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Yoreh De’ah 189:4-8. Niddah: Veses, Established vs Irregular, Onah Beinonis, Variable Set Patterns, Dilug · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK. Good morning.
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  We are continuing with Simon Coof, Paytat of the veset.
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  How do we establish it right? The main issue is to be at
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  Mafrish or to worry for that time, All right, Anytime it's a
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  veset kavua. So once that veset comes, you
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  cannot be with your wife until she checks.
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  Or if there's no vested kavua, she's supposed to check for all
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  of them, or at least if it's on the Ona benonit, then she cannot
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  be with that. You cannot be with your wife
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  until she checks. OK, so let's read inside with
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  Dalid. All right, this whole state of
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  mind. It might be a little easier if
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  you work with the calendar and put your exes and Marks and
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  whatever on a calendar. But here you are Dalid.
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  Oh the yeah look bane kavaso shalosh PE Amin.
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  Look kavaso shalosh PE Amin there.
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  It's there is a difference between a vested kavua and a
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  vested shaina kavua that's been established with three times or
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  not established 3 times. Shah kavua alpha pisha avra
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  onasso Volorgisha, because if it's a vested Kavua and then it
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  passes nor Gasha right. So then for sure she's not going
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  to we assume she's not Anita there I so let's say nor a
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  dasha. But then still asura Lashami.
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  She cannot be with her husband until she checks with tinsa
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  Tahara and then she finds out that she's clean.
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  Tahara Vishalu Kabasa shalosh P Amin imigiaz mana vesit
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  villobadka villorata. It's if it's vesit kavua in a
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  past that that vesit passes. So then she must check or she
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  cannot be with her husband, right?
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  We just said that. But if there's no vesit kavua
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  and the time of, of what may have been the vesit passes,
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  whatever the pattern is you have when a pattern started or
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  whatever it is generally right. The main 3 is vesit kodesh,
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  vestit haflaga or ona benonit villobadka villorata.
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  She didn't check Kevan chavra ona so mutteret.
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  But that's what I just said starting out.
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  I should have read it first since it passes.
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  She's mutter, right? She should have checked during
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  the vestit, but she didn't, so she's mutter.
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  However, that's only for two out of the three that I just
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  mentioned. That's for the Vestita Kodesh
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  and the haflaga, the ona benonit, but the she, but the
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  ona benonit, which is the haflaga of the 30th day, 29 days
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  later, 30th day, Dina kavasit kavua.
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  So that has a din of a vesit kavua for the salafa that she
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  can't be with her husband until she chucks.
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  OK, pretty simple. Let's go to hex.
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  I'll just say no so I don't forget someone asked a great
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  question. When you guys, what's the
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  difference between vesit Shavua and haflaga, right?
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  But if it's always going to be let's say 4 weeks, always on
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  Monday. So that's OK.
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  It is every four weeks, every on Monday.
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  But it's Vasila Shavua. But it's also a haflaga of 20 of
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  right? We would call it Twenty 90s,
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  exactly 29, a flag of 20 nineties, which is always 28
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  days later comes out to be the same thing.
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  So there is a difference. In other words, to establish it,
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  do you need 3 or 4 times? Because to to make a haflaga you
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  need 4 times. You need a starting to right?
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  Because it's just intervals vested off.
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  A shavua can be established 3 times.
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  It also makes a difference if without getting into all the
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  details but when you work it out it'll be obvious to you.
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  If she misses what you the expected vesit kavua, then it
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  might then it. It also makes a difference when
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  you have to worry about the next time.
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  And the arakashukhan in Ted Vaq points out though, once she gets
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  an established vesit kavua for haflaga, then that Trump's takes
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  precedence over vesit hashvua. In other words, once you get
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  established, you're 29 days away.
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  We just phrased it the 29th day. Then if that once you get that
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  four times, so he writes that's called the haflaga for four
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  times. And then you're worried for
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  that. Only you're not worried about
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  vesadah shavuah. But anyways, that's Kanaya and
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  Sham. Let's see where this fits in.
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  Pamim shetiah flaga Shakovat Bahem Havasit vidiluk.
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  So we established we already. It's pretty simple.
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  We know what a vested haflaga is.
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  That is constant every 29th day, or a constant every 30th day or
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  33rd day. Whatever it is, it's a constant
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  fine, and you need 4 times to establish it. 4 scenes, 4
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  vestos, 4 flows of blood, four times.
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  But at the Haflaga itself, the intervals is only three, right?
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  In order to make a vessel Kabua, you need three times.
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  That's the general rule. If it's for Haflaga, then you
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  need 3 intervals, which require 4 scenes, but it's really 3
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  intervals. OK, So again, it's three.
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  That's what I'm trying to stress.
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  So now we're going to throw in I don't use a call it a curveball
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  or whatever you want. A another parameter is is
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  Bidilug. It's changing every month.
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  It's true. It's a more or less set
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  interval, but it's the interval changes a little bit with a set
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  pattern. So Kagon.
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  So for this it's a once you have the change of it's what we call
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  Bediluk, then it's a Mahlokas in the Gomara need the Samhdalid or
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  Mundalid. Yeah, Samhdalid between Rav and
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  Shmua. So I'm going to try and not get
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  too complicated. It's a little bit complicated.
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  Suffice to say to Mahakas, Raavan, Shmuel, if it needs to
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  be 3 or 4 times, in other words, a normally for every vested
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  kavua, until now we said it needs to be 3 times.
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  Nobody argues. But when you get a moving or a
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  changing interval or a changing day of the month, 'cause it can
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  have this dealer can apply to months as well.
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  The first month is 15th and then on the 15th of the month and the
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  next month it'll be the 16th, then the 17th, then the 18th.
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  That's also called the D Look, it's, it's changing.
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  It has a set pattern, but it's changing.
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  So and so there it needs 3 or 4. And when we're dealing with
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  intervals, that means four or five.
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  Let's just we'll understand it that way.
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  And halakhala maisa, the postscheme, it's in the
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  sholkhanara, the sholkhanara. And once the EIF, it'll sound
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  like Yipaskan's like rob next to EIF, it'll sound like Yipaskan's
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  like shmua. One place they'll say yeh
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  shlahakhmar kishdeem. We're going to see when we get
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  there. So la maisa, the Shah postscheme
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  tarkitara seems like the Allaha is behold by both.
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  It could be Mikar Idini holds like Shmuel that it needs four
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  or four or four times or 4 intervals, which means five
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  times if it's an interval, depending if it's Haflaga or
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  Kodesh. And Rav is more Mahma that it
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  only needs three times to turn it into a vested kavua.
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  But anyways, that's let's read it inside and we'll be Koshish
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  for both. So we have to be Mahfrish for
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  both and you'll see it matters because if you hold depending if
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  you have a vesa kahu or not, then for the next month,
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  question is do you have to worry about 1 date or numerous times?
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  OK, let's read inside again, hey?
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  Vera tashinit la so shoshim so that she sees it one day, one
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  month, whatever it is, and that starts the interval process.
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  That's the first time you see. Then the next time you see is on
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  day 30. So that's going to be the first
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  interval. The second time she sees, the
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  first interval, Ushuishi lamad aleph.
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  The third time she sees is on lamad Aleph.
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  That's the second interval. Or if you eat a lamad base and
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  then she sees it a fourth time which is makes it a full 3
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  intervals. So in other words it goes from
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  one month it's 30, then it goes 31 then it goes 32.
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  So cava vessela deluxe and now she has a vested kavua for
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  deluxe. So the next month she would have
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  to worry on the 30th to be mafrish on the 33rd only.
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  So our example was 303132, but if any pattern works, if it
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  would be 28303234, that's exact same Malacca.
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  If it would be whatever 15/20/20, 5:30, then on the next
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  month you'd worry about 35. And it doesn't matter if the
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  interval changes one day, 5-2 days, whatever, it makes no
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  difference. Once you have a set pattern, you
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  have a set pattern. As long as it's the same
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  pattern, then that's what creates.
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  That's what creates it. OK, now the post.
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  Kim also point out most of the rishonium and all the acronium,
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  the halaka of Haflaga Bedilug, Does it matter if it goes
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  ascending number or a descending number?
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  Does it make a difference if it's increasing or decreasing?
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  Makes no difference. Once it's a set pattern, that's
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  the set pattern. And right, it's not because
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  we're showing him, but that is the that's the halacha.
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  Whatever the pattern is what establishes it, that's what it
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  is. Sorry, here, let me just point
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  it out right now. When we say a person has to
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  worry a woman or a couple has to worry about the vesit kavua.
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  Let's say it's a vesit kavua for 25 days.
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  I'm just taking a short break from going out of the dealer.
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  I just, or maybe I'll save it for later.
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  Anyway, I already started a regular case, a vesit kavua 25
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  days, 25 days, 25 days, 25 days, 25 forever 25.
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  It's not changing after the 25th day passes and she doesn't see
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  she has a vesa kavua and then all of a sudden the next month.
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  So she's separates for a month for that ona on the 25th and
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  then she continues. Does she have to worry about the
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  ona benonit the 30th day? So the lacha is no, because you
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  only have to worry about that benonit if she when you don't
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  have a vesa kavua and you have a vesa kavua, you don't have to
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  worry about anything else, even the 30th.
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  And that's for ferush. For example, in the pizzrechuva,
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  I think it's an olive and it's also on Tara sebais.
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  But this is another question. Let's say she never has a she
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  doesn't have a vesa Kavala. She never has a vesa Kavala.
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  Most women know Vesa Kavala and but she knows she'll never see
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  it until after the 30th day. Let's say she knows because
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  several months went by, three months, whatever it is,
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  intervals went by, she know she'll never see it until day
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  33. Let's say it's between 33 and 35
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  is when she sees it, it'll never be before 33.
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  So then for that Ona Benoni the 30th day that she have to be
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  Mafresh. So that's a Mahlokas according
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  to the egress Moshe and Tara Sabais, she does not have, they
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  do not have to, according to the Minhas Yitzhak and Urban Sienna
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  Bashal, they do. So just that was just an
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  interesting thing that related to Onabinios one of them,
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  because it happens. OK, then that definitely
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  happens. OK, that's so uncommon.
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  Sorry. Let's go back to Vav and this is
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  the we're we're talking again back to Aflaga with Diluk.
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  Let's keep reading. Kasheim shakovat vesit de aflaga
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  miyangim shavim Misha inam shavim ka kovat de mea kodesh le
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  mea shavim. So just like you can have
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  everything we send out, we la vesa daflaga.
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  It's the interval days in between it's the same.
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  You have a vested kahua for three days in a row based on the
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  the same day of the month, three months in a row or the OR the
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  weeks based on the shahua or it can also change by intervals
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  every month. It can change one day, same
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  halacha and he'll just spell it out.
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  Quetzada rahta shalosh paramin the echad de shalvos. 3 times in
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  a row. It was on Sunday.
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  Oh, so on Thursday, OK, that's vested as Shuva.
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  Or another possible example. Oh, three months in a row on
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  Rush Kodesh, or three months in a row?
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  It was on the 5th of the month. So kavala vesit, once you have
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  three times of seeing right, you don't need 4 times because it's
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  not, it's not intervals, it's specific dates.
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  Once you have three dates, she has a vesa.
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  She established A vesat kavua for whatever the case was, if it
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  was the Shabbos or if it was the hamishi, whatever the example
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  was, then that's when she gets her vesa kavua Alpha Pisha Ehran
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  Mali, the Ehran Khasser. He just points out, it doesn't
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  matter if it's a full, if it's a full, the full month, we call it
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  a full month, whether it's a month of 29 days or a month of
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  30 days. It's goes by whatever the day of
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  the month is or whatever the day of the week is.
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  And we're we don't look at that at all.
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  And same too, it could be a bedilog as well.
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  So now we're going to see that as well in Zion.
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  I've pointed out a few things that we mentioned.
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  Zain, Keitzat, Kovat, Vimaya, Kodesh, Vidiluk.
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  Now how do we do this? Vidiluk, when it comes to the
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  days of the month, simple Kegon, Charata, Bittettva, the Nissan
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  Ted Zine, Biern, Yudzine, Bisivan.
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  So you take 3 months in a row and it goes from the Ted valve
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  the first month, the next month it's Ted Zine, the next month is
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  yudzine. So what do we say?
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  He writes over here Lu Kava vesit achatir EB urhet B Thomas
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  Shain Ria Rishona meets the rafit.
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  So he says here the three times is not enough.
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  You need 4 times Kayvon Shaina flogot Shalot since it's not the
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  same by D Look, you need an extra time to make it Kavua
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  because it's it's not the it's not exactly the same day.
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  So you can't really use the first one.
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  It doesn't have that same same power of Akazaka Omidhu IM
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  hayala vesit kodem sheikhila the aharka shinta verata bediluk
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  shalosh Amin cava vesit bediluk latisha Alfa rishona bedilu rata
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  OTA sedilga ami vesita kavuela. But if you had a vesit kavua and
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  you're working off of intervals, so then it does work and the
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  first one counts. And the first one counts if
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  you're working off of a vasit kavua.
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  Viyesh omrim shafa. What does that work?
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  Yeah, it works. Viyesh omrim shafa P.
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  That's a mahlotis if it works. Viyesh omrim shafa P.
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  Shalora TA ella bittettva binisa bittezine VRV yudzine.
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  Miss Yvan, however, this is the other opinion, this is Rav that
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  if it's only see it on three times, all right, if and for
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  intervals, it would mean 3 intervals, but here it's three
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  particular dates. That's enough Kava vesit.
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  And then you're going to worry for the next three months
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  because of the vesit until you undo it.
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  And so too forever. Viesh lahush bledivreyam
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  Ulahachmer basically Paskin's both ways Hochmer that you need.
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  What's it? You have to worry if it's three
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  or four times, either 3 or 4 intervals, which is four or five
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  times seen. So for the vidilog Ramachmar
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  both ways. So whether it's you have to be
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  Koshish, it's a vesit kabua and Koshish, it's not a vesit kabua.
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  OK, let's let's do another one. Ratash.
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  Again, all these cases are uncommon also, but best is
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  Kahlua's uncommon, especially Badilov.
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  OK, we're going to get let's do hait rata shalosh paramim
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  mishlocha Kardashian Badilov. So she sees three times, right?
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  Three months in a row, Badilov, the Khazeravat of the otam
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  Dilogim Adsvam. And then it goes back to those
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  same ones, IME Nagake in Shalosh Palmim hareza vestit kavua
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  Luddiluk Khalila. OK, what are we saying
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  basically? Well, I think he's we're going
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  to see it when we read inside. I kind of wrote it out.
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  This might be easier if you write it out.
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  Maybe I'll I'll send out a picture.
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  But basically the first three months in a row, when it goes
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  from, let's say Ted Valtadzai and Yudzai.
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  So then you have to worry about the next month that it's going
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  to be your het, right? You made a Vesa Kabul fine.
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  But now in that 4th month, it doesn't go back to your het.
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  Now it jumps back to Ted Vov. So now you're kind of it's kind
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  of uprooting your vesit, your, your pattern partially.
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  But in this case, then it continues for nine months in
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  total and it goes Tedvov, tedzine, Yudzine and back to
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  Tedvov, Tedzine, Yudzine and then again Tedvov, tedzine,
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  Yudzine. Now you have what it's called a
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  vesit videlug hajozen, something like that.
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  And where now you're going to end up where it keeps, it just
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  keeps on repeating itself in the cycle of every three months.
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  And then when you get to the 10th month.
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  Then you go back to Ted Bob again, because that's what's
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  what's been established. OK, Again, it is.
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  It's all, it all makes sense. If you map it out, what's it
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  going to take to be OK, to be OK?
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  OK, good. Good question.
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  OK, let's go on to figure it out.
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  Have to figure it out. Map it out and we'll see.
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  OK, OK. The old one second Kaitzan Rata
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  Tedsva Benisan, the Teds. We'll go over afterwards.
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  Kaitzan Rata Tedwa Benisan, the Ted sign VR.
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  We you'd sign the Sivan, the Khazra Khalila, the old Khazra.
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  That's just what we said. So then Kavala vested la diluk
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  Khalila the khosheshit, la ulam Ted Vav Lahodizer, the Ted Zayn
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  Lahodizer, the Yudzayn lahodizer.
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  So what does it take? Three months or nine months to
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  undo it? So I'll let you guys let me know
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  tomorrow. And then three months.
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  Yeah. So it's I don't know, I know
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  you. OK, good question.
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  Now also the point the post can point out, and you can also have
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  six months. You can have like this Ted Vav
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  Tedzine, Ted Vav Tedzine, Ted Vav Tedzine.
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  That would also be a another example, a vested a de la
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  gauzer. And the Shah points out that
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  everybody agrees, Robin Schwa, that you don't need that.
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  You don't need a fourth time because when you're doing this,
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  because, well, there's two ways to look at it.
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  But basically, well, it's, it's taking nine months or six
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  months. And when he points out is if
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  you, on the one hand, you can call it a vesit, the deal of the
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  hose, but it's also going to be a Vesit Hakodesh.
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  Because when you map it out and you, you lay it out in front of
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  you, three times in a row it's going to be Ted Valve.
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  And three times in a row it's going to be Ted Zine.
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  So since Vasset Hakodesh only needs 3 * a kulialma, he says
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  also here too, you're only going to need Vasset Hakodesh.
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  This type of an interval, everyone agrees you only need
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  three times. OK, I think we'll stop.
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  We'll stop.