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Consistently Emphasizing Physicality, Taking Advantage of Eagles' Uncertainty | Huddle Up · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up.
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  Speaker 2: Jaguar senior writer John Osher and NFL network analyst and
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  Speaker 2: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on your
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  Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome in to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 4: I am John Osher from the Hyundai Studios in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks, I assume, is in Los Angeles because that's
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  Speaker 4: And, Bucky, here we are talking about what I think
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  Speaker 4: is a really good team. Beat the Bengals 22-17. We'll
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  Speaker 4: get into that. Off the top here, we were just
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  Speaker 4: talking before we came on, and I think there's no
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  Speaker 4: reason to hide what we were talking about. I think
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  Speaker 4: this franchise is really good. I feel better about them
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  Speaker 4: now than I did last week just because they do
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  Speaker 4: the things that I have seen good organizations, so have you,
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  Speaker 4: do it, how you get there. I don't cover all
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  Speaker 4: the teams, but I can't imagine that there's that many
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  Speaker 4: organizations right now that are ahead of this one. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's really ascending fast.
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  Speaker 1: You know, John, I would.
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  Speaker 5: Say that, and I think from top down, we're so
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  Speaker 5: forward-thinking in so many of the different things that we do.
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  Speaker 5: And on a separate pod or whatever, we could talk
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  Speaker 5: about James Gladstone and the stuff that I was exposed
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  Speaker 5: to coming in and participating in scout school. But I
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  Speaker 5: can tell you, man, the organization and the attention to
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  Speaker 5: detail is next level. And I say that having sat
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  Speaker 5: at the knee of John Snyder for the Seattle Seahawks
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  Speaker 5: for a long time, having been a part of a
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  Speaker 5: team that went to a Super Bowl with the Carolina
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  Speaker 5: Panthers under Marty Herney and that crew, I am just
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  Speaker 5: telling you that we are so far ahead of the
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  Speaker 5: curve that I appreciate the things that are taking place
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  Speaker 5: on the field because it does show that their methods
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  Speaker 5: actually work on the grass. And then when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to being on the grass, I think Liam Cohen is special.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's special, not only as a play caller,
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  Speaker 5: because that's easy to see like how dialed in he is,
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  Speaker 5: how good he is at setting people up to get
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  Speaker 5: open and making big plays. But I'll say as a leader,
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  Speaker 5: I think he has a clear vision for how he
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  Speaker 5: wants this team to operate. I think he reinforces that
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  Speaker 5: vision on a weekly basis to the team. And I
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  Speaker 5: think at a time where some people are really afraid
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  Speaker 5: to coach people hard, but with care, he has that
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  Speaker 5: unique ability to have the IQ and the EQ to
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  Speaker 5: connect while also being the strict enough disciplinarian to get
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  Speaker 5: done what needs to get done to be a consistent winner.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think he's been pitched perfect from the start
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  Speaker 4: on that front. It was a, It sounds so logical, right,
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  Speaker 4: that you have to coach. I mean, okay, how do
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  Speaker 4: you coach the modern player? You know, I was around
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  Speaker 4: Tom Coughlin forever, and everybody sort of knows he was
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  Speaker 4: a different era coach. Well, how do you impress the
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  Speaker 4: things that Tom taught? You were around Tom. How do
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  Speaker 4: you impress what Tom was teaching? Because once you got
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  Speaker 4: past the maniac, there— There was an incredible coach there, right?
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  Speaker 4: And that's the way you had to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds so logical.
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  Speaker 4: Well, make sure the players know that you love them,
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  Speaker 4: and then make sure that you know that you have
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  Speaker 4: their best interests, and then tell them, hey, both of
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  Speaker 4: those things are true, and I'm going to coach your
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  Speaker 4: butt hard, and I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. Well,
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  Speaker 4: that sounds so logical that that's how you do it, Buck,
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  Speaker 4: but it's hard to get to, and it's hard to
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  Speaker 4: actually do, I'm with you. I think there's two superpowers
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  Speaker 4: that you need these days. You got to be able
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  Speaker 4: to call plays, run an offense, have a quarterback that
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  Speaker 4: you know what the quarterback's doing, and you have to
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  Speaker 4: be able to lead, be in front of the room,
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  Speaker 4: and have a vision. I don't know what else Liam
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  Speaker 4: is or isn't in life, but I know he's those
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  Speaker 4: two things, and I know that he's really good at
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  Speaker 4: what he does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely is a visionary.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it's interesting you talked about Coach Coughlin
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  Speaker 5: being an old school coach. And what I found, not
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  Speaker 5: only as a player, but in dealing with young people,
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  Speaker 5: coaching or being around them at the collegiate level, as
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  Speaker 5: much as we think that they bristle at hard coaching,
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  Speaker 5: they actually crave structured discipline and very direct and honest feedback.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: They tell all their friends they don't, but they want it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they really want it.
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  Speaker 5: And The way that you deliver that information, how consistent
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  Speaker 5: you are in giving the players that information really, really matters.
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  Speaker 5: And if you can give them feedback while also helping
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  Speaker 5: them map out a plan of improvement, that's when you
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  Speaker 5: have them. And so I think with the Jags, there's
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  Speaker 5: so many things that work well in terms of the communication,
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  Speaker 5: the dialogue, the ability to identify what the problem areas are,
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  Speaker 5: then come up with a plan to help you get
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  Speaker 5: better And then once you improve in those areas, then
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  Speaker 5: you get an opportunity to play. And so it's all
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  Speaker 5: working together to allow you to be the best player
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  Speaker 5: that you can be within a framework of a team
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  Speaker 5: that wants to always strive to be the best version.
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  Speaker 1: It can be each and every week.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get in as we do to some of the
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  Speaker 4: details of Jaguars 22, Bengals 17. But I've been saying
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  Speaker 4: all week, Bucky, to me, the game they had against
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  Speaker 4: the Bengals, It's the kind of game that gets you
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  Speaker 4: to the postseason. I don't think that you necessarily build
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  Speaker 4: great seasons usually on 35-6 games. If you're a good team,
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  Speaker 4: you're going to get some of those. But you've got
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  Speaker 4: to get the ones that they got Sunday. If you're
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  Speaker 4: going to have six or seven of those, you've got
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  Speaker 4: to get four or five, right? And the difference in
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  Speaker 4: losing that one the other day and winning it, probably
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  Speaker 4: a difference– between finishing 11-6 and 13-4. Obviously, it's more
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  Speaker 4: than one game, but you know what I'm getting at.
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  Speaker 4: You win a couple of these, and you're sitting there
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  Speaker 4: with 12 at the end of the year. And I
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  Speaker 4: just thought it was a mammoth in what it did
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  Speaker 4: in the standings and what it shows about how this
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  Speaker 4: team can win.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: And I think people have to understand, like, this league
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  Speaker 5: is a league where every game should be decided by
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  Speaker 5: one score. Like, if you go back and think about it,
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  Speaker 5: eight points and fewer is typically the margin that most
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  Speaker 5: of these games end up in. And to go on
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  Speaker 5: the road and to get a win against a team
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  Speaker 5: that we probably believe is a playoff team is significant,
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  Speaker 5: particularly when you throw in a quarterback that many regard
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  Speaker 5: as a top-four quarterback in this league. Yes, he had
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  Speaker 5: over 400-yard passing, but we turned him over twice. We
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  Speaker 5: held this offense to 17 points. And we can talk
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  Speaker 5: about the circumstances, Jamar.
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  Speaker 1: Chase leaving, T.
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  Speaker 5: Higgins eventually leaving, but they were T. Higgins that was
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  Speaker 5: on the field for most of the game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This defense was able to get it done.
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  Speaker 5: And then offensively, I think the one thing that I
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  Speaker 5: can appreciate is this offense operates in workmanlike fashion, where
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  Speaker 5: some coaches are so stuck on the amount of passing
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  Speaker 5: yards or rushing yards that they want to win.
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  Speaker 1: The statistical battle on the box score.
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  Speaker 5: This team operates about winning. And Trevor Lawrence does a
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  Speaker 5: really good job of being efficient, distributing the ball where
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  Speaker 5: the ball needs to go. And they are beginning to
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  Speaker 5: get this running game And when you put it all together,
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  Speaker 5: we talk about teams that play deep into the postseason.
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  Speaker 5: These type teams play deep into the postseason because they
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  Speaker 5: can shift gears, they can play any style, and they
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  Speaker 5: can win in any kind of game.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's really important as you start building
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  Speaker 1: for the stretch run.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, something you just said. I think.
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  Speaker 4: The run-pass balance, which is one of the notes that
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  Speaker 4: I've got to talk about, I....
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  Speaker 3: He struck me last year.
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  Speaker 4: Liam did at, I was immediately impressed by how well
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  Speaker 4: he called the run. Uh, you know, there were plays
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  Speaker 4: where he, even last year, there were times he stuck
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  Speaker 4: with it where it probably wasn't there, but he, he
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  Speaker 4: realized you had to stick with it to get to
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  Speaker 4: everything else, to set up everything else.
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  Speaker 3: And then he knew if it wasn't working, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: going to work.
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  Speaker 4: Um, And it seems, I keep asking sort of around
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  Speaker 4: the building, do you feel like it's getting close to
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  Speaker 4: what they want it to look like? And I keep
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  Speaker 4: hearing yes, it's getting there. The insistence, the Rodriguez play
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the game to me was, you
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  Speaker 4: have to stick with the run in this league and
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  Speaker 4: eventually you're going to get it.
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  Speaker 3: The run is not popped. That was really the first pop.
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  Speaker 3: But You can feel it.
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  Speaker 4: In the first four games, you've watched enough football, Buck,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm slow to get into my point here. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you feel, hey, it's just not working today. We're not
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  Speaker 4: getting anything. They haven't felt that yet this year. In
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  Speaker 4: every game, they've been able to get four or five.
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  Speaker 4: They've been able to roll the line of scrimmage, I
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  Speaker 4: call it, where it looks like you're getting two and
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  Speaker 4: then you have five. Their running game feels like it's effective,
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  Speaker 4: maybe even more effective than the yards. To me, great
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  Speaker 4: running offenses that are statistical at the end of the
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  Speaker 4: year are built on explosives.
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  Speaker 3: Eventually, those are going to come.
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  Speaker 4: I think this is going to wind up being a
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  Speaker 4: top four or five running game because the explosives are
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  Speaker 4: going to pop, and then all this meat and potato
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  Speaker 4: stuff they're doing is going to show up in the stats.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 5: And I think what you're seeing, one, Bejo Tootin is
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  Speaker 5: becoming really comfortable being the lead back. But Chris Rodriguez
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  Speaker 5: also has a very key role in terms of being
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  Speaker 5: able to complement what Bejo does.
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  Speaker 1: As an explosive perimeter runner.
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  Speaker 5: And we're seeing it come together because I don't care
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  Speaker 5: what anyone says, that front that the Bengals presents is
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  Speaker 5: one of the toughest that you're going to find with
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  Speaker 5: Dexter Larson, Jonathan Allen at the point of attack. And
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  Speaker 5: we were able to make hay against a very, very
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  Speaker 5: tough and rugged defensive line. The other part of this,
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  Speaker 5: you talked about Liam and this offense and why these
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  Speaker 5: things are shaping up to be, I wouldn't even call
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  Speaker 5: it high power, but I would say championship caliber.
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  Speaker 1: I looked up and the stat.
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  Speaker 5: That is running around the amount of time that the
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  Speaker 5: Jaguars have been in the league, I think we've only
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  Speaker 5: trailed for seven minutes and 21 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Through four games.
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  Speaker 3: And that was the last seven at Denver, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and when you really think about how you win
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  Speaker 5: games and just think about the Colts teams that you
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  Speaker 5: were around, What typically happened early in the game, those
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  Speaker 5: first two drives, they went up 10-0 or 14-0, and
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  Speaker 5: then the rest of the time the opponent is playing
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  Speaker 5: catch-up against a defense that understands how to defend against
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  Speaker 5: teams that chase points. To me, we're beginning to round
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  Speaker 5: into form as one of those kind of teams where
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  Speaker 5: you have a dynamic offense that sets the table for
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  Speaker 5: the defense to do what it does really well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been trying to write about that point, and
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  Speaker 4: I think you got to it better than I have
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  Speaker 4: all week, In this league, you've got to create as
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  Speaker 4: many situations where it's difficult for the other team to win.
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  Speaker 4: And that sounds very basic, but like the other day, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the Bengals had a chance at the end, but the
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  Speaker 4: Jaguars had a five-point lead and not a two-point lead.
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  Speaker 4: So they had gotten that scoreboard advantage. They made him
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  Speaker 4: go the length of the field. The Bengals were down
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  Speaker 4: by 12. In the fourth quarter, the Bengals had to
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  Speaker 4: almost do everything right to get back in it. They
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  Speaker 4: had to make more plays than the Jaguars had to make.
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  Speaker 4: And then finally at the end, on fourth down, they
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  Speaker 4: couldn't quite make that play. To your point, they make
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  Speaker 4: teams play uphill the whole game. Kai and I were
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  Speaker 4: talking this week. She's a huge Patriots fan growing up.
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  Speaker 4: That's how the Patriots won for 20 years, making it hard,
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  Speaker 4: making it hard, and then finally you walked off the
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  Speaker 4: field going, man, we should have beaten that team and
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  Speaker 4: we lost. I think the Bengals probably walked off the
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  Speaker 4: field going, man, we should have won that game. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: we could have, would have, should have, but the teams
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  Speaker 4: that play with scoreboard advantage, to your point, they're hard
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  Speaker 4: to beat. Tell me about Brenton Strange the other day.
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  Speaker 5: Look, man, this passing game, Let me go back to
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  Speaker 5: a conversation I had with Liam a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 5: and it was funny because he brought up Ohio State,
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  Speaker 5: and he talked about, I don't think I'm the kind
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  Speaker 5: of play caller that is a guy that can just.
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  Speaker 1: Feed one receiver.
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  Speaker 5: It is better for me when I can just call
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  Speaker 5: plays and the ball just finds the open man, and
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  Speaker 5: the team needs to be constructed where, hey, the guy
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  Speaker 5: who gets open gets the ball. And so there's been
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  Speaker 5: a lot of conversation lately, like, hey, what's going on
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  Speaker 5: with Parker Washington? Why isn't Parker Washington dominating the touches
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  Speaker 5: and the targets and all these things? For the first
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  Speaker 5: couple weeks, Parker was second in the league in target rate,
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  Speaker 5: and that was unsustainable in terms of how the Jags
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  Speaker 5: want to play. So his targets have come down, and
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  Speaker 5: others have gone up. Brent Estrange, Jacoby Myers, and those guys.
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  Speaker 5: And what you're seeing, a passing game that operates best inside-out,
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  Speaker 5: meaning balls thrown over the middle of the field, because
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  Speaker 5: that's what Trevor Lawrence does well. It is an offense
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  Speaker 5: that has interchangeable parts, people that can float in between
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  Speaker 5: being the first option and the third option, and what
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  Speaker 5: we saw is Brent Strange was the matchup that game,
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  Speaker 5: the ball found him, and man, we certainly didn't back
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  Speaker 5: down from feeding him or targeting the other tight ends
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  Speaker 5: because 10 of the targets that Trevor had in his
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  Speaker 5: attempts were to the tight ends.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to focus big picture on run defense in
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  Speaker 4: a couple of segments, but what struck you in the
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  Speaker 4: Cincinnati game about how they played defense. To me, it
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  Speaker 4: was this team just stops the run. And when you
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  Speaker 4: can stop the run consistently, and this is historically since
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  Speaker 4: I've been watching football for way too long now, when
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  Speaker 4: you can stop the run and just really stop it
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  Speaker 4: and always have teams in second and eight, second and nine,
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  Speaker 4: you can be a defense that gives up some passing yards.
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  Speaker 4: and still be a good defense because you're putting teams
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  Speaker 4: in such bad positions so consistently. And that may seem
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  Speaker 4: like an antiquated way of playing, but it still works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely works. I'll say this.
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  Speaker 5: Two things that stand out, and part of this comes
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  Speaker 5: from listening to Anthony Campanile talk to the team at
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  Speaker 5: halftime and along the sideline. The physicality was at an
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  Speaker 5: all-time high.
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  Speaker 1: There was a direct... intention to make this a very
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  Speaker 1: physical and violent game.
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  Speaker 5: They felt like this was a game where physicality was
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  Speaker 5: going to neutralize the finesse that the Bengals tend to
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  Speaker 5: play with because they throw the ball around the yard.
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  Speaker 5: They wanted to make it where everybody got touched. They
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  Speaker 5: didn't want to give free acts to the wide receivers
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  Speaker 5: on the outside. They wanted to hit Joe Burrow over
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  Speaker 5: and over and over again. And they wanted to, if
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  Speaker 5: this was a boxing match, They wanted to systematically and
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  Speaker 5: methodically cut them up with a bunch of body blows
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  Speaker 5: that made them not come out.
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  Speaker 1: The corner going into the 12th round.
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  Speaker 5: And then there was a level of speed that you
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  Speaker 5: saw in terms of running to the ball. And so
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: when you think about running to the ball and out
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  Speaker 5: hitting the other team, those are basic tenets of being
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  Speaker 5: able to play good defense. And then it's about what
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  Speaker 5: they were trying to accomplish. They didn't want to give
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  Speaker 5: up the big balls. They wanted to limit the explosives.
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  Speaker 5: And they wanted to find ways to take the ball away.
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  Speaker 5: But the only way to do that is you got
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  Speaker 5: to stop the run on early downs and then force
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  Speaker 5: teams to throw against what we call loaded defenses. And
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  Speaker 5: so we keep bringing up the Colts because I like
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  Speaker 5: to reference Tony Dungey because I thought he was masterful
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  Speaker 5: and constructing teams that understood how to play with leads.
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  Speaker 5: They understood how to concede yards, but not give up
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  Speaker 5: big plays. And we're having a defense that is doing
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  Speaker 5: it like, like John, like, I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 5: team 21 straight games where you haven't had a rush
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  Speaker 5: over 75 yards.
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  Speaker 3: It stops being a fluke after a while.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it stops being a fluke.
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  Speaker 5: Then you think about the number of turnovers. We are
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  Speaker 5: tied with the Chicago bears in terms of the amount
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  Speaker 5: of takeaway since the start of the 2025 season. Like
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  Speaker 5: that is not by accident, nine straight games with at
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  Speaker 5: least an interception.
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  Speaker 1: This is who we are. This is what we do.
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  Speaker 5: We stopped the run and then we take balls away
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  Speaker 5: because we play great with our eyes.
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  Speaker 1: And then we pick off things that are tipped or overthrown. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And, uh, We're going to break here in a second. That,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: to me, is still, for 21 games now, this regime,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: I think that's what the number is now, is the
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: thing that maybe people will never get.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: They think of other.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Teams as the physical teams in the league. They think
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: of the Seahawks. They think of, you know, and rightfully so.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: They're an outstanding defense. But I still think what people
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: miss about this team that maybe, I assume other teams
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: have seen it on film, and maybe it's just not
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: getting out there publicly, but how physical they are and
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: how much they beat you up and how they win that.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: And they play with physicality and they play hard. And
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I think that's why it's taken so long for people
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: to catch up with how good they are. Cause that's
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: a hard thing to define. And it, I was like
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: to say, this is not a Twitter friendly team. Like
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: you can't just look and say, Oh, well they're good
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: because of these stats. They're good for a lot of
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: basic football stuff. And yeah, even in this past-centric era,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: being physical and being the tougher kid on the block
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: still wins you a lot of games. And you're right,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I thought that was maybe the secret sauce, to use
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: a word that you probably use in some scouting meetings.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: But I think that's still their secret sauce, and as
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: long as they're doing that, I think they'll be really good.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Sorry, Buck.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: No, I was saying you're right. We absolutely can be
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: a really, really good team.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: When we return, we will take a look at the
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Philadelphia Eagles, an interesting team this week. Jaguars opponent on Sunday.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: This is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: I haven't heard anything about them gushing of at all. No,
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: you know, it's like you hope that we're a mature
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: enough group to understand that– This is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league. And,
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: you know, when you win, usually they're going to talk
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: about you well. And, you know, if we don't play
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: well or don't play Travis enough on offense, it's going
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: to get talked about no matter what. So we just
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: know that it really is irrelevant.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. And I'm
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: John Ogier at the full press conference from Liam. And
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: I always recommend listening to his pressers. is available at
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Jaguars.com or the Jaguars YouTube channel. Cheer on your Jacksonville
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Jaguars as they travel to London to take on the
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Eagles this Sunday at the official away game watch party
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: at Mr. Chubby's Ponte Vedra location. Indulge in the best
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: wings in town with appearances by the Roar in Jacksonville.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Get the chance to win autographed items and game tickets,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: all while soaking up the lively atmosphere with fellow Jags fans. Mr.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Chubby's Wings, proud partner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We'll get
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: into the Eagles in a second, Buck, but... getting some
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: respect in these parts, some respect. And look, I thought
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: about this some this week. Since they've been here, they've
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: beaten the defending AFC champions. You just went and beat Cincinnati.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: You're three and one. You lead the AFC South. You
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: won the AFC South last year. You went on the
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: road in Denver last year. You've won 11 of 12.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Most of those games have been one-sided. You beat the
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Niners on the road. You beat the Chargers who were
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: heading to the playoffs. You beat the Texans. If you're
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: not respecting them now, Buck, I mean, I don't know
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen, but every, I'm not even saying metric,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: but watch this team, considering it in an objective thing,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: they are one of the handful of best teams in
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: the NFL with really the only, you know, hiccup. I mean,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: even think about who they've lost to since week two
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: of last year. They lost to the Rams, the Seahawks,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: the Texans, and the Broncos and the Bills.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good teams.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Except for the Texans right now, three or four of
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the best teams in the league. Meaning, and only one
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: of those games has been one-sided.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: That was the Rams.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: They are one of the best three, four, five, whatever
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: number you want to put. They have to be in
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: the conversation for being the best team in the league.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: And the one thing that we say in these games,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: you got to crawl before you can walk.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You got to walk before you can run.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: And so before we can be a great team, we
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: have to be a good to a very good team.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: And we've gotten to the point where we're at that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: good to very good stage.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: When you start to put together these wins consistently against
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: the top teams, that's when you go to being a
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: great team. And it's not always just winning those games.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: It's what do we look like when we play the
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: quote unquote elite teams? So you tell me the Denver
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Broncos game for about three quarters, that was.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: A game that we were controlling.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Now we let it slide and we lost the game.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: But if you think about the teams that we've played
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: this season, we've been in control of the game. We've
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: been able to force teams to play on our terms,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: whether it's, whatever we decide to do defensively and then
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: controlling it on offense, we have been able to dictate
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: to the opponent, this is the way the game is
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: going to be played.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And to me, that's what the great teams do.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Because when you think about the way the Niners play,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: you think about the way some of these other elite
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: teams play, you find yourself kind of lured into playing
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: their way. And we have been able to create that
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: so often against the top team.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: That's great. Great points.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: While your name's on the show. No, it, It really is.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: There's so many things about the NFL sometimes that are
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: hard to define, but you see it. And that's what
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you've seen with this Jaguars team in the first couple
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: of games.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: We talked about the physicality, the ability.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: To dictate, to feel in control of the game. And, again,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: like you said, even though they lost to Denver, they
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: were up 13-3. They were making them play uphill. The
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Broncos did it. But, of course, it's 17-13. you're going
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: to have a.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: You're going to have something.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Most teams in this league since 1972 haven't gone unbeaten.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: So that is tough to do.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: On to the Eagles.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: And I think anybody who's following the NFL has a
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: feel for the adversity that that team's facing right now.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: The laundry list is too long for me to list
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: it all. Saquon Barkley has a hamstring. I Don't really
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: know if he's going to play, but hamstrings. I was
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: telling somebody today, Buck, if any player in NFL history
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: has looked like he really needed his hamstrings, Saquon seems
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: dependent on that tool.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: And I love the guy.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Fantastic player, but that is a tough injury for that
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: position and for that player. Tank Bigsby out, Lane Johnson,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the news of the day in the NFL. Their tackle,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: all-time guy retiring this week. Many, many other things going
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: on with that team too, Bucky.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: 23rd in offense.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I'll just let you kind of talk about their situation
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: because it's such a hot topic right now.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's not going really well for them, right?
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Like you just have a disjointed team in so many
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: different areas, right? You have a new offensive coordinator trying
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: to get together with a quarterback who's struggling defensively. Within
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: the new framework, you have a head coach who is
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: an offensive guy who's trying to kind of balance being
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: the head coach and also helping out on offense. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: then you have a defense that is super talented under
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Vic Fangio, but they're not getting enough support from the offense.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: So now that begins to affect the emotions of that unit.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: And then when the emotions are in play, their performance
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: goes up and down. And so it's a team that
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: is not in a good spot. However, that makes them
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: the most dangerous team that the Jaguars are faced. Because
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: as soon as you begin to count people out in
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: this league, that's when they'll snatch up and bite you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: And so I believe that this is a week where
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Liam doesn't put any emphasis on the Eagles and makes it,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: as we've heard, hey, man, this is about us.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: This is Jags versus Jags this week.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Let's make sure, coming off of the disappointing performance that
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: we had with the flags and all that stuff, let's
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: make sure we focus on not beating ourselves. Let's clean
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: up our act when it comes to the way that
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: we perform And we'll trust that the scoreboard will take
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: care of itself. I think that's the way that you
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: approach it with this team to avoid kind of being
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: seduced into thinking that this team is going to come
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: out and fight or whatever. Take all of the emphasis
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: off them and make it more about how can we
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: perform to the standards.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: That we've created?
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the circle the wagons on the Eagles part is
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: probably the, it's a cliche, but you see it all
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: the time. You know, I don't know. that the Eagles
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: right now are in a position to be long-term great
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Uh, and maybe they are.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know enough about that team to
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: really have that be an intelligent statement, but you're right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: You see it all the time when teams think, you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: people overlook teams in this league, you forget they're professional
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: football players and for one game can put it together. Um,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: so all of their concerns on offense, we'll sort of
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: sum up the Eagles offense with this question. Uh, Considering
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: all that they're going through, what can they do to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: hurt the Jaguars offensively?
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Offensively, look, I think you got to remember Jalen Hurst
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: has played at MVP level in the Super Bowl. He
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: has a championship predigree. He understands how to level up
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: when it's needed. And even though he hasn't been at
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: his best yet, you know there's a performance like that
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: in him.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: He also has the ability to lean on his legs and.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: His athleticism if need be. He hasn't wanted to do that,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: but they can do that. I think right now it's
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: situation critical for Philadelphia. I'm not quite ready to say
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: it's code red, but it's getting close.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: It might be orange. It might be time to do
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: whatever you got to do.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: It can get loud fast. It gets loud when they're 15-2.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and so this might be a game where you
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: see some of the shotgun stuff, some of the things
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: that Jalen does really well, and maybe they deviate away
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: from some of the under-centered stuff that they're trying to do.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I just know this, that it's a prideful team. He
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: is a prideful leader. He is going to want them
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: to come out and play really, really well. And we
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: can say a lot of things about the coach, but
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: what you can't dispute is his record is up there.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: He has one of the best records in football. He's
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: been a Super Bowl. He's done all these things. So
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: you have to give him his respect as a leader.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: But this is one where I think the Jags take
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: the emphasis off the Eagles and just find a way
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: to do, hey, let's just do our best things over
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: and over and over again. whatever that is. This would
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: be a small menu. If you think about it, like, hey,
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: let's just play fast. Let's do what we do because
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: typically in these moments, the team, they're struggling. They're going
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: to give you opportunities to knock them out. We just
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: got to be ready to cash in on those opportunities
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: when it happens.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Eagles defensively, I've learned over the years, four games does
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: not a season make because there's so many one-time happenings
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: that can skew stats. But I was surprised they're 23rd
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: in the NFL against the run. They had one game
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: where they got sort of handled there. Surprised they're 28th
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: in sacks. You know, that doesn't seem like what they
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: really are, if that makes sense. I think those stats
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: probably don't represent the talent level of the defense. Jalen Carter,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Jod Campbell, obviously big-time players, and sort of define that
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: team for people.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Are they big?
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Better, which I think they are, than their statistics are
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: showing defensively.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Yes, they're better because they're talented. And you just look
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: at their front line. I mean, we mentioned like three
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: first-rounders on their front line, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: then Nolan Smith, respectively. They have talent in the back
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: end with another guy, Jahai Campbell, who can make plays.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Then their secondary is lights out, Quinnian Mitchell, Cooper DeGene.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: They are talented.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: They play really well within this scheme. So this is
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: not a layup. when it comes to our offense versus
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: their defense. We're going to have to be on our
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: P's and Q's. I would say it's an even much
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: better unit than the one that we faced last week.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So Trevor Lawrence.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: And everyone is going to have to, they're going to
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: have to be dialed in. And then when you think
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: about our defense against their offense, look, man, you got
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: to stop the run, got to make Jalen Hurst uncomfortable
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: in throw.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: They were 0 for 12 on third down last week.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and a lot of that had to do with blitz
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: pressures and those things.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: So what does Anthony Campanile do to kind of, hey,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: I want to attack him because it's shown to be
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: a weakness, but I don't want to expose us to
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: potential big plays. How do we kind of deal with
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: that little dance that you have to do? Because you
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: certainly don't want to give them big play opportunities because
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: we know big plays lead to points. Cause I really
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: don't know if they can drive the ball down the
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: length of the field. It'd be interesting. But I think
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: this is a game where if we button up, we
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: take care of business. This is one that might be
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: tight early, but we should be able to get a
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: little separation later.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: One final question about the Eagles defense. I worked around
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Vic Fangio for one year. It's been 25 years in
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: 01 at the Colts, which was a disastrous defensive year
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: and He wound up getting sort of washed out in
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: the wash with Jim Mora. But I liked Dick a lot,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: and I thought at the time that he was on
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: his way to being one of the best coordinators. What
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: is it about his defenses? Why is he so tough,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: especially with the personnel the Eagles have?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: One, they don't necessarily do a lot.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: They're not trying to trick you with a bunch of
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: different looks, but they're.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Going to make sure that they take away the deep balls.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: They don't want to give up explosive plays, and then
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: they're going to try and match the coverage underneath while
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: retaining those two deep safeties. So what you have to
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: do is you have to be very precise in your
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: route running. The quarterback has to be precise in terms
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: of where he throws the ball, and you have to
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: make sure that, like if this is blackjack on 17,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: this is a week where we may not hit on 17.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: We may just stand pat, take a very conservative approach,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: and just go back and forth.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: This is not one where I'm trying to go, for 21s.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: We may just be.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Okay seeing the cards show 16 or 17 and be like, okay,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: we're good with that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: You don't want to force it there.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: So I think, Trevor, this might be more of a
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: management game than a playmaking game for the quarterback. Just
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: manage the game. Let's stay ahead of the chains. Let's
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: just continue to move it. Let's continue to stack threes
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: because they may have a tough time scoring. So let's
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: not bypass opportunities at points when we know that we
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: can separate from them just putting threes and sevens together
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: over the course of 60 minutes.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: We're not hitting on 17? No, no, no, no, not
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: at all. Okay, all right.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Conservative approach this time.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I'm a gambling man by nature. We'll be back in
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: a moment to discuss a little more about the Jaguars
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: defense that is coming to really define the season so far.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: This is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Plus E, I think. You look at the amount of
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: reps that he got at Carolina joint, at the Saints joint.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Tampa joint.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: He's been in competitive situations, played a ton throughout the preseason.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: I think he's been coming along. I like his play energy.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: He's got his hands on the ball. and multiple of
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: those joints and made some downhill physical plays. So we'll
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: have to look at it throughout the week, and hopefully
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: we lock him in to be able to give us communication,
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: stability back there. That's the key point, and put those
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: guys in a position to be successful. But I'm excited
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: about him getting a potential out.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: defensive coverage of the game presented by GEHA. government employees,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: health associations, benefits for federal employees and retirees. And, uh, Bucky,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: he was talking about, uh, Jalen Husky there, uh, with
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Caleb Ransaw going on injured reserve and Eric Murray, uh,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: concussion on Sunday. It's why you draft guys. I mean,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: they like Jalen Husky a lot. I don't know that
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: they would ideally have had him playing in week five extensively, uh,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: but that's why you have depth and, uh, he's going
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: to need an opportunity. And there's a lot of guys
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: around him who know what they're doing, who can help
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: him out.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: But that's their situation. They're a little beat up in
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the secondary.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're a little beat up in the secondary. But
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: here's what I'm going to say, and this is why
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: it's so important. Despite the controversy that existed between the
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Jaguars playing so many guys in the back end, the
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: reason why you want to play so many guys is
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: if you do have an injury, it's not new to
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: the people that are rotating in. So even though we're
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: talking about Husky not playing, What I can tell you
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: in talking to the guys, they have been working diligently
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: to get people prepared. They talked about their process. They
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: talked about the preparation. They talked about how the DB
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: coaches challenged them to continue to do extra stuff on
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: their own. And some of the success that we are
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: seeing from the group comes from the dirty work, the
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: lonely work that no one sees that sets their guys
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: up for success. When you think about it, think about
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: how many young players that we've seen pressed into action.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: who've been able to come up with big performances. It
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: was just a year ago, Antonio Johnson was a lightly
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: regarded backup, someone that we didn't know would get his
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: chance to play and be that. And he showed up
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: and showed out when he had it. So to me,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: I'm very confident that Jalen Hussey's going to play. He's
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: going to play well. And this team is going to
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: find a way to get it done with these young
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: guys on the field.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: He's been somebody who obviously has always discussed– How good
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: has he been the last two games?
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: He's been really good. And I think people have to
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: understand what is going on. And I've talked about it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: I've written about it. What the Jaguars are doing, in
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: a way, is a little collegiate in terms.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Of how they're using their corners.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: So they're putting one guy who's assigned to the boundary,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: the short side of the field, and Travis Hunter is
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: going to the field, the wide side of the field.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: The way that the Jaguars play some of their base
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: coverage is, The wide side of the field has more
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: man-to-man-ish responsibilities. So putting Travis Hunter on that side takes
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: advantage of his athleticism, his length. He has great ball
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: skills and those things, so you see it. Putting Monteric
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Brown or even Jarrion Jones into the boundary allows them
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: to put their hands on guys in a very physical
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: fashion because they have a safety that is playing the
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: deep half over top. So what we've done is we've
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: simplified what we're doing defensively And you're seeing Travis Hunter
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: in particular play well so he can play fast. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: while people are saying, oh, he should travel with the
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: number one guy, right now, the way that they're playing, remember,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: he's only played 10 games. The way that they're playing,
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: they're spoon-feeding him more responsibilities, and he's thriving within the
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: structure of the defense. You don't change that now because
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: he's had a little success.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: You let him get even.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: More comfortable because when he's more comfortable, even more big
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: plays are going to happen.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: So he's doing a terrific job.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: But that's not what they say on Twitter, Bucky, on Twitter.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: On Twitter, they say, I'm just kidding.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They do. They do. They're really upset.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Twitter's always right.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think we, everybody on the outside, need
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: to listen to the coaches and the pressers because they
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: outline what the plan is. Like they're as transparent a
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: staff as I've been around when it comes to laying
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: out what they want to get done.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And they've done some zone stuff. They've mixed in. some
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: two deep.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: With some cover six, which is quarter, quarter half, which
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: is two deep on one side and some quarters on
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the other side, which has man principles. And they're allowing
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: their best players to do what they do well. Travis Hunter,
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: to me, is a seaball, get ball defender. Yes, he
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: can press, but he's also terrific with his eyes.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: We saw that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: That breakup is outstanding. But the other thing that we
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: saw from Travis that's showing up, he is not afraid
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to put his nose in the fan. And so we
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: saw a little contact. We saw him kind of get comfortable.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: And as he gets more comfortable, I know people want
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: to see him on offense. I just got a sneaky suspension, John,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: that he is going to be so good on defense.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: It's going to be hard.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: It's going to be hard to take him off that
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: side and say, hey, let's go back on offense and
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: take away some of his snaps. I just think it's
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: going to be hard because now he's on the field.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Man, you get a taste and everyone likes what they're seeing.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: It's going to be hard to say, hey, let's go
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: back to some of this part-time status on one.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Side of the ball.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all of a sudden, Bucky, you've got Devon Hamilton,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker, Josh Hines-Allen, Travis, Antonio Johnson. All of a
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: sudden you start listing off a lot of good players.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Ventrell Miller. Like last year, I kind of wondered why
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: they were good defensively and couldn't quite figure it out.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Now it's because they have a lot of good players,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: you know. So one guy I didn't mention there, inside
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: football this week, tell me why Foye Luigan, who– I
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: think Foye's interception at the 10-yard line the other day, Buck,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: was the biggest play of the year so far for
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think they win that game without it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: I thought it was a high-end play that you don't
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: get from a first-year linebacker. I thought it was everything
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: that Foye is about in that play, and I thought
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: it was the most important play in the game and
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: of the season so far for this team.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, really good player. I would say underrated on the
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: national scale. Man, he just does so many good things
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: for the team in terms of what they're asking him
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: to do. That play down in the red zone, to me,
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: is a product of when the preparation and the study
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: habits match with the talent. You see these plays naturally occur.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: And for him, he is the leader of the squad.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: He's the direct communicator between the back end and the
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: front end. But more importantly, he's a stabilizing force there.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: And you talked about the number of guys that you
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: routed off. There's a thing, and look, this is one
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: of the things that I learned from Bill Polian and
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: other great GMs. To be at a championship level, you
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: need to have what we call 8.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: To 12 blue chip players.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: And that means guys that are playing like top 10
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: at the position in the league. So when you start
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: rattling off those names, you're getting closer to that 8
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: to 12 range.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Because we talk about Trevor and Parker, and you could
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: throw in Bretton Strange. You can go on defense, Josh
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Hans Allen and Trayvon Walker, Foye, Antonio Johnson, like you're
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: getting closer. And so the better this group plays, the
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: more likely this team can seriously contend for titles. Before,
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: it was kind of pie in the sky. Let's be
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: super optimistic. Pollyanna, when it comes to our outlook, but
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: now the performance is matching what is required to operate
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: at that level. So we're getting closer and closer to
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: being the team that everyone wants to see.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: When we return, we will close the show with a
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: brief look at the AFC South on Huddle Up with
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: Hey, we got to have mental toughness to prepare ourselves
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: throughout this week and also have a professionalism to us that,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: understands that this is a business trip. We're going out
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: there to play football games, and it's something you have
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: to do, right? Anytime you get outside of your normal
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: rhythm and routine and environment, something is going to happen
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: to you. Something will tweak. It's natural for every human being.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: And so what I challenge them with is to identify
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: what it is for you that can occur, right? When
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: you step out of your environment and routine and to
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: think about it and to get ahead of it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 41:24
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• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Final thoughts, Bucky.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: I said we'd talk about the South, but look, they're
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: three in one, the Colts are two in two. Texans
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: and Titans are struggling. I still think the Texans are
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: going to be a factor at some point. I think
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: we can talk about them more next week, uh, when
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: they're about to play the Texans. Uh, but you know, uh,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: thoughts on the division very quickly, Bucky.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I mean, uh, the two teams at the
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: bottom of Houston Texans have been a great disappointment.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And then the Tennessee Titans are.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Just trying to find their way with a new coaching
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: staff and a young quarterback. The Indianapolis Colts have been
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: a surprise sitting at two and two. They're right there.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: I think for us, um, So much of what we
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: do is focusing on us and what we need to
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: do to play at our best. I think you continue
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: to take that focus. When you start looking.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Around and trying to count wins and trying.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: To figure out who's who and what's going to be
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: around and when can we wrap up the division, that's
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: when you falter. I think this team will be focused,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: and when it's time to turn our attention to the division.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Teams, we'll be ready for it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: But I will say it's nice to have a little
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: bit of a cushion against one of the teams that
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: you thought was certainly going to be there in Houston, Texas.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny how seasons shape out, but again, Texans
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: are a team that has come back from oh-and-something starts before,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: always dangerous until they're actually knocked out. Two final topics
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: very quickly. We've gone the whole show, and I talked
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: about Trevor Lawrence. I still think he's playing as well
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: as anybody on this team.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. He's playing terrific.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: And I think the biggest signs of growth, because people
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: ask all the time, like, what has been the difference?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: One, his confidence is fully back.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: He believes– In himself, he believes in his ability. More important,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: he believes in what he knows about this game, and
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: we are seeing the ball come out quicker than we've
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: ever seen it from him. You've been around great quarterbacks before,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: and they'll talk about throwing guys open.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: The ball is out well before.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: The receiver comes out of his break, and they can
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: thread it in between tight windows. Trevor Lawrence is doing that,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: but what he's also doing is he's mastering the art
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: of playing quarterback. Quarterback is two parts. It is part
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: game manager, part playmaker. And he is doing that tight
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: rope where he understands when I need to ratchet it
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: up and be the playmaker and when I can dial
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: it back. The best part of what we've seen the
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: last few weeks from Trevor, his ability and his willingness
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: to take the check down. When you take the underneath stuff,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: it stresses the defense in a different way. So you
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: eventually can get to the part of the game that
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: you want, which for him is throwing it intermediate range
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: right over the.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Middle of the field.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: But to do that, you got to lure some of
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: those linebackers and safeties out of the middle by.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Throwing the check down underneath.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: And then you get back to being able to get
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: those shots at 15 to 18 yards.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Our little quarterback is growing up before our eyes, Buck.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, he really is.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: And I think it's really hard for people on the
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: national scene to kind of understand that, right? So they're
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: so used to him being a bit of a rollercoaster ride.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: But this is not like a fluke. You don't play
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: this well from the middle of 2025 to now. without
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: it being who you are. And you don't play like
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: this within this system just by happenstance. It's the combination
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: of the play caller setting him up for success, but
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: also he's grown so much as the playmaker in this system.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: He's just doing a really good job of letting his
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: players do the work, and he's not getting in the way.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: You've dug deep on the Eagles-Jags game. Very quickly, final
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: thought on that game.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: What do you expect?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: This is a test for us in terms of our
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: emotional maturity when it comes to being a title team,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: a title contender. If you are a title contender, then, man,
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: you don't mess around with this team. You don't play
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: with your food. You get right to it. I think
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: if you're Liam Cohen, hey, man, best plays to your
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: best players right away. You want to jump on them
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: while they're struggling because the longer this game stays tight
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: or the more you give them some of these momentum
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: building plays, now you get yourself into a dogfight. They
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: are already questioning themselves and ready to go belly up.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: We just need to give them a reason to.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Another tough professional football game coming up. Part of a
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: tough stretch that the Jaguars have navigated so far. Big
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: game on Sunday. For Brent Reber, Joe Fortunato. For Bucky
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Brooks in Los Angeles, I'm John Ogier. This is the
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Huddle Up Podcast.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: With Bucky Brooks. Buck, we will see you Sunday.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Will do. All right, buddy.