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Bucky on Offensive Strategy and Defensive Personnel | Huddle Up: Wednesday, May 24 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Fields Onto Group proudly presents Huddle.
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Speaker 2: Up with Bucky.
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Speaker 1: Brooks, JP Shadrick, John Oser, and NFL Network analyst and
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Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on your
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jackwars.
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Speaker 3: We're not done.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna continue to work to build this team to
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Speaker 4: make his as potent as we can going into the
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Speaker 4: regular season.
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Speaker 5: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now.
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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May
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Speaker 2: twenty fourth, JP Shadrick, NFL Network Analyst, Bucky Brooks, Jaguars
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Speaker 2: dot Com Senior writer John Oser. Give us a listen
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Speaker 2: on the podcast page at Jaguars dot com or the
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Speaker 2: wherever you download your pods. Bucky is in person this week.
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Speaker 2: Must be some high level meetings.
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Speaker 6: Going on, high level meetings, but no, you know, I
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Speaker 6: had to come in, Like I give Jao a tough
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Speaker 6: time about OTA, so I wanted to make sure that
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Speaker 6: I leave by example, and so come in see do
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Speaker 6: the work, take notes.
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Speaker 2: It's a voluntary period.
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Speaker 3: Make sure what's going on.
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Speaker 6: But look, it's all balls football and so now we
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Speaker 6: got the helmets on, it's more like real ball. We
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Speaker 6: get a chance to see guys run around and begin
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Speaker 6: to like, you know, see who's hot, who's not, all
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Speaker 6: the other stuff.
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Speaker 5: I tell you what, anytime you come, you can have
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Speaker 5: my spot. It's a but on campus for on broadcasting
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Speaker 5: getting ready for next year, right, so you'll be back
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Speaker 5: with us again.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, like on campus, like we're getting ready for preseason
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Speaker 6: TV doing all the other stuff.
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Speaker 3: But really it was about come in and watch practice.
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Speaker 6: Man talking about practice. Watch want to see my game?
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Speaker 6: That's right, practice. I want to see Calvin Ridley and
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Speaker 6: all the crew and just I just want to see
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Speaker 6: the bells and whistles.
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Speaker 3: I miss that. You know, if you're gonna sit over
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Speaker 3: here and speculate.
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Speaker 6: About the offense being able to put thirty plus on everybody,
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Speaker 6: you want to see if it looks like what you're saying.
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Speaker 3: And it does.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's start with the offense today. Then we'll
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Speaker 2: hear from Press Taylor offensive coordinator. They've got an offensive
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Speaker 2: base established now going into the year two of the scheme.
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Speaker 4: The biggest thing is they're not hearing something for the
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Speaker 4: first time. So now we install something or talk about
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Speaker 4: a concept or get into detail. The questions they're asking
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Speaker 4: are much further beyond what they're asking last year. It
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Speaker 4: kind of gets into specifics of the defenses this Now
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Speaker 4: we do that and you have a little bit deeper
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Speaker 4: level of conversation from that, especially with the quarterbacks, which
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Speaker 4: is always the goal to be on the same page
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Speaker 4: with those guys. So it's been fun to see all
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Speaker 4: our guys take the next step in the system.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we've had limited time seeing this team. They've
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Speaker 2: only been in Phase three for two days as we
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Speaker 2: record this on Wednesday, So I don't know if you
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Speaker 2: can see too much of that so far. But what
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Speaker 2: can you see in the little time you've seen back?
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Speaker 5: Well, Bucky can Evidently Bucky can see it because he's
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Speaker 5: here for here you practicing. How good is this offense?
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Speaker 3: Back?
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Speaker 5: Or how good can it be?
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Speaker 3: The offense canna be really good?
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Speaker 6: Like and I know this is hype season where everyone
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Speaker 6: is a hype bunny. We're talking about these guys and
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Speaker 6: everyone gets excited about it, but it's real when you
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Speaker 6: talk about the potential of this offense.
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence looks great. He looks great because he's very.
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Speaker 6: Comfortable in the offense, Doug Peterson is kind of like
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Speaker 6: step back. He's kind of hanging in the back and
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Speaker 6: just kind of overseeing the entire operation. But you can
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Speaker 6: tell that this offense is operating at a high level.
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Speaker 6: And when you throw in Calvin Ridley, who kind of
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Speaker 6: goes in and out the lineup when it comes to practice.
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Speaker 6: Because I'm talking to Doug Peterson, he talked about you
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Speaker 6: got to kind of protect him against himself because.
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Speaker 3: He work so hard.
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Speaker 6: Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk being able to with Zay Jones in.
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Speaker 6: Evan Ingram is in here, but you've seen Brandon Strange
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Speaker 6: jump in and you can just see what this offense
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Speaker 6: could be. Travis Dentien looks good, and I'll say, man Bigsby,
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Speaker 6: try Bigsby like he looks apart. He's big, look he
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Speaker 6: looks the part. He looks like a lean, mean fighting machine.
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Speaker 6: He looks the part. And so when you have so
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Speaker 6: many different pieces, we saw Doug Peterson kind of get
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Speaker 6: in his bag when it came to his creativity and
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Speaker 6: his play calling. He has more at his disposal. So
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Speaker 6: it should be a lot of fun to watch. This
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Speaker 6: offense is go to work.
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Speaker 5: You guys know how optimistic I am about just life
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Speaker 5: in general.
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Speaker 3: Everything.
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Speaker 5: You know, the glass is always full, not even halfway,
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Speaker 5: not even half full, it's overflowing. If you look at
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Speaker 5: this even objectively, even taking my cynicism out of it,
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Speaker 5: this is a perfect storm offensively, meaning you've got that
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Speaker 5: year two element, which I believe is the biggest factor
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Speaker 5: for this offense, even if you were adding nothing for
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Speaker 5: any offense. But then you have Doug Peterson and Press Taylor,
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Speaker 5: that dynamic and Mike McCoy all coming back, and you've
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Speaker 5: got Doug who is a high level play caller. That's
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Speaker 5: the fire. And then you throw you know, I say
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Speaker 5: it's never happened, but you've got that dynamic of an
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Speaker 5: offensive was already top ten coming back, and you feel
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Speaker 5: like this young quarterback is going to get better, and
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Speaker 5: then you pop a potential All Pro receiver onto it.
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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say it's never happened, but that's rare.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that sort of perfect storm coming in
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Speaker 5: is rare. And uh, you know, I'm with Bucky. I
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Speaker 5: think you're sitting on an offense that I don't say
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Speaker 5: you're disappointed if they don't, if they don't get thirty
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Speaker 5: a game if they're not in that realm uh. But
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Speaker 5: getting that puts this team in last weekend of conference
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Speaker 5: playoff consideration and gives him a shot. And as much
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Speaker 5: as I'm always couching comments this time of year, I
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Speaker 5: don't really see why you can't get there.
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Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. He's over there being modesty.
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Speaker 5: Were going, But that's what I mean.
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Speaker 3: We're going deep. We're going far, like like the elementary
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Speaker 3: doesn't he doesn't say that, but you're going to.
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Speaker 6: When you just look at offensively, the five part and
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Speaker 6: the personnel that you have. You have a big time quarterback,
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Speaker 6: you have weapons, good lore where you can make it
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Speaker 6: really really difficult for the defense to match up.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 6: You have an offensive line that's still a work in progress,
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Speaker 6: but you can see the improvement. Antoine Harrison should come
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Speaker 6: in and play right away. If he plays well, then
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Speaker 6: you can kick Walk. Look, we've seen walk little kind
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Speaker 6: of move around and do some different things. And so
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Speaker 6: when Cam Robinson gets back and you have your full
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Speaker 6: compliment of guys up front, could be a very very
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Speaker 6: solid offensive line at the end and some of your
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Speaker 6: other guys being able to run the football. You can
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Speaker 6: control the pace with your offense, and your offense can
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Speaker 6: be your best defense.
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Speaker 3: The defense will be the question mark.
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Speaker 6: Can this defense play well enough to close out games?
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Speaker 3: And normally to play at the championship.
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Speaker 6: Level, you need an A plus quarterback and you need
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Speaker 6: a level pass rushers meaning plural because you got to
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Speaker 6: be able to close out the game on defense being
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Speaker 6: able to stack to the quarterback. So the question will
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Speaker 6: be the defense. But offensively, everything is there for this
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Speaker 6: team to emerge like Cincinnati emerge as a super Bowl team,
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Speaker 6: to do what Kansas City has done, being an offensive
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Speaker 6: led team that has gone to the Super Bowl. And
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Speaker 6: so when those expectations are out there, I think you
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Speaker 6: can embrace it because, yes, this team is on the
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Speaker 6: verge of being one of those teams that we talked
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Speaker 6: about in the final four.
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Speaker 2: All right, there have been five and we've talked about
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Speaker 2: this on this show, this podcast, other shows throughout the offseason.
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Speaker 2: There have been five NFL teams that have put together
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Speaker 2: three receivers of a thousand yards. Only two of those
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Speaker 2: have that plus one thousand yard rusher. This could be
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Speaker 2: another one. We've talked about it all offseason. I asked
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Speaker 2: Christian Kirk about that idea earlier this week.
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Speaker 7: You know, we know we have the potential to be
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Speaker 7: a really good group, and you know, I know from
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Speaker 7: all of us, we have that chip on our shoulder
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Speaker 7: to be respected as you know, one of the better,
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Speaker 7: you know, trios in the league. And so you know,
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Speaker 7: we're just gonna come out here. We got a chip
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Speaker 7: on our shoulder. In September, we'll be able to show that.
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Speaker 2: So that's Christian kirk full conversation coming up on Jaguars
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Speaker 2: dot Com a little later this week. You know, they've
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Speaker 2: got different skill set guys that they've got receivers that
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Speaker 2: they can move all over the formation. As you said, Bucky,
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Speaker 2: they've got the running game to go with that. By
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Speaker 2: the way, the only two with three receivers over one
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Speaker 2: thousand and a running back over one thousand, ninety five
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Speaker 2: Falcons and the two thousand and four Colts never lea history. Now,
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Speaker 2: bonus points, you can name all the players.
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Speaker 3: All the players, So what what.
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Speaker 6: What year the Cults two thousand and four Reggie Tony
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Speaker 6: Gonzalez too, right now, Anthony, that was the.
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Speaker 5: Year that Peyton went for forty nine. It was Reggie
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Speaker 5: Wayne Harris and Brandon Stokely.
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Speaker 3: James James and then the Falcons. What was that?
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Speaker 2: That was ninety five?
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Speaker 3: All the Falcons? Uh, that would be oh? That was that?
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Speaker 3: Would that would be Haynes.
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Speaker 5: The receivers on that team was rising there then right? No, No,
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Speaker 5: that was.
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Speaker 3: Shoot it's Birdie Manual Yep, correct?
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Speaker 2: Emmanuel is that Pritchard or Mecca metcalf is correct? Terrence
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Speaker 2: Mathis is the other receiver?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And then the running back, Craig Hayward.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, busted my lip. That's my leg got We're in
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Speaker 3: the stadium, last game to get into the playoffs. He
9:04
Speaker 3: busted my lip. Look, I made his kids apologize. I
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Speaker 3: made I made Cam Hayward ain't gonna hear it, made
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Speaker 3: him apologize for the dead busting my lip.
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Speaker 5: And that was the last time he tried to do that.
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Speaker 3: You know, busted my lip. I came on a bliss
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Speaker 3: and they handed the ball off. He wasn't supposed to
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Speaker 3: get the ball.
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Speaker 2: It's an improvement.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I almost think this offense might have a piece
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Speaker 5: or two too many to get three thousand yard receivers,
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Speaker 5: meaning you might see the ball spread a little bit more.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if maybe Zay Jones or Evan Ingram
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Speaker 5: I think would be the guys to get that third spot.
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Speaker 5: Then Christian really have a real shot at it.
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Speaker 8: Uh.
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Speaker 5: You might see their yards split and then both get
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Speaker 5: to the eight hundred range. But this offense is capable
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Speaker 5: of that without question. Now it's hard. I mean it's
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Speaker 5: it's hard getting that third guy there. Stokely that year
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Speaker 5: was the third guy in Indy and needed big games
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Speaker 5: late to get there because it's it's a lot of
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Speaker 5: yards for three you know, I was in the quarterback
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Speaker 5: usually has to be in that forty three forty four
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Speaker 5: because other guys get the ball as well. And then
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Speaker 5: I get edering that you had like fifteen hundred yards.
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Speaker 2: That was you know, And game flow is part of
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Speaker 2: it too. I mean, if you're up by three four touchdowns,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna be throwing the ball batch anymore. And who
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Speaker 2: says you run the ball?
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Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, you're trying to bust the clock.
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Speaker 2: Oh like I think break those scoreboards?
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I think you just go. You do what
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Speaker 3: you do.
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Speaker 6: I mean there's some people that are unapologetic about how
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Speaker 6: they play when it comes to that.
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Speaker 3: I think we've seen.
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Speaker 2: The falcons for that in the Super Bowl too, right.
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Speaker 6: I don't think Doug Dallas are back when it comes
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Speaker 6: to offensive end stuff. We've seen games in the bank
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Speaker 6: where he didn't. It seems like we should be running
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Speaker 6: the ball to run the clock out, and the ball
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Speaker 6: is still going in the air. So a lot of
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Speaker 6: it depends on the officiency at a quarterback. But I
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Speaker 6: would not expect a big dial back if you have
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Speaker 6: an opportunity to go up on people.
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Speaker 5: Now, it's it's uh, especially in this day and age
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Speaker 5: where the passing percentages are and should be so high
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Speaker 5: if you're throwing the right passes. Most coaches, you know,
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Speaker 5: especially Doug attitude would be his percentages of running clock
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Speaker 5: over the course of the season. Throwing that way, you're
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Speaker 5: gonna get first downs to keep the ball in your possession.
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Speaker 5: That negate some of the times that you don't get
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Speaker 5: it by running.
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Speaker 6: You following so bubble screens and we've seen, yeah, we've
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Speaker 6: lived on wide receiver screens. Yeah, balls come out quick,
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Speaker 6: get it till your playmakers on the perimeter. Play a
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Speaker 6: game of two on two, three on three as opposed
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Speaker 6: to eleven on eleven when it comes to the running game.
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Speaker 6: So I wouldn't expect to see him kind of dial
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Speaker 6: it back. A lot of it depends on the catch
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Speaker 6: efficiency and if Trevor's being accurate throwing it.
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Speaker 3: But if they're, if they're in rhythm, he's gonna keep throwing.
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Speaker 5: How did Trevor look to you Monday? And I know
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Speaker 5: it's just this no, but he looked so much better
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Speaker 5: he did a year ago.
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Speaker 6: It just I would say calm is the best way
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Speaker 6: to describe it. Like when you watch him, and a
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Speaker 6: lot of times when you look at the quarterbacks, their
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Speaker 6: feet are connected to their eyes, and so if their
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Speaker 6: feet are quiet and their eyes are solid, you know
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Speaker 6: that they're gonna have completions. It's not a lot of
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Speaker 6: chaos that they display. And he wasn't herky jerkie. He
12:23
Speaker 6: was on point, he was on rhythm. You can just
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Speaker 6: tell he has a great feel for what he's doing.
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Speaker 6: I think the bigger thing, though, is the addition of
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Speaker 6: Calvin really and what Calvin Ridley creates.
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Speaker 3: There were two that first practice.
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Speaker 6: There are two plays near the end of practice where
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Speaker 6: Calvin Ridley gets wide up and one on a dig
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Speaker 6: route a square and when he comes over open over
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Speaker 6: the middle, he's wide open, he catches the back end
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Speaker 6: of the football, which is just a testament to his
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Speaker 6: hand that coordination. But another he throws a deep out
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Speaker 6: and Calvin Ridley kind of SUTs steps and creates significant separation.
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Speaker 6: The ball is thrown behind him and just I mean
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Speaker 6: without a lot of effort, he just easily pulls it in,
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Speaker 6: spins up the field and goes Those are the kinds
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Speaker 6: of things that you will.
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Speaker 3: See from Calvin.
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Speaker 6: And so when we talk about resetting the pecking order,
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Speaker 6: there's a difference in what I would say good and great.
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Speaker 6: Christian Kirk is really good. Calvin Ridley has a chance
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Speaker 6: to be great. And so when you put those things
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Speaker 6: in line, Christian Kirk and Za Jones may see their
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Speaker 6: numbers pop explode because now defensive you legitimately have to
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Speaker 6: pay attention to Calvin Ridley as a number one. And
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Speaker 6: I can't say that's something that we've really seen here
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Speaker 6: in a long time.
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Speaker 5: It's a true one's since Jimmy and I.
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Speaker 3: Know Alan Robinson had a Pro Bowl year.
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Speaker 6: But I'm talking about someone where if you don't put
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Speaker 6: special attention, you can mark in the book he's going
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Speaker 6: to finish with one hundred yards, right and so that's
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Speaker 6: what he does. And so if they don't roll the
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Speaker 6: coverage or find a way to bracken him, he can
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Speaker 6: do that and then that'll create opportunities for the other
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Speaker 6: guys to go.
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Speaker 5: Jimmy Smith was a player that if you didn't cover him,
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Speaker 5: he beat you and you lost the game. And Calvin
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Speaker 5: Ridley really the first guy since then, looks like he
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Speaker 5: can be that guy.
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Speaker 2: Blackman could have been that guy.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Blacke could have been the better but you
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Speaker 5: know what happened.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's not a lot of new personnel. A
15:09
Speaker 2: lot of this personnel is back from last season, so
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Speaker 2: they didn't really go make an early splash in the draft. Obviously,
15:16
Speaker 2: they've added a couple things in free agency, but not
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Speaker 2: true front line starting eleven guys they'll rotate in and
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Speaker 2: some things like that, But for the most part, it's
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Speaker 2: a defense that knows that what they had out there
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Speaker 2: last year is what's going on there this year and
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Speaker 2: they have to improve moving ahead, and safety ray Sewn
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Speaker 2: Jenkins knows it takes work.
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Speaker 8: We saw just the potential that our team had and
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Speaker 8: you know, that small little bit of success that we
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Speaker 8: were able to have, and I feel like guys are
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Speaker 8: just more hungry for that. This is a good goal
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Speaker 8: to chase, you know, that Super Bowl. You know, everybody
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Speaker 8: wants a Super Bowl, But the work starts now. You
15:54
Speaker 8: got to put into work now and it doesn't come
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Speaker 8: come easy. We gotta saying work to win, you know,
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Speaker 8: You're not just gonna step out there and win. You
16:01
Speaker 8: got to work for it.
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Speaker 2: Right now, John, Bucky, we've talked about this a lot.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is they've spent draft equity, they've spent
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Speaker 2: free agency dollars on the defense over the last couple
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Speaker 2: of years. At some point it has to produce, right Bucky.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's up to the production of the players
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Speaker 2: and the improvement year over year, and that's what they're
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Speaker 2: banking on, I think this year.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they certainly are banking on the improvement of the
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Speaker 6: players second year and Mike cal Wills game, so you're
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Speaker 6: hoping that he improves as a play caller, understanding how
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Speaker 6: to match the schemes with the personnel that he has.
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Speaker 6: You also have to make sure that you play defense
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Speaker 6: that match the division of how the head coach wants
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Speaker 6: to play the entire game.
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Speaker 3: This is complimentary ball.
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Speaker 6: The offense matches the defense with the special teams, and
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Speaker 6: so if we're talking about the offense being a high
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Speaker 6: end offense, well maybe the defense doesn't have to be
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Speaker 6: a shutdown defense, meaning that you don't need the defense
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Speaker 6: to hold everyone under seventeen points and go all out
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Speaker 6: and blitz and stop the run and do all those
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Speaker 6: other things. Maybe it's hey, defensively, let's make the opponent
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Speaker 6: die a slow death, meaning keep the ball in front,
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Speaker 6: contain everything, make them have ten twelve fourteen play drives
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Speaker 6: and see if they can score that way on us,
17:12
Speaker 6: and we'll play for the turnover because we know offensively
17:16
Speaker 6: we're gonna put up points. The other part to that
17:18
Speaker 6: is we can play maybe a little bend, but don't
17:20
Speaker 6: break because we're up there going to chase points. And
17:23
Speaker 6: so now our pass rush is able to get home.
17:26
Speaker 6: And so the big key to that is can you
17:29
Speaker 6: rush the passer? And the other thing is can you
17:31
Speaker 6: keep the ball from flying over the top of the defense?
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Speaker 3: So does that mean more zone? Is that?
17:36
Speaker 1: Man?
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Speaker 3: But we play it better?
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Speaker 6: A lot of it depends on the personnelity, and that's
17:40
Speaker 6: what they'll do, trying to try and sort ox.
17:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna find out and camp in preseason how
17:45
Speaker 5: they're going to try to range the front seven. Rachhon
17:48
Speaker 5: Jenkins need to find this defense. Last year. I don't
17:52
Speaker 5: think he's a Pro Bowl guy, but I think he
17:55
Speaker 5: is a guy who stays in the game on every
17:59
Speaker 5: play and believes greatly in himself. And as a result,
18:05
Speaker 5: even in games where the defense wasn't necessarily great. I'm
18:09
Speaker 5: thinking Dallas overall defense wasn't great that day, but ray
18:13
Speaker 5: Sean came up with two huge plays that tipped the game.
18:16
Speaker 5: The Jaguars favor plays at big moments. If this defense
18:22
Speaker 5: had a strength last year, that was it. It was
18:23
Speaker 5: fourth in the league in turnovers. Ray Sean sort of
18:26
Speaker 5: defined that. And back to what Bucky said, when you
18:29
Speaker 5: draft two players one in twenty seven in twenty twenty two,
18:36
Speaker 5: you expect them to be, especially with their front seven players,
18:39
Speaker 5: you expect them to be the reason you're good defensively
18:42
Speaker 5: the following year, not twenty three, not twenty two necessarily,
18:45
Speaker 5: but by twenty three. So if you're going to be
18:49
Speaker 5: a draft and developed team, I've said a million times
18:51
Speaker 5: this offseason, if you're gonna be a draft and developed team,
18:55
Speaker 5: first round picks in their second season need to be
19:00
Speaker 5: why you're a good team. And that's on Trayvon and Devin.
19:04
Speaker 2: This year.
19:04
Speaker 3: It is on Trayvon and Devin.
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Speaker 6: And what I will say, without giving away any trade,
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Speaker 6: tis that I want to coach to be mad at it.
19:09
Speaker 6: You can see that they're trying to do some different
19:11
Speaker 6: things to acinuate what they have. From a personnel standpoint,
19:17
Speaker 6: you can see that they're trying to simplify and make
19:19
Speaker 6: things easy so you don't see a lot of mental
19:21
Speaker 6: mistakes or some of the things that plague the team
19:24
Speaker 6: early last year. And so as they simplify and try
19:27
Speaker 6: and make it where the defense, you hear them talk
19:28
Speaker 6: about play fast.
19:29
Speaker 3: We want to play fast. We want to make.
19:30
Speaker 6: Sure we're free and flowing and going to the ball
19:33
Speaker 6: and doing those things.
19:34
Speaker 3: What to do that you can't have a guy's thinking, and.
19:37
Speaker 6: So you can just tell and watch in practice they're
19:39
Speaker 6: trying to simplify some of the things so guys know
19:41
Speaker 6: exactly what they're doing, and so over time they'll be
19:45
Speaker 6: able to play faster because they're reacting, not thinking about
19:47
Speaker 6: what's about to happen.
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Speaker 2: Josh Allen in this conversation too, obviously fifth year, contract year.
19:54
Speaker 6: It's time. I mean, here's the thing. But I mean
19:57
Speaker 6: we could talk about, hey, we need pastors to this.
19:59
Speaker 6: What we see certainly can't say is that they haven't
20:02
Speaker 6: tried to invest in the position.
20:04
Speaker 3: And so when you think.
20:04
Speaker 6: About the first round picks that have been allocated to
20:08
Speaker 6: that spot, you can go Calebon Chase and Josh Allen,
20:11
Speaker 6: Trayvon Walker, I mean, even Devin Lloyd to that end.
20:14
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about four guys that you've invested in.
20:19
Speaker 6: At some point, those guys have to play up to
20:22
Speaker 6: their draft status. And that's not putting extra pressure, that's
20:27
Speaker 6: just what it is.
20:27
Speaker 3: Those the facts. When your first round pick, you're expected
20:29
Speaker 3: to play at a certain level.
20:30
Speaker 2: Taper Bryan was the first round pick too, by the way,
20:33
Speaker 2: but he's long gone.
20:34
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's six seasons, but in that five
20:37
Speaker 5: season range, exactly right. You've got four first round picks
20:41
Speaker 5: invested in your front seven. It's time.
20:45
Speaker 6: I mean it has to be like so we can
20:47
Speaker 6: because we were talking about some of the conversation be well,
20:50
Speaker 6: who can they get off the streets? I mean the
20:52
Speaker 6: answer should come from within the locker room, the guys
20:55
Speaker 6: that are already the guys that are always on the ross.
20:57
Speaker 6: So yes, maybe you bring in a vet to enhance
21:01
Speaker 6: that or add to that supplement that.
21:03
Speaker 3: But one of those guys that we talked about has
21:06
Speaker 3: to step up.
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Speaker 6: Josh Allen, Treymon Walker, Devin somebody has to step up.
21:11
Speaker 3: And in a.
21:12
Speaker 6: Perfect way, you need to have two double digit sack artists,
21:15
Speaker 6: and so who are gonna be the guys that can
21:16
Speaker 6: get sacks when we need them?
21:18
Speaker 5: Curious. I don't think the books closed on Josh Allen yet,
21:21
Speaker 5: meaning I'm not talking about his future. I'm not to talk
21:23
Speaker 5: about the contract, but this will be the first time.
21:28
Speaker 5: I'm assuming they're gonna be good offensively. Last year they
21:31
Speaker 5: were good offensively, but if you remember the end of
21:36
Speaker 5: that season, this team went nine to eight, and five
21:40
Speaker 5: of their wins I'm kind of one of the playoff
21:43
Speaker 5: games too. They had to come from behind by ten
21:47
Speaker 5: points down in five of their ten wins. Well, being
21:52
Speaker 5: down double digits is not necessarily a recipe for pass rushing. No,
21:56
Speaker 5: so if this offense is better if you're playing with leads,
22:02
Speaker 5: it realistically will be the first time that anybody on
22:05
Speaker 5: this defense, the pass rushers, has played a lot in
22:09
Speaker 5: that situation. It felt to me last couple of years
22:14
Speaker 5: like Josh was close a lot. His stat pressures sort
22:18
Speaker 5: of line up.
22:19
Speaker 2: With that, certainly down the stretch last season.
22:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I like the kid a lot, and everybody
22:25
Speaker 5: who knows him likes him and they're pulling for him.
22:27
Speaker 5: He's a guy that you want. So maybe I'm a
22:29
Speaker 5: little jaded by that, but I'm not so sure that
22:32
Speaker 5: he still can't be at least a really really good
22:35
Speaker 5: pass rusher.
22:36
Speaker 2: Well, we're about to find out. Well in a few
22:39
Speaker 2: months at least. Maybe not right now. OTAs are underway.
22:43
Speaker 2: One more this week, three more next week for the
22:46
Speaker 2: week after that maybe, and then the veteran mini camp
22:49
Speaker 2: the week after that. That's the schedule ahead. And it's
22:52
Speaker 2: John's favorite time of the year. It tops Christmas, I think,
22:56
Speaker 2: And that's hard to do with John.
22:57
Speaker 5: I love Christmas, but I love me unpadded work. It's
23:04
Speaker 5: it's good stuff. And again i'd be I'd be really surprised.
23:08
Speaker 5: Here's very many veterans here for that last one, but
23:12
Speaker 5: it'll be a big week for the rookies.
23:14
Speaker 2: Bucky, good to see you, man.
23:16
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun. Man.
23:16
Speaker 6: It's a lot of fun being down here with you guys,
23:18
Speaker 6: being able to like see y'all face to face and
23:20
Speaker 6: come to practice and do everything. I feel like I
23:22
Speaker 6: need to do it more. I need to come down
23:23
Speaker 6: morning to hang out.
23:24
Speaker 2: In real estate in Jacksonville where uh we live here
23:28
Speaker 2: back We're always here.
23:30
Speaker 5: Anytime you get down.
23:32
Speaker 2: Come on over swing in Yes, we can do that.
23:36
Speaker 3: We can do that. We can do that, as.
23:37
Speaker 6: Long as you make sure you take care of mee
23:38
Speaker 6: those concert tickets for you're always reading stuff.
23:42
Speaker 2: Bcelli has the couch access, you know.
23:44
Speaker 3: That's I think.
23:45
Speaker 2: I Oh he does. Okay, he doesn't really dole it
23:48
Speaker 2: out too much.
23:50
Speaker 5: He needs a cat.
23:53
Speaker 2: That's John Oser, Bucky Brooks. I'm JP Shadwick are Thanks
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Speaker 2: to Joe Fortunado, and thanks to you for listening to
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Speaker 2: the Huddle podcast