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Football Season Means the Group Text Is Back · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: Out of the gates on Sport and State. Glad you're
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  Speaker 1: with us this morning. The Monday edition of Hutton and Withrow. Chad,
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: good to be back with you, man. We are presented
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  Speaker 1: by Hard Rock Bet and it is week two at sportandstate.com.
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  Speaker 2: Hutton, it feels good to be here in week two.
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  Speaker 2: Stepped outside at 545 this morning and it feels a
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  Speaker 2: little bit like football season. Not going to lie. Got
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  Speaker 2: a little bit excited. Got a little bit tingly in
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  Speaker 2: the special area. When I walked outside, it felt a
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  Speaker 2: 60-degree warning. It was an amazing feeling this morning, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited and ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Down in the plums?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Ashley Schaefer would have agreed with the feeling
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  Speaker 2: this morning, as it's almost time to bang some hats.
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  Speaker 1: Or down in the balls, shall we say. The Nashville balls. XXXY.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: We've got plenty to come. Last night... I know our
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  Speaker 1: guy Mark, who's helping us with the show today, he
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: was out late. I was at the Titans game as well.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Had late TV last night. Plenty to discuss with what
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  Speaker 1: we saw on Sunday night in primetime, the Titans' only
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  Speaker 1: primetime matchup of the 2026 NFL season. Deshaun Watson, primetime,
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  Speaker 1: not for him whenever it comes to fan bases. If
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  Speaker 1: he thinks the Browns fans are booing him, I want
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  Speaker 1: to know what's fan bases not going to boo him
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  Speaker 1: with the With any team he plays for. A lot
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  Speaker 1: to discuss there. Plus Todd Munkin on Lane Kiffin and much,
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  Speaker 1: much more. But Chad, we start with the W. The WNBA.
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  Speaker 1: And a pro-trans message from Natasha Cloud to Enos Cantor.
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  Speaker 1: Enos Cantor, who is baseline as they take on the
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  Speaker 1: Indiana Fever and the Chicago Sky. Well, they're not happy
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  Speaker 1: about their future WNBA teammate?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, first off, Caitlin Clark went silly in that game.
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  Speaker 2: Huge night for her. So congrats to her doing that
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  Speaker 2: in front of the future number one overall pick in
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  Speaker 2: the WNBA draft and Enos Freedom Cantor, who was courtside.
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  Speaker 2: So really send a message to Freedom Cantor. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: if you were in the link this morning or you're
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  Speaker 2: in the chat on YouTube, I'm going to be in
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  Speaker 2: there throughout the day. I've actually got a special offer
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  Speaker 2: for someone who's that I'm only going to reveal in
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  Speaker 2: the chat this morning, a giveaway. That's from me to
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  Speaker 2: someone who was with us in the chat this morning. Yeah, Hutton,
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  Speaker 2: it's a crazy story. Enos Freedom Cantor was apparently cheering
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  Speaker 2: a Sophie Cunningham three, and Natasha Cloud for the Chicago
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  Speaker 2: Sky took offense to that. He had a shirt on
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  Speaker 2: that just said woman, and I think a definition underneath
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  Speaker 2: it was what triggered, well, we know what.
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  Speaker 1: Triggered Natasha Cloud. The definition was me.
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  Speaker 2: It's everything.
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  Speaker 1: I identify as.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And then so Natasha Cloud runs over to the
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  Speaker 2: baseline and gets in the face of Enos Cantor. And
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  Speaker 2: according to Enos Cantor said, she's not going to sleep
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  Speaker 2: with you, bro, about Sophie Cunningham when he was cheering
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  Speaker 2: her three. And then Cantor stood up and words were exchanged.
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  Speaker 2: And it was Enos Freedom Cantor being ejected from the arena.
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  Speaker 1: She's not going to sleep with you, bro, because she's
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  Speaker 1: sleeping with me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that normally would be what would be said.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that could be said about Sophie Cunningham.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think that could be a taunt from
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  Speaker 2: many WNBA players. Like, sorry, man, she's going home with me.
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  Speaker 1: She's leaving with me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, this is just another example of the absurdity
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  Speaker 2: of what's going on in the WNBA. First off, if
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  Speaker 2: this happens in a serious league and a player goes
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  Speaker 2: into the crowd to go after a fan in that
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  Speaker 2: way and leaves the court... leaves the playing surface to
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  Speaker 2: do it because a fan stood up and cheered and
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  Speaker 2: wasn't doing anything to disrupt the game, then that player
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  Speaker 2: is going to be disciplined in some way. Suspended, fined, something.
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  Speaker 2: Natasha Cloud's not going to be– nothing's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: to her. I mean, the coach is saying we completely
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  Speaker 2: have her back. She stands for those who can't defend themselves,
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  Speaker 2: and we stand for– Tosh– They said Tosh stands for
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  Speaker 2: this and we stand for her. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 2: just your typical good versus evil. We're right. You're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: We're accepting. You're hateful. And we hate you for that reason.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're going to come to our game, then
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  Speaker 2: we could do anything we want to you because we're
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  Speaker 2: the cool kid club and we're all about accepting transgender
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  Speaker 2: kids and everything else. And you're hateful and you're trash
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  Speaker 2: and you're this. So we're going to treat you any
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  Speaker 2: way we want. We're not going to have a discussion.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get in your face and taunt you
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  Speaker 2: about not being able to sleep with Sophie Cunningham, and
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be the one who gets escorted out
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  Speaker 2: of the arena and not me. Again, Hunt, and I
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  Speaker 2: just think another example of an unserious league with the WNBA.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good for Enos Cantor, who was able to get
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  Speaker 1: escorted out of the game. I mean, he came and
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  Speaker 1: he conquered, or they came and they conquered, I should say,
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  Speaker 1: because he is the future number one pick of the
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  Speaker 1: WNBA draft once he identifies as a woman. officially, and
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  Speaker 1: goes number one overall in the WNBA draft. Because right now,
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  Speaker 1: Natasha Cloud's going to be having to pick up basketball
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  Speaker 1: against them next year.
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  Speaker 2: Hutton, we're going to talk about the Titans in that
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  Speaker 2: game in primetime last night on Fox. Big primetime Sunday night.
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  Speaker 1: Longest first half of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Primetime Sunday night NFL preseason game. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: was the worst broadcast. That game on Fox or the
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  Speaker 2: NBC WNBA game. You'll have to tell me on that.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. That was on NBC. That was
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  Speaker 2: on NBC last night. I'm not saying the Fox broadcast
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  Speaker 2: was bad. I'm saying trying to make.
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  Speaker 1: That a big event. I'm saying, or the NBC game.
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  Speaker 1: You'll have to tell me how that broadcast was. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not tuned into the WNBA. I watch the highlights on social,
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  Speaker 1: and that's it. I watched five minutes of the game.
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  Speaker 1: But what I really saw was highlights also. But when
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  Speaker 1: Natasha Cloud went into the crowd, some woman who sounded
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  Speaker 1: like Doris Burke, but I don't think is Doris Burke,
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  Speaker 1: said something like, Natasha Cloud will have her voice heard.
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  Speaker 2: She wants her voice to be heard. And I'm thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 2: she is good. This would be like someone, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: people are really angry with the middle school fight at us.
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  Speaker 2: And I love it. Keep the comments coming. How do
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  Speaker 2: you guys think this is funny? She attacked a child,
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  Speaker 2: this and that. I went back and broke down the tape,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, channel five Hutton, which you were on
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  Speaker 2: last night. has an interview with the woman who attacked
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  Speaker 2: the kid, and they went back and showed the video,
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  Speaker 2: and the kid that she went after had her little
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  Speaker 2: brother on the ground, was choking him in a fight
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  Speaker 2: right before that, and that's why she snapped.
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  Speaker 1: Well, beyond that, he was doing multiple things throughout the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I don't excuse it.
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  Speaker 1: The one argument I do make on that fight is
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  Speaker 1: if roles were reversed, we're not sitting there making fun
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  Speaker 1: of that. If the boy went out there. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely not. To a girl, you're saying?
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  Speaker 1: Correct. Or to a younger man.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that she's 16 is... 16 with a 13
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  Speaker 2: or 14-year-old, right? She's bigger.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying if a 16-year-old kid went out there at
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  Speaker 1: a middle school game, we wouldn't be reacting the same
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  Speaker 1: way either.
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  Speaker 3: A boy.
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  Speaker 2: A boy after a girl.
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  Speaker 1: Or a boy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course not. But I'll also say..
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  Speaker 1: That's the one argument. I was like, yeah, you're probably right.
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  Speaker 1: But this, I mean, sorry, but that's not how the
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  Speaker 1: circumstances were.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think with a lot of people in our comments,
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  Speaker 2: it's a white-black thing, too. When you look at it,
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  Speaker 2: it's what's happening. Look, I'm not excusing anybody running on
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  Speaker 2: a field to attack somebody. Like, the funny part is
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  Speaker 2: that she actually blocked the kid afterward back to the ground.
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  Speaker 2: But there was a reason that she did it. There
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  Speaker 2: was no reason for Natasha Clow to go after Enos
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  Speaker 2: Cantor freedom last night. I'm sorry. He's sitting courtside in
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  Speaker 2: a t-shirt that you don't like. To do that is
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  Speaker 2: just second rate and it shows an unserious organization.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be honest here though, Chad. Enos Cantor got exactly
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  Speaker 1: what he wanted. He wanted Natasha Clow to go at him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's sitting there silent.
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  Speaker 3: Well, again..
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that stand to benefit from
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  Speaker 2: a culture war in WNBA.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: The WNBA included.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're not talking about WNBA if this isn't a story. No,
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  Speaker 2: hell no. Caitlin Clark's 38 points in record-breaking performance is
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  Speaker 2: not what we're leading the show with.
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  Speaker 1: That's a Sunday night.
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  Speaker 2: If not for Enos Cantor Freedom getting kicked out. They're
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  Speaker 2: not on NBC on Sunday night. No. If not for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this. No.
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  Speaker 1: And, yeah, look. It's still, it's the, it is the
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark show. It's the Sophie Cunningham show too, by
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  Speaker 1: the way. And what did, you said Natasha Cloud was
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  Speaker 1: saying that she was giving a voice to the voiceless?
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  Speaker 2: No, it was the, the announcer was saying, oh, here's
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  Speaker 2: Natasha Cloud. They're showing the replay. She's going to have
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  Speaker 2: her voice heard.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but the quote from Natasha Cloud said basically the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, the quote from Natasha Cloud said, To
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  Speaker 1: every trans kid person, you are a part of my
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  Speaker 1: community and tribe. You belong. You're loved. You're seen. You're
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  Speaker 1: perfect as you are, and you will always be protected
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  Speaker 1: by me. What about your WNBA teammate? Will Sophie Cunningham
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  Speaker 1: not be heard? What about those who don't want this
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  Speaker 1: to happen in their league, who are not about a
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  Speaker 1: man taking over a woman's sport on the roster or
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  Speaker 1: spot on the roster? Will their voices be heard? Sounds
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  Speaker 1: like they won't. They've been silenced. We've seen that in
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  Speaker 1: press conferences. The media's been silenced. You can't ask certain questions.
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  Speaker 1: If you do, you're not allowed to ask those questions
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  Speaker 1: at the press conference. You're not credentialed by the league. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not every voice is heard in the WNBA.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're seen, well, you're escorted out of the building. Although,
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  Speaker 1: I did see the standoff where Cantor does his eight-foot
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  Speaker 1: wing And I'm thinking, yeah, that's what you get looked
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  Speaker 1: forward to. That's a lady-on-lady crime right there, one getting
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  Speaker 1: escorted out.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: This is what you're going to get when you face
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  Speaker 2: that team of eighth graders that Clay's assembling, that powerhouse
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  Speaker 2: team that he had the highlight video of when you
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  Speaker 2: go head-to-head with them.
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  Speaker 1: That is the number one overall pick.
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  Speaker 2: Just like Natasha Cloud wants to run at Cantor and say,
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  Speaker 2: Sophie Cunningham is not going to sleep with you, dude,
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  Speaker 2: and go after him. I would fire the same back
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  Speaker 2: to Natasha Cloud. Transgender people aren't going to suddenly be
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  Speaker 2: huge WNBA fans because you stand up there and act
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  Speaker 2: like you are their white knight protecting all of their
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  Speaker 2: rights and everything else. You're doing the same thing. Enos
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  Speaker 2: Cantor is doing one thing, and he's appealing to a
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  Speaker 2: segment of the population that and he's doing it well
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  Speaker 2: because he's getting a lot of attention doing it, you
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  Speaker 2: are just coming back and saying, well, you're here, I'm here,
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  Speaker 2: I'm defending the defenseless, and I'm going to sit here
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  Speaker 2: and fight for what I know is right. They're not
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  Speaker 2: going to suddenly buy season tickets to go watch Chicago
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  Speaker 2: Sky games. This league is a failing proposition based on
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  Speaker 2: the merits of the basketball. And that's what's unfortunate for
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  Speaker 2: the WNBA. They cannot gain traction even with Kaitlyn Clark.
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  Speaker 2: They're getting eyeballs, but all the eyeballs, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: them are surrounding Sophie Cunningham and Kaitlyn Clark, and Kaitlyn
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  Speaker 2: Clark doesn't say enough against the right, and Sophie Cunningham
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  Speaker 2: has a line with the right, so now we're going
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  Speaker 2: to attack her, and now dudes are saying they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be eligible for the WNBA draft, and all the
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  Speaker 2: WNBA has to say is, here's the definition of a woman,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to be a woman to play in
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  Speaker 2: the W.
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  Speaker 1: The W.
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  Speaker 2: Will not define what a woman is and what it
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  Speaker 2: means to be eligible for their WNBA draft. If they
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  Speaker 2: just came out and did that, it would silence a
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  Speaker 2: lot of this. Then we'd go back to seeing if
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  Speaker 2: the league could survive on its own based on the
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  Speaker 2: basketball merits, and I don't know that it could.
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  Speaker 1: We would go back to Caitlin Clark being hounded for
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  Speaker 1: retweeting or liking or following Taylor Swift, who endorsed the left.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we'd go back to. This league will never
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  Speaker 1: be about the basketball. No. It never will. It has
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  Speaker 1: no shot because, uh, again, like it's on national, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's about Caitlin Clark. It's not about the, the sport itself.
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  Speaker 1: The sport's not on, uh, the national spotlight. It's the individual.
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  Speaker 1: And then no, there's no other individuals that want to, uh,
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  Speaker 1: jump on board the gravy train. That is Caitlin Clark.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, they, they hate her. They hate us because
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  Speaker 1: the anus.
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  Speaker 2: And, uh, Natasha Cloud hates Enos Cantor because he ain't them.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't her.
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  Speaker 1: He ain't they.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't whatever you want to say it is. He
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  Speaker 2: definitely isn't any of those things.
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  Speaker 1: He's been a part of the LGBTQWNBA. Yes.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: The alphabet soup game is back.
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  Speaker 1: How was your weekend, man?
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  Speaker 2: It was good. I had a birthday party for my
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: now seven-year-old. I got to smoke some fine meats at
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  Speaker 2: the house. There you go. I call it sausage burnt
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: ends is the recipe. but did that and then smoked
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: some burgers and had some people over, some family. So
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: it was a nice weekend. I'm just so excited. We
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: got to call high school football on Friday night, which
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  Speaker 2: was a great return to that sport for us.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be at another game this Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Night, but it now feels like we have set the
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  Speaker 2: wheels in motion to football season. Week zero games will
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  Speaker 2: be played this upcoming weekend in college football. So that
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  Speaker 2: time has arrived. The big weekend of college football is
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  Speaker 2: the following week. We're two weeks away, three weeks away.
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  Speaker 2: From the start of the NFL season, I, Hutton, and Pump,
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  Speaker 2: we got plenty of football coming your way on the
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  Speaker 2: show today.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I am seeing a fundraiser on Saturday night, and
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  Speaker 1: it was cool to see how many people came up
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: and just said something about Sporting State. Words out, man.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Words out. I was like, yeah, Clay was pumped whenever
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: we had 30,000 ex-followers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, man, we're just getting started here.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a great, great start, and week two is underway.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Every day is the Super Bowl with our likes to say.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with them on that. We got that going.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing, by the way, Hutton, the lack of hit
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  Speaker 2: pieces that are out there about the brand. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a really– I say that as a positive because
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  Speaker 2: I do think that we have– Clay especially has built
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  Speaker 2: up a level of credibility with what he's done. I
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: know he referenced Shannon Terry, our buddy too, who's created
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: multiple media brands. Clay is attempting now to build his
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: second brand. to join that multiple media brand mogul club
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: with Shannon Terry. And Clay said a lot of nice
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: things about Shannon as well. And Shannon's done a great
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  Speaker 2: job with On3. But the coverage of it has been
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: done in a fair way that I don't know would
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: have been the case three or four years ago.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Like, I think that we've come a long way with that.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. No doubt. Looking forward to that. And Chad,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: you said you have a special gift, an offer, a
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: special offer in the chat today at our YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 1: which is at Hutton & Withrow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to go ahead and post, and we're
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: going to post from Hutton & Withrow also. Keep posting
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  Speaker 2: the link to the YouTube show live. First off, we
• 15:12
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• 15:14
  Speaker 2: some guy come at me this week, and he said,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: why are you not on podcast? And I said, well,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: the goal is we're going to build up the YouTube page.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have some, you know, let people watch
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  Speaker 2: eventually we'll go to the podcast. And this guy's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a terrible business model. I'm in my car. I'm
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  Speaker 2: to watch you at that time of day?
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  Speaker 3: Yada, yada, yada.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, dude, we're going to, fair point. We're going
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• 15:43
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  Speaker 2: from work later in the day. So we will be
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  Speaker 2: with that this week. I'm very excited for that. And Hutton,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to reveal it just yet. We're letting
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• 16:23
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• 16:27
  Speaker 1: saw last night from Cam Ward.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Good Lord.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Coming up, Deshaun Watson. And, well, he's at odds with
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns fans. How does Cleveland, how does that franchise
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: move forward with Deshaun Watson playing quarterback again? We'll discuss that.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: But speaking of quarterback, Cam Ward and the Titans offense.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: They wanted to look a lot better than they did
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: in their first preseason outing. And, well, Chad, they went
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: down and they got a field goal on their opening possession.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: They had a nine-play drive. And I said last night,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: locally here in Nashville on Channel 5, I said, man,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: it looks a lot like last season's offense where the offense,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: they would always start fast. They'd go get points in
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: some way, shape, form, or fashion. And then just, you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: tail off and go a lot of three and outs.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: They'd fumble the football. And while they didn't lose the fumble,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Ken Moore did fumble again. There's nothing that seems to be, uh,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: in sync with this group. And while they can run
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the football, uh, that's really all you gotta do. Stop
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the Titans run and you stop the Titans and the defense,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the defense sucks.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's good about this team. Maybe other
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: than the kicker at this point. Um, Very disheartening watching
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: this game last night. It's a preseason game. You can't overreact.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I'm overreacting.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm overreacting.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I'm reacting appropriately because this is an opportunity for the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Titans to hammer somebody early because it's your starters versus backups.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And instead, I'm posing the question midway through the first half,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: should we trade for Drew Locke if you're a Titans fan?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, Drew Locke looks light years better than Cam
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Ward as the backup quarterback for the Seahawks. He looked terrible.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And he looks like a guy who doesn't learn from
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: a single mistake. I mean, carrying the ball that loosely
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: and getting it knocked out of bounds the way he
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: was running it, it goes back to that first scramble
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: of the year where I'm like, why is he not
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: running hard? Why is he doing this foolish stuff where
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: he runs around? I'm watching SportsCenter this morning, and they're
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: showing the highlight of him, incomplete pass. to Gunnar Helm
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: where he's going to the sideline. And Titans fans are
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: coming back defending it and saying, well, what you're going
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to get is that play where he casually runs the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: ball like with a loaf of bread and gets it
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: knocked out. But you're also going to get that play later.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to do away with the incomplete passes, you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: down the field for 18 or 20 yards on those plays.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: For this dude to understand the playbook, To understand the formations,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: to understand what's in front of him, to not freak
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: out too early when there's not a lot of pressure there,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to not hold the ball too long when there is
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: legitimate pressure there and try to make something happen when
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: nothing is there, to not try to force it. I
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: just want him to be an okay NFL quarterback right now.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And he is far from that. He is one of
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the worst starting quarterbacks in the NFL. And Hutton, I
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: don't see any reason for hope right now from what
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Cam Ward has shown. And I don't know how he's
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: going to turn around in preseason game number three. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: don't know if a light's going to come on when
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: they play the New York Jets in the regular season.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: But to reiterate what you just said, it looks a
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: lot like the same offense from a year ago, even
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: though they went out and hired Brian Dayball, who is
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a competent and good offensive coordinator in this league.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of the offense is what
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Callahan was sold on doing. You know, this quote-unquote new age,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: short passing game, get some rhythm established. And he hit
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: some short passes last night. Cam Ward did. But again,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: this is not an offense that looks like the Seattle Seahawks,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: where for the second consecutive week, they're playing backups. They're
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: playing the second string defense. of the San Francisco 49ers
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and the Seattle Seahawks, two playoff teams from a year ago.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: They're talking about the world champions coming into town. It
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: was one versus ones in the joint practice. And then
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the second string, led by Drew Locke, who starts 11
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: for 11, much like the quarterback a week ago against
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: his Titans defense. Look, man, I think Cam is competent.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I think Cam knows the formations and different things. I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: think he's a bit gun-shy with an offensive line from
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: last year. It's a new-look offensive line, but it's a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: brand-new center, rookie right guard, and question marks at tackle.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: They have to prove themselves when it comes to pass protection.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: That will eventually happen in the regular season. But Chad,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: this is an offense that if they're going to have
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: success early in the season, it's not going to be
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: through Cam Ward. It's going to be through the run game.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Their first four opponents... The Jets, the Eagles, the Giants,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and the Ravens. Those four teams struggled to stop the run,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: especially the Jets and the Giants. They really struggled to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: stop the run. Bottom of the league in terms of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: run defense. Eagles, bottom third in run defense. If they're
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: going to have success early on, they're going to run
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the football behind this offensive line and some running backs
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that can actually move the sticks. Tony Pollard can be
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: just fine. He's a pro. And this is an offensive
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: line that can actually, I think, move the line of
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: scrimmage a bit with how they tend to be some
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: road graders up front. Every offensive line runs running the ball.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: They're going to have to do that. A lot more
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: than they did a year ago. Last September, for whatever reason,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Callahan just didn't want to rely on the run. He
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: wanted to rely on Cam Ward. Dable's going to run
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the ball early this season. And that's where the defense
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: comes in. This defense, especially on the back end of
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the defense, the pass rush isn't there. This is the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: number one defense going against backups. this year, this past week.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And it's Jeffrey Simmons and then everybody else. Jeffrey Simmons,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: talking about BTA, belts to asses, in the joint practice,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: he's mic'd up. Jeffrey Simmons can hold his own. Jeffrey
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Simmons can back up the talk. Not one player, Chad,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: not one player last night started that game with the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: same ferocity, with the same mindset that Jeffrey Simmons had
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in the joint practice. Simmons can bring it. But you
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: have the starters from the Seattle Seahawks on the sideline
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that Simmons fired up. And by the way, Simmons knows
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: he's going to fire them up. But he's hoping to
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: fire up his own team. And he's got the Seattle
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Seahawks starters coming off the bench taking penalties after they're
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: just routing the starting defense of the Tennessee Titans up 16-3.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Like it's nobody's business to start that game. That's concerning too.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It goes beyond just Cam Ward.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: It goes well beyond just Cam Ward. I'm with you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And the second string part of this is what really
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: is infuriating to me. And also all the excuses about
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the offensive line, who was bad a year ago, but
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: with what they're investing in that offensive line with Peter Skowronski,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: with JC Latham and where he was selected. I mean,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: go up and down that line. This is not some
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: bargain basement, cheap offensive line. They're trying to get by
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: with six round picks across the board. They have invested heavily.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and spent money. They get a fourth and less than
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a yard in this game, and they can't get it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: What the hell? What the hell is wrong with you
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: that you're getting dominated by second stringers for the Seattle Seahawks?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: To me, that screams for a lack of culture on
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that offensive line, a lack of toughness, a lack of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: common sense and personnel also, because TyJ Spears should not
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: be running the ball in that one. I'm giving it
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to Tony Pollard, who I feel a lot better about
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: picking up a yard In that situation, if faced with
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the same. Now, he didn't have much of a chance.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And I think Pollard would have been in the game
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: for that probably, or Singleton. But Pollard's night was done
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: at that point.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I need somebody else in the game there. And again,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: if you're going to play starters this long for the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Titans and you're Robert Sala, which is a decision I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: completely agree with. If you're him, they haven't proven enough yet.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: They need the reps. They need to be out there
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: proving themselves. But if you're going to take that approach,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: then you've got to go get a yard. On a
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: fourth down situation against backups, you've got to show something.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And just coming back after every game talking about how
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: missed opportunities and a mistake here or there and this
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: and that. And the other thing we haven't even gotten
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to yet really is the secondary for the Titans, which
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I thought was really bad again last night for a
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: second straight game with what they invested.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And Robert Sala this past week, Chad, called a team meeting.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: A team meeting. Everybody's in the room. 15-minute meeting, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he did nothing but talk about man coverage. Man coverage.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: He called out the cornerbacks. Called out the secondary. Because
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: he wanted to stress and hold everyone accountable to hold
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the secondary accountable. Elante Taylor said as much. He's like, yeah, man.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: We had to sit there. I'm sure it was boring
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: for everybody else. They were pissed off they had to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: sit through this meeting. But now they're going to hold
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: us accountable for having to do that. There's some embarrassment
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: factor with that. And Salah hasn't hidden the fact that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: he's like, we've got to be better than that, than
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: what they saw in San Francisco. Got to be a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: ton better. And look, you're going to give up your
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: fair share of plays if you're on an island in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the NFL. The rules are stacked against you. It's the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: hardest position to play is corner because you're one-on-one and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the rules are stacked to where you're supposed to lose. Right?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like you're not going to win. It's not 50-50. It's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: not a fair fight. But these guys out of position,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: wide open, running wide open down the field. There's some busts.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I think Salah is okay. Not okay. He doesn't want
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: it to happen. But Kevin Winston Jr. gets out of
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: position on the first touchdown of the game last night,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: for those that were watching. Salah's okay with that because
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: now he gets to correct it. But if that happens
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: in a regular season game, yeah, now it's on the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: coaches to correct it. Now it's the defense that needs
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to correct this, not the other way around.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Who are we relying on, Hutton? If you're a Titans
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: fan out there and you're looking at this team, outside
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of Jeffrey Simmons, who's made of the right stuff? I
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: think of all the great Titans teams in the past,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and you could go to 10 to 15 guys and say, boy,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: may not be the most talented player, but this guy's
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: made of the right stuff.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: He's a leader.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: He's in the right spot. He inspires others on the team.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: You just knew from a competitive edge standpoint that, There's
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: a number of guys that this was a great pick.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I think of David Stewart, you know, who wasn't a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: high draft pick, but like this guy's made the right
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: stuff when the Titans were good. That's just a short
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: list right now of guys you could rely on.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that shows where this team's been.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have six, they have three wins in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: each of the last two seasons. This is a team
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: that has nine wins, nine regular season wins in their
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: last 50 regular season games. All right. This is not
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: some team that's been drafting well. They had the worst
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: depth I've ever seen. NFL quality depth did not exist
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: on this team last year. It doesn't exist this year either.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: If you want to see some bad play, get to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the second string offensive line. So they're still rebuilding that aspect.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: They've got a right guard that's... He's got some pissed
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: off for greatness with them, right? But again, you mentioned J.C. Latham.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Your number one overall... selections from your draft have to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: perform well. It starts with Cam Ward, but it's beyond
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: just Cam Ward. Um, you know, Carnell Tate, Carnell Tate in,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: in normal practices has been tearing it up. He dropped
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a pass last night that he's making in practice, right?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Like those are, those are plays that the Titans are
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: quick to put out and highlight reels. Um, we need
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to see some highlight reel plays and players individually need
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to step up and grab the brass ring. As I
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: like to say, That Jeffrey Simmons is trying to do.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Simmons is talking a lot. And he's backing it up.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: He's the best three technique in the NFL.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: He can be a grizzly. You draft grizzlies. There need
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to be others. That are on this roster. That are
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: willing to show up and be pissed off for greatness.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Because he lit a fire under Seattle. It wasn't the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: starters either. He's like world champs. You think they're hungry.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: We're starving. Is what Simmons is saying last week.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: He's saying that they BTA with Seattle. He's saying that
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the Titans defense took care of them in their joint practice.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's the case. Maybe not. But Simmons held his own.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Where's everyone else stepping up to that? Instead, it was
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the second string that stepped up for Seattle. And all
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the starters, all the world champs are on the sideline
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: in shorts, waving towels and going crazy over the fact
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that the second team's out there BTA with the Titans.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It's embarrassing. It's one thing to go out and lose
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the first stringers for the world champs. It's something you'd
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: expect right now where the Titans are as an organization,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: but to go out there and not only lose, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: seemingly get punked and you see a more competitive spirit
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: from that team with their backups than you, who has,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: as Jeffrey Simmons rightly said, should be starving everyone in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that locker room and everyone with that team. I thought
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: it was an embarrassing performance for the Titans and, and,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not very hopeful about this season, having watched two
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: preseason games.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Chad, the first game against the Jets, must win. Yep.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Must win, because if you're Robert Sala, it has nothing
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to do with coaching. against your former team, all that.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: That's storyline stuff. That's WNBA storyline stuff. What this is
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: about is instilling and installing your culture, your identity. Because
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: right now they have a slogan, all gas, no brakes.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And he's doing everything he can to start this movement
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: towards being more of an alpha team. And there's just
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of players that were used to being coddled.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And that doesn't happen overnight to where you just flip
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a switch and you're like, okay, now we have an identity.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: But when you're playing the team in week one, that
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: is in the cellar with you among the worst NFL
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: teams over the last, however many years you want to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: say the Titans are in that group too, by the way. Um,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You don't start to climb your way out of things
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: unless you start beating teams that are on the same
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: tier as you. And with week one, I think it's important, too,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that they win that game for Salah's case, for Dable's case,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: for Gus Bradley's case. Because you need the locker room
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to start to galvanize and follow you. I do think
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: they're giving a ton of effort. I think the effort
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: in camp, a lot of physicality in practice is Does
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: that carry over to week one? Does that carry over
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to a victory for the Titans in a game that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: they've got to have? You lose that game, you've got
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the Eagles coming up next, followed by the Giants and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the Ravens. My point is, win the games you're supposed
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to and get past three wins in a season. To
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: do that, this starts with the New York Jets in
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: week one.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: You win that first game, Hutton, and with the Giants
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: being one of those next three, you feel like, hey,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: this team could be 500 after four games. After that
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: point in the season, which would be a huge win
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: for this Titans organization that can't win more than three
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: games in a season in recent years. So yeah, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: think this first game, paramount. Yep.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Chad, plenty to discuss coming up with Deshaun Watson. Cam,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: where does it work out? The Titans fans want Deshaun Watson?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:43
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• 32:30
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• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is in line to be the starter for
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and head coach Todd Munkin, because right
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: now he's taking the reps ahead of Shadur Sanders, but
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: they're in a battle for the number one job, Shadur
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Sanders and Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson, who Yes, has the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: highest contract, most guaranteed, fully guaranteed contract of the players
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: in the National Football League. But, you know, Watson has
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: those settlements, those civil suits that he's settled in his background. And, well.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: When you said he's got those settlements, you know what
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: it reminded me of? Kenny Powers in Eastbound and Down
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: when he gets in the wreck with Stevie Janowski. And
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: he says, I got priors. I got priors. And he
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: has to split on them when he wrecks the car.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I'll see you at school. Yeah. That's what Deshaun Watson
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: had to tell the Browns fans. I got priors.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Am I your sister? I don't know. Where are you driving?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Classic.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Where are you driving?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's not going to be driving the offense much
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: more for the Cleveland Browns. It doesn't sound like he
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: wants to play football. He'd rather just take his millions
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and whatever. They're fully guaranteed. But he wants everyone to
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: know how hurt he is that the home fans are
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: booing him.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Man, I didn't have no reaction. I think the biggest
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: thing is I think you guys know too, and I
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: think the whole world knows, it has nothing to do
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: about the performance. It's a little bit personal than that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: So I think that's a disrespectful thing. So, yeah, I mean,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep whatever I feel with me and
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: my family internally on how I feel about that. And, yeah,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: just move on.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: But don't you think, Deshaun, that that winning and playing
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: better would eliminate some of that bullying?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Last time I played on this field, I took my Achilles.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: And that same fan base, they cheered when I got hurt.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: So does that have to do with anything about performance?
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: When a person gets hurt, especially for your own city,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and they cheer.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Does any of that make you regret coming here?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: No, I don't regret anything in my life. You know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I think the Lord put me through situations for a reason,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: so I don't regret anything at all. But, you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I had different thoughts on how it was going to be, but,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: you know, it is what it is. You know, sometimes,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: you know, the tables turn, and I'm patient enough because
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I'm a child of God to, you know, wait for
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that time to change. So I'm not tripping on it.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not tripping on it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's tripping up, though, right there. Chad, the exact
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: reason why he's getting booed is because he can stand
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: there at a podium on the weekend of August 23rd
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: or 22nd, when he said this, of 2026. He can say,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I don't regret anything in my life. That is exactly
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: why he's getting booed. And it's not just about the Browns.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: He would get booed by any fan base that would
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: be forced to have him as their quarterback right now.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by this in the least. I'm not
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: into booing a guy who tears his Achilles. But, yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it's more than just tearing your Achilles because they don't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like you, Deshaun. It's because they don't like what you did. Yeah,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, go do something else if you're so butthurt
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: over the fact that the fan base is booing you
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: because it's not about performance. It is about performance, by
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the way. It is about performance. Chad, I'll let you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: chime in in just a second. Let me compare it
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to one player, Pac-Man Jones. Pac-Man Jones was involved in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a suspension, a year-long suspension here in Nashville. There was
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a triple shooting out in Las Vegas where Urbanski, I believe,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is the guy's last name. Tom Urbanski is the guy's name.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Tom Urbanski, you nailed it. One of the strip club
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: owners or managers paralyzed from the waist down Pac-Man ended
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: up even having to pay a huge settlement, a fine,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in all of this when it's all said and done.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Guess who cheered him upon a punt return for a touchdown?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans fans at Nissan Stadium, or at the time,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: LP Field. So you go out and perform well, fans
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: will cheer. But when you give them nothing to cheer about,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you represent what they don't like. And Deshaun Watson represents
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: what fans don't like right now.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's no more fitting of a visual
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: than Deshaun Watson messing with his probably $ 100, 000 earrings or
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: more as he's answering the question and putting that diamond
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: in where everyone can see it. Because, Hutton, it's not
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: just about the performance, right? It's not just about the
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: off-field stuff. It's not just about booing someone. You're not
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: celebrating that, boy, I'm glad that they're injured or they're
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: in pain. It's a combination of everything, right? And it's
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: also starving fan base that desperately wants success. You've got
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: an owner in Jimmy Haslam who gave that dude the
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: first ever guaranteed, fully guaranteed contract. So Deshaun Watson, in
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: a way, set back the quarterback market in terms of
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: getting that guaranteed contract again because it's been so wildly
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: unsuccessful with him in Cleveland. So that's a factor in it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: All the guaranteed money, everything else. It's a combination of everything.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: He's been awful.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And Deshaun Watson understands it deep down. It would be
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: hard for any human being to admit, hey, I'm at
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: fault here with a lot of this too, right? Like
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I completely understand why they're mad at me. I'm mad
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: at myself, this and that. Instead, the human response is
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: you just turn it to, well, they just don't like me.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It's a personal thing. And this town, for whatever reason,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I can give you a thousand of them, but for
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, they just don't like me. That's the response
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: from Deshaun Watson when in reality, Hutton, and you laid
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: it out, we all know why the Cleveland Browns fan
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: base doesn't like Deshaun Watson. They wanted to hope against
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: hope that, hey, please be our savior. You know, they
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: were willing that they were defending everything after the signing, right?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: They were willing to turn themselves over to Deshaun Watson
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: in the hopes and prayers that he could be their deliverer.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: from all that has been bad with that organization. He's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: been far from that. He's in a battle with Shador Sanders,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the starting quarterback right now. So he's going to get booed.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: And instead of Deshaun Watson just standing up there and saying, yeah,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I get it. I know exactly why they're booing me.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next question.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you get, what, 20, was it 24 massage
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: therapists saying that you try to get a hand job
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: from them every time you get a massage? Yeah, that's why.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: if you're Todd Munkin, if you're the Cleveland Browns, how
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: do you start this guy? How do you make him
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the starting quarterback of your franchise? You can't. This is
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Shador Sanders' job now. After comments to that fan base?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy how we're sitting here talking about Deshaun Watson,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: who's been in the NFL for a long time now
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and has had success with the Houston Texans, and the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: fact that we're having to sit here, and you're right,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and say, how do you start this guy? How do
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: you start this guy with all this experience, who's had
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: success with the Houston Texans and everything else, and knowing
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the thoughts about Shador Sanders and his maturity? He's going
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: after your fan base. But yes, I'm with you. We're
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: all sitting here saying, you've got to go with Shador Sanders.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: You've got to go with Shador Sanders. The fact that
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: we're even having that discussion tells you, you've got to
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: go with Shador Sanders. And it really does put Todd
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Munkin in a weird spot. with him saying all these
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: things because even if he was the best option right now,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson makes it so difficult to trust him or
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: put him in there or hand him over to a
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: city and a fan base and say, hey, Browns fans, 2026,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: fired up. Here's your guy. Here's our leader, Deshaun Watson.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Boom.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: That's going to be the response.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Because if you think about it, man, the boots are
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: only going to get louder now. He's calling them out.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And if you just turn around and name him the starter,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the fan base turns on you. Right? That's a slap
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: in the face to your fans if you then turn
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: around and do that. Because, look, the organization knows what
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a mess this is. You know, it's not like they
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: have a blind eye to it. Or it's not like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the organization doesn't feel the same way.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: They're just trapped by the contract. Hutton, the chat, YouTube chat,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: hit us up there. Watch us on YouTube, Hutton Withrow.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Chat's starting to cook right now. Catfish Jake, going back
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to our discussion about the Titans, says it's time to
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: start the, quote, death march for Arch. Talk for the Titans.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's been bandied about by anyone else.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give Catfish Jake credit for it because
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: it's the first time I've seen it. But we're stealing
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: that now. If the Titans start 0-4, or heck, Hutton,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: if the Titans start 0-1 after losing the New York Jets...
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: We will begin talk on this show, and we'll credit
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Catfish Jake, credit where credit is due. We will discuss
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the Death March for Arch. That's going to be coming up.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Catfish Jake's going to be at the Fantasy Football League,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: That's great. It's happening. Hutton's going to be the commissioner.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Hutton, for taking the reins of commissioning the show.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: We have the league created.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: You can join the chat and make your case for
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: why you want to be at the Fantasy Football League
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: for Hutton to withdraw as well. We've got, I believe,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: 11 spots available. Ten spots available now?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Are we going to ask anyone who works with us
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: is the question? Or are we just going to wait
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: to see how much we like them by the end
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: of this week?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I think I've already factored them in. I think I've
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: already factored them in.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, good. They're already factored in. Have they said yes?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: No, but I just assume we're telling them.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Is JT going to be a part of this?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I just assume they're being told, Chad. JT's like, do
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they have a choice?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I probably have a kid's softball game to be at
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that night and can't do it, is what he's thinking. JT,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: are you interested in our fantasy football league at all? No,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Let's leave a spot open for somebody else. Well, JT, congratulations.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: You are in the fantasy football league. That's right. That's
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: all we needed to hear.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: No interest at all.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: You're our third member of the fantasy football league.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: How was your weekend, JT?
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: It was great, except having to watch the Tennessee Titans
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: celebrate across the field after an interception on a guy
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: that's thrown two and act like it's Christmas Day.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It was wonderful.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: The muff punt... early in the game too, for the Seahawks,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: like the first bright spot for the Titans, they're down
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: 16 to three or whatever at that time. And the
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: celebration where they sprint all the way across the field
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: after picking up the muff punt, like they actually did
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: something that was also.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So the reason, so the reason for that is whenever
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks had their second touchdown, you know, where the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: guy just ran through the middle of the heart of
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the defense and scored, uh, like a 60 yard touchdown
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: run or whatever. The entire bench, the entire starting lineup
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: for the Seahawks came off the bench into the end
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: zone to celebrate. And they're waving towels and talking trash.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So they took a penalty for that. They ended up
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: missing the extra point. Took a penalty for that. So
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: then that started. But keep in mind, the Titans starters
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: were on the field that gave up that play. So
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I guess because they started to take the lead, the
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Titans starters were like, oh, we're going to talk our
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: trash now. We're going to act like the defending Super
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Bowl champs. So, JT, that's why they were celebrating. But
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, man. I would say act like you've
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: been there before. This team hasn't. This team has not.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: This was their national game. Their national spotlight game. Excuse me.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Their national spotlight game was this game. So, you know what?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: They're going to make sure everyone knows. Remember the night
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you played the Titans.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: A couple things also on top of that. JT's right.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Stop with the celebration on that. Also, stop with the
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: fighting and the chirping on the sideline on a kickoff
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: return with all the starters for the Seahawks, who that's
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: all they want is to rile you up, and you're
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: giving in to them early in the game when you
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: do that. The other thing is Julian Edelman and Carissa
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Thompson provided a pregame and halftime show from field level
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: for Fox. Julian Edelman, tell me you know nothing about
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Nashville without telling me you know nothing about Nashville. When
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: you try to drop in a joke, are you ready
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: to go over to Broadway Street and hang out during
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the game? He said, I'm just ready to get to
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Broadway Street. And I'm thinking, I was in the elevator.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I was in the elevator with Jules last night. Dude,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: let me tell you, man, that guy may not know
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the name of the street, but he could do some
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: damage on Broadway.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt. I feel like that guy's always like
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: 10 seconds away from a Jaeger bomb. Whenever he's on
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: air doing anything, I'm like, if you poured this guy
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: a vodka Red Bull right now, he would down it
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: in front of you.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: He had been in Nashville since Friday. He was at
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the joint practice. And he hasn't been to Broadway yet.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: He said he's never been to Broadway. I found that
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: hard to believe, Chad, that Julian Edelman had been in
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Nashville since Friday.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I have no doubt that he's probably been to other spots,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: better spots in Nashville. But when you refer to it
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: as Broadway Street, he sounds like a guy who's never
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: been to Broadway.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: You know that guy. Had Gronk been with him, they'd
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: been on Broadway. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's the difference.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: But you don't think he went to like 1230 Club?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Pushing Daisies? I don't know.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like they're probably even more exclusive than that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if it's Gronk, I think he's definitely... You
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: can find exclusive, but if you want to find... He's
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: doing a group shot of some sort at Jason Aldean's
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: or someplace like that.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: If you want to find Bachelorettes, you go to Broadway Street.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Broadway Street. Broadway Street.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're not done with the Browns yet. Oh, no.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Todd Munkin. No, no, no, no. He's getting phone calls
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: now from college coaches about current Browns players. Not Deshaun Watson,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: but players that are going to have a fully executed
• 47:15
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• 47:22
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• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a doctor who wasn't paying attention. Suddenly you're fighting an
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: insurance company that does this every single day. And that's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: why Clay started Clay Travis Law. He's a Vanderbilt Law grad.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: He built a firm around one idea. People deserve someone
• 47:39
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• 47:52
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• 47:56
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• 48:00
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• 48:05
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• 48:08
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• 48:18
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• 48:26
  Speaker 2: or too small.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Chad, so by the way, welcome back to Hunting With Row.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Not the other show that I mentioned. Hunting With Row,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: we are presented by..
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: We'll cut that in post. Don't worry.
• 48:37
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• 48:41
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• 48:44
  Speaker 1: so Todd Munkin is getting calls about his team and
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: his players from college coaches, from Lane Trade?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: This is so absurd. It's funny, the whole thing. So
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Todd Munkin was asked about the whole Daquan Wright saga,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: which we did learn yesterday, and we're going to get
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: into this. Daquan Wright, he's cut. He's officially going back.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: He wanted to get cut. Because he's going to go
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: back and make more money to play another year at LSU,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: where he played for Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss. Now
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: he's going to go play for Lane Kiffin at LSU.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: But when we found out about Lane Kiffin calling Todd Munkin,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: maybe to give him a heads up or say, hey, man,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: if you're thinking about cutting this dude, do it now
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: so he can get down here for fall camp with
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the Bayou Bengals. Well, we found out because Todd Munkin
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: was asked about the whole situation. basically said, isn't this
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: whole situation crazy? And that he was going to– that
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin actually called him, and I guess he should
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: have returned the call.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Should have taken the call.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Because he didn't. Lane Kiffin called and gave him a
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: heads up. So, look, I think people everywhere is like, man,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: this is nuts. You know, you had a year ago
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: where Charles Badiaco went from the G League to Alabama midseason.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: It was a midseason pickup because Alabama had some front-line
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: injuries in basketball, right? And everybody said, okay, this is bad.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Nate Oates is a villain for this. But Alabama defended it. Hey,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: kid wasn't doing well in the G League. We want
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: to give him a chance. We're all about the kid
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and the individual. The problem is he's not a kid.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: He's been playing pro basketball for two years at that point.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Daquan Wright has not been playing pro football for two years.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: But he did leave and join an NFL roster. And
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: he's in a training camp. And he wants to go
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: back because he was granted a fifth year of eligibility
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: by an injunction from a court. in something that he
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: filed with some other athletes.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: But if he pays back the money, Chad, does he
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: get suspended for two games, three games?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: No, he's not getting suspended at all because apparently he's
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: just immediately eligible based on this court ruling and the NCAA.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: You could be eligible to play, but you still have
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to play within the guidelines. So I'm saying like Arian
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Carter is eligible to play, but he's suspended.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to be suspended at all.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: And here's why. The argument is from this class of 2022. Yes,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: class of 2022 is that we were fighting for a
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: fifth year when you were in between granting a fifth
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: year anyway, which is now the case with the next class.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: So we were arguing it's going to happen. It's happened now.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: We should be eligible to do it. They got one
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: court to rule in their favor saying, yeah, you have
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: an argument here. You need a fifth year. So everything
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: they've done now, taking checks from NFL teams, flying on
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: their planes, everything.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Else is null and void.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: It's null and void, right? Arion Carter's not arguing I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: want a fifth year of eligibility. He only played three
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: years at Tennessee. He entered the draft early and then
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: came back out of the draft.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: So they don't have to pay back anything.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: They don't have to pay back a dime. They made
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: all that money, and they're going to be back. But
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: this is what's insane about the whole process. You've got
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: a two-game suspension for Arion Carter. who simply decided, hey,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go through the early part of the process.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: 400.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: He got info back about his injury, and he paid
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: an agent, but he paid the agent back for the flight,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and he's got to sit two games. None of it
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: makes any sense. None of it's right. And Hutton, the
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: fact that it's Lane Kiffin at the center of all this,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I think is a big part of the storyline. It
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: could have been anybody. I'm not saying Lane's the only
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: one who had this idea, but look at the amount
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: of Ole Miss players in that lawsuit. And tell me
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that Lane Kiffin isn't the one behind this the most.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: He's the one that's going to make history, right? He's
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the one that's going to start this. Adam Schefter's tweet
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: said history to start it. Daquan Wright will become the
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: first NFL player to go back to college and play
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: college football.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: History. History in the making. As the WWE say, herstory, herstory.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Just like Enos Cantor being the first man, full man,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: to play in the WNBA.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: History.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: History.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Do you think Adam Schefter? History. Do you think Shams
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Charania is going to post? History. Enos Cantor as the
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: number one pick of the Seattle Storm will make history.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: History. History.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: As the first person with both testicles to play and
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: star for a WNBA team. Maybe a Nashville ball future
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: for Enos Cantor. But it's comical that Lane Kiffin is
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: behind this, because everything Lane Kiffin does seems to be unprecedented.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: The way he handled the Ole Miss exit to LSU, unprecedented.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: The way he handled Al Davis with the Raiders, unprecedented.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: The way he called an impromptu weird press conference in
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Knoxville when he left late in the game after Pete
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Carroll left for the Seattle Seahawks, unprecedented. The dude seems
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: to have a track record of doing the craziest possible
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: thing And now the craziest possible thing is, hey, you
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: know what we're going to go recruit? We're not going
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: to go recruit in Duluth, Georgia. We're going to go
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: recruit NFL training camps for people with fifth year of eligibility.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what he's done.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And he's the first. And you know this, man. Kiffin
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: won't be the first, nor the last, nor the last.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: You're going to have coaching staffs now. The final week
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of the preseason is coming up right now. You think
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: they're not going to have all the GMs across college
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: football aren't scouring these NFL rosters to see who's undrafted
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: and who may be cut and who's clearing waivers? Who's
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: not going to be on a practice squad to see
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: who can jump back into the mix? Chad, you guys.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Have Dan Lanning. Let me also say this about it too, Hutton,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: and we'll get to Dan Lanning for sure. There will
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: be a thought amongst fan bases that if we don't
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: do this, I'm seeing we as whatever fan base you are,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: especially in the SEC or Big Ten, where every week
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: is a war with the games that you're going to
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: be playing, that we're not doing everything it takes to win.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: That if we don't try to bring someone back and
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: kick someone else off that's not going to play for
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: a 23-year-old or 24-year-old that can help us right away,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: we're not doing what it takes to win.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Because that is what it takes to win now.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning... offers the flip side of this, which gives
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: another bit of evidence as to why we love Dan Lanning.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, Davo.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Because of the way he thinks about this story. Here's
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a lot of negatives that
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: are involved around this. One, once you go to the NFL,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: to me, you're in the NFL. You don't get the
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: opportunity to come back. Two, you know, most of us
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: have built our rosters, and you have a limited roster
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: limit now. So if you invited somebody back to your team,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: that means you're kicking somebody else off your team, right,
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: to match your roster limits. I don't think that's fair
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: to the players that.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Worked all summer, all spring.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: And put themselves in position to be ready to work
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: for a team, you know, to have somebody come back.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: But ultimately, you know, it used to be once you
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: had an agent or once you went and did the
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: combine or once you went to many. I mean, all
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: those things qualified as you are no longer an amateur.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: You're a professional now once you declare for the draft.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: So to let any of those players come back, you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: fair or unfair to them, it's unfair to the sport.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: And I think it's unfair to the players that are
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: on current teams, you know, for those guys to be
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: coming back.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Chad, this works, though, whenever you're a coach and you're
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: bringing 80 new players in because it's your first year,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: and the guy that you're bringing in from the NFL
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: just so happened to play at the previous university you
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: were coaching at. And if you keep a roster spot
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: open with the idea that, oh, this guy wants to
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: come back to play college football because there's a loophole
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: because of the 2022 season, that's why it works. He's
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: not necessarily taking a roster spot from anyone at LSU.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin kept one open.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: He was ready for this contingency. I quoted General Nealon
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: last week as saying, I prepared my men for every
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: possible contingency, so all I could do was sit back
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and watch them perform. Lane Kiffin definitely prepared for this
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: contingency with all the Ole Miss guys that were in
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: that lawsuit that could possibly come back and play. But
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I still must give respect to Dan Lanning. And again,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning might come back in a year and say, hey,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: this rule's for me now. Or he might come back
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: in a week and say, this guy wants to come back,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. And we're going to sit
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: here and laugh at the hypocrisy of Dan Lanning also.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think he'll do that. I think he's being
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: legitimate about it. What is the message you send your team?
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: But also, I think with Lane Kiffin, Hutton, and this
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: is a question at all times with him, what does
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: it matter in terms of attracting the next talent? Like,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: is there a parent that is legitimately like, you know,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I saw how you handled that situation by kicking off
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: five of your current players or revoking their scholarship or
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: putting them off to the side for guys that were
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: in the NFL to come back. And I don't like
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: how you handle that as the parent of my son
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: who might go and play for you. There may be
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: someone out there like that, but for the most people
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: and prospects, it's going to be, can I play? Can
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I get to the NFL? How much money are you
• 57:43
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• 57:46
  Speaker 2: any of his past or how he's dealt with previous
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: roster decisions. They don't care. And I think this will
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: be another story like that where they won't care. I
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: like that Dan Lanning cares. I feel like Dan Lanning
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: is building a program or has built one at Oregon
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: and where he does care about things like that. He
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: does care about the attitude and the morale of the
• 58:04
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• 58:08
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• 58:10
  Speaker 1: There are two first names that are last names on
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  Speaker 1: me about the freshman that has won the job.
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  Speaker 2: Hutton, are we fortune tellers? Because, you know, we're planning
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: out the last night, today's show, and we said, you know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: we're going to get to this at some point with
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Keelan Russell being named the starter at Alabama. And we
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: believe Faison Brandon will be the starter or name the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: starter at some point on Monday for the University of Tennessee.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: And five minutes before this happened, Brooks Carter from our
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: staff sends a text, says, guys, Faison Brandon officially named
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the starter at Tennessee. This according to the reporting of
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Pete Nacos and Chris Lowe at On3 Sports. Reporting of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Cat Withrow, too. No surprise, yeah. And also just me
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: reading and listening to people I really trust in Knoxville,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: people like Brent Buggs.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Chad, let me jump in because I want to give
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you some credit here.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Jump in while I sneeze, yes.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Because you said, well, last week at some point, I'm
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: trying to think of the day, you're like, hey, look,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: it's going to be Faison Brandon. This feels like a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: George McIntyre spot where they were giving him a lot
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: of praise all of a sudden, but it's still... Brandon,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: who's going to be the starter. And it turns out,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: less than a week later, that's exactly what happened.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Well, and I heard from someone at the scrimmage.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to reveal who it was, obviously. But
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: at the scrimmage on Saturday, the moment it ended, he
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: texted me and said, Faison Brandon's the starter after the scrimmage.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt. He connected with Mike Matthews on a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: long touchdown. I think it was negated by a penalty.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: But he looked a little smoother. George McIntyre has looked
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: good this fall camp. It's no big knock on him.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: The one thing with McIntyre is he's late at times
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: with the football. He's not as mobile, but he threw
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: a pick six. He's more mobile than he's given credit for.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: He's not as mobile as Faison Brandon, but he also
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: threw a pick six at one point in the scrimmage.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: He's just late with the ball, and Faison Brandon, for
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: a true freshman, has been more on time with the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: football in this very timing-centric offense. It's not just timing-centric.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: It's You've got to be on the same page as
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: the receivers. A lot of option routes, right? There's a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: lot of the defense is doing this, so my receiver's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: doing that. And I better know what they're doing. We
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: better be on the same page. I think it was
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: important to get this decision out of the way today
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: because now starts the mock game week for Tennessee as
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: they get ready for their first game of the year
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: against Furman. You want to get all the first-team reps,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: whoever it is. Faison Brandon will get that now with
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: the first team. I don't think it's going to matter
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: against Furman. It's going to matter against Georgia Tech. in
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: week two who your starting quarterback is. So you want
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: to get all those first-team reps right now. Seems like
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: the right decision for Josh Heupelhut. And I think if
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: there's any doubt about the older player versus the younger player,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: you go with the player with a higher ceiling. And
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: it looks like Faison Brandon is that player for Tennessee.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: And there's not that much difference. It's not like an
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: upperclassman going against a younger player here.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: The flip side of this is a great example. Upperclassman
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: in Austin Mack. Redshirt, freshman, and Keylon Russell at Alabama, right?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Mack is the guy who knows Ryan Grubb and Kalen
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: DeBoer's offensive system better. He's repped it more. But then
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: you have Keylon Russell, who the ceiling is sky high
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: for this guy. He's the better runner also, much like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Faison Brandon gives them a different element. Keylon Russell is
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the highest rated quarterback in the history of Alabama football
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: out of high school. Okay, I think he was the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: number two quarterback, number one or number two quarterback in America.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Faison Brandon was a top three or four quarterback in
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: his class, also a year after Keelan Russell. So Tennessee
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: and Alabama this year, to me, Hutton, both feel like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: possible back end of the playoffs spoilers. They could be,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: especially Tennessee. I think Alabama may be a little less
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: surprising to some.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Tennessee is as good as we've seen, except for the question,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: an unknown quarterback, right?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Alabama's schedule gets tough late, but they should start 5-0
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: before they play Georgia. Okay, they're going to get off
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: to a good start this year, I feel like. Tennessee,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: their schedule is a little more balanced in terms of
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: they get Texas early. You know, they go to Georgia Tech.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: They get some tough games early in the season. But, yeah,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: it just feels– now look at both these teams and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: I think, what if these guys– it's such a– not
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: make or break, feast or famine type decision for both
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Kalen DeBoer and Josh Heupel. I mean, Tennessee could be
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: sitting there after a few weeks and you're thinking, boy,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: they've really knocked it out of the park with this
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Faison Brandon guy. This is going to be insane. And oh,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: by the way, did you see those DGG highlights from
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: his game against Brentwood Academy? He's going to join the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: fray next year. Same goes for Alabama. All these questions
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: about Kalen DeBoer, they could start Keelan Russell. He looks
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: great early in the season. Everyone's saying, boy, this Alabama
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: program is one to watch, not just now, but for
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: the next two or three years. Very fascinating. Both of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: these teams, to watch them early on to see what
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: these quarterbacks look like, I'm highly intrigued. But again, Faison
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Brandon is the guy, is the starter, not a huge surprise.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: And now I think the challenge of any coach, Kalen DeBoer,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Josh Heupel included, you better keep Austin Mack and George
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: McIntyre engaged. You don't want one of those guys completely
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: checking out because they're going to play. George McIntyre is
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: going to play against Furman. If Faison Brandon gets dinged up,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: George McIntyre is then going to be the guy to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Same goes for Alabama. And, Hutton, you know in today's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: open transfer portal that it's a lot easier for guys
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: who don't win the job to mentally check out and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: call their agent and say, hey, start looking out at 2027.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Who needs a starter?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Who wants me?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Where can I go and play? Yep. Yep. Yep.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Now, was this an actual– it doesn't sound like this
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: was all that close at Tennessee, this battle, is what
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: it sounds like.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I think it got closer in the fall. I don't think... Closer.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: It can get closer, but still not be close.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Right. I not for one second thought that McIntyre was
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: going to be the guy in fall practice. Let's put
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: it that way. We've been consistent, both of us on
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: this show. I don't think it was close one time.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: And again, I'm going to go back. Brent Hub's the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: guy I trust. We've had him on this show. He's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: connected as anyone. Good buddy with our buddy, Mike Keith.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: He doesn't just write or say something without having a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: really good basis of knowledge about it. When he wrote
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: a column... after the scrimmage on Saturday night or Sunday
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: and said, here's why Faison Brandon is going to be
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: the guy. You know, he kind of listed the reasons.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's not officially reported by them. It will
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: be soon. But he's going to be the guy. And
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Josh Heupel, I'm sure, is going to talk a lot
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: more about it today in that decision. But those receivers, too.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, Tennessee's got something with Mike Matthews, who from
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: all accounts has been even better than Braylon Staley this preseason.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: He is emerging as the guy. He's a five-star. that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: was a little bit slow to take off last year,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: had some drop issues, but is a great talent. Tennessee's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: got to identify that third receiver. Could be the five-star
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: freshman T.K.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Keys.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Could be Rodarius Jackson. Could be Tyra King, who's from Knoxville.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: They've got a lot of talent at tight end also
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: with Ethan Davis and Dasan Brame. This is a skill-heavy
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: team with a veteran offensive line and a veteran running
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: back who is a workhorse in Deshaun Bishop with two
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: home run threats behind him. and Javen Gordon and DeJuan Morris.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: This has a chance to be a very good offense
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: if the quarterback, it's a big F, right? But if
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: the quarterback can get it going quickly, you can't have
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: half of a season runway to figure out the offense,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: the nuances and everything. If it looks like they're an
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: immense talent, like Faison, Brandon, Early, it could be a
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: great year. Same goes for Alabama. When I look at
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: their skill, guys, if Keylon Russell can get it going early,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: this has a chance to be a surprisingly special year
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: for both Alabama and Tennessee. And guess what, Hutton? They're
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: both going to wear their colored uniforms when they face
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: off on the third Saturday of October against each other.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: So we could be seeing Faison Brandon versus Keylon Russell
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: in a preview of what could be a mammoth matchup
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: with those two programs for years to come.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Chad, as a diehard, true Tennessee fan, how optimistic are
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: you that this is not just the right decision, but
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: this is the decision that puts Tennessee into the college
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: football playoff?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's the right decision. I am very, very
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: optimistic about Tennessee this year. Now, we haven't kicked off yet.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Let's do a special halftime show.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: We're sitting here right now.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do a special halftime show of the Furman
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: game and let's see how I'm feeling. Or the Georgia
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Tech game if they're down 17-0 in Atlanta. No, I'm
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: very optimistic. The defense is going to be better. I
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: do think that the Jim Knowles system, it probably is
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: complicated and all that, there's going to be some growing pains.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: With it but we've seen that before too yeah top to.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Bottom they're more they're more talented even with losing Farouk
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: they got they really did well in the transfer portal
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: with some guys they added defense was abysmal a year
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: ago it's going to be better I think offensively I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: don't think you know Joey Aguilar was a finished product
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: when he started in Atlanta against Syracuse right He's connecting
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: on bombs. They put up a lot of points in
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: that game. Faison Brandon's not going to be a finished
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: product when he starts the season, but is he more
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: talented than Joey Aguilar? Bet your ass I think he's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: more talented. Is his upside higher? Absolutely. He's got a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: better chance to break a run in a game and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: make a big play with his feet. So I'm optimistic, Hutton.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Let's also just throw in, this is now an opportunity
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: for Josh Heupel to stack seasons with a quarterback. We
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: haven't seen that happen. You know, he gets to build
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: and develop a quarterback now. And this is not just
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: about a one-season decision. That has been the case. I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: think we can get trapped into that lull, right? Like, oh,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: this is for the 2026 season. It is. It is.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: But it's beyond that. And it's beyond that for the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: first time for Josh Eifel. And I know initially it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: was Nikko, and Nikko was the future. But you know
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is a decision for the hearing now,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: but also a decision for the future of Josh Heupel's
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: legacy at the University of Tennessee.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: First time hunting since 2004 with Brent Schaefer that Tennessee
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: will start a true freshman quarterback in game number one.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: And if you remember, Eric Ainge took over. They were alternating.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: But Brent Schaefer was the first one out to start
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: that game against UNLV. It was a Sunday night game.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: I was fresh out of college. I was working at
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: 104.5 The Zone. I drove up that weekend to hang
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: out with friends, and I went to that Sunday night
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: of Labor Day weekend game against UNLV, and I was
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: in the south end zone of that game watching Brent Schaefer.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: 22 years later, Tennessee will start a true freshman again
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: for the first time at quarterback. I'm excited to see it.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: It's huge for Josh Heupel. I mean, if you can actually, like,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: it feels like, okay, these are now multi-year agreements, but
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: what does that mean in the world of college sports?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Faison Brandon's locked in. I post those highlights of DGG,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: and I say Tennessee will win an SEC title while
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: he's there. I'm going to go ahead and call it.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: One of his three years, they're going to win the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: SEC with Faison Brandon and DGG. What's the first response
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: from everyone that's not a Tennessee fan? He won't stay
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: at Tennessee. He'll have over 1,000 yards in year one.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: No one stays anywhere.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Someone's going to pay more or do that. I mean,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: it's possible. Do I think it's going to happen? No.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I've never been more bullish on a prospect than DGG,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: what I know about him and what I've seen. English
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: is his second language. Again, he's not spending time going
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: out hollering at girls. He doesn't eat sugar. He does
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: nothing but works out and plays football. This guy is
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: going to be a stud. We can put this on
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: wax and You can play it back all you want.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: He is going to dominate in Josh Heupel's offense. I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: feel very good about that. I was talking to someone
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: who knows Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart was telling people, this
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: dude could have started and played at Georgia as a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: junior in high school. That's how high Kirby Smart was
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: on him. So combine the two, Hutton, I think the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: sky's the limit for the Vols. And I feel the
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: same about Alabama. I think people are sleeping on the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: tide right now, and I'm watching highlights to my right
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: of Keelan Russell. I think both programs are set up
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: very well.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Man, we'll discuss recruiting. There's one DGG, based on the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: highlights I was watching. He's one of one, right? But
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: recruiting right now, the fan base is, and rightfully so,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: because the vast majority, the 99% of the of the
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: players are all basically the same player when it comes
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: to recruiting. Let's discuss head coaches, coaching staffs, recruiting. Easier?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: More difficult? You're doing it every year now. What's the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: future hold for recruiting? But the top 1%, can you
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: get those dudes to stay? We'll discuss that straight ahead
• 1:13:14
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• 1:13:18
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• 1:13:23
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• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: a corporate job rather than to say something she didn't believe.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: And she started XXXY Athletics instead. The mission in their words,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: empower female athletes, take a stand for fair competition. They
• 1:13:38
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• 1:13:40
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• 1:13:47
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• 1:13:50
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• 1:13:55
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• 1:14:08
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• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: of money last night with Enos Kanter getting booted from
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: that game with Natasha Cloud, defender of all who can't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: defend themselves. decided to go into the crowd to tell
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Enos Hunter that, in fact, he could not sleep with
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Sophie Cunningham, that he had no chance. Great defender she is.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Natasha Cloud acts like we're trying to eradicate all trans. Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Come on, Tosh. You're better than that, Tosh.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: We just want men out of women's sports. It's really
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: that simple.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Some of the dumb things that are said in response
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: to this, but with what she said also, There's no
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: way the WNBA would ever punish her or do anything
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: for her starting an altercation. I mean, what she did
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: was start an altercation with a fan. If you want
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: to be a hard line about rules, right, it's like, hey,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: you can't go in and say things to fans that
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: paid for a ticket. And Enos Cantor is someone who
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: is a patron of a WNBA game at that point,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: whether you agree with what he's doing or not. But
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like Enos Kanter got exactly what he wanted.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: And then the WNBA got what they wanted because they
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: can continue to look foolish and unintentionally set themselves up
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: for more eyeballs.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Following their sport. I thought fans of WNBA had to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: wear Teva sandals to get in.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: They had to drive a Subaru Outback. Outback parking only
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: is right up next to the arena.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: You have a Camelback backpack where you sip your water
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: through the backpack. That's the WNBA fan. Recruiting right now
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: for head coaches. Chad, is it easier than ever?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's easier than ever, but I
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: think that it's not like Bear Bryant days when you
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: could take 200 players on your roster and most of
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: them wanted to come and play for you. I feel
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: like probably the likes of Bear Bryant and the great
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: coaches back in the day. John Wooden could get pretty
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: much anyone he wanted in college basketball to come play
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: for him, so it's probably easier then. For him... Say
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: that again, Huck?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: For John Wooden, it's easier.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, I think the common misconception is it's
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: never been harder for college coaches than it is right
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: now because of the transfer portal, because of NIL. I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: do think that it is easier from this sense that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: the days of having to go to the living room
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: and Nick Saban doing the cha-cha slide with a top
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: recruit with his family after the dinner, like those days.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Are fewer and farther between. Brian Kelly? Yeah, they come
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Like now you get a visit set up, you have
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: a big barbecue weekend or whatever it is, you're going
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: to have your big event around a scrimmage or a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: big game. And yes, there is a lot of infrastructure
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: around these top programs and how they facilitate recruits and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: recruiting weekends and people who organize all that. And it's
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: still a very complicated system when it comes to that.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: But the days of flying in for a living room visit,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: a home visit for someone, you don't see it as
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: much now. The schedule's made a little bit easier on coaches.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: And Hutton, it's such a business proposition at this point.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, your collective and your school, you're just working
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: out the numbers.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: But the coaches aren't doing that as much. The coach
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: sells their vision, and then they're going through their agent
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: to work out how much they're going to get paid.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: So that leads to less, I've got to go visit
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: this guy two times. at his home and do this.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Then I got to hop on another plane and go
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: here and visit another player. Some of that still happens.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: But from that perspective, I think in a weird way,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: it makes it cleaner and easier for the head coaches
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: in recruiting. And why that is, is because there's so
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: many more hands involved now. There's collectives, there's agents, there's analysts,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: there's all these other people that are involved that the
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: head coach really has to do less now in recruiting.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Chad, if you were a recruit, if you're like me,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I would be taking every possible visit there was. I'm
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: not to be wined and dined and to fly and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: jet-shed all over the country as a high school player,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: you know, or as a college player, you know, like
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: to negotiate. I mean, it's never, I mean, into the
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: portal every year.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: You get paid to go on a visit now, too, Hutton.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Getting paid.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, keep in mind, like, there's thousands of dollars.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: These guys are getting paid before they go through their agent.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: You know, because you can get money in high school
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: now with NIL. I've been watching a lot of high
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: school football over the weekend. We called the Brentwood-Smyrna game
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: on Friday night and saw a beautiful facility at Smyrna
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: High School that players have now. And I'm telling people about, hey,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: you know, Brentwood's quarterback transferred in from Memphis– And he's
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: the starter now. And then this guy left and went
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: to this school. and everyone's coming to me and saying,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, are you claiming that high school players
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: are getting paid to go play for other high schools
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: and high school football? And I'm thinking, yeah, some of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: that's involved, but also it's just opportunity, right? Like you
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: can just up and decide I'm going to leave. my
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: team and go somewhere else because of, Hey, I can
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: start here or this is a better system for me.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Or the last three edge rushers that played this position
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: went on to play in college. And I want to
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: go play in college, whatever your decision may be. You
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: can make that decision now in high school football, even
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: in that trickle up effect with all of that, like
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: these guys, by the time they get to you, they've
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: probably already made a business decision or two. They probably
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: already went to the big private school locally. And transferred.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: They've already done things like that. So they're no stranger
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: to these dealings. You mentioned agents.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Is this the first sighting we have of Drew Rosenhaus
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: in college football? This deal right now going on at LSU?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Now publicly, I'm saying.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Publicly, for sure. And I think that a Drew Rosenhaus...
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know who was all with his agency now,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: but he will probably have a college NIL department.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's got Rosenhouse sports.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying he's, he's publicly representing the, this player, uh,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: who was an undrafted tight end. I mean, again, he's getting,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: he's going to get cut most likely anyway. He's hoping
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: he would, he has now he's got clear waivers. We,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: we know all that, but he's now, he's recruiting others
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: to do exactly this. Now it's now Rosenhouse up front
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: and center. And, and, He's now recruiting players, Chad, this way.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: It won't be that far from now whenever he's going
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: to be in the driveway of a house, of a family,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: like T.O. was doing push-ups and sit-ups and working out
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: in the driveway. We'll have Rosenhaus doing this, but for
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: a college player or a high school player.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: This is the next expansion of that. I mean, perfect marriage,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: first off. Drew Rosenhaus and Lane Kiffin, congratulations. You two
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: finally got together. You got hitched. Because from just a
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: PR standpoint, both guys don't have great PR at times,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: and people don't like them. And it's the perfect PR
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: stunt type marriage with those two guys.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Yep, you're right.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Also, here's another thing I keep hearing. Why would someone
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: want to leave the NFL for college football? Why wouldn't
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: you if you're Daquan Wright? This is 1,000% the right
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: decision for him. He was barely going to make the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: team with the Bucs if making it at all. He
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: gets to go back, make more money, to play a
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: sport he knows he's successful playing. I don't know why
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: you would leave school unless you're a first-round pick right
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: now in college football, right? It is set up for you.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: You're well-protected. you have a great infrastructure of where you're living,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: where you're walking to your facility. Everyone's like, why would
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: you want to go to class? We don't have to.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: All the classes are online. Who knows if half the
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: guys are even going to class at this point in
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: time when you look at how professional college football is.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: I just think it's the perfect setup for him. He
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: made the right decision for him. Make no mistake about it.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: I hate it for the sport, but for him, great job.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: I got no problem with him doing that if he
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: was able to make it happen. That's what should happen.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: He's one of 16 that are expected to do this
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: at least, right?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: At least 16.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: And for all the bitching and moaning that's going to
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: happen when he takes the field, we turn on college
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: game day or big noon kickoff that first weekend, and
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a story for everyone. What will
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Daquan Wright do today for LSU? And everyone's going to
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: have their roundtable discussion about it. And Kirk Herbstreit and
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: everyone's going to sit there and bitch about the failure
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: of college sports.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Guess what?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: How it's no longer amateur and this and that. No
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: matter all of that, Hutton, all the bitching, we will
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: all be watching. Ratings will be through the roof.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: And when you're watching, here's my thing. Do I like
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: where we're headed and where we are? Not just where
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: we're headed, where we are. No, I don't. But does
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: my college football Saturday feel like a Saturday? And it
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: still does.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: When I watch it, it still does feel like Saturday.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: NFL Sunday feels different. College football just has a vibe
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: and a feeling and like a true just there's just
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: an aura about it. And as long as it's there,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with whatever's going on beneath the surface because
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: it's not affecting my joy of college football on game day.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Tailgate to postgame.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: And Well, and let's, to your point, Hutton, let's bring
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: JT up for a second because we're on a group
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: text with him. And when we were talking about this story,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: he said, I love the drama. I mean, I think
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: that he's not alone with that, right, JT? Like this
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: just adds to the storyline of college football. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I think anytime you can kind of just have this
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: back and forth. I mean, it's just what makes people interested, right?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I live for.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: This stuff versus what's on Sunday, a little bit different,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: but I think it's great.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Here's something we've talked about a lot too, and I
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: think JT and Hutton would both agree with this. I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: know Hutton does. We need somebody to hate. Hate is
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: a powerful emotion in sport. You need someone to root against.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: You need a villain, but you need someone, and I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: know people are going to, well, don't hate. People are
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: going to hate the Daquan Wright situation, and they will
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: root against him. They will root against him in games.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: And now if he goes out and he's really successful
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: for LSU, it's going to make even more interest. And
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: now it's LSU. And generate it because people are going
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: to continue to watch.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: And the villain aspect, JT, like Chad and I have
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: talked about this. We already hate the story. Kiffin leaves
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss. He's what we hated in the college football
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: playoff last year. He gave up on the team that
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: was going to go coach a team that he believed
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: could win a national championship. The governor gets involved there.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of things to not like about the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: villain of LSU. LSU is just fine playing the villain. J.T.,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: do you need a villain in college football?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, what happens if Lane Kiffin leaves to
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: go coach a different team in the NFL? He's amazing
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: for college football. I mean, whether you like him or don't,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: but he's great if you don't.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know who that next Lane Kiffin
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: would be. If we didn't have Lane Kiffin in the
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: SEC especially or in college, he's great in the SEC.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: I hope he never leaves and goes back to the NFL.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, Kurt Cignetti, but Kurt Cignetti coaches at Indiana.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: So it's still kind of a, well, the guy's arrogant
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: and this and that.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Eli Drinkwitz wants to be that guy, but he's not
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: that guy.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Who did you say, Hunt?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I said Drinkwitz wants to be that guy, but he'll
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: never be that guy.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: No, because they're not good enough.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: So you've got to be really good, and you've got
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: to be really unlikable.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: But if you're willing to play the villain, Sean Watson
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: can't play the villain.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: Think about what James Franklin did at Vanderbilt.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk later this week, too. I'm glad
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: you brought up James Franklin. Guys who were set up
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: for immediate success in college football, first-year head coaches, we're
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: going to come up with a list. It's not going
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: to be our depth chart this week. I've got our
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: depth chart that I'm actually working on a piece for
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Sporting State that hopefully will drop later this week, and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: we can discuss it as our depth chart. But, Hutton,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: I think that James Franklin, you could make the argument,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's the other one, that it's just the perfect
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: cultural fit for where they are right now, and James
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: Franklin of Virginia Tech, there's a chance for upward mobility
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: in the ACC because that is not a great league.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: And Virginia Tech still does have a good name in
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: the sport. And they could win and win big quickly
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: with James Franklin as their head coach. We'll talk more
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: about that later in the week.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: Hey, our boys at the Next Round Live are getting
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: ready in about a little over 15 minutes to join
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: us here on Sport and State. They'll have you covered
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: starting next. at 10 a.m. Eastern with LT and Ryan
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Brown and Dunaway. Be sure to catch them straight ahead.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: When we come back, though, we continue here on Hutton & Withrow. And, Chad,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: a comparison for DGG and Tom Brady when we come back.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: It's Hutton & Withrow presented by Hard Rock Bets. Next
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: round live coming up at the top of the hour. Chad,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: do you think if I say top of the hour,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: most people know what I'm talking about?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: I think everyone over 35 knows what you're talking about.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: I think for the younger generation, they may have a
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: hard time with that. This is the debut for Next
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Round Live, too, on the Sporting State Network coming up.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: That's right. Looking forward to LT and Ryan Brown and Dunaway.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Catch them coming up at 10 o'clock Eastern. So, Chad,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: you brought up DGG and how he doesn't eat sugar, right? Correct.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: But he's had sugar. At least he's had sugar.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I would assume he's had sugar in his life, yes.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady claims he has never had coffee. Ever. That
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: is a lie. Everyone has tried coffee. Think about how
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: popular coffee is across the world as just a drink.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: And to not have tried coffee in your life. President
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Trump says he's never had a sip of alcohol Okay.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Like coffee. You've never tried coffee. Tried coffee.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know plenty of people have never had alcohol.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Totally believable. The coffee thing, like you never stole a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: sip from your parents.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: But like... across your entire, not even parent, like after,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: if let's say your parents just refused to let you
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: have coffee, that would be a drink you would try
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: in spite of your parents because it's not illegal. It's
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: not bad for you. Everyone drinks it. It's readily available. Like,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Come on. Never tried coffee. It was different than just
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't eat sugar. Okay, you can do away with sugar.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: I can go from sweet tea to unsweet tea, reluctantly.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: But to never try tea? I just wouldn't drink tea.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Sweet tea is bad for my kidney stones, so I've
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: given up sweet tea. I love sweet tea. Okay, but
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: once I've heard that it can cause kidney stones for
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: someone that's had them before, I will never drink sweet
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: tea again because of that, because of the.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Pain of kidney stones. Okay, that's interesting, though.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: But unsweetened tea is disgusting.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm fine with unsweetened tea. They would call it
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: iced tea in the North. I would also say you
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: and I both, we would drink a sugary coffee, and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: now I can just drink straight black, no sugar.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: I can drink straight coffee. I think the fall-off, though,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: from the sugary, cream-filled coffee to just black coffee is
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: way less severe than sugarless tea and the drop-off from
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: tea with sugar in it. It completely changes the taste
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: so much. The chat out on the YouTube chat says,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: I have a 20-ounce tumbler of coffee every morning, heavy cream,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: and maple syrup.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Maple syrup.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, DGG and Tom Brady would hate this guy
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: in that morning routine to put maple syrup and sugar
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: and cream and coffee and everything else. I have a
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: hard time believing it. My 11-year-old drinks coffee now pretty
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: much every morning. She'll have a little bit of coffee
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: before she goes off to school. So I have a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: hard time, like you, Hutton, believing Tom Brady's never had
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: a sip of coffee. That's a lot.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's a lot. You know, I've never tried coffee. That's...
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: That's a little bit too far for me, too much
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: of a stretch, and I'm a Brady fan. Also, DGG,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: he's 17? Yep. 17 years old, to look like Megatron,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: to speak two different languages, English as a second language,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: to not eat sugar. Can the kid live a little bit?
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Is he allowed to just be a dude on the campus?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: He can hunt and he can live all he wants
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: once he's done with his time at the University of Tennessee.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: I need him to be a Megatron-like robot and just
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: go and perform. That's what I need from him as
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: a Tennessee fan.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want the robot, man. I want the dude
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: to live it up. Because that's the only way he
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: stays at Tennessee. He needs to get within the Tennessee globe.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like Texas A & M when you're
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: in the snow globe. When you get to Knoxville, you
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: need to live Knoxville a little bit, have some sugar,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: if you know what I mean.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: I think that he will not do that. And I
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: think that some people are just wired differently. I just
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: really feel like he's wired differently than most where he
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't need it. He just wants to kind of show
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: up and go to work. And then I think he
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: like goes and plays video games.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: But these guys feel like it's like a kid star,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: like a kid actor back in the day where the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: parents are like the, the, They're the puppeteers. Because this
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: is a boarding school at Baylor where he's coming down
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: from Canada. It feels a lot like a child star
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: like Macaulay Culkin back in the day.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give a shout out to Jim Dunaway,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: who's going to be up next. Because talking about this,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: he saw and he was talking about the DGG highlights
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: from Thursday. And I think he watched Bo Jackson as
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: a high school prospect. And he said that if... Cell
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: phones had cameras, and they were around back then, and
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: you got to watch these games on TV. It feels
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: like what Bo Jackson looked like in high school when
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: he watches DGG. Like, this is what the highlight reel
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: probably would have looked like to everyone watching the game,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: where everyone was just blown away by the way this
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: guy looked, like Spider-Man with some of his maneuvers during
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: that game and how big and strong and fast he is.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: There's no accounting for injury and things like that if
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: that happens, but it just– It feels like a pretty
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: surefire bet on DGG. Now, you know, paying him $ 2
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: million a year for a non-quarterback, he's going to get
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: paid more than any running back. There's still going to
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: be questions about roster allotment of your finances and who
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: you're paying and all that. But it just feels to
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: me like a pretty, it's a bet worth taking. If
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: you're Tennessee and you're trying to land the in-state guy
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: that you feel that highly about, that you go ahead
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: and invest that money. That's at least what it looked
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: like when I watched him on Thursday night against Brentwood Academy.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Yep, and we've got Faison Brandon announced today as the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: starter at University of Tennessee. Keelan Russell's the starter in
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Tuscaloosa for Alabama. Young quarterback's the way to go, man.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Because if you don't go with the young starter, chances
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: are you're going to lose that guy to the portal.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you're not going to go the route of,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: let's bring in a guy who's got one year or
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: two that's 23, or 22 that's played a lot of football,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: the Sam Leavitt route at LSU, then I think the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: next best scenario is what Tennessee and Alabama are doing.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: And boy, we got a five-star guy here on campus.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Let's roll with him. Maybe it's not pretty all the
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: time as he breaks in as an 18-year-old or 19-year-old
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: in the SEC, but maybe we can actually have some
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: continuity where there is no continuity around college football anywhere else.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: And if you can keep that quarterback continuity with some
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: key pieces around them and lock them up from year
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: to year, you could have something really good. I think
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Alabama and Tennessee both could be set up for something
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: really nice. Really nice. Really nice surprise, Clark, for both
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: those programs moving forward because of the quarterback.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: When's the last time we've heard about Bryce Underwood to
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: get a young quarterback?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: It's a great question, and I think he's almost the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: cautionary tale of what Michigan was a year ago. He
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: was the no-doubt, no-brainer prospect. He wasn't great. He wasn't
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: bad either. But I think the fact that we're not
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: hearing as much out of Michigan camp with him is
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: probably a good thing, right? Because if we were hearing anything,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: it'd be alarm bells about him having a sophomore slump
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: or not getting a lot better. But I don't really
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: see that with him. But I think that's what you
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: look at it and say, Jared Curtis at Vanderbilt, who's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: the number one quarterback in the country, right? If Jared
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Curtis at Vanderbilt is Bryce Underwood from a year ago,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: With Vandy supporting Cass in their schedule, which is brutal,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: do they win six games? You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But he could still look good enough and perform, but
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean for wins and losses? We're going
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  Speaker 2: to find out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this, man. If Vanderbilt wins six games,
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  Speaker 1: and if he's Bryce Underwood of last year, if Vanderbilt
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  Speaker 1: wins six games with a true freshman starter with a
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  Speaker 1: gauntlet of a schedule that they have in the SEC,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good sign for the Vanderbilt Commodores. Their over-under
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  Speaker 1: is 6.5. That's sustainability.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, their over-under is 6.5 going into the season. I
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  Speaker 2: think if they get six wins, that's pretty good. I
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: think if they get seven, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a five-star starter. You've got a transformed offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that means you're winning some games in there
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  Speaker 1: that you're the underdog with in the SEC that you're
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  Speaker 1: still trending up despite winning 10 and dropping to 6.
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  Speaker 1: With the true freshman starter, I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Clark Lee would hate us for saying this and setting
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  Speaker 2: the expectations there. He would tell you that they didn't
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  Speaker 2: do enough last year winning 10 and that they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to win an SEC title, and that's the goal for
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  Speaker 2: this season. Yeah. But I'm with you on this. The
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  Speaker 2: Vegas over-under is 6.5. Vandy feels like if they get
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: to 6, it's a success. If they get to 7,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: it's an amazing season.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee, Hutton, they're over-under 7.5, a game more than Vandy.
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  Speaker 2: That's it, one game more. But doesn't it feel like
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  Speaker 2: for Tennessee to have a successful year, they need 8?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think seven, like Vandy, feels like a success.
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  Speaker 2: And that's with a true freshman as well. True freshman
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  Speaker 2: starter as well.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But still, it feels– again, I'm just giving you my–
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  Speaker 2: what I think about each team. I think Tennessee needs
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  Speaker 2: to get the over to truly be successful this year.
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  Speaker 2: I think Vandy could be a half game under and
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  Speaker 2: still feel like a success.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Vanderbilt, though, like there's– Vanderbilt, to me, I would
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  Speaker 1: take the over by half game. And I would take
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  Speaker 1: the under by half game for Tennessee. I think Vegas
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  Speaker 1: has nailed it with the over-under for both. As for
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Jerry Curtis, we're going to find out if he's the
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: starter later this week, early this week, today or tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, is when at least internally Vanderbilt wants to
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: have a starter named.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Keelan Russell yesterday or the day before named the starter.
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  Speaker 2: Faison Brandon today. Maybe way today. and then get a
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: news pop tomorrow if you're Clark Lee and name Jared
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Curtis as the starter. But hey, it may be Blaise
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Berlowitz who's the starter, which would be a huge shock
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: to me, but it seems like there's been.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: More credence to his performance. I'm not playing Berlowitz here.
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  Speaker 1: He has a tendency to turn the football over. There
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: are throws, though, that Curtis can make. You and I
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: stood and watched, and it's one practice. But there are
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: plays that Curtis makes that we're not seeing the senior make.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: with a flick of the wrist. And you play the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: five-star because of the schedule, the way it starts. They're
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: opening up against Austin Peay. Then they have Delaware at home.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: And then they're hosting NC State. So those are the
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: three games. But here comes the gauntlet for a true freshman.
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  Speaker 1: On the road against Auburn. On the road against Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Hosting Ole Miss. hosting Arkansas, visiting Kentucky, going on the
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: road against Mississippi State, hosting Alabama, visiting Florida, hosting Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: That's life in the SEC. But this is a five-star
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  Speaker 1: who was going to Georgia. I keep having to tell
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: myself that. You're starting this dude.
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  Speaker 2: There's no breaks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not naming the other guy. The benefit of having...
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: The benefit of having the senior as your backup is
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: he's been in the New Mexico State office. He has
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: been with this coaching staff. If something happens to your freshman,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: you're okay. You can run your offense and run it well.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: But can you have the splash plays? Can you have
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: the dynamic five-star plays? Not unless you're starting the five-star freshman, Chad.
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  Speaker 2: There's no breaks in that SEC schedule and– Yeah, Jared
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  Speaker 2: Curtis didn't decommit from Georgia to go to Vandy to
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  Speaker 2: sit the bench.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard from Diego Pavia. Is he going to
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: enter the portal?
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  Speaker 2: And, hey, Bryce Underwood got paid a ton of money too.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 2: I think you get paid to start. Like, I don't think–
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: with the money Bryce Underwood was getting paid, I heard
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Dave Portnoy, who helped pay it, at Barstool talk about it. Like, yeah,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: we're paying the kid to start. He's coming in to
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: be the starter on day one. That's the expectation. I
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: feel the same about Jared Curtis. And will Diego Pavi
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: enter the transfer portal? I've had my suspicions. Please, please.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: I've had my suspicions. Now, I don't think the fifth
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: year thing applies for him because he already got the exemption.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I was just saying he's undrafted. He's undrafted. He can
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: still try. Yeah, if Pavi could play, he would play.
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