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Overcome the Mindsets that Could be Holding you Back | a conversation with Sara Hagerty · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: Hi friends, welcome to the Simply Wholehearted community.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Amy Wicks, your host, and here at Simply Wholehearted, we enjoy talking about the gospel messages your heart was created to hear, Enneagram insights, and how you can be confident that you are the best mom.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: We are well on our way into a shiny new year and a new decade.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're anything like me, you are looking for all the permission that you can find to ease into this year before the next busy season begins.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the deal.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't just want to offer a warm and fuzzy feeling conversation.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: I want it to be a conversation that you can walk away from feeling like these new rhythms are not only life-giving, but also fun.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because I believe if we make what's important to us a little more fun, we will actually find ourselves doing what matters to us.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Sarah Haggerty has been another frequent guest on the podcast, and today she's going to offer up her message and personal experience about worship and how adoration will strengthen your wholehearted rhythms this year.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just a few weeks ago, Sarah and I had the joy of hanging out for a weekend with a few close friends and Sarah's seventh child, Charlotte Jane.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: We spent most of the weekend enjoying new scenery and reflection.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: But we also squeezed in this conversation about her new book, Adore, coming out March 31st.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, if you've been around here for a while, you know we're often talking about the Enneagram.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: And though Sarah and I can be found talking about the Enneagram frequently, that didn't quite make it into our conversation today.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: But at the end, we talk about how you can get my Enneagram 101 video guide for free.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: So stay tuned for all the details.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: When it comes to worship, I think of the three big ways we encounter him with our whole selves: our heart, our mind, and our body.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: So when you need a listening ear and to feel connected, thank God because he is listening.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: When you feel alone, you can praise God to remember he is by your side.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: And when you need a helper and defender, worship God because he acts on your behalf.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think someone needed this reminder today, and I hope you open your heart to be encouraged about the invitation of worship and adoration.
• 2:25
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• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yay, Sarah.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad to have you back on the podcast.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: And we have a special guest today.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, can she make a noise?
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: She will not on command make a noise, but we'll hear.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you will.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: We got a little extra guest.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: Charlotte Jane.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: Charlotte Jane, she's beautiful.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: My sweet baby.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: Can you say hi?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: Not yet.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: So you have been busy since we last talked and you were on the podcast.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: So give us a little update about your newest editions.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've been birthing a book and a baby.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: You seem to do this simultaneously.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: I I have said though, I'm gonna keep writing.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to keep birthing babies.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: The arms might get a little full.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: In 2019, we got sort of the shock of our lives, and I uh found out I was pregnant, which man, we've had three of those big shockers after many, many, many years of um longing.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty crazy.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: And simultaneously, I finished writing a book that's coming out very shortly called Adore.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: So excited.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot about the message, uh, but the book cover itself is beautiful.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: I know my team is awesome.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like they just keep getting better.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's exciting.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm I'm ready to help get this message out there, and I'm thrilled to get to be one of the first podcasts to get to share it.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's the very first, yeah.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the very first.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because I want to shout it from the rooftops.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone needs to get their hands on this.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: But not just because it's a beautiful book, but the message, the message of adoration.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: We are talking about three new wholehearted rhythms that we're incorporating into our year.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Every year, actually, this is our third annual uh wholehearted new year series, and we talk about word, worship, and write.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_03: So awesome.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that a lot of times we are given this message of January 1st.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta know your goals, you gotta know your dreams, and like just you set off and you don't look back.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that the Lord wants to give us permission um and the invitation to ease into the new year and like to reflect, right?
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: And we talk about fasting, and we talk about just taking that time.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so this year we're kind of talking about the fact that we don't just want to talk about word worship and right, but we want to talk about the rhythm of incorporating them in our year.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I know you personally have an amazing rhythm of worship and word and right.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: You example all of those, but I really see that adoration is not only it could be defined as worship, but they're intertwined and interconnected in such a beautiful way.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I thought adoration and just sharing about a door would be perfect for our worship week.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I would love for you to share your heart about adoration, how you see it as worship, and how that plays into your daily rhythm.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe if I tell a little bit of the backstory, I um I don't know, maybe it was 10 years ago now, got coffee with a friend who I'd known fairly well, and this was in the throes of our infertility, and we were having um 12 years, right?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: 12 years, yeah.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: And we were also, excuse me, we were also uh in the throes of some adoption stuff, and we just were catching up on life, and I think she heard in my voice, I mean, I speculate, I've never gone back and asked her, just the cynicism that comes when you've had a lot of hard knocks.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think sometimes we we assume cynicism is just kind of a personality bent when in reality, usually you can trace cynicism, at least in my own life, I can trace it back to some just hurt and hard that I hadn't yet identified.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, or maybe I identified but didn't really do much more than identifying.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: And so she just didn't know what to do with it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: So she said at the end of our at the end of getting coffee, she was like, you know, have you considered adoration?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Well, sure, who hasn't, you know, adoration, act, you know, acts, adoration, confession, thanksgiving, supplication.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure I've adored God somewhere in there.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: And she was like, No, I mean, like, actually really diving into different characteristics of God and adoring him.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: And she impacted a little bit for me.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: And though this is not totally my personality to just jump on the next thing, I really felt the challenge, like, I think there's something there for me.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so I started adoring God.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: I started looking at the aspects of his character and his nature in scripture, at first, just ones that were in the Psalms, you know, like going through the Psalms or different characteristics that I saw in like devotionals.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: But then over time, I started to take the parts of God, of God's character and his nature that I really wrestle with and adore those parts of him, adore him from that angle.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: And that is sort of how it became worship to me, because I think sometimes we we look at people raising their hands in church or we we sing songs that seem so far from our reality.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so really every day it doesn't feel like we can access worship.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: But adoration for me has been a little bit of a bridge between kind of my the things I wrestle with about God and his word and have enabled me to like worship, really, but in a in a way that doesn't feel so sanitized.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I think we can easily, especially in the Western culture of church, we can equate worship to feeling and emotion, yeah, to have all the right elements in place, right?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: The lights just right, the guitar players on cookie, and and we forget that the invitation is to enter in every day without all the extra.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think you have a really good answer to this.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: How do we enter into worship and adoration when the feelings aren't there?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's such a good question.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I think to for me, adoration has become like the thing I do when the feelings aren't there.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I have I've felt over time, like, okay, this cynicism and this bitterness that I feel, or this, I mean, grumpiness, um, stress, anxiety, I can't bottle, put those in a bottle to just unpack in the early morning or just on Sundays.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: The reality is they bleed out into every part of my life.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so adoration for me has been the personal rule for me has been when I don't feel like it, and at a really a time that feels the least likely time to talk to God, that's when I want to adore.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because if he, you know, I I had this concept of radical when I was a new believer that meant like flying across an ocean and adopting children or moving to some, you know, remote place, impoverished place.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: And and not that those things, God wouldn't call us to those things, but the truth is he really can have us be radical at two o'clock on a Monday if we can turn our hearts even as as murky as our murky thoughts are, turn our hearts to him there.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: We talk a lot about broken-hearted moments because it's those broken-hearted moments, whether collectively or one big moment, that end up leading us and can do one of two things.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: We can spiral out and we can stay there, or we can spiral upward and take those brokenhearted moments that would lead us to a whole-hearted decision, which is surrender and reliance on the Lord, going, I can't do it on my own.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I need the Lord to help me get to wholehearted love, to wholehearted rhythms, to wholehearted community, all the things in our life that we want to be wholehearted at.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: We can't do it on our own.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: So for you, was there one moment, I'm guessing probably collective of moments, of those broken-hearted moments that led and lead you to ongoing whole-hearted worship and adoration?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, there's been so many that I can think of recently, but I think earlier on with adoration, our family grew super fast.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: So we had all these years where it was just Nate and I and sort of the single life, the two of us.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then we in a short amount of time had four kids within two years because of adoption.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then shortly thereafter, I mean not so shortly, but you know, I got pregnant, and so I just was completely overwhelmed by life.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: And feeling like I'm gonna drown in this.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like all I wanted, not all I wanted, but for for a period of time, what I really wanted was to be a mom.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: And here I am now a mom, and I'm totally stinking at it, and I feel like I can't get my head above water.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: And it was not, you know, I had been practicing adoration, but I think it was during that time that I I really realized like I meant to talk to God right now.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like, He wants to talk to me now, not to enter into the inner thought life that I have where I think He's gonna coach me and tell me what a failure I am and how much I just can't get my act together, but really He wants to enter into that terrible Monday morning where I'm like, I can't do this, and I can't do it another day, and I'm exhausted and it feels like things are falling apart.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: He wants to enter into that and give me an opportunity to see how he really sees me.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I I guess I wouldn't say there was one moment, but kind of a series of moments where it was like, man, he might have thoughts about me that are different than my thoughts about me.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of times we even see potentially adoration and worship to be practiced unto getting something and receiving something from the Lord, which I think we always do.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: We receive his presence.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's interesting because you are talking about for 12 years you pray for something, for that moment of motherhood, to to have that role, that title, that experience, and you're there, and it's maybe not all it's cracked up to be, and it is so much more, but it's also so much harder than you think it's gonna be.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's like the Lord is, I think, often saying to us, This is when I want to talk to you.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, I think I tend to like when I feel really good about myself, that's when I want to open my Bible because I want to perform for him.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: And he's going, Hey, I have words for you in your grumpiest moment when you are feeling in a fog, when you're angry, and and not words to kind of coach you into a better version of you.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what's been profound for me is like worship can happen when I'm changing the laundry over, and instead of having the script in my head be, man, I can't believe I've failed this kid again, and there's no way that I'm gonna get them to their practice on time.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: And how did we forget that assignment that they needed to finish?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of all that in my head, it's Lord, you know, whether it's from you know, Psalm 139.1, Lord, you've searched me and you know me.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know this moment, you know how this moment feels so fraught with anxiety.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: You see my heart's desire to do this well, you know me.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: That I mean, adoration right there is I'm changing the laundry, changing the script in my head.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's beautiful.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: For for the rest of us who can't get our hands on the book yet, um, there is an ability to pre-order it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: But give us a description, paint a picture of what this adoration book, what the messages are in there, what we can expect uh to glean from your experience of uncovering what adoration and worship looks like in the everyday.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I th Adoration, the book, Adore, is really about how to have God intersect your middle minutes.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: How to have the radical life in God that doesn't necessarily mean the one big decision that you've been angling towards for years, but it means communing with Him at three o'clock.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: And when we say that, I think three o'clock on a Wednesday, we think, well, now I've got to get this discipline down.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: This book is not about discipline, it's really about God's ever-always eyes on you and desire to connect and communicate with you in your middle minutes.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: So it's practical.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in in some ways, I feel like it's such a lofty word, adoration.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: If we're gonna access it, we need to know practically what does it look like for me, who I am, who is not someone naturally prone to worship.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: How can I find God and actually adore him?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's so great.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm assuming you are sharing some of your personal stories.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of stories.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of stories.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I just learn by story and I tend to love to write by story.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the first half of the book is a lot of story of how adoration impacted my life and really what um what it looks like to see God as he really is.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then the second half of the book, I'm giving you tools on how to do it on your own through story, but through story and scripture, and basically I want to hand you the blueprints.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, here's what it can look like if you want to start talking to God in the middle of your day.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do you write out the characteristics of God that help prompt adoration and then what that might look like?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, thank you.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we I polled my um Instagram feed.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what are the parts, what are the sides of God that you wrestle with the most?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of interesting to see universally some aspects of God that we all struggle with.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so from there, I I developed 30 characteristics of God that tend to be the ones we wrestle with the most.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I have scripture associated with those characteristics, a story from my own life, how my adoration kind of shifted my internal chemistry, even if it was just for a day.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then practical questions for how you can actually not only adore, but then engage with God through that um how he's revealed in scripture, that particular characteristic is revealed in scripture.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Someone could even take the book, read the stories, be maybe get some perspective, but then they could practically for 30 days walk out a practice every day as they're wanting to incorporate in their life.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I say 30 days, 30 weeks, 30 months.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it the book really could sit by your bedside table.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: The first half of the book is a lot of foundation for just painting a picture of God who isn't waiting for us to just come to him in this like serene morning light with a candle and quiet when everything's perfect.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then for so that's the first half of the book.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: The second half half of the book really is hey, what if you set yourself to this and said, God, I I want to start to talk to you in the least likely times of my day, and I want to see what radical can feel like in my internal life, not just externally.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: And you could do that at your own pace.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it some people may go through it in 30 days, and some people may take 30 months.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's so great because to just have that access right there.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: I would love that about your Instagram feed is that I know I can always hop on Instagram, go to Sarah Hagary Rights, and right there I'm gonna be prompted to worship and I'm gonna get some scripture, and that's wonderful, but it's also really great to just have it on your nightstand table, and you don't have to hop on your phone.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you don't have have to hop onto Instagram, and it's the prompts that are at the end.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and it's the prompts for the people like me that are not inclined to pick up like a devotional book and be prompted.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I uh need a lot of hand holding for how to get out of my head and really talk to the Lord um while I'm cooking dinner.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: To be coached and prompted and yeah, and not not necessarily from a discipline perspective, but more so like just my eyes need to be open that he's actually really kind towards me and he wants to talk to me at those times.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: He's not waiting for me to clean myself up in order to have a really good quiet time.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um these are prompts for the messy ones like me who we can't clean ourselves up enough to get before him and actually feel good about it.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think one of the things that we're talking about this year is how these whole-hearted rhythms, not just word worship and right, but the other things we'll be talking about through the year, that if we figure out how to make it fun for us, we are more inclined to practice it.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you address a really important element here is the reminder that we don't have to clean ourselves up and it doesn't have to be perfect in order for us to practice practice adoration and worship.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: So for you, when you've got a house full of seven kids now and you're writing and you're sharing your words, how does it look to make adoration and worship and the practice of that more fun for you?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So not only do you long to do it, but it you it's life-giving, and and it's even an example to your kids.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: How do we make adoration and worship fun?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think for me, it's like, what is it replacing that was already there?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Where where was the placeholder?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um and a lot of times for me, it's picking up my phone, which I mean, how all of us can agree that if you have some dead minutes, even if it's three minutes, you're sitting in the waiting room for your kid who's got a dentist appointment, and you you scroll for even that three minutes, how many of us feel like some level of ig afterwards?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: Unless we have an intention for doing it, like a reason why.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, or during the day, if I've got three minutes while I'm putting laundry away in different bedrooms, like, am I gonna replay a conversation where I just felt like I didn't say what I wanted to say or didn't handle myself well, or am I going to adore?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think the fun of it for me is um maybe less of like the activity fun and more of like, man, something inside of me gets lifted when I talk to God in the dentist's office, waiting for my kid's appointment, instead of scrolling and looking at what other people are doing, that there's no way that I would be able to do or pull off in my life.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Or what would it look like to talk to God um putting my kids' laundry away instead of berating myself because I can't believe I didn't handle myself well in a certain situation?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Or instead of like playing the litany of here's what I've missed, here's what I need to get done, instead of tasking in my mind.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's sort of a new definition for fun.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like rip roar and fun fun, but I would say it definitely like lifts me out of myself, which is in some ways really fun.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what we're gonna be spending the year on is redefining what fun is.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for fun as a kid, it's Disneyland, it's the roller coaster.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Which we need some of that too.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely so fun.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: But what is so filling, what is nourishing to us, how we walk away better.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And happier and more joyful from a situation.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Or a day.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I think of Proverbs 31 where it says she laughed at the days ahead.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like that isn't her, like in the moment of something super hysterical.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: That is her like leaning into a part of God that is I can trust him.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: I can rest and laugh and be lighthearted because of him.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I think adoration is completely the bridge into that.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: It is because we I think as adults, especially as I continue to unpack what is fun for me and what does fun look like, I have to be, it's it's almost like the Sabbath trust.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: I have to be able to rest in the fact that if I take a break to have fun and create that meaningful moment with my kids or for myself, um, and then and unto the Lord, then I have to be trusting him in the process.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: And if I don't trust him, then I don't completely relax and have fun.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: And how do I get to trust?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's not this again, forced, mustered up attitude or or faith.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's that the practicing of worship and his character and and mulling it over and allowing that to fill my mind, and eventually I believe it.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually it's like, oh, I am there.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: I do trust that he is a sustainer and giver and my provider and source of strength and my energy and all the things that I feel like I don't have enough of in order to engage in the joy of the everyday.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, he he can meet me in that um through the practice of adoration.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: You too, shut it.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta do these podcast interviews for me.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is so good.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited for people to um not only hear this conversation, but I hope that immediately you're going to hop onto Amazon and you're gonna pre-order the book.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And here's the deal: if you guys didn't know this, I think you probably know this, but if you pre-order the book, you don't get charged for it until the day of release, and they send it to you like the day of release, and you get the lowest price.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So just throwing it out there.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Very awesome.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: And if you hold on to your receipt in a couple of weeks, we're gonna have some really great things that we are giving away.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: One of which being the first few chapters of the audiobook.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's gonna be amazing.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's a there's some other great stuff too, but it hold on to your receipt if you pre-order.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and we gotta talk about the audiobook real quick because tell us who did the audiobook.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: I did this.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: Is the first book that I've been able to record myself, which is crazy because I had a two-month-old baby and I'm thinking, why am I doing this?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it worked out and it was super fun.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the studio itself, the guys that we work with are awesome locally.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, normally you travel, but we get to do it locally.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's so great.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: A local crew.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: I need to be like, hey, you need any audiobooks?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'd love to do it.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think it'd be fun.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: You could you could totally do it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: It is, I mean, it maybe the fun part of it, if we're redefining fun, is it was like totally quiet.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in like a little bit of a vacuum and recording for hours.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: That was pretty awesome.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: We're redefining fun with seven kids.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: So you got to do the audiobook, and it sounds like you said maybe the first three chapters free with the pre-order.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: And you'll have some other gifts, and then I'm throwing my hat in the ring for some pre-order gifts.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so if you purchase and pre-order the book, whether it's Amazon, Target, save your receipt, there's an order confirmation number, then you can just email me.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have the contact information in the show notes, and you will get my free easy Enneagram 101 course that you can use, and it's less than 30 minutes, you can take it on your phone.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: So some of you, if you've been vaccinating, it is, it's just gonna help you know what the Enneagram is, what it's not, and what could be dangerous about the Enneagram.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: So if some of you have like friends that are going, I don't know, what's this Enneagram or family, or you can take it and feel like, oh, I can be confident that I really understand what I'm getting into when I read a little bit more about the Enneagram.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: Woo-hoo!
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Sarah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having this conversation, and I'm just again, I'm thrilled and honored to get to be a part of it in some small way, and just excited to see the impact that these words are gonna have.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, friend.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: I am always compelled to draw closer to God when I'm with Sarah, and I'm sure you feel the same.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: I also wish this conversation had been videoed so you could see the adorable Charlotte.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: She's such a sweetie.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you make the choice to overcome some of your objections or your perceived limitations to make worship and adoration one of your wholehearted rhythms in 2020.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: I want you to have your best year yet.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now be sure to fill out the form in the show notes once you pre-order a door from your favorite retailer so you can get your bonus gifts from me, the Enneagram 101 video guide.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Then follow Sarah Haggerty Wrights on Instagram or Facebook to stay in the loop when she makes the announcement for her pre-order bonuses.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that'll be happening soon.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, whether worship looks like a whisper prayer of praise, or 30 minutes with your favorite worship band streaming, I hope you know the Lord delights in those who want to get closer to him.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, next week we're going to continue our conversation about wholehearted rhythms with Wright and another favorite guest of the show, Beth McCord.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: She and her husband not only came out with the Becoming Us book last fall, but they also released a journal book for each Enneagram type.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you haven't heard of your Enneagram Coach, this is the program I received my certification and training from.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: And they have many Christ-centered certified have many Christ-centered Enneagram resources.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Beth is so down to earth and always a joy to talk with.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you've enjoyed this episode as you continue to prepare for the year ahead.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: It would mean the world to me to have you share this podcast with your girlfriends and leave a rating with the review so others know what to expect and to know that they are welcome to join this community.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: So until next time, let's invite others to join us to pursue perspective, purpose, and plans for a simply wholehearted life.