02
Speaker 2: Donald Trump plus the geopolitical implications of last night's results
28:07
Speaker 2: the Middle East, China, Ukraine and more. Welcome back. Still
28:15
Speaker 2: to come. Where to next for community safety after that
28:18
Speaker 2: High Court ruling that quashed Labour's monitoring regime for freed
28:23
Speaker 2: criminal detainees. But first, there's still a lot to digest
28:27
Speaker 2: from last night's historic election results. Are joining me now
28:30
Speaker 2: Sky News US political analyst, of course, former Australian Ambassador
28:34
Speaker 2: to the United States, Joe Hockey. Welcome Joe. Well. In
28:39
Speaker 2: the end, the results, you look at them, and it
28:42
Speaker 2: was the economy stupid, wasn't it.
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Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely, Peter, it was and it was always going
28:49
Speaker 8: to be the economy. And that was reflected in the
28:53
Speaker 8: terrible re elect numbers for Joe Biden and the fact
28:58
Speaker 8: that you know, seventy percent of them Americans felt the
29:01
Speaker 8: country was heading in the wrong direction. All of those
29:04
Speaker 8: factors were there, combined with you know, Kamala Harris failing
29:09
Speaker 8: on the southern border, and of course America looking as
29:13
Speaker 8: though it's being dragged into new wars overseas. Americans emphatically
29:18
Speaker 8: said enough, They've had enough. They want everyone to focus
29:22
Speaker 8: on their welfare and not on lectures from Washington. About
29:27
Speaker 8: how they should live their lives.
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Speaker 2: And for all the demographic talk, Joe, that women and
29:33
Speaker 2: the black vote would come to Harris, that you'd have
29:35
Speaker 2: the same sort of heavy Biden Union vote, that Hispanics
29:39
Speaker 2: would stay locked in the Democratic column. In the end,
29:43
Speaker 2: none of that eventuated, and the only divide I could
29:46
Speaker 2: really see was between the haves and the have knots.
29:51
Speaker 8: Well, the divide between the haves and the haves knots
29:55
Speaker 8: was the opposite of what you'd expect. The haves that
30:00
Speaker 8: were voting for the Democrats and they have nots that
30:04
Speaker 8: were voting for Donald Trump. In fact, he got an
30:07
Speaker 8: overwhelming majority of people earning less than one hundred thousand
30:11
Speaker 8: dollars a year. And you're absolutely right. It was across demographics.
30:16
Speaker 8: Donald Trunk got a swing to him amongst Black Americans,
30:20
Speaker 8: amongst Hispanics, amongst Asians. Even in some demographics like Michigan,
30:27
Speaker 8: he got a majority of under thirty year olds, men
30:31
Speaker 8: and women voting for him ahead of Harris. And that's
30:35
Speaker 8: quite a remarkable story given the focus of the Democrats
30:39
Speaker 8: on younger voters.
30:41
Speaker 2: What about the polling too, Joe, because it was predicting
30:44
Speaker 2: a very tight race and yet it was anything but
30:47
Speaker 2: in the end a comprehensive win to the president. So
30:50
Speaker 2: will they now be a rebuke? Do you think to
30:52
Speaker 2: the pollsters?
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I mean, polling is just not credible
30:59
Speaker 8: when it's released publicly in that way. I mean, you know,
31:03
Speaker 8: this is the third election in the row involving Donald
31:06
Speaker 8: Trump where the pulses have got it pretty dramatically wrong.
31:11
Speaker 8: At the end of the day, every poll was saying
31:14
Speaker 8: it's too close, except and I can tell you exclusively
31:19
Speaker 8: the internal polling of the Republican Party. I just had
31:23
Speaker 8: a meeting with a very senior Democrat who was almost
31:27
Speaker 8: inconsolable and a Republican. And the Democrat told me that
31:31
Speaker 8: at two o'clock yesterday on voting Day, he was with
31:36
Speaker 8: a very senior donor to the Republican Party who showed
31:40
Speaker 8: him a text from within the Republican Party that said,
31:43
Speaker 8: we are going to win all seven swing states and
31:46
Speaker 8: Donald Trump will claim victory at three am. That's exactly
31:50
Speaker 8: what happened. And that came from a Democrat. And you know,
31:55
Speaker 8: I've heard that now from three different sources that the
31:58
Speaker 8: Republican Party was extremely accurate and the Democratic Party polling
32:05
Speaker 8: was extremely inaccurate. They were still claiming into the night
32:09
Speaker 8: last night that they were going to win Pennsylvania and
32:11
Speaker 8: they were completely dead wrong. So you know, there's polling
32:15
Speaker 8: and there's polling, and frankly, I mean the national polls
32:20
Speaker 8: are now officially a joke.
32:23
Speaker 2: All right. You know the man better than any other
32:25
Speaker 2: Australian Trump two point zero. Will expect him to hit
32:30
Speaker 2: the ground running. He has been there before, of course,
32:32
Speaker 2: so he knows very much what to expect from day
32:35
Speaker 2: one behind the desk in the White House this time though,
32:38
Speaker 2: He's got a smart and very able Vice president electing JD. Vance.
32:43
Speaker 2: Mega has clearly now locked in the remaking of the
32:47
Speaker 2: Republican Party. So what's this new Trump term going to
32:51
Speaker 2: look like?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think Trump will continue to reach out to
32:56
Speaker 8: the Trump Democrats, the people that voted for him well
32:59
Speaker 8: ahead of the the natural base of the Republican Party,
33:03
Speaker 8: and so he will deliver the tax cuts that he's promised,
33:06
Speaker 8: especially now that it looks like they're going to win
33:09
Speaker 8: both the House and the Senate. I think Donald Trump
33:13
Speaker 8: will deliver the tariffs, even though we don't like them.
33:16
Speaker 8: I think he will be much tougher on the border
33:20
Speaker 8: but I think also he obviously won't be running for reelection,
33:25
Speaker 8: so this will be a different Donald Trump. There'll be
33:29
Speaker 8: a different focus and perhaps a greater focus on legacy.
33:32
Speaker 8: It was quite interesting in his victory speech he said,
33:38
Speaker 8: you know, I've done more than nine hundred rallies, and
33:41
Speaker 8: I had the last one and I'm not doing another one.
33:44
Speaker 8: And you know, that's kind of like asking Mick Jagger
33:47
Speaker 8: not to do another concert. It's sort of unlike, it's
33:50
Speaker 8: unnatural in a sense, but I think it's real. It's exhausting.
33:54
Speaker 8: He is now the oldest ever elected US president, newly
34:00
Speaker 8: to US president, and I think he'll be focusing pretty
34:04
Speaker 8: early on on the legacy. And the legacy has to
34:07
Speaker 8: be how to lock in that working class vote for
34:11
Speaker 8: the Republican Party well into the future.
34:14
Speaker 2: Just before we go. On the Democrat side, there was
34:18
Speaker 2: a battle royal to get Biden out earlier. The Obamas,
34:21
Speaker 2: of course, slaughd with DAWs Harris. They wanted an open convention.
34:25
Speaker 2: I think they've been proven right. But this shift to
34:28
Speaker 2: the left inside the Democrats, and with it the alienation
34:33
Speaker 2: of their old worker base. That's also mirrored here and
34:37
Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom. After the bit this big loss, Joe,
34:41
Speaker 2: What now for the Democrats?
34:44
Speaker 8: Well, it's a great question because when you go to
34:47
Speaker 8: an election with a coalition that stretches from Liz Cheney
34:50
Speaker 8: to Bernie Sanders, the question is what unites your party?
34:54
Speaker 8: What unites your coalition? And the only thing that united
34:57
Speaker 8: them was they hated Donald Trump. It was as simple
35:00
Speaker 8: as that. Now that coalition has already broken apart. People
35:05
Speaker 8: are feeding on each other. You know, it's going to
35:08
Speaker 8: be a hell of a period for them because there's
35:12
Speaker 8: nothing that holds them together except a hatred of Donald Trump.
35:16
Speaker 8: You can't build a policy platform platform based on someone
35:21
Speaker 8: that has just beaten you and beaten you twice in
35:24
Speaker 8: the last twelve years. So now they've got to go
35:27
Speaker 8: back and look at what who they really represent? Is
35:30
Speaker 8: it Hollywood, is it Wall Street? Or actually, are they
35:33
Speaker 8: going to go back to the blue collar workers of Michigan,
35:36
Speaker 8: of Wisconsin, of Pennsylvania, of Arizona, Nevada and North Carolina?
35:43
Speaker 8: Are you going to go back to the working class
35:46
Speaker 8: voters that made the Democratic Party and are you going
35:50
Speaker 8: to reach out to them with policies that actually improve
35:53
Speaker 8: their lives?
35:54
Speaker 2: So Hockey as always, thank you, for your time. Thanks Petter. Well,
36:00
Speaker 2: let's stay with the US election, but I want to
36:02
Speaker 2: take a wider lens now the international implications of the
36:06
Speaker 2: second Trump presidency. Joining me now, Foreign editor at The
36:09
Speaker 2: Australian Greg Sheridan, Well, Greg, I want to start with
36:13
Speaker 2: the Middle East. It was very strong obviously on Israel.
36:16
Speaker 2: Last time we had the Abraham Accords. We also had
36:20
Speaker 2: the movement of the embassy to Jerusalem, hugely symbolic. How
36:24
Speaker 2: do you see things playing out now that he's on
36:27
Speaker 2: his way back into the White House on the twentieth
36:28
Speaker 2: of January.
36:31
Speaker 3: Well, Peter, great to be with you. I think the
36:34
Speaker 3: Middle East was the area of the greatest success in
36:37
Speaker 3: Trump's first term. As you say, the Abraham Accords were
36:41
Speaker 3: historic peace agreements with Israel and a number of its
36:44
Speaker 3: Arab and North African neighbors. And Israel's support was very strong,
36:49
Speaker 3: which made it secure and confident. But the other big
36:55
Speaker 3: missing ingredient was Trump was very tough on Iran. Now
36:58
Speaker 3: Biden spent four years is trying to seduce Iran and
37:02
Speaker 3: release the sanctions on it, which gave it billions and
37:05
Speaker 3: billions and billions, tens of billions of dollars more revenue
37:08
Speaker 3: than it otherwise would have had, which had spent on
37:11
Speaker 3: armaments for Hamas and Hezbollah and the Hooties and it's
37:17
Speaker 3: other proxies in the region. So you can say, really,
37:20
Speaker 3: Biden's failure of to terrence was everywhere, with Russia, with China,
37:25
Speaker 3: with Iran and the attacks on Israel. You know, I
37:29
Speaker 3: think we're not morally the fault of Biden, but we're
37:32
Speaker 3: a consequence of Iran being empowered. Now Trump is going
37:34
Speaker 3: to be very tough on Iran, very strong in his
37:37
Speaker 3: support of Israel. I don't think he'll help Israel bomb
37:40
Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear assets. I don't think he'll send Americans to
37:44
Speaker 3: help them, but he might empower Israel to do it itself.
37:48
Speaker 3: But he has had a big no war theme of
37:52
Speaker 3: his campaign, so he'll probably put the screws on Iran
37:55
Speaker 3: through economic sanctions. I think.
37:59
Speaker 2: What about Ukraine, because he's talked about broker a piece
38:01
Speaker 2: steel there. I guess my concern is that he tries
38:05
Speaker 2: to force the Ukrainians into some sort of capitulation with
38:08
Speaker 2: the Russians. I hope I'm wrong. How do you see
38:11
Speaker 2: that one working out? Well?
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Speaker 3: It is very hard to predict. Trump now I thought
38:16
Speaker 3: Trump was a better alternative to Harris. I wrote that,
38:19
Speaker 3: although I have grave historic misgivings about Trump, but America
38:23
Speaker 3: will be stronger under Trump than it would have been
38:25
Speaker 3: under Harris. By Miles, I think by Miles, some of
38:29
Speaker 3: the things he said about Ukraine are a real worry. However,
38:34
Speaker 3: when he's in office, he's typically very pragmatic. The shape
38:37
Speaker 3: of the deal that he wants for Ukraine is the
38:39
Speaker 3: deal that frankly, behind closed doors, every single foreign policy
38:43
Speaker 3: professional of the world is talking about. Russia gets to
38:46
Speaker 3: keep the territory its conquered. That's terrible, But you know,
38:49
Speaker 3: you just cannot imagine Ukraine driving Russia out of Crimea,
38:54
Speaker 3: and in exchange, Ukraine gets security guarantees. Now, Trump would
38:57
Speaker 3: be against Ukraine JOININGATO, but I think the only kind
39:01
Speaker 3: of security guarantee that really means that the Russians won't
39:06
Speaker 3: just start invading Ukraine again in five or seven years
39:09
Speaker 3: time is Ukrainian membership of NATO. It may be that
39:14
Speaker 3: Trump offers this deal to Russia and Ukraine and Russia
39:18
Speaker 3: doesn't take the deal. And if Russia doesn't take the deal,
39:21
Speaker 3: Trump typically gets very angry with people when he offers
39:25
Speaker 3: them a good deal and they don't take it. So
39:27
Speaker 3: this is a really unpredictable moment. But I don't think
39:32
Speaker 3: we should assume that Trump is simply going to stop
39:34
Speaker 3: all aid to Ukraine or that a really bad deal.
39:38
Speaker 3: He sees himself as the master of the deal, so
39:41
Speaker 3: he'll want a deal that preserves Ukrainian independence at the
39:44
Speaker 3: very least.
39:46
Speaker 2: And a quick comment on China, well, I.
39:51
Speaker 3: Think Hujin pickuld be very unhappy about Trump getting back
39:55
Speaker 3: into office. Trump is much stronger than the Democrats would be,
39:58
Speaker 3: will have a much bigger defense budget. I think Trump
40:02
Speaker 3: is a disaster for Alberanesi. He's going to undermine his
40:05
Speaker 3: energy policy and all the rest of it. How can
40:07
Speaker 3: you argue that Australians should bankrupt themselves to go green
40:11
Speaker 3: when the two biggest economies in the world, China and America,
40:14
Speaker 3: will be full steam ahead on fossil fuel. Trump is
40:18
Speaker 3: sometimes very cynical about Taiwan, but his underlying message that
40:22
Speaker 3: allies have to do more for themselves is very strong. Now,
40:26
Speaker 3: Australia at the moment doesn't even spend two percent of
40:28
Speaker 3: its GDP on defense. Trump will notice that, and he'll
40:31
Speaker 3: notice the weakness of the Alberanesi government. So I think
40:33
Speaker 3: both she Jin Ping and Anthony Alberanesi have quite a
40:36
Speaker 3: lot to worry about tonight.
40:40
Speaker 2: Well, I hope it they lift their game. So they
40:41
Speaker 2: have our prime minister lifts his game, thank you, greg Or.
40:45
Speaker 2: After both break. Another blow to public safety is High
40:48
Speaker 2: Court decision on those freed foreign criminals. So what's the
40:53
Speaker 2: government's plan be a expert after break? Welcome back? Well,
41:00
Speaker 2: with no record to run on, he's Albanezi about to
41:03
Speaker 2: face the same fate as Kabala Harris. We'll get into
41:06
Speaker 2: that in the moment. But for security concerns under labor
41:09
Speaker 2: have just got worse with the High Court yesterday ruly
41:12
Speaker 2: in favor of a stateless refugee from Eritrea who has
41:16
Speaker 2: successfully argued that his visa conditions, which included wearing an
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Speaker 2: ankle bracelet and curfew requirements, breached the Constitution's separation of
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Speaker 2: powers an amounted to punishment, which of course is the
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Speaker 2: role of the courts, not the executive branch of government
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Speaker 2: all the Parliament. The upshot is we can now have
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Speaker 2: over two hundred dangerous offenders out in the community with
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Speaker 2: no police monitoring. Joining me in out Director at Strategic
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Speaker 2: Analysis Australia Michael Schuebridge. Well, the government said it would
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Speaker 2: keep Australian safe. It's been behind the eight ball on
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Speaker 2: both of these very serious and seismic High Court decisions.
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Speaker 2: What's the plan be here now.
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Speaker 11: Michael, Well, we don't know. This Immigration and detention under
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Speaker 11: Home Affairs and whether it's Claara O'Neil or now Tony
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Speaker 11: Burke has been a set of slow motion car crashes.
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Speaker 11: They seem incapable of hearing what the High Court keeps
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Speaker 11: telling them to understand the difference between a judicial power
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Speaker 11: and the power of the executive government. What they should
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Speaker 11: be doing is presenting proper evidence to get court orders
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Speaker 11: about putting people into detention. That looks like the most
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Speaker 11: secure legal path that fits best with the Constitution.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yesterday, before the things really kicked off with the
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Speaker 2: US election, I got hold of that judgment about one
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty pages. I skimmed through most of it,
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Speaker 2: I have to admit, but I read bits about the
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Speaker 2: judicial powers you talk about there quite closely. What did
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Speaker 2: I understand? Michael? And I think you know, I can
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Speaker 2: have a few differences with the Court's interpretation, but broadly,
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Speaker 2: if they're going to hold fast to this, and they
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Speaker 2: are the High Court, there's no appellate jurisdiction after them.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the government's got these special powers passed about
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Speaker 2: this time last year that would I think get them
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Speaker 2: through this legal mind field. Yet we know that after
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Speaker 2: twelve months they have not filed one application under those laws.
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Speaker 2: They said they were urgent, but they still haven't been used.
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Speaker 11: Yes, we'll think of it. From Tony Burke's point of view,
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Speaker 11: he's obviously got little confidence in the new leadership in
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Speaker 11: Home Affairs and the kind of policies and approaches they've
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Speaker 11: been serving up to him, so he's probably gunshy about
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Speaker 11: taking this new preventative order approach out in public and
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Speaker 11: to the courts. That's understandable. But meanwhile we've got twelve
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Speaker 11: people who were convicted of murder or attempted murder, sixty
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Speaker 11: six people that are convicted of sexual offenses, and ninety
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Speaker 11: seven people convicted of assault in this group of two
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Speaker 11: hundred people, So it's understandable there's a lot of public anxiety.
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Speaker 2: And they're not Australians, they're not refugees that all been
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Speaker 2: through the process. A lot of them using legal aid.
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Speaker 2: They've been rejected, their countries refuse to take them back.
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Speaker 2: We are stuck in this terrible limbo. Now, if Burke
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Speaker 2: doesn't think his department's up to it, will change a
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Speaker 2: bloody head of department. But if he doesn't think the
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Speaker 2: laws are strong enough, he's got the Parliament city now
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Speaker 2: until Christmas. Put the laws back in, bolster the laws
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Speaker 2: and do something more than just wring your hands at
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Speaker 2: the dispatch box.
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Speaker 11: Yes, but we've heard from him that they had plans
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Speaker 11: because they expected this failure. Well, it's not evident that
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Speaker 11: their new plans will be any better than their continued
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Speaker 11: failures in this term of government. So really it's looking
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Speaker 11: like they're now sending ambulances to their policy car crashes
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Speaker 11: and the ambulance are crashing too. It's Tony Burke really
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Speaker 11: has to show he's taken control of this.
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Speaker 2: It's shocking. Michael Schuberdj I'll leave it there. I'm out
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Speaker 2: of time, but will stay across this issue. I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you what, Tony Burke, if your Secretary of Department can't
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Speaker 2: do the job of Home Affairs, sack her. I'll come
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Speaker 2: and do it for free. For it after the break
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Speaker 2: Democrat inside of James Carvell famously said it's the economy stupid,
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Speaker 2: and that's precisely what played out in the US, and
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Speaker 2: it's an ominous sign for federal labor plus more cultural
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Speaker 2: considerations locking Australians out of their national park. All right,
45:38
Speaker 2: let's bring in my panel point Hanson's chief of staff
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Speaker 2: James Ashby and Liberal Senator Alex Antick. Well, let's start
45:45
Speaker 2: with cost of living, because that was what propelled former
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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump back into the White House last night.
45:53
Speaker 2: This is bad news James for a prime minister here
45:56
Speaker 2: because he's got no record to run on in terms
45:59
Speaker 2: of cost to living and he's no longer seen as
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Speaker 2: the battler anymore, is he.
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Speaker 10: No far from it, especially with private jets and upgrades
46:09
Speaker 10: to most of his flights that he's taken across his
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Speaker 10: time as a politician. This is a bloke that would
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Speaker 10: rather cozy up to sports stars and get his selfie
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Speaker 10: taken with all these celebrities. But he's missing the very
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Speaker 10: facts that when he's doing that, he doesn't have an
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Speaker 10: opportunity to talk to the average person out there on
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Speaker 10: the street who would quite literally tell him they're not
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Speaker 10: doing it. That well, so, look, I hope there's a
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Speaker 10: shift between now and the election. Take a leaf out
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Speaker 10: of Paul In Hanson's book, Come jump in a car,
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Speaker 10: travel the States and make sure that you're speaking to
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Speaker 10: people on the ground, because only then you'll find out
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Speaker 10: how badly Australians are truly doing it.
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Speaker 2: Now, I want to pull apart this tweet that was
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Speaker 2: put out today from former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer.
46:53
Speaker 2: This will come to you. Just set it an antic
46:55
Speaker 2: but I think it bears careful reading. The groups that
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Speaker 2: Harris did best with you why the Democrats have big problems?
47:01
Speaker 2: He says. Rich people went from plus five for Biden
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Speaker 2: to plus eight for Harris. The rich are the only
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Speaker 2: group that she actually improved with. Those who never go
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Speaker 2: to religious services, well, they were a plus twenty six
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Speaker 2: for Harris. Those who say they have no religion they
47:16
Speaker 2: are a plus forty for Harris. College grads plus eight
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Speaker 2: anyone with a postgraduate degree, or they were a plus
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Speaker 2: twenty four for her. Meaning the base is now college educated,
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Speaker 2: rich and non religious people. Anyone that they're losing the
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Speaker 2: Hispanics and working class voters. They're seen as elitist and
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Speaker 2: out of touch. This is what he said is not wrong?
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Speaker 2: Is he saidator?
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Speaker 1: No, Peter, He's not wrong at all, And that wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have been a particularly inaccurate assessment in twenty sixteen either.
47:50
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's extraordinary that most of the media,
47:54
Speaker 1: that most of the political class and the polster has
47:56
Speaker 1: got this one wrong again. I mean, from where I sat,
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Speaker 1: this was as plain as on your face. He had
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Speaker 1: enormous energy in the campaign. He was drawing huge crowds
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Speaker 1: and he was touching those points that you just raised
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Speaker 1: there about people's concerns with cost of living. Really, what
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Speaker 1: Trump did was fill the void of the old Democrat Party.
48:13
Speaker 1: I mean he ended up polling very strongly through the
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Speaker 1: old rustbelt again, places like Allentown in Pennsylvania, and that
48:21
Speaker 1: is a lesson for the right here in Australia. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the Labor Party in this country has deserted the workers,
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Speaker 1: there is no question about that. And Peter Dutton, I think,
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Speaker 1: is doing a good job talking to people on the
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Speaker 1: cost of living issues. I also say, the other thing
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Speaker 1: that's interesting about this election was the overwhelming response from
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Speaker 1: gen X my generation to Donald Trump. Very high support
48:42
Speaker 1: rates for him there, which I think reflects largely people
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Speaker 1: like me that can remember the good times the nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, some descreen, and also people who are
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Speaker 1: listening to the alternative media. He really hit that angle
48:54
Speaker 1: well with podcasts and alternatives media, that there's some enormous
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Speaker 1: lessons that need.
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Speaker 13: To be learned.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do want to miss this issue at home.
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Speaker 2: James Ashby. In Victoria, Mount Arapolis world famous, loved by
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Speaker 2: rock climbers and there's quite a significant local tourism industry
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Speaker 2: that's been built up as a result. The state government
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Speaker 2: in Victoria they are banning anyone now from accessing a
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Speaker 2: good part of the park. They say cultural heritage is
49:22
Speaker 2: all behind this move, but locals say there's been no
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Speaker 2: transparency and no consultation.
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Speaker 10: Now when the same problems happen in New South Wales
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Speaker 10: with Mount Walker, which is just over the border from Queensland.
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Speaker 10: We've seen it with as Rock, the shutdown of the climb,
49:39
Speaker 10: and just this week we've had Jungler, which is a
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Speaker 10: lovely little spot. Next time you're in Queensland, come and
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Speaker 10: visit it. Because we've got the largest platypus population up there.
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Speaker 10: Aboriginals have decided to take it upon themselves to shut
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Speaker 10: down a gazetted road and access to a water hole
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Speaker 10: because they don'tlike the people that are going there. This
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Speaker 10: is happening all to often. As you say, no consultation.
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Speaker 10: People are rightly upset and this is our way of
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Speaker 10: getting away from city life and sort of just taking
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Speaker 10: a breather. Some of these locations are not just culturally
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Speaker 10: important to Aboriginals, but I'll tell you what they do
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Speaker 10: wonders for all of us when we go and visit them,
50:16
Speaker 10: So they shouldn't be shut down. Enough's enough, we said
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Speaker 10: noa in October, Albow. Here's your chance stand up and
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Speaker 10: say well, we reject these closures as well.
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Speaker 2: Alex. A new studies out that says carbon emissions from
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Speaker 2: private jets has gone up by nearly fifty percent the
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Speaker 2: number of flights peeked ahead of the UN Climate Conference
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Speaker 2: in December. Your state of South Australia wants to have
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Speaker 2: a UN talkfest there in a couple of years' time.
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Speaker 2: You know, hypocrisy, hypocrisy. Your name is a private jet owner,
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Speaker 2: it really is Peter.
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Speaker 1: And of course we see those private jets popping up
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Speaker 1: every global elite event, the World Cup, Davos, COP twenty
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Speaker 1: eight or whatever it is, you name it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, the state government here, of course, is trying to
51:02
Speaker 1: attract that global glitterardy crowd because that's what the Melanawskis
51:05
Speaker 1: government loves doing. It should be a campaign slogan of
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Speaker 1: bread and circuses in this state. That's all we get,
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Speaker 1: golf tournaments, racing car events. But you know, if they're
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Speaker 1: really serious, we'd open up our natural resources and drill, baby, drill,
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Speaker 1: gotta leave their gens.
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Speaker 2: See you both next week. That's even me. Andrew Bolt's
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Speaker 2: up next