Latest / Suite Spot: A Hotel Marketing Podcast / 209 – Independent Hotel Show Series: Dave Jacoby & Kaleigh Wiese
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- Ryan Embree: Welcome to Suite Spot, where hoteliers check in, and we check out what's trending in hotel marketing. I'm your host, Ryan Embree. Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Suite Spot podcast. This is your host, Ryan Embree, here with another episode of our Independent Hotel Show series. This is season two. We've done quite a number of these independent hotel show series episodes, but this is the first one where we've got multiple guests. So I'm excited to bring them both in today. First with me, Dave Jacoby, founder and owner of Hotel Lucine, and Kaleigh Weise, founder and CEO of Ode Places. Dave, Kaleigh, thank you so much for being with me today. Dave Jacoby: So excited. Thanks for having us. Kaleigh Weise: What a way to kick off the independent hotel show. Dave and I got to share the stage last year. Dave Jacoby: We did. Kaleigh Weise: And I feel like we could have talked for a million more hours. And we're friends, but also we've worked together, so I feel like I'm excited to be on together. Ryan Embree: Alright, well this is awesome. I'm excited. We'll, we won't be able to speak for a million hours, but we'll definitely have some time today. And I'm excited, but as tradition here in the Suite Spot, one of the wonderful things about our industry and hospitality is people come from all different walks of life to get into our industry. Sometimes you fall into it with a summer job, sometimes you start as a bellman. Like myself, we love to hear these stories. We live and breathe these stories in hospitality and share them with others. So let's start by just a proper introduction and maybe your hospitality journeys that led you to your respective positions. Kaleigh, let's start with you. Kaleigh Weise: Yeah. Well, there's a lot to unpack here. So if you see me at the show, come find me. I have been self-employed by whole entire career, and I have always been obsessed with the form and function of business. Like, how do you have a brand that really resonates despite, you know, I see your brand is like a lighthouse, right? Like, how are you attracting the right people? But also at the end of the day, like that business has to be incredibly healthy. And then you layer on a hotel, which is a 24/7 breathing company. And so how do you make sure that you have the longevity with systems and processes and you have a brand that continues to resonate as the years develop. And so I got my start serving in essentially helping brand and position and help with coaching for hospitality and service-based businesses. And then that naturally led into places where people slept, right? So I actually was working with event venues for a long time and when we got into the lodging conversation, I was like, now this is fascinating, a one time event versus like, keeping this up 24/7, what does that look like? And so we, I started out places essentially in 2018 after being in Northern California in the Santa Cruz Redwoods, we got to support a property out there. And I was like, the resonance that I got to feel to plant seeds of purpose into the land there of those 80 acres and understanding the choices we made would affect short-term and long-term generations really put me on a trajectory where that's where I've committed my work so far. Ryan Embree: Really cool origin story there. And a lot of parallels from the event industry to hospitality and lodging. So, Dave, what about you? Dave Jacoby: Yeah, thanks. So I'm born and raised in Philadelphia, but somehow I ended up in Galveston, Texas, so I did not have that on my bingo card growing up. But here I am, out of college, worked in some finance and kind of hotel development related positions. First in New York City, then went to graduate school, then moved to Las Vegas and actually was in the casino space. But throughout that whole kind of portion of my journey was developing projects that were other people's ideas and kind of on behalf of others, even though, you know, in Vegas, for example, I led development and opening up a resort there, moved to Galveston, where my wife is from. And my family's now based in 2016. And just felt like I fell in love with Galveston, but felt like Galveston needed a slightly different hospitality experience here. Something with a little more soul that matched the soul that this whole town has. But the hospitality offerings that I didn't feel like harnessed that soul really well, yet found an old kind of out of favor motel on the beach and figured out a way to acquire it and came up with a brand and a design and a team that we put together. And it's been a labor of love and, you know, blood, sweat and tears sometimes, but a lot of smiles and happiness too. And we're going on three years open, so, okay, that's kind of how I got here. Ryan Embree: That's like the America, the hotel American dream, what you're doing right now. And listen, I went to school for hospitality and I think just this conversation already between the event management, hospitality, the gaming that you've included. I mean, this is like hospitality management 101 through the experiences, but certainly a familiar one where you're bouncing around. But it sounds like you found your home there in Galveston. I was really excited about this conversation because it's very rare I get to talk to two guests that have kind of built their brands from the ground up, right? And I think this is a challenge and a task that especially independent hoteliers have to kind of face and building their story and building a brand that resonates with travelers, especially today. So how important is branding and storytelling to connect with guests? Because I think that is what independent hotels strive to do is create this connection that might be missing right now and, you know, really hopefully leads to loyalty in the future. And what maybe advice would you share from your own personal kind of branding journeys? Dave, we'll start with you and then go to Kaleigh. Dave Jacoby: The brand is so central to what we're doing. We sort of started with that brand identity, and I use the term identity not as like a business jargon term, but it really is an identity. We personified our brand and there are still decisions that we'll make where we have this fictitious Aunt Lucine that we will use as a muse for decisions we make around property. And it's sort of a guiding light for us. But, I think the concept of kind of personifying your brand really helps make it make sense, at least for me. So, I look at how do we connect with our guests? I really look at how we connect with our local community and use that as the window in to our guests with the kind of overriding assumption that if our whole town and local surrounding population considers us part of the fabric of that neighborhood, that the outsiders will, that authenticity will come through. Outsiders will see that that's where they'll want to stay. So then, back to the personification of it, just like in your personal life, if you are friends with a group of people, you need to add something to that group and you need to then take something back from that group. So I sort of look at Galveston as the environment here is like a play. And instead of us coming in and saying, well, what is everyone else doing, we'll do that too. So that we fit in saying, well, how do we add a new main character to the cast here? And I sort of look at it that way. And so what are we adding that's different, but how does it fit into and, and be complimentary with everything around it? And that's, that's kind of how we, we looked at how we fit in and what we offer to our guests both, as, you know, overnight hotel guests and local community that might eat, drink, hang out with us. Ryan Embree: Kaleigh? Kaleigh Weise: Well, I wanna also compliment Dave and Keith have done such a phenomenal job at Hotel Lucine that they have a brand bible, if you will. And I think that it is a testament to how the vision casting of Aunt Lucine infiltrates, the purchases that they make for design, the plants, the employees, the uniforms, how they want them to talk and walk, and all of that alignment I think resonates really well with attracting the right talent, but also attracting the right guests. And so I think having intentionality, I always say, your brand is what other people say it is. So we have to remember that we have control over how we position our brands and what we want. So I think intentionality is first, which I think Hotel Stein does. On the flip side of that, I think we have to be realistic about who is traveling and who is coming to the hotel or who is also the consumer. Obviously on the B2B side, I usually like to pick three to five different personas, and I think that that helps shape making decisions. We have a property we're working with right now that is on 12 acres. There's 43 cabins. It's primarily outside, right? It's like, okay, who is the ideal person who's looking for a property like this? And I think the clearer that you can get with that, it helps you understand where your revenue programming is gonna come for, like, come from. It helps you understand like where you should put costs. Like do they care about the amenities? Do they care about the soap? Do they want a robe in the room? And I think sometimes we make decisions that are too close to maybe how we would like to travel or what we think is best, and we forget what our guests might be looking for, which then leads to greater revenue opportunities and better residents that leads to people wanting to come back because they feel like they belong there, right? Like that was created for them. So that's kind of the flip side of I think knowing who you are, but knowing who your guest is is equally as important. Ryan Embree: Yeah, a hundred percent. And there's, I mean, guests are leaving us clues constantly on who they are based on online feedback, social media posts, reviews, there's so many things. Even just a day-to-day conversations, you would be surprised, a tip that everyone gets, you know, you wanna know, you wanna learn about what guests think about you, just hang out in your lobby for a couple minutes during breakfast and just hear the conversations about what people are saying about their stay. But Dave, I loved your point there about talking about being embedded in the local community because you think about people that really prioritize a unique experience in the independent hotel space, which they're independent hotels are so positioned to do, if you don't become a part of your community, they're looking for that unique kind of experience that only an independent hotel can provide them. If you're really embracing your local community and sharing those same kind of aspects of it's gonna hopefully resonate with that traveler. And then hopefully they amplify that story a little bit in some of the ways that I was talking about. But one of the things we're gonna talk about the independent hotel show in a second in September, very excited about that. But one of the things that I love about that show is sometimes as independent hotels, you might feel a little bit like you're on an island because you don't have that big brand behind you, right? So getting a bunch of independent hoteliers together, you hear about some of the challenges that are going on right now. And unfortunately right now there's a lot of noise in our industry. Economic shift, geopolitical factors, rising operational costs and margins are very thin, can be challenging for independent hoteliers. Where do you guys see opportunity right now? Because independent hotels are always looking for that little bit of edge. Where do you see opportunity right now in the state of this industry and maybe where do you see some shared challenges that we have to kind of battle as an industry for independent hotelilers? Kaleigh, let's start with you and then maybe Dave you could zoom in maybe a little bit more on your property and market. Kaleigh Weise: I think the biggest thing that I'm seeing is, I talk about all these revenue drivers as like little dials. We get to tweak and twist, right? And I think that through some of the impacts that we're having that are things that are outside of our control, right? There's only so much we can do with some of these things. There are a few things that you actually can kind of take control over. And I think that investing more in the community and finding opportunities to drive revenue with the people who are in your local area who maybe aren't traveling for the summer or fall or Christmas or whatever that might be through that event programming, it is not uncommon for us to go into a independent hotel and they haven't really ever thought about events, especially if they're under, let's say 60 keys. Even 20 to 40 or 80 is a great number because you have an opportunity to having a full buyout, or you can have 40th birthday parties or a wedding or something like that. And that can be a huge revenue driver. And so I think as we look at shifts that are happening with, you know, the average event or wedding right now is booking a hundred or event is booking 120 days out. I think the average wedding is booking somewhere between nine and and 14 months out. You can start forecasting revenue a little bit more in control and then focusing on your rooms and your distribution in shorter term pickup opportunities. And so I think understanding where are all of your revenue drivers? What do you have control over? What do you not have control over? And where are, maybe there are opportunities that will be very low lift to you to be able to fill dates and have revenue coming in ways that haven't been the pickup that you anticipated. Ryan Embree: yeah, and food and beverage, huge opportunity and doesn't, you're absolutely right, Kaleigh. It doesn't necessarily need to be travelers from outside of your market all the time. The hotel restaurant, I feel like has got a bad rap for the last decade or so, but it is turning around, right? And it's a place where people want to be. It's a social setting where when people come, you might be hosting people and for the holidays or what have you, and you might find yourself at a hotel restaurant even if they're not staying there. So it's certainly a shift in what's happening right now, but especially for independent hotels. Dave, what about you? What have you kind of seen in your market and maybe any creative solutions for some of these challenges right now? Dave Jacoby: I mean, I'll sort of piggyback off of what Kaleigh said a little bit there, but it's events and Kaleigh has sort of focused on booking events from, you know, outside groups. I'll sort of look at it more as your internal event programming I think is also really important. And, and that's, and it's our kind of best way that we use to connect with our local community. And what that event programming is can be so many different things. It sort of depends who you are, who is in your community, and how do you fit into your community, what do you offer? So kind of when I talked about earlier, need to offer something back to your community that you're in, for us that means a lot of live music. We're very plugged into the local live music scene and we have a great curated music program every weekend night, all year long. And then in the summer we have a series called Sunset and Sounds, which is sort of larger bands that are touring. Some are touring the U.S. Some are based in Austin or elsewhere in Texas, and they come down to hotel scene and we put on free shows for hotel guests, the community, whoever wants to go. We do wellness events and that might be cold plunges or sound baths. We'll partner with local organizations that wanna do fundraisers or other events. And it's just a way to activate the space. It's a way for people that are not from your town to have a experience where they feel like they're integrated into what's happening in that community. It's a little more interesting for them as a visitor. And if you're staying at a large chain hotel down the street or in another market, they just can't deliver that. They don't have the people, enough people with decision making power that are in the community that are focused on that. It's just not the way they're built. So that's really the advantage I think independents do have over the larger chain hotels. We might not have the distribution systems and some of the other marketing spend, but we do have the ability to deliver on a day-to-day basis and experience that's just different than what those larger hotels can. Kaleigh Weise: And I would like to comment that, you know, we're seeing data around three hour drives being really hot, right? So I think sometimes you think you're marketing to the next nearest city or, you know, looking for that destination destination visitor. I think really thinking about who are those markets that are within a three hour drive that are easy pickup for you once they know that you exist and you've again pointed your lighthouse of your marketing and branding in their direction, I think that's a wonderful way to pick up opportunities for guests and community and events and things like that. Ryan Embree: Hey, I am the father of a 5 and a 3-year-old. And let me tell you, I'm a huge proponent of the three hour trip because that's about as far as I can get before all of us go a little crazy. So you, you can bet I'm definitely looking for those opportunities to get out there and have that type of experience that Dave, you know, it's around this time of year when we're I'm talking to independent hotels that I get so inspired because the freedom of having an independent hotel and the activations and programming that you can put on, I think sometimes independent hotels, because they see some of these big branded hotels not doing some of this programming. They think should I be doing it? And it's maybe because they have so much red tape in their branding, they have to get approval from, legal or their brand to actually run these things that they're just not doing it. So it's such an opportunity, and again, I get so inspired to kind of see that because the way the ingenuity that these independent hoteliers have is just, it's second to none in our industry. It's really creating a very cool experience, which is now being showcased and highlighted easier than ever via social media and reviews. So as we talk about industry trends, I wanna see, Kaleigh, you were talking about the three hour trip, right? Wellness is a big one, f &b, what are some of these maybe traveler trends that you're starting to see bubble up and emerge right now? And how can independent hotels capitalize on these trends and over maybe branded competitors? Dave, you want to start maybe any trends that you're noticing in your market in Galveston? Dave Jacoby: I'd say one might be the, and to use a buzzword here, the bleisure trends or the business leisure trends. So we will find, sometimes we'll get small groups, maybe it's a board or a small creative agency or something like that, that will come and have an offsite with us. And it's partially meant to be used as a brainstorming session or some obvious business function to their meeting. But it's also a time to hang out. Some of these groups might bring spouses with them or there might be a business component and then they'll stay for the weekend and then it's a little more freeform or social at that point. Or I'll sort of see this bleisure happen from the other direction where someone will say, Hey, I want to come for a weekend and be at the beach, but why not come on Wednesday night and I'll stay and I'll just, I work from home anyway. That's become so much more acceptable for all or part of the week for so many people. What does it matter if I work from home, from home home or from a hotel or a hotel lobby where I've got coffee? And it can be tended to. So we sort of see leisure trips happen in both those directions where the, the work kind of lends a little more leisure and the leisure lends a little more work. Kaleigh Weise: We also have a great living room for people to work and hang out and stay and enjoy beachside. Dave Jacoby: We do, we do. I sit in there often and you're, and you're right that it is when I overhear what people are saying about the hotel, I do my work, but I also eave drop and pop in on people and help out with things. Ryan Embree: It's funny 'cause you know, modern day design for hotels now are accommodating for that. They know that the flexible workspace and they're building lobby common areas a little bit larger or maybe even not so siloed so that people can mingle, interact, but also have some spaces to work from. So certainly a trend there. Kaylee, what are you seeing maybe from, as you zoom out? Kaleigh Weise: I mean I think experiences and add-ons are something that I continue to be surprised by. So if I'm the North American Ambassador for Muse, so I of course love Muse, but also cloud beds and stay in touch and all of, like, they all offer these add-on options where a guest during checkout or pre-arrival, they can add that early check-in. I'm blown away by the amount of people who opt into that $35 pre-check in or wanna add a bottle of wine to the room. Like those little details, it's so helpful when they're coming to have that reminder that we can make this a more customized stay for you. And so I think the sweet spot is no more than seven upsell opportunities. But I think that that even bleeds into, I know when we were helping with Hotel Lucine I'd ideate on some of these things, it's like they ended up doing pop-up dinners on the balconies of their rooms and adding, I forget, a couple hundred dollars right? Or picnic baskets that people could take offsite. And I think people are hungry for having that almost like travel agent like experience where if the property can customize an itinerary for them or enhancements for their stay, I think they're very excited and eager to be able to take advantage of that. So I think that's a trend that's happening and desirable, but something that I see a lot of independent hoteliers are stuck in the day to day and maybe not adding the attention that they could that will see the revenue that really is low hanging fruit out there. Dave Jacoby: Kaleigh's so good at that. I mean she helped us with that as she mentioned, but she's got this ability to kind of come in and just see what's going on every day and she's not seeing anything you don't see immediately. But then she also sees these other opportunities of ways to personalize the guest experience in a way that you're happy to do and isn't a heavy lift for you and the guest is happy to pay for. And it's just such a win-win. It's almost like you get the surprise and delight moment right outta the gates and the guest pays for it too. It's a great, it's a great combo. Kaleigh Weise: Just a matter of training the staff and getting in on the website. Ryan Embree: That's right. Very important. Get the buy-in from the staff. But you mentioned that word personalized. I mean that's what we've been striving for in this industry for a long time. Personalization and with the rise of technology and AI like I put here, it's not a podcast in 2026 if we don't use those words. I don't think I anybody would listen if we don't talk about that or that buzzword. But I do wanna talk about it because I think especially with independent hotels, they might be more excited than most because it could figure out a way they could use AI and technology to maybe shrink the difference or find that edge against a branded competitor and maybe not feel so, you know, just David versus Goliath in that sense. So Kaleigh, have you kind of seen any competitive or creative uses of technology and AI in the industry, especially with independent hotels? And then maybe Dave you could share a little bit of your thoughts as well. Kaleigh Weise: I definitely see us being in a bit of a purgatory and as I'm talking about this, I'm thinking fast forward a year from now and I think agentic agents are at our fingertips for having access to supportive administrative help. And I see what Muse is working on behind the scenes and it's like we're gonna be living in a very different operational world. In I think all the best ways. And when I think about the future of an org chart at a small independent property where you have to get stuck in the day-to-day right now planning and preparing for guests and double checking things like being able to be synced in when Uber's about to when Uber's about to drop off your guest. And being able to be prepared with that timing. I think we're gonna see our front desk admin become hosts for the first time and really have the time and empowerment to be able to greet them with the level of detail and customization. I also think the automations, I think we're gonna snap that into being just such a helpful tool to ask the right questions or personalize the spaces. So I think currently it's very challenging, let's say for an independent hotel to offer a pillow menu, if you will, for the right pillows that that guest is gonna want. But I think in the future we're gonna be able to have the opportunity for putting a time and attention into creating experiences that guest deserves that's customized based on various preferences or interactions. And so I think it's a really exciting time for actually hospitality to take back the spotlight. And that's why people join this industry, right? Is they love hosting people and giving people experiences. And I think sometimes the admin takes away from that, you know? And I think that it's gonna allow us to be more competitive when it comes to distribution. All of us didn't go to school to be revenue managers, right? And I think that is a, that is a calculated game that to be able to have tools that can help support us and making sure that we're optimizing the proper ADR and and pickup cost to be able to book our occupancy moving forward. I think it's a really exciting time. I think we're just in the purgatory of it right now. It's like at our fingertips, but we're not quite there. But I think about a year from now, things are gonna feel like it's restabilizing in a really exciting way. Ryan Embree: So Dave, from an owner's per perspective, you've, you just talked about how carefully you've kind of curated and built this incredible experience at Hotel Lucine. What is your thoughts on when you think about implementing technology or, or some sort of new AI initiative into the guest experience and how you make sure that doesn't impact your brand too much? Dave Jacoby: I like the term Kaleigh used about purgatory. I don't think we're quite there yet. If you look at the amount of, certainly in the independent space, useful applications of AI in the day-to-day life versus the amount of words in print publications about AI, it's a massive imbalance there. To me, the right ways that AI can be implemented are ways that are invisible to the guests. So the example Kaleigh was using is one that we're, I'm rolling out actually now in kind of bits and pieces is how do you use AI to improve your day-to-day workflow? And for me, if it's, I can unleash it on my Google drive and have it pull a bunch of information and synthesize it and put report together for that I can then give to our team. We've got better data and that would've taken me three hours, but I let it run in the background for 10 minutes and it's done. You know, things like that to get better insights on your business, that can be done. Now, to the extent we can use AI to free up front desk agents, I'm working through a specific protocol on that now, just to get all the, what's your pet policy, what time is check? And we just get so many emails that are repetitive in nature to answer. And the front desk agent isn't always on top of it. Sometimes they're doing other things, and I'd rather they be eyeball to eyeball with a guest acting as a host or hostess to the people that come in and providing person to person hospitality and not in the computer. We can free that up. You can do that now. So it's a matter of just setting the systems up and taking the time to do it. And you can set it up with as much automation or oversight as you want to do, but it's a matter of taking the time to actually do it so that you can free up those personal interactions. Because that's where we as independent hotels, I think are, that's what we people come to us for, is for that personalized touch and feeling like they're having a human interaction and they're not at a big corporate commoditized hotel. So we wanna give them that as much as we can. Kaleigh Weise: And I mean, I think human-centric is so important. I think we can, we can still remain to have a human-centric business with these tools. I hear all the time people feel like they're so behind with using AI. And I guess even for those listeners today, I think you can relinquish the shame because the speed in which AI is gonna continue to grow is gonna continue to grow. And I think the application of that, depending on what market you're in, what tools you're using, I think if you can focus on one implementation thing that's gonna actually help you serve your guests better, you're not behind. It's really just pacing that is right for your team, for your guests, and what's gonna be right for you. But also don't be afraid of it. Like, I think that there's a lot of exciting things and tools that are only gonna be able to support us as an industry. Ryan Embree: My big bold prediction is that I think the GM of the next couple years is actually gonna look a lot more like maybe the GM of 20, 30 years ago before all of that kind of work that what we traditionally thought a GM had to do with reports and all of these things that actually some of those desk jockeying kind of tasks, AI can, agentic AI could potentially take care of for you. And then you get back to kind of doing what both of you described as, you know, that face-to-face human interaction. So what I'm hoping is that, you know, a lot of this technology actually kind of causes more of our service driven people and hospitality professionals to kind of rise to the top and create some really cool, memorable experiences and maybe just get that service back to where it was. Because it just feels like there's some aspects of it in some hotels where it just, we completely missed the mark. So that's my, maybe that's me being a litte too, but that's, that's my 2 cents and what I hope happens. Dave Jacoby: No, no, I think that makes a lot of sense. And I thought of one other great application for independent hoteliers for AI. We don't have an in-house IT guy. We don't have an in-house like maintenance tech. We're just not big enough to carry those positions. But you can go to your, claude, chatGPT, whatever it is, and say, why did my TV turn on three times in the middle of the night by itself in room 212 last night? True story, this happened and the guest was upset. And then I explained what my systems are and how they work and what they can, you give it a little bit of input information, it'll help you diagnose. I haven't yet tried the recommendation 'cause I'm on here talking to you guys. But there are all kinds of solutions you can ask for help for and they might not be right, but before you're spending money to call out an HVAC technician, find somebody who can handle whatever this one specific system you have is and can service that you can troubleshoot a lot of these things and 60, 70% of these things you can fix on your own because it'll walk you through it. It's really a helpful way to save money. And that also helps guests experience, right? Because now if that TV's not turning on three times middle of the night for that guest tomorrow night, she'll be happy. Ryan Embree: Love it. Yeah. There we go. Just claude gonna be employee of the, of the week over there at Hotel Lucine every week If we get that figured out. But I do wanna shift our attention to the reason we, you know, started this series, the Independent Hotel Show this year happening September 16th and 17th in Miami Beach. We could not be more excited. And for our Suite Spot listeners, don't forget to use promo code Ryan26 for a complimentary registration. Dave, you're on the advisory board and Kaleigh, you're a brand ambassador like myself. We were on a call talking about the show just the other day. I wanna get your thoughts on what inspired you to get involved with this event and maybe some of your personal favorite aspects of the show. So Kaleigh, let's start with you and then Dave, you can answer. Kaleigh Weise: I have been an active conference goer my whole career, right? Like a little bit of hustling, a little bit of gorilla marketing. And when I look back at the growth and success in my career, it really comes down to the thin threads and the people that I meet. And I think to have an opportunity to pull up a seat at the table for independent hoteliers who do feel very isolated most of the time, right? They don't have any other friends who have independent hotels to call. They feel like they're stuck in the day to day. This will be the fourth year. And I've been able to be a part all four years. And I think it's really exciting to even meet back up every year and hear about the growth that each person is experiencing, but also what's working in their market and not, and just because you're in Boston or you're in Galveston or you're in Monterey, California, you're gonna find that you have more the same than different when it comes to the day-to-day challenges of operating a business or being able to get in front of the right guests that you know that you deserve, that are paying the price point that you want. And so to have an opportunity to hear what's relevant in terms of content, but also talk with other people is just invaluable. And so I continue to be really excited about the niche of, you know, the subsegment. The industry is so large in lodging and we really haven't had a place until the Independent Hotel Show that gathers this segment of people who are doing it. Owner operated and small with a passion. Ryan Embree: Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. Passion is is a word we hear a lot at that show. Because you can just see, I mean these are, you guys are both founders like I mentioned before. I mean the passion behind your brand, the storytelling makes such a huge difference. And to have that much energy and a place Miami Beach of all places, right? One of the independent hotel capital of the world, to see and hear all of that is a truly a memorable experience. Dave what about yourself? Dave Jacoby: Yeah, so unlike Kaleigh, I do not go to a lot of conferences. It's not generally my thing, but I've been into this show and really loved it. I loved how we mentioned earlier how a lot of independent hoteliers haven't really had a lot of places to congregate and kind of coalesce their thoughts together. I found the panels awesome, even the ones that I was like, well that's doesn't really touch what I do in my day to day, but I'm here so I'll listen. All of them. I found really interesting. More than that, it was just the people that were there, these other independent hotel helped hoteliers who had done gone on their own journeys to get wherever they got. And they had all figured it out. Ghere was not a lot of resources in front of them telling them how to do what they needed to do. They just, they needed to pay their mortgage, they just did the next right thing and got there. So hearing the stories of how people solved whatever the issues were that were in front of them and sharing my own stories and finding the commonalities of maybe the setting was different or the problem was different, but really the approach was very the same. Or getting inspiration from people who have figured out things I hadn't figured out yet and learning from them. So I really like just the being able to learn so much kind of one-on-one from people and in and in some of the sessions. Kaleigh Weise: I also think they do a great job of pulling together vendors and resources. It is not uncommon for an independent hotelier to go to Costco for some of their... Or order on, you know, Walmart.com or Amazon. And I feel like there really are great resources out there that are made for independent hoteliers and to bring them into the room to have a conversation around cost savings or ability to be able to elevate the amenities that they have on site. I'm really excited 'cause I think of the show floor this year is gonna be bigger and better than ever from what we were hearing in preparation. And so I think it's a wonderful opportunity that people should allow time to walk the floor in addition to hearing the sessions because those vendors can really change their bottom line quite significantly with implementation. Ryan Embree: Yeah, absolutely. And it's so cool to see the eclecticness of the independent hoteliers there from, Dave, you're a great example coming from Galveston, Texas. You could be coast to coast anywhere from like a little five room air bnb rather to a giant independent hotel in a major market. So just everything in between, all different shapes and sizes when it comes to independent hotels, independent hotels. That's why we love them so much. That's why we like hearing the stories and why it's such a unique space and hospitality. And to be able to spend those couple days putting the spotlight on sometimes, this really, really unique segment, it's such a privilege. We've had the opportunity to cover the show for four years as well. So we're very excited and hope our Suite Spot listeners will join us in Miami Beach this September. So as we wrap up, I do like to just kind of give the opportunity for any final thoughts as we wrap up today. I want to thank both of you for taking the time to join me today. Kaleigh, any final thoughts before we wrap up? Kaleigh Weise: Yeah, I feel like the, the topic I wanna touch on is a lot of hoteliers in the making are interested in the show and I feel like there's a little bit of intimidation showing up, not really having background or knowledge or even knowing what they're getting themselves into. And so I guess from an affirmation perspective, this is a wonderful show if this is an industry that you're curious about or you wanna learn more about or you wanna have the conversations around. And so we look forward to hopefully welcoming you in September. Dave Jacoby: Yeah, I will echo that. And kind of say there are a lot of people at this show that are interested in the space and maybe are there to learn and they'll find that people are there like myself or other people who have kind of gone through the process and developed their hotel. I would just say to all of them here, what I'll say to you at the show is, I didn't know what I was doing either when I started and a lot of us don't. And there's no playbook. There's not gonna be a playbook. You're not gonna find one that's gonna tell you what to do at all steps. You just surround yourself with smart people. You need to know what you can and cannot do and where your limits are and kind of take the plunge and figure it out as you go. And your decision making in the moment is really gonna be what's gonna drive the process. And if you're always waiting to have the full roadmap, you're never gonna have that roadmap. Ryan Embree: Maybe that'll be our next endeavor as the independent hoteliers playbook and we can publish that as a couple authors. Dave Jacoby: Yeah, a long book. Ryan Embree: Yes. Take a lot I'm sure. Kaleigh Weise: Variation A, B, C, D. Ryan Embree: Exactly. Ryan Embree: Well, Kaleigh, Dave, thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time, sharing your stories today. We cannot wait for September at the Independent Hotel Show. And thank you all for listening to the Suite Spot. We will talk to you next time. To join our loyalty program, be sure to subscribe and give us a five star rating on iTunes. Suite Spot is produced by Travel Media Group. Our editor is Brandon Bell with Cover Art by Bary Gordon. I'm your host Ryan Embree, and we hope you enjoyed your stay.