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#2538 - Joe DeRosa · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Past check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Regan Experience Train My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan podcast by Night all day.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: I went through a whole like a series of different
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  Speaker 1: coffee machines that I tried out. I tried out one
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  Speaker 1: of them that was like this little thing that's like
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  Speaker 1: a tea dipper, almost like for an individual cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: You put the grounds in this little thing. It's a
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  Speaker 1: little tiny press, and you boil the water, put it
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  Speaker 1: in the coffee cup, and then you're sitting in there
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  Speaker 1: like it's tea, and then you press it. Okay, it
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  Speaker 1: makes like a French press.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So then I went to an aerowpress. I like that
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  Speaker 1: one a lot.
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  Speaker 2: What's an arrow press?
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  Speaker 1: I use that every day, So it would an arrow press.
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  Speaker 1: I boil the water, grind the beans, and then I
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  Speaker 1: pour it into this glass tube. And the glass tube
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  Speaker 1: is a filter at the bottom of it, like in
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  Speaker 1: a like a mesh like a steel or an aluminiums
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  Speaker 1: some kind of metal mesh. And then that's what it
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  Speaker 1: looks like. And so you pressed down and it makes
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  Speaker 1: a cup of coffee real quick, and it's one cup.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's what I like, because I was making coffee,
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  Speaker 1: like I was doing French press for a while. I
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  Speaker 1: had a coffee machine. But the issue is that you're
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  Speaker 1: not supposed to really be drinking out a hot plastic.
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  Speaker 1: All that shit's plastic. There's plastic, the water goes into plastic.
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  Speaker 1: There's plastic here and plastic there. I'm trying to eliminate
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  Speaker 1: as much plastic in my life as possibly as possibly can.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you too, I a couple times in my
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  Speaker 3: adult life splurged on.
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  Speaker 2: You know, some fucking when.
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  Speaker 1: Them italian espress on the seas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it grinds the beans. Every time you're going to wet.
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  Speaker 2: Those fucking things go sideways on you.
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  Speaker 3: In a year and then you're like, I gotta get
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  Speaker 3: it fixed, and they're like, yeah, there's a shop.
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  Speaker 2: It's ninety minutes north of you. You drive the machine
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  Speaker 2: up there and you're just like, fuck this shit, man.
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  Speaker 2: So I went back.
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  Speaker 3: I just I have an espresso and you put the
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  Speaker 3: fucking pot in and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a company that makes one I should shout
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  Speaker 1: them out that makes one that's all steel. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's called Simply Good Coffee. I follow them on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't used their machine, but that's all steel.
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  Speaker 1: It's an all steel coffee machine, which is what you want.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, I've got it down to the arrow press.
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  Speaker 1: The AeroPress to me, very simple, the minimal amount of
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  Speaker 1: like parts. It's just a tube, the grind, the grinds,
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  Speaker 1: the coffee taste pure. It's simple. I make one cup
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  Speaker 1: of coffee a day.
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  Speaker 3: Here here, here is what I missed, because I will
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  Speaker 3: drink a lot of coffee if I'm able to. Here's
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  Speaker 3: what I miss about, like a traditional mister coffee pot
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  Speaker 3: of coffee. Okay, you said it. It starts doing it
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  Speaker 3: in the morning. You wake up, it's already going, you know, right,
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  Speaker 3: I get two cups hot in the morning, I put
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  Speaker 3: it in the fridge, and in the afternoon when I
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  Speaker 3: start feeling sluggish.
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  Speaker 2: I got two cold cups.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just a nice So you just want volume.
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  Speaker 1: I love volume. Then make a French press. It'll taste
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  Speaker 1: better this right, But.
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  Speaker 2: Then you gotta make it every time. You gotta do
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  Speaker 2: one cuffy.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have a job, lazy motherfucker. You don't even
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  Speaker 1: have a job. You literally talk shit for a living,
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, ooh, making coffee so hard. Someone had
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  Speaker 1: a skin of fucking buffalo just to stay warm in
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  Speaker 1: the winter. Yeah, just to stay alive. They had to
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  Speaker 1: shred the skin off of it with a stone knife,
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  Speaker 1: and they had to pull it and stretch it and
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  Speaker 1: tan it and put animal brains on it to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that it's softened up and salted down.
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  Speaker 3: And guess what if you would have said to that guy, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we got this thing called mister buffalo, It'll just do
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  Speaker 3: it real.
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  Speaker 2: Fast, he would have been like, Okay, this sucks.
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  Speaker 1: Even if Beple fucking sitting at his deep beat, go
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  Speaker 1: oh bro, mister Buffalo's this ship. Yeah you get fat
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  Speaker 1: and lazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so true, But yeah, it's I just I like
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  Speaker 3: to make more than one cup at one.
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  Speaker 2: So that thing that French.
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  Speaker 1: Press is so easy. You talk about making it hard.
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  Speaker 1: This right here, this is an all metal French press,
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  Speaker 1: no plastic parts at all. It's the fucking easiest thing
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  Speaker 1: in the world, dude.
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  Speaker 3: So this can make a full pot though, Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 3: well then that's yeah, I would do this.
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  Speaker 1: This is and this is not expensive. It was just
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  Speaker 1: a steel French press. This is the best tasting coffee
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  Speaker 1: you're ever going to get because it's got all the
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  Speaker 1: oils from the beans. Man, you get like the like
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  Speaker 1: the real coffee dorks. You know the filter. There's something
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  Speaker 1: happens in the filter. So in the filter, yes, you
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  Speaker 1: remove the grinds, yes, but also you move remove some
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  Speaker 1: of the flavor.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, just a touch. Yeah, it's funny. Man. When I
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  Speaker 2: back when I was.
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  Speaker 3: When I when I was still involved with the with
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  Speaker 3: the sandwich shop. One of the the things I learned
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  Speaker 3: that I never knew because you had to take a
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  Speaker 3: test to get a food handler's license all this shit
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  Speaker 3: was I didn't know that food started breaking down the
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  Speaker 3: moment you cut it. I didn't know that because I
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  Speaker 3: was getting into at the time meal prep and shit
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  Speaker 3: like if I cut, if I cut up, if I
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  Speaker 3: chopped the tomatoes, now, if I chop the carrots, now,
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  Speaker 3: the cucumbers, now, it'll be way easier.
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  Speaker 2: Just throw a salad together every.
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  Speaker 3: Day and it'll make me eat the good thing because
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  Speaker 3: I'll be it'll be fast. And then I learned, No,
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  Speaker 3: as soon as you cut something, it starts to break down.
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  Speaker 1: Is this just vegetables.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's mainly vegetables. I don't think raw meat
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  Speaker 3: is fine or whatever, but the vegetables.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense because the inside's exposed to the air.
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  Speaker 3: But it's got to be the same principle with coffee beans.
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  Speaker 3: I would think, right, like, once they're around.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Yeah. I think people like to
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  Speaker 1: grind them right before they I always grind them right
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  Speaker 1: before I make the coffee, which is easy, right, I
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  Speaker 1: will grind. Yeah, it's a one step, one button. I
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  Speaker 1: press it, take it takes thirteen seconds. I count it
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  Speaker 1: goes Nah, thirteen seconds is the exact amount of beans
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  Speaker 1: that I want for one strong a strong cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: One strong cup of coffee with that arrow press thing,
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  Speaker 1: But it's the same thing with a French press. You
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  Speaker 1: take it. You just get a determined amount, and you
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  Speaker 1: can dial the knob, the knob on the grinder. It's
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  Speaker 1: so easy. Grinders are so simple. So listen. All you
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  Speaker 1: do is you take that ground coffee after it comes
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  Speaker 1: into the little cup, you pour it into the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the fucking French press, and then you pour the
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  Speaker 1: hot water in. Done. Yeah, that's it. And then you
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  Speaker 1: wait one minute and then you push this fucking plunger
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  Speaker 1: down and you drink the best coffee in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't have any plastic and it doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: any bullshit, and there's no moving parts, there's nothing. It's
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  Speaker 1: just that thing. And if the grinder breaks, you get
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  Speaker 1: another fucking grinder. Okay, grinders don't break. I've never had
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  Speaker 1: a grinder break.
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  Speaker 2: But you gotta boil the water first. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you okay? Are you gonna be okay?
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  Speaker 1: You gotta turn the knob on the stove. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be okay? What the fuck is wrong with this guy?
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  Speaker 2: If I hit a button?
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  Speaker 1: This is he's so ridiculous. He's like, whoa, I can't
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  Speaker 1: be the water. I gotta boil it.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I get out of bed.
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  Speaker 1: Get an automatic kettle. You get a kettle. There's literally
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  Speaker 1: I have one that has a setting that says French
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  Speaker 1: press on it. It's a steel kettle and it works
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  Speaker 1: all electronically, so it's temper regulated temperature and it beeps
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  Speaker 1: when it's done, press two hundred degrees and then I
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  Speaker 1: press start and it goes okay. And when that happens,
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  Speaker 1: I pour the water onto the beans.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now we're talking.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're talking electric kettle. I'm thinking I got to
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  Speaker 3: put a fucking pot on the stove.
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  Speaker 2: That's even easier. Lazy bitch shakes too long, dude, I
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  Speaker 2: get out lazy. It's not lazy, You're so lazy.
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  Speaker 1: I swear.
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  Speaker 3: I wake up with the dread of humanity in my
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  Speaker 3: fucking brain. I'm just like, I need a cup of
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  Speaker 3: coffee immediately to just start the day and just clear
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  Speaker 3: the head. And the longer that takes, the longer I
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  Speaker 3: got to sit in that wake up anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: I understand.
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  Speaker 3: So, but now we're talking. You know what I'm gonna get.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get a boiling pot that you can set.
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  Speaker 2: A timer on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're easy. They're electronic kettles. You sell them online
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  Speaker 1: and they have like settings for tea, settings for this,
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  Speaker 1: settings for hot coco. You know, it's like five or
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  Speaker 1: six different settings or something like that, depending on the model.
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  Speaker 1: They're fucking so easy, dude. It's so my little yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And it's the best coffee. It tastes, and I know
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  Speaker 1: i't have to think. I got a hold one of
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  Speaker 1: these really nice machines, and it can make an espresso,
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  Speaker 1: can make a coffee, you can make a latte. It's
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  Speaker 1: got a little fucking foam thing that I've never used once, never, never,
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  Speaker 1: even thought about using it, never even thought about steaming
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  Speaker 1: milk in my fucking house. But I always was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just it's all plastic. Every time I filled up
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  Speaker 1: the water thing, I'm like, this is all plastic. Everything's plastic.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what I saw though? That made me
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  Speaker 3: want to get the thing again with the cream steamer,
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  Speaker 3: because I don't put cream in, so I don't have.
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  Speaker 2: Any use for it.
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  Speaker 3: Black coffee, right, black coffee man always yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Tony shits on it.
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  Speaker 1: Of course he does. Tony needs a fucking umbrella in
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  Speaker 1: his coffee, an umbrella to bineapple a cookie pinky out.
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  Speaker 1: When he chased this coffee, I.
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  Speaker 2: Got to drink it black. He goes, you fucking hate condiments.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what do you I like the taste
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  Speaker 1: of coffee?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I do. I genuinely, genuinely like black coffee.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I saw though that made me want
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  Speaker 3: to get the The foam steamer was not for foam.
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  Speaker 2: You know Auton Brown? Yeah, I love Auton Brown.
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  Speaker 3: He did a thing, he did a video where he
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  Speaker 3: made this thing with eggs and he used the foam
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  Speaker 3: steamer to like foam the eggs up and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this looks I want to get it just for that,
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  Speaker 3: just to do the thing with the eggs.
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  Speaker 1: But then you got so you're lazy when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to making coffee, but you go way out of the
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  Speaker 1: way for some foamy eggs.
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  Speaker 2: I'll cook. I like to cook. I'll cook.
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  Speaker 1: There it is right here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh look at that.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, wow, he said, this is like apparently incredible.
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  Speaker 2: It's like two eggs, a little cheese.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, And so you you whisk it up like
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  Speaker 1: that and then you add the foam and the foam cooks.
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  Speaker 1: It is that always cooking it with the foam.
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  Speaker 2: He cooks the eggs with the foama.
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  Speaker 1: So what is in the foamer? Is it just hot water?
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  Speaker 1: That's it? Okay, so this hot water from the steam
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  Speaker 1: is cooking his eggs. Got the egg cooking look pretty
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  Speaker 1: fucking dope. Look at that guy he's eating. Or you
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  Speaker 1: just eat eggs. Funk's wrong with you? Just crack some
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  Speaker 1: fucking eggs, fry some eggs. What's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think that looks good?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't look as good as sunny side up eggs.
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  Speaker 1: Was looking at it. I was like, fuck those foamy eggs.
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  Speaker 1: I want to have real egg Could.
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  Speaker 2: You imagine dunking toast in the those foamy eggs?
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  Speaker 1: Come on? No, because I don't even need toast.
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  Speaker 2: Come on toast once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: Occasionally, Yeah, you know what I get it with, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: steak tartar. I like those little toast points. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you ever get some steak tartar toast points at Jay Carver?
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  Speaker 1: You ever go to Jay Carver?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, of course? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's your favorite spot uh in Austin to get a meal?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? It's impossible to say. There's so many good spots.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many good spots. Austin is crazy with the
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  Speaker 1: amount of great restaurants, like really high end restaurants. I've
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  Speaker 1: eaten steak at every fucking restaurant in town, and I
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  Speaker 1: gotta think the best one is Jeffries.
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  Speaker 2: Jeffries Is I still haven't gone. I gotta go in Affection.
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  Speaker 1: It's they're all great. Like, I've never had a bad
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  Speaker 1: steak at Jay Carver's. I've never had a bad steak
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  Speaker 1: at Eddiev's. They're all great, but there's something about whatever
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  Speaker 1: Jefferies is doing. I think they got rated, like the
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  Speaker 1: number two steakhouse in the country. Something crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta go to Jefferies. I've been dragging my ass.
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  Speaker 3: I love Jay Carver.
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  Speaker 1: You amazing. Their steak is different. Jeffrey steak like Jay
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  Speaker 1: Carver steak is h He's he's using one of those
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  Speaker 1: Argentine grills, so it's all live fire over what delicious flavor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but man, there's like another another level like
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  Speaker 1: whatever Jeffrey's doing.
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  Speaker 2: Like fuck I go.
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  Speaker 3: I love Gary the bartender at Eddie Vee's and he
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  Speaker 3: makes killer martini's.
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  Speaker 2: I love to go in and get a martini.
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  Speaker 3: Straight bar shrimp cocktail yeah, and uh and some steak.
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  Speaker 3: But I love I gotta tell you it's the same
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  Speaker 3: owners as Jay Carver. I actually think I like the
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  Speaker 3: steak at red Ash a little bit better than Jay Carver.
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  Speaker 3: There's just something different about I don't I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what the difference in the prep is, but just the
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  Speaker 3: steak and then also having the option of all the Italian.
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  Speaker 2: Foods that you can get with the steak. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Red Ash is phenomenal too. They have another place called
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  Speaker 1: the Kimberly. That's the place is phenomenal to is very
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  Speaker 1: good because there's too many good restaurants. You have an
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  Speaker 1: abundance of choices here.
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  Speaker 3: It took it took a minute because when I first
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  Speaker 3: moved back, because I was here in two thousand for
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  Speaker 3: a year. When I first moved back, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was in New York for so long, I forgot like
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  Speaker 3: Austin is more of a destination city.
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  Speaker 2: You have to kind of find the places.
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  Speaker 3: And Tommy Pope was like, dude, give me your phone,
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  Speaker 3: and he went into my Google Maps and he bookmarked
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  Speaker 3: ten spots. I was like, get this here, get this there,
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  Speaker 3: get this here, get in every spot. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: now now we're rocking and rolling.
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  Speaker 2: It was great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine back in the day before the Internet, you
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  Speaker 1: couldn't just google, like what's the best steakhouse in Austin.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't. I mean, that's kind of an amazing thing.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're got to be told about a restaurant, right
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what's I do that in cities when I'm
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  Speaker 3: on the road, I'll look up what's the best Italian
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  Speaker 3: sandwich in this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's like, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Most popular touristy place exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just a place that paid for publicity, so
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  Speaker 3: they're getting on these lists and it's not accurate, but
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  Speaker 3: when you find it, it's great. The Internet is a
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  Speaker 3: great tool to help find these places. Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: it used to just be word of mouth, have to
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  Speaker 3: say what's good, and now you're depending on some guy's opinion,
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  Speaker 3: which is not always the best.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, but there's some certain places. It's like the
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  Speaker 1: people are your own little Cisco and Ebert for movies,
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  Speaker 1: but for restaurants, like you've got to find a fat
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  Speaker 1: guy who loves food. That guy's going to tell you
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  Speaker 1: where the best spots are.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know who knows everything.
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  Speaker 1: There's like East Coast places though that you're just never
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  Speaker 1: going to get anywhere else other than the East Coast.
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  Speaker 1: There's certain like kind of small Italian restaurants in particular,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's this place I used to go to when
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  Speaker 1: I lived in New Rochelle, frank and John's. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was Frankie and Johnny's. I think that's what it's
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  Speaker 1: called in New Rochelle, this Italian place. It was so
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  Speaker 1: fucking insane. It was so insane.
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  Speaker 2: They made it so good.
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  Speaker 3: A movie about that, well, there was a movie called
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  Speaker 3: Frankie and Johnny with al Pacino, and I think it's
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  Speaker 3: about that restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: I think he works at that restaurant. Really yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think yeah, it's got it a lot of restaurants, right.
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  Speaker 1: But it's I'm sure it was in New Rochelle because
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  Speaker 1: that's where I lived. I lived in New Rochelle. If
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a Newer Shell, it was in the surrounding areas,
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  Speaker 1: like maybe Mount Vernon or something like that. But oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, dude, it was so good. When I got
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  Speaker 1: my first development deal, my manager thought that I had
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: a gambling problem, but it was really just because I
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: was eating steak and lobster every night.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Go where's all your money going.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: It's like, you're spending so much money, Do you have
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: a gambling problem? And I was like, no, I'm eating
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: steak and lobster every night. I've been pouring my whole life.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking eating like a king.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: This ship runs out, I don't even know if it's
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: gonna last, but I'm riding this bitch right into the rock.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: My favorite thing about when I finally got to a
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: point of some financial stability with this crazy career that
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: you go through for a long time without knowing what's next.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: But my favorite thing was when I could go I
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: can eat whatever I want now, Like that was that
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: was a huge moment to me.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest. Brian Collen said that to me,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: once he goes, the mostantly goes. Other than obviously taking
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: care of your family and mortgage and all that stuff
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: after like life necessity, the big change. The big change
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: is being able to go to a restaurant and order
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: whatever you want and not think about it, not worry
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: about the bill. Yeah, and if you can do that,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: like you have real freedom. Like that's like the big
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: the first big leap, and then everything else to that
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: is like these little things. It's great, Oh look I
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: live in a nice apartment. Oh look I have a
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: nice car. Oh look I got the shoes that I wanted.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Oh look, that's all fine.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: But the weight that's lifted off of you when you
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about your bills, that's number one. Yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: that's the big one. That's the giant leap. That's the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: between the two buildings. Like, I don't know if this
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: is going to work out to we Bo, Yeah, okay,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be Okay, now it's just about how hard
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: do I work and what kind of success do I have?
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: But I can't feed myself now with no fears.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Dude, I actually might have said this to you the
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: last time I was here.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, but it's the most profound moment for
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: me in practicing gratitude for my life.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I swear to God it's the supermarket.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: When I check out at the supermarket, I try to
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: remind myself you just pulled whatever you wanted off the
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: shelf to fill your cart, and you didn't have to
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: worry about can I pay for this or not checking
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: out and you're paying for your groceries and it costs
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: what it called. I was like, people, there are people
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: that don't have this, man, remember this.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: This is a ton of people. Here's the question, though,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think that there's value in not having that
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: when you're young and then developing that sort of drive
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and ambition and desire to earn money and get something
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: because you know what it's like to be poor, yes?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Or do you think the world would be a far
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: better place if, instead of people having to concentrate on
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: necessities like food and shelter, society reaches a point where
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that is a given and no one ever has to
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: worry about food and shelter, and now it's all about
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: what do you want to pursue and how much energy
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: you put into it, or do you think that you
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: have to have that struggle?
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I think, Look, I don't think that that struggle and
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: the transition out of that struggle is ever bad for anybody.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's a It builds
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: your spirit and it builds your who you are. That said,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: the other version of it, I don't know, because it's
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: just not a thing that we have here.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: It's not a thing that people have ever experienced here,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and I don't even know if they really experience it
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: anywhere else. I mean, I think there's like forms of socialism,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: but they all evolve oppression. There's they all involve government overreach.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: They all any any real socialist system always involves like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: serious restrictions on what you can and can't do.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I will tell you this, and this might be a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: byproduct of the culture we live in because we don't
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: have it. I will say there is a noticeable difference
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: to me between people I am friendly with that grew
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: up with money and people that I know that grew
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: up that didn't have it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Right, But is that because of our society?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: That's my question.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: This is the question that I have, Like is it
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: necessary that that has to be your struggle in order
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to develop the kind of discipline that you need to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: be successful in life or is it just our society
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: is fucked up and that desperation that we're putting into people,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you're just making the motivation different, Like you're an forcing
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the idea of greed because people become selfish because no
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: one was looking out for them and they have a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: chip on their shoulder all that shit, Where you don't
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: necessarily have to have that to have interest in pursuing
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: something to the best of your abilities.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's it's a tough thing to define
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: it really is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I think there's bonuses to both. But I also think
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: too in the social society thing, Hey, isn't it great
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: if you can go, hey, man, I'm a waiter and
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I'm able to live a normal life and buy a
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: house and you know whatever.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not socialist. That's just a we were
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: fucked in terms of like the amount people earned versus
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: what you can buy, right, versus like the nineteen fifties.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: The nineteen fifties, you know, the way a person can
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: make a living and feed an entire family off a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: one paycheck.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It was way easier.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot easier. Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Well it always makes me laugh because one of my
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: fas TV shows of all time is All in the Family, right,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: And the whole thing with All in the Family was
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: supposed to be that they were kind of struggling, like
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Archie was a cab driver and they didn't have a
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: lot of money.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: You look at that fucking house they lived it like
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: that house would be ten point three million powers.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Now they're living pretty fucking good.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: It's a nice house, right, it's all clean and nice inside.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: It's got two flourish.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The guy's a cab driver.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So it's a tough u it's a tough thing.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: But as far as the society we live in personally,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's better to have known what nothing is
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: and then go to appreciating what you do have.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because I've never I've never grown up
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: any other way, but I wonder if you have a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: con if you have conscientious parents and you're a young kid,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and you know, your dad just sits you down and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: tells you, hey, buddy, you can be whatever you want,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to fucking put in the work
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: like this, there's only one way out of this thing,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and nobody. Nobody rides for free. And if you do
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: ride for free, you're going to be depressed. Somebody gives
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you everything that you have. Those are the people that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: are the most aimless. The rich kids that I've met
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that have no like they've had money their entire life,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Like their parents just give them a trust fund so
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: they don't have to work and they're worth like a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: ton of money. They're all sad, right, They're all sad.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Then then they have they're all super insecure. They they
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: all act real weird.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I know one or two people that had trust funds
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: grew up like that, but still work their asses off
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: because again, you're saying, it's what the parents said, what
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I think a big part of that, right is what
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the parents are stelling you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: There's all this talk now of NEPO babies and all
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: that stuff. I was good friends years ago with Eating
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Eating Brolin. She's Josh Brolin's daughter and she was very
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: close with their dad.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I remember she was in my house one day in
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: LA and she's like, I'm not supposed to tell anybody
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: my dad's going to be Theanos in the Marvel movies.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And I was like, that's fucking crazy, right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Like, but she, dude, she worked for every fucking thing
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: she I became friends with her because she was a
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: hostess at the stand in New York, Like, she always
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: had regular jobs. She plays in a band now, she
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: does some acting, but she is not in a situation
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: where her dad put her wherever. And I think it's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: because they're very close, but I think it was because
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: she was just raising away where he's like, you're gonna
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: earn your shit and you know, and you're going to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: do your thing, and and she's an amazing person, Like
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: there was none of that, none of that. My dad's
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: famous and I'm comfortable arrogance.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a cool guy. He's a very normal guy.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I never met him.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: He's a very nice guy. Yeah, very very smart and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: very normal, like you can hang out with talking jokes around.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: He's like he's very present. Yeah, And there's there's a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: lot of people like that that you think of you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you think of actors as all being these fucking aloof
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: weirdos who live in this bizarre liberal like progressive leftist bubble,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and a lot of them are. There's there's a giant
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: number that are. But man, there's a ton of like
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: really solid cool people that are actors, Like Billy Bob Thornton,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: cool as fuck.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: He seems awesome, so cool.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: He actually got me in the short shirt shoutout to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. I said, nice Sharman, and so he hooked
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I'd love to meet him. I'd love to meet him.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: He's great. There's a lot of those guys that are
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: really great. Woody Howson's fucking great. I was just gonna
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: say McConaughey is great.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I became friendly with Woody and his wife through Tony.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: He's so nice.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: He's the fucking bat. They're both amazing.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he's he's so so normal cool man. Yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: like so so cool and present as zero ego. He's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: just always chill and hanging out, always like super friendly
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and nice to everybody. What he's so nice.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: He he he said a thing to me with the
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: first time I ever hung out with him. He came
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: to kill Tony and and and we were drinking and
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: after the show and we had a great time. And
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: at the end of the night he just goes and
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Tony had plugged my special at the beginning of the
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: show or whatever. And at the end of the night,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: and I mean, we'd had a few, we were in mitzies,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: we were all kind of just getting into that swaying around,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And I was like, it's great to meet.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: You, man, and he goes, he goes, yeah, man, it's
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: fun tonight. And he goes, I'm gonna watch your special.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: And I go, thanks, man, and he goes, I never
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: promised you a rose Guard. And I was like, yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that's the name. And he's like, I'm gonna win. I'm like, this.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Fucking guy remembered the name of my special from a
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: plug five hours ago.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And I was like, that's fucking awesome, man. What a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: fucking dude. Yeah, what an awesome dude.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They exist, man, you know there's a lot of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: them out there. You'd be shocked. Matt Damon and Ben
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Affleck very cool guys, like talk to them on and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: off air. Talked to Matt before actually randomly ran into
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Matt Damon a few years back in Italy at a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: restaurant where he was seated under a picture of him.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So I had already met him before at the UFC,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and then we were in Italy. I was with my
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: family and he was with his family, and he sat down.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: We were already sitting down, and we were right across.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I go oh, look at that picture of Matt Damon.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And then literally Matt Damon walks in and sits right
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: under the picture of Matt Damon, like, go hey, Matt,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, what are you doing here? Gave
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: me a big hug, and I was like, but this
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is so meta, so strange that to like look at
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a photo of a guy on the wall and go oh,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I know him. That's Matt Damon. And then he comes
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: in and sits right there right after you say it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. The odds, that's so funny.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: What are the odds?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Do you see Auto Focus? The Bob Crane movie?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, what a crazy movie.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I love that movie.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: That movie's crazy. Do you think the guy killed.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Him his Yes, he do.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I it seems like it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I do, I think so. But that's when they show
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: how he would get laid on the road crazy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He would wait for the reruns of Hogan's Heros to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: be on TV, and they'd sit in front of the television.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: He knew when they were on. And there's that scene.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: There's that scene where he tells the bar turn and
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: he goes, could you put on channel twenty two whatever.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: She puts it on and he's sitting under it, and
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: then the hot chick comes up and she goes, oh,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: my God, is that you?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, how embarrassing.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: I think it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Well, back then, you got to think Hogan's Heros, first
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of all, how much has society changed? And how much
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: more sensitive have people gotten? When you think that Hogans
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Heiros was a show about a Nazi concentration camp. And
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it was a comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a comedy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It was a comedy about prisoners of war that were
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: captured by the Nazis.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: And they made like they had like lovable Nazis, bumbling buddies.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Nobody died. The show was on for like five years.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Nobody died. No, how many seasons did hogan Zerros go in?
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Sixty eight episodes, six seasons, God damn sixty episodes, six seasons,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: and no one died.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: They didn't kill anybody.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: How many people died on hogan Zeros run that through
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: our AI sponsor perplexity.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: How many people died during World War Two in a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Nazi prison?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Not a one? Not a one. Nobody got tortured.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: In six years and one hundred and forty eight episodes es.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so insane. Do you think they get into
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit of this in the movie but they
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: play it down, But do you think there was a
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: lot of pushback.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think there was like the that they were like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: what are you fucking crazy? We can't make this show.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: This is nuts?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Or was it just as in the movie? Was their pushback?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: There's a little bit where he's like, it's kind of crazy.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Almost nobody dies on screen or as a plot event
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in Hogan's Heroes. It was a broad comedy and the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: regular heroes Hogan Clink Heroes Clink, Colonel Clink Schultz, the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: fucking Nazi guard. He's a hero and the prisoners survived
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the series. The notable fictional death of Major Wolfgang Hushdebtter,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: who is reportedly killed during an Allied bombing raid and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the commandant dies at dawn. The titles misleading Colonel Clink
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: is not killed, so the practical answer is one named
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: reoccurring character with occasional unnamed wartime casualties implied rather than shown. Yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: nobody died, obviously, that's Clink was like, remember, I see nothing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: He said nothing. He was always like, I gotta get
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: out of here. I see nothing, Like they're all plotting
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: fucking devious things to try to get back at the guards,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and he was like, I see nothing.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: It's like having a show where the Klan that's people,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and then the clan has kind of fun.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: The black guys are like breakdancing the clans having a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: good time with them.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The closest I've ever seen to it is Tarantino
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in Django when he makes the clan scene funny when
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: they're all kind of dumb. Do you remember that scene?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: God, I don't remember that scene.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, there's a scene with the Klan and they're I
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: think Jonah Hill has a cameo on it, and they're
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: all kind of dumb, and it's like funny dialogue with
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the Klan. You're like, I don't know how he just
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: pulled this off, but he did it with the bag.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: So they're trying to talk about the like my wife
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: made mine yo.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Well my point was that if you go back to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that year, like what year was Hogan Zerro's was the seventies,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: sixty five to seventy sixty five to seventy one? Okay,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: being on television was a very new thing. Oh yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: very new thing. A sitcom star was a very new thing.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: It was only at the most, what two decades old?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: How old is the honey Mooners? Well here was that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Honeymooners are the early fifties, I believe, right, I think.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: And it was a spin off of the Glease in
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Variety Hour whatever the fuck that was called.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: It's a sketch. They did fifty five six.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's only on TV for a year?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: What? Yeah?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: What year to start?
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: He says. It originally aired from fifty five to fifty six.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's the thing.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: The Honeymooners. There's only one season.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So I have both Honeymooners box sets because I love
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Episodes.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Thirty nine episodes in one season, that's a lot.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: The main box set is called the Classic thirty nine
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: because that's all the episodes that weren't sketches on the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: show or anything like that. He did thirty nine episodes
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: and he was like, we did it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: It's done.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: It's like nobody does that now, right, you know, Seinfeld
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: did it, and Ricky Gervais does it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: He does three seasons and he goes, that's it. They
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: did thirty.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Nine and it was a massive success and they were
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: like you have to do more of these and he's.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Like, nope, we did it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: We're good.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: We have nothing left to say.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Really yeah, And then they did reunion shows and shit,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: but like, that was it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: That's wilds.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: He went on to do all kinds of other shit though.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He went. He was in The Hustler in sixty two.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: He played a Minnesota fast Yeah, you know he was.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: He was like the only guy that's ever been in
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a movie about a pool player that was a real
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: pool player. Like he could fucking play. You watch him
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: play in the movie, Like, oh, okay, that's a real
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: pool player.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Like the way he strokes the ball, he strokes the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: ball like a pro. Got he could run. I think
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: he ran like seventy five balls in straight pool. It
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: might be one hundred but like the hundred balls is
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like the number if you could run one hundred balls
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: in straight pool. People like that guy's legit. He's he
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: can run a hundred balls. Yeah, you know, and he
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: could do that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Gleason was an incredible touch.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: It's kind of interesting about the show that the sketches
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: were over thirty five minutes or more and the writers
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: felt restricted by the half hour format. Wow, So that
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: partially had something. Also, he had a contract issue too.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So they were they felt restricted, but because they didn't
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: have enough, they had.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: One more time to they said it was too slapsticky
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: and fast paced. According to TV.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Guide, huh, look at this.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: He had seven million dollars left in his contract in
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty six, which is crazy money. The excellence of
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: the material could not be maintained. A had too much
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: fondness for the show to cheapen it. Wow, I mean
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: that is ball or shit back then, Like that is
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: not something people were doing back there.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Or he's he just got lazy because he had so
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: much money. He's like, yeah, he had.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: CBS was going to give him a three year contract
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: for what would been one hundred and thirty two million
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: dollars today. He was going to get close to like
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: a million dollars an episode.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, it was Christy a million in episode back then.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: It was close today no no, no, no, no, like
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: what today?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Oh I forget where it was on here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But even that's like kind of unheard of.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: When Seinfeld when it was announced they were we're all
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: going to get a million an episode. I remember that
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: was like groundbreaking. It was like this has never been
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: done before and whatever. This guy was offered the equivalent
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: of that back in fifty six and said, nah, I'm good.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Well, he probably already had so much money and he
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: was dalk all the time. Yeah, that guy drank all
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, he was so fun.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Did you ever watch his final interview? Yes, yes, yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: he's in the track suit, just changed smoking.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't give a fuck. Yeah, track suit trains.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: He was making eight hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: now the equivalent.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: But he had to pay for production costs.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: It says, oh that's different, yeah, okay. Art Connie Carney
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: received three thousand, five hundred dollars a week, which is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: forty two thousand dollars a week now. Audrey Meadows two
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week. Wow, women got fucked over back then.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: No, but Jackie Lison Enterprises was running the show, So.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he fucked her over, is what I'm saying.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Art Carny got fun and almost twice as much as
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: our God damn she was his wife.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Person got what yea reportedly only only cast member to
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: receive residuals when the broadcast.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, because they had to change that ship later. Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: they you know, that's where those strikes and the writers'
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: union and the sag all that stuff. But he plays
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a part because you get I got residuals for news radio,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and they're not what you think they are. Like people
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: think it's it's it's gonna like change your life, you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: never have to work again. That's only for the people
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like Jerry Seinfeld that own the show, the regular people
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that get residuals. It's nice, it's a good thing, but
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it's it makes sense. They're showing the fucking show over
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and over and over again. It's still your work. You know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it does make sense. You're reselling it, so it's not
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the original deal that you had to put it on
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: NBC for one out and now it's like a thing
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: where you're gonna sell it again and so all the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: actors get paid again. It makes sense, dude.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I've I've told you this before. I'm going to tell
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: you again, so it's documented. And I know you're not
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that interested, but you you need to fucking keep acting. Dude.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: You're fucking great on that show. That is not easy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I in my opinion, multi cam sitcom, despite it being
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the easiest job in show business as far as payment
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: time versus reward, it is the hardest type of acting
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: because it is an acting where you have to land
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: jokes and gags and you have to make it convincing.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: That is very, very, very hard to do. You are
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: so fucking good on that show. And I watched news
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: radio all the time still. I told you last time
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I was here, it got me. One of the things
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: that got me through COVID was doing news radio front
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: to back.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: You need that. You need to keep that.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It's very nice of you, thank you very much. But
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I think your idea of what's very hard to do
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and my idea what's very hard to do are two
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: totally different things. Well, because acting on a sitcom is
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: easy as fuck. Okay, So you know what you know
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: this is Joe DeRosa in the Great Room of the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: mother Ship. You know what, how many times you have
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to say that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I call that green room.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: You're all fucking after, you walk funny, you look diseased.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: It's just not stuffing. It's fucking easy. If you're a comic,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it's easy. If you're used to doing stand up in
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: front of a live audience, that's a lot harder. And
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: then the acting they look they give you, especially if
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you're working with great people. You know, I was doing
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: scenes with Dave Foley and mare Tyranny and all those
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: They were amazing. The cast was incredible, Kathy, excuse me,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Vicky Lewis, Andy Dick, Candy Alexander. But I will say
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the root they were incredible.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I will say this to you though. The fact that
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: what you just said it's easy, is why I think
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: you should be doing it. I think you are a
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: natural fucking actor, and I think you're.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I just pretend, dude, it doesn't listen. It's not Daniel.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I've never done Daniel day Lewis acting. That's like the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: real act. Val Kilmer acting right in Tombstone, that's real act.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I think you could. I don't want to do it.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting. If I had another life, If I
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: had another life. I love movies. I fucking love movie.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It's a great show. It's a great show.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's called Lucky. It's on Apple. It's about what is
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that lady's name with the Big Guys?
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: First episode.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: She's really beautiful but very unusual looking. What is her
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: name again? Anna Taylor Joy?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Is that her name? So?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: She was in the Queen's Gambit. She fucking killed it
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in the Queen's Gambit. Anya Anya Ann Taylor.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: From The Witch?
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Right? She and that too?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: She's I think that was her first movie was The Witch.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch The Witch. No one in my family
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: will watch it with me. I want to watch it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a right giant Robert Eggers fan. I think he
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: fucking murdered Nosferado. I think it was the best vampire movie,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: by far, of all time.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Nas Frida was dope, The Lighthouse was dope.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You've seen The Werewolf, the Werewolf trailer that's coming out. Okay,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: don't you okay? I have I have, don't you okay?
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Me?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Son of a bitch, Here's what I will say.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: What the fuck are you gonna say?
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I love Robert Eggers. I'm not knocking it. But it's
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: the fourth movie he's released. We're in the trailer. I
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: see black and white footage and a lot of people twitching.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what you need, that's what I'm looking for.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, I just come on. I don't
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: know if it's gonna be different.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: This looks phenomenal. Yeah, it's it's funenomenal. Of course he's twitching.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He's turning into a were wolf. There's fuck is wrong
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: with you? DeRosa, There's no world. World will be a
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: bad movie. No world doesn't exist. That guy knocks it
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: out of the park. A plus every movie The north
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: The Northman. Have you seen that?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I did?
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Fuck?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: You didn't love that? I didn't get out of this room.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Go home?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: You do? You stop?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Go home? I'll tell everybody about your special The son
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: of a Bitch? How could you not like The Northman?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It more battles more.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Was perfection and A plus?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: You know what took me out?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: He might be my favorite director of all time.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: You know what took me out of The Northman?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: What U being a pussy? No?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Take it easy, fucking no, I'll tell it took me
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: out of it, Nicole Kidmen having full plastic surgery in
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: sixteen fifty or whatever.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: It was taking me out of it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: It was fucking Let me see what you looks like
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: about that Sonya Taylor Joys is she she's in the Northman.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Of course she is. She rules, She rules.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: But I love I think Edgars does great work. Or
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: excuse me, it does great work.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, he's the best. I think he's my favorite
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: director of all time next to Tarantino. Tarantino is always
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: going to be number one. He's but this guy's because
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's like levels to movies, and I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: think Tarantino was. He's the undeniable peak of the mountain,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and then everything else is pretty dope. The uh, of
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: course he's got some murder, he's got some killers. Those
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: guys have a few lemons.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're gonna you're gonna have some lemons,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and you went.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, Scorsese's output is incredibly high, and it's like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: of course you're gonna have a few duds.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Well. This is one of the reasons why Tarantino's the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: goat is because he figured out how to have no
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: lemons other than death Proof, which Tony loves. We all
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: argue about it all the time. So I don't see
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: plastic surgery Nicole Kidman.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: They showed her for a second.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she looked good.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think she's in the trailer A lot.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: That was let me see Nicole Kidbin And that was
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a long movie. That was a long time ago. In
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: this movie, right, what year was this?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: That's probably the North pre COVID, I think.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's like twenty seventeen or eighteen,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: did I say, Jamie.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I'm amazed with Robert Eggers that he gets wide release
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: theatrical releases with the types of movies he does.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's because they sell, right, they fucking sell, dude.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I mean they're so good, they're so good, people love
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: them and they go to see him. I mean, that's
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it's really that simple.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It's weir Where was a four years ago? Oh?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Really, that was only four years ago? Crazy, See if
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you can find a photo of Nicole Kidman from that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And I'm obviously not saying the movie is bad because
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: the Cole Kidman had plastic surgery, but it did. It
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: does take me out of it when I see somebody
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: doing a period piece with.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: See, that doesn't look like plastic surgery to me. She
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: looks totally normal.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because I remember.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe you just want her to have plastic surgery because
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you're a hater.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not shitting on Nicole.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Be a little bit of a hater. She looks perfect,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: She's got Yeah, what are you saying? Work looks perfect?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Work? Little work?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I don't see work, dude, I see a beautiful face,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you son of a bitch. Fuck is wrong with it?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: You go so down there when she's with Anya Taylor
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Joy right there, that's her right there, so that that
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: looks a little fillery. Unfortunately, that look I think has
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: gone away though. I think ladies are realizing that nobody
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: likes it, the filler face.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Did you see the chiller for this thing? The neurom answer? No,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: So the nerds are super pumped. This is like the
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: story where like, oh, I've heard the Matrix came out
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: of this so I had to take me a TV
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: show actually not even a movie.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Wait, how do you mean the matrix came out like.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Of like jacking in and stuff like that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, who wrote that book?
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Top of my head?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Four William William Gibson. Yeah, this is supposed to be
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: a movie that people were concerned was like impossible to
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: a book, rather that people were concerned with impossible to
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: translate into a film correctly. Okay, I don't know why
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: because I haven't read the book, but I've read that
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: argument like there's no way you're ever going to really need.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Just jacked in and now he's like in some new space,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: which I don't think. I haven't read it either. I
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: don't it's no spoiler alert or anything. I don't know
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: much about it. But people are very pumped that they
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: attempted this and it looks cool.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: But wait a second, so did the Matrix just take
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: all of its ideas from this?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Here, I'll find out what I mean when I said.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: That, Okay, Lucky Watch is so lucky. It's on Apple TV.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: It only has seven episodes and it's only going to
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: be one season.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I think I just started watching The Shards, which I'm feeling.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: The term cyberspace came out of that book and then
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: like there you go, a consensual.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, consensual hallucination experience daily by billions of authorized.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: The Matrix actually itself, I think came out of there.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oh well that's common, all right, Well that's commons. He
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: was ahead of his time. He figured it out.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: So now this is a weird thing, okay. And this
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: is a thing you notice with these directors that break
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: through and do an amazing first movie and then it's
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: kind of followed by a lot of ho hum stuff.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I mean the Matrix.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well the wakowskis the Matrix was this cultural phenomenon.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It changed everything, and blah blah blah blah.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: There are movies after that, except for maybe v for Vendetta,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: none of them really ever lived up to that. So
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: now we're seeing this and I'm like, well, did they
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: just get all the great ideas for the Matrix from
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: this other thing? And then they made a great movie,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: And then that's why they were never able to kind
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: of hit that again.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Every Matrix sequel was terrible.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: They're literally jacking in the same exact way through the
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: back of the head. Yeah, it's the same thing.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: And they're saying the term the Matrix came out of
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: the that's crazy, Like I thought they made that up.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: They got sued too, because some lady wrote I think
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: it was a graphic novel. It might have been a
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: short story, a graphic novel. I forget what it was.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: But she wrote a story and brought it to them apparently.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Well, she also said she wrote The Terminator for both.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Bo so she just a kook.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: That's a cook manuscript titled The Third Eye from nineteen
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: eighties and she yeah, I saw the story I remember when.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me let me tell you why she's a kook.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Harlan story, Well, because he mentioned the terminator. Harlan Ellison
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: wrote an episode of The Outer Limits called it was
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: called Demon with the Glass Hand.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Harlan Ellison ensued James.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Cameron when the Terminator came out, and he goes, that's
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: my fucking story.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I did it on The Outer Limits in the sixties.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And Harlan Ellison got paid and they were like, yeah,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: it's actually kind of the same thing.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: So this lady did not write The Terminator in the eighties.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it could be multiple influences. But it could be
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: multiple inspirations, right, it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Could be the worst one is and I'm a fan of.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: We're not accusing anyone of pologizing, but we're saying if
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: someone was gonna plagiarize. Why wouldn't they plagiarize from multiple sources.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: You can't just say just because he stole a giant
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: chunk of it from that one episode of a show,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that he didn't steal a bunch of
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: other stuff. And I'm not saying anybody's stolen, right right.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think James Cameron stole goddamn. I don't think
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: he saw I think he saw it thinking he might
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: not have even seen it. There's a lot of parallel
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: thinking when it comes to this concept of AI and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: robots being like people and take. It's in Battlestar Galactica, sure,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's like there's a lot of
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: that where people become robots. It's in the original Alien
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: movie nineteen seventy nine. Remember right, there's a fucking an
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence that is their guy that they don't know
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: as a robot until it it has a I think
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: they beat it to death. How they find out that
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: it's a robot, it's I think they kill it, they
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: not knock its head off, and that's how they find
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: out it's a robot.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Blanket on the act, it's, oh god, the guy's a
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: great actor.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: He's one of my favorites, and I'm blanking on his name.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: So this is seventy nine that they did that, right,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: So that's the terminator. Like, these concepts have been around
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: for a long time, the concepts of artificial intelligence taking over.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I think it was more the plotline of this this robot.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Comes back, oh in time. It was something like that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Oh and I don't know.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think James Cameron stold either, because there's no
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: other evidence of him ever sway something. But I do
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: think like we all do this thing where we see
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: something we don't remember. It goes into the subconscious and
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: maybe you go, I got a great idea and you're
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: not realizing, Oh, actually that's the thing I saw when
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I was ten.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: He's pretty intensely creative, like an original. I don't I
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: don't imagine that he would do that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I'd hope not, but I don't think so. But Harlan
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Ellison did win the case.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Interesting, I wonder how much yet pay how much did
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Harlan Elison get for that the lawsuit? Did they disclose
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: it or did they pay him just a shot? Oh?
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Fuck up?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Well Ellison is I mean, he is everybody's everybody loves
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: sci fi.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: He's their favorite sci fi guy. Like he is a guy.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Bold statement, he's the guy.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Ellison is the guy you'd luck. You should read up
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: on Harlan Ellison. You would love.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I probably should. There's not enough time to consume all
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the things. Yeah, there's so many things to consume. Dispute
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: ended out of court settlement, there you go, rather than
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a court ruling on what so, they just paid him.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Shoot the fuck up, so they probably gave him a
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: fat check.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. Soldier and Demon with the Glass Hand.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Involved combatants from a future war arriving in the present,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: including a relentless futuristic soldier sent to kill. Ellison argued
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that the Terminator borrowed this course set up. Commentators often
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: mentioned his Outer Limits episode Demon with a Glass Hand,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: but Elison himself reportedly said his principal claim concerned Soldier,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: not that episode. So it seemed like it wasn't Maybe
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: there was more than one thing, hm, either way, you
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: could you know, it's like every werewolf movie is a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: guy gets bit by a werewolf. Sure you know what
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I mean? Sure you could say, no one can make
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a werewolf movie anymore. Because of the wolf man, because
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: you're you're all stealing from the wolf man.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the difference is that's werewolf mythology right overall,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that's versus you know what I mean.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, of course, I mean that's yeah, but
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: bad example. It's not an original story.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: But you would love Harley Ellison because he was just sure.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: My favorite story of his is he talked about when
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: he was in college and he goes my literary professor
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: said I had no talent, so I got expelled because
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I punched him in the throat.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: He's act.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: How many bad teachers have ruined the kids future by
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: telling them they have no talent?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Right?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: How many? It's nuts, so many. There's so many stories
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: like that, so many stories of some shitty teacher.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: It's nuts.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Did you have when you were getting into well, well,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: how old were you when you said I'm going to
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: go do comedy. I'm not going to do any of
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: the ship that I studied in school.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to Actually I barely studied in school. I
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: only went to school because I didn't want to be
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: a loser. Literally, I went to UMass Boston, like the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: continuing education program, so I didn't have to take my essats.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I went for three years. I was wasting my time,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and the whole time I was doing it, I was
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: fighting and that was my primary concern. That was what
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about. And I was teaching at Boston University.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Oh you mean like like MMA fighting okay.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, kboxing and taekwondo okay, And that was my concern.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I really was the But you tell people, you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: what do you do? Oh, I'm a taekwondo fighter. Fucking loser,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: fucking loser. I'm totally I would not tell people what
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I did. I'm going to school, I'm going to U
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: MASS Boston. That was literally that's what I was doing.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so fucking well.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Four time state taekwondo champion. I fought all over the country.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew you've had fighting in your background, you
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: were champion stuff.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I was really good when I was young at taekwondo.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: That was really good.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: What made you switch gears from that to go into comedy.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, there's no future in it. There
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: was no future. I tried out for the Olympics in
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: eighty eight. I made it to the Nationals. I won
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the States and I went made to Nationals. I made
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to the third fight in the Nationals and I lost.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: That was in Miami in eighty eight. And then I realized,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't as enthusiastic about it anymore. Yeah, you
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: got extra cigarettes.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Look at that here for everybody.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And then I was also getting brain damage and I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: was very aware of that. I would lie in bed
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: at night after sparring and my head would be ringing,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: just throbbing, just boom.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm doing this for free. There's no
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: money in this. I'm not making any money.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was sparring a lot, especially kickboxing spar and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I was getting hit a lot. It was a lot
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: of like kickboxing wars, and it was just not worth it.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: It was just not And I was realizing, like, I
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: got to get out before I become that guy at
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the gym, because there were some guys that I had
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: met and then I'd watched them deteriorate a little during
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the time that I knew them and I was training
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: with them. I watched their personalities change. I watched them
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: get like slower, Like I could see their movement was
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: compromised because they had got brain damage. They'd been knocked
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: out a few times. And I was realizing, like, oh,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: this is a real problem, and no one seems to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: be thinking about it. Everyone's like pretending it doesn't exist
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: because they just want to be a tough guy and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: they just want to fight and win. And it becomes
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the thing you do. And the thing you do is
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: the only thing you know. And if that thing is bowling,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: then you bowl every night, you know. If that thing
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: is golf, then you golf every day. That thing is fighting,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: You're fighting all the time. Yeah, And it was by
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the time I was and I was also realizing there's
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: no future in this. I'm not going to ever have
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: any money. I'm always going to be poor. I'm always
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: going to be like wondering where my next paycheck is
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: coming from this there's no money in this. And there
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: was no UFC back then. And I got talked into
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: doing stand up by my friends. That's literally how it started.
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  Speaker 2: And then that was it. I mean you moved fairly
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: fast right through stand up.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Well, see I did half hour comedy hour MTV Half
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: hour comedy hour. I was like five years in five
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: years in the stand up and then I got on
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the television show Hardball, the show I did with Jim Brewer,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: did that flew out here or flew out to California?
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Rather?
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: And that got canceled after six episodes? And then I
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: got news Radio right away. So I only auditioned for
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: two shows ever, wow Hardball and news Radio, and I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: got both of them. It was the luckiest streak of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: all time. No acting class. I took a couple of
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: acting classes that I had to take. When Disney gave
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: me the money the first development deal, they said, do
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: you know how to act? I'm like, I don't know.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Why are you guys giving me money? It made no sense.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: They just wanted to put me on a sitcom. And
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: you know, this was in the nineties when sitcoms are
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: like Roseanne and Seinfeld. It was a gold mine. If
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you could find a personal that you thought was someone
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: who would click on a sitcom that people would want
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to watch, you know, every Tuesday night or whatever it
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: was they were, they were willing to pay you a
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: lot of money. And then all of a sudden, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: was out in la But it was never a desire
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: of mine. So because it wasn't a desire of mind,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't get nervous, Like I didn't get nervous during auditions.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I was It was not a it was not a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: thing where I like, this could change my life, this
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: could Yet it was like, what am I doing here?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: What is this? What am I doing here?
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: It's it's you're you're good at it.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: That's what you're fucking doing there.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Man, It's not it's not hard, dude. It's again, it's
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: not real acting. It's not you know, Marlon Brando. It's
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: it's just you're just pretending that this thing is happening
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: in the newsroom. It's not hard. It's fucking easy. I
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: mean the meantime I'm doing jiu jitsu, I was still
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: sparring back then. So I'd go to the Jet Center
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: and kickbox and spa, and so I'd go to work
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: like this is so easy, this is so easy we
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: can compared to stand up and kickboxing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: And did you notice when you said you were noticing
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: damage happening because your head throbbing and ringing whatever, did
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: you notice any other effects or did you cut it
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: off before any effects could actually? You know, like actual
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: things that were affecting you.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't notice anything like I was compromised or
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I couldn't think well, or I was forgetting things. It
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't like that. I think I cut it off before
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I got that bad. But I definitely got some brain damage.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And I think it plays a part of my impulsiveness
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: in my I you know, I like scary things. I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: like things that make me nervous. I like things that
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: are really hard to do. And I think it might
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: be part of that is that I got rattled a
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: bunch of times in my formative years. Yeah, because from
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty one, who knows how many times I
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: got hit in the head. Yeah, a lot.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: You're You're we're very different in that way. You're You're
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: a guy that I think very much likes a challenge.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: That conquering the challenge, you know, you know.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Well, it keeps me saying. That's what keeps me saying.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I think you make your the voluntary things that you
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: engage in that are way more difficult than the rest
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: of your life. It makes the rest of your life
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: easier because these hard things that you do voluntarily, voluntary
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: adversity force yourself to do hard things all the time,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: so then when other things that are seemingly hard come up,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this ain't shit compared to a cold plunge.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: At shit, I just did a workout, a hypoxia workout,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: and so it's at I have a box in my
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: studio that goes to it takes all the air out,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: so it puts you at the equivalent of fifteen thousand
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: feet above sea level. And you do this interval training.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: So you do sprints on the air dye machine. You
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: get off of that and you do these kettlebell cleans
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and presses or swing and you get off of that,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: and then you do the sled and you push the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: sled or you do backwards on the sled, and it's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: got varying resistance, and you do them in these fifty second,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: forty second and then thirty second sprints. So like everything
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: else is easy.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: God, I'm just I can't. I admire it. I admire
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: the shit out of it.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just for me. I think everybody should do
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: something hard. It keeps it keeps me saying for me,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I need it. I don't know, you know, I'm not
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: other people I don't. I don't pretend to know how
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: they feel, but I know how I feel. If I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: don't exercise regularly, I have more anxiety. I don't feel comfortable.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I don't feel good. I'm more irritable. I don't like it.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I don't like that feeling when I am, Like when
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I work out really hard and I do the things
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that I'm supposed to do, I feel great. I feel friendly,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I feel happy, I feel light, I feel like life
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: is easy.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a thing. I'm not blowing small. It's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: a thing I've noticed about you. You're You're a very
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I would even say happy, go lucky kind of guy
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: like You're You're very friendly.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: You're always in a very good mood.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: I've very rarely seen you, and I see you frequently
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: now at the club, very rarely seeing you come in
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: where you're like, fuck like, I don't think ever to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: be honest with you, and it's I guess everything you're saying, like.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: It a choice. It's a choice to feel like that.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: That that don't do you any good unless you're trying
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: to do something with that. Fuck this nless you've got
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: some ship you have to get done. That's hard, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you want to have this attitude where you're going to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: attack it like fuck this like regular life, Like why why?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Upset? Why?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Why you're not in Gaza? What are you doing? You're
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: not You're not in Ukraine hiding in a fucking bunker.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: What are you bitching about?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: You're living an easy life in America and you're rich, right,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Like what how dare I be upset?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: How dare I sure? Imagine?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: With the fortune, the luck that I've had in this life.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Me being pissed off at things, that's why it doesn't
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: bother me and people talk shit about me either, I'm
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: like okay, like talk that shit. You got fun you could.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Teach Remember when YouTube was doing those master classes where
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: like a guy would sit down and like Steve Martin
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: would be like, I'm going to teach you how to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: do write comedy or whatever.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: And David Mammott did one on writing or whatever.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: You could do a master class on YouTube in how
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: to let the shit roll off your back, because I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: am astounded at how much it does not bother you.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: When people are releasing clips and talking this and it's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: all bullshit whatever, and you're just like man, have.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Fun, knock yourself out. It doesn't. You can't stop people
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: from having an opinion. There's always going to be people
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: that have an opinion. And then in this market of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: hot takes, there's always going to be people and their
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: opinion is negative. Opinions are more valuable in terms of
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: the commodity of attention, attacking someone being you know, calling
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: someone out, it's more valuable in this commodity. And then
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: there's people that have legitimate differing opinions of me, and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: they you know, they don't like this, and they don't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: like that, and only guy said this, or they don't
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: like this person that I had on. What am I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: supposed to do? Address all of it? Even think about it.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I police myself as much as I can. Believe me,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: if I fuck something up, I'm mad at me more
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: than anybody's mad at me, right, So that way, I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: get it out on my own. I don't need a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: lot of external validation. I don't need any I'm not
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: interested in that. I'm interested in doing the best that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I can and I hope people like it, and that's it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: The little shit gets me, man, I know.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: That you need an outlet. Joe DeRosa you need a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: physical outlet to calm your mind. Yes, that's what you need.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: You need to get a trainer. Just hire a trainer.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: We talked about this, We have been talking about it.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Get a trainer, because you're not going to do it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: on your own. Get someone who you show up three
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: times a week and they put you through the paces,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: and a smart trainer will do it nice and slow,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: so the first few workouts it won't even be that hard.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: You leave there, you'll feel like energized, you won't feel exhausted.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: You'll feel like, all right, I did something, feel good.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And then and then he's like, okay, this is a process.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna we're gonna keep ramping this up
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: slowly but surely. But you're never gonna be like, oh
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: my god, I can't fucking move. I went to my
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: fucking trainer. He's killing me. My back is killing I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: can't get off the couch. No, no, no, no, no no no.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: A good trainer is gonna look at you, ask you
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: how what you've been doing. When was the last time
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: you worked out? How often you do? Okay, let's start
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: here and they'll start you off with some simple body
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: weight stuff they'll put you through some different mobility exercises,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: different stuff to just get the get the joints looped up,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: get everything moving, and then build your body up nice
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and slow, nice and slow.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my boy, Chuck, Uh you know Chuck Mexican OT's dad, Chuck. Yeah, Chuck.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Right when you and I talked about you, when you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: were like you should get a trainer, Chuck said to me, unprompted.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: He goes, Joe, let me train with you, dude. Take
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: him up on yeah, and he goes, he goes, I'll
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: come to your apartment. Let's just go I'll come to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: your podcast, jacked.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take him up on it.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing, and he said everything you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: just said.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: He goes, We're gonna go slow. It's not gonna be
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: this overwhelming thing because I get.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Overwhelmed easily, obviously. Uh.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: And I was like, Chuck, it's gonna be too much,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna start and he goes, we're not gonna
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: do that. We're gonna take it really slow. Let me
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: just come to your place and whatever. And so I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: think I'm gonna start doing it with him because I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: just need to.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: If you go to the wrong trainer. There's some trainers
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: out there that are meat heads or they don't really
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and they'll beat you down and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: they're like push it to the like no no, no, no,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: no no. You can't push it when someone doesn't work out.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: When someone doesn't work out, you go nice and slow,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: nice and easy, and then you slowly build up to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: the point where you could push it. Right, you don't
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: take a fucking pre and you drive it around the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: racetrack sideways. It's not designed for that. The suspension's gonna
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: fall off, the wheels are gonna there's no traction, you
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: got no tires. You're gonna have to build up everything.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: And then once it gets built up, then you can
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: push it. So once you getting look at Jelly Roll.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Jelly Roll lost literally almost three hundred pounds, which is crazy.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Now he's running on the treadmill. He did six miles.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: When we came in to do a podcast. We're all
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: working out together and he's fucking running on the treadmill
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: while we're talking. We're talking, he says he can breathe,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: he can talk, and he's running in a good clip.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Got in Asauana with me, did the whole thing. When
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I first met him, he's five hundred pounds, could barely
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: make it up the stairs to the comedy club. He
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't walk up the stairs. Now he's fit, Now
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: he's healthy, he runs all the time. So it's just
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: a process of building to get to that place. Like
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: he did that show. McConaughey has the benefit every year,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: and we went to the benefit and he performed at
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the benefit and he's on the stage and we were
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: backstage watching it, and so we're like in Me and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Tony and his girl and my wife were in the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: corner watching this. Jelly gets off stage and there's a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: railing like a ramp to get off. He grabs the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: railing and hops over it and lands on the other side.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I go, dude, do you know what you just did?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I go, you used to be five hundred pounds and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: now you just jumped over that railing like a cat.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: It was amazing. He was so happy. He's like, that
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: is crazy. I'm like, it's crazy. Look what you've done, right,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And that's what you have to do. You have to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: and it took him years, and that's how you have
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: to do it. It has to be slowly, but along
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: the way you'll feel better every step of the way.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: It's not about it's not about breaking your body down.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: It's about slowly introducing movement and some physical exercise and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: then building upon that. Ten push ups in a day,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: then the next day you try twelve, and then a
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: week later you're doing fifteen, and then two weeks after that,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: maybe you can do twenty in a row, or three
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: weeks a month, two months, whatever it is. Everybody's got
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: their own timing. Body weight squats very simple. Start with ten,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: no big deal, get to ninety degrees, pack up just enough,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: just to get the blood moving. Walking is fucking great.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: You know what's really great? Walking with a weighted vest
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: not that hard to do. Put a twenty pound vest on,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: twenty five pound vest on, walk around the block. Yeah,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: it's fucking great for you. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: different things that you could do that don't crush you.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: And then you're just gonna feel a little better. You'll
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of more vitality, more blood flow,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: and then you build upon that. That's the key.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I was building slow.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: I was doing three days a week, and it was
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: getting better and better and better and then and end
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: of the summer hit, August hit, I started going on
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: the road again, and all of a sudden it starts
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: to taper off because you're like, now, I got on
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: this day when I'm usually doing my thing, and I
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: got lazy, and I got to get back into it.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I gotta get back into it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: But the good thing is this, with what you're saying,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: with the slow build, when I start again, I'm able
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: to start where I stopped. I'm able to start there again,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: What I mean, right, rather than where you began exactly.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, that's listen, man, It's all about momentum.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Discipline is very important, but really momentum makes discipline a
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: lot easier. You know. It's like you say, oh, you've
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: got really good discipline, like m sort of I got started.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Once you get started, it's more about momentum than it
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: is about discipline, right. And then it's also about writing
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: things down. If you just write it down, you have
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: to do it right. You write it down and make
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: a check that way, instead of like keeping this thing
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: in my head. Oh, I'm just gonna figure out my
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: own workout. I'll do this, I'll do that. No, I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: have a whiteboard. I write down on the whiteboard, this
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: is what we're doing, and then you just do it.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: I had a list in my phone. These are your
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: exercise twenty reps of each of these, and I just
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: kept adding exercise.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know a good app, but I'm sure there's
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: some out there that will, like a really good workout
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: app that will vary your workout every day based upon
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: your level, based upon like you know, how much experience
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: you have. I try, it's there.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: The apps get confusing. I tried a couple of them.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: And there's got to be a good one out there.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I just don't know what they are.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of questions that I'm like, I don't
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: fucking know, man.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Because they're trying to make it good. Yeah, they're going
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: to trying to make an app that you know gives
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you what you need.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, exercise apps, again, there's there's good ones, I'm sure,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: But exercise apps kind of became like dating apps, where
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: there's a million that are all saying we're going to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: change your life in three days, and you're like.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I think most important is a real good trainer is
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: more important because he can correct your form in real time.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Tell you why, don't do it like that. You're going
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: to hurt you back. Don't do it like this. You're
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: putting too much pressure on this and that, and you're
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: not balanced. Whatever it is. He can get you to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: do it correctly, which is more important than anything. Yeah,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: especially once you start actually lifting weights. You know Pavelo Tatsulin,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: who's the He's the guy who really brought kettlebells to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: popularity in America. It's Russian cat and a great system
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: of training. But one of the things that he said
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: that really stuck with me. He says strength is a skill,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: and you just think of strength as a skill. So
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: like when you're working on your skills like kettlebell cleans
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: and presses, you shouldn't be exhausted. You should do he does,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: instead of doing it to failure. You know, like a
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: lot of people like to work to fail. Like imagine
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: you can clean and press fifty pounds ten times until
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you're like really exhausted, and on the tenth time you're
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: really kind of cooked. Don't do ten, You do five, right,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Just do five and then wait a long time, wait
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: like five minutes, rest up completely, and then do another five.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Do it that way. That's interesting because that way, you're
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: always fresh and you're working on skill. You're still getting
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: the same amount of repetitions, but you're not torturing your tissue.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: You're not taxing your system. You're learning it, and you're
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: not at a taking any shortcuts. You're not moving weird
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like leading into something in
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: a weird way. You're going to hurt yourself because you're
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: all out of line. You're doing everything with correct form
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: because you're not exhausted. Yeah, but you're still getting the
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: same amount of work in.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: The rest time.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Is interesting because I always thought, well, it like I
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: was doing two different types of push ups. I was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: doing the fucking forty five fingerspread down, hold up whatever,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: and I could get through.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Twenty of those.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Initially I couldn't, and then when I was able to
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: get through twenty, I was like, holy shit. And then
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: I was doing a different push up with the arms
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: back like this, and those when I got to that,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: I'd hit ten and I'd be like fuck, and then
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: I'd sit for a minute and then a minute.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Would go about it and be like, you got to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: do the other ten because if you wait too long.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: I always thought waiting too long was a.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: Bad thing, but you're saying no, Actually, rest five minutes,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: take a breath.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it as long as you have
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: the time to do the same amount of reps. You
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: just want to get enough work so your body forces adaptation.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be all to failure. Now. Again,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: depends on what we're trying to do. Right, If you're
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: trying to build up muscular endurance, then yeah, you go
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: to failure. It depends on what you're trying to do.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: If you're just trying to get stronger, that's a different thing.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously I do different kinds of workouts.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Like the workout I did today, it's all exhaustion stuff.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: It's all sprinting. It's not like the kettlebell stuff. This
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: is all high altitude and it's all like maximum intensity
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: on the air dne bike, maximum intensity on the sled,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: maximum intensity on the kettlebell cleans. You're beating yourself up
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: because you're only doing it for fifty seconds and then
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: or sixty seconds, forty seconds and then thirty seconds. So
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it's like I do a bunch of different kinds of exercises.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: But when I do like strength stuff. I don't ever
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: do it to failure?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Can you do?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: Is there a thing like like some people go the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: hundred push ups a day, whatever, that's their thing. I
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: always wondered, well, well, is it the same if you
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: do one hundred pushups just throughout the day, doesn't matter
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: if you start at nine and finish at three.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Farmers don't lift hay to failure. Right. They pick up
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: a bail of hay, they chuck it under the pile.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: They go back to get another one. They pick up
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: a baila, hey, they chuck it on the pile. They
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: go back to get another one. They push a wheelbarrow,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: They fucking hammer a post down, They do a bunch
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: of different things. They do it all throughout the day.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: But they're never doing anything where they're just very rarely
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: at least where they're lying flat on their back breathing
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: like they think they're going to have a fucking heart attack.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: They never have that. They never get to the point
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: where they're dropping the bailihey, because their arms are shaking
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: and they're like one more rep But yet they get
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: ridiculously fucking strong, right Why because of all the work,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be work to failure, and in
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: our mind we think, oh, you have to go to
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: failure in order to get stronger. And again we're talking
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: about very specific things getting stronger using kettlebells especially, but
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: can do dumbells and other things as well. If you're
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: now if you're doing something else, like if you're trying
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: to get maximum amount of a bench press, if you're
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: trying to like win a competition, or maximum amount of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: chan ups you can do, then it's a different thing.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a different thing. But if you're just
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: talking about overall building strength for your body, the most
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: important thing is volume, I think, and it's if you
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: can do like I said, I think this principle that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Pavel Tatzulin has is a really good one that instead
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: of doing ten, if you do ten to failure, do five,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Wait a while, do five again. And I think it
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: lessens the opportunity to get injured. You're you're much less
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: likely to get injured doing it that way. I'm very
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: rarely injured from working out, very from just kettlebell stuff,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: like very rarely.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Right, all right, all right, you inspire me to hop
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: back in and start doing it again.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I gotta I've really.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Getting somebody to help you, you know, get Mexicano T's dad. Yeah,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: get him to help you. Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, that dude's fucking jack.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a perfect guy. And he's the way.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: What he said is the right, Like he knows what
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: he's doing. That's why he's the guy to get you
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: doing nice and slow and just builds up. And also
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: he's fun, it's cool to hang out with. Yeah that
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: you like that too. You don't want to be an
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: annoying trainer. So he's asking you to post about him
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Yeah you know what I mean? Do you
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: post I got an energy drink I'm trying to promote.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, you get those dms exhausting.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, I'm back.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: There you go, you're back.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I'm back in, baby bro.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I read the craziest thing today and I need to
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: find out it's true. I sent you the thing that
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: where Nick Foenttes was talking about Jamie. So apparently there
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: was this plot where Iran was trying to kill Trump.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Remember when he was supposed to get in the Air
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Force one that Cotter gave him, and then instead he
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: flew in the old Air Force one. Well, they're saying
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: that he actually didn't even go in the old Air
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Force one, that they snuck him out on a truck
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: like some fucking cargo truck and then put him in
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: another kind of plane and flew him out of there.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: And then they put the press in Air Force one
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: because they were I think they were apparently worried they
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: were going to target Air Force one as well. So
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: imagine Trump put the press on Air Force one and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: they were thinking about possibly targeting them.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: He hid in an airport catering container and was taken to
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: a military jet for a secret flight out of the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: country after the NATO summit last month, and this is
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: being reported by the New York Times. The thing is, though,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I think they put the press on Air Force one.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: So if they flew him out because they were worried
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: they were going to try to take down Air Force one,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: and they took the.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Press, take the press off.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Know that you're right normal exactly If the press dies
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: so sad, oh my, you just get more pressed.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: That's fucking wild.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: If that's true, that is so wild that he didn't
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: even tell them. Hey, guys, uh We're not really gonna
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: get on this plane. No one's getting on this plane.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: You guys, get out of here, go take American Airlines home. No,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: he's like, hop on, it's safe. Yeah, it's Air Force one.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Guys, my gift to you. Take Air Force one. Enjoy it.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: There's food up, their sandwiches on there. Enjoy yourself.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Is that absolutely what happened.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: The reporters on the older plane were not told that
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: mister Trump had not flown with them from Turkey to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: an air base in Britain, making them unwitting participants in
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: the ruse, and leaving them, along with some White House
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: staff members, to serve as unknowing decoys.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Holy sh After they arrived.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: In Britain, he was secretly moved back to the older
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: version of Air Force one.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Bro Jesus Christ.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Those press people were signing up for something. They didn't know.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: They didn't know what they were sign up for, and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: they didn't tell them at all that when you want
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: a nellick, who's more important you are? The president? That's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: when you find out. Yeah, they just throw you on
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Air Force one. Shrimp cocktails. It's boom, all of a sudden,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: you turn into fucking protons.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: It's like fucking good Fellas when he's telling Karen to
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: go go go down and get the dress their stresses.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I'm okay, Karen.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Ship that is fucking wild.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: That is fucking wild?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: That's crazy?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Are they are there?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Is there?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Has there been backlash? Are they? Are they? Jamie? Are
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: they saying anything?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: Who's saying depressed?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: I would imagine they're a little perturbed. That would perturb me.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, that's so crazy. Holy shit, if it blew up,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: It's like I should have been there, wanted to be
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: there with them when.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: They died, their heroes.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: He would probably talk shit about them.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is funny.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe they had written nice of things about me.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: I would have told them, Oh my god, did you
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: I just watched I just watched Michael Michael Jackson movie.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: How was it?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Look?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: It's the first part of his life up till bad.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: They don't get into any of the crazy shit. They're
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: saying they're making a sequel that they might get into
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: some of the crazy shit. But it was it was fun.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: I'm a big Michael Jackson was fun to watch. But
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: I started reading up on Michael Jackson afterwards, because I
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: was like, it just was very nostalgic to watch. Do
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: you know this When he died, he was pronounced dead
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: at Neverland Ranch, and they lied to the press and
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: said that he was at a hospital already and pronounced.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Dead because they had to get the body out of
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Neverland Ranch. Wow.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: And they knew if they pronounced him dead at Neverland Ranch,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: they't be able.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: To get the fucking body out of the goddamn house
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: because they said the press would.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: Leak it and the clamoring of fans and whatever else
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: would literally have blocked them from getting the fuck from
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: transporting the body. So they had to lie and say
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: he's dead already, but he's at this hospital. And it
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: was a decoy because that's how fucking famous he was.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: They were like, we can't drive his dead body from
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: this location to another where we're never going to get it.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Stee something, garden clippers, something, try to steal.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: And here's another crazy thing. Because I know you've talked
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: about the Michael Jackson, like the conspiracies around his death
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: on the show before.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: This is another crazy thing. I didn't know he owned.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: You know, he had that vast music catalog that he
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: bought of music publishings, Beatles, Eminem bought Eminem, Eminem made
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: fun of him in a video, and he bought Eminem's
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: fucking catalog. Is a fuck you, the most pimp move ever.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to buy all your fucking music. Yeah, yeah, right,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: So he owns his catalog, right, it's it's I think
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: he might have owned Dylan. It was crazy that the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: rights to the music that he owns nuts. Right. He's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: with Sony.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: Sony wants the publishing back on all these artists, and
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: he owns it. And when he did his last album,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: he had to take out a loan against the record
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: company of two hundred million dollars to do the album
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: because he didn't have a lot of money left. And
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: they said you got to put up collateral, and he goes,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm going to I'll put up a portion
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: of the.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Catalog as collateral.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: And then before he died, he goes, they're not promoting
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: my album. And because they're not promoting my album, it's
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: not selling. And then everybody close to him said it
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: was a ruse. They didn't promote the album on purpose
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: so that he would lose the fucking catalog.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Because he wouldn't be able to pay the loan back,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: and then right after that he died, really fucked up.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: That's the business he was in. Yeah, you buy people's shit,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: they fuck you over. That's how it works.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's come on, man, well it's playing wars.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: He's playing war. If they blow up Air Force one,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: you gotta go, hey, maybe we shouldn't have fucking killed
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: the leader during Ramadon. This is how it works. This
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: is the game we're in. This is the business we chose. Instantly,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: he's in the business of fucking over his enemies. They
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: decided he was their enemy. They fucked him over.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: The doctor that administered the drug that killed him is
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: out of jail already two years and they're like, no,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: this guy was just a fall guy.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Well, you know the thing about the doctor is he
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: was asking the doctor to do that. The doctor shouldn't
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: have done that. It's not only the doctor killed him
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: on purpose, like he wanted to get an esthetize. I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: think he was so crazy that he in sleep and
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: he was so out of his fucking mind, and he
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: was probably on a bunch of stuff. He probably wasn't
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: just on propo fall If you're willing to take propofol
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: to go to sleep. What else are you taking? You're
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: taking some other things, right the doctor. The one thing
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: that he said that I found very fascinating was that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: he said that Michael had been chemically castrated when he
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: was young to maintain his voice. I've heard that, yeah,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: and it makes sense. It completely makes sense. If you
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: look at his body, it makes sense. His body looks
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: like it's devoid of testosterone, it has no testosterone. He's
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: very thin. If you look at his brothers, they're all thick,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: they're all like big dudes, Germaine, They're all like men.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: They look like men, like thick men. He looks thin,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: and he looks very different than them. That's not normal.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: That's not normal. That is that's not even normal if
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: you don't work out. And he was a dancer, so
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: he was incredibly athletic, right, so in all the working
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: out that he did, he should have been supple. I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: mean he was obviously he could move so good, I
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: mean he was His movement was incredible. Did you ever
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: see that Bob Fosse movie that apparently he got all
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: those moves from the one?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, so which the mini series that Sam Rockwell was
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: in or all of that jazz.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: There was a movie no before that along earlier, and
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: it's Bob Fosse doing all the dance moves that Michael
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Jackson did.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: I know what movie you're talking about. It's him and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: like a little kid, he's in the desert and.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. I mean it's literally all
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: of Michael Jackson's signature dance moves come from this one movie.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Watch this, Watch how he moves. Yep, So there's this,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: he's doing this, but then he also moon walks, like
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: look at this, like all this this is Michael Jackson.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I mean yo, wow, look at this the kick in
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: the point with the toes and putting it down, the movement,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I mean it's literally every movie does. Look
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: at that that point with the kick and the toes,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: even the outfit it's a nineteen seventy four movie, The
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Little Prince, Yeah Little Prince rather even.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: The outfit with the fedora bro I.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Mean literally, he mirrored his movements.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: It is incredible that Bob Fosse had the stamina and
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: ability to keep dancing like that for his entire life
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: until he dropped dead. Because if you watch the Sam
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Rockwell mini series Fosse and Veered In, which is an
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: amazing mini series.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: That guy bro he was. I mean, it was intake,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: that's all it was. He'd wake up. He's popping fucking pills,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: speed boom boom boom, coke, booze, cigarettes all.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: Day long, chain smoking, chain smokeing change, drunk through the
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: whole fucking day, popping pills, doing coke. And the fact
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: that he could still stand and not just stand.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Choreograph Broadway shows for hours and be that agile whatever
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: is that's insane.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: To me because he loved it.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: It's insane.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Find the thing you love, Find that
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: thing and you will have the energy to pursue it.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: It's really it.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: But but aren't you aren't you a little amazed that
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: that his intake of substance could not would not hinder
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: it at any.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy, you know, But I mean we've
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: seen that before, you.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, yeah, there's yeah, yeah, I hear you.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: There's there's people that have unreal tolerances like Shane with
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: with booze. It is unreal. Yeah, when you see him
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: pound sixteen bud lights and not a slur, not a stammer, nothing,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't miss a beat, puts the sunglasses on. Let's getting crazy,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: like we do protect our parks. And he'll have a
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: stack of empties at the end, and you're like, that
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: is insane. You should be dead. You should literally be dead.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: My favorite chain story ever ever. I don't mean to
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: tell his story, but this is my favorite chain story ever.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: And I was the other day. I go, dude, you
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: have to do that on tires. It's so funny.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: He ate chicken fingers and he felt sick and he
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: goes to the doctor because he's like, I think I.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Have food poisoning or something. Cick, something's wrong, right, he goes.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: The doctor goes, uh, you know, he's asking all the questions,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: how much do you do this whatever?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: And he goes how many drinks do you have in
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: a week?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: And Shane said he took a beat, and he's like,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be honest for once, and he goes
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: eighty crazy.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Oh that's so crazy.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: The doctor starts laughing and he goes, no, come on, man, seriously,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: and he goes.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Eighty and the doctor goes, it's not the chicken fingers.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: You drink eighty drinks a week.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Right, And I go, what happened?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: He goes, I went home. I threw up. That was fine.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: The next day it was the chicken fingers.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: Dude, we were at we were at Chappelle's summer camp thing,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: the ranch thing, and we're hanging out and I'm about
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: to go on. She goes, come on, I have a drink.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Have a drink.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: I go, dude, I already had two. Man Like, I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: gotta go on, Dude, I gotta be cool, I gotta
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: be careful like. He goes, have another drink, Dude, you'll
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: be fine. I go, Shane, I don't want to. I
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: don't want to be tipsy. He goes, what number drink
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: is after you? I go three?
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: He goes, I've had seventeen bud lights. Have another fucking drink.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: And he doesn't want to be alone and drunk land.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: He wants me to be there with him and happy
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: drunk LSB. He's a happy drunk though, the best. I'd
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: love him. He's so fun. He's such a fun dude.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: He's such such a unique person. He's very different than
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: anybody I've ever met. He's like you would think by
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: by you know, you hear him, you think like he's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: similar to someone you know, but he's not. Yeah, different dude,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: fucking smartest shit too, knows a fuck load about history.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Loves history, loves it. Man loves history.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: And and yeah, he's a very unique specimen. He's uh
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: and and as you said, a very fun drunk. I
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: was just down at the beach with him, and uh,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: he was on the beach all day and.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: I was at the house.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: I called it early and I was just kind of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: chilling out inside with McCusker, uh and Tommy watching a movie.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: We're just chilling and Shane came back from the beach
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: and he was all fucking tuned up from White Claws
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: wherever he was drinking. And I was laying on the
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: on this love seat in the room watching the movie,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: and he just kept coming up to me and he's
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: kept tickling me.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: He's going, come on, dog, come on. I'm like, you're awesome,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: You're fun. It's just he's so fun man.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a life of the party. Him and
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Joey Dia is in a room together with everybody else.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, you've got two enormous personalities.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Life's at the party in the room.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Together, Diz kills me.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: He's the best man. He's out here all the time now,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. I mean he's getting a place here
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: at the end of the month and he's gonna do
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: a residency. So he's gonna do like two weeks a month.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be here.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's fucking incredible. It's incredible.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: He's the best man. He's the fucking best. It's it's
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: so fun having it around. I was doing the last
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: time he was here. I was doing my monthly.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: My and Friend show at the Mothership and uh, and
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: he was the first two the first comic was on
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and he goes, He's like, Joe, could I
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: go up on your show?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: And I go, of course, And he went up and
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: it was just seeing the pop from the audience and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: just I was like, man, this is fucking great, dude.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: It's fucking fun having him around.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: We're very lucky, We're very lucky. We've got an amazing
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: group of people around us all the time. It's a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: lot of fun.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: And he said, the funniest fucking thing we were talking about,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: like diet and exercise and lifestyle change, you know, and uh, covid,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: I was doing too much of this or that. And
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: I go, when was your big change?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Man? He goes, He goes, Joe, you know what fucking
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: day it was. It was the day of the fucking Resurrection.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: And we know what.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: He goes, fucking January sixth, the fucking Resurrection.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: And we go, do you mean the insurrection? He goes, no, fuck,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: it was called I don't give a fuck.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: He used to call kobebe Off Colabebe, the fucking Colabebe guy.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a part of his charm, fucking up
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: people's names.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's so funny, the best dude. Man.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: He lives right near where my parents live in Jersey,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, dude, man, when I go
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: see my folks, I'm gonna I'm gonna get in the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: car and drive up and hang out with you for
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: a night because it'll be such a.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: Great break from just being with my mom and dad.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: And he's just the he's the best man. He's just
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: got a truly big hearted dude.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: I was really worried once he moved to New Jersey
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: we'd never get him out here because I went with him.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: We went out to eat New Jersey and he's the
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: King of New Jersey. I'm like, fuck, everywhere go Joey
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: cheer yelling his name, went to the restaurant. Everybody knows him.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: It's like immediately everybody's like running over to take care
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: of us. Joeway's here, Joey's here, and I'm like, oh,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: he's the king of New Jersey. He's never gonna leave.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: He's never gonna leave. He loves it here. But there
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't enough comedy there for him. It wasn't enough comics.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I always say is
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: that we don't exist in a vacuum. We always exist
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: with each other. Comics in particular, you can't really do
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: comedy by yourself. You can, but you can't do it
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: to your best. You need other people doing it around you.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: You need to see it and you around it. The
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: hang the talking about bits in the green room is
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: so huge, Like Asan has given me two killer taglines
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: after like seeing seeing a bit and saying what about this?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Like oh my god, that's perfect. Like those things like
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: we're always like tuning each other's ship up or reminding
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: each other of a bit. I remind like I remember
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Tony's bits better than Tony does sometimes, like I had
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: to tell him how a bit goes. He's like, oh
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: my god, I forgot that. I'm like, dude, go do that.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: Go do that right now. And he went up, I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: did it write that and murdered like you forgot you
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: got the bit?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's uh, it's a very it's a very.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: It's a very individualized sport in the sense of of golf,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: where you're playing like you're always playing against yourself. But
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: it's a very communal sport in the sense that you're
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: not playing necessarily in a literal sense with the team,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: like like a sketch group would, but you're playing with
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: the team, you know what I mean. The team is
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: in the green room, the team. You're playing with the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: team in the sense that your buddy is on before you,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: your buddy is on after you. You're all doing sets together,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: and the game is I got to play my best
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: game because I've got to follow the guy that just
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: set a good game and the guy after me to
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: have a good game so I can't fuck up his game. Yes,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: and it's it's a very interesting dynamic of team versus
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: individual play.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: It's also just the atmosphere that elevates you. And I
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: noticed that for sure about the Comedy Store in the
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: Glory days and the Glory days like twenty fourteen to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when we left, there was so much activity there.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: There were so many guys that were going up. There's
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: so much good comedy that you would just get elevated
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: just being around it, Like it raised your own personal bar,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: like what your high watermark was, and it just you know,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: you're around like guys are really tight acts, and it
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: just it really helps. It helps everybody. It's so important
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: to be around other great comics, you know. And that's
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: why these hubs like New York is so great for
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: that La and now Austin. It's like these hubs are
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: so important because you really we go on the road
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: on the weekends, right, That was the thing about the store.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: But on Tuesday and Wednesday were some of the best
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: nights because on Tuesday and Wednesday it would be Jesselneck, Diaz,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: fucking Greg Fitzsimmons, Domirera over and over, a Murderer's Row,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Burr would pop in, and maybe Chris Rock was in town.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: It was like, God damn these nights were insane. They
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: were so good.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: I'll I'll tell you.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: The reason I moved to Austin and the thing that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: continues to be the greatest challenge for me here in
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: a in a good way, in a constructive way, because
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: people say all the time to me online and shit,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: they'll be like, oh, you you moved to Austin to
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: for kill Tony. I'm like, I didn't fucking move to
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: Austin for go to. I knew Tony and I were
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: friends and I had done the show. I didn't become
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: kind of a part of that show until after I
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: lived here, because Tony started to put me on and
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: we started to have fun, and then it.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Grew from there.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: You and I were buddies, but like we're much tighter
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: as pals now than we were.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Well, we're around here all the time, exactly.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: So I moved here primarily for well number one.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: I love Austin, and I always and I used to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: live here, and I always want to go back. And
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: once you could do comedy here, it was like a
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: reason to go back, right and you could work. The
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: other reason was I was I was like I did
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: New York, I did LA. I want a new challenge,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: and there's a new scene now and all that stuff.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: But the thing that puts me on my toes the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: most and still does is this is the best place
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: for young comics to be able to pursue comedy because
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: they can actually live here, they can afford it. New
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: York has become unaffordable la is because unaffordable, a young
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: comic can come here, can live like a human being
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: and pursue their dream. And those are the guys that
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: keep me on Mico because you're like, dude, it doesn't
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: matter if I'm the only guy on this lineup that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: has done.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: TV or whatever.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: You got five people going up that are fucking swinging
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: for the fences, because when you're young, you really are.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: Like, I got to fucking prove myself. So you're following
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: even if it's four unknown people. They're doing their a shit.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: They are trying to kill as hard as humanly possible,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, I guess is got I
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: gotta fucking bring it, you know what I mean.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: There's that, and it's also their enthusiasm for it, you know.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: And and the thing about Austin is we have a
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: real system at the club that actually develops talent. Yes, like,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: we have two nights of open mic nights and we
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: have a real talent coordinator. Adam really watches everyone, which
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: is the open mic nights. He gives people advice, he
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: gets them spots, he helps them, he gets them on
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: showcase nights. He puts them on, he gives them sets,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: gives them feedback, and then they get to work. All
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: around town. There's five other fucking clubs on the same street.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Man, it's crazy, dude.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: You can walk from your place to Sunset, to the
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: Creek to Vulcan, Black Rabbit to Vulcan, and then if
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: you don't mind walking twenty minutes, you can be at
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: Roscoe's East Austin. It's fucking nuts.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Man, it's crazy. And then there's also cap City, which
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: is on the other side of town, which is fucking awesome.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: It's amazing here and you know, there's so many young
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: people that have moved here now. And then the kiltny thing.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: The kiltny thing is so huge because it's, first of all,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: you have one minute. You have no room for virtue signaling,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: no room for fucking clapped shut the up. Just where's
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: the jokes come? Come with the jokes and then no
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: one takes anybody. No one's taking themselves seriously. Everybody's getting
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: cracked on. Everyone's cracking on everybody. It's very fun. It's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: a fun environment and it's just emphasizing funny, what is funny,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: what makes people laugh. And there's a bunch of different
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: styles that do it. You know, there's a bunch of
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: different weirdos that go up every week and most of
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: them have no chance, but there's some gems. And that's
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: the thing about having like a true meritocracy where all
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: that matters is if you're funny, it's it. It doesn't
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: matter what you look like, it doesn't matter what your
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: background is. There's I mean, Kill Tony is like one
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: of the most diverse lineups you're ever gonna see. For
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: all the people that think that Tony's a Nazi, it's
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: kind of hilarious because trans people, disabled people, you know,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: people from all walks of live, homeless, literal homeless people
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: have gone on stage started a career because of Kill Tony,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: literally homeless while they're doing it, sleeping in a car
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, they have a career.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a truly amazing thing.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: It's it's you know, we just did uh.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: He just did MSG and I was there and did
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: the show and then and then paddled with Jimmy Carr
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: in a towel.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, crazy is that kill? Tony sells out
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden two nights in a row. When I
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: first did it with him, we did it in the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: fucking the belly room at the store, and the only
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: people in the audience were like comics. There was nobody
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: in the audience. There was like ten other people.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: Maybe, dude, I remember, excuse me. I was down here
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: to do south It was when I still lived in
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: New York. I was down here to do south by Southwest,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: and Tony hit me up and he goes, buddy, are
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: you in town Monday?
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: I go yeah, he goes his.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: Voice, buddy, he goes, he goes, come do kill Tony, Right,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: I go, okay.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't seen him in years, you know. Uh.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: And the last I saw him, I did it in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: the belly room maybe the main I don't you know whatever.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: It was at the County store. Dude. I walked into
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: the fucking vulcan because it was before Mothership open. I
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: walked into the Vulcan it was like fucking thunderdome, dude.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: It was two.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: Levels people like you could feel the excitement.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: I walked in the green room, Tony goes there. He is.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: I go, what the fuck is going on?
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Dude?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: What is going on? I go, is it like this?
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Every week?
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: He goes it sells out in one minute? I was what,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: I go, did these people fly in? He's like yeah.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, dude, it's broken our ticket our ticket
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: service multiple times where it's just the overwhelming demand the
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: people that are trying to get tickets versus the tickets
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: that are available. It's so crazy. It crashes the system.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: We had to like revamp the system with multiple times
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: just to deal with to kill Tony sales.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: That's fucking nuts.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: It's nuts. Well, it's just because it's so good. It's
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: that simple, and if you've gone, you want to go again.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: It's so fun.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: It's it's that moment.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: It was like in Remembering Casino when Peschi goes out
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: to Vegas for the first time and didn't ro goes
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: and this is whatever Sharon Stone's characters name is, and
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: then Pesche looks at Sharon Stone and he goes, holy shit, Ace,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: what the fuck you've been doing out here?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: It was that.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like I saw that crowd. That crowd
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: was Sharon Stone, yeah, and Tony was den near it.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: I go, what the fuck you've been doing out here?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Well, the vulcan really opened up our eyes to the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: fact that we needed a club. And what happened was
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: no one had done any stand up at all for months,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: and then Tony and I did the Houston Improv, which
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: is great. It was a lot of fun. We did
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: a weekend. It was in the middle of the COVID.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: It was in July and everyone was scared and I
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: did it and it was a lot of fun. I
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: hadn't done stand up in months. It was so much fun.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: But then I started thinking, what if I get COVID
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: and then give it to one of my fucking guests
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: and kill them. It was back when people were really worried.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to kill you? Sure.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, because I have like these
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: people that come in, some of them are older, you know.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: And I had this lady on who was a scientist
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: and she was older, and I was like, what if
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: I gave her COVID and killed her. Because that was
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: back in the day. That was also but people were
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: really convinced that you could be asymptomatic and still spread it,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: which turned out really what was going on was there
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: was a lot of false positives for the PCR test,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: eighty plus percent false positives. And so I said, let
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: me just take time off. I don't want to do that.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: I don't this just feels totally irresponsible, just because I
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: would want to get my comedy fixed. Let me just
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: ride this out. And then we wound up moving to Texas.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: And by the time we moved to Texas, it was
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: around November, and Dave and I were doing these outdoor shows.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Had stubs, right, yeah, we were doing shows as stubs,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: which was a lot of fun, but everybody had to
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: be tested. People had to wait in line, you know,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: it was like it was a big deal. And a
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: few people tested positive. We gotta kick him out, right
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: then the Vulcans just started doing shows. Fuck your tests,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: let's just go back to where it was. And this
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: is in November, and Ron White went up and he
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: hadn't gone up in like eight months. He hadn't done
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: any stand up in eight months and he went on
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: stage and the audience went fucking perserk. They went perserk,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: like people were standing up. Yeah, and he murdered. I mean,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: Ron White just laid it down for fifteen minutes, I'm sure.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: And then he grabs me by the shoulders off set
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: of his whatever the fuck we have to do, We're
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: gonna keep doing this. He goes, you got to open
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: up that club, and I was like, all right, okay,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: we're gonna open him amazing, And that was when I decided, like,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: that's it, We're gonna open up a club. And then
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: I immediately started looking at real estate and immediately tried
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: to find a place.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. That's
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: how the hole.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: That was it Ron White grabbing me, because Ron White
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: is why I moved here in the first place. So
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: I knew Ron moved year in twenty eighteen, and you know,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: me and Ron were talking on the phone. He was like,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: I fucking love it here, and you know, he's telling
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: me how great Austin was, and everything else was locked down.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, look, if I moved to Austin, if
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: no one's doing stand up again ever, at least I
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: can hang out with Ron, like it'll be a comic
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: that I can hang out with and in and live
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: in a place where it's like more relaxed and it's
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: easier to get around and sure you don't have to
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: wear a mask everywhere. It was like it was at
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: least it was more chill here, even if we never
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: do stand up again. And so him doing that and
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: just grabbing me and saying, we're gonna we gotta fuck
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: do this, whatever the fuck we have to do. That's
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: what he said, Like he was just on fire coming
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: off stage, just on fire and just grab my shoulders.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, we're doing it.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: That's fucking great.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: And that's what I just because I was always we
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: were talking about it, like we should open up a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: club where and I looked at a bunch of different places,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: but they kind of sucked and they were trying to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: fuck me. They were asking way too much money for
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: these places. Like during the beginning stages of the pandemic,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: when everyone was moving here from California, everyone got crazy
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: real estate. They got really nuts.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Oh it was it was bad shit.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: They got really delusional. The prices went up like one
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: hundred percent in a lot of places.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going through it now because I bought a
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: condo here and I'm trying to sell the condo and
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: buy a house. And it's very tricky now because the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: market has shifted so much and values.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: There's way too many condos for sale, way too many,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: way too many.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: I'm worried that I'm gonna end up buying this house
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: and not be able to get rid of this goddamn condo.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: You don't have to keep the condo.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I don't have any need for it. I'm like, I
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: don't know what I would do with it, you know.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: But I also don't want to live in this condo
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: anymore because originally.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: That's where he takes sketchy women. Women. I think they're
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: going to run, you think might rob you, because I
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: know you did a lot sketchy. Go take them to
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: the condo. Have a house where it's like calm and peaceful,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit off the track, get a little yard,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: you know, get some peace and.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Quiet, and take it to Ada Goes. Why is there
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: only an air mattress in here?
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: How come you only have four pairs on underway.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad it's not a bad point you make.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: I've had a few people in my condo. This was
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: a mistake, gave this address away.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Once you have people showing up at your house like,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Oh no.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: It's it's oh wait, you were just you're talking about
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: starting the club.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, what's so weird is it's it's a it's
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: an odd like kind of full circle moment. But when
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: I lived here in two thousand, your club was the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: original Alamo. Yeah, and the Alamo Draft House at that
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: time was the only movie theater ever in the country
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: that served food and alcohol during a movie. And I
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: remember that being a place that I went to frequently
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: because I thought it was so amazing that you could
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: get food.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: During a movie, and the kinds of movies they played
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: I loved. And then on top of it, I always
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: saw that as the reason that I loved Austin.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: It was sort of just a it was just sort
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: of a symbol of why I loved Austin the concept
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: of it all. And it's so weird now that I've
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: moved back after all these years, that that's where the
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: mothership is and now that's my symbol for living in
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: Austin and being a part of this club, and that club, begatting,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: all these other places that we get to perform in
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: this scene and all that stuff. It's a very weird,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: like kind of full circle thing. I didn't realize until
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: right now as we're talking about.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: We need to have a birthday party for the building.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: The building turns one hundred next year.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we have.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: To have a birthday party for the building.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you absolutely should.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we should do something.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: A lot of history in that building, a lot of
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: cool shit.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: You could feel it. I felt it when you never
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: got to be here, when it was bare bones. But
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: when it was bare bones, when it was just the
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: movie theater before we did all the renovations and raise
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: the ceiling or lowered the ceiling and raised the floor
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: and changed it and made the tunnel and all the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: structure that we put in place. When we first got
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: in there, like you could feel it, feel it, like
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: baked into the walls. I mean Stevie ray Vaughan performed there.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: What was it before the Alamo, It was.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: A bunch of different things, so at one point in
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: time it was like a punk rock club. So like
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Black Flag performed there, like who's this Chili Peppers in
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: Chili Peppers eighty six.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: So that's why all of those punk flyers are in
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: the green room.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: The green room is all flyers from people that performed
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: at the club their shows. I didn't know that.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was just a cool, like the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: core thing.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that too, but it's also look at he's
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: got the sockover his cock, Rob Butthole right on our stage. Yeah.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: All those things on the wall, all those different people,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, all those different people performed there. That was
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: their their flyer for the show that they did when
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: they were at the club.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: There's so many bands on that wall.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: When I'm like, yeah, it's tons. So it was a
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: punk rock band, it was a punk rock club. It
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: was a rock and roll club. It was a pool
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: hall for a while. Uh, it was a newdy movie theater.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then obviously it became the Alamo, and then
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: the Alamo went under, I think before the pandemic it
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: went under. And then it was available you know, like
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: a year, and I looked at it and I was like,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: it's like too much work, and and and then that
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: was from what year seventy four? Wow, So that's fat
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Man Yep, that's what it used to look like.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Fuck man.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: I mean it looks different obviously, but it doesn't look
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: that different, Like.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: It looks a lot more narrow. Yeah, what I don't understand, Like,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: what what happened? I wonder if it was two rooms
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: back then.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: It looks different. It looks very different in terms of
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: the like that looks more like it, right, Oh, different one. Yeah,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: the middle one looks like it, but the middle one
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: looks more like it. Go back to that again. Yeah,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: that looks more like the dimensions.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Fuck man.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: We fit two hundred and fifty people in the big room,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: but I think we could fit a lot more if
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: we have seating like the Comedy Works in Denver, which
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: I think is the best seat. That's what it looked
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: like when we first got there. We first got there,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: it looked like that, and we walked in and we
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: were like, holy shit. And the stage was really high,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: obviously because it was like movie theater, sure, and the
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: seating was at an angle, a very sharp angle, like
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: a movie theater, and so we had to raise the
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: floor up so it was flat in the sun and
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: there's just a slight raise in the back and then
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: we kept those two balconies. Go back up to that
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: picture right there, those two balconies that we have. Obviously
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: we have the green room balcony and then the VIP balcony,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: which is such a dope thing to have. Yeah, because
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: there's always always friends that come by that want to
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: want to come by and see the show, and you'll
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: always have forty seats. You know, you could always get
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: forty people up there, so there's always.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: Those balconies fit forty people to Yeah, holy shit, that's crazy.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: We always can stuff plenty of people back up in there.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: That's fucking wow.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: I had no idea the building was as old as
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: you just said it was, Yeah, and I had no
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: idea all that other.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: Shit was nineteen twenty seven.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: Is this still the main room or is this little.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: Boy Kansas City?
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: So okay, sir, similar looking, but you know, we tried
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to do it. Do we do
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: it just like like initially we thought, well, maybe we
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: should do it just like this, like have seating like
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: movie theater seating, and then we're like, no, we should
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: probably like raise the floor up and make it flat
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: in the front. It would make more sense, you know,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: and then we had to figure out like what to
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: do with the stage, and then Louis gave me some
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: really good advice. We were going to keep the ceiling
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: the way it was, and Louie was like, how can
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: you lower it? And I was like, I think we
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: could lower it like and still get some view out
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: of the balcony. So we had to figure out how
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: to lower the ceiling just enough so and it made
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: a difference. And then he said lower the ceiling in
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: the Little Boy too, and we did that, and then
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: we also made the stage smaller in the Little Boy.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: This is all Louie's advice, and he was dead on.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, tell me what you think. I left
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: listened to everybody. Everybody got to say and what to do?
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: You know, what to have? Like Brian Simpson, it was
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: his idea to have the lights in the green room,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: the light that shows you someone's got the light in
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: the big room, someone's got light, the light in the
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: little room. And then I think it was Tony's idea
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: to put the timers one or the other. Maybe it
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: was Tony for the lights, Brian for the time er.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: I forget, but everybody had a little piece of the
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: like I think it was Brian's idea to have mom.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: It's like everybody got to say in how it's done.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: That's what it looked like when we first walked in.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: Now what does it look like now? I never go
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: in through the front the ceiling and I know, go
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: to go to what it looks like now. It looks
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: you can find an image of the mothership.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: Similar and it's been redone obviously, but it looks similar
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: enough that you.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Can see Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's essentially it
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: was set up perfectly for two rooms. There's no pictures
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: of the UFO. That's kind of crazy. So we have
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: a big UFO as you walk in, Yeah, there it is.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: That's the UFO and it is a projector. So the
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: UFO is a projector and up on the screen it
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: projects all the people that are coming soon. It's been amazing.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: We've we've been open for three years now and it's
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: been the most fun thing that I've ever been a
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: part of.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious. Dide I've walked under that projector a thousand
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: times and I never realized or the fun me and
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: I never realized it was projecting ship. Yes, it projector
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: it's so funny.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: You know. We just wanted to wanted to make it cool.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: And it's also I think it's a fire extinguisher. I
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: think the center of it as a fire I think
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: we had to have one, so we put it in
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: the center of the UFO.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: That same that same time, I was talking about during
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: south By Southwest and and when when I did kill
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: Tony that it was me and Adam Ray were on
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: panel and and the next day Eric invited us over
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: to see the club and it wasn't done yet, you know,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: but he walked us in. I remember him walking me
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: through little Boy and being.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Like, we're going to do this, We're going to do this.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: I remember he goes, you're gonna play here, and I go,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: I fucking hope, So I hope. So, but yeah, it was.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: It was wild seeing it like, you know, in the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: construction phase and and and whatever, and then seeing the
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: final product and remembering like.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember he told me they were going to
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: change that.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: It's been really fun.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know, it's it's you know,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: it's it's I think few people are in a position
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: to have created a club that can operate the way
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: a club ideally should operate. And you're one of those
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: people and you made it work.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: But you have to do it not to make money.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: You have to. Like my goal in the beginning was
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: just break even. That was the goal, Like, let's just
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: break even. So the idea is that everybody gets paid
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: what they're supposed to get paid, particularly the comics get
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: That's what everybody's here to see. They're not there to
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: buy drinks in an empty room. They're there to see
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: the comics. So the comics should get the most money.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: That's you know what I used to always think when
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: I'd go to other clubs, I'd like, this is crazy,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: But I would always tell comedians be nice to club
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: owners because you don't want to be one. Like you don't.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be the guy that has to
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: run these fucking places and deal with these maniacs to
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: come in, and especially some of the nuttier ones on
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: the road, you know, like cold. You imagine if you
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: had to run the Funny Bone in Columbus, Ohio, fucking
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: fu an animal to show up, missed their flights and
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: they're fucking they do ecstasy the night before. They can't read.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's eight thirty. The headliner's not there yet,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: Like what.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: He's trying to score coke?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I I I always I always said
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: that to as I was, I would never want to
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: be in a position where I have to deal with
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: comics from that side of.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: It, especially comics coming up. There's like most established comedians,
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: once you've been doing it a long time, you have
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: a career, you're you're like you're reliable. You know, you
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, if you book you know
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: fill in the blank, Yeah, you know whoever it is,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: it's like national headliner, they're going to show up.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: Well also to like the the profile and correct me
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong. But the profile that you were able
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: to bring to the club probably helped you circumvent some
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: of the horseshit that club owners in Idaho have to
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: deal with with agents and all that shit where it's like,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: hey man, sorry, there's an improv there, so we can't
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: take our guy out of the improv or what and now.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: You're fuck, there's a whole other battle now that you
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: have to do.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there's that and if you pay people more, they'll
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: go to your place. Yeah, yeah, that's what they get
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: found out. Yeah, and it pisses off the other clubs.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: But look that's not my fault. Like this is I
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: am a comedian. I made a living doing this for
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: a long time, and I know the value of the comedian.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: I know the value of the comic. The comics should
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: be getting most of the money. You know, I don't
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: deserve most of the money. We can make money. We're
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: gonna make money on twenty percent of the ticket sales
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: and the liquor and all that jazz. We'll make pney
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: of money. Like let's not be greedy, Let's just make
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: an awesome environment, right, And that's what we wanted to do.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: So the goal was never to make money. So most
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: people when they start a business, their goals to try
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: to make money, and this was a conscious decision to
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: not lose money, just make it cool.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: It's it's again, you're you're, yeah, you're you were. You
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: were in a in a very uh advantageous position to
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: to make it the right way.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: And it was also like I kind of had to
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: do it that way because I had the resources. And
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, look, you're supposed to do the right thing.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: This is this is this is the thing you should do.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: What would you like someone with that has your kind
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: of money to do? I would like someone to make
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: an awesome club for comics, like you're you're a comic,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: you know how important it is make make make the
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: fucking the best creative environment, welcoming everybody, pump everybody up. Yeah,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: that's what you should do, dude.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's funny because I always say, if you're
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: if and you did this as a comic, right, I
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: always say, with the with a movie star, right, somebody
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: who's got, you know, real movie star bank. I'm just like, man,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: why the fuck don't more of these guys that have
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: endless cash start creating film situations.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: That they want to be a part of. I don't
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: mean like we're.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: Going to do the next blockbuster thing, or we've got
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: a franchise or whatever. It's like, why don't you take
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: ten million bucks and make the fucking art, fucking.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Movie with all of your friends that you always wanted
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: to make, because who cares? You will break even, You
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: will break even at the very least. I never ever,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: ever understood why more people in that position don't do it.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: I don't get it because rock stars do it all
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: Rock stars start a little label and they start putting
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: on other bands that they love, and they do passion
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: projects because they want to work with their friends. I've
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: never maybe not never, but it's very rare that you
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: ever see a movie star do that, And I'm like,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: why not do it? For years, American Psycho was the
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: big one.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: The Bretty soon Ellis novel. Why haven't they made it
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: accurate adaptation?
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: Well, the studios don't want to touch it because it's
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: too violence too This is it's like somebody with five
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars who's a movie star, fucking go, I'm
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: gonna do it, and I'm gonna do it the way
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: it's supposed to be done, and it's gonna work because
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: that's what people want to see.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: And fuck it man, Like I just I don't get it.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think that the Christian Bale version was not accurate?
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: I like the Christian Bale version a lot, but it
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: is not the book. The book is fucking dark. It's brutal. Yeah,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: they're shitting that book. I was reading that book and.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: I was like, brettyston Ellis has murdered somebody. There are
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: details in heroes, Like, I don't understand how you would
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: know this.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: Like, there's one of the darkest scenes in that book
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: is when he goes to get rid of the body
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: and the real estate guy sees him in the room
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: because they're selling the apartment, and so he realized that
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: the real estate guy has already gotten rid of the body. Yeah,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: and they look at each other and he just leaves. Yeah,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh god.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And there was By the way, I was just
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: joking about Breddy Snows. I don't think he's murdered somebody.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like we have to say that.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: It's very important to clarify.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was just joking.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: But but the thing the book did and they cut
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: up they cut a major scene out of the movie.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 3: It's the one extra scene on the on the Blu ray,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: and I don't understand why they deleted it. But there's
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: a scene in the movie where his friend says they're
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: at the club at the beginning, and his friend goes,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: I'm out of here, and the guy climbs up like
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: these like rafters or whatever and crawls into like a
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: fan vent in the club and you never see him
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: ever again. And that's the part in the book that
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: makes you go, is this all on this fucking guy's head?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: What he just described happening is nuts And this guy
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: is now gone and nobody knows where he is and
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, is it that's such a key scene, And
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: they cut it out of the movie, and so whatever
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: they're remaking it now again.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be American psycho.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: I think maybe Adam Driver is connected to it. I think.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of psycho behind his eyes.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: But The Shards is the new brettistonallis adaptation on on Fox.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: It's his last novel and it's a it's uh, it's
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: a it's a fictional autobiography where he the main character
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: is him as a teenager, and there's a serial killer loose,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: and all these murderers are happening. They're targeting teenagers, these brutal,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: fucking murders, and there's a cult happening that's reminiscent of
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: the Manson cult. And then he's also coming of age
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: and realizing he's gay, and like, as he's trying to
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: deal with the fact that this murder thing is happening,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: and he.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: Thinks he knows who it is.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: And it's a wild story, but there and he's he
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: co it with Ryan Murphy the TV show.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: The adaptation, it's really fucking good so far.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: Really so it's a period piece.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes place in like eighty three or eighty four.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: You know how I could tell the Ferrari Yeah old Ferrari.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: But it's one of the adaptations where I was like,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like they're really capturing a lot of what's
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: actually in the book, because Less than Zero is a
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: cool movie, but it's not the book. Rules of Attraction
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: is a great movie. And that's he said that was
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: the closest thing that anybody had gotten to the books.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: It's one of his books. American Psycho. Would be very
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: hard to capture the darkness of it, because you also
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: are capturing this guy's internal dialogue, you know, which is
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: some of it. Yeah, it's dark. So what would you do?
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Would you have a guy narrate the internal dialogue? You're
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: missing something?
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Well they did that with Bail. He narrates the entire thing.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: I know, but you're missing something there.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: It's very funny, you I mean, because.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: I think instead of hearing it when you're reading the
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: internal dialogue, you understand that there's no you don't hear
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: the voices, right, you know what I mean? Like, this
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: guy's got some fucking creepy shit going on in his head.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fucking psychopathic murderer. It's like you
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: get into his head in this way that I don't
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: think you ever do in a movie, Like you're in
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: his head when you're reading it, because you're imagining it
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: all happening in his head. You're imagining how he's viewing
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: like the real estate scene, like he's locking eyes this
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: real estate guy. There's this a creepiness to it that it's.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: Like he plays the best scene acting wise, in my
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: opinion in that movie is.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: When when they're comparing the business cards.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're like they're like one up at each other,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: look at mine, man, it's bone.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: White and whatever. And Christian Bale starts sweating and he
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: gets like horse and he's like it's nice. It's nice
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: because it's this fucking pissing contest whereas the best business card.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: And he's so upset that he doesn't have the best
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: business card, yeah, that he wants to kill that guy.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly exactly.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to this podcast about Luigi, the guy who
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: murdered the healthcare executive. It's a very very interesting podcast.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it details how they caught him, the whole deal.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: But one of the things they brought up is one
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: of the first things they thought of after that guy
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: got assassinated was was probably somebody worked with Really, Yeah,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: they had to find out whether or not someone had
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: some sort of a grudge someone got recently fired when,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: you know, because when people get murdered like that, you
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: oftentimes think it could be a co worker. I have
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: a core, a former co worker.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: I have a question for you about Luigi. I'm glad
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: you brought it up. I'm so sorry. I have to
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: pee really bad.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Why don't you go pee really bad?
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to pee really.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: Question about Luigi?
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Fucking manager does it? It's everybody does it. It's really
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: fucking annoying.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Joe. More annoying than boiling your own coffee.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: No, nothing's more annoying than that.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: The turning on the stove, filling the pot. When does
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: it end? When does it end? Well, Luigi, Luigi, Yeah.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: This is what I wanted to ask you, because they
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: has a theory.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: Well, they were all okay, not publicly.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: There were all the people.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: You know that Luigi sparked that whole debate about justified
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: violence or whatever, which I thought was bullshit.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: But everybody that was raw rawing Luigi going he's a hero,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: and how many people is this healthcare guy killed him?
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: All that bullshit.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: I wonder now what everybody's saying about the fact that
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: Luigi is doing the insanity plea, and it's like, well,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: he didn't really stick to his fucking I mean, if
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: that's what's his thing, and he was going to be
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: the big crusader for.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: Him toss playing the legal system, I mean, that's the
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: smart move. Played the insanity.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the smart move if you're.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: An also might be accurate.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: But also is it the smart roove you're trying to
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: I know, it's the smart move.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. If you're going to go out there and go.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: I did this because it was justice and whatever, and
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: then go, oh wait, actually next guy was a little crazy.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: Well here, but here's the point. If you did shoot
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: a man who had nothing to do with you because
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: you thought it was justice because he was a healthcare executive,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he picked that guy. I don't
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: know the details of what that guy has done. He
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: was he particularly bad?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: He was I think he was a CEO? No, he was,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: he was. It was.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: It was definitely targeted that this man is this man
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: is responsible for decisions made.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: Was he the CEO Jamie of United Healthcare?
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: Is that what he was?
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: So if you think that you should go murder somebody
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: like that, that you you're probably mentally ill if you
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: think that that that kind of violence is justified. The
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: problem that a lot of young people are having right now,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people that agree with you know
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: what Luigi did and they celebrated it, is because everyone
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: knows that the system is rigged and no one is
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: doing anything to change it. And this is what drives
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: people fucking crazy. If you get health insurance, and their
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: whole business model is to deny as many claims as possible,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: even if they know that your claims are justified, because
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: they want to make money. So they're really in the
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: making money business, and they're pretending they're in the we're
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: going to take care of you and give you insurance businesses,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: so they're not really in that business. They're in the
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: business of making the most amount of money. If they
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: can fuck ten percent of the people over or twenty
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: percent of the people over, that's twenty percent more money.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: And that's how they look at it, and that drives
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: everyone nuts and rightly so. And if they don't fucking
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: correct that, people don't have a whole lot of options
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: great as to how to lash out out and how
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: to get back, and especially if like let's say it's
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: your wife. Let's say your wife gets injured or gets
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: a disease or something and they can treat her and
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: they deny the claim, or maybe she needs a surgery,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: some crazy surgery, and they deny the claim and it
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: bankrupts you and she dies. You want to murder somebody.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: And it makes sense because you're paying for this fucking
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: insurance all this time, thinking that you're insured if something
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: goes wrong. That's the whole reason why you give them money.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: You don't give them money for freebies. It's not for
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: no reason. It's not because you like them. You want
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: United Healthcare to have a yacht. Yeah, No, you give
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: him the money because it's supposed to be in agreement.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: I agree with that completely.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: I have no beef with the concept behind his motivations
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: for hatred of a healthcare CEO.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with that. My question is, is
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: it is it?
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: Does it take away from Does it take away from
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: the people that were raw rawing him for him to
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: now go, oh, it was just crazy.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't think it does.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think it does. It's trying to not go
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: to jail. And a lot of those people think you
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: shouldn't go to jail. I think you should go to jail.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should be able to be walking
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: up to people on the fucking street and murdering them, right,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: But I can understand where your anger comes from. I
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: get it, I really do. And and there's a thing
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: about capitalism, right, there's a thing about corporations in particular
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: that are you're you're beholden to your shareholders, you have
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: to make more money every quarter. That alone, that motivation alone,
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: motivates sociopathic behavior. The people that are going to be
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: the most successful are the ones who are going to
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: be the most ruthless, and they're going to squeeze the
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: most money possible without about crushing the company's reputation. And
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: that's their goal. And in the healthcare market. The problem is, like,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: what are your options? There's no one amazing option where
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: they always take care of everybody, and they're real it's
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: ethical capitalism. They're just trying to look, we make plenty
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: of money giving people real insurance and really taking care
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: of them and really paying for and so let's make
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: less money, but let's make everybody healthier. Nobody does that. No, no, no,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: So your options if you have to get insurance are
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: very limited. You're just giving money to psychos. So which
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: psycho gets my money? Which psycho that does give a
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: fuck about me or my family or anybody I love
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: if they get hurt or or sick.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: Every year, every year that I don't do a writing
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: gig on a TV show, which is not every year.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 3: I don't do it frequently. I do it sometimes. But
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: every year I don't do a writing gig on a
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: TV show, or I don't act enough to clear SAG insurance,
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: I have to make a decision. Is this worth six
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars a month for fucking health insurance?
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: Is it? I don't know. I don't know that it is,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: especially now with.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: Just imagine how angry you would be if you paid
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: all that money right then you broke your ankle or
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: something like that, denied you.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like what, Yeah.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: And this is why people cheer about Lis Luigi Guy.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: There are a ton of stories of people who had
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: treatable illnesses and they were denied coverage. They had surgeries
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: that could have been done to save them, they were
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: denied coverage. There's a ton of stories like that.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: It's a dirty fucking game. It's a dirty, dirty.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: And it's not the game they're pretending it is. They're
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: pretending the game is we're gonna help care take care
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: of you. You're gonna have a safety net so you
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: pay a little bit of money and hopefully nothing happens.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: You never need us, And that's our gamble. Our gamble
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: is if you do need us, you're gonna get more
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: value out of it than you put into it. Yeah,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: and they don't want that.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: Health insurance has become like the uh, the protection planet
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: best buy. When you buy a TV, you want the
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: two year protection plan in case any No, I don't
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: fucking know, because no.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: Some places have a good protection plan though they just
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: give you a new TV. Healthcare is not even that,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: it's not even that, it's worse. It's worse than best Buy.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: I don't you just went well, some places have a
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: good protection plan. They do.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: Some places you bring them the computer, they give you
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: a brand new one. This thing sucks. It broke. Yeah,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: I go, okay, hold on, I file out this, fill
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: out this form. We'll go. You get another one.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: Every time I've tried to utilize it, I bring it in,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: they go, oh, well, actually, oh really, yeah, this doesn't Yeah,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: the screens crack, that's not really part of it.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: We probably broke it.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: The fuck.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: You probably did something stupid.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: They make it, do they make it?
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: I probably throw it across the room in a fit
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: of rage because I had to boil water in the morning. Uh,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: but you know, it's it's it's it's it's a dire.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: You know when when when the Nemus Mark, when the
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: nem and Marcus gang thing was happening, where there's kids
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: were running into Neme of Marcus and stealing ship, which
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: again I don't think is an okay thing to do.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: But you know, like my mom I remember was being like,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: can you believe these kids are?
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: I go, Mom, they just told an entire generation of
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: kids they'll never own land, right, they're fucking hopeless.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: They're hopeless, Like what do you what? Where does your
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: head even go? Where did you get? I have a
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: in my act, I have a line. It's it's it's
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: not even a joke.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: I just go where the gen Z's and they clap
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: and I go, you'll never own land And it.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: Gets a huge laugh because it's so true. Is crazy,
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: and it's like it's fucked up.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: And then they hear that private equity companies are buying
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: up houses so they could lease them out and so
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: they'll own all the houses.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: What and the parking lots, Yeah, they're buying up all
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: the fucking parking lots.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: You can't park anywhere for free or for cheap. You know,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: it's fucking.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: Crazy, man, it's we we are living in a rent
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: to live culture anymore.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: Well, it's really just about it's again what we were
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: talking about about maximizing the amount of money you could
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: squeeze out of people. And that's their business and it
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like that, but it does have
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: to be like that. If you're public, it's all almost
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: like we're better off with a bunch of private corporations.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: And if you're private, you could do whatever you want,
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: like there's private court. Like, look, you could decide I'm
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: gonna do. You know, I'm gonna give X amount of
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: my profits to this, I'm gonna give the why to that.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do whatever I want because it's
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: my money. But as soon as you have shareholders, as
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: soon as you take that IPO money, oh baby, that's
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: a big windfall. Though you got all this money, all
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: the stock, all this capital has been invested in your business.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: Your business is gonna grow, and the business does grow,
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: so do your fucking problem.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, they've ruined. Shareholders have ruined. I'm not saying shareholders
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: inherently are evil, but the border directors and shareholders and
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: all that shit, they have ruined everything. They've ruined everything.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: It's like everybody.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: Goes, why the last three Star Wars movies suck?
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: Kathleen Kennedy came out and said, we were met with
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: demands by the shareholders to rush the fucking sequels out,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: and we couldn't make the movies we wanted to make.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: So that's that's imagine if they did the Jim Cameron
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: you can't do that fucking you can't brush that guy
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: imagine you've rushed Avatar. Fuck you, fuck you. That movie
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: takes that forever to make. That's why it's awesome. There's
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: certain things that you can't do just for money, and
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: healthcare should be one of them. It should be one
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, and I don't say this.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: To ball wash you in any way, but you just
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: said it ten minutes ago about the club.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: And for all the.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: Criticisms that people can level at you, whatever the fuck
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: they want to say whatever, it's like, hey man, here's
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: a guy I know that has a lot of money
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: that started something that helps other people in the industry
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: he works in, and said, I'm not worried about making money.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: I'm worried about breaking even and I want the people
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: that I'm working at my club to benefit.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: You actually did it. You actually did the thing that
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: we're complaining that other people don't do. You actually did
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: the thing where you said, I am not going to
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: try to turn massive profits off of this club. What
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to do is create an environment where
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: people can make what they deserve to make. That's fucking
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: pretty awesome and pretty crazy.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, anybody can do that that's successful already. Yeah,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: you could all you could all choose to run a
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: business that way, and a lot of people do. I'm
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: not unique in that way. There's a lot of like
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: really ethical, like moral happy people. Sure, and you make
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: a happier environment too. That's the other thing. Like the
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: environment of the club is very happy. Everybody gets paid
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: really well. Everybody's making money. The waitresses, waiters are all
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: making money. Everybody's happy. Yeah, that's beautiful. You go to
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: a place where people are happy to be there, that's
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: that's what you want. You don't want to go to
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: a place where you're making maximum profits and everybody is
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: in hell. And that's a lot of people that work
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: in corporations, right, You're you're working way more hours than
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: you should. You never see your kids, You're constantly fucking
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: stressed out. Your cortisol's through the roof. You're about to
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: have a fucking heart attack. But you bought a house
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: in the Hamptons. Yeah, look at that. I got a
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: fifteen million dollar house overlooking the bay. How about that?
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: You fucking win? I got the new Ferrari. You want
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: to see it? And meanwhile you're dying, right, But that's
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: that's the environment of just chasing money. I think you
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: can make plenty of money. I mean, obviously I'm in
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: an unusual situation, but I think most business owners that
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: do well. Once you're doing well, what is enough? Like,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: it's enough? Make it? Just make it better for everybody?
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: What's enough? What's enough money? What's enough? You know, if
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: you're running a corporation, is it really good to cut
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: back on the ingredients and fuck people over all? He
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: seeing this thing about powdered sugar. Some guy went to
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: a grocery store and he took all these bags of
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: two pound bags of powdered sugar and he weighed them.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: They're like one point three pounds, one point two pounds,
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: one point twenty seven. They're just fucking you. And you
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: telling me that's not on purpose. Your machines are so
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: off that it doesn't know what two pounds are. But
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: this is this mentality of just squeeze the most, squeeze
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: the most. I don't think you have to do that.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: I think if your business is successful, just it should
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: be like you're good, You're good, Let's keep it keep
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: the ball rolling, keep it good. Don't try to just
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: keep making the most money possible. Every quarter, And that's
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: what they do in corporations because they have to. If
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: you don't, you're a bad CEO. You'll get kicked out. Like, hey,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: good news, guys, we made the same amount of money
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: this month as we did last month.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: Like what, this guy sucks.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: This guy fucking sucks. Where's my return? You know, I'll
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: fucking we're gonna vote him out. And then you get
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: a board meeting together and people playing and you have
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: to do that. That's their job.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ideally, what should happen is you say, hey, guys,
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: we made more money this month than we did last month.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: But the reason we made more money is because we
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: made a better product that brought in even more customers
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: and it was benefit official to everybody, right, And it's
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: not that not.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: We squeezed the same amount of customers out of more money.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the fucking potato chip thing.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: Well is the other thing that you know, these avocado
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: oil scandal that's going on right now, So all these
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: people that are buying things made with avocado oil that
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: they think, oh, this is going to be super healthy,
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: turns out a lot of these corporations are fucking you
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: over and they're using seed oils and fucking sapphala oil
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: and rape seed oil, all these different oils and they're
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: pretending that it's yes coconut or it's avocado oil.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: I watched a thing about food where they talked about
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 3: By the way, what I meant by the potato chip
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: thing was when we were just talking about this in
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: the lobby before we started recording, when you buy a
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: bag of potato chips now and it's.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: Half full and it's all air, and of course the
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: excuse is, well, no, that's so protects your chips and
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: just get the fuck out of here.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: Bullh Yeah, don't crust the chips, you fucking idiot.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe pack the chips and shipped them properly. No, no,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: we can't do that.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: Have you ever had those vandy chips? Oh, they're chips
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: made with beef tallow they're just cooked in beef Tallo.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: Is just beef tallo and salt and potato chips. They
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: are the best potato chips you've ever eaten in your
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: fucking life.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: Where do you get them?
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: You can buy them online. I buy them online.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of these are so legit.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: Dude, If I want potato chips, Oh, they're so good
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: and you don't overeat them. It's crazy, Like when it's
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: real food, you eat enough, you know. Especially they're like
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: soaked in beef tallow, they're so rich and fat. Yeah,
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: it's actually probably good for you.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 3: Most of these quality food products that we want to
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: buy and enjoy, now you have to buy them online.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: You can't get them in fucking store.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: I can get them in some stories, but the problem
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: is they get bought out. You know. So say a
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: company comes along and you're making something that has like
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: really healthy ingredients and people really get into it, and
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: then Pepsi buys you exactly, some some fucking Kellogg's buys you,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: and they turn it into something that's just close enough.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: They changed the ingredients make it cheaper. Did did that
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: happen with Is it rouse r Ao's rasta sauces?
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Raos got bought by I think like whoever makes
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 3: ragou or whatever, Abisco or some shit.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: Raios made a great salt. Is it still legit or
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: is it they fuck with the ingredients?
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 4: No?
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: I never thought there was any jarred sauce that was awesome, Like,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: you know, they.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: Always have Steve Sharrippa's when he had his No, you
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: know Steve Sippa from the Sopranos. Do you know Steve?
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: Did you work for him? I worked for him when
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: he was the booker at the Riviera in Vegas. I
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: remember that before he got on the Sopranos, before he
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: ever did any acting. Yeah, I was friends with them
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: a long time ago. He's the best. I love that guy.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: He is the best. So he had an amazing sauce.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: It was uh, I forget the name of it, but
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: it was all or and it was, you know, like
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: really super top shelf ingredients. Okay, it was fucking delicious. Okay,
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: such a good sauce, but it was too much of
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: a pain in the ass for him to keep the
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: business rolling, and he got rid of it. I'm like, God, damn, dude,
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: that's that sucks. So I think he had a problem
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: keeping up with demand too, because it was like he
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: came on the podcast and talked about it and then
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: he eventually just bailed on the business.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: Man, it's one of the reasons I left my sandwich
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 3: shop was because I felt like operating in New York
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 3: was too hard of a thing and we had.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: To keep the four years, five years whatever that I
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: did it.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 3: We had to keep kind of upping prices and whatever.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't It was not out of greed. It
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 3: was out of there is no way that we stand
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: a chance to turn a profit unless you keep up
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 3: with what the demand and the economy of New York
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 3: City is. And I just got to a point where
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, man, it's just it's not
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: what I thought.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: It could be for you want to just be fun.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was it, and it was I wish
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 3: them well, but they're still going, but it was it
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: just for me.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just can't like this isn't you know?
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: So that what happens is with a lot of these.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 3: Companies that get bought up, it's this Steve Schirrippa thing
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: where it's like, hey man, I'd love to keep doing
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 3: this at the quality I'm doing it and at the
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: at the you know, the tick that which we're moving
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: at or whatever.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: And then somebody comes along like Pepsi and goes.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 3: We'll buy out for fifty million, and you probably go,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 3: you know what, my ship just came in. Take the
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: fucking I don't know, you know, I can't, you know,
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: so I don't blame people for selling to a big corporation.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: It's kind of the position you're left in. You know,
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 3: this mom and pop thing is going away.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: Uh you know with COVID put a big dent in that,
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: oh destroyed, destroyed it to destroyed it. In terms of
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: like small restaurants, I know, so many of them went
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: under in LA. I think at one point in time,
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: LA lost seventy percent of its restaurants.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: It's that it's the meat monopoly thing is brutal, you
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 3: know what, like what happened with prices of meats and
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: because they saw like.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, actually we can say that.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: There's a demand and low low product availability and all
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: this and just charge everybody this much.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: But there also is a demand and there also is
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: low product. I mean, there's also the reality of the marketplace.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: Well that what I think it is is there's the
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 3: reality of the problem and then and some people are
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: affected by that very genuinely. But then there's a lot
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: of people that go, there's a chance for us to
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: capitalize and squeeze, squeeze, and that sucks.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: That that sucks. Yep, that's the thing. And you know once
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: you escape the world of need and you're in a
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: world of decisions based on what you enjoy doing, then
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: you could choose to do a business where you do
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: it however you want to do it, and don't worry
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: about it, right, you know, because you're not doing it
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: for money, doing it because it's a cool thing, right
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: And ideally that's what we would all like to do. Ideally,
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: it's not. Obviously it's difficult to achieve, but if you
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: can get there, that's the way to do it. It's
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: just that everybody has this thing about chasing the fucking
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: whatever number it is, whether it's number in your bank
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: account or the address that you're living in or the
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: car that you're dropping. Everyone's always chasing the new thing.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: There is a new thing to justify why you're pumping
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: all of your energy into a business.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, it's it's the unfortunate other side of capitalism.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: This is why it's capitalism. Fucking great. It's way better
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: than everything else.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: Well, that's that I agree with, but we're just talking about.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got flaws, and the flaws are human nature.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: That's the flaws.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: Is there a way do you think is there a
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: way to have the free market with capitalism, but actually
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 3: have some sort of regulation so these problems that we're
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: talking about can occur.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: Or is it just you have to take the good
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: with the bad and that's all there.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: Is too I mean, there should be definitely be regulations,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: without a doubt, but I think too much regulations then
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: you stifle business. And that's what California has if over regulated,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: because the government is just too huge of a business there.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: I think at one point in time California during the pandemic,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: they lost a bunch of people, like a bunch of
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: people moved out, but they doubled the size of government.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: They just keep adding more government and more like that's
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: where they create jobs. They create jobs through government and
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: just keep adding programs and adding government, and then you
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: just keep siphoning off tax money and then it's a
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: slush fund and there's a whole economy based on it.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: And those people are the people that are in charge
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: of running the city, and they don't want to let
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: it go because that's how everybody's getting paid. And nothing's
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: getting done, and the fucking homeless crisis never gets any better,
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: and the streets never get clean schools never get fucking
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: funded correctly, but yet they keep growing. They're fucking business,
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: the business of being a fucking person in government.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I one of the things I learned when
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 3: I worked for the because when I lived here in
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 3: two thousand and I worked for the Senate during the
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: legislative session. It was the seventy sixth legislative session. I
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 3: think I was a media reporter for the for the
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 3: Senate Media Department. But one of the things I learned
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 3: was how low a senator's salary is versus what they
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: actually make in a year because of donations and whatever
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: the fuck else.
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 2: And I was like, of.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: Course, these people don't want to ever step down from
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 3: the seat. This is the fucking this is a this
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: is a fucking joy ride right now. And once you're
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: in that position, now you got a problem because now
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, who's actually in there to do something
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 3: versus who's in there to keep the job. And if
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: you want to keep the job keep the constituents happy, well,
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: how do you do that? Well, then you start compromising
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 3: things in cater and.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 1: You learn how to be a good bullshit artist. Oh yeah,
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: you learn how to say the things they want you
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: to say, that's why people support ridiculous positions, because they
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: fucking lick their finger and find out which way the
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: wind's blowing. And that's the way my constituents want. So
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: that's how I feel. You know, I think God's non binary,
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: like whatever. They just start talking, they start saying things.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: They're like, why are you saying this? This makes no sense.
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: They're saying it because they think it's going to help
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: them and get them to win. Kooky stuff. Man, Yeah, man,
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: And nobody wants the job. That's the other thing. When nobody,
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 1: no really successful person who would really be good at it,
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: wants the job. It's too much work. It's a hassle.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: You're also dealing with insane corruption. Once you get in there,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 1: try untangling all the fucking webs that have been spun
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: for decades where they've been moving money to this and
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: moving money to that, and you gotta pay a little
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: of this, and you gotta pay a little of that. Yeah.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: Did you ever see Charlie Wilson's War Tom Hanks movie.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 3: No, it's great, you'd love it. Mike Nichols directed it.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 3: Tom Hanks in a film Olp zumer Hoffman. It's my
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 3: favorite Philip sumer Hoffman really performance.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: Ever.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fucking awesome movie, but it's.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 3: About how when we were sending arms and funding the Afghanis,
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: when Russia was attacking Afghanistan, and he's in there to
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 3: do a good thing. He's like, these people are getting
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: fucking taken over. The Russians are coming in.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 3: And he does all this good thing, He gets all
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 3: this funding to them, he helps them. The Afghani starts
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: shooting the Russian copters out of the fucking air and
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: all this shit, and he's like, this is great. And
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, the powers that be are like,
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: we're cutting the funding and he's like, what are you
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: talking about. We just helped these people liberate themselves. We
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 3: can't cut the funding. Now we have to rebuild. And
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, we're not rebuilding. That's we're not spending
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: any more money in this. And the end of the
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: movie is Phillips sure Hoffen telling Tom Hanks that he
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't say the name, but he says, the fucking loonies
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: are in the henhouse.
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  Speaker 2: He's talking about ben Laden is now take over Afghanistan,
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 2: and this is going to go real fucking sideways on us,
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: And it's just such a great encapsulation of that's how
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: it works. That's how it works.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 3: You do a good thing and then all of a
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: sudden it creates an even bigger fucking problem than they've
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: ever anticipated because of funding.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: It's you also, why were they doing in the first place,
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: Why the fuck are they funding the Mujahadeen? And that's
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: how bin Laden turned against us, right, That's what it
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: was all about. He realized how dirty our fucking politics
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: are and what we're doing when doing regime change in
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: other countries and proxy wars and all the insane shit
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: that we've been involved with forever.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: It's fucked up. The way it's portrayed, the way it's
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: portrayed in the movie is the Russians are attacking these people.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: It's going to be this genocide. It's blah blah, blah blah.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: That's how it's friend of the movie. In real life,
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: you know, I know, there's always multiple sides.
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  Speaker 1: Both sides. I mean, there's probably a lot to that too.
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  Speaker 3: But it's it's just one of those things where I
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 3: brought up up because you said, who would ever.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: Want this job?
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 3: And I watched that movie and thought that I was like,
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 3: who would want the fucking job of this guy that
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 3: he thinks he's doing the right thing and then it
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: just blows up in their face.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: Just hope that good people come along and want the job.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: That's a job, But for the most part, they're swimming
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: in a sea of psychos.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 3: Well, the question is is if a good person does
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 3: come along, can they stay can they stay pure? Or
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 3: is the system just built in a way where it's like, now,
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 3: there's no way to do this, you know.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: It's I always equated to the Hollywood thing.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like, in my opinion, there's no way
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: to become or it's a very hard thing to become
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: a massive movie star and maintain your morality and.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: Your ethics and whatever. You're you're playing in a system
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: that is so fucking foul and so dirty and whatever.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: That's why we're like, it's so rare to meet a
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 3: Woody Harrelson or something like that who's a genuine person.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 3: And nine out of ten of those guys, they don't
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: fucking live there. They're out, they go somewhere else and
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 3: they dip in, they do it. They get the fuck
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 3: out again. So I always wonder like, is there we
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 3: always say like if only a decent man would come
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 3: along and lead us, or take this seat in this office.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: Or what is it possible to even remain pure at
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: that point? I don't know?
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 3: Or is it just hey, this is how it works.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 3: This is all there is to it, and you either
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 3: play this game or you will be phased out and
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 3: that's it, you know.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: Well, the Hollywood game is interesting because you have to
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: have the same political opinions of them. Yeah, if you
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: don't have any variation whatsoever. If you're like, hey, maybe
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't take this weird experimental vaccine, you're cast out
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: of the kingdom. Like you have to be full compliance,
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: full compliance to whatever ideology that they have because they're
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 1: completely in control. They get to choose whether or not
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: you work. The beautiful thing about comedy and music is
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 1: another version of that, but less so I think is
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: that you just make what you make and if people
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: like it, they come see you. Real simple, real simple.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: You get a chance. Everybody gets a chance. Everybody get
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: a chance to open mic knights. Everybody gets a chance.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: If someone says, hey, Joe, you're really funny, you want
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: to open for me on the road. Also, oh my god,
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: I'm on the road. Everybody gets a chance. And the
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: thing about the movie business is it's not that way.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 1: Like you could be a really talented actor and you
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: never get cast in something. You know, maybe they don't
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: align with the way you think. Maybe you didn't kiss
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: their ass enough when you went in for the audition,
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: maybe you don't have a good agent. Whatever it is, right,
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 1: you might not ever work.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great Oh what is it called. It's
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: the documentary. I think it's just called Frank.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 3: It's the documentary re at Frank Stallone, Sylvester Stallone's brother. Oh,
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: and Frank Stallone is an immensely talented guy, and he
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 3: sort of got reduced to he does stuff, he works
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 3: and he seems like a happy guy.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: But there was a big part of Frank Stallone where
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: he kind of got reduced to the punchline of like
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: slas brother.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Well, I was Charlie Murphio just saying that
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: about Eddie.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 3: They talk in the documentary about Frank Stalone, they go
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: everybody's like, how did this guy not become bigger?
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 2: He's so fucking talented. He was a musician, he's a
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: great actor, he's this, and they say in the middle,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: they go, dude, it doesn't just happen. You have to
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: have a team of people operating around you that make
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: it fucking happen. It's not just dumb luck. It's not
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: just oh he's good.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 3: If you don't have the people strategically, let's put it
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 3: that buying you through the system, right, it doesn't fucking happen.
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 3: It's like, look at when people get nominated. That the
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 3: process of getting nominated for an Emmy. It's like, you
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 3: get the consideration vote, and then I would see it
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 3: when I was living in LA and then people would
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 3: do these pr campaigns just based on the consideration.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those billboards for your consideration. Yeah, you'd see
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: them everywhere.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 2: Then you get nominated, and then that's a whole other thing.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: That's why I thought it was such bullshit when and.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 3: I'm a big fan, I'm not knocking the guy, but
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 3: like when the whole thing happened with like brend The
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 3: year that Brendan Fraser won for the Whale was the
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 3: same year the kid that played short round one for
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 3: everything everywhere all at once.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that year at the.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 3: Oscars and they both it was like, it's the year
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 3: of the comebacks at the Oscars and they're up there going.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: I thought I was done, and here I am.
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: It's like you fucking had a campig like this costs
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars to get you here. This is not
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: some underdog story. This is this was this was orchestrated.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: That's how it works. It's crazy. It's crazy. Nobody's oh yeah,
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: I was driving a cab then all of a sudden
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: I got nominated. I won. That's how it fucking works.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: That's bad shit.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a bat shit business.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's the worst and best business of all time.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: It's the best that it gets us to get to
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: do what we want to do.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't stand up. We're better now. It's like
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 1: stand up in podcasts is such an easier pathway. Yeah
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: than that. That was the old pathway. You had to
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: be a part of that.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 3: I was talking to Tony about it after MSG We're
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 3: at the after party, and he you know, Tony, I
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 3: love this is one of the things I love about
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: He gets you have a few drinks and it's a
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 3: real love fest.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: But he's like, buddy, we're doing it, man, we're doing it.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: They told us no, and we're fucking doing it.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: And I go, Tony, here's what's wild. I go, the
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 3: mainstream of entertainment could become the for lack of a
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 3: better term, wokeust whatever, that whole thing could come back
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 3: of PC culture and whatever, and they could tell any
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 3: one of us or all of us, you guys are out,
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 3: there's no way you're going to get anything on streamers
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 3: or anything anymore. And we'd all still be fine because
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 3: we all said we found another lane, so fuck it.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: It's a bigger lane too, way bigger. It's way bigger,
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: way bigger. Yeah. Because it's authentic. Yeah, it's real and
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: it's not curated.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's real.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: It's simple people, that's what people want.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: If Hollywood could send a missile to destroy YouTube, they would.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, it's come up with some of the fucking greatest talents,
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: like that guy who made Obsession came straight out of YouTube. Yeah, dude,
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 1: I gotta wrap this up.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, you're special speaking of it.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim Rosa, I never promise you a Rose Garden
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 1: available right now on Netflix.
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: On Netflix Film. We shot this in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania. It
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: was on my YouTube. Netflix scooped it up.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 3: It's still on my YouTube, but please go watch it
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 3: on Netflix and and I hope you all enjoy it.
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 3: And then and then my my podcast Violin Horrendous is
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 3: now out y m H network and at Joe DeRosa Comedy.
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: On YouTube is where you can find it. So please listen.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: And I hope you watch the special and enjoy it.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, my pressure brother. I love you,
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: I love you.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: Bye bye, everybody,