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Latest Interview of Elon Musk, speaks to Germanys farright party AfD chief Alice Weidel!!! · Elon Musk Thinking

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Speaker 1: Welcome Alice, thank you for joining spaces and I look
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Speaker 1: forward to this discussion. And perhaps we could start by outlining,
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Speaker 1: if you could outline what a f d's platform is,
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Speaker 1: what are the main things you're aiming for, Where does
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Speaker 1: Germany need change, and just to educate people who have
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Speaker 1: never heard of a f D or IFD for German
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people, especially in America, never heard of.
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Speaker 2: A f D, so perhaps this would be very helpful.
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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you very much Eland for having me and
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Speaker 3: to give us opportunity to to openly speak about different matters.
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Speaker 3: Let me just can you hear me?
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Speaker 2: I can?
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Speaker 3: Yes, perfect, perfect? To start with who we are the
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Speaker 3: a f D is the alternative for Germany. It isn't
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Speaker 3: a relatively new party founded eleven years ago during the
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Speaker 3: course of the euro problems. So unfortunately I have to
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Speaker 3: start when I shed some light on our party with
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Speaker 3: the quite negative circumstances in Germany. Our country is a
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Speaker 3: great country with highly motivated people, but our country has
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Speaker 3: been governed not in a proper way. Within the last
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five years. We had the Angula Medical administration
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Speaker 3: for sixteen years and then the so called traffic light
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Speaker 3: coalision that imploded last year. Now we're heading elections. In
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Speaker 3: my point of view, Angela Merkele, the first Green Chancellor,
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Speaker 3: she ruined basically our country. She enforced without asking the people,
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Speaker 3: She enforced to open our borders for illegal immigration in
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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. She ragged and destroyed our backbone in terms
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Speaker 3: of obnoxious energy policy. For the foreign listeners here in
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Speaker 3: this audience, Germany is the only industrial country, the only
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Speaker 3: industrial country that unplugged the nuclear power plan. So the
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Speaker 3: aim of Angela Merkele.
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Speaker 1: Was to.
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Speaker 3: Enforce just faller and wind energy. And you don't need
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Speaker 3: to be very smart to encounter that. You cannot run
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Speaker 3: an industrial country was just wind and solar because you
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Speaker 3: don't have any energy and electricity when the sun doesn't
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Speaker 3: shine and when the wind doesn't blow. And this is
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Speaker 3: a major problem.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of solar energy,
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Speaker 1: but clearly if somebody, if a country is at a
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Speaker 1: very high latitude, then the amount of solar power in
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Speaker 1: the winter is going to be substantially reduced. And of
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Speaker 1: course there's a significant difference in the day night cycle
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Speaker 1: of energy usage, so a lot of a lot of
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Speaker 1: power can be done with solar and with the large
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Speaker 1: scale grid energy batteries, but it must be supplemented with
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Speaker 1: other forms of power because there's not a lot of
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Speaker 1: sunshine in the middle of point in Germany. So the
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Speaker 1: solution obviously must be a multifaceted solution where there's certainly renewables,
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Speaker 1: but also that that there does need to be some
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Speaker 1: form of some amount of fossil fuel energy and and
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Speaker 1: and especially in nuclear I think nuclears are very much underrated.
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Speaker 4: I was.
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Speaker 1: I think it was a tragic for Dominue to shut
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Speaker 1: down the nuclear power plants. In fact, they're they're very
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Speaker 1: well designed, and I think that the right move is
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Speaker 1: in fact to increase the amount of nuclear power substantially
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Speaker 1: in Germany.
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Speaker 2: This would be this would be great and absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so that was the reason why I wanted
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Speaker 3: to shed some light on the current situation, so in
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Speaker 3: order to form my opinion what our parties stand for,
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Speaker 3: because this is exactly what you said, we stand for
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Speaker 3: an energy, energy supply, high diversification. We cannot run a
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Speaker 3: industrial country like Germany with a strong still strong manufacturing base.
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Speaker 3: To tell you the truth, our manufacturing production it peaked
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Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen and it plummeted since then due to
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Speaker 3: high energy costs, and you cannot run a country like that.
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Speaker 3: So therefore we say, look, we need to be technology open,
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Speaker 3: and we need to reinforce again nuclear power plants because
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Speaker 3: nuclear energy supply is carbon free, right, so therefore we
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Speaker 3: would also, yeah, we would also reduce our carbon footprint,
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Speaker 3: which is obnoxiously very very high. And this is the
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Speaker 3: entire irony about it. So our governments like the Angela
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Speaker 3: Meagle government and the so called ridiculous traffic Light Coalition,
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Speaker 3: they enforce a green policy upon our country that doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, and we would like to go back to
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Speaker 3: technology openess here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
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Speaker 1: I mean, my recommendation, and I've said this publicly before,
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Speaker 1: is that Germany should not merely reopen the nuclear power plants,
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Speaker 1: but substantially increase the power generation in the same space,
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Speaker 1: meaning without increasing the size of the nuclear power plant
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Speaker 1: in any meaningful way, without increasing the amount of land
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Speaker 1: area that it uses, you can dramatically increase the power
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Speaker 1: output of a nuclear power station because the actual core
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Speaker 1: part of the power station is extremely tiny. People don't
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Speaker 1: quite realize just how small the center core of a
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Speaker 1: nuclear power plant is it's like amazingly tiny, and so
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Speaker 1: you can actually in the same land area, no increased
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Speaker 1: land area dramatically increase the amount of nuclear power that
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Speaker 1: any given nuclear power station is produce. Sing do you
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Speaker 1: need a water source for for that to run the
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Speaker 1: steam turbines? But but but really far more power output
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Speaker 1: is possible than than people realize. And I think that
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Speaker 1: the sensible solution is, uh, you know, renewables, but with
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Speaker 1: with a lot of nuclear and then you know, to
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Speaker 1: supplement where that there's there has to be some amount
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Speaker 1: of hydrocarbon power generation to supplement where Yeah, just it
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Speaker 1: just needs to be sensible.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But do you know what, just just just
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Speaker 3: let me do just like one more example, because like
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Speaker 3: like like wind turbines, wind energy in comparison to nuclear
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Speaker 3: power supply is highly inefficient also in terms of land use.
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Speaker 3: So for instance, I give one example just to shed
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Speaker 3: some light on it. If you were to replace one
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Speaker 3: nuclear power plant, let's say, like one like m Slant
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Speaker 3: nuclear power plant here in Germany with an annual electricity
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Speaker 3: production of ten billion kilovard per hour with modern wind
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Speaker 3: turbines with a production of just eight million kilovart per
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Speaker 3: hour per year. You would need one thousand, two hundred
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Speaker 3: fifty wind turbines just to just to replace this one
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Speaker 3: power plant and with a rotor diameter of seventeen meters
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Speaker 3: and the minimum distance from large wind farms, you end
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Speaker 3: up around with like one hundred square kilometers for example,
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Speaker 3: this corresponds to half of the city major city of Stuttguart. Right,
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Speaker 3: So this this entire thing, and just to just to
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Speaker 3: just to stress the again, you don't need to be
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Speaker 3: very smart just to do your calculation.
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Speaker 1: But our our energy, that's the crazy thing. The crazy
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Speaker 1: thing is is like like a bunch of these these
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Speaker 1: these energy questions you do not need to be like
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Speaker 1: like a world leading physicist. Is very basic math, like
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Speaker 1: high school less than high school level math, i'd say
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Speaker 1: middle school math. Even it's it's very straightforward, not not complicated.
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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. And then during during the crisis, like during
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Speaker 3: the war sorry, yeah, so during the War of Ukraine,
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Speaker 3: so our our our guest supply was just destroyed and
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Speaker 3: that actually shed some light on our on our severe
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Speaker 3: dependence on Russian gas. And do you know what, what's
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Speaker 3: a gu and decided in this crisis when the energy
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Speaker 3: price is skyrocked. After we were cut off of of
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Speaker 3: of of cheap energy supply from Russia. They switched off
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Speaker 3: the last nuclear power plant to even more create a
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Speaker 3: shortage of energy. So either you must be very stupid
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Speaker 3: or you just hate your own country, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: I think it's mostly the very stupid category. At least,
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Speaker 1: I like things very suitable. I mean, there's there's all
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Speaker 1: saying that, like once you never ascribe to malice that
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Speaker 1: which can easily be explained by incompetence.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you're perfectly right now.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I actually when I saw that Germany was turning
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Speaker 1: off the pope plants after being cut off from gas
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Speaker 1: supplies from Russia, I thought, this.
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Speaker 2: Is the craziest. This is one of the craziest things.
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen, just just when Germany most needs electricity
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Speaker 1: during shutting down one of.
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Speaker 2: The best sources of electricity, which is nuclear power.
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Speaker 3: Crazy and completely carmon free.
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Speaker 2: Crazy crazy.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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Speaker 1: So so I guess to summarize the I mean, the
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Speaker 1: two main things that a FD is aiming for in
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Speaker 1: terms of change is a sensible energy policy and sensible
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Speaker 1: immigration policy.
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly so, but actually even more so, we would
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Speaker 3: like so if I if if I may continue a
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Speaker 3: little bit now it's a it's a elan, it's a
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Speaker 3: complete news situation for me that that I just can
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Speaker 3: have a normal conversation and I'm not interrupted on negative
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Speaker 3: framed how that has been in the media the case
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Speaker 3: in the last ten years, which is completely ridiculous. So
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Speaker 3: what we what we also stand for since we are
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Speaker 3: a conservative libertarian party, so at least we see ourselves
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Speaker 3: like this, but we are extremely negatively framed as a
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Speaker 3: so called extremist party by the mainstream media. So we
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Speaker 3: just say, look, we need to reduce bureaucracy. We need
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Speaker 3: to free our our firms, our companies, the individuals of
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Speaker 3: the sub narches bureaucratic conditions here. Do you know, like
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Speaker 3: how long it takes how many days it takes to
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Speaker 3: get a business permit in Germany?
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Speaker 1: Just as it turns out I do, because we both, yeah,
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Speaker 1: a big plan.
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Speaker 2: A gigantic class factory, you know, just near Berlin.
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Speaker 1: So we had many, many challenges, I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: to be clear, like we actually had a lot of support,
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Speaker 1: a lot of local support, a lot of local support
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Speaker 1: from from from the local government, from the national government.
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Speaker 2: And despite all that support.
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Speaker 1: Just the sheer number of rules that you're, you know,
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Speaker 1: the people in the government are required to follow is
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Speaker 1: completely crazy.
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Speaker 2: And we had to I think it was twenty.
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Speaker 1: Five thousand pages, was our permit, and it had to
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Speaker 1: be and it had to be all printed on paper. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I think maybe more than that in the end, twenty
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Speaker 1: five thousand, and then there has to be many many
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Speaker 1: copies made. So it literally was a truck of paper
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Speaker 1: because we're like, surely we can make this electronic, you know,
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Speaker 1: shouldn't isn't that better for everyone? You need to have
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Speaker 1: the No, it has to be paper. I'm like, this
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Speaker 1: is crazy. This is only a few years ago. It's
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Speaker 1: not the distant past. I mean, it's like we're you know,
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Speaker 1: we're well into that, we're, you know, a quarter of
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Speaker 1: the way through the twenty first century. It's like, guys,
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Speaker 1: let's just forty five thousand actual printed pages. And then
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Speaker 1: I believe every page needed to be stamped with a
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Speaker 1: physical stamp. I mean, honestly, it's it's going to really
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Speaker 1: tire somebody out to do so much stamping.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're going to get some sort of repetitive
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Speaker 2: stress injury.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna get a repetitive stress injury from having
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Speaker 1: to stamp so many people stand up to the hospital
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Speaker 1: or something. I mean, that's that's too much. So I'm
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Speaker 1: not trying to blame the sort of individuals who are
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Speaker 1: doing this time because they are just following the rules.
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Speaker 1: So we have to change the rules, and it needs
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Speaker 1: to be I think in my view for you know,
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Speaker 1: old countries, but especially countries that have enjoyed prosperity for
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Speaker 1: a long time, it's extremely important to have what I
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Speaker 1: call sort of garbage collection of rules, which is to
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Speaker 1: re examine the rules and regulations and make sure that
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Speaker 1: they are clearly a net good and if there's any
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Speaker 1: doubt about the being that good, we should eliminate them
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Speaker 1: because otherwise we get to this point where everything is
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Speaker 1: illegal and so it's just absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Crazy, absolutely absolutely And it's not only about bureaucracy. It's
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Speaker 3: also about taxes. Germany has the highest taxes of all
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Speaker 3: OCD countries. So the normal German employee, he works half
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Speaker 3: of more than half of a year for the state.
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Speaker 3: You have to imagine that like with Texes plus social Security,
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Speaker 3: so more than half of the year you work for
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Speaker 3: this dysfunctioning state. Because like the state does not provide
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Speaker 3: the vital, the vital provisions for the people here, so
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Speaker 3: he doesn't provide for security, so we have like like
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Speaker 3: skyrocketing criminal rights here. He doesn't care about education, so
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Speaker 3: we have this same insane wokish leftish socialist agenda in
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Speaker 3: our educational system. So the young people they don't learn
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Speaker 3: anything in school, in university, et cetera. So they just
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Speaker 3: learn about gender study and they yeah, and no, really.
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Speaker 1: Like the impression that Germany had had a pretty good
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Speaker 1: education system that that was quite rigorous with you know,
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Speaker 1: the gymnasium and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: At least they used to at one point.
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Speaker 1: So but it sounds like this says, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: the work envirus has infected Germany quite badly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you have the the international standard of
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Speaker 3: PISA testing, right, So the PISA survey, so Germany, like
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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago was okay, scored okay, the
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Speaker 3: score okay, but now so we so we just plummeted
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Speaker 3: because because the survey showed that young people are not
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Speaker 3: able to properly do maths or speak or write German
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Speaker 3: and in some like in some states here in Germany,
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Speaker 3: you have to imagine they just abolished the writing grades
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Speaker 3: in terms to get the language grade right, so you
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Speaker 3: don't need to write German properly anymore. Because our entire
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Speaker 3: educational system has been deteriorating. And that is also the reason,
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Speaker 3: for instance, why young people they vote for for US now,
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Speaker 3: because they want to have a proper education and they
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Speaker 3: want to have back a proper educational system that that
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Speaker 3: that provides the young people with with the capabilities, and
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Speaker 3: that is also the reason why I so my personal
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Speaker 3: opinion is that we have to go back to a
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Speaker 3: merit based system, right, So we need to go back
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Speaker 3: to a merit based incentive system and go away from
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Speaker 3: all this socialist gender things being in our educational system.
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Speaker 3: The families and the parents they have the responsibility of
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Speaker 3: their children, and the schools and the university they have
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Speaker 3: the responsibility to give good education and that and not
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Speaker 3: all this vote socialist nonsensical gender stuff.
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Speaker 1: Sure, no, absolutely, I mean, the whole point of going
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Speaker 1: to school is to learn useful skills that help you
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Speaker 1: in life, help you be productive and understand the world.
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Speaker 1: And otherwise it's not a school, it's it's a it's
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Speaker 1: just a propaganda institution.
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Speaker 2: True.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, well, I mean that makes makes a
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Speaker 1: lot of sense, so let's see.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe maybe I can just go on because
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Speaker 3: I was I was just giving example of the educational
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Speaker 3: system where the state fails because because because our state,
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Speaker 3: the government collected the last year a record high of
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Speaker 3: income text. So they collected like around like above one
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Speaker 3: one trillion right of euros, so it is a record
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Speaker 3: high tex But the state they cannot they cannot handle
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Speaker 3: the expayer's money. So what do they do? So they
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Speaker 3: just throw the money out of the window. For immigration
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Speaker 3: in our social system for instance, So since twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 3: just to give you some numbers and also the audience
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Speaker 3: to have to have an idea what's going on here
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Speaker 3: in Germany, so we had an influx of almost seven
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Speaker 3: million people. Seven million people, but these are the officially counted.
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Speaker 2: So a million people. Wow, okay, so we have a.
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Speaker 3: Million people of influx since twenty fifteen, officially counted. And
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Speaker 3: then because the people they just just another funny numbers.
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Speaker 3: Our state allows people to throw away they passports before
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Speaker 3: they cross our borders that are protected and controlled. So
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Speaker 3: fifty seven almost sixty percent of the people coming into
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Speaker 3: our country through open border, they throw away their papers.
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Speaker 3: Why do they do that because once entered our country,
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Speaker 3: our funny country, with this funny immigration policy, they cannot
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Speaker 3: be deported anymore. So that's the reason why. So our state,
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Speaker 3: our government, like the Anguelamerical government and the last one,
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Speaker 3: they proclaimed a policy that everyone can choose to cross
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Speaker 3: our border to immigrate into our social security system and
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Speaker 3: cannot be deported afterwards because they threw away their passports.
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Speaker 3: I mean, like, how insane is that?
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Speaker 1: Well, it is very insane, but that's exactly what's happened
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Speaker 1: in the US. Yeah, I mean clearly there's there's you know,
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Speaker 1: there's a sort of i don't know, a sort of
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Speaker 1: far left agenda that's being pushed throughout Western civilization any
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Speaker 1: any place they can go, because the exactly exact same
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Speaker 1: thing was done in the US where and now they
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Speaker 1: are sort of calling people illegal immigrants, they call them undocumented.
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Speaker 1: And the reason they're undocumented is because they threw away
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Speaker 1: their passport, just like you're talking about. In fact, if
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Speaker 1: on the on the Mexican side of the border in
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Speaker 1: the US, there's a giant pile of discarded passports and
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Speaker 1: driver's licenses like a huge pile, because it's actually worse
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Speaker 1: to come in with a passport than to come in
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Speaker 1: with nothing. And then, just like in Germany, the the
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Speaker 1: Democrat government then gives massive amounts of money and support
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Speaker 1: to what they call undocumented But but then, but if
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Speaker 1: they're undocumented, we actually.
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Speaker 2: Have no idea.
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Speaker 1: If they are a murderer, rapist, we have no idea
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Speaker 1: because they are no documents, so we can't actually tell.
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Speaker 1: And so as a result, there's been has been a
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Speaker 1: massive influx of criminals into the US because and frankly,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wondering what's taking criminals so long to
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Speaker 1: come here? I mean, this is a talk. I mean,
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Speaker 1: America is a target rich environment. It's it's it's you know,
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Speaker 1: the can in America. It's so easy to steal things
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Speaker 1: in these wealthy neighborhoods. It's like the only thing that
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Speaker 1: is going to slow down how much you can steal
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Speaker 1: is is if you're back hurts from carrying out all
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Speaker 1: the goods. You know, it's like because you're just like
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Speaker 1: you're not a rubber You're just a moving company. So uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, like it seems like all the world's criminals
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Speaker 1: just come to America on that basis because it's such
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Speaker 1: an it's much easier to be a career criminal in
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Speaker 1: America than it is in other countries where there's not that.
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Speaker 2: Much to steal.
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Speaker 1: So, you know, so we've seen a massive increasing crime
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Speaker 1: in the US.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, may I, may I ask a question. So I
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Speaker 3: read I read that for instance, in California, by the way,
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Speaker 3: I'm very sorry what's happening there. It's terrible, terrible, and yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's terrible. But in the case of California that they
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Speaker 3: just lifted the prosecution of theft because you have so
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Speaker 3: many cases of theft, is it true?
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Speaker 1: Yes, The de factor situation in California is that theft
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Speaker 1: is almost never prosecuted. It's maybe one or two, maybe
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Speaker 1: one percent of the time is theft prosecuted. And and
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Speaker 1: even when it is prosecuted, that the criminals are let
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Speaker 1: out on bail immediately. So basically theft is legal in California.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah. Now, there was recently a
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Speaker 1: referendum in California to to make to make a crime,
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Speaker 1: to make stealing illegal again, which was and actually that
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Speaker 1: was a very popular and it passed so because it
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Speaker 1: was actually literally legal to steal anything under one thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: which means people could just walk into a store at
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Speaker 1: one thousand dollars at a time and take out anything
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Speaker 1: they want and if the if the storekeeper stopped them,
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Speaker 1: the storekeeper would be arrested. So this is literally like
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Speaker 1: the joker in Batman. It's like the criminals you know,
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Speaker 1: are in charge and the honor citizens are arrested.
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Speaker 2: It's just completely insane. Now. Like I said, the people
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Speaker 2: in California.
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Speaker 1: Did vote overwhelmingly to make theft illegal again, but astonishingly,
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Speaker 1: the governor of California, Governor Newsom, he was against the
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Speaker 1: making theft illegal, which is doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, but what what they're going to do is even
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Speaker 1: though it is technically illegal again, they the sort of
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Speaker 1: far left, will refuse to enforce it. So because because
26:11
Speaker 1: you really need two things for something to work.
26:13
Speaker 4: For laws to work, you need you need both the
26:16
Speaker 4: law and you need enforcement of the law. And if
26:19
Speaker 4: you don't have if you so, I mean, this is
26:22
Speaker 4: something that George Soros really figured out. I mean, he's
26:24
Speaker 4: he's sort of brilliant, brilliant guy, but honestly very you know,
26:28
Speaker 4: anti human. In my opinion is that you don't actually.
26:32
Speaker 1: Need to change the law, you just need to stop
26:33
Speaker 1: enforcement of the law, and and and that that does
26:37
Speaker 1: that does the trick. So so, but I think this
26:42
Speaker 1: there is somewhat of a reawakening in the US. And
26:45
Speaker 1: I think even in California people are tired of the
26:47
Speaker 1: tired of this, and they won't change. And I think
26:50
Speaker 1: that's that's really if you say, like what people are wondering,
26:54
Speaker 1: like why did.
26:56
Speaker 2: Why why did Donald Trump win?
26:58
Speaker 1: And it's and and it wasn't just a small victory
27:01
Speaker 1: in the U S elections this year. Uh, you know,
27:04
Speaker 1: President Trump won uh the electoral college. He also won
27:07
Speaker 1: the popular vote majority of the of the people. And
27:12
Speaker 1: that the House is Republican and the Senate is a Republican.
27:15
Speaker 1: What this says is the American people are demanding change.
27:20
Speaker 1: They're being very clear. And my recommendation too for the
27:24
Speaker 1: people in Germany is to do the same. If you
27:28
Speaker 1: if you're unhappy with the situation, you must vote for change.
27:32
Speaker 1: And that is why I'm really strongly recommending that people
27:35
Speaker 1: vote for a f D. That's my that's my strong recommendation.
27:40
Speaker 1: And I think this is simply the sense of Ale
27:43
Speaker 1: move and I think Alice Beetle is a very very
27:48
Speaker 1: reasonable person and hopefully people can tell just from this
27:51
Speaker 1: conversation like nothing outrageous is being proposed, just common sense.
27:58
Speaker 1: So in fact, as I've said publicly, I think only
28:03
Speaker 1: AfD can save Germany, and I just want to be
28:05
Speaker 1: very clear about that. Only a FD can save Germany,
28:09
Speaker 1: end of story. And people really need to get behind
28:12
Speaker 1: a FD and otherwise things are going to get very
28:15
Speaker 1: very much worse in Germany.
28:18
Speaker 3: Yes, because because you rightly said there is a difference
28:24
Speaker 3: of making a law and then enforcing it. So now
28:27
Speaker 3: we have the situation in Germany where you have on
28:30
Speaker 3: the one hand, you have the a f D and
28:32
Speaker 3: on the other hand what's so called the Uni parties, right,
28:36
Speaker 3: the Uni Party consisting of all the others because because
28:41
Speaker 3: they stick together and no matter what they say, they're
28:47
Speaker 3: not able to implement to enforce the promises they're doing
28:52
Speaker 3: in every election, especially the Anguela Meracle party. Do you
28:56
Speaker 3: know that the chances are candidates. So I saw my
29:00
Speaker 3: running mate of the christ Democratic Party that it's wrongly labeled,
29:06
Speaker 3: for instance by the economists as a center right party.
29:10
Speaker 3: So in my opinion, it's a Leftish Green Party. But anyway,
29:13
Speaker 3: Angel America was the first Green chancellor we had here.
29:16
Speaker 3: So what he did is that he, by the way,
29:22
Speaker 3: just talking about interference, so I just look it up here.
29:29
Speaker 3: He called your interests, so your interest in German politics
29:33
Speaker 3: pushy and presumptuous and yeah, yeah, exactly, and Bill Gates,
29:41
Speaker 3: so that it was not a problem when Bill Gates
29:46
Speaker 3: actually tried to sell his m aaron a vaccination and
29:51
Speaker 3: not mentioning all the huge side effects on people's health,
29:57
Speaker 3: and no one takes responsibility about and the entire bluff
30:02
Speaker 3: and scam of wearing a mask, right, So it's unbelievable.
30:09
Speaker 3: And also that candidate was the christ Democrats like Fridrich Meertz,
30:14
Speaker 3: he warned the world about the consequences of voting for
30:18
Speaker 3: Donald Trump in October last year, so so so far
30:23
Speaker 3: for like foreign interferences, right, So it's unbelievable. It's really unbelievable.
30:30
Speaker 3: Like how Donald Trump was treated by German media and
30:34
Speaker 3: German politicians during his election campaign was unbelievable. And I
30:41
Speaker 3: mentioned that before in a Bloomberg interview. It created for me,
30:46
Speaker 3: it created physical pain to see that how he was
30:49
Speaker 3: disparaged like and his entire family. So yeah, so I
30:55
Speaker 3: feel very sorry for these people, just like, yeah, saying
31:03
Speaker 3: negative things. And now while we talk, one hundred and
31:09
Speaker 3: fifty bureaucrats of the European Union are watching us our
31:13
Speaker 3: conversation to enforce this ridiculous Digital Services Act that is nothing,
31:23
Speaker 3: nothing else than a censorship on free speech. But free speech, right,
31:30
Speaker 3: and you said it. Free speech is a precondition of
31:33
Speaker 3: democracy if you are not able to form a proper
31:37
Speaker 3: opinion and exchange opinions and ideas, and a democracy should
31:43
Speaker 3: be a competition of the best ideas right compromises.
31:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
31:48
Speaker 1: Without freedom of speech, people are obviously not able to
31:52
Speaker 1: say what they want to say, and then they cannot
31:55
Speaker 1: make an informed vote. So if people are fed propaganda
32:01
Speaker 1: and have no access to what's really going on, then
32:05
Speaker 1: they can make an informed vote, and then that you
32:08
Speaker 1: don't have a real democracy. So that's why I say,
32:11
Speaker 1: you know, free speech is the bedrock of democracy. There
32:15
Speaker 1: must be free speech in order for people to make
32:17
Speaker 1: an informed vote.
32:19
Speaker 2: So that's essential.
32:21
Speaker 1: And you can sort of it's actually quite easy to
32:24
Speaker 1: tell who the bad guys are. It's like, who wants
32:26
Speaker 1: to shut down free freedom of speech? They are the
32:28
Speaker 1: bad guys. It's very clear.
32:32
Speaker 3: Yes, And do you know what what what adult Hitler did?
32:38
Speaker 3: The first thing he switched off free speech. Yes, so
32:44
Speaker 3: he controlled the media, and without that he would have
32:50
Speaker 3: never been successful. Yes, exactly, never been successful.
32:54
Speaker 1: Yes, what you do, yeah, no, exactly, it's that that
32:59
Speaker 1: was one of one of the first things he did
33:02
Speaker 1: was was to control the media and uh and imposed
33:06
Speaker 1: extreme censorship and uh and really what he was trying
33:12
Speaker 1: to do is shut down any pro semitic uh media,
33:16
Speaker 1: anything prosmatic or any defense of Jewish people was shut down.
33:21
Speaker 1: That's that's so, that's that's so we have, like you know,
33:25
Speaker 1: very few. You know, for those who who who want censorship,
33:28
Speaker 1: they should I think they should be careful what they
33:30
Speaker 1: what they asked for, because if once you institute censorship,
33:35
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time before that censorship is
33:37
Speaker 1: turned on you and eventually they will censor you. And
33:40
Speaker 1: that's the that's the danger because people love to censor
33:45
Speaker 1: things they don't agree with, but they don't realize that
33:48
Speaker 1: one day that censorship is going to be turned on out.
33:51
Speaker 1: So absolutely, yeah, So I mean I mean you mentioned
33:55
Speaker 1: of course, uh uh, you know, Hitler and whatnot. Now
33:59
Speaker 1: this a lot of the media wants to portray a
34:04
Speaker 1: FD as far right, as somehow associated with Nazism or
34:08
Speaker 1: something like that. Perhaps you could address that that concern,
34:12
Speaker 1: because you know, people when they have sort of right
34:15
Speaker 1: wing in Germany, they you know, naturally have a bit
34:19
Speaker 1: of a negative reaction.
34:21
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yes, thank you, thank you for that question.
34:27
Speaker 3: First of all, I would like to since I'm an economist,
34:35
Speaker 3: I would like to shed some light on the idea
34:39
Speaker 3: when we talk about Hitler, on the idea of the
34:43
Speaker 3: national Socialists back then during the Third Night, the national Socialist,
34:51
Speaker 3: as the word says, there were socialists.
34:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, nationalized industry. Is that crazy?
34:59
Speaker 4: Yes?
34:59
Speaker 3: Absolute. He was a communist and he considered himself as
35:04
Speaker 3: a socialist. So what they did they they they yeah,
35:12
Speaker 3: they is a state funded than the private companies. And
35:17
Speaker 3: then they asked for for Texas huge taxes. And then
35:23
Speaker 3: also wait a second into us in the word now, yeah,
35:29
Speaker 3: nationalize the entire industry. Yeah you said that before and
35:35
Speaker 3: and and the biggest success, the biggest success after that
35:40
Speaker 3: terrible era in our history, was to label Adolf Hitler
35:48
Speaker 3: as right and conservative. He was exactly the opposite. He
35:53
Speaker 3: wasn't a conservative, he wasn't a libertarian. He was a
35:58
Speaker 3: communist socialist guy. So full stop, no more comment on that.
36:05
Speaker 3: And we are exactly the opposite. We are a libertarian
36:08
Speaker 3: conservative party. And see look at this during like now
36:14
Speaker 3: like during the discussion of this terrible Hamas attack on Israel.
36:20
Speaker 3: So only the Leftish Palestinians they criticize the policies here.
36:28
Speaker 3: So you have a deeply vested anti Semitism within the
36:35
Speaker 3: Leftish movement. And it was always that case why and
36:40
Speaker 3: out of Hitler he also played with that. He played
36:43
Speaker 3: with the envy of people. Jewish people have been highly educated,
36:50
Speaker 3: very cultivated, and they were successful. There were wealthy people
36:54
Speaker 3: back in Germany then, and then he enforced the envy
36:59
Speaker 3: of the popular relation against these people, and it was
37:03
Speaker 3: a socialist measure taken against them. Look at Stalin, look
37:08
Speaker 3: at the Soviet Union under Stalin, the very same thing.
37:12
Speaker 3: So he was nothing else and an anti Semitic socialist.
37:16
Speaker 3: And we are exactly the opposite. We are a libertarian
37:20
Speaker 3: conservative party. We are wrongly framed the entire time, and
37:25
Speaker 3: we would like to free the people of the state.
37:29
Speaker 3: I want to have independently thinking people self confident people.
37:34
Speaker 3: I would like to have a state that is minimized,
37:37
Speaker 3: minimized to his functions and letting the people having their
37:44
Speaker 3: freedom of speech, freedom of wealth. Also like generating wealth.
37:49
Speaker 3: With these obnoxiously high taxes the people, the state erodes
37:55
Speaker 3: the backbone of wealth, right, so the people are not
38:00
Speaker 3: able to accumulate wealth that make them independent from the state.
38:05
Speaker 3: So I would like to have independently thinking, well educated
38:10
Speaker 3: people who have the freedom to form their own opinion.
38:15
Speaker 3: I want to have strong leaders in Germany. I don't
38:18
Speaker 3: want to have stupid week leaders as we had in
38:21
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, because these people cannot think
38:25
Speaker 3: straightly and they're a big danger. Look at the war
38:29
Speaker 3: in Ukraine now. They're a big danger to our national
38:33
Speaker 3: security and actually to the entire European security. This is
38:39
Speaker 3: also my hope in Donald Trump and in you in
38:44
Speaker 3: your administration, that you end that terrible war, this worthless
38:50
Speaker 3: versus dying of young people every day, like as fast
38:54
Speaker 3: as you can, because the Europeans they cannot. They're actually
38:58
Speaker 3: given up on everything, like on a good military, on
39:01
Speaker 3: a good negotiator, negotiation power that completely depend on the US.
39:08
Speaker 3: In the sense of oh, the USA need to do
39:13
Speaker 3: the entire job. We don't need to do anything. We
39:16
Speaker 3: just escalate the entire conflict against Russia. It's very dangerous
39:23
Speaker 3: what's going on here, and only you can you can
39:27
Speaker 3: you can basically stop it.
39:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think President Trump is is gonna,
39:33
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to solve that that conflict, I
39:36
Speaker 1: think very quickly. As you point out, it's now been
39:40
Speaker 1: in somewhat of a stalemate for a few years. And
39:43
Speaker 1: all that's happened over the past few years is hundreds
39:45
Speaker 1: of thousands of people dying but for no gains. And
39:50
Speaker 1: the longer this conflict goes on, the more Ukraine weekends
39:55
Speaker 1: relative to Russia. I mean, Ukraine is a much smaller country.
39:58
Speaker 1: It simply cannot afford the lasses relative to Russia Russia has.
40:03
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it's this.
40:06
Speaker 1: This is the longer the strikes one, the worst it
40:08
Speaker 1: is for Ukraine. And then you've got all these poor,
40:12
Speaker 1: you know, men dying for nothing. Why so I hope
40:21
Speaker 1: this can be this terrible conflict can be resolved quickly,
40:24
Speaker 1: and I think it will be under President Trump.
40:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be great, actually, because this is our
40:30
Speaker 3: note really like that the people here like many people
40:35
Speaker 3: are anxious, and they're anxious for a very good reason,
40:40
Speaker 3: I think, because this conflict, conflict has the potential to
40:45
Speaker 3: escalate big time towards a nuclear exchange. And here the
40:51
Speaker 3: European governments they have no measure, They have no strategy,
40:54
Speaker 3: they have no red line, no storyline of their foreign
40:59
Speaker 3: and security policy towards Russia, towards Ukraine. They have no
41:04
Speaker 3: strategy to end that. And they don't have the military power, right,
41:09
Speaker 3: so they underspand the budget to NATO for actually for decades,
41:15
Speaker 3: like for for a very long time, like the average
41:19
Speaker 3: for instance of Germany, because the share of GDP is
41:23
Speaker 3: supposed to be two percent, so Germany on average, I
41:27
Speaker 3: think it's just like slightly above one percent. So Germany
41:32
Speaker 3: didn't contribute. But Germany is also not prudent of the
41:38
Speaker 3: defendants of our own country. So this is the second thing.
41:43
Speaker 3: So we are we are, we are completely dependent on
41:46
Speaker 3: the US. But I think, and I've listened to this
41:50
Speaker 3: very interesting speech of JD. Vans. He said he doesn't
41:56
Speaker 3: want to he doesn't want to have client states, right, yeah,
42:00
Speaker 3: so he wants to have independent states who who that
42:08
Speaker 3: also form their own independent opinion on things. Right. So
42:13
Speaker 3: you you you, for instance, in your companies, you don't
42:17
Speaker 3: want to be surrounded by yes people and by mediocre people, right,
42:22
Speaker 3: So me neither. I try to require Yeah, so I
42:26
Speaker 3: try to also, I try to to to to have
42:31
Speaker 3: the best people in my team. Uh. And these best
42:35
Speaker 3: people they have the task to criticize me every day.
42:38
Speaker 3: And I don't want to have yes sayers, right because
42:42
Speaker 3: you cannot learn, so you have no correction. Yes, yes,
42:51
Speaker 3: that's yes, yes people. No, but it's so but it's
42:56
Speaker 3: so important yeah.
42:58
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, no absolutely.
43:02
Speaker 1: I mean, for say, my companies like SpaceX and Tesla,
43:05
Speaker 1: if you know, if if if we are constantly looking
43:10
Speaker 1: for critical feedback, because if we make a mistake, then
43:12
Speaker 1: the rockets blow up and the cars don't work.
43:15
Speaker 2: So uh, you know, physics is very unforgiving.
43:19
Speaker 1: You know, there's you know, I say, like, really, physics
43:21
Speaker 1: is the law and everything else is a recommendation, because
43:25
Speaker 1: I've seen people break every kind of law, but I
43:28
Speaker 1: haven't seen them break physics. And so if you don't
43:31
Speaker 1: get the design of the rocket and the opposite operation
43:33
Speaker 1: of the rocket exactly right, and.
43:35
Speaker 2: If even one thing is wrong, the rocket explodes. So
43:40
Speaker 2: you know, that's what.
43:40
Speaker 1: I'm a strong believer in seeking critical feedback, and in fact,
43:43
Speaker 1: I think critical feedback should be viewed as a gift.
43:47
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so well no, no, but but
43:56
Speaker 5: just just just to continue on that topic.
44:01
Speaker 3: So if you don't have that feedback loop, so your
44:07
Speaker 3: your rocket may explode. Right. But here in this critical
44:11
Speaker 3: phase of this terrible war in the Ukraine, Ah, many
44:17
Speaker 3: people may die due to the stupid policies that make
44:21
Speaker 3: people have diet.
44:22
Speaker 1: Yeah indeed, yeah, so well, the story I touched on
44:28
Speaker 1: some some maybe potential what people may view as hot
44:31
Speaker 1: button issues like what are what are your views on Israel?
44:36
Speaker 3: Oh? Very complicated the more really, like the more the
44:43
Speaker 3: more I read about the Middle East and the situation
44:47
Speaker 3: in Israel, the more complicated it gets. And to be honest,
44:52
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you about a potential solution because
44:57
Speaker 3: to be honest, like in my humble opinion, I don't
45:00
Speaker 3: see as a solution. So maybe maybe in Israel have
45:08
Speaker 3: to find some alliances with the Sunni States, maybe if possible.
45:16
Speaker 3: And yeah, to be honest, from my point of view,
45:21
Speaker 3: like from my perspective, it's a very complicated situation and
45:25
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I'm not this person. I'm not
45:29
Speaker 3: a politician. If you ask a question that I do this,
45:33
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, I really say what I think. To
45:38
Speaker 3: do honest politics, and to be honest, I don't know
45:45
Speaker 3: very like to be very frank, I don't know how
45:48
Speaker 3: to solve the conflict at this point in time. And
45:52
Speaker 3: I hope maybe you have an answer on that. Sorry
45:56
Speaker 3: for for being dissatisfactory, but it's so comple picated, and
46:02
Speaker 3: I want to give pudent answer, and in case of Israel,
46:05
Speaker 3: I don't know how to resource this conflict. To be honest.
46:10
Speaker 1: Well, well, I guess maybe another way to say it is,
46:12
Speaker 1: do you unercerfectly support the existence of the state of Israel? Yes,
46:16
Speaker 1: of course, Okay, that's what people want to know. So
46:23
Speaker 1: questions that seemed very obvious, but you know.
46:26
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, oh yes, now, no, I know I
46:31
Speaker 3: see it this question. No, absolutely, So we need to
46:35
Speaker 3: protect the existence of Israel, and we need to protect
46:40
Speaker 3: not only the existence of the state of Israel. I
46:44
Speaker 3: also think that Benjamin Natanyao have made many mistakes in
46:48
Speaker 3: the past, to be honest, but we also need to
46:53
Speaker 3: take our responsibility as a German nation state to protect
46:57
Speaker 3: Jewish life, Jewish people in our country who are exposed
47:02
Speaker 3: right now to uh to, to must Muslim crime. Right,
47:11
Speaker 3: so they're not safe here anymore. So you I don't
47:16
Speaker 3: know if you if you saw some videos here of
47:22
Speaker 3: the streets of Berlin. I'm right now in my office
47:24
Speaker 3: in Berlin. But like with all these demonstrations of the
47:30
Speaker 3: Palestinians here, well, a Jew could not walk through the
47:38
Speaker 3: street anymore, right, and we have have a huge potential
47:43
Speaker 3: of anti Semitic crime against the Jewish people. And to
47:49
Speaker 3: be very frank, to be very frank, here, the a
47:53
Speaker 3: f D is the only protector. And I'm saying that
47:59
Speaker 3: like very very frankly, the alternative FI Deutschland, the AFT
48:04
Speaker 3: is the only can only be the only protector of
48:08
Speaker 3: the Jewish people within here in Germany. Because the UNI Party,
48:11
Speaker 3: all others parties, they did exactly the opposite. They led
48:17
Speaker 3: like millions of people and they let do let them
48:22
Speaker 3: do crimes on our streets, like the crime rate our skyrocketing.
48:27
Speaker 3: And so the Jewish people they leave our country. When
48:30
Speaker 3: I when I talked to my Jewish friends who live
48:34
Speaker 3: in Germany and in Switzerland and in France and in Austria.
48:38
Speaker 3: They were very afraid after the Hamas attack on the
48:44
Speaker 3: seventh of October, because they were there. They were afraid
48:49
Speaker 3: that they would likely to be attacked by by Palestinians,
48:55
Speaker 3: by Hamas supporters, or by the Antifa, or by the
48:59
Speaker 3: leftish or is, I don't know, but they were very afraid,
49:03
Speaker 3: very sensitive going on the streets. And we we step
49:09
Speaker 3: up for the people, even though the opposite in the
49:13
Speaker 3: mainstream media, the opposite is claimed. But this is this
49:19
Speaker 3: is this is not true. It's just a is just
49:22
Speaker 3: a lie about our party.
49:25
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's That's what I wanted to just
49:27
Speaker 1: make it clear that that the AFT is being massively misrepresented,
49:32
Speaker 1: especially in the in the Western media. So yeah, and
49:37
Speaker 1: you know, and and and no, obviously I very much
49:40
Speaker 1: support the state of Israel, but I mean I also
49:42
Speaker 1: believe that that we want to be mindful and and
49:47
Speaker 1: have empathy for you know, civilians who are who are
49:51
Speaker 1: dying as well. Uh the you know, when I've had
49:54
Speaker 1: conversations with the Prime Minister and the YAHOO and I think,
49:59
Speaker 1: I say, pret largely agree. I mean, there's see, there's
50:01
Speaker 1: there's really there's three steps, which is like you're there's
50:05
Speaker 1: there's no choice but to eliminate those who wish to
50:10
Speaker 1: eliminate the state of Israel, you know, most essentially. But
50:15
Speaker 1: then and and then the second step is to fix
50:17
Speaker 1: the education so that uh, you know, people the palest
50:21
Speaker 1: unions are not trained from when they are children to
50:25
Speaker 1: to hate and want the death of Israel. So you've
50:28
Speaker 1: got to fix the education system. And and then the
50:31
Speaker 1: third thing, which is also very important, is to make
50:35
Speaker 1: the palestinion areas prosperous. This is the third step is
50:39
Speaker 1: very important. And and this this may this is maybe
50:43
Speaker 1: the hardest step, which is uh, but you have to
50:47
Speaker 1: have that third step. You have to bring prosperity. You
50:51
Speaker 1: have to help rebuild, and you have to bring prosperity.
50:54
Speaker 1: And I've had this conversation with with many people in Israel.
50:57
Speaker 1: I said that third step is essential and and then
51:03
Speaker 1: they've asked me, well when has this worked? And I'm like, well,
51:05
Speaker 1: give you a very big example. You know, after World
51:08
Speaker 1: War One, the Treaty of Versailles was extremely unfair to
51:12
Speaker 1: Germany and it created a massive amount of resentment. And
51:16
Speaker 1: the Treaty of Versailles laid the foundation with its extreme
51:20
Speaker 1: reparations for laid the foundation of World War two. Without
51:26
Speaker 1: the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler would not have succeeded. And yes,
51:31
Speaker 1: and and so and then but if you look at
51:33
Speaker 1: so so, then the lesson was learned. So then after
51:35
Speaker 1: World War two, when Germany and Japan were defeated, UH,
51:41
Speaker 1: the U. S. Actually helped rebuild Japan and Germany, providing
51:46
Speaker 1: financial support to rebuild Japan and Germany. And now Japan
51:50
Speaker 1: and Germany are allies. And and this is a very
51:55
Speaker 1: important and fundamental lesson of history.
52:00
Speaker 3: Yes, you're absolutely right. When after the the Hamas attack,
52:07
Speaker 3: I I just opened Google Maps to have a look. Okay,
52:12
Speaker 3: what is the geographic situation there? And when you see
52:17
Speaker 3: the Gaza stripe right, it's the Gaza stripe which is
52:22
Speaker 3: just locked locked in with no resources and not even
52:30
Speaker 3: water supplies, so there can be cut off a water
52:32
Speaker 3: supply and and other supplies just like just just like instantaneously.
52:40
Speaker 3: And this construction also like like just having a look
52:45
Speaker 3: like from from a geographic perspective, you don't need to
52:50
Speaker 3: be very smart that this is this is not going
52:52
Speaker 3: to work out and to make this area wealthy with
53:00
Speaker 3: with specific measure being taken, King taken. It's a very
53:05
Speaker 3: vital first step.
53:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it's essential.
53:12
Speaker 1: It requires overwriting the natural human instinct for reciprocity, which
53:16
Speaker 1: is that you know, it's basically an eye for an eye,
53:20
Speaker 1: you know. But the problem with that an I for
53:21
Speaker 1: an eye is that if you keep doing that, an
53:23
Speaker 1: iph and eye, as a saying goes an iPhone, ie
53:25
Speaker 1: makes everyone blind. That's why I think there's great wisdom
53:29
Speaker 1: to forgiveness. You know, you need both strength and forgiveness.
53:36
Speaker 1: But this is the only way to stop the endless
53:40
Speaker 1: cycle of violence.
53:42
Speaker 3: M hm. It's a very nice, nice sentence, like the
53:47
Speaker 3: ipho and I makes makes everyone blind?
53:51
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So yeah, so hopefully that that that can
53:56
Speaker 1: be the future. That's the best future I can think of.
53:59
Speaker 1: I think any there's there's not some other future. That's
54:03
Speaker 1: that's that's that that works.
54:07
Speaker 3: So so how about may I ask you another question?
54:14
Speaker 3: Because we just jump topics, what is your point of view?
54:20
Speaker 3: So so, so we stopped that your administration will end
54:28
Speaker 3: the war in Ukraine very swiftly, but what is what
54:34
Speaker 3: is your perspective on the instruments and measures that could
54:39
Speaker 3: be taken? So would you like to talk about it.
54:44
Speaker 3: Can you talk about it a little bit? So what
54:46
Speaker 3: we could expect.
54:49
Speaker 1: Well, this is to be clear, I mean this this
54:51
Speaker 1: is up to President Trump. You know, here is the
54:56
Speaker 1: cinder in chief, and so it's it's really uh, you know,
55:02
Speaker 1: you know, after him.
55:03
Speaker 2: So I don't want I don't want to speak for him.
55:06
Speaker 1: So but but but I you know, I just I
55:10
Speaker 1: do think that there's there, there is a path here
55:12
Speaker 1: to a resolution, and but it does require strong leadership
55:18
Speaker 1: in the United States, uh, in order to get this done.
55:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
55:23
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'm confident that it can be done, okay,
55:31
Speaker 1: And I do think it's possible to have peace in
55:33
Speaker 1: the Middle East as well. These are these are possible,
55:36
Speaker 1: so and I think that would be a great future.
55:39
Speaker 2: For the world.
55:41
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, no, great, So it's absolutely fair. So
55:50
Speaker 3: so very very fine with me.
55:56
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, let's see, are there any other topics we
55:59
Speaker 1: should discuss or if you have any questions for me
56:02
Speaker 1: or anything you think?
56:04
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, because because because I want to ask
56:09
Speaker 3: and many people are interested in that. So why do
56:13
Speaker 3: you believe that flying to Mars and popular Mars is
56:22
Speaker 3: your top priority topic? Space X? And when do you
56:29
Speaker 3: think when will you be ready to have a human
56:34
Speaker 3: expedition to Mars, if you, if you allow, if I
56:39
Speaker 3: may ask this question, because everyone is interested. So these
56:42
Speaker 3: are great projects.
56:43
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Well, I mean I think at a very
56:50
Speaker 1: high level, I think sort of like, what what sort
56:53
Speaker 1: of actions are going to lead to the long term
56:59
Speaker 1: prosperity of civilization, you know, the sort of a growth
57:05
Speaker 1: in the scale and scope of consciousness, you know, the
57:09
Speaker 1: to the best of our knowledge, there we're we're the
57:13
Speaker 1: only place with life, or certainly the only place with
57:16
Speaker 1: life that that is intelligent in some form. A lot
57:20
Speaker 1: of people think, oh, this, there must be aliens, but
57:22
Speaker 1: I've not seen any evidence of aliens. And if the
57:27
Speaker 1: archaeological records are correct, you know, Earth is one a
57:30
Speaker 1: half billion years old, but civilization as measured from the
57:34
Speaker 1: first writing is only about five thousand years old, which
57:37
Speaker 1: is about one million of Earth's existence. So we're all
57:41
Speaker 1: of human civilization is a tiny flash in the pan
57:44
Speaker 1: so far. And so we are to say, well, what
57:47
Speaker 1: steps can we take to ensure the long term survival
57:51
Speaker 1: of of life as we know of consciousness, and if
57:56
Speaker 1: we are a multiplanet species, the probable life span of
58:00
Speaker 1: conciousness is dramatically greater than if we are single planet species.
58:04
Speaker 1: This is not to say that I think that that
58:07
Speaker 1: Earth is about to die or anything like that, but
58:10
Speaker 1: there is some risk, you know, if there is if
58:13
Speaker 1: there is a global thermon nuclear war, or some extreme
58:16
Speaker 1: natural event like a giant you know, media that hits
58:20
Speaker 1: the Earth that causes a mass extinction event. I mean,
58:23
Speaker 1: if we look at the fossil record, there are at
58:26
Speaker 1: least five extreme mass extinction events that would have just
58:31
Speaker 1: basically extinction events that would have destroyed all of humanity completely.
58:36
Speaker 1: There's five of them at least, and so so I
58:42
Speaker 1: think if we we should take this opportunity today because
58:47
Speaker 1: for the first time in the four and a half
58:49
Speaker 1: billion year history of Earth, it is possible to extend
58:52
Speaker 1: life and to extend consciousness beyond Earth. And that window
58:57
Speaker 1: of opportunity may be open for a short or it
59:00
Speaker 1: may be open for a long time, but just just
59:03
Speaker 1: in case, uh it is open for a short time,
59:07
Speaker 1: we must take advantage of this window.
59:08
Speaker 3: What is your time frame for for expedition, like for
59:15
Speaker 3: the first first human expedition.
59:21
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to be clear that what matters is not
59:24
Speaker 1: so much the sort of flags and footprints, but the
59:27
Speaker 1: establishment of a self sustaining city on Mars, where the
59:32
Speaker 1: critical threshold is where the city can grow independent of Earth.
59:38
Speaker 1: Meaning if the resupply shifts from Earth stopped coming for
59:41
Speaker 1: any reason, that the that the the Mars colony does
59:47
Speaker 1: not die out. That that's if we are able to
59:50
Speaker 1: reach that point, then we have we have passed one
59:55
Speaker 1: of the very important and fundamental fermi Grate filters. You know,
1:00:01
Speaker 1: there's this idea of like, well, why don't we see
1:00:04
Speaker 1: evidence of it, of intelligence life.
1:00:06
Speaker 2: Well that.
1:00:08
Speaker 1: There's this idea that there are these various great filtures
1:00:11
Speaker 1: that that these civilizations never pass. And one of those
1:00:15
Speaker 1: great filtures is never never going beyond your home planet.
1:00:18
Speaker 1: So if we can pass the FIRMI a great filter
1:00:20
Speaker 1: of being a single planet species. And to be clear,
1:00:24
Speaker 1: if we are a single planet species, it is just
1:00:27
Speaker 1: a matter of time before we are annihilated. One can
1:00:31
Speaker 1: argue about how long it will take, but eventually there
1:00:34
Speaker 1: will be something that happens that annihilates civilization. It might
1:00:40
Speaker 1: be very foreign in the future, but we simply know
1:00:44
Speaker 1: from the fossil record. As I mentioned that there have
1:00:46
Speaker 1: been at least five mass to natural extinction events, and
1:00:49
Speaker 1: I think there's there's added risk for humans that we
1:00:52
Speaker 1: could destroy ourselves because the dinosaurs did not have the
1:00:57
Speaker 1: manuclear weapons, so they also didn't have spaceships. So we've
1:01:04
Speaker 1: got we've got the risk of of the minuclear war
1:01:08
Speaker 1: that could destroy everyone, but we also have spaceships that
1:01:11
Speaker 1: can make life multiplanetary and so the But to answer
1:01:17
Speaker 1: a question more directly, I think we can send uncrewed
1:01:21
Speaker 1: starships to Mars in approximately two years.
1:01:24
Speaker 2: So Earth and Mars are to be Earth and Mars.
1:01:28
Speaker 1: Align for planetary transfer roughly every month, every two years,
1:01:34
Speaker 1: every twenty six two years, two years. Yes, So the
1:01:39
Speaker 1: Earth obviously takes a year to go around the Sun,
1:01:42
Speaker 1: Mars takes approximately two years, and obviously one cannot go
1:01:47
Speaker 1: to Mars when it is on the other side of
1:01:49
Speaker 1: the Sun from Earth. So have we have to wait
1:01:52
Speaker 1: for when Mars is in roughly the same quadrant of
1:01:56
Speaker 1: the Solar System as Earth, and that occurs uh for
1:02:01
Speaker 1: about six months every two years, and the optimal transfer
1:02:04
Speaker 1: window is typically just a few months. So for a
1:02:08
Speaker 1: few months every two years or every twenty six months,
1:02:12
Speaker 1: you can you can transfer to Mars.
1:02:15
Speaker 2: So so we're.
1:02:16
Speaker 1: Currently there's currently a Mars transfer transfer window, which means
1:02:19
Speaker 1: that the next one is in two years from now,
1:02:23
Speaker 1: and then there will be another one two years after that.
1:02:26
Speaker 1: So for the one in two years, I think we
1:02:28
Speaker 1: can send uncrewed starships to land on Mars to to
1:02:32
Speaker 1: test that we the landing systems are working properly. We
1:02:38
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we don't, you know, add
1:02:41
Speaker 1: add more craters to Mars. Yeah, uh yeah, the crater
1:02:51
Speaker 1: account increment must be zero. And so once we prove
1:02:57
Speaker 1: better is safe to land, then if I like, for
1:03:00
Speaker 1: all these shops we send in about two years land
1:03:03
Speaker 1: safely and we think we understand the issues, then in
1:03:06
Speaker 1: principle that in about four years you could send the
1:03:09
Speaker 1: first people and then then well the number of ships
1:03:14
Speaker 1: can expand exponentially from the From that point I mean
1:03:18
Speaker 1: as as a rough order of magnitude, my guess is that, uh,
1:03:23
Speaker 1: we need to transport about a million about a million
1:03:25
Speaker 1: tons of cargo to Mars to make it self sustaining.
1:03:30
Speaker 1: You know, when things are very uncertain, I think if
1:03:32
Speaker 1: you can even guess to within one order of magnitude,
1:03:35
Speaker 1: you're doing quite well. So I suspect probably one hundred
1:03:38
Speaker 1: thousand tons is maybe not enough and hopefully we don't
1:03:41
Speaker 1: need ten million tons. So therefore my guess is hopefully
1:03:44
Speaker 1: a million tons is enough to make million people or more.
1:03:49
Speaker 2: So that's that's really what matters.
1:03:51
Speaker 1: The critical threshold from the standpoint of a fundamental branching
1:03:56
Speaker 1: of the future of civilization.
1:03:58
Speaker 2: Is is that.
1:04:00
Speaker 1: That point of reaching on Mars, where Mars can grow
1:04:04
Speaker 1: by itself, even if resupply shifts from Earth stop coming.
1:04:08
Speaker 1: At that point, the future of civilization branches and to
1:04:13
Speaker 1: a good branch, and the probable lifespan of civilization is
1:04:17
Speaker 1: dramatically greater. And my guess is that there will be
1:04:22
Speaker 1: cases where the future Martians actually come and help and
1:04:26
Speaker 1: rescue Earth. And you know, when there is an emergency,
1:04:31
Speaker 1: you know, just as America has helped to rescue the
1:04:34
Speaker 1: rest of the world in World War one and two
1:04:35
Speaker 1: and the Cold War, And you know, where would the
1:04:39
Speaker 1: world be if not for America helping out in those
1:04:43
Speaker 1: three circumstances. So I think that there's a good chance
1:04:48
Speaker 1: Mars helps save Earth at some point in the future,
1:04:50
Speaker 1: maybe many times. And then once we have a civilization
1:04:55
Speaker 1: of Mars, we can expand to the rest of the
1:04:57
Speaker 1: Solar System, to the you know, the larger asteroids like CERAs,
1:05:04
Speaker 1: maybe to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and beyond
1:05:07
Speaker 1: at least through the rest of the Solar System. And then,
1:05:12
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then we go from being
1:05:14
Speaker 1: hopefully a multi planet civilization to at some point a
1:05:17
Speaker 1: multi stellar civilization, and we're out there among the stars,
1:05:21
Speaker 1: and then we can try to find out what is
1:05:24
Speaker 1: the nature.
1:05:26
Speaker 2: Of the universe.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: You know, perhaps perhaps when we go to and visit
1:05:31
Speaker 1: these far away star systems, we will discover the remains
1:05:35
Speaker 1: of long dead alien civilizations. I think that would be
1:05:39
Speaker 1: incredibly interesting. But Pusher, it will greatly improve our understanding
1:05:43
Speaker 1: of the nature of universe. Dramatic person, Yes, so, and
1:05:48
Speaker 1: and things like the time skills are just remarkable to
1:05:51
Speaker 1: think about. In physics suggests that the universe is about
1:05:55
Speaker 1: thirteen point eight billion years old. And I mean, even
1:06:00
Speaker 1: the elements in our body that aren't hydrogen, that that
1:06:05
Speaker 1: they like in any heavier elements had to be formed
1:06:08
Speaker 1: in in the center of a star.
1:06:11
Speaker 2: And so the you know, the a.
1:06:13
Speaker 1: Large part of our body was actually formed in the
1:06:16
Speaker 1: in the center of a star, and that star exploded
1:06:19
Speaker 1: and then the elements recondensed. Ultimately billions of years later
1:06:23
Speaker 1: to form Earth and humans. So but just so when
1:06:30
Speaker 1: you think about these time scales that were really remarkable
1:06:32
Speaker 1: to think about. But a civilization that lasted a million
1:06:37
Speaker 1: years so our civilization, you know, like I said, I
1:06:39
Speaker 1: think a good metric for saying what when does the
1:06:42
Speaker 1: civilization start?
1:06:44
Speaker 2: I think is maybe writing.
1:06:46
Speaker 1: You know, that's if you're going to pick anything, I'd
1:06:48
Speaker 1: pick that that's only five thousand years ago. So so
1:06:53
Speaker 1: for civilizations, like I said, last and incremental million years,
1:06:57
Speaker 1: that's that's an enormous amount of time as compared to
1:07:01
Speaker 1: the length of human civilization, but it's very small compared
1:07:05
Speaker 1: to the age of the universe. You'd have to go
1:07:08
Speaker 1: three digits past the decimal point of thirteen point eight
1:07:11
Speaker 1: million years just to increment one million years. So I
1:07:16
Speaker 1: think we may find when we go out there and
1:07:18
Speaker 1: explore these star systems that there were alien civilizations. Maybe
1:07:21
Speaker 1: they lasted for millions of years, much longer than we've lasted.
1:07:26
Speaker 1: And I think any civilization that can last a million
1:07:29
Speaker 1: years is going to be in the hall of fame.
1:07:31
Speaker 2: This is this is an incredibly long time.
1:07:35
Speaker 1: So anyway, and I think, as you know, for humanity,
1:07:39
Speaker 1: we don't want to be one of those lame one
1:07:40
Speaker 1: planet civilizations, Like you know, any self respecting civilization should
1:07:45
Speaker 1: have at least two planets.
1:07:47
Speaker 2: So that's that's what we should aim for.
1:07:52
Speaker 3: Wow, if you so, you just said that the human
1:07:59
Speaker 3: body prices of elements of an exploit and then reordered elements. Right,
1:08:08
Speaker 3: So do you do you think that this coincidentally happened
1:08:14
Speaker 3: or do you believe in God? I'm just curious because
1:08:18
Speaker 3: because because many people say, Okay, this cannot have been
1:08:23
Speaker 3: a coincidence, that cannot write. So it just could have
1:08:30
Speaker 3: been God. So do you believe in God?
1:08:34
Speaker 1: Well, I'm open to be living in things proportionate to
1:08:40
Speaker 1: the information that I receive. So so, I mean, I
1:08:44
Speaker 1: guess I have sort of a physics view of reality,
1:08:47
Speaker 1: which is, you know, you know, I guess I'm trying
1:08:52
Speaker 1: to try.
1:08:53
Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
1:08:53
Speaker 1: Understand the universe as much as possible, to understand what's
1:08:56
Speaker 1: going on.
1:08:57
Speaker 2: I'm certainly open to the idea of God.
1:08:59
Speaker 1: And if you say, like, well, where did the universe
1:09:02
Speaker 1: come from?
1:09:03
Speaker 2: How is it created?
1:09:06
Speaker 3: What?
1:09:07
Speaker 1: I suppose there would be some entity that that you
1:09:12
Speaker 1: could call God, I would I don't know, but but
1:09:17
Speaker 1: there's that's a separate question from say, is is there
1:09:19
Speaker 1: some actual that is observing our daily actions and rendering
1:09:23
Speaker 1: rendering a moral verdict on what we do from day
1:09:25
Speaker 1: to day. That doesn't appear to be the case, because
1:09:30
Speaker 1: you know, at least there's some very evil things that
1:09:33
Speaker 1: happened in the world, and if if there's someone observing
1:09:36
Speaker 1: us on a moral basis continually, then it does seem
1:09:40
Speaker 1: odd that some very evil things are allowed to occur.
1:09:46
Speaker 2: But but maybe that is the case. I don't know.
1:09:48
Speaker 1: I just I try to form my opinions based on
1:09:51
Speaker 1: what I learned, and as I learned moreh I aspire
1:09:54
Speaker 1: to change my views to match what I learned.
1:09:58
Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, same year. To be honest, I'm still
1:10:04
Speaker 3: on a search and I I don't know what to believe.
1:10:11
Speaker 3: So it's called maybe a agnostic and yeah, but it's
1:10:17
Speaker 3: very interesting to see how how the world and also
1:10:21
Speaker 3: the universe evolved, and yeah, it was it was incredibly
1:10:27
Speaker 3: interesting to listen to your visions and yeah, it's it's
1:10:33
Speaker 3: quite a vision for for for every one of us.
1:10:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that what I have is a
1:10:38
Speaker 1: philosophy of curiosity. So I'm curious about the nature of
1:10:42
Speaker 1: the Universe. And I would say I subscribed to the
1:10:46
Speaker 1: Douglas Adams school of philosophy that was described in the
1:10:49
Speaker 1: Hittigers Guys in the Galaxy, you know, and dur in
1:10:54
Speaker 1: that book, the Earth was sort of a giant computer
1:10:57
Speaker 1: that was trying to answer.
1:10:59
Speaker 2: The question what is the meaning of life?
1:11:01
Speaker 1: And then it comes back with the forty forty two
1:11:04
Speaker 1: and they're like, what does forty two mean? And it's well,
1:11:07
Speaker 1: it's actually the answer is the easy part and the
1:11:11
Speaker 1: question is the hard part.
1:11:13
Speaker 2: So you know, that was actually quite.
1:11:16
Speaker 1: An illuminating thing for me because that had sort of
1:11:20
Speaker 1: an existential crisis when I was twelve or thirteen about
1:11:24
Speaker 1: the meaning of life. And you know, I read I
1:11:26
Speaker 1: read many the religious texts and the books on philosophy.
1:11:32
Speaker 1: You know, it's like reading shop Now a niche and whatnot,
1:11:35
Speaker 1: which is a bit depressing if you're to read as
1:11:37
Speaker 1: a child, but you.
1:11:40
Speaker 3: Know why, well why they're a bit negative, so.
1:11:49
Speaker 1: At times, you know, it's actually it makes more sense
1:11:52
Speaker 1: reading it as an adult. But then I read the
1:11:55
Speaker 1: hit Tracks Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a
1:11:57
Speaker 1: book in philosophy in the form of humor, and and
1:12:00
Speaker 1: I think it kind of really that that I thought
1:12:04
Speaker 1: was very insightful, that that we should basically try to
1:12:09
Speaker 1: understand the nature of the universe and in fact understand
1:12:12
Speaker 1: even what questions to ask about the answer that is
1:12:14
Speaker 1: the universe. And so that led me to conclude that
1:12:18
Speaker 1: we should aspire to expand the scope and scale of
1:12:22
Speaker 1: consciousness so that we're better able to to know what
1:12:27
Speaker 1: questions to ask about the nature about the answer that
1:12:29
Speaker 1: is the universe. So we should we should just seem
1:12:34
Speaker 1: to take the set of actions that lead to a
1:12:36
Speaker 1: great understanding.
1:12:39
Speaker 2: Of the universe.
1:12:42
Speaker 3: Wonderful. Actually, these are these are perfect last words to
1:12:48
Speaker 3: be honest for all conversation because because because I don't
1:12:52
Speaker 3: know right now, like what to what to continue, because
1:12:58
Speaker 3: he said, well really because these words are so beautiful,
1:13:02
Speaker 3: so I would just like screw it up. And it
1:13:06
Speaker 3: was wonderful. It was very It was wonderful talking to
1:13:10
Speaker 3: you and listening to your views of mankind and also
1:13:16
Speaker 3: to to to have an idea of your vision. It's
1:13:20
Speaker 3: very visionary. And yeah, thank you so much.
1:13:24
Speaker 1: Well, it's been a pleasure speaking and I hope where
1:13:25
Speaker 1: people listen to this conversation and find it helpful.
1:13:30
Speaker 2: All right, thanks everyone, Thank you
1:13:35
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bye, thanks,