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IT CAME FROM SCREAMBOX! Cannibal! The Musical · WASD and Beyond

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  So anyways guys, this is Noah's movie week.
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  Yes, Sir. Noah the floor buddy is yours
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  for this very, as Alex called it, split oinkle episode.
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  It is. It will be a split oinkle
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  episode this week that I picked the 1993 Trey Parker Mad Stone
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  movie Cannibal the Musical, formally known formerly known as
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  Alfred Packer the Musical. Is that what it?
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  Was called, Yeah. So originally they made the
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  movie under Alfred Packer the Musical, but when Troma picked
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  it up and distributed it, they wanted to change the name to
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  Cannibal because they didn't think that people would know who
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  Alfred Packer was. Which is true unless you live in
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  Colorado because his his story is very famous there.
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  OK. We'll get into that.
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  Yeah, he's a real guy. And the the story, the true
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  story is shockingly, I mean the movie rather the movie is
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  shockingly accurate to the real story.
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  There's a lot of, there's a lot of differences.
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  I've been doing a lot of research a very, you know, on
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  the historical figure website, you might have heard of
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  it.wikipedia.org. So we got lots of, we got lots
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  of good stuff. But first I wanted to be talking
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  about the movie a little bit. So we've all I think we've all
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  seen it before this before our watching of it.
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  So when, what, how did you guys find it and how did you watch it
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  the first time You. Want to go 1st Alex?
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  You want me to go first? I.
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  Can go well. I didn't watch it up and not
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  that long ago when Nick showed me it.
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  That was your first time. That was my first time I'd I
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  remember seeing the cover art for it hundreds of times, but I
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  never paid like any attention to it, never clicked on it.
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  I just like can't lie. I said musical.
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  I kind of just like. Yeah.
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  Now, in the way it was, I always thought it said Cannonball the
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  Musical, which? I did too.
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  I always thought it said Cannonball.
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  Which that's a thing. Is it?
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  I believe so, but it mean it was years like it was like what,
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  three years ago? Yeah.
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  Will you show me this? Yeah, just about and I.
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  Fell in love with it because I was like, oh it's fucking mad
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  Stone and Trey Parker. Like yeah, we love everything.
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  These guys shit out everything. And it took me by surprise when
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  I learned this was not produced but put out by Troma, our
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  favorite. People.
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  Yep, They sort of, they sort of saw it when it was being
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  released and going around to festivals and stuff and they
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  were like, they just sort of distributed it.
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  Excuse me? Yeah.
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  What happened there? My, my voice is a bit cracking
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  right now, but what about you, Nick?
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  Yeah, so I know for a fact that I had seen this in my Uncle
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  Keith's goddamn like VHS collection.
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  I know for a fact I saw it there.
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  I had never watched it as Alex said, dude, I thought it said
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  Cannonball the Musical until I was like 14.
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  I remember I, I, I, I know exactly where I was.
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  We were living. We had moved to Livonia at this
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  point in time and I have been on Xbox Live in the way the Xbox
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  Marketplace worked back in the day was it was actually really
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  nice because you could just buy movie.
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  I don't know if you guys remember like right on Xbox,
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  like the UI was so fun to play around it and I would just go
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  buy movies all the time. So I remember seeing that album
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  or cover art for the movie and I went all right, Cannonball the
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  musical and I just because I still thought it said cannonball
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  the musical, but I had like this fucking crazy face on it and I
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  was like, all right, I'll buy this whatever.
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  And I'm like, are these the South Park guys?
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  I was like, is this the toxic avenger guys?
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  It's like, OK. And then it I see like cannibal
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  the I was like, oh, this could be cool, but I avoided it for so
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  long because I, you know, it did say musical as well.
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  I was like, musical. I don't know.
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  And then I again, I also did think it's a cannonball.
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  I don't know why, but that's what I thought.
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  But yeah, I rented it on Xbox or I bought it on my Xbox 360 and
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  then watched it and I was like, whoa, this is hilarious.
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  Like everything about it was good.
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  You know, like Alex said, and I'm sure Noah will bring up
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  like, like the South Park guys, Trey and Matt, like everything
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  they do, I love. Like I absolutely adore the
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  things they do. They don't give a shit.
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  They do what they want to do. They make what they want to
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  make, and they also prop that Casa Bonita.
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  So again, they do what they want to do.
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  This is one of those things where it's like they did what
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  they wanted to do, made something awesome, and the music
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  itself is good. Like it's all good.
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  Like everything about this movie is just good.
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  So that's my first experience with it.
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  Well, they're, if you only watch South Park, I mean, you can kind
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  of tell because of the amount of like songs that are in South
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  Park. But they're like big musical
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  nerds. Of course, everybody knows it
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  now because they made like the Book of Mormon and stuff.
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  But this is like this is this is their first day out and this is
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  what they decided to do. Dude, that's it was just.
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  Ridiculous. And they killed it.
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  And they crushed it. Dude.
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  Some of these songs are bangers. Well, this was this a college
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  project of theirs or no? Yeah, so they made this movie
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  over spring break, filming on the weekends.
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  They were they managed to get a little bit of money together The
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  so the whole budget of the movie was $125,000.
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  They, like I said, they shot it on weekends at spring break.
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  They shot the movie in real locations in Colorado, including
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  the real courthouse that Alfred Packer was tried in.
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  Most of the rest of the town was filmed inside of a western
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  themed park in Canyon City during the filming.
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  During the filming, there were a bit of mishaps like Trey
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  suffering A hairline fracture when he was thrown off one of
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  the horses that played Leanne. And there were crew members and
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  cast who went into shock when they were were jumping into the
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  the big river because that was that river.
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  It was like the middle of winter for them.
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  That's for real. They'd like jumped in there.
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  And apparently some of them suffered from the cold a little.
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  Bit so ridiculous. Dude, yeah, like all of it, all
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  of it is made like gorilla style.
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  Like they were just shooting in locations like they were
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  shooting on their school campus. Like I mentioned during we were
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  watching it when Polly Prize singing her song.
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  That's at the university library, just on a big staircase
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  in the library. That's sweet.
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  And you can see like the background.
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  You can see there's like a lamp and like a paintings on the wall
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  and like light fixtures in the background.
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  There's a lot of like, like we mentioned there, the South Park
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  guys. So there's a lot of references
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  that it's, it's a little bit murky the timeline because they
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  had already the spirit of Christmas.
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  They'd already made that. So they were working on the
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  pilot of South Park while they were making this movie.
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  So you see things that you would recognize in South Park, like
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  you can hear like various voices and then on screen box it even
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  says like Hartman voice on the on the subtitles.
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  So you get like little voices. The alien that you see in the
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  background all the time makes an appearance as the snowman.
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  I don't know if you guys noticed it, but alien, Well, he's.
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  Yeah, well, he's tap dancing. Well, Swan is tap dancing.
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  If you go back, there's a single shot where the head of the
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  snowman is sculpted like the alien.
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  That's ridiculous. I didn't know that.
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  Yeah. Go ahead.
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  No, I just, I didn't know like the grey aliens that we.
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  Yeah, Yep, it's head is all like sculpted and tall like that.
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  That's sweet, I didn't know that.
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  You got the guy who plays the judge Is Randy's dad or not
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  Randy's dad, Trey's dad, Randy. Who is the inspiration for Randy
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  Marsh? Yeah.
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  And you got Trey doing all of the Japanese that is spoken by
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  the Native Americans. This is an insane, it's an
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  insane thing to say. It's just everything they did in
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  this movie was just done so good.
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  Like they had shit for a budget which I'm sure you'll tell the
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  audience what the budget was they.
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  You already did. Oh.
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  Yeah, 125, yeah. So like nothing like they just
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  did it. The the result here is so
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  fucking good. They it's it's it's funny again,
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  the songs are fucking on point. And like, it's it's not just
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  like typical funny. There's like a lot of just a lot
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  of the bleed over from this to South Park is so evident.
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  There's some of some of the, some of the jokes are a little
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  more subtle than I remember them.
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  Like I kind of remember it because I haven't watched this
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  in a while, but I remember being like wall to wall with jokes.
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  But it's actually like, there's a lot of just like movie going
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  on here, Like they're just kind of moving through it.
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  A lot of the melodies are used in South Park.
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  Yes, yeah. There's so fun fact, it's in
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  Season 4 of South Park. At the end of the episode,
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  there's the Braniff end card. It's the one with the plane.
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  Yeah, the little tune that's playing over that is the tune to
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  Spadoingle. Yeah, hold it.
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  Fuck. You.
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  That's crazy. If you go back, you go back.
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  It's all the episodes in Season 4 and I think it bleeds into
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  Season 5 as well, but you can hear it as that end card and I
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  remember we were watching South Park me and Brooke and she knows
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  that the first time she's like, wait a second, that's.
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  The winkle, of course. Brooke noticed it though, too.
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  Yeah. That's awesome.
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  So the movie, like the movie came out and it was sort of like
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  a cult to the cult classic type thing.
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  After South Park released the Tromag, people learned about
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  this movie that the South Park folks had made a movie before
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  South Park and they but at that time it like I said, it was
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  still known as Alfred Packer the musical.
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  So they re released it under the new name Cannibal because they
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  didn't think people would know where Alfred Packer was.
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  Troma considers Cannibal to be one of its best films despite
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  them not really having a hand in it.
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  But they, you know, they, they did it a lot of help by
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  distributing it a little bit better they got.
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  They got they got more eyes on it.
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  Yeah, it would have been seen by a lot of people now because of
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  course South Park is huge now, but at the time, like it
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  probably wouldn't have been seen by as many people.
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  In 2008, as the first of the TRO Masterpiece collection, Cannibal
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  was released on a DVD with extra footage and early short films
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  that Trey and Matt made. And I need to hunt down that DVD
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  because those do not appear to exist anywhere else.
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  Those short films. Yeah.
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  EBay. Definitely.
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  The traumatic collection, you said, right?
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  Tro masterpiece. Tro masterpiece.
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  OK, Traumatic's also a good one though too.
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  Just they so they released it on DVD with the extra stuff and
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  then it was released again in 2008 and then again on Blu-ray
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  in 2024. Yes.
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  So now you can get it. Yeah, now you can get it on on
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  that sweet, sweet Blu-ray. Here's there's this record
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  company I follow called Enjoy the Tunes Records.
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  Yep, they just put it out. They just put out the entire
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  soundtrack on vinyl. Really.
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  That's kind of dope. Oh.
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  That's awesome. Such a good fucking movie dude.
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  I've I've always loved this movie since the moment I saw it.
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  That's like another movie like where Noah and I, it was just it
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  kind of like brought up in conversation one day.
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  It's like Cannibal the musical. There's Noah's like Cannibal the
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  musical. I love that.
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  I was like, what? That's?
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  It's kind of like, it's like a South Park iceberg kind of
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  thing. It's like, yeah, 'cause people
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  know, like basketball people know orgasmo, but I don't know
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  if a lot of people have heard of or seen this.
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  Even if they've heard of it, Yeah, I don't know if they've.
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  Seen it. My manager, perfect example,
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  like his low South Park. Yeah, about South Park all the
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  time. Loves basketball, loves orgasmo.
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  And I brought up this movie. He's like, I've never heard of
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  it. And then like a week goes by and
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  he comes back in. He was like, so I watched
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  Cannibal the musical. I was like, yeah, he's like,
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  it's some of the funniest shit I've ever watched.
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  If you like South Park my boy going to like this because this.
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  Like if they animated this it would just be an episode of
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  South Park. Oh dude, yeah.
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  Everything might grew and uncut. Yeah, everything like the way
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  it's shot, like the effects that they use the, you know,
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  whenever, like silly things happen with a prop.
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  Like you could just you could picture that being a South Park
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  episode. The voice over like the actual
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  dubbing because there's, there's a lot of dubbing in that.
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  The whole movie is ADR. Like the whole is it really the
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  entire movie? Most of it is like, if not every
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  single bit of it, you can. I mean, you can pretty clearly
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  tell when it's real because yeah, it's like sound quality
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  sounds like shit, but they like they had something that's really
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  clear. Yeah, they had like barely 2
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  cameras. But you Speaking of the dubbing
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  and stuff, that's where Spadogo comes from because they
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  originally, when they were shooting the first song,
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  spadoical wasn't going to be in there.
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  So they just put it in as like a placeholder word, like somebody
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  just said some nonsense word and then they never found another
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  word to put there. So it just stuck as spadoical.
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  And then they use they use spadoical as as many different
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  meanings in many different contexts throughout the movie.
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  Yeah, they when they follow, they go Spadoinkel.
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  Yeah, sure isn't. It's anything you want.
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  Sure is a Spadoinkel horse. Yes.
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  We got all kinds of stuff, but yeah.
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  Do you guys have any other thoughts?
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  Anything. Anything specific?
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  Dude how did they do the practical effects?
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  Oh yeah, there was some good prosthetics in this.
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  There's some very good prosthetics in this, especially
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  being for some college kids with little to no money.
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  Yeah, like the end kill. Pretty much like the final kill
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  in the woods. It's like, God damn, dude,
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  there's so much going on there. Well, it's the final kills and
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  the stuff, it happened at the very beginning, but it's
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  supposed to be the stuff that happens later.
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  There's some like there's some good stuff in there.
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  There's like he like rips somebody's jaw open and rips out
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  their tongue. Like there's some good stuff
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  going on. Oh dude, yeah, well, at the back
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  of the head explosions, we brought that up during one of
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  the shootings. There's a very good back of the
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  head explosion, very good use of gore as well, because it's like
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  it's it's not as gore. It's I mean, it's it gets gory,
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  but it's like not that the entire thing, like the entire
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  that's not the focus of the film, which I think is to its
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  benefit you. Know, but the most part it's
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  like a straight comedy. Yeah, it's like a it's Trey
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  Parker movie. Comedy.
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  Yeah, musical comedy. Because it is a very much little
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  musical, every 3-5 minutes there's a song.
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  Yep, there's a song or some kind of vamp going on in the
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  background. There's it's they, it's like
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  it's an hour and 30 minutes and they just like packed it.
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  Dude, well, it, it never feels like it overstays it's welcome
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  either because just like I said, how good it is and like I, I
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  personally liked every song. I've loved every song in this
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  movie. I I love, love, love cannibal
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  the musical and I just, I brought it up during the the
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  watch and I was like, dude, I just really wish like I know
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  they got the Book of Mormon, but I really wish like they would
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  produce and take this on the road.
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  Yeah, so, But there are, like, groups who did, like, perform
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  this live, Yeah. Or, you know, like small
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  renditions of this. But it was never anything
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  official. Could you have the only thing,
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  the only recent thing we have of this is Trey singing one of the
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  songs at the anniversary concert.
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  Yeah, the Red Rocks. They need to do like, you know
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  how like the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
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  People will go to the the viewings, dressed up and
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  participate on stage. Yeah, this would be a perfect
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  movie for something like that. It.
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  Would be if we rented a theatre and like did an event for
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  cannibal. I guarantee we get.
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  I think trauma now because of like the South Park thing.
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  I think everybody, like a lot of people, know about it.
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  You'd you'd have to dress up. You would, but should we talk
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  about Leanne for a second? Yes, bring up Leanne.
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  So Leanne the name of Alfred Packer's disloyal host or host
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  horse I can't talk tonight that the horse is based on his ex
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  fiance who they were going to get married and he found out
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  that she was having an affair and then that was shortly before
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  making this. He was dating the woman who
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  played Polly Pry while they were making this, but he gave the
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  name Leanne to the horse and this is a quote from him.
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  He gave the name to the horse who would let anyone ride her.
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  Brutal, Yes. It's hilarious like it writes
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  itself, dude. So yeah, it's and you can, you
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  can. There's a leg of lines alluding
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  to it throughout the movie, Like when when Leanne leaves, he's
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  like, yeah, when Leanne runs off, he's like, no, she would
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  never run away on me or she would never let anyone else ride
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  her but me. Like everyone in this town has
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  ridden your horse. Yeah, yeah, exactly like a
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  trapper Frenchie. You know, like shit.
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  I wonder how stupid she feels now.
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  Oh dude, I wonder if she saw it. I I bet she's seen it and she's
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  definitely. Oh no, there's no way she didn't
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  see it. Yeah, he probably sent her a
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  copy in the mail. Especially now.
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  Yeah. Given like his status, you know,
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  it's like golly. And that is like, I mean, I
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  wonder how he feels about it now.
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  Like if he looks back on that and still thinks it's funny
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  because I think it's hilarious. Oh.
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  It's it's that's amazing, but that's also college.
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  It's. It's true.
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  It's a whole new level of pettiness, which I'm here for
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  it, He. Made a movie about her I.
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  Mean Mark Zuckerberg made made Facebook?
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  Well, he was filled with college angst.
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  Yeah, now he's. Like a robot Facebook and
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  Cannibal the musical. I think, you know, they even
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  out. Two types, two different types
• 21:49
  of people here. One's a sociopath.
• 21:51
  And one's a really silly guy. You know.
• 21:53
  Yeah. Oh man.
• 21:56
  But in terms of things come coming from college angst, this
• 22:00
  is what happens when you do have a creative outlet.
• 22:03
  Yes, and you're not making a website, just a fuck yeah.
• 22:06
  Yeah, but Alex is like, what? EW, I know.
• 22:13
  EW, what? No.
• 22:16
  Lizard person no fucking the. Lizard person book.
• 22:20
  Oh, Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, he's gross.
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  Yeah. So this is it says in the movie.
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  This is based off a true story and it is very close to that
• 22:30
  true story. OK, how close is it to the true
• 22:33
  story? It's pretty close.
• 22:35
  So the basic, the TLDR of the story is Alfred Packer is a guy
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  and he's just kind of like making his way through the
• 22:46
  world. He's not very talented or good
• 22:49
  at anything. He, he kind of like bounced
• 22:53
  around a little bit in the in Colorado, not not really ever to
• 22:58
  hold down any kind of job. He tried mining in Colorado, but
• 23:03
  that didn't really work out. So you moved to Utah where he
• 23:06
  met 20 men who were getting ready to travel back to Colorado
• 23:11
  where he had just come from. In the movie, it's five men who
• 23:18
  are looking to go and nobody else wants to go.
• 23:19
  But in real life, it was 20. And in real life, the trappers
• 23:25
  were part of that group. They weren't trappers in real
• 23:28
  life, but they were just, you know, every, everybody is like a
• 23:30
  hunter and everybody is a prospector and everybody's this
• 23:33
  and that. Alfred Packer was very like
• 23:37
  arrogant and full of himself and he thought he was hot shit.
• 23:41
  So he told these 20 guys that he was like, hey, I'm a guy and I
• 23:44
  can lead you back to Colorado. And in the movie, he's very
• 23:47
  reluctant to do it, which is like more if he was honest.
• 23:52
  But in real life, he was like pretty arrogant about it.
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  And despite his like, lack of skill, he he got he did get them
• 24:01
  a good ways into the mountains before they got lost.
• 24:03
  But they did lose their horses and wagons on the way because
• 24:06
  the terrain was just too rough. They did go to the Ute Native
• 24:15
  American camp. There was a friendly Native
• 24:18
  American chief there. He was not a Japanese though
• 24:22
  like in the movie. And that guy, he was known to be
• 24:28
  like friendly to to white men. And he let them rest.
• 24:32
  He gave them food. But from there the party like
• 24:35
  fractures and the six people, including Packer and his party
• 24:40
  went off one way and then the other group including Frenchy,
• 24:46
  Cabazon, Oliver Lautsenhizer and the other guys something Nutter.
• 24:53
  They they went off a different route.
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  These are real people. Those three were real guys and
• 25:00
  Frenchy's going to be important. Specifically, Frenchy and
• 25:03
  Lautsenhizer are going to be important because they split off
• 25:07
  and then there's no contact with anybody until 65 days after they
• 25:12
  split up. Packer was seen walking by
• 25:14
  himself on a frozen lake bed near Saw Watch.
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  So he gets into town, he's all sick and he's like barely able
• 25:25
  to eat and drink and stuff. And they're like, Oh my God,
• 25:27
  what happened? He's telling the stories of what
• 25:29
  happened. The way he put it, like
• 25:32
  everybody went crazy and like tried to kill him and he had to
• 25:35
  kill them in self-defense. He did.
• 25:38
  He admitted that they had Eaton Swan because he was like, he had
• 25:45
  died during the journey and they admitted that they that they'd
• 25:48
  eaten him. People like cannibalism was kind
• 25:53
  of known at that point because the Donner Party thing had
• 25:56
  happened. It was sort of a known reality
• 26:00
  of travel like this that sometimes it would come down to
• 26:03
  that. So that wasn't really the
• 26:05
  problem they had. The problem that they had was
• 26:08
  that they think he murdered his his traveller, his travelling
• 26:16
  party and taking their stuff because he was seen spending
• 26:20
  tons of money in town using multiple different wallets.
• 26:25
  So eventually Frenchie, Lautzenheiser and Nutter show up
• 26:32
  and they're like no way dude like this.
• 26:35
  There's no shot that he's telling the truth.
• 26:37
  Like this is all really SUS. So they they took that
• 26:40
  information. They said, yeah, they're like,
• 26:42
  there's no, there's no fucking way.
• 26:44
  So they went to the sheriff with it, and the sheriff was like,
• 26:46
  OK, that's enough evidence. So they arrested Packer and they
• 26:50
  put him in jail. And then they so they plan to go
• 26:54
  out and look for the corpses. And when they found them, they
• 26:59
  were all together in one spot, just like in the movie where
• 27:01
  they all die in the same place. Yeah, after I think Bell kills
• 27:06
  them all. So that that part, it's pretty,
• 27:11
  it's pretty accurate. I would have to say this little
• 27:13
  things like the, you know, the trappers were probably not
• 27:18
  actually just trappers, but they did.
• 27:21
  When they split off at the Ute camp, there was like an
• 27:24
  altercation and one of them threatened Packer that if they
• 27:27
  followed him they would kill him.
• 27:30
  This Packer could just not get shit right, dude.
• 27:33
  Yeah. So by the time the authorities
• 27:38
  went out to look for the bodies and they found it, by the time
• 27:40
  they got back, Packer was gone. Somebody had slipped him a key
• 27:44
  to his shackles and he escaped that way.
• 27:47
  They didn't even have a jail in the town, so they were holding
• 27:50
  him basically just locked in a cabin with the shackles in on
• 27:54
  his wrists and his ankles so he couldn't run away.
• 27:58
  So by the time they get back, he was gone.
• 28:00
  He had escaped to Wyoming, like he mentions in the movie, which
• 28:03
  is probably the funniest joke in the movie.
• 28:09
  Yeah. And he was.
• 28:10
  So he he went to Wyoming and he was living under a cover name.
• 28:13
  And then somehow he didn't recognize Frenchie because he
• 28:16
  approached him to buy some supplies.
• 28:19
  And Frenchie recognized him and turned him into the local
• 28:22
  police. And from there, a sheriff took
• 28:25
  him back to Denver to stand trial.
• 28:29
  And during his trial, they, they convicted him of murder.
• 28:35
  The cannibalism, like I said, it wasn't really that big a deal to
• 28:38
  the judge because it was sort of a known thing that can happen.
• 28:42
  They, they said that he just killed him, killed all the men
• 28:45
  to steal their stuff. So he managed to avoid the death
• 28:53
  penalty on a technicality that he was basically able to
• 28:57
  convince enough people that he didn't have a choice but to kill
• 29:00
  them because they were going to kill him, which is all like he
• 29:03
  said, she said there's no way to prove it.
• 29:07
  So he avoided execution. He only served 18 out of his 40
• 29:12
  year jail sentence. And he was released on parole
• 29:15
  because Polly Pry from the movie had gotten the idea that he was
• 29:22
  being unfairly punished for this thing that he just had to do
• 29:26
  because there was no other choice.
• 29:30
  And he and a long time friend of Packard were able to convince
• 29:34
  the public through like articles and stories that it was unfair.
• 29:40
  And then so he was released and he he always viewed her as being
• 29:45
  his like savior because she basically got him out of jail.
• 29:50
  Dude, that's ridiculous and. From from there he kind of just
• 29:55
  like he worked little odd jobs and then he retired.
• 29:59
  He died in 19 O 7 at the age of 65.
• 30:03
  They cited the causes dementia, trouble and worry, which is
• 30:07
  basically old time in medical talk for he had a stroke before
• 30:12
  he died. He he was known to be very
• 30:14
  modest and very charitable and he lived as a vegetarian.
• 30:21
  All right, so the man noticed a cannibal.
• 30:23
  He went, he went vegan at the end there he said no more meat
• 30:27
  for this guy, you. Know what?
• 30:28
  I've had my fair share. But you know what?
• 30:30
  If I had to eat a person, I'd probably also go vegetarian
• 30:33
  after. Well, like eating human, doesn't
• 30:37
  it like make you actually go crazy?
• 30:39
  Turns you into an indigo or something, yeah.
• 30:41
  I thought, I thought there was like the something in the meat
• 30:44
  in the ends. I don't.
• 30:45
  I'm not a goddamn scientist. It definitely.
• 30:47
  I mean it has a psychological effect like if you.
• 30:50
  Oh yeah, dude you eat a dude you.
• 30:52
  Know, yeah, if you look at like stuff from the Donner Party or
• 30:56
  if you ever watched the Terror, yeah, or that the one about the
• 31:01
  the fucking soccer team that crashed in the mountains.
• 31:05
  Oh yeah, the rugby. Fuck yeah.
• 31:07
  The rugby. The rugby team.
• 31:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's like,
• 31:13
  that's the real Alfred Packer's story.
• 31:16
  If you look up a picture of Alfred Packer, it's crazy how
• 31:18
  much he looks like a young Trey Parker.
• 31:20
  He does. It's ridiculous.
• 31:21
  It's like it's honestly a little bit insane.
• 31:25
  After he died, they did continue to investigate this.
• 31:31
  They part of that investigation did include exhuming Packer and
• 31:36
  the other men's remains, which resulted in parts of his
• 31:41
  skeleton, namely his skull, going missing.
• 31:45
  And so we got another stop on the on the IT came from screen
• 31:50
  box field trip right after we find the frogman in Loveland,
• 31:53
  OH. But the skull.
• 31:55
  As of 2008, the skull is reported to be at the Ripley's
• 31:59
  Museum in San Antonio, TX. Are you serious?
• 32:04
  Yeah. And there are.
• 32:05
  There are many there are rumors that it's fake or that it's just
• 32:09
  some random skull, but that is, you know them, them's be the
• 32:14
  rumors. That's what we got.
• 32:17
  So the most recent, the most recent investigation into the
• 32:21
  thing happened somewhat recently.
• 32:23
  It was 115 years after this incident, but people were still
• 32:28
  investigating it and they still don't fully know what happened.
• 32:31
  But what what the common theory is is that Packer just killed
• 32:37
  them all in their sleep and lived off their corpses for a
• 32:40
  while. Because when?
• 32:44
  Bad guy. Yeah, So, you know, maybe he
• 32:47
  didn't. He felt he didn't have a choice.
• 32:49
  Maybe they did go snow blind and they went crazy.
• 32:52
  Who can say? But we got a pretty good movie
• 32:57
  out of it. Thank you, Alfred.
• 32:59
  Thank you, Mr. Packard. We appreciate that.
• 33:04
  Fantastic. Stuff.
• 33:06
  Fantastic. Did you have any more?
• 33:09
  Nope, that's all of it. Oh my God.
• 33:12
  A lot of fun stuff. Yeah, that was fun, that.
• 33:15
  Was a good history lesson. Great movie.
• 33:17
  Five out of five. Well, I think it's like it's a
• 33:19
  it's a silly movie, but it's also like it's a crazy story.
• 33:22
  Like that's that is just like a little piece of the story.
• 33:26
  There's people go like the official stuff goes pretty deep
• 33:30
  on like how exactly? Like beat for beat, how do they
• 33:33
  think it went down? That's cool.
• 33:36
  I fuck with that heavy. I like that.
• 33:40
  Yes. Mr. Alex, what's your rating?
• 33:42
  Five out of five. Yeah, it's five out of five,
• 33:48
  Yeah. It's another perfect go watch
• 33:49
  it. It's another perfect score on.
• 33:52
  I think sometimes people are going to be like, well, these
• 33:53
  guys are too lenient. But like for certain movies,
• 33:55
  like it's just a perfect movie. The writing is just like, do I
• 33:59
  enjoy ones? Yeah, we've given ones.
• 34:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're. Doing looking at you cocaine
• 34:06
  crabs. Hey, but we we did have fun
• 34:09
  with. You.
• 34:09
  I'm pretty sure I gave that one a good one, yeah.
• 34:11
  Give it a 3 or 4. Well, there's a lot of, you
• 34:14
  know, there's a lot of good stuff being added to screen box
• 34:16
  right now. They just put on a whole.
• 34:19
  Is it the entire Tromba catalog? It's a lot of it.
• 34:22
  I think there's more coming. Yeah, they put a a a big amount
• 34:26
  of tromba movies, all the classics.
• 34:29
  I'm kind of surprised this one was on there, but I'm not
• 34:32
  surprised after learning that they see it as the like one of
• 34:36
  their best offerings. But Amen, really good.
• 34:42
  It's it's. You can also.
• 34:43
  It's a it's an easy foot in the trauma because it's not.
• 34:47
  I highly recommend this on YouTube.
• 34:50
  The director's commentary for the movie is available.
• 34:54
  You can just pop that on while you're watching it.
• 34:56
  It's very funny. Oh, I'm so about that.
• 35:00
  Will you get the nick? 05 out of five.
• 35:03
  It's a perfect film. Yeah, it's.
• 35:05
  Perfect film. This is a great that's another
• 35:06
  great pick. I'm super pumped on it.
• 35:09
  I love this movie. I've always loved this movie
• 35:11
  since I saw it. And I think you should watch
• 35:14
  this with a good group of friends.
• 35:16
  Watch it by yourself. This is a good film to watch
• 35:18
  whenever you can again, with friends, by yourself.
• 35:21
  It don't matter. It's it's awesome.
• 35:24
  It's it's funny, it's got great gore.
• 35:26
  It's got good gags. It's got good slapstick.
• 35:29
  It's just got fucking silly humor and mature humor and sex
• 35:33
  humor. And it's it's it's just good.
• 35:35
  This is a great film that you should go watch.
• 35:37
  And that's a perfect pic from Noah.
• 35:39
  So fuck yeah. Now, next week, it's Alex's
• 35:43
  pick. Yes, I'm excited.
• 35:47
  I'm excited Alex picked a better.
• 35:48
  Here Alex picks good movies. He does.
• 35:51
  Dude, I'm still, I'm still stoked on the Evil Dead trap.
• 35:54
  Man, that movie. Was saying I want.
• 35:56
  To watch the second one. Same and it's not a fucking.
• 36:00
  We still haven't watched the rest of the sleep away camps
• 36:02
  either. Noah.
• 36:03
  Oh dude, it's a. Lot of good stuff.
• 36:07
  Man. All right, guys. 38 bucks a year
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  for. All 38 bucks a year for
• 36:11
  screenbox baby you should get. It you're met at the movies, not
• 36:14
  at the prices. That's my boy Alex.
• 36:16
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  Go see this when you can through the over the weekend.
• 36:50
  It's a great film. Expect Oh shit no.
• 36:53
  Next week is our Toxic Avenger. No, that's WASD next week.
• 36:57
  Yeah, yeah. So it is Alex's pick next week
• 37:00
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