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- Mark Hayes (00:02.162) Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another exciting episode, Two Minute Black and White, an Honest Conversation. Ten, count them, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten CEOs aboard Air Force One. The question is why? The question is why do billionaires have access to the levers of power that none of us have ever seen before? It makes no sense that the Epstein class is aboard Air Force One, but no surprise. They even stopped on their way to China to pick up the Nvidia chip dude. So, yeah, what's the deal with that? Since when does Air Force One stop to pick up private citizens and bring them on a state mission? A mission that is supposed to be looking out for the interests. of people of the United States. and Ellis joins me now live with more Brock. Wow, we're just a couple of yahoos with streaming capability. And I can't come up with a good answer as to why Air Force One would land to pick up a private citizen just because he's got more money than the good Lord himself. Can you help me? Brock Ganeles (01:22.314) I can't come up with a good reason, but I think we have an obvious reason. Like we live in a pay for play society right now. Maybe we always have, but Trump as usual has taken it to the extreme and the highest market cap companies, the wealthiest CEOs in the world, like you said, get the access and get the opportunity to go to China and negotiate their deals. Mark Hayes (01:24.796) Yeah. Mark Hayes (01:32.744) Sure. Brock Ganeles (01:52.362) Directly under the impromptu tour of the American government But who's representing the American citizen? State visits particularly to arguably the world's other superpower, right? Should be are there to negotiate and navigate what is in the best interest of America but in the Trump administration that's defined as big business and specifically Mark Hayes (02:07.57) Yep. Yep. Brock Ganeles (02:22.254) big business that lines his pockets, that kisses his ass, that cuts him in on deals, that pays for his ballrooms and his monuments and all his other bullshit. And we don't even know with the crypto like how much money is being funneled to him. I just think find this disgraceful. This is why there's a commerce secretary who goes on these trips as an administration official. Mark Hayes (02:36.285) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (02:50.144) and represents what's in the best interest of the entirety of the American economy. All of us. Mark Hayes (02:54.596) all of us, the US, nothing made me sicker than to see that smug son of a bitch getting that King's welcome in China. Knowing that he's there to cut a deal, Like he doesn't care what happens to Taiwan, because he doesn't know anything about the conflict. He doesn't know the history of it. He's just there to figure out how he can bring 10 dudes along that are gonna make googabs of money in trade deals with China, right? They don't care about the national security implications. Why are we selling China anything, right? Didn't they already sell us the lead toothpaste and made us dumber than dumb? I mean, good grief. I don't know that's just the urban legend or what, but. Nonetheless, the national security implications alone should have kept those 10 idiots off the plane, right? Plus the fact that it is unheard of for these billionaires to have to pay their way. See, when you have money, you don't need money. So they paid their way in clout. They didn't have to swipe. We're paying for them to go. That's the disgusting part. This is taxpayer money. With every five star meal they have aboard Air Force One, every mile they fly, the cha-ching hits us in the pocket. And the disgusting thing is, I'm sorry, the disgusting thing is that all the deals that these guys cut with China, Trump's getting a piece of it, and you know that. Brock Ganeles (04:36.174) But it's just... That's it. Go ahead. Brock Ganeles (04:47.118) Yeah, and the fraudulent nature that what's best for big business and the CEOs of big business is going to trickle down to the American worker and the American public. know, we know Elon Musk is not going to cut a deal with China that's going to be in the best interest of the workers, the employees, really anyone but him and the investment class that's involved with them. Mark Hayes (05:03.623) Nope. Mark Hayes (05:14.267) Right. Brock Ganeles (05:15.286) If I was Taiwan, I'd be shitting right now. Because I'd be like, they're gonna Ukraine me. Trump does not care about the fact that we've been allies for decades, doesn't care about this special relationship that we've had, and it's been a business relationship as well. And he will not protect us. And the first thing China said to Trump was like, hey, basically watch yourself on Taiwan. Mark Hayes (05:18.353) my god. Bye. Mark Hayes (05:33.651) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (05:42.796) And as far as I can tell, Trump basically cowed and backpedaled and took a step back and kind of thought to himself, what's in it for me in Taiwan? And the answer to Trump is probably nothing, but he can see what's in it on these other business deals. So once again, democracy loses on these trips. In the international waters, democracy loses again. Taiwan is democracy. Mark Hayes (05:47.025) A what? Mark Hayes (05:54.078) Right. Mark Hayes (06:00.207) Right. Brock Ganeles (06:12.428) We've supported him for as long as we've been alive. And I worry coming off this trip that that support could be gone. Yeah, as Rhoden. Yeah. Mark Hayes (06:20.08) has eroded. It's gone. It's gone. Brock, how many people have said that the global, the biggest global threat in the world right now is Donald Trump? Donald Trump said, well, Xi Jinping wasn't talking about me when he said the US is a declining nation. Who the fuck is he talking about? You are, you're the head of the nation. What fuck you talking about? Is he that dumb that he doesn't? He's not dumb, he's transactional. Brock Ganeles (06:54.882) He's that narci- He's- he's that narcissistic. Mark Hayes (06:58.494) Right, absolutely. Couldn't possibly be talking about me. Must be talking about the other 330 million dumb fucks that live there. That put me in office. Brock Ganeles (07:05.58) Yeah. The 50 % that voted that are Democrats and they're the ones dragging the country down. The ones that don't vote or don't like me are the ones dragging the country Mark Hayes (07:11.918) Exactly. Right. Dragon, yeah. Because he can totally play that out in his head from start to finish. And the thing about it is that we can all see what's happening. And the fact, that he's probably cutting a deal with Ping. Hey, Ping. Send me a few hundred million. I got nothing to say about Taiwan. How about we do that? mean, isn't it ironic that he's friends with the two biggest dictators in the world, the two most evil dictators in the world, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin? Vladimir Putin knows Xi Jinping, but Xi Jinping has outmaneuvered us the last 10 years. and has now become the world's preeminent superpower. I would argue with anyone about that. Brock Ganeles (08:13.118) I wouldn't use the term friends. I don't think Xi Jinping or Putin consider Trump a friend. I think they consider him a useful idiot that they can manipulate and that they can exploit to increase their power at the expense of the United States. So I think they're just seeing this as a huge opportunity. Mark Hayes (08:15.142) Yeah. Mark Hayes (08:22.246) New school area, yeah. Brock Ganeles (08:34.542) Mark, you were wide receiver back in the day. You split out wide once in a while, looked across the field at some cornerback that ran like, you know, 4'8", 40", and was like 5'10", 160 pounds. You were probably like, oh my God, I'm gonna eat this guy up today. That's how Putin and Xi Jinping are sitting back. I mean, as Trump's flying over, Xi Jinping's gotta be thinking, all right, I'm gonna run circles around this idiot. We're gonna like, we're gonna come out of this in an advantageous position. And there's no doubt Mark Hayes (08:49.2) Look at my chaps. Mark Hayes (08:57.874) Right. Brock Ganeles (09:04.354) that they're going to. Mark Hayes (09:05.596) Right. It's frightening, you know, for the world over. But look, our arms are all depleted. We can't stage another military action to dissuade China from going into Taiwan. And China knows that. China knows it's going to take us years. And because Donald Trump has been played like Lotto, it's going to take us years to replenish the munitions that we lost. fighting $20,000 drones. Brock Ganeles (09:39.052) Yeah, I mean they gotta be laughing these guys can't even beat Iran like so like we're gonna They think they're gonna come over here on our turf and f with us if we just storm into Taiwan It's a bad. It's a bad scenario. The other thing that's frustrating me though is I get it There's an American tradition that you're not supposed to criticize a US president when he's overseas Okay Mark Hayes (09:43.208) Right. Right. Right. Mark Hayes (10:04.093) Right. Brock Ganeles (10:06.746) I all those old rules and norms are pretty much out the window in the Trump era. But okay, I get it. Maybe the Dems are playing by those archaic rules. But as soon as Trump touches down in the US again, the messaging has to be all fucking over this because this trip exemplifies income inequality, opportunity inequality, just the oligarchy. Mark Hayes (10:10.801) Yeah! Mark Hayes (10:21.925) and P-Chem. Mark Hayes (10:30.238) Right. Yep. All the ills. Yep. Brock Ganeles (10:36.268) The kleptocracy, right? This trip is a personification of everything that's wrong with the Trump leadership and MAGA's leadership. And we just they got to be ready. I assume you got a couple of days to put that every Dem should be messaging this in lockstep and pounding this home to the American people that they were getting sold up the river while the rich dudes were cutting deals in back rooms. Mark Hayes (10:46.428) Yep. Yep. Mark Hayes (10:56.456) Well. Mark Hayes (11:05.384) Brock, riddle me this. How does MAGA benefit? How does the average MAGA dude benefit? The average MAGA chick in urban Nebraska, in Kearney, Nebraska, where the plant closed, that meat processing plant closed. How do they benefit from the Nvidia CEO chumming it up? Brock Ganeles (11:26.68) But they don't, but they don't, they just think they fucked over you black people in Tennessee and in Mississippi and they're getting that right. They took your voting away. So they're getting, they're getting a look down on the others back home. So while they're getting a high five and celebrate the fact that they're getting their, know, taking their country back, Trump's over there cutting deals to line his old pockets. It's the same. Okey-doke, right? So when he comes back, if that criticism starts, Mark Hayes (11:31.326) right. Right. They got their racism. Mark Hayes (11:53.138) Bye. Brock Ganeles (11:56.43) He'll just find another racist diversion to keep MAGA focused on what he wants him focused on. What's going on down, you know, down, down river. Mark Hayes (12:04.424) Right. Downriver, yep. And you know, Brock, the thing about it, you know, this America first BS, that ain't America first. That's Trump and his rich buddies first. Right? I mean, look, I told you before, Maggard doesn't travel. They don't leave the zip code, right? How Marjorie Taylor Greene left is another story, but that 24 million that she got from insider trading, but we'll get to that another day. But the bottom line is, Trump doesn't give a shit about these broke MAGA people. He doesn't care about elevating the status. I mean, look, they had major Trump officials on the Hill today, right? All of them look like idiots, especially the CENTCOM director who, you know, couldn't tell us how many active investigations were underway for war crimes that were committed by the US. Couldn't tell us. 22 schools, but... He said, there's no way to confirm that. No indication that 22 schools were bombed, right? One active investigation underway that he was willing to admit to. Education secretary, Linda McMahan. my God, she's so smug. I can't even stand the sight of her, bro. Like she makes me physically ill. And when they talked about taking away school lunches, right? And wanting to give a billion dollars to the war effort or to the Defense Department in the same breath, right? She couldn't eat, she didn't have the numbers, right? How many school lunches that would provide for a year? How many brand new teachers that would provide for a year? How many capital improvements that would improve for a year? She has no clue. She has no clue. She thinks she could care less. Yep. Brock Ganeles (13:54.67) She doesn't care. Her job is to tear it down, not to build it up. Public schools are toast in the Linda McMahon slash Trump era. I mean, they're just taking from them. Why would you have to feed kids? Like, we don't care. Those kids don't matter. That's really the message. Those kids don't matter. The kids that matter are getting vouchers and they're going to private schools and that's the kids that matter. Mark Hayes (14:01.318) in the Trump area, right? Right. So. Mark Hayes (14:09.532) Nope. No. Those kids don't matter. Mark Hayes (14:17.626) And that's the key. remember too, Brock, by the third grade, if you don't get them, right, that's when they start counting the number of prison beds that they need, right? When those kids turn 18. Third grade reading scores will indicate how many prison beds you need when those third graders turn 18. That's how America prioritizes its educational standards. Brock Ganeles (14:51.522) You know those are the type of statistics white people don't know growing up. Like I had never heard that before. That's just not, you know, it was never in the realm of the conversation that I've a world that I've lived in. Mark Hayes (15:01.052) Yep, I'm sure. I'm sure. I mean, the numbers, all we gotta do is look at the numbers. All we gotta do is look at the research. All we have to do is look at the diabolical plan that is so woven into the American construct. When you talk about cheap labor, prison labor, you eat Idaho potatoes, all packaged and processed by prison labor. Right? Where are you going to get labor for 25 cents an hour? Brock Ganeles (15:28.663) Yeah. In a related notice that the CEO of that geo group, is the for-profit concentration camp builder, which was also I think a for-profit prison company is now gotten a senior position with DHS. now like now like the the entrepreneurs are just getting the government jobs to make sure their businesses are getting fed. I mean, there's not even arms length anymore in terms of the corrupt intent. Mark Hayes (15:41.406) Sure. Mark Hayes (15:46.365) See? Mark Hayes (15:53.83) Yes! Right. Well, think of how many people are not going to prison anymore for marijuana. Now, remember we talked about the states that were being sued by the private prison companies because they weren't getting enough prisoners. You would think that'd be a good thing, but it's not. Not for the states and the taxpayers, because the taxpayers are going to pay either way. Brock Ganeles (16:13.038) They weren't filming them. Yeah. Mark Hayes (16:23.356) Right? Whether you have to pay for a prisoner to be housed or whether you have to pay the fines and the penalties for not sending private prisons the proper enough. How fucking stupid and barbaric does that sound? nobody one in five of the world's prisoners resides right here in the grand old US of A. The grand old US of A. But you know what they do in Denmark? You got dorms, you learn skills if you end up in prison. They've got the lowest recidivism rate in the world because it's not about brutality and punishment. Brock Ganeles (17:00.76) But that... Yeah. But you ask, what's MAGA getting? That's what MAGA gets. They get handed that kind of society while the wealthiest run around and get private audiences with Chinese trade officials so that they can cut special deals for their businesses to get their products and or their chips sold into China, largest market in the world. Mark Hayes (17:30.172) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (17:30.304) so that they're doing fine, right? They're justifying their huge paychecks by getting that access on Air Force One. The whole thing's circular and it's very, very frustrating, but these are the things we keep saying, the Democratic messaging, data centers can't be the only top of a pause line that you have, right? We gotta be fighting for real shit. Mark Hayes (17:40.284) Yeah. Mark Hayes (17:54.321) No. Brock Ganeles (17:58.05) Beyond the corruption, is also an easy topic for the Democrats to hammer home, is to be talking about, like we should be talking about the tax code also. Like it should just be party platform, Democrats get in charge, we are going to change the American tax system, we're gonna get a wealth tax, we're gonna definitively raise taxes on the 1%. We're gonna change taxes on investment income. That shouldn't be more profitable or lower tax than actual real wages of people humping it in the hot sun. So what, you have to pay a higher tax the harder you work versus when you're just pushing money around and just get that platform out there and say, this is what we're gonna do when we get back in power and justify. Mark Hayes (18:32.072) Boom. Yep. Brock Ganeles (18:48.802) high voter turnout, justify people busting their ass to make sure they're registered, walking by an ICE agent who's got a huge machine gun at the door and going in there, figuring out where their polling station is and showing up to vote in the midterms. Give them strong reasons because you have tangible policies on how you're going to change America in their favor. Mark Hayes (19:15.449) Absolutely, absolutely. Brock Ganeles (19:16.938) I agree with my friends call me ghost. I want an embrace of democratic socialism. Like, let's stop running away from it. It's the direction we need to push the country because universal health care falls into that as well. And I think the country is ripe for this kind of messaging because they're tired of Air Force One stopping over in Alaska to pick up a CEO so he can cut a fucking deal. Mark Hayes (19:23.014) Right? Mark Hayes (19:31.494) Right. Mark Hayes (19:42.704) Right, right and make more money like the guy doesn't have enough money already. I mean Brock Ganeles (19:48.078) Like that's the most important thing going on in our country. That's what's important about our interaction with the number two, arguably one A superpower in the world. That's unbelievable. Dems got to be all over it. I mean, Chuck Schumer for all we know has been napping the whole time or meeting with Israeli dignitaries trying to figure out how like you're going to bomb more. Mark Hayes (19:59.291) Right. Right? Brock Ganeles (20:11.508) more sites in Libya like is he focused on what's going on with the rank and file of American citizen and what's in the best interest I don't see it even if he thinks that he's the worst spokesman for it right guys his time has passed Mark Hayes (20:13.073) Right. Mark Hayes (20:19.742) Mmm, me thinks not. Mark Hayes (20:27.198) absolutely, he's done. mean, and I don't see why we can't get him out of there. Chuckles, Hakeem, the whole democratic leadership has got to go at this point. We just don't have the kind of fight that we need to battle, you know, the messaging of what used to be the Republican Party, now MAGA, and, you know, just the pure will, the fight, the... Just match the energy. Why can't you just match the energy? Brock Ganeles (20:59.526) How can you not out message them with gas approaching five dollars a gallon people can barely fill a shopping cart, right? I mean the the day-to-day economics of Americans are like at a breaking point like the message is so easy But yet the ten of the richest guys in the country are flying with the president to China like it's such an easy messaging It's like you live in an unfair society. We will make it fair How hard is that to message? Mark Hayes (21:07.174) Right. It's ridiculous. Mark Hayes (21:14.376) Bye. Mark Hayes (21:26.568) Right. Brock Ganeles (21:30.082) and you still, you only hear it from a handful of people. Mark Hayes (21:34.833) Yep. And you know, it's disgusting at this point. Just the sheer lack of noise. Why aren't the Dems just screaming into every microphone they can get in front of? I don't understand it. You know, I told you AOC was in town last Sunday at Raphael Warnock's Ebenezer Baptist Church. You know, look, you know, we're trying to sound the alarm quietly. Is that what we're doing? I mean, we are about to go into one of the most contentious, you know, governmental races, gubernatorial race for governor here in Atlanta. It's probably going to be Keisha Lance Bottoms against, you know, any of three not so palatable candidates. On the MAGA side, you got Raffensperger, right? Who is no nice guy, right? We felt bad. Brock Ganeles (22:41.516) And some really rich guy was throwing a lot of money at it, right? Isn't one of the guys a billionaire? Mark Hayes (22:45.182) Jackson. Yes. And my God, you should see his commercials. He looks like the devil. I mean, he just looks like an evil. Pull up on his commercials. mean, tell me if his eyes don't look like... I mean, he scares the living hell out of you. You know? Okay, quick hit. Brock Ganeles (23:10.626) Mark, gotta hop in a second, so I wanna get to a quick hit. What was your take on the Kevin Hart roast on Netflix? I heard there was some white guys coming on telling some racist jokes. I caught that on my feed and some pushback on that. Mark Hayes (23:21.308) I didn't like that joke. I didn't like that joke. Mark Hayes (23:29.118) He told the George Floyd joke. Brock Ganeles (23:32.994) Yeah, a George Floyd joke. Mark Hayes (23:34.802) Truly, truly went too far. Brock Ganeles (23:38.19) Yeah, I don't want to say too soon. I'm going to argue there's never going to be a time where that's going to be fair game. Yeah. So Netflix allowed that or Kevin Hart allowed that like what who's Mark Hayes (23:40.24) I'm far. There's never. No. No. I mean. Somebody allowed it because it got through. And now he's backsliding and trying to apologize about it. But that was so distasteful. Brock Ganeles (24:00.632) To me when I read about it I was like this is just another indication of like the mainstreaming of racism in America. Like. Yeah. Alright. I figured it might that the the black Twitter let's call it would have been buzzing after that. I didn't I didn't see it but. Mark Hayes (24:06.022) Right. Right. And the fuckery. Yeah. Absolutely. Mark Hayes (24:14.638) Mark Hayes (24:20.28) yeah. yeah. It was absolutely buzzing. And a lot of people were upset about that one. That one did not go over well. I mean, you heard people in the crowd saying, whoa. Brock Ganeles (24:36.782) Oh, no, no, I didn't watch it. I just saw some clips and I saw some reaction to it. I figured you would tell me what was going on. Mark Hayes (24:39.471) Yeah, you save yourself. Yeah, save yourself. Yes, save yourself. Brock Ganeles (24:49.262) I don't know what the George Floyd someone's in the in the chat asking about the George was I don't know what the joke was I can't imagine there's a joke that's funny about George Floyd so like I wouldn't even I don't Mark Hayes (24:57.54) No. No. And it was distasteful. I can't remember the joke word for road, word for word, but it was very distasteful and truly off color and way too far. Also in the cultural lexicon, you will, Chud the Builder. Are you aware of this guy? Chud the Builder. He's a racist live streamer who, I guess, Brock Ganeles (25:26.114) The guy in Tennessee, I just heard about him this morning. Got arrested. I didn't know he was a known guy. Mark Hayes (25:27.42) Yes. Yes. Arrested. Attempted, he's huge. He's huge apparently. Arrested for attempted murder for shooting outside a Tennessee courthouse and good riddance. Throw the key away. The guy's a moron. Brock Ganeles (25:45.41) That guy's literally made a business over accosting black people on the street, yelling racial epitaphs and filming it and posting it, live streaming it. And he's getting, he's getting a lot of views and hits and monetizing that. That those are, those are the live streamers and the podcasters that, we're losing eyeballs to, guess, huh? God forbid a, a, an honest and Mark Hayes (25:50.526) Yep. and live streaming it. Yep. Mark Hayes (26:01.51) Yeah. Yeah. Mark Hayes (26:09.626) Right. Right. Right. Brock Ganeles (26:13.45) civil conversation, but that's the guy that people want to watch. Mark Hayes (26:16.7) Right, what we're doing ain't sexy. All right, bro, I know you gotta hop. Brock Ganeles (26:19.086) Jesus. Chuck the Builder. I didn't know that's who he was. The Builder. Alright Mark, always a pleasure. Alright, good to see ya. Pick it up tomorrow. Mark Hayes (26:24.03) Yeah. All right, bro. Have a great evening. Always a pleasure. See you tomorrow. All righty. Yes, sir. Peace.