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Mega Edition: Melanie Gibb And Her Testimony During The Lori Vallow Trial (9/14/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to take a look at what
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  Speaker 1: went on in the courtroom during day number four's proceedings.
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  Speaker 1: And to do that, we're going to once again be
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  Speaker 1: using an article from the eastidahonews.com. Headline, Daybell case resumes
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  Speaker 1: as Melanie Gibb gives explosive testimony on the stand. And
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  Speaker 1: we talked about Melanie Gibb yesterday a little bit. And
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  Speaker 1: about her role in that cult. So it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see what she has to say here
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  Speaker 1: on the stand. And the author of this article, once again,
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  Speaker 1: is Nate Eaton. And like the last few updates, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to break this down into two parts. The morning
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  Speaker 1: session and the afternoon session. So let's get started with
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  Speaker 1: the morning session and let's see what happened. 8.24 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Inside the courtroom for another day of Vallow Daybell trial.
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  Speaker 1: A woman with a hat pulled over her face was
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  Speaker 1: escorted into the courthouse by a Rexburg police officer.
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  Speaker 2: It appeared to.
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  Speaker 1: Be Melanie Gibb. 8.28 a.m. Lori is wearing a light
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  Speaker 1: gray jacket and black rimmed glasses. Her attorneys are here
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  Speaker 1: and all of the prosecutors are at their table. 8.35 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Boyce has entered the courtroom. He reminds everyone in
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  Speaker 1: attendance to follow the courtroom conduct order. Larry and Kay
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  Speaker 1: Woodcock along with several family members are here. Annie Cushing
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  Speaker 1: and her daughter are also here. Several members of the
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  Speaker 1: public are watching in the courtroom and in the overflow
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  Speaker 1: room in Ada County. 8.40 a.m. Jurors have been brought
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  Speaker 1: in the room. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay Blake will
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  Speaker 1: now question Melanie Gibb. Gibb is wearing a black top,
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  Speaker 1: white skirt, glasses, and is sworn in. This is the
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  Speaker 1: first time Lori and Melanie have seen each other since 2019.
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  Speaker 1: And with how close they were, you know that Lori
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  Speaker 1: wasn't happy to see Melanie over there taking the stand
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  Speaker 1: against her. And even in those phone conversations that were
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  Speaker 1: released previously, you heard Lori saying to Melanie that she
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  Speaker 1: had fallen in with people that, you know, hated Lori,
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  Speaker 1: that were against Lori. All of this delusional nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: 8.43 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says she met Lori at a church event in 2018.
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  Speaker 1: She says she met Chad a year or two before
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  Speaker 1: she met Lori. She says when she met Chad, it
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  Speaker 1: was a casual introduction to each other. They periodically saw
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  Speaker 1: each other but were not close friends. 8.44 a.m. Melanie
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  Speaker 1: says she and Lori kept in touch after they met.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie met Tylee within a week of meeting Lori. Melanie
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  Speaker 1: says Tylee seemed upset and frustrated with Lori Most of
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  Speaker 1: the time. There was tension in the relationship, Melanie says.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says she met JJ within a week or two
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  Speaker 1: of meeting Lori.
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  Speaker 2: 8.45 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori was affectionate with JJ and she would
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  Speaker 1: sing him songs at bedtime. But as time went on,
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  Speaker 1: Lori wasn't as focused on JJ and Lori was distracted
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I'm sure she was. You start thinking
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  Speaker 1: about all of the crazy nonsense that these people were into.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm pretty sure she was distracted with thinking
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  Speaker 1: she was a goddess and the rest of the nonsense. 8.47am
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says she saw Lori daily or several times a
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  Speaker 1: week during the beginning of their friendship. Things changed in
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  Speaker 1: January 2019 when Lori started moving. Melanie lived within 20-25
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  Speaker 1: minutes of each other. They would get together, speak on
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  Speaker 1: the phone, and text message.
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  Speaker 2: 8.48am Melanie.
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  Speaker 1: In January 2019, Lori decided to leave Arizona and stay
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  Speaker 1: with Alex. Then she went on to Hawaii, then to Texas,
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  Speaker 1: and then back to Arizona by July 2019 when Charles
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  Speaker 1: was killed. 8.49 a.m. Melanie says she and Lori went
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  Speaker 1: on a trip with five to six other ladies for
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  Speaker 1: a conference in Utah. Melanie observed a meeting between Chad
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  Speaker 1: and Lori. Chad and Lori had never met before. The
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  Speaker 1: conference was Friday, Saturday, and on Sunday, most people went home.
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  Speaker 1: Chad stayed Friday and Saturday. Lori and Melanie were in
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  Speaker 1: the area Friday through Sunday. So this is the genesis
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  Speaker 1: of that relationship, basically. Obviously, they were talking online and
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And then they finally get to
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  Speaker 1: meet in person and they hit it off. And from there,
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  Speaker 1: things begin to spiral out of control. 8.51 a.m. Melanie
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  Speaker 1: says Chad and Lori were very friendly to each other,
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  Speaker 1: talking a lot about the beliefs they had, and there
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  Speaker 1: was definitely an attraction at the beginning. Lori was very
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  Speaker 1: interested in Chad, like someone who would meet someone they're
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  Speaker 1: attracted to. She seemed flattered with him and was flirty-like. 8.52 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori had read a few of Chad's books
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  Speaker 1: before they met. So she was already going in with
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  Speaker 1: those preconceived notions of, hey, this is the author that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I read his books and I'm into all
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  Speaker 1: of the crazy shit that he's into. And now I
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  Speaker 1: get to meet him. 8.54 a.m. Melanie has asked if
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  Speaker 1: she ever spoke with Chad about the first time she
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  Speaker 1: met Lori. She says most likely, but doesn't remember. Melanie
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  Speaker 1: spoke with Lori after Lori meeting Chad. She shared with
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  Speaker 1: me that he told her that they had been married
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  Speaker 1: in another time period. She did believe that. She had
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  Speaker 1: already the belief system that this multiple lives, as they
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  Speaker 1: would call it, she already believed that before she physically
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  Speaker 1: met him. So she was into all of that stuff
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  Speaker 1: before she met him. And then obviously his podcast and
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  Speaker 1: his books, it confirmed her bias. So she was all in,
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  Speaker 1: 100% all in. 8.56 a.m. Melanie says Lori told her
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  Speaker 1: Lori had been married to the prophet Moroni from the
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  Speaker 1: Book of Mormon. I mean, I guess that's like akin
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  Speaker 1: to being married to one of Jesus's apostles or something
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  Speaker 1: in Catholicism. I'm not too hip on what's going on
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  Speaker 1: in the Mormon religion. And frankly, I didn't even know
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  Speaker 1: that there was a prophet named Moroni. 8.57 a.m. After
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  Speaker 1: the conference, Lori kept in touch with Chad on the phone,
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  Speaker 1: according to Melanie. Chad was married to Tammy at the time,
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  Speaker 1: and Lori was married to Charles. Both spouses were still alive. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: we know how that turned out. And we know that
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  Speaker 1: Charles was being called Ned Schneider. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: he's Ned Schneider out of nowhere, out of the blue.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, Ned Schneider, we can't get like some
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  Speaker 1: kind of like biblical name, like Malachi or some shit. 8.58 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says she learned of the term multiple probations. when
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  Speaker 1: she first started interacting with Lori. Lori and Chad introduced
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  Speaker 1: this teaching to Melanie, and Chad often spoke about it.
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  Speaker 1: Lori told Melanie that she and Chad often spoke about
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  Speaker 1: multiple probations. Melanie says the definition of multiple probations changed
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  Speaker 1: the longer that they knew each other, but the basic
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  Speaker 1: belief system was you could live multiple times on Earth,
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  Speaker 1: and it would be different for everyone. So reincarnation. like
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  Speaker 1: most other snake salesmen, like most other charlatans. This is
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  Speaker 1: nothing more than fan fiction, right? Stealing from somebody else's religion,
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  Speaker 1: molding it together, calling yourself a prophet, and then finding
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  Speaker 1: a few people that are going to believe your bullshit. Yeah, look,
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  Speaker 1: there's a sucker born every minute, right? 9 a.m. Two
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  Speaker 1: weekends after the meeting, Chad came to Arizona for another event.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie and Lori went to this conference. Lori held a
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  Speaker 1: meeting at her house before the conference. Melanie does not
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  Speaker 1: remember if Chad was there. 9 a.m. Melanie saw Lori
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  Speaker 1: and Chad interacting at the conference. Chad stayed at Lori's
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  Speaker 1: house over the weekend. Charles was out of town, according
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  Speaker 1: to Melanie. And remember, Lori had the audacity to accuse
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  Speaker 1: Charles of cheating. Meanwhile, she got some dude over at
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  Speaker 1: the house making a cuckold out of Charles while he's
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  Speaker 1: out of town working, trying to provide for his family.
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  Speaker 1: That Lori Vallow, she's a hell of a gal. Lori
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  Speaker 1: told Melanie that she had been married four to five
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  Speaker 1: times as other characters, Chad too. Lori told Melanie that
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  Speaker 1: the weekend Chad came to Arizona, they met in the
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  Speaker 1: LDS temple together and were sealed together by Moroni and
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. That relationship of multiple lives was reunited. This
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  Speaker 1: happened in a waiting room, not a sealing room in
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  Speaker 1: the temple. Oh, well, I guess if it happened in
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  Speaker 1: the sealing room, then that would have made it more official, huh?
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  Speaker 1: Breaking news. Jesus Christ and whoever the hell Maroney is
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  Speaker 1: didn't show up to seal anybody's marriage, okay? That never happened. 9.03 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Lori was open with Melanie about her feelings for Chad.
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  Speaker 1: Lori only told people in her small group about her
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  Speaker 1: and Chad. 9.04 a.m. Lori told Melanie about the 144,000
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  Speaker 1: people who will be here during the return of Jesus
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  Speaker 1: Christ to Earth. Lori then said Chad and Lori would
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  Speaker 1: be leading the group and do a lot of missionary
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  Speaker 1: work ahead of the second coming. Now, at that point,
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  Speaker 1: as Melanie here, don't you run for the hills and
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  Speaker 1: say to yourself, all right, look, this is some bad shit,
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  Speaker 1: crazy stuff. There's no way in hell I believe that
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are going to be the
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  Speaker 1: prophets that shepherd humanity into the next phase after Jesus
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  Speaker 1: Christ comes. People are really believing that? It is just
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  Speaker 1: way bizarre to me to think that anybody would buy
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  Speaker 1: that for one single second.
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  Speaker 3: 9.06 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie lists the names of those who were in the
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  Speaker 1: group and close with Lori, including Alex Cox and Melanie Palowski.
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  Speaker 1: Within weeks of Melanie meeting Lori... Lori began telling her
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  Speaker 1: how Chad and Lori were supposed to lead the 144,000.
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  Speaker 1: And you notice they always keep these groups small, right?
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  Speaker 1: Their core group? Because it's so batshit crazy, they can't
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  Speaker 1: get too many people to buy into this stuff the
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  Speaker 1: way they all do. So they have their select core
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  Speaker 1: group of people who come over and all of the
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  Speaker 1: yahoos sit around and talk about this dumb shit. 9.07 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie describes a light and dark scale that Lori told
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  Speaker 1: her about after she met Chad. People who were light
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  Speaker 1: had signed contracts with the Savior. Those who were dark
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  Speaker 1: signed contracts with Satan before coming to Earth. Now, again,
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  Speaker 1: if anyone was telling you this, would you just sit
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  Speaker 1: there and be like, oh, yeah, you know what? That
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  Speaker 1: all sounds great. I'll be here next week. Should I
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  Speaker 1: bring the Popeyes? Or are you going to say to yourself,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Probably should find some group to practice my
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  Speaker 1: religion with that isn't extreme. Because it seems to me
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  Speaker 1: like Melanie, she stuck around for quite some time. 9.10 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and Charles Vallow were not present for these
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  Speaker 1: meetings and were not told about these teachings. Melanie says
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  Speaker 1: Lori would not have considered Charles part of their inner circle. See,
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  Speaker 1: inner circle again. See what I'm talking about? That's how
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  Speaker 1: all of these manipulators work. There's always layers to this shit.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori would not have considered Charles part of
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  Speaker 1: their inner circle. One day in January 2019, Lori told
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  Speaker 1: Melanie that Charles Vallow was taken over by an evil spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Chad had told Lori this, and it was the first
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  Speaker 1: time Lori had heard this. Charles was now dark. Again,
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  Speaker 1: because Chad wanted Lori. Let's just call it what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Another shyster, another bullshit artist, in a long history of
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  Speaker 1: bullshit artists who used religion to get what they want.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Chad Daybell did right here. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted Charles Vallow out of the way. And what's the
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  Speaker 1: easiest way to do that? Oh, he's a dark. He's
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  Speaker 1: Ned Schneider. 9.12 a.m. Lori said she had a dream
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  Speaker 1: where Charles was in a car accident in Texas and
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  Speaker 1: would not be coming back home by January 1st. JJ
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  Speaker 1: was with Charles at the time and would have been
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  Speaker 1: traveling back with Charles. Charles was never in an accident.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie asked Lori what happened. You shared your thought he
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  Speaker 1: was going to die. And Lori responded, he didn't because
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  Speaker 1: Satan interfered with the plan. No, Lori Vallow, if there
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  Speaker 1: is a Satan, you are working for him and you're
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  Speaker 1: the one that was hatching plans on his behalf. And
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  Speaker 1: now you're going to be the one that has to
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  Speaker 1: deal with that for the rest of your life. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Chad Daybell is certainly not a
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  Speaker 1: man of honor, certainly not some kind of white knight.
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  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if he tries to put
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  Speaker 1: all the blame on Lori Vallow.
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  Speaker 2: 9.13 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Lori is looking at Melanie during the testimony and also
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  Speaker 1: taking notes. 9.14 a.m. Lori told Melanie about castings. This
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  Speaker 1: involved a prayer to get the evil spirit out of
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  Speaker 1: someone and encourage the spirit to come out by power
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  Speaker 1: of God. So an exorcism? Melanie participated in casting in
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  Speaker 1: January-February 2019. After Lori learned Charles was dark, Charles was
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  Speaker 1: the first person Lori ever called dark. And again, all
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  Speaker 1: of this started happening after she met Chad Daybell. He
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  Speaker 1: was the push that Lori Vallow needed to go right
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  Speaker 1: over the cliff.
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  Speaker 2: 9.15 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The first casting Melanie was involved in was with Lori
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  Speaker 1: and a group of women at Zulema's house. Alex Cox
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  Speaker 1: was not married to her at this time. This casting
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  Speaker 1: involved prayer and words convincing the spirit to leave the body.
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  Speaker 1: This would be the spirit that took over a particular
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  Speaker 1: person's body, so they were having like a group exorcism.
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  Speaker 1: 918 AM Melanie says the first time the group thought
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  Speaker 1: they had cast an evil spirit named Ned out of
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  Speaker 1: Charles' body, but Charles was still alive, so the teachings
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  Speaker 1: changed and now a spirit named Garrick or Garrett entered
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  Speaker 1: Charles' body. Lori casts this spirit out of Charles, but
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  Speaker 1: then the final spirit, he blows, enter Charles' body. I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean to laugh, but he blows? I mean, where
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  Speaker 1: do they come up with this shit? Chad Daybell sitting
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  Speaker 1: around and reading like Dungeons and Dragons forums, trying to
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  Speaker 1: come up with new names for his next LARPing session.
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  Speaker 2: 9.20 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says weeks after the original idea of a spirit
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  Speaker 1: taking over bodies, Lori started to use the term zombie. 9.21 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Laurie was present for all of the castings.
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  Speaker 1: Chad was present for one casting, according to Melanie. The
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  Speaker 1: one Chad attended was right after Charles' death. Melanie recalls
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  Speaker 1: possibly participating in a casting for Brandon B. Laurie told
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  Speaker 1: Melanie that Brandon was dark and he had an evil
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  Speaker 1: spirit in him. So it looks like this is their
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  Speaker 1: hit list, right? Oh, we're going to go do our
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  Speaker 1: spell casting. and then we'll send out beaver-faced Alex Cox
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  Speaker 1: to go and kill these people, and then we'll say
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  Speaker 1: it's God's will.
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  Speaker 2: 9.22 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon was part of Hitler's group and was considered a
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  Speaker 1: very high dark, Melanie says. She does not recall participating
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  Speaker 1: in castings for anyone else. 9.23 a.m. Laurie told Melanie
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  Speaker 1: that Charles Brandon, one of Laurie's brothers, not Alex, Laurie's dad,
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  Speaker 1: Tylee K., and JJ were all dark. Random people were
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  Speaker 1: also dark. 9.24 a.m. Melanie says if Tammy Daybell was
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  Speaker 1: considered dark, it was right before Tammy died. Lori told
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  Speaker 1: Melanie sometime between February and June of 2019 that Tylee
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  Speaker 1: was dark. In September 2019, Lori told Melanie JJ was possessed.
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  Speaker 1: Many jurors are taking notes during Melanie's testimony, so if
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  Speaker 1: she thought they were dark, and she thought they were possessed,
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  Speaker 1: you know she has it in her to be somebody
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  Speaker 1: who is very evil. And then we take a look
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  Speaker 1: back at Detective Hermosillo's testimony from yesterday, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: looking good for Doomsday Mom. 9.27 a.m. The night before
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  Speaker 1: Charles died, Lori told Melanie that Alex was spending the
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  Speaker 1: night at her house because Charles was going to kill her.
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  Speaker 1: After Charles died, Lori told Melanie that he had been
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  Speaker 1: argumentative with her. The spirit told Lori to pick up
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  Speaker 1: Charles' phone, and he was upset she took his phone.
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  Speaker 1: Lori said they argued, he threatened her, and Tylee came
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  Speaker 1: out with a baseball bat to protect herself. Alex went
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  Speaker 1: to get his gun to protect him and then shot Charles.
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  Speaker 1: This is all according to what Lori told Melanie. I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe any of that, not for a minute. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that Alex was there with the intent to kill
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow. Did they maybe start an argument? Perhaps. But
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  Speaker 1: the whole entire intent was to get Charles Vallow out
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  Speaker 1: of the way. 9.30 a.m. Melanie says after Charles died,
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  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad were happy. 9.32 a.m. Prior to Charles' death,
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Chad and Lori communicated multiple times a day.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori had two to three cell phones. One
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  Speaker 1: phone was just for Chad. She has burners and shit
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  Speaker 1: like she's out here on the grind. She thought she
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  Speaker 1: was that slick, huh? Oh, let me get a couple
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  Speaker 1: of burner phones. 9.33 a.m. Lori told Melanie that she
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  Speaker 1: and Chad would meet at hotels. Lori shared they were
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  Speaker 1: intimate while Charles and Tammy were still alive. Lori said
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  Speaker 1: this was according to God's will because they had been
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  Speaker 1: married in multiple lives and had a mission together. During
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  Speaker 1: this testimony, Lori is frantically taking notes in the courtroom. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many other women this Chad Daybell hustled
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  Speaker 1: with this same ass line. Imagine using this as your
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  Speaker 1: pickup line. Hey, look, we were married in a past life.
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you meet me at the hotel? And
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're married now. God's going to
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  Speaker 1: say that's OK, because we were married in a past life.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine the content of that conversation
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  Speaker 1: as he's trying to hustle you? 9.36 a.m. Melanie said
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  Speaker 1: right before J.J. was killed, Lori said he was difficult
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  Speaker 1: to handle. It was hard for her to take care
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  Speaker 1: of him and be with Chad. Lori indicated she was
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  Speaker 1: going to ask Kay if Kay could take care of J.J.
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  Speaker 1: going forward. Well, here's an idea. How about you just
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  Speaker 1: didn't kill Charles, you got divorced, let him take J.J.,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and you go on your merry way with Profit Fuckface?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Why do you have to kill everybody?
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: 9.37 a.m.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she last saw Tylee in July-August 2019 before
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Lori and Alex moved with the kids to Idaho. 9.38 a.m.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: After Lori moved to Idaho, Melanie recalls talking with her
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: on the phone and Melanie heard Tylee in the background. 9.39 a.m.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Lori asked Melanie to come visit her in Idaho in
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: September 2019. There was a seminar in Rexburg, so Melanie
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend, David Warwick, went up. They stayed at
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Lori's house. Melanie did not see Tylee and Lori. told
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Melanie that Tylee was at BYU, Idaho with roommates. 9.41 a.m.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Melanie asked Lori about Tylee's belongings, and Lori said they
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: had been put in storage. Lori didn't talk much about Tylee.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Melanie did see J.J., and Lori told Melanie that J.J.,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: had an evil spirit in him. Lori learned this the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: day before from Chad. Again with Chad. She learned it
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: from Chad. Imagine this guy talking you into killing your kids.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: What sort of piece of human excrement gets talked into that?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Lori told Melanie JJ's behavior was more difficult and he
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: would say things like, JJ would climb up on the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: fridge on top of the cabinets. and was acting aggressively.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Lori tried to explain how he was changing into a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: more negative type of demeanor. 9.43 a.m. Melanie says she
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: did not notice any changes in JJ, and he appeared
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to be a typical 7-year-old autistic kid. Melanie has experience
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: with autistic children, and she says his behavior was normal.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: She never observed him climbing on counters, but one day
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he was upset, and Chad took him upstairs.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: 9.45 a.m.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Chad took JJ upstairs, he came downstairs, and Melanie asked
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Chad why his neck was so red. Chad responded that
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: JJ had scratched his neck. Yeah, you were probably beating
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on him, you sick, disgusting animal. 9.47 a.m. Melanie says
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori were very affectionate that weekend. She went
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: with them to walk around the track at BYU-Idaho, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: they explored the campus. As they were leaving, Chad gave
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Lori a hug and a kiss. Chad asked David Warwick
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: not to share about his relationship with Lori with anyone.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So wait a minute, you were at the university here
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and you didn't think to check on Tylee? I thought
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: she was at this university. Nobody decides to go check
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: on her, huh?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: 9.48 a.m. Lori told Melanie that Maroney appeared to her
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in a temple on September 22nd. Melanie says that last
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: time she saw JJ was on September 22nd, as Alex
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: was taking JJ upstairs. Melanie and David left the next day,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and she does not recall seeing JJ before they left
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: on September 23rd.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: 9.50 a.m.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Melanie remembers asking Lori before Charles died why he would
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: want to kill her. Lori said it was because she
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: had a million-dollar life insurance policy. Lori then said Charles
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: had a life insurance policy, but if Charles died, All
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the money would go to Kay. So she says that
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: he wants to kill her for the money when it's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the other way around, just like when she accused him
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of cheating. 9.51 a.m. Lori asked why she didn't get
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a divorce from Charles. Lori said that wasn't the Lord's plan,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and if Chad got a divorce, he would be penalized
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: for that. Chad would lose his exaltion or standing with God. Yeah,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: but you know, if he killed somebody, that's cool. God's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: okay with that. The angel, the bony maroney angel, he's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: going to come down and give you a pat on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the back if you murder somebody, but don't get divorced. 9.52 a.m.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Melanie never saw JJ again after the night of September 22nd.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: She never returned to Idaho to see Lori again, but
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: spoke with her occasionally. Melanie next heard from Chad around Thanksgiving.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: He told her the Rexburg police would be calling and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: told Melanie not to answer the phone. Imagine somebody calls
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you and says that. Yeah, sure, that's exactly what I'm
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: going to do. Take part in whatever kind of nonsense
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: you're involved in, stupid. 9.53 a.m. Melanie says Chad had
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a nervous voice and said the police are looking for
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: JJ and Melanie said she thought JJ was with Kay
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and Chad told her he was not. Chad told Melanie
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that Lori would be calling her. Melanie thought JJ was
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: with Kay because Lori had told her She met with
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Kay at an airport and she asked Kay to take
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: care of JJ. 9.55 a.m. Lori then called Melanie. Lori
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: said the police came by and she told officers that
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: JJ was with Melanie watching Frozen. Lori asked Melanie to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: take photos of random kids at the movie theater and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: send them to the police. Police tried to get a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: hold of Melanie, but she did not take their calls.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what in the world to do. Oh,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you should have called the cops. That's what you should
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: have done. What are you waiting for? Those kids are
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: obviously in harm. They're obviously in danger. You gotta do
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: something about that. 9.57 a.m. Lori told Melanie the police
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: were dark. Kay, Lori's dad, and her brother, Adam Cox,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: were also dark. Lori said JJ's life was in danger
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and Kay was trying to kidnap him. Melanie wasn't sure
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: what to believe. Says she was in shock and perplexed. 9.58 a.m.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Melanie eventually spoke to police at the end of November,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: beginning of December, and said JJ had not been with her.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: 10 a.m. Blake about to admit a 20-minute phone call
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: into evidence where she confronted Chad and Lori, and this
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is the recording. 10.03 a.m. Blake is now playing the call.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Melanie recorded the conversation with Chad and Lori. Chad answers, hello,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: sweet Melanie. Trying to pour it on thick, right? 10.04 a.m.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Melanie asked Chad and Lori where they are. Chad giggles
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and says, we're just hanging out. They don't want to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: say where they are. Melanie asked Lori what happened with JJ,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: why he isn't at Kay's house. Lori doesn't answer the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: question but says people are after her. Chad says, if
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you knew where JJ was, that puts you in danger.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori won't say where JJ is because Lori
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: wants to keep him and everyone else protected. What an absolute...
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: An utter bunch of bullshit. 10.06 a.m. Melanie asks Lori
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: if JJ is safe. She responds, he is safe and happy.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Melanie asks how it could hurt her if she knew
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: where JJ is. I'm just not telling anybody so that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: nobody has to say where he is or get questioned
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: where he is so I can keep him safe as possible,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Melanie says. I hope he's okay. I hope you guys
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: are okay.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: 10.08 a.m.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she asked Alex Cox where JJ was. He
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: said he was somewhere he couldn't be found, and Melanie
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: didn't want to know where JJ is. 10.09 a.m. Lori
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: won't tell Melanie where they are, and Melanie says she
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is worried for them. Lori says Kay is dark and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: is working with the police. Lori says, I know exactly
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: where JJ is. He is safe and fine. 10.10 a.m.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: On the call, Lori mentioned profits from the scriptures. and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: how they had to hide in the cavity of a rock.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Melanie reads a scripture to Lori about not fearing men
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: more than God and being faithful. Melanie says if the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: door is open to Satan, he comes in and attacks.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: God doesn't work in darkness, Melanie says. Lori responds, I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: agree 100%, and that is what the Lord is doing
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: with me. Okay, sure, that's exactly what's going on. You're
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the vessel, and he's working through you.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: 10.12 a.m.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Lori says she is in hiding in the cavity of
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a rock and that K is dark because she changed
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the life insurance policy with Charles. Lori says she doesn't
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: know why Melanie is being controversial with her and says
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: she loves Melanie. Melanie says if you loved me, you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: would not have told the police I had JJ with me. 10.14 a.m.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Lori tells Melanie she did what the Lord told her
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to do. Melanie says Lori... Has been deceived. Tammy died.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Charles died. Melanie says. She has never had peace about
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: all of this. And she has felt weird in her stomach.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Lori responds. You know me Mel. This sounds like you
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: have been influenced. By somebody dark. And obey dark things. 10.15 a.m.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Lori says Christ is coming soon. And Melanie will know
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that Lori. Has not been deceived. Chad now comes on
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to the call. And says his sister-in-law. Heather Daybell. Has
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: been deceived. and coming up with theories. Chad says his
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: own children said Tammy had been getting weaker and sick.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Her heart was failing, and she was physically falling apart. Yeah, right, bro.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Were you poisoning her? Did anyone ever check for that?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Some arsenic or something? Chad says he's known for years
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that Tammy would die young, and his life will have
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: two segments. Chad says you have to have faith in
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the master plan. Melanie says, You can understand my concern,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: can't you? Chad says from an outsider's perspective, he can,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but her boyfriend seems to be putting doubts in her mind.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she was not listening to her gut feeling
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and feels uncomfortable with many things. 10.18 a.m. Melanie says
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: she was reading the story of Korahor and his carnal
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and natural desires. Lori says, you think I'm Korahor? Are
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you kidding me right now? Melanie says both Chad and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Lori had similarities to Korahor. Lori says she lives by
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the scriptures. And Melanie says she feels Lori has arrested
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the scriptures. Lori is upset that Melanie would say this. Oh,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that's the worst thing you can do, huh? To a zealot?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You're not crazy enough? You're not rigid enough? You're not
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: religious enough? Forget it. You want to get a zealot
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: fired up? That's a quick way to do it. 10.23 a.m.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori's behavior is not one of someone who
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: believes in Christ. Lori says Melanie sounds pissed off. Melanie responds,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I am troubled. These things, like you being with Chad
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: before he's even divorced. Lori says, I have never, I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: was never with him and he was never divorced. Melanie says, honey,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I've seen you guys together. 1025 a.m. Lori says Jesus
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Christ is protecting her and will protect her against the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: accusations Melanie has made against her. Lori then ends the call.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's everybody else's fault, right? Pretty typical. At 10.25, the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: judge calls a morning recess back in 20 minutes. 10.46 a.m.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: John Pryor was not in the courtroom this morning for
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the first part of Melanie Gibbs' testimony, but he has
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: just walked in. And remember, John Pryor is Chad Daybell's lawyer. 10.47 a.m.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: During the break, Lori walked out the side door with
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: her leg shackles and then sat in a chair with wheels.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Deputies then wheeled her away. This was likely so deputies...
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: didn't have to remove the shackles to take her to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the restroom. She is now back in the courtroom chatting
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: with her attorneys. Well, that's what happens. If you're accused
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of murder, you wear shackles.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: 10.53 a.m.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb is back on the stand testifying against the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: woman who used to be her best friend. 10.54 a.m.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Melanie said she recorded the call with Chad and Lori
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: because she wanted to know where JJ was and hoped
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: she'd learn where Chad and Lori were. 10.56 a.m. Melanie
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: said the weekend she stayed at Lori's house, Melanie stayed
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: in Tylee's room, but she went back and forth into
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: David's room, who was sleeping in JJ's room. David woke
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: up very troubled from a dream. Melanie went to Lori's
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: room and texted her and Chad to ask if David
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: could get a blessing. Nobody responded to Melanie's text, and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Lori's door was locked. So hang on a minute here.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: A grown-ass man had a bad dream, and he had
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to have another grown-ass man come in and give him
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: a blessing, or that's what he wanted? Here's an idea, buddy.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Wake up, go have yourself a whiz, splash a little
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: water on your face, and get back to bed. 10.57 a.m.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: The next morning, Melanie never saw JJ, and Lori told
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Melanie where JJ was from that point forward. 10.58 a.m.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she believes the origins of multiple probations, Lives, etc.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: came from Chad and are not taught in the traditional
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: LDS faith. 11 a.m. Melanie says when Lori was having
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: her relationship with Chad, Lori's behaviors did not represent someone
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: who would know Christ at that level. Lori had told
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Melanie that she had seen Jesus in the temple and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that he appeared to her. Okay, all right. This is
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: getting a bit wacky wonky for your boy.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: 11 a.m.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Blake asks about revelations and if people in the LDS
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: church get revelations. Melanie says yes. 11.01 a.m. Melanie learned
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: about Tammy's death the day after her death was reported.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: A friend sent a screenshot from Chad's Facebook account announcing
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the death. Melanie then called Lori. It was mid-morning and
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Melanie told Lori about Tammy's death. She knew something was
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: going on. Two of the girls from their group had
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: called Lori and inquired about it. 11.04 a.m. Melanie asked
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Lori what happened to Tammy. Lori responded she had a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: dark entity in her and they had to do what
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: they could to get the spirit out. They referred to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad. Lori said Tammy was starting to get
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: suspicious that Chad was having an affair. Yeah, I'm pretty
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: sure that dumb dumb Chad Daybell is not Mr. Suave
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: over here and doesn't know how to, you know, carry
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: on having a goomad. So yeah, I'm sure Tammy was
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: catching on. 11.05 a.m. Melanie says Tammy had been suspicious
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: about the affair for less than two weeks. Tammy had
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: also turned dark within two weeks before her death. 11.07 a.m.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: After Tammy passed on, Melanie said Lori was very happy
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: to get married to Chad. Lori never expressed any sadness
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: or sorrow. Melanie said Lori's demeanor was similar to after
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Charles died. 11.09 a.m. Melanie says Lori told her about vibrations.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that were equal to your level of spirituality. If you
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: were at 1,000, you were at the terrestrial level. The
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: more your vibrations increased, the closer your body was to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: being translated. I have my middle finger up in the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: air right now. I think that all of these cult
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: members should translate that. 11.10 a.m. Lori said her vibration
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: level was such that she didn't need to eat and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: her menstrual cycle could change. Lori did not claim she
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: had visions, according to Melanie, but Lori said she had
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: a dream here or there. 11.11 a.m. Melanie said these
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: teachings were shared with Alex Cox, and he believed people
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori were hoping would pass away, Charles, Tylee, JJ, Tammy,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: were zombies.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: 11.12 a.m.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Melanie said she didn't 100% believe the zombie teachings and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: told Alex that. Alex responded that he completely believed it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: When Melanie asked Alex what happened to JJ, Alex said,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you don't want to know. 11.14 a.m. Blake has no
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: further questions. John Thomas will conduct cross-examination for the defense. 11.15 a.m.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked Melanie when she last met with prosecutors. She says,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, a few years ago. Melanie says she
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: did not meet face-to-face with prosecutors for the trial, but
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: they met on Zoom. 11.15 a.m. Melanie says she went
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: over her testimony with prosecutors at the beginning of this
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: month or end of last month. Thomas asks if Melanie
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: was as forgetful with prosecutors when they met earlier as
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: she was today. Melanie says yes.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: 11.17 a.m.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks about a seven-page document she created with her testimony.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: She said she completed it in 2020. Thomas asks the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: court to strike the witness. Blake interjects and asks for
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a sidebar conversation. White noise is played in the courtroom
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: as attorneys meet with the judges. 1121 a.m. Boyce back
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: on the bench and says an objection will be taken
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: up outside the presence of the jury.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: 1121 a.m.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Thomas wants Melanie Gibb's testimony struck from the record because
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he says the prosecutor did not furnish statements from Gibb
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to the defense. 11.23 a.m. Blake says she interprets the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: law differently than Thomas and says all statements have been
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: turned over. The state and the defense are allowed to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: meet with witnesses and do witness prep. She says if
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: something is new, it should be turned over, but there
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: was nothing new in their most recent meeting with Gibb. 11.25 a.m.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Boyce says, you're asking me to tell the jury to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: disregard everything they've heard today? Thomas says, he made this
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: objection two days ago and the court struck me down,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: so he thought it would be appropriate to do it
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: when it was his turn to speak. 11.27 a.m. Boyce says,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: after reviewing case law, the objection is unfounded and the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: motion to strike testimony is denied.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: 11.29 a.m.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: The jury is being brought back into the courtroom. You know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I always talk about technicalities. You just saw it in
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: motion right there. This dude's like, look, this testimony is damning.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: This pins everything together and we got to get it
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: out of here. So how can we do that? All right,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: let's try and find the technicality. 1130 a.m. Thomas asking
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: for clarification on a few points. Melanie explains she met
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Lori at an LDS church building. During an evening class,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: they were not in the same group. Lori showed up
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: with her niece, Melanie P. 11.32 a.m. Phones must be
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: silenced or turned off in the courtroom. So far this morning,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: two phones have gone off. This violates the court order,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and the bailiff has seized both of the phones.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: 11.34 a.m.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Melanie says, She and Lori would often meet for lunch
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: or go to the temple. Thomas asked Melanie how familiar
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: she is with autism and people who are autistic. She
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: says she was quite familiar but wasn't aware if he
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: had a strict routine. She knows JJ went to a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: private school that had a section for autistic children, 11.36 a.m.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Melanie has asked if she ever went with Lori to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: take JJ to school. She says it's possible but doesn't recall.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Thomas says JJ had a routine where they would go
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to Burger King before school with his mom and order
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: chicken fries. 11.38 a.m. Melanie said Lori believed Melanie had
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: been on Earth four to five times, and at times,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Melanie bought into the idea. She says she wasn't aware,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: but Lori was very convincing and tried to encourage her
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to believe it.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: 11.41 a.m.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked for clarification on how many people stayed at
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Lori's house the weekend Chad stayed in Arizona for the conference.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Melanie said it was a few. Thomas asked if it
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: was a hookup for Chad and Lori. Melanie believed so. 11.42 a.m.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked, asked Melanie if she thought it was odd
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that Jesus Christ and Moroni had sealed Chad and Lori
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: in the temple. She says it was, but never asked
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Lori to show her the place in the temple where
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Lori married Chad. Would that matter? What if it was
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: in the broom closet? What the hell does it matter, okay?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: These people weren't married by Jesus Christ, Moroni, or your
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: cousin Steve. 1144 AM. Melanie says Lori and Chad tried
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to convince her she was part of the 144,000, but
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: she never felt that was her calling. Thomas says casting
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: sounds like witchcraft, and Melanie says it didn't feel like that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: 1145 AM. Melanie says that casting was more like casting
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: spirits out, similar to what Jesus did. Melanie says it
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: felt very unusual and very innocent to her, because it
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: was just like prayer. Yeah, okay, sure. It wasn't weird
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: or anything. This is just normal behavior. 1147 a.m. Thomas
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: asked for clarification on the light and dark scale. Melanie
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: says she believed it was somewhat, but not completely. 1149 a.m.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Melanie says the casting was done in homes, not in
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the temple. It was just people standing up in a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: circle together And then Lori would express words. Her friends
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: would say something similar to energy work. Thomas asks about
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Melanie's experience with energy work. 11.51 a.m. Thomas trying to
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: get Melanie to clarify exactly what casting is and how
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: similar it is to prayer. Doesn't sound similar to me
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: at all. Sounds like a gigantic circle jerk. 11.53 a.m. Thomas,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: let's talk about zombies.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: 11.53 a.m.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Thomas, when Lori talked about zombies, did you immediately think
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: they were going to die? Melanie, no. It was a
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: bizarre teaching, and Lori thought it was bizarre too, in
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the context of how it was explained to her by Chad.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: But she bought in, right? Did any of you go
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: run to the church and tell them that you had
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: some wild-ass sex popping off? Of course not. You were
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: all part of it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: 11.54 a.m.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Chad told Lori.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Then told Melanie that Tylee became a zombie when she
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: was 12 to 13 years old, but they only knew
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: this when she was 16. 1155 AM. The jurors are
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: attentively paying attention during this talk of zombies, dark and light, etc.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Lori also paying attention as she watches Melanie on the stand.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I have not seen Melanie look at Lori.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: 1156 AM.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Melanie says, She never prayed for JJ or Ty Lee. 11.57 a.m.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Voice calls for a lunch break. So that's where we're
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: going to end this episode. And the episode coming up
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: after this one will finish off with the afternoon testimony.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this one, though. And
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: all of the information that goes with the episode can
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're going
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off in part one
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: with the testimony in the Lori Vallow trial. This article
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: was published by EastIdahoNews.com, and the author of this article
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: is Nate Eaton. Headline, Daybell case resumes as Melanie Gibb
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: gives explosive testimony on the stand. And there's no doubt
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: that Melanie Gibbs' testimony yesterday was pretty explosive. And that
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it was damaging to Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. Sort
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of in the same way that we saw Alec Murdaugh
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: get taken down by the Snapchat video that was taken
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: by Paul. Because there's no way for Chad Daybell or
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow to try and deny that it was them
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: on that phone call the same way Alec Murdaugh couldn't
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: deny that it was his voice in that video. So
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I think that later on down the road, when the
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: jury gets their hands on all of this and they're
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: rendering a decision, I think that this is going to
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: loom large in their minds. All right, so on to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the proceedings.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: 12.50 p.m.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Court is back in session. Boyce is on the bench
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: and jurors will be brought in.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: 12.57 p.m.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Melanie says when Chad and Lori told her JJ was possessed,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: she took it to mean he was possessed by an
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: evil spirit. 12.57 p.m. Thomas asked Melanie about her relationship
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: with Tylee. Melanie says Tylee didn't like her and Melanie
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: tried to be kind to Tylee. I'm always kind to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: everyone and Tylee didn't like her from the beginning.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: 1 p.m.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks if Kay was going to receive the life
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: insurance money from Charles' death. There wouldn't be any financial
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: incentive for Lori, correct? Melanie says she doesn't know. 101 PM.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks Melanie where she heard Chad would lose his
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: exaltation if he got a divorce from Tammy. Melanie says
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: that's what Lori told him. And you see the circular
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: nature of the bullshit that they're pitching here? It always
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: revolves back to Chad Daybell and what he has to say.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: 102 PM. Melanie says police in Idaho called her twice
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: when they were trying to find JJ. Melanie says she
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: told Gilbert police, I had him, but I don't have
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: him anymore. She told Gilbert police that Lori came to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: pick him up. Melanie says that was not the truth.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: So she lied, said the baby was with her, and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: then recanted on that and told the truth. So what
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that does is it impugns her credibility a bit with
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the jury. There's no doubt about it. But at the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's not just her word. It's
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the content of that phone call that's going to sink
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow. 1.04 p.m. Thomas asked Melanie if she and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: David Warwick ever got married. She says they are married. 1.04 p.m.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Melanie says after she recorded the call with Lori and Chad,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: she contacted... Detective Pilar with Gilbert Police and said she
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: would send him the call. 1.06 p.m. Thomas asks about
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: dark portals. Melanie says Chad explained to Lori how to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: make a portal. Lori was in her closet and Chad
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: was on his bed or in his room somewhere. They
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: could communicate through their portal. You couldn't physically see them,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but it was made up in the spiritual realm. Thomas says,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: did you have a portal? Melanie says, oh no, a portal, huh? Again,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: if you need any more of an example of the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: absolute stupidity of what's going on here, a portal, it's
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the year 2023, bro. Get yourself some FaceTime. That's a portal,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: not your closet, not your bed, and not any of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: this other stupidity that you were engaging in. 108 p.m.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Thomas asked Melanie who Korahor is. She says he's an
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: antichrist in the Book of Mormon who was struck dumb
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: by a prophet. Melanie says Lori had become an antichrist.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: An antichrist? I thought there was only one antichrist. There's several?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I guess I missed that part of the memo. 1.10 p.m.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks who Alma and Joseph Smith are. Melanie says
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Alma is a prophet in the Book of Mormon and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Joseph Smith translated the book. 1.10 p.m. Thomas asks Melanie
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: if she has any reason to believe Lori was not
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: in Hawaii when Tammy died. Melanie says she had no
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: reason to believe otherwise. Melanie says the idea of having
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: a vibration level high enough to be translated was a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: new idea to her, but vibrations are often used in
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: New Age energy work type concepts. Melanie says Alex totally
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: bought into the zombie concept. She said to Alex, do
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I want to know what happened to JJ? He said,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you don't. You don't want to know. Melanie said Alex
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: then told her, that police had took all of his
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: guns and they are very evil people. He said police
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: also visited Melanie P's house and took all of her money. 1.14 p.m.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Alex told Melanie that Chad gave him a patriarchal blessing
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that was very touching. Alex was very emotional about it
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and felt honored to have the blessing. 1.15 p.m. Alex
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: never told Melanie where the kids were, so Melanie later
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: asked Zulema if she knew where the kids were. Zulema
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: said Alex told her the kids couldn't be found. John
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Thomas has no further questions for Melanie. So basically what
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Thomas is doing here is trying to pin it on
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox and everybody else but Lori Vallow. And that's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: his job, right? As her lawyer, his job is to
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: create reasonable doubt for the jury. And if he can
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: do that, then he's done his job. But unfortunately for Lori,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: there are way too many ties that bind her here
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And it's rather obvious that she was working in cahoots
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: with Alex Cox and Chad Daybell to make all of
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: this happen. 1.16 p.m. Lindsay Blake now follows up with
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: some questions. She asked if there was anything about Tylee's
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: behavior that was out of the ordinary for a teenager.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: If you have teenagers who are ornery and disrespectful, she
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: would fit in that category. Melanie says Lori was pretty
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: calm with Tylee and tried to be friends with her
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: most of the time.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: 1.17 p.m.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she flew to visit Lori in Hawaii in
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: February of 2019. Lori was in daily contact with Chad
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and she would often sit on the balcony and chat
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: with Chad for a while. Why not just go use
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: your portal? Shouldn't you go make one of your little
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: dance moves, your little dance routines and go to your portal?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: They would go to the beach. and Lori would talk
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: with Chad on the phone. Tammy and Charles were both
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: alive at this time. Well, we all know what the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: plan was, and we all know that they were together
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: before their significant others died. 1.20 p.m. Lori told Melanie
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that she had been on the earth before. Blake asked
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: if marriages are common in the temple. For those who
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: are LDS, Melanie says hi. Do you want to believe Lori?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Blake asked Melanie. Melanie responds. Sometimes she's very convincing. 1.22 p.m.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Melanie says four days after Charles died, Lori contacted her.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: 1.23 p.m.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Melanie was concerned Chad and Lori would try to accuse
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: her of something. That's one of the reasons she recorded
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the phone call. She says at the time she made
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the call, she no longer believed in the things Lori
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: had taught her and that she was teaching false things
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: for her own personal gain. So it took you that long, huh?
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: You didn't know the first time you sat down and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you heard about Maroney and the rest of the other
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: nonsense that this crazy lady was yapping about? Stop it already.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: 1.25 p.m.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if Melanie observed a pattern once someone was
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: deemed a zombie. Melanie says yes. If people started questioning
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Lori or thought something was suspicious, that person became dark
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: or a zombie. So that was their excuse. If they
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of somebody, they were either dark
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: or a zombie. And then that gave them the justification
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: to have their hitman, Alex Cox, do work. 1.27 p.m.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori referred to Tylee, JJ, and Charles as
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a zombie. Lori said Tammy was possessed.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: 1.27 p.m.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Alex was designated as the protector for Lori. 1.29 p.m.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Melanie says she recalls prosecutors telling her that all they
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: asked was for her to tell the truth. Blake says,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: is that what you have done today? Melanie responds, yes.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Blake has no further questions and Melanie Gibb is off
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the stand. So there has been some fiery testimony so far.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: We had the moving testimony from Detective Hermosillo and then
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: you have that buttressed up to this, and it's not
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: looking good for Lori Vallow. Her former best friend coming out,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: talking about this kind of stuff. Then you have what
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: we heard from Detective Armacillo about how those children were found,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and I'd say that things are off to a pretty
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: bad start for Lori Vallow. 1.31 p.m. The next witness
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: is Chandler Police Detective Nathan Duncan. 1.32 p.m. Duncan is
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: sworn in and takes the stand.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: 1.33 p.m.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake is questioning Duncan. He has been with the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Chandler Police Department since June of 2000. He has been
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: working in the Robbery Homicide Unit for nine years. 1.34 p.m.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Duncan was working on July 11, 2019. He responded to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: a reporting of a shooting on Four Peaks Place in Chandler.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox called the police around 9.30 a.m. and said
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: he shot his brother-in-law. And if you haven't watched the
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Netflix documentary, Sins of Our Mother, it goes into this
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: a little deeper and shows you some of the body
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: camera footage in the aftermath of Alex Cox killing Charles Vallow.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: So it certainly adds a little bit of context as
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: well when you can see how people are reacting directly
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of this.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: 1.37 p.m.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Blake asked to admit a computer aided dispatch notes into evidence.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Looking at the notes, Duncan says the call came in
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: at 8.36 a.m. and officers were dispatched. At 8.37 a.m. 1.38 p.m.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Defense attorney asks for a sidebar with the judge. Many
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: jurors and people in the gallery stand to stretch their legs. 1.41 p.m.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Boyce says a technical legal issue has come up. He
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: needs to go to his chambers for about five minutes,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: so we're in a brief recess. 1.43 p.m. Lori is
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: smiling and laughing with her attorneys during the break. 1.49 p.m.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Boyce is back on the bench. Prosecution admits evidence from
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Lori's iCloud account.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: 1.52 p.m.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Back to the police response to Charles' shooting. Duncan says
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: everyone was assigned a role at the homicide scene, like
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: other homicides they respond to. The original lead investigator was
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Detective Nathan Moffitt. He was then promoted in June 2020,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and Detective Duncan became the lead investigator.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: 1.54 p.m.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Duncan said a crime scene technician took photos of the scene.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Once that is done, the crime scene detective goes through
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: to see what is evidentiary value. Photos are taken and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: evidence is seized. Duncan says the body is considered evidence
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and the Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office was called to
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: assist and take control of the body. And a lot
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: of times the body holds a whole bunch of clues
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: about who might have done the killing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: 1.55 p.m.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: The victim was identified as Charles Vallow. Duncan noticed there
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: were no furniture in the living room and mirrors on
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the wall, which was odd. Charles was laying on his
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: back on the floor on the west of the living room.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Charles' shirt had been cut away from his body. Medical
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: equipment was on his chest that was used to confirm
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: his death, Duncan says. 1.57 p.m. Charles had one visible
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: gunshot wound on the left side of his abdomen. There
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: was not much blood present. Duncan says he never responded
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: to another shooting death with so little blood. There was
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: not any blood spatter, and that's real odd. Usually when
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: there's a shooting, there's blood spatter all over the place.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: 1.58 p.m.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Alex indicated he shot Charles twice in the chest while
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: he was standing. Duncan says there was only one bullet
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: hole initially, but, next to Charles, there were two. 45
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: caliber shell casings. There was also a bullet next to
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: his left shoulder lying on the ground, which was odd.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: 2 p.m.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Duncan says Alex indicated he had given CPR. Duncan says
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: normally when someone is given CPR after being shot, there
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: is more blood because of compressions on the chest. But
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Duncan says there was very little blood. Well, in the
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: phone call with 911, you hear Alex Cox say that
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to do CPR. And then the
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: technician on the phone, the 911 operator, goes to start
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: walking him through the steps. But he didn't call for
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: like 45 minutes. So giving someone CPR, that's not going
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: to do much after they've been shot in the chest
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: and laying there for 45 minutes. 2.03 p.m. Charles had
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: abrasions to his knees, Duncan said. There was blood on
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: a faucet inside the house. Duncan saw Charles' body being
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: removed from the house by the medical examiner. 2.05 p.m.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Duncan says in the living room, there was a tall baseboard,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: and on the east side of the room, there was
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: a projectile that was stuck in the baseboard. The projectile
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and the baseboard were kept as evidence. Alex was then
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: brought back into the home and did a walkthrough to
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: explain to police what had occurred. 2.06 p.m. Duncan said Charles...
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: would have been lying on the ground when the second
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: shot was fired by Alex based on the entry and
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: exit wounds on his body. Duncan says shooting was considered
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a homicide. If a shooting is done in self-defense, police
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: can still deem the death a homicide. 2.10 p.m. Duncan
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: recalls looking at data on Charles Vallow's phone, his iCloud
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: and Gmail accounts, phone records, and other electronic info. Duncan
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  Speaker 1: also looked at Lori's iCloud account. 2.10 p.m. Duncan says
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  Speaker 1: police learned Charles' phone was the catalyst for an argument
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  Speaker 1: between Lori and Chad. Lori took Charles' phone with her
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  Speaker 1: in his rental car. That phone was later returned to
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the Chandler Police Department where an extraction was done. And remember,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Lori was accusing Charles Vallow of cheating on her when
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: she was cheating on him. And that was her reason
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: for wanting his phone, she would say. 2.11 p.m. Duncan
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  Speaker 1: says in the weeks and months following Charles' death, Police
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: learned of information that Charles had become a dark spirit,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: and there were accusations of infidelity. Duncan looked on Charles'
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: phone for any detail about these things. 2.13 p.m. Prosecution
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  Speaker 1: asked to admit evidence of a PowerPoint presentation showing information
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: retrieved from Charles' phone.
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  Speaker 2: 2.15 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas objects to having the evidence admitted. The PowerPoint was
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: just put together this week, and Thomas isn't sure what's
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: in it. Boyce is concerned the defense hasn't had enough
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: time to review it. Blake says the messages in the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: PowerPoint have been available to the defense. We are taking
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: an afternoon break so Boyce can confer with attorneys. 2.41 p.m.,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: still on a break. Lori's sitting by herself at the
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: defense table, shackled.
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  Speaker 2: To the floor.
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  Speaker 1: 2.50 p.m., we are back in the courtroom. Blake says
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: the prosecution will move on to other issues and will
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: give the defense tonight to look over the PowerPoint. The
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: presentation will be dealt with tomorrow morning in court, and
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that's the fairest way to go about it. I mean, look,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the defense didn't have a chance to take a look
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  Speaker 1: at it, so give them a night to process the
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: information and keep it moving. 2.51 p.m. Lori just turned
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  Speaker 1: around and smiled in our direction before turning back to
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: look at the prosecutors. 2.54 p.m. Prosecutors and defense arguing
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: whether evidence from Arizona can be admitted into evidence. Jurors
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: have not been brought back into the courtrooms.
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  Speaker 2: P.m.
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  Speaker 1: Jurors are now back in the courtroom. Blake says the
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: PowerPoint will be revisited tomorrow, and she proceeds to question
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  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Duncan. She asks about a call that was placed
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to a mortuary. The FBI asked Duncan to contact Valley
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: of the Sun Mortuary in Chandler.
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  Speaker 2: 2.58 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan says a phone call was placed from Chad Daybell
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: to the mortuary. This is the call he is referring to. 2.59 p.m.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Duncan explains that police in multiple jurisdictions were looking for
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: any information in January 2020 about J.J. and Tylee, Tammy
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Daybell's death, Charles Vallow's death, and the shooting at Brandon Boudreau. 3.01 p.m.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Blake asked to admit a call into evidence. It is
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: now being played for the jury. 3.01 p.m. We just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: had a death in the family, and we really don't
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: want anything but a cremation, and then to send the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: cremains to a family in Louisiana. Just a simple, nothing
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: other than cremation and sending for a service in Louisiana.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any way to know a ballpark price? Chad
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  Speaker 1: said on the call. Chad says his name is Chad Daybell,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: but then spells it Dayble. He has asked how he's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: related to the person who passed. Chad says, I'm his nephew.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: The operator asks what his uncle's name is for reference.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Chaz says, John Myron Dable. John Myron Dable, huh? Okay. 3.03 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: The operator asks if the person who died is at
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: a nursing home, hospital, or residence. Chad says he passed
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: away at a hospital but doesn't know the details. Chad
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: says he thinks they're sending him to a medical examiner
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: and then says, I should have more information before I called.
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  Speaker 2: 3.05 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: The funeral director now talking with Chad. He says his
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: uncle doesn't have many relatives. Chad says he's his nephew
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: and he lives in Iowa. What the family basically wants
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: is to have him cremated in Chandler and have his
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: cremains shipped to New Orleans and we will deal with
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: the service later on. 3.07 p.m. The funeral director explains
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  Speaker 1: all the fees for the transfer of the cremains. Total
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: price is around $ 2, 000. Chad says that helps me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to call one or two others if we
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  Speaker 1: come in that direction. Thank you so much. 3.09 PM.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan says the call to the funeral home was placed
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the evening following Charles' death. The phone number on the
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  Speaker 1: call had been confirmed to be Chad's phone. Charles was
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: originally from Louisiana. 3.09 PM. Lori's iCloud account was Lori4Style.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Duncan found a blessing for Alex Cox on the iCloud account.
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  Speaker 1: There was an audio recording and a Word document. Chad
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: and Lori were on the recording. The blessing is called
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: a patriarchal blessing. Duncan says those types of blessings are
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: attached to the Mormon religion, the Church of Jesus Christ
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: of Latter-day Saints. It's a blessing given to any worthy
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: member of the Church by a stake patriarch given for
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: guidance through your life. Chad gave Alex Cox the blessing,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: but Chad was not the stake patriarch. No, more like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the stake moron.
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  Speaker 2: 3.12 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asked to admit the recording of the blessing. It's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: 15 minutes long. We are now hearing the blessing. Chad
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: says the blessing was given in the church of the firstborn. 3.13 p.m.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Chad's voice is monotone. He tells Alex he is to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: be a missionary, and Chad says he is going to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: open the portals of time. Chad says in Alex's previous creations,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: he was a valiant warrior, fighting for truth and righteousness,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: always seeking to do what is right.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: 3.15 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad said Jesus Christ chose Alex and was right by
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: his sister always. Alex had a humble heart and then
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: he exalted in the fourth creation. Chad says he could
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: have gone on to exaltation with Holly but accepted the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Savior's invitation one more time to come to this mortal
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: realm to condescend.
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  Speaker 2: As a god.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: You have already assisted us in ways that can never
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: be repaid. You will continue to do so as you
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: move forward in this life. Yeah, I wonder what he
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: meant by that. What did you assist in, Alex Cox,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you dirty rat bastard? 3.17 p.m. Chat to Alex in blessing.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: The lessons you had to learn in your youth have
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: made you a strong, powerful servant of the Lord. That
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: could not have happened in a traditional LDS home. You
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: had to go to great depth to achieve tremendous heights. 3.18 p.m.,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: chat to Alex. The Savior is saying unto me, well done.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: The soul is cleansed. All is well. You will be
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: a powerful servant. I bless you with the knowledge that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: you will now forward as a true warrior, like you
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: have to be on a permanent LSD trip to believe
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: any of this stuff at all. You're a warrior. You
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: had 96 lives. You're here to be a righteous troop
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: of God. I mean, come on. 3.19 p.m., chat to Alex.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: You will be known throughout the world for your good
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: heartedness and your ability to save souls throughout the world
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: through portals. You will be able to gather the souls
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: who come unto Christ. I see you as a messenger
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: of the Lord. Your mission will be to go among
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the people and testify as a prophet. Chad starts to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: cry and continues to give his blessing through the tears.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's out here pitching all kinds of
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: wolf tickets. The Lord this, the Lord that. Vafangul, buddy, okay?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: The Lord's not involved. It's just you and your own
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: stupid LARPing. Chad says Alex will be able to raise
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: vibrations and will be given assignments to go further into
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: the world, always serving with a companion, and they will
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: communicate with Mother Earth herself. You will know where to
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: be before natural disasters happen. You will be on location
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: to protect key leaders and to preserve them as you
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: gather little children in your arms, saving them from floodwaters.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Chad is choking back his tears and sniffling, more like
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: killing little kids in his apartment or on Chad Daybell's property.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: 3.23 p.m.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Chad says Alex will be an angel on Earth and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: will literally glow for those who are allowed to see him.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: At the proper time, after many years of service in
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: such ways, as the second coming approaches, you will know
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: when it's time to move to the other side. This
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: body that has served you well will lay down one
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: day and your spirit will leave this body. You will
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: be greeted wholeheartedly and welcomed by the Savior himself. You
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: will already know him, but that reunion will take place
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: on a And like every one of Chad Daybell's promises,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: this didn't work out well for them either, did it?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: As Alex Cox now is rotting in hell. 3.25 p.m.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Chad blesses Alex with strength, power, and dominion over the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: callings he will receive. Chad says Alex is part of
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: a special team of people moving towards translation, and the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Lord will be with him at all times. Chad says
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Alex will be a patriarch in his own home, and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the veil will basically be gone. 3.26 p.m. Chad says
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Alex now has nine angels assigned to him to watch
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: over him for his faithfulness. Chad blesses Alex with a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: strong protection against Satan and his followers. Lucifer, Cain, anyone
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: else who comes after him. 3.28 p.m. Chad ends the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: blessing and you hear Lori say amen. Blake has one
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: follow-up question asking if there was a timestamp when the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: recording was made. It was on November 24th, 2019. 3.29 p.m.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Court is now adjourned for the day. All right, so
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: as you can see, batshit crazy nonsense going on with
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, Lori Vallow, and Alex Cox. And the stuff
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: they believed in? Oh yeah, batshit crazy as well. And
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I think the prosecution has done a great job the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: last couple of days of showing that. And I would
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: expect that to continue today and through the rest of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: the trial. Now remember, today there will be proceedings. They're
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: going to have testimony. and the court will be in session. However,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: on Monday, it will not be in session due to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake and the death of her family. All right, folks,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: so that's going to do it for this one. Obviously,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: whatever goes down today in the courtroom, we'll have a
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: wrap-up about that tomorrow morning. All of the information that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.