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Credlin | 2 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland live on Skyings Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to show. I've got some interesting updates
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Speaker 2: about Fatima payment. I'll give you thoyse When we speak
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Speaker 2: to Andrew Clanell, he is what else is coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. The fallout from pavements to fiance continues.
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Speaker 2: The rogue Senator's suspension back today by the Labor Caucus,
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Speaker 2: but it's also fuelling a new political movement within the
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Speaker 2: Islamic community to oust prominent labor ministers from their seats
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Speaker 2: in Western Sydney, the Prime Minister turns down an overseas trip.
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Speaker 2: Yes you heard that right, meaning this says to me
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Speaker 2: he is worried about the look of international travel as
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Speaker 2: he fights to wing back voters hit hard by cost
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Speaker 2: of living pain. Now does it matter that he isn't
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Speaker 2: fronting at this major NATO summit in Washington.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Clanel weigh in in a moment as.
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Speaker 2: Labor two continues to peddle their lines about renewables being
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Speaker 2: the cheapest form of energy, and your report show is
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Speaker 2: just how false those claims are and how the csro's
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Speaker 2: own figures have got it so wrong. The author of
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Speaker 2: that rapport, Professor Steven Wilson joins me shortly, and a
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Speaker 2: major win for Donald Trump as the US Supreme Court
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Speaker 2: sides with the former president over absolute immunity for official acts.
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Speaker 2: But the Democrat's hypocrisy was soon on show. Was Joe
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Speaker 2: Biden addressed the American people didn't take questions, but then
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Speaker 2: questioned himself Trump's fitness for office?
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Speaker 4: Only four years ago, my predecessor send a violent mob
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Speaker 4: to the US capital to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
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Speaker 4: Now the American people will have to do what the
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Speaker 4: court should have been willing to do or not. The
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Speaker 4: America po wer have to render a judgment about Donald
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Speaker 4: Trump's behavior. The American people must the side. Whether Donald
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Speaker 4: Trumps was sold on a democracy on January sixth makes
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Speaker 4: the mind fit for public office, and the highest office
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Speaker 4: than land.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that highly scripted as I said, no
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Speaker 2: questions and Jesus hit the fake tan over the weekend,
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Speaker 2: hasn't he? But first iff As Labor says, the next
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Speaker 2: election will be a referendum on nuclear energy. It will
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Speaker 2: turn on voters understanding of system costs. Labour's argument is
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Speaker 2: that wind and solar power is cheap, but the nuclear
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Speaker 2: power is ruinously expensive.
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Speaker 5: Renewable energy is very different to nuclear energy, because I'm
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Speaker 5: asked about the differences, because renewable energy is the cheapest
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Speaker 5: form of energy and nuclear is the most expensive form
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Speaker 5: of energy, and they don't go too well together.
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Speaker 2: And it is true that wind and solar power is
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Speaker 2: cheap when the weather cooperates. The problem is we need
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Speaker 2: power twenty four seven, not just on sunny days or
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Speaker 2: when it's windy.
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Speaker 3: And it's also true that.
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Speaker 2: Nuclear power is expensive to build. The nuclear power plant
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Speaker 2: that's just opened in Dubai took about a decade to build,
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Speaker 2: cost thirty billion dollars, but it's now producing about a
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Speaker 2: third of the energy needs for the Emirates. As a
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Speaker 2: new report from the IPA shows, it's not just the
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Speaker 2: cost of the electricity system's individual components count, but it's
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Speaker 2: the total system cost. The total system cost that determines
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Speaker 2: the price of power, which, as we all know too well,
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Speaker 2: has been going up remorselessly over the past decade. Paying
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Speaker 2: for wind and solar doesn't just mean the relatively low
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Speaker 2: cost of wind turbines and solar panels, plus the input
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Speaker 2: the energy of free sun and free wind compared with
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Speaker 2: the relatively high cost for traditional coalfied powers plus their
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Speaker 2: expensive coal inputs. It also means, in the case of
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Speaker 2: wind and solar, all the extra transmission line that renewables
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Speaker 2: need to integrate them into a synchronous system.
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Speaker 3: Then there's the.
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Speaker 2: Backup power that's also required with wind and solar, because
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Speaker 2: we need power constantly, so we need constant electricity, not
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Speaker 2: intermittent electricity. And right now, that backup is the colified
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Speaker 2: power colified power system that's been operating in Australia for
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Speaker 2: generations and that still produces about sixty percent of the
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Speaker 2: total power we use in this country.
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Speaker 3: Now, by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: Five, all of these colfied power plants are slated to close,
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Speaker 2: not because they need to, but because they're being forced
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Speaker 2: to in order to.
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Speaker 3: Meet emissions targets.
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Speaker 2: Now, the costs of replacing this col fired power will
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Speaker 2: be astronomical. First, there's the overbuild required because wind and
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Speaker 2: solar only works on average about a third of the time.
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Speaker 2: Then there's the backup quiet either gas which is increasingly
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Speaker 2: in short supply, batteries which are only keeping the system
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Speaker 2: going for a few moments, or pump hydro which as
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Speaker 2: we've seen with snowy two point zero, is also vastly expensive. Finally,
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Speaker 2: there's the extra transmission lines required at least ten thousand
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Speaker 2: kilometers that have to run the gauntlet of local protests
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Speaker 2: in regional areas now as.
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Speaker 3: Well as cost blowouts.
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Speaker 2: Hence the title of the IPAs report out today, the
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Speaker 2: Ruinous cost of Free Energy. As it reports author Professor
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Speaker 2: Stephen Wilson points out, for the lowest total system cost
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Speaker 2: and hence the lowest power bills for consumers, we should
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Speaker 2: keep operating in the system we have and have no
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Speaker 2: more renewables coming in. He says that a system with
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Speaker 2: far more renewables, this is the one the government wants
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Speaker 2: by twenty thirty, with gas firming up renewables, will roughly
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Speaker 2: overall power costs. He says that a system that's entirely
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Speaker 2: renewable dependent with batteries and pump hydro, not gas doing
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Speaker 2: the firming, that will roughly quadruple the overall power costs.
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Speaker 2: So when Energy Minister Chris Bowen endlessly repeats that wind
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Speaker 2: and solar are the cheapest forms of power, he's not
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Speaker 2: telling a lie, but he's not telling you the whole truth.
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Speaker 2: As all of us should have realized by now because
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Speaker 2: the more wind and solar we've had in Australia, the
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Speaker 2: more our bills have gone up, Meaning Labour's three hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars handout this week barely touches asides. This is the
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Speaker 2: issue and we're not being told the truth. Look at
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Speaker 2: the last election, it was the Teals that took seats
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Speaker 2: off the Coalition by focusing on just one issue that
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Speaker 2: was important to a big chunk.
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Speaker 3: Of local voters.
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Speaker 2: At the next election, Labor might face the same sort
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Speaker 2: of challenge, only this time it won't be climate crusaders
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Speaker 2: winning seats by appealing to the luxury beliefs of well
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Speaker 2: off voters. It will be islam as STA activists winning
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Speaker 2: seats by appealing into the sectarian interest of Muslim voters,
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Speaker 2: Or at least that's the plan reported in today's Australian newspaper.
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Speaker 2: An organization called the Muslim Vote, largely modeled on a
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Speaker 2: comparable organization that won a swag of seats at the
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Speaker 2: recent UK local council elections, has now opened applications for
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Speaker 2: prospective candidates in the electorates of Ministers Jason Claire and
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke, both these seats are in Western Sydney. In
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Speaker 2: the case of Blackxland, thirty two percent of voters there
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Speaker 2: a Muslim. In the case of Watson that's Burke seat,
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Speaker 2: twenty five percent of voters there a Muslim. Now, if
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Speaker 2: all of these voters could be mobilized to preference against
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Speaker 2: sitting Labor minute, both men would lose their seats. That's
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Speaker 2: what this mob, the Muslim vote, wants to do to
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Speaker 2: make the Labor government even more pro Palestinian by threatening
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Speaker 2: the seats of ministers, just like the Teals wanted to
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Speaker 2: make the Liberal Party focus even more on climate politics
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Speaker 2: by threatening its well healed seats.
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Speaker 3: Only here there is a key difference.
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Speaker 2: Now, whatever you thought about the Teals and the climate policies,
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Speaker 2: at least they were being argued on the basis, they said,
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Speaker 2: of Australia's national interests. They were appealing to Australians as Australians.
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Speaker 2: By contrast, this mob, the Muslim vote wants people to
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Speaker 2: vote not what's on the best interest for Australians, but
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Speaker 2: what's on the best interests for people in Gaza. With
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Speaker 2: all the other challenges we face as Australians, importing the
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Speaker 2: quarrels from other countries and putting it risk our unity. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's the last thing we need, right, We'll get to Payment.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to the Boosom vote to I speak to
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Speaker 2: the journalists who broke that story a little later.
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Speaker 3: In the show.
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Speaker 2: But let's go out to Campra for the headlines. Skyney's
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Speaker 2: political reporter cam Reddit.
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Speaker 6: Good Evening Labour Caucus has endorsed a call by the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister to suspend Senator Fatima Payman until she agrees
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Speaker 6: to play bi party rules.
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Speaker 7: Senator Payment is more than welcome to participate in the
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Speaker 7: team if she agrees that she's part of the team.
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Speaker 6: Some had wanted Senator Payman expelled from the party after
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Speaker 6: she crossed the floor to back a Green's motion on
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Speaker 6: Palestinian statehood, but Anthony Albanesi told his team showing restraint
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Speaker 6: and compassion is a sign of strength, not weakness.
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Speaker 8: There's very clear evidence of colleagues reaching out to Senator
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Speaker 8: Payment over the.
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Speaker 9: Last several days.
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Speaker 6: Senator Payman sat out of question time and will abstain
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Speaker 6: from VO voting while she reflects on her future in
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Speaker 6: the party.
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Speaker 10: If you don't want to agree with the strategy of
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Speaker 10: the team, then it's okay to sit on the bench.
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Speaker 6: The Greens will seek to capitalize on Senator Payment's stand,
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Speaker 6: launching a campaign blitz in Labor electorates over the winter break.
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Speaker 6: The Greens will dawknock voters in five Labour seats, calling
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Speaker 6: on those MPs to follow Senator Payment and back the
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Speaker 6: recognition of Palestine in the Parliament.
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Speaker 9: We want them to.
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Speaker 6: Shift their position, and we want Labor to shift its position.
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Speaker 3: It's just the Greens turning trunch, turn misery into politics.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister will skip next week's NATO summit in Washington,
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Speaker 6: d C.
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Speaker 11: We make these decisions in the national interest, really carefully,
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Speaker 11: really soberly.
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Speaker 6: Instead, Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles will attend in his place.
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Speaker 3: This is frankly a dereliction of duty by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 12: It would be a very time efficient way for the
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister to engage with a whole range of counterparts.
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Speaker 6: A change in tune to previous criticisms of overseas travel.
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Speaker 3: Now we've got airbus elbow.
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Speaker 2: He wants to get on a planet, would see whenever
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Speaker 2: he can.
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Speaker 6: He bags the Prime Minister for going overseas, and he
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Speaker 6: bags him for not going overseas Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get across those headlines. I'm joined now
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Speaker 2: by Sky News Political editor Andrew Clannell. Great to have
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Speaker 2: you as always, Andrew, I didn't notice today watching question
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Speaker 2: Time both sides really tried to keep their focus on
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Speaker 2: cost of living. The Government's pushing hard on its handouts,
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Speaker 2: the opposition trying to show up Labour's policies as unworkable.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 9: Analysis shows that the Labour's migration policies of nearly one
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Speaker 9: million migrants in the last two years, one new home
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Speaker 9: needs to be built every two minutes to accommodate your
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Speaker 9: current immigration intake, Prime Minister, under your government, why has
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Speaker 9: home ownership never been further out of reach for Ausraels.
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 2: The question is why they're so focused. Of course, the
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Speaker 2: governments spending a lot of money. They're getting ready for
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Speaker 2: a campaign. News poll hit them both yesterday and I
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Speaker 2: think that's because in the last fortnight both major players
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Speaker 2: weren't focused on the issues facing household today too. Essential
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Speaker 2: poll picked up a sharp increase in voters. You say
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Speaker 2: Australia is headed in the wrong direction. Give me your
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Speaker 2: take and where we're at.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think Peter Dutton was looking really good and
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Speaker 13: then he did the nuclear policy. That's what I think,
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Speaker 13: and I think that some voters are a bit unsure
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Speaker 13: about that, you know, federal government ownership of seven nuclear
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Speaker 13: power plans. So before that he was inching up around
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Speaker 13: thirty nine. Having said that, the government's stuck. It's stuck
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Speaker 13: in the mart in terms of its primary vote. It's
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Speaker 13: never moving upwards. It can only stay the same or
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Speaker 13: move downwards at about thirty two percent. Now they won
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Speaker 13: the election with thirty two and a half, so they
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Speaker 13: showed it can be done. But it's a far cry
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Speaker 13: from the labor governments of the past who were thirty
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Speaker 13: eight at least. So it shows that missed our butt easy.
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Speaker 13: He can win, but he's missed the thirty two percent
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Speaker 13: at the moment and the government's on the back foot,
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Speaker 13: But the oppositions put itself on the back foot when
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Speaker 13: perhaps it didn't need to. That's my assessment. The migration thing,
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Speaker 13: that is a strong area to push because you can
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Speaker 13: argue that you can do interest rate hikes, but if
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Speaker 13: you've got all these people coming in and you've got
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Speaker 13: a labor shortage, as well, they're not the right people.
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Speaker 13: There's more housing required. That means you need more labor workers,
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Speaker 13: sort of construction workers. Should I say, you end up
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Speaker 13: in the kind of this vicious circle in terms of inflation,
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Speaker 13: and that's something the federal that can be pinned on
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Speaker 13: the federal government. That's when you stop saying, oh, it's
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Speaker 13: because of Ukraine or it's because there's global inflation. That
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Speaker 13: is something they can control. So that's probably a wise
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Speaker 13: course of action for the opposition to hammer away at that.
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Speaker 13: But at the moment, Peter, the opposition are going, here's
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Speaker 13: our immigration policy, come off it, here's our nuclear policy, offit,
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Speaker 13: here's a divestitship policy. I mean, when you were hanging
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Speaker 13: around with Tony Abbott, you weren't doing that. You were
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Speaker 13: just consistently messaging, consistently on message, and these guys aren't
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Speaker 13: doing that at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Look, I do think they had to get the nuclear
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Speaker 2: meat on the bones out there if they're going to
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Speaker 2: take it to the election, which they are. There's no
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Speaker 2: great time to lob it out there. It's a difficulty
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Speaker 2: to understand, and I think when you look at those
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Speaker 2: numbers yesterday, that's not too bad. You know, they've just
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Speaker 2: really started their campaign. It's certainly better than the voice was.
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Speaker 2: They turned that around, so I think they'll put some
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Speaker 2: effort in there. I think Ted O'Brien, I'm talking to
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Speaker 2: him a bit later on. I mean, he's very good
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Speaker 2: on the detail, but I think the macro messaging for
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Speaker 2: the coalition has got a lift. They have to get
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Speaker 2: close to forty. They have no sort of golden ticket
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Speaker 2: with a ten percent preference deal with the Greens and
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Speaker 2: the way that Labor does that's where they're going to hurt.
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Speaker 2: And I'll be interested in what you make of this.
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Speaker 2: That story today in the AFR the Financial Review that
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Speaker 2: Albanezy has quietly shifted his budget strategy. So he's got
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Speaker 2: this arrangement now that all their existing but unannounced policies
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Speaker 2: he can junk them. He can put the money in
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Speaker 2: a basic pot for election commitments. They'll be running all
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Speaker 2: the new proposals, we're told directly through the PM's office.
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Speaker 2: That's not unusual when you're getting this close to a campaign,
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Speaker 2: but that tells me we are getting this close to
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Speaker 2: a campaign and they'll run them through under the guise
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Speaker 2: of my EFO. At the end of the year, they'll
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Speaker 2: use all the resources of government and treasury to cost
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Speaker 2: them up and they'll have them in their back pocket
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Speaker 2: and be.
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Speaker 3: Ready to run. I still think will be at a
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Speaker 3: poll by the end of the year.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm not convinced. And the reason I'm not is
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Speaker 13: we could get another rate hike. If we don't get
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Speaker 13: another rate hike, maybe I'll tell you when it isn't.
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Speaker 13: It isn't in September, I can tell you that. Right then,
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Speaker 13: you've got the Queens election in October, and you've got
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Speaker 13: the Wa election in March. So that's a real because
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Speaker 13: going in marches, and it's not about a time for
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Speaker 13: federal elections traditionally for a government. But I think I
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Speaker 13: think it's either November December or it's April May. And
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Speaker 13: he hasn't made up his mind, but he's leaning more
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Speaker 13: towards going later because things aren't going so great. So
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Speaker 13: if things aren't going so great, if they could say
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Speaker 13: you resign yourself, could get worse. Yeah, yes, But okay,
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Speaker 13: but what about this argument. Let's say you were certain
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Speaker 13: to go to a hung parliament. Let's just say that's
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Speaker 13: you assessed, that's the situation. Wouldn't you rather have a
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Speaker 13: majority parliament for longer, and that will be playing into
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Speaker 13: the PM's head. And you'll also think, wouldn't if you
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Speaker 13: if you going to hung Parliament, you're probably only getting
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Speaker 13: two terms, why would you rob yourself for six months?
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Speaker 13: So these are the sorts of things he's thinking about,
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Speaker 13: I think, and this is why I was a real
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Speaker 13: after the budget. I thought this is set up for
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Speaker 13: an early election. I think they probably wanted that. But
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Speaker 13: now that's I've really could my jets on that, as
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Speaker 13: have they. I think, Peter, I.
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Speaker 2: Think they'll have all the options though you know, once again,
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Speaker 2: my husband ran campaigns with John Howard and Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 2: His job was not to say when the election was.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's the job of the Prime minister. His
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Speaker 2: job is to put all the options on the table.
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Speaker 2: They are absolutely I'm looking at all these things that
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Speaker 2: are happening behind the scenes. I'm reading this that they
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Speaker 2: are giving the Prime Minister the option to go early.
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Speaker 2: Whether he will or was, I agree with you, he
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Speaker 2: hasn't made up his mind. But that's where we're at.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's an odds on option that they'll
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Speaker 2: be at a pole before Christmas and it'll be.
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Speaker 13: After quiet and if they're well, I don't know about
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Speaker 13: odds on, but if there are in a war footing,
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Speaker 13: that's also hardly surprising because it's ten it's only ten
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Speaker 13: months away now and probably less like you'd go straight
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Speaker 13: after WA if you're going next year, So that's nine months.
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about payment because this is interesting. They
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Speaker 2: need this week to be a big success to kick
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Speaker 2: off the you know, the one July cell job focus
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Speaker 2: on cost of living, saying to pe people we get
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Speaker 2: at airbus elbows over, we're focused on you. Venima payment though,
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Speaker 2: is an ongoing saga. I mentioned at the top of
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Speaker 2: the show that Caucus had backed the Prime Minister in
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Speaker 2: on suspending her. Now I've heard late this afternoon she's
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Speaker 2: on the brink of leaving the party.
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Speaker 3: We saw reporting the.
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Speaker 2: Australia and again late this afternoon that she's taking advice
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Speaker 2: from Glenn Drury.
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Speaker 3: He's the preference whisperer. The talk is that.
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Speaker 2: She's not going to the Greens, that she's going independent.
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Speaker 2: Now the Greens have already got two, haven't they out
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Speaker 2: of wa So if she went to the Greens, incredibly
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Speaker 2: unlikely that she'd get up with a minor party on
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Speaker 2: the third spot on that ticket, so I suspect that's smart.
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Speaker 2: Drury is also reported to be in talks with that
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Speaker 2: alliance of Muslim groups trying to oust those labor ministers.
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Speaker 2: I've gone through that at the top of the show,
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Speaker 2: but Drury being involved in that is very interesting. How
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Speaker 2: do you how does the Prime Minister handle this, Andrew?
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Speaker 2: How do you see the chances are that she will
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Speaker 2: go independent by Thursday or on Thursday?
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Speaker 13: Well, how Mackie evellin an extraordinary and what treachery from
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Speaker 13: her that she's taking advice from Glen Dreury. After this
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Speaker 13: story appeared, it emerged to me Peter that he's basically
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Speaker 13: been acting like her press secretary. He might have even
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Speaker 13: facilitated that Insiders interview. It's an open secret apparently here
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Speaker 13: in the press gallery. And this guy's the preference whisperer.
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Speaker 13: Her own staff should be doing that job. That's what
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Speaker 13: they're paid tax payer money for. So she's got him
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Speaker 13: with a bad crowd here. And look, I think she's
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Speaker 13: definitely leaving the Lab Party. I think the PM knows that,
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Speaker 13: and he's seen plenty of defectors, so he's about to
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Speaker 13: get one maybe she's less troubled to him if she
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Speaker 13: does do it quite frankly the way she's going being
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Speaker 13: at this defiant saying I'm going to cross the floor
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Speaker 13: all the time. And yes, I mean, let's face it.
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Speaker 13: I know you spoke about Lower House seats and they
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Speaker 13: can cause some big headaches for Labor there, But what
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Speaker 13: about the Senate? Can they win a set that spot
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Speaker 13: pretty big Muslim population in Australia Senate spot or two
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Speaker 13: and so yeah, I think that looks like the plan
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Speaker 13: and that is incredible. Really the Labor Party gets her here,
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Speaker 13: she's twenty nine, she's an next union official and she's
20:13
Speaker 13: already thinking about I mean it is it really is
20:17
Speaker 13: going to be. We've had a lot of history making
20:20
Speaker 13: moments here, like Peter Dutton's nuclear policy recently. This is
20:24
Speaker 13: you feel this is another one if she comes part
20:27
Speaker 13: of this other entity, the first ever kind of Muslim
20:31
Speaker 13: based political party in Australia, and you wouldn't rule it out.
20:35
Speaker 13: I think that Glen Dreary thing makes it particularly murky.
20:38
Speaker 13: And your producer said you were going to ask me
20:40
Speaker 13: about it just before I came on. I can see why, because,
20:44
Speaker 13: like you, I look at that and go oh, you
20:46
Speaker 13: know it's a long time political observer and go oh wow,
20:49
Speaker 13: what is going on here? I mean, this is the
20:51
Speaker 13: guy who stitches up all the minor party preference steels.
20:54
Speaker 13: I used to see him in the new Sepals parliament
20:56
Speaker 13: with what they call the tablecloth, does the mathematics to
20:59
Speaker 13: get people with very little votes a preference steal which
21:03
Speaker 13: gets them into parliament. I think Ricky Mull was the
21:05
Speaker 13: Victorian and that so called motoring party got him elected,
21:10
Speaker 13: So she's teaming up with him. I think Alberenezy needs
21:12
Speaker 13: to get rid of her. I mean, she's not acting
21:14
Speaker 13: as a labor member of Parliament.
21:16
Speaker 2: Should look if there's any truth to those rumors there
21:20
Speaker 2: certainly the reports tonight. I think he'd be better be
21:23
Speaker 2: on the front foot and send her packing and look
21:25
Speaker 2: like he's dancing to her tune.
21:27
Speaker 3: Hey just quickly.
21:28
Speaker 2: Criticism today from the opposition towards the Prime Minister for
21:32
Speaker 2: not going to the NATO somebody in Washington next week,
21:35
Speaker 2: sending the Deputy prime minister last year, they were pretty
21:38
Speaker 2: cranky that he was away too often.
21:41
Speaker 3: How do you read this? What's your call?
21:44
Speaker 13: I read it that you can't have it both ways.
21:50
Speaker 3: Well, I have to be honest.
21:50
Speaker 2: If I was advising the Prime Minister, if I was
21:52
Speaker 2: in the office, I would say stay home, mate, we're
21:55
Speaker 2: going to the pollsuit. We need to focused on the
21:57
Speaker 2: stuff that real people are focused on, and you can
22:00
Speaker 2: send your DPM. That would be what I would do,
22:04
Speaker 2: isn't it Yeah, yeah, I think it is. I think
22:08
Speaker 2: it is all right. I leave it there, let's go
22:10
Speaker 2: to Sitney now. Twenty two year old man was allegedly
22:12
Speaker 2: stabbed earlier today by a teenager, a fourteen year old
22:16
Speaker 2: on the grounds of Sydney University. Senior reporter Caroline Marcus
22:20
Speaker 2: standing by with the latest Caroline Police press conference this afternoon.
22:24
Speaker 2: You also have new details that have been released.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Peter, I can confirm the new and concerning details
22:35
Speaker 14: about the past of this fourteen year old who is
22:38
Speaker 14: alleged to have stabbed a twenty two year old Australian
22:42
Speaker 14: student at the University of Sydney this morning have emerged
22:46
Speaker 14: late this afternoon. I understand that the boy had been
22:49
Speaker 14: in a deradicalization program with the New South Wales Department
22:53
Speaker 14: of Communities and Justice. He had previously been charged over
22:58
Speaker 14: plotting an attack on a school in Sydney last year
23:03
Speaker 14: that a source has described as being referred to as
23:07
Speaker 14: a christ Church style attack. Now the christ Church attack,
23:11
Speaker 14: of course, was back in twenty nineteen when fifty one
23:15
Speaker 14: people were killed in a New Zealand mosque. I understand
23:20
Speaker 14: that the charge that this boy had been charged over
23:23
Speaker 14: for that incident the school incident, was not terror related.
23:28
Speaker 14: Rather it had more to do with stalking and intimidation,
23:31
Speaker 14: but those charges were dismissed by a children's court earlier
23:35
Speaker 14: this year.
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Speaker 3: On mental health grounds.
23:39
Speaker 14: Now he is under police investigation over this stabbing incident
23:45
Speaker 14: at the university. It's alleged that he was dressed in
23:49
Speaker 14: camouflage Defense Force uniform when he attacked the older man
23:58
Speaker 14: who he didn't know with in life, stabbing him in
24:01
Speaker 14: the neck. Now the twenty two year old is in
24:04
Speaker 14: hospital in a serious but stable condition. Tonight, the fourteen
24:09
Speaker 14: year old was also taken to hospital for well presented
24:13
Speaker 14: to hospital for injuries to his hand and his undergoing
24:16
Speaker 14: a mental health assessment. He hasn't been charged as yet,
24:20
Speaker 14: and police have not confirmed that it was a terror attack,
24:25
Speaker 14: although they are exploring the possibility he was motivated by
24:29
Speaker 14: extremist ideology. Ideology they described in a press conference as
24:35
Speaker 14: being mixed and unclear. Here's the Assistant New South Wales
24:39
Speaker 14: Police Commissioner.
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Speaker 1: It's also known as the sort of salad bar of ideologies. People.
24:46
Speaker 1: A lot of these vulnerable people that they're not linked
24:50
Speaker 1: into one particular ideology. They will move as they're exposed
24:54
Speaker 1: to different things. You know, it might be of a
24:57
Speaker 1: white supremacist, neo Nazi, can easily flip into a religious ideation.
25:08
Speaker 14: Police said there is no ongoing threat to the community, Peter,
25:12
Speaker 14: but they have warned families to be vigilant about online radicalization.
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh it so I watched that press conference, Caroline,
25:24
Speaker 2: and the police were very careful with their language. But
25:28
Speaker 2: you've got more information tonight. It's very very disturbing. Thank
25:31
Speaker 2: you for joining us. Look after break, we'll speak to
25:34
Speaker 2: the reporter who broke that exclusive story about the Muslim
25:37
Speaker 2: vote and moves a foot to pick up votes in
25:42
Speaker 2: western Sydney. We'll also look at the government's current energy plan.
25:46
Speaker 2: They're not telling you the whole truth. Chris Bowen's costings
25:50
Speaker 2: miss the mark. We'll get into the detail on those numbers,
25:53
Speaker 2: and also the countdown to the UK election. The latest
25:56
Speaker 2: as Nigel Farage hopes to overtake the Tories. Plus surprise
26:00
Speaker 2: press conference today from in Battle President Joe Biden, welcome back.
26:09
Speaker 2: We'll getting too that Supreme Court decision in the States
26:11
Speaker 2: where Donald Trump's had a major victory in court as
26:13
Speaker 2: his former advisor Steve Bannon reports for his four month
26:17
Speaker 2: prison sentence. We'll get to that as well as other
26:20
Speaker 2: things with first, following Anthony Albanezey's suspension of fatim and
26:23
Speaker 2: payment from the Labor Caucus, a teal sort of teal
26:27
Speaker 2: campaign is underway by the Islamic community to ouse the
26:31
Speaker 2: ALP in a number of Sydney and Melbourne seats. The
26:34
Speaker 2: group's called the Muslim Vote and it's seeking candidates for
26:38
Speaker 2: the electorates of Blaxland, which is held by Education Minister
26:40
Speaker 2: Jason Clare Watson held by Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke,
26:45
Speaker 2: amongst others, all seats with high Muslim populations. For more
26:50
Speaker 2: of this, I'll talk to the journalists who broke the story.
26:53
Speaker 2: The Australian's New South Wales political reporter Alexei Dimitriati. Alexi,
26:58
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. The Muslim Vote isn't a
27:01
Speaker 2: new organization They have a very prominent model along these
27:05
Speaker 2: lines in the United Kingdom. I mean, clearly it's been
27:08
Speaker 2: successful there they've imported it here. But it looks to
27:12
Speaker 2: me that they're really ramping up this campaign since the
27:15
Speaker 2: suspension of Fatima payment. So the timing at least is
27:20
Speaker 2: related here.
27:20
Speaker 3: Isn't it.
27:21
Speaker 14: Yeah.
27:22
Speaker 8: Absolutely, The Muslim Vote AU the Australian model. It was
27:27
Speaker 8: established in December and then we've covered it yourselves covered
27:32
Speaker 8: it earlier this year in March and April. What looks
27:37
Speaker 8: like a sister campaign, also called the Muslim Vote in
27:40
Speaker 8: the UK is it's endorsing candidates giving the Muslim community
27:45
Speaker 8: a vote on a guide on how to vote in
27:48
Speaker 8: the British election this Thursday. It wasn't in its embryonic
27:51
Speaker 8: stages our understanding over the last couple of months, it
27:55
Speaker 8: was still getting its feet. It's run by a popular
27:59
Speaker 8: and in respected community leader called Shaik Wes Sam Chakawi.
28:03
Speaker 8: And then on Sunday it opened applications basically for expressions
28:08
Speaker 8: of interest candidates that wanted to run either for or
28:12
Speaker 8: backed by the Muslim Vote, and then of course with
28:15
Speaker 8: sending a payment suspension on Sunday. Over the last forty
28:19
Speaker 8: eight hours has really really ramped up, covered every around
28:22
Speaker 8: the media. A spokesperson for the group has been saying
28:25
Speaker 8: that they accepting candidates, will run candidates in Sydney. What
28:31
Speaker 8: that entails, I think is still a bit unclear whether
28:33
Speaker 8: it will be a case of independence backed by the
28:36
Speaker 8: campaign or reports earlier a bit earlier today on that
28:41
Speaker 8: looking to establish a political party. So it really has
28:44
Speaker 8: ramped up its operations. It's activity. It's since Sunday and
28:51
Speaker 8: there is angering, especially in the South of Sydney community
28:54
Speaker 8: at that decision on Sunday, and it's they're riding that wave.
28:57
Speaker 12: Essentially.
29:00
Speaker 2: It would be interesting if it was to form a
29:03
Speaker 2: political party in an official sense that's different than the Tills.
29:06
Speaker 2: Although let's be honest, they are a political party. You
29:10
Speaker 2: know how much fundraising it will do, who sits behind
29:14
Speaker 2: the organization and will they have a broader platform beyond
29:17
Speaker 2: the gaza issue, because that's one of the criticisms I
29:20
Speaker 2: have of.
29:20
Speaker 3: This organization in the UK.
29:23
Speaker 2: They are just basically wanting to put pressure on the
29:26
Speaker 2: UK government about policy positions that really just gaza positions,
29:33
Speaker 2: how mass type positions.
29:34
Speaker 3: Nothing really to do.
29:36
Speaker 2: At this stage, at least sharia law and other things
29:38
Speaker 2: could come about policy change for residents of.
29:43
Speaker 3: The United Kingdom per se. Do we know any more.
29:45
Speaker 2: About what's on the table here with this organization in Australia.
29:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:51
Speaker 8: So I think it's accurate and fair to say that
29:54
Speaker 8: the main tenet, a main platform they will run on
29:57
Speaker 8: will be Palestine. That's evident and that's accurate. That's the
30:03
Speaker 8: issue particularly across the South of Sydney community, particularly areas
30:08
Speaker 8: in Melbourne that people from the Muslim community want to
30:13
Speaker 8: want to vote their labor and comments out on. The
30:16
Speaker 8: campaign has said that it won't be exclusively to that issue.
30:21
Speaker 8: They will also run on cost of living. They cost
30:26
Speaker 8: of living housing and facilities that cater for the community,
30:31
Speaker 8: so whether that be ensuring there's resources, centers, stuff like that.
30:39
Speaker 8: So it has said it will focus on other topics,
30:42
Speaker 8: but I think it is what.
30:44
Speaker 3: About immigration Alexi.
30:47
Speaker 2: Immigration was a question that came up from one of
30:49
Speaker 2: the teals today about visas coming.
30:52
Speaker 3: Out of out of Gaza.
30:54
Speaker 2: Now, I think the government's got to be very careful
30:57
Speaker 2: who gives the visa to.
30:58
Speaker 3: Coming out of Gaza.
31:00
Speaker 2: Given the support of that community for terrorism in the past,
31:05
Speaker 2: they should be checked there should be security information provided
31:08
Speaker 2: or they don't come. But one of the teals was
31:12
Speaker 2: pushing the government pretty hard to say, why are you
31:14
Speaker 2: refusing to give some people visas.
31:17
Speaker 3: I suspect that will also be on the table.
31:20
Speaker 8: It's going to be interesting to see, especially as we're
31:23
Speaker 8: near a likely early twenty twenty five election, what sort
31:26
Speaker 8: of policy platform they really put on the table, what
31:29
Speaker 8: sort of policies they will say they will campaign on.
31:32
Speaker 8: It's going to be fascinating to see how that works
31:36
Speaker 8: out over the next couple months. I think the broad
31:41
Speaker 8: Palestine of platform that they have said they will run
31:45
Speaker 8: on and are likely to run on, I think we'll
31:48
Speaker 8: encompass everything that that community is concerned with what the
31:51
Speaker 8: government's doing, or not happy with certain decisions they've taken.
31:54
Speaker 8: So I think we'll have a clearer picture, particularly as
31:58
Speaker 8: we go into the spring, what sort of exact policies
32:02
Speaker 8: or platforms or what they're going to campaign more specifically
32:07
Speaker 8: in the Palestine space. So I think we'll have a
32:10
Speaker 8: clear picture on that in the coming months.
32:12
Speaker 3: For certain, I will.
32:15
Speaker 2: Not as I just did with Andrew Klenow, in the
32:17
Speaker 2: fact that they've got a Drury Glen Drury involved giving
32:21
Speaker 2: them all the sort of insider back room political supporter
32:25
Speaker 2: which they'll pay for dearly.
32:27
Speaker 3: That shows me.
32:28
Speaker 2: It says to me that they're pretty serious. Thanks Alexi,
32:31
Speaker 2: thank you for your time.
32:33
Speaker 3: Right now.
32:33
Speaker 2: Though despite repeated claims by the Albanezer government that they.
32:36
Speaker 3: Would bring down your power prices.
32:39
Speaker 2: Analyst at UBS now, I expect prices to peak at
32:43
Speaker 2: one dollar four cents per mega what hour by twenty
32:46
Speaker 2: twenty nine. And that's a twenty percent increase on this
32:49
Speaker 2: year's forecast and almost fifty percent on twenty twenty three.
32:54
Speaker 2: And your report by the Institute of Public Affairs says
32:56
Speaker 2: while Australia's previously benefited from some of the low consumer
33:00
Speaker 2: power prices in the industrialized world, it now has some
33:04
Speaker 2: of the highest. It also points out that a renewables
33:07
Speaker 2: only power system is likely to be five or six
33:11
Speaker 2: times as expensive as what we have now, which is
33:15
Speaker 2: our existing cop fired power based load. The author of
33:19
Speaker 2: that report is a professor at the University of Queensland,
33:23
Speaker 2: Stephen Wilson. I'm delighted to say, he joins me. Now, Stephen,
33:27
Speaker 2: I just about to tear my hair out when I
33:29
Speaker 2: listened to Chris Bowen saying that renewables are the cheapest
33:33
Speaker 2: form of energy because he's playing with the numbers, isn't he.
33:40
Speaker 10: Yeah, So the problem is that they're not including all
33:44
Speaker 10: the costs when they present the cost numbers. We've heard
33:49
Speaker 10: this number thrown around recently of one hundred and twenty
33:52
Speaker 10: one billion or one hundred and twenty two billion dollars
33:56
Speaker 10: of capital investment.
33:57
Speaker 13: But when you look at.
33:59
Speaker 10: What's included, it turns out that the things that are
34:01
Speaker 10: not included are actually larger than the things that are included.
34:08
Speaker 3: So how do they get away with it?
34:12
Speaker 10: Well, I think the issue is Peter that if you
34:16
Speaker 10: use a simple metric like the levelized cost of energy,
34:20
Speaker 10: which you'll find in places. You'll find this reported by
34:24
Speaker 10: in the CSIO gen Cost Report, and you'll find it
34:29
Speaker 10: reported by Lazard and other people like that. The levelized
34:33
Speaker 10: cost of energy, it's very simple calculation, but it's far
34:37
Speaker 10: too simplistic, and it doesn't take account of what does
34:41
Speaker 10: it really cost to run the whole system and to
34:45
Speaker 10: deliver the service to the customers, which means balancing the
34:49
Speaker 10: demand of the customers every second of every day. And
34:52
Speaker 10: that's a non negotiable technical requirement of any power system.
34:58
Speaker 2: So to give me a practical example, are you saying
35:00
Speaker 2: that when they compare apples and oranges. When they're comparing
35:04
Speaker 2: say colifide power with the solar farm or renewable energy outfit,
35:11
Speaker 2: wind turbines or something, they're not calculating the cost it
35:14
Speaker 2: is to get the energy from the wind turbines in
35:17
Speaker 2: country New South Wales to consumers in city. They're not
35:20
Speaker 2: factoring in the transmission lines required, and they're not factoring
35:23
Speaker 2: in the firming power when the wind's not blowing.
35:26
Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking about.
35:29
Speaker 10: So they're not factoring in the cost of balancing that
35:31
Speaker 10: whole system. So you can't run the whole system just
35:35
Speaker 10: on those resources alone. You need other resources in the
35:39
Speaker 10: system to balance. So for example, simple example is have
35:44
Speaker 10: they included all the cost of all the storage and
35:47
Speaker 10: it appears.
35:47
Speaker 3: That they're not.
35:48
Speaker 10: They're assuming that there'll be very very large quantities of
35:51
Speaker 10: batteries owned by you and me and all the other
35:54
Speaker 10: private customers on the system, and they won't count the
35:57
Speaker 10: cost of those in their calculation. But then they'll assume
36:01
Speaker 10: that all of the customers will make those resources available
36:05
Speaker 10: to the system and put them under the control of
36:07
Speaker 10: the system. Operator to make sure that the generation and
36:11
Speaker 10: the low the supply and the demand can be balanced
36:13
Speaker 10: at all times.
36:17
Speaker 2: When I find extraordinary and listen to the Minister and
36:20
Speaker 2: the Prime ministers today in the Parliament and they talk
36:22
Speaker 2: about their green hydro. None of this is available at
36:25
Speaker 2: great scale. We might have household batteries available and they'll
36:30
Speaker 2: develop over time, but we still don't even have suburb
36:33
Speaker 2: wide battery storage. We don't have city wide battery storage.
36:38
Speaker 2: And the examples we've had in the past that keep
36:40
Speaker 2: a place like Adelaide going for under half an hour,
36:45
Speaker 2: how can they put together a price on energy and
36:48
Speaker 2: make this this huge transformation in six years time. It's
36:53
Speaker 2: all going to happen by twenty thirty if we really
36:55
Speaker 2: don't know what we're buying and we really don't know
36:58
Speaker 2: what it costs.
37:01
Speaker 10: Yeah, well that's the issue. It's been missold. I think,
37:05
Speaker 10: you know, the amount of storage that you would need
37:10
Speaker 10: to just to sort of solve the problem on paper
37:13
Speaker 10: is enormous, and when you start to cost that in
37:16
Speaker 10: you see these very very high costs. And then beyond that,
37:20
Speaker 10: the question in my mind is will this system even
37:23
Speaker 10: work on a technical level, you know, will it have
37:26
Speaker 10: the stability and the resilience and the robustness to maintain
37:31
Speaker 10: power at all times. Will the frequency remain stable, will
37:35
Speaker 10: the voltages remain stable, or will the system be very
37:39
Speaker 10: vulnerable and subject to collapse, which is what I and
37:43
Speaker 10: many other engineers think will be a problem.
37:47
Speaker 2: Well, well on the report. I think it's incredibly comprehensive.
37:50
Speaker 2: My audience are really interested in the energy issue, and
37:53
Speaker 2: I encourage them to head to the IPA website and
37:56
Speaker 2: read your report. Stephen Wilson, thank you for your time.
38:00
Speaker 2: After the break, Labour's urged to invest in gas experts
38:03
Speaker 2: warning of power bill hikes and blackouts sooner rather than later.
38:08
Speaker 2: And voters did Emanuel Macron in favor of the far
38:10
Speaker 2: right National Rally Party in France. So what's this mean
38:15
Speaker 2: for Thursday's UK vote?
38:22
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
38:22
Speaker 2: In a moment, We're going to look at Joe Biden's
38:24
Speaker 2: press conference today slamming the Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity.
38:29
Speaker 3: We'll look at the UK election, We'll look at.
38:31
Speaker 2: What's happening in France, the second rounds this weekend. International
38:35
Speaker 2: panel coming up. But first, energy experts in the nation's
38:39
Speaker 2: top oil and gas lobby according to Labor to include
38:42
Speaker 2: gas and their Capacity Investment scheme to back up renewables
38:46
Speaker 2: and bring down your power bills.
38:48
Speaker 3: The scheme aims to deliver an.
38:50
Speaker 2: Extra thirty two gigawatts of capacity by twenty thirty in
38:53
Speaker 2: an effort to reach Labour's target for eighty two percent renewables.
38:58
Speaker 2: The CEO of the Australian Energy Users has warned that
39:01
Speaker 2: a failure to include gas in the scheme will increase
39:04
Speaker 2: the risk of blackoutse and push up power prices. For
39:07
Speaker 2: more on this, I'm joining now by Shadow Minister for
39:09
Speaker 2: Climate Change and Energy Ted O'Brien, Ted, why do you
39:14
Speaker 2: think that gas has not been included in this scheme?
39:17
Speaker 3: Why are Labor reluctant to include gas?
39:22
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on, Peter. I think it comes
39:24
Speaker 7: down to Labor having an ideological hatred towards gas. They
39:30
Speaker 7: had the opportunity to include it in this scheme. Indeed,
39:34
Speaker 7: the Energy Security Board had recommended a capacity mechanism with gas,
39:39
Speaker 7: but ideology won the day and now Labour's being mugged
39:42
Speaker 7: by reality. But if they keep this up, I think
39:46
Speaker 7: they'll be mugged by the Australian public before long.
39:50
Speaker 2: If we get to eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty.
39:54
Speaker 2: This is the Bowen target. I was just talking to
39:56
Speaker 2: Professor Stephen Wilson. He's saying that's five to six times
40:00
Speaker 2: times in terms of increases to our power costs if
40:03
Speaker 2: we have that much renewables in the system and we
40:06
Speaker 2: don't have no strong baseload options.
40:09
Speaker 3: Like nuclear, like gas. How accurate do you think that is? Oh?
40:15
Speaker 7: Look, I think Stephen Wilson is right on the money
40:18
Speaker 7: on this, and he has been for a long time.
40:23
Speaker 7: If you look around the world, we've learned some big
40:25
Speaker 7: lessons as a coalition. We must have twenty four to
40:29
Speaker 7: seven base load power in the system, and if it's
40:33
Speaker 7: not going to be cold, well it has to be
40:34
Speaker 7: zero emissions nuclear energy.
40:37
Speaker 3: Right now, Labour's.
40:38
Speaker 7: Plan is to force out ninety percent of our base
40:42
Speaker 7: load power gone from the system in a ten year period,
40:45
Speaker 7: ninety percent. Meanwhile, it's suffocating gas and its renewables rollout
40:50
Speaker 7: has stalled, so that means prices up, lights go out,
40:54
Speaker 7: industry collapse, and jobs get shared. I mean, this is
40:59
Speaker 7: this is their plan.
41:00
Speaker 3: It's absolute madness.
41:03
Speaker 2: Analysts at UBS today, you know, backing in those comments
41:06
Speaker 2: that you're making there. They're saying, our power prices are
41:09
Speaker 2: going to skyrocket, as if they haven't skyrocketed anyway, but
41:12
Speaker 2: they're headed north again as we start to close these
41:17
Speaker 2: power stations. I know we're keeping open Ladell, but many
41:19
Speaker 2: others are going to go. Certainly before twenty thirty, prices
41:23
Speaker 2: will increase. You know, this week the government thinks it's
41:26
Speaker 2: brought off voters where it's three hundred dollars power bill handout,
41:31
Speaker 2: but that's been swallowed by all the increases to date.
41:34
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think do you think Australians can
41:37
Speaker 2: be won over here?
41:41
Speaker 7: I think Labour's plan is to treat Australians as idiots,
41:48
Speaker 7: but I think they underestimate the everyday Australian. We all
41:53
Speaker 7: open up our power bill and every single time it
41:56
Speaker 7: keeps going up and Peter, you refer to that UBS report.
41:59
Speaker 7: So they come out and it was released today that
42:03
Speaker 7: power prices will probably increase by up to another fifty
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Speaker 7: percent in Australia, up to another fifty percent by twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty nine. And yet Albanesi and co. Are saying to Australians,
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Speaker 7: don't you worry about that? We promised you a two
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Speaker 7: hundred and seventy five dollars reduction in power bills and
42:19
Speaker 7: that was to be forever. It's coming down right now.
42:22
Speaker 7: Australians are paying among the highest electricity prices in the
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Speaker 7: world and all independent reports so it's going in one direction.
42:30
Speaker 7: It's still going to go north.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Klenow was making a point at the top of
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Speaker 2: the show. I mean we talked about the news pole
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Speaker 2: from yesterday the essential poll today and he's saying one
42:41
Speaker 2: of the problems of coalitions god is it makes a
42:43
Speaker 2: big policy announcement, drops it moves on and then they're
42:47
Speaker 2: not in the game of that repetition of message to
42:50
Speaker 2: cut through. Now on the issue of nuclear I can
42:53
Speaker 2: guarantee you inside the party room, you've probably got some
42:56
Speaker 2: colleagues to say, g Ted talking about nuclear has has
42:59
Speaker 2: met dropped some numbers in the poll. Are you under
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Speaker 2: pressure not to talk about nuclear now that the policy
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Speaker 2: is out, or are you going to run this all
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Speaker 2: the way through to election day?
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Speaker 7: Bob Peter will run this all the way through to
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Speaker 7: election day because we know that this is in the
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Speaker 7: national interest. We need a balanced energy mix if we
43:20
Speaker 7: want to ensure that Australians get cheaper, cleaner and consistent
43:25
Speaker 7: twenty four to seven power. Then we need that balanced
43:28
Speaker 7: mix and that includes zero missions nuclear energy. And so
43:31
Speaker 7: we're not doing this because you know it's fun, it's
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Speaker 7: politically cunning. We are doing this because, hand on hard,
43:39
Speaker 7: this is what our nation needs. The lights will go out,
43:43
Speaker 7: prices will soar, Australians will be poorer and as a
43:47
Speaker 7: nation will be weaker unless we grab this opportunity and
43:52
Speaker 7: we embrace this next generation of technology is part of
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Speaker 7: a balanced mix. So we will fight this because it's
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Speaker 7: in the national interest.
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Speaker 3: Peter good on your ted.
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Speaker 2: Some of the names mentioned to me were the same
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Speaker 2: that used to say to us we couldn't win an
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Speaker 2: election opposing a carbon tax.
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Speaker 3: We won a landslide.
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Speaker 2: So all strength, you're you've pleased me and all must
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Speaker 2: say that, o'kay, catch up with you, suit all right.
44:16
Speaker 2: After the break, speculation grows about who could replace Biden
44:20
Speaker 2: as president. Plus the US Supreme Court, we'll get into
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Speaker 2: that ruling presidential immunity.
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Speaker 3: It's very interesting after the break, Well, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: We've got a lot of list along list tonight in
44:34
Speaker 2: international issues. The first of course, joined of course by
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Speaker 2: Kosher Gada and Michael Danby. But the first issue is
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Speaker 2: the US Supreme Court decision that's ruled that former presidents
44:44
Speaker 2: have immunity for official decisions that they made when they
44:46
Speaker 2: are in office. So the legal fights now going to
44:49
Speaker 2: be over what is official what's not, meaning it's likely
44:52
Speaker 2: to push Trump's legal matters out past election day. I'll
44:56
Speaker 2: bring in Kosher Garter on this point, because you've looked
44:58
Speaker 2: at it all very closely. I did think when I
45:01
Speaker 2: saw the break in news strap earlier today that President
45:04
Speaker 2: Biden was coming out to do a press conference, he
45:06
Speaker 2: might have been tapping the mat. But all it did
45:08
Speaker 2: was a scripted speech complaining about the HUM Supreme Court's decision.
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Speaker 3: It took no questions, shut down very quickly.
45:14
Speaker 2: But take us through what this means both in the
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court since closure, but how it's going to play
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Speaker 2: out in the campaign.
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Speaker 11: It's a huge ruling, a landmark ruling not only for
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Speaker 11: Trump in this case, but really the presidency. And if
45:26
Speaker 11: you read the opinion and the concurrence and Justice Thomas wrote,
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Speaker 11: he talked about that that this is really about upholding
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Speaker 11: a forty year president, and similar immunity is provided to
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Speaker 11: congressional members to judges, to everybody, and the whole point
45:39
Speaker 11: is about separation of powers and allowing our leaders to
45:42
Speaker 11: be free to make bold decisions, leake advice from their advisors,
45:45
Speaker 11: and not worry about criminal prosecution after the fact. So
45:48
Speaker 11: every president, not just Trump, should actually be happy today
45:50
Speaker 11: because otherwise there could be indicatements flying left and right
45:53
Speaker 11: against Obama and particularly.
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Speaker 3: This we become the way that the nor came out.
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Speaker 11: So I think it's a good day for the country
45:59
Speaker 11: as well as for this politically. As you said, what
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Speaker 11: that means is it's going to push it well past
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Speaker 11: the election here. It's going to be remanded back to
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Speaker 11: the law District Court and that they're going to have
46:07
Speaker 11: to basically judiceat with a factual inquiry. What's an official act,
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Speaker 11: what's not an official act? That's going to take forever.
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Speaker 11: All those details are going to be adjudicated. And if
46:16
Speaker 11: Trump wins, all.
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Speaker 2: Of the scies away anywhere Biden talk has an abta
46:20
Speaker 2: that he's going to go or that he should go.
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Speaker 2: It looks like he is digging in or Jill Biden's
46:25
Speaker 2: digging in talk of people that will replace him if
46:28
Speaker 2: he was to depart, and knowing the complication with the
46:31
Speaker 2: way the funding works in the US, so that all
46:34
Speaker 2: the money raised for the Biden Harris ticket has to
46:37
Speaker 2: stay with someone from that ticket, meaning she's a complication
46:41
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. Michael, you'd almost have to keep her in
46:44
Speaker 2: the mix to keep your money for the forward campaign.
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Speaker 3: Where do you think this is at?
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Speaker 12: Well, I agree with you. Biden's gone, like will replace him, Yes,
46:53
Speaker 12: they will, like LBJ. He'll serve out his term, but
46:57
Speaker 12: he won't contest. That's my view of what will happen.
47:01
Speaker 12: It's passing strange Peter that the convention is after the
47:05
Speaker 12: first debate, Lady Macbeth. Biden will suspect that the Obama
47:11
Speaker 12: forces set them up, knowing that he's of his dementia
47:15
Speaker 12: and hoping that it would blow him out of the
47:16
Speaker 12: water at the first debate. So the mainstream the polling's terrible.
47:23
Speaker 12: Trump's ahead in New Jersey and Virginia, which are two
47:27
Speaker 12: of the states beyond the swing states. So Obama wants
47:33
Speaker 12: apparently an open convention in Chicago. All the delegates will
47:37
Speaker 12: be released by Biden and can vote for Carmala, Gretchen Whitmer,
47:41
Speaker 12: or the governor of California. I think Whitmer is the
47:44
Speaker 12: best choice. A strong, articulate woman will give Trump a
47:50
Speaker 12: run for his money.
47:51
Speaker 2: And look, the only way you can pass over a
47:52
Speaker 2: female VP is put another female up just quickly. France,
47:55
Speaker 2: we've got the second round this weekend. Riots on the
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Speaker 2: streets of France tonight.
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Speaker 3: It's huge news. Of course, they've got the Olympics coming up.
48:05
Speaker 3: But La pens in the box seat she is.
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Speaker 11: There seems to be this tectonic plate shift happening with them,
48:10
Speaker 11: certainly with her party being ascended. They got nineteen percent
48:13
Speaker 11: just a couple of years ago, thirty three percent of
48:14
Speaker 11: the vote in the last day. But then on the
48:16
Speaker 11: other side you're seeing sort of the far left, these
48:19
Speaker 11: the Muslim faction of the group kind of called Lessing
48:23
Speaker 11: and coming together to try and unseat them. And I
48:25
Speaker 11: think that's what we're going to see Frances, kind of
48:27
Speaker 11: a microcosm where they've got a significant Jewish population and
48:30
Speaker 11: a Muslim population and all that is coming out in
48:31
Speaker 11: it's like.
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Speaker 12: The Green Islamist unity ticket area.
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Speaker 3: Yes it is.
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Speaker 2: God lay there, thank you both. Up next, of course,
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Speaker 2: Andrew bolt Seed tomorrow United six