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Patriots Unfiltered 8/11: Direct from Patriots Joint Practice with the Colts · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The Worlds of Pigeon podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Live from Patriots Training Camp.
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  Speaker 3: This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota dot Com. Goody,
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  Speaker 3: good morning, and welcome to Patriots Training Camp special Patriots
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  Speaker 3: Unfiltered edition. We are high above the practice field here
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  Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium, getting ready for the joint practice with
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  Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts. It's Paul Pirello, myself, Fred Kersh, my Dussau,
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  Speaker 3: Evan Lazarre, and we're happy to have you with us
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  Speaker 3: for this today. It's a beautiful day out, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of breeze, which is most welcome. It's been really
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  Speaker 3: hot here in New England lately, but it's just a
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  Speaker 3: glorious day for football.
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  Speaker 1: Glorious day. I think everybody was looking forward to this.
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  Speaker 4: Talking to the players over the last few practices, I
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  Speaker 4: think they're already to hit somebody else, to see some
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  Speaker 4: different schemes. And I don't know, have I think you
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  Speaker 4: summed it up well last week where you're like it
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  Speaker 4: feels like it's getting a little stale. Maybe they're kind
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  Speaker 4: of getting used to seeing the same plays over and
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  Speaker 4: over again.
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  Speaker 1: These are always a highlight of.
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  Speaker 4: The summer and it should be a really good one today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and with the way that the NFL as a
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  Speaker 5: whole treats preseason games now for the starting frontline players,
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  Speaker 5: we just heard from Mike Rabel that Drake May is
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  Speaker 5: probably not gonna play on Thursday night.
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  Speaker 6: This is the preseason now. These are practices.
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  Speaker 5: Are where that starters Drake May, aj Brown, Christian Gonzalez,
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  Speaker 5: That's where they get their work in is during these
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  Speaker 5: joint practices.
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  Speaker 6: So this is the this is the litmus.
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  Speaker 5: This is a barometer now against the team last year
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  Speaker 5: that was on its way to the playoffs until Daniel
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  Speaker 5: Jones got hurt.
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  Speaker 6: It's a talented team.
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  Speaker 5: They got some stars on that side as well, So
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  Speaker 5: it's gonna be exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned this is preseason now, and it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be increasingly so because eventually the league's gonna go to
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  Speaker 2: eighteen games. That means they're gonna knock down on one
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  Speaker 2: of the preseason games down to so it'll be two.
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  Speaker 2: So these joint practices are going to be more and
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  Speaker 2: more important, even more than they are now. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be common to see teams with two joint practices
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  Speaker 2: at minimum during training camp.
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  Speaker 1: So this is it.
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  Speaker 2: Like Vrabel said, you're gonna get about twenty four offensive snaps,
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  Speaker 2: so they've already got it all mapped out, which he
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  Speaker 2: says is.
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  Speaker 1: More than a game. I thought that was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit strange.
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  Speaker 4: Well for the for the ones and then no for
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  Speaker 4: the ones, Okay, gotcha, Okay, it would be a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more. But yeah, I mean this is you know,
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  Speaker 4: the trend. We've been watching plenty of joint practices here,
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  Speaker 4: we were in Minnesota last year. You know, always really competitive.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I just I always enjoyed the final two minute.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's the you know, the last segment that
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  Speaker 4: they do. The two teams, you know, go against each other,
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  Speaker 4: try to put some points on the board. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's of course Robert Spileine out here. I'm sure he's
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  Speaker 4: fired up today to get some stick marks, stick his
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  Speaker 4: helmet into some of these cults players.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, for anyone who's new to joint practice,
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  Speaker 2: is it's not one hundred percent tackling. It's pretty much
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  Speaker 2: i'd say maybe eighty percent speed. And you know, guys
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  Speaker 2: aren't for the most part, going to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: There's some thutting going on.
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  Speaker 2: There's some you know, pushing and shoving and kind of
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  Speaker 2: heavy hits, especially along the line of scrimmage, but guys
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  Speaker 2: aren't tackling, and sometimes when one.
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  Speaker 1: Guy goes a little bit harder than another, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's get a little heated. We've seen some fights here,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 4: I also think something I recognized last year was in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 4: You felt like Minnesota's defense was all over Drake, which
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  Speaker 4: you know they were, but I think there were also
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  Speaker 4: plays that Drake said, people forget how mobile I am.
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  Speaker 4: Not every single one of those was going to be
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  Speaker 4: a sack. So I think it's important not to, you know, overreact.
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  Speaker 4: Remember that it isn't live. The quarterback can sneak out
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  Speaker 4: sometimes and it's in a real situation, so you know,
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  Speaker 4: some of this stuff it's going to get blown up
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  Speaker 4: and all. They had twelve sacks or you know, those
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  Speaker 4: kind of things, even for the defense, But like you said, Fred,
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  Speaker 4: it's not live, and you have to take everything a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a grain of salt.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope they don't have twelve sacks.
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  Speaker 4: That would probably be bad regardless yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We uh.
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  Speaker 2: In the last Patriots Unfiltered newsletter, we talked about the
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  Speaker 2: matchups that we're looking forward to watching during this practice.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go over let's go over that again. Evan. We'll
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  Speaker 1: start with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, has anything changed since you wrote wrote you wrote
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  Speaker 2: up in the newsletter?
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  Speaker 6: No, I said late to a lot to you versus
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  Speaker 6: Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 5: I'll stick with that as their best pass rusher on
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  Speaker 5: the edge and a player last year at over sixty pressures,
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  Speaker 5: double digit sacks. Pretty good player. Not necessarily a household
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  Speaker 5: name yet, but it was a first round pick a
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  Speaker 5: couple of years ago. I would just say big picture
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  Speaker 5: offense in general. I think the offense for the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: has been okay in training camp, but I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that they've consistently hit their ceiling yet. A lot of
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  Speaker 5: new faces, AJ Brown, Romeo Dobbs catching passes from Drake
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  Speaker 5: May for the first time. So you'd like to see
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  Speaker 5: the offense in one of these three joint practices. You'd
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  Speaker 5: like to see MVP Drake May. You know, you like
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  Speaker 5: to see him go out there and really tear it
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  Speaker 5: up into practice. So hopefully it's today, if not next
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  Speaker 5: week against the Eagles, but I don't think we've necessarily
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  Speaker 5: seen this offense consistently firing on all cylinders yet.
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  Speaker 4: I think I missed the one day that that it
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  Speaker 4: was probably closest to the second day past.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, yeah, that that Friday was probably the
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  Speaker 5: closest thing to it. He definitely was good that day,
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying he hasn't been good, but I
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  Speaker 5: just think that there's been some growing pains with those receivers,
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  Speaker 5: in particular, breaking those guys in and Vera Tucker on
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  Speaker 5: the offensive line on the left side, and different faces
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  Speaker 5: in what they had last year in different spots. So
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  Speaker 5: you would just like to see that start to come together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, I'm gonna go not surprisingly with the
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  Speaker 4: edge players here for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Draymont Jones I think has been fine.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think he's one of those guys that
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  Speaker 4: will show up doing everything when when the season comes around.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, how does Elijah Ponder look in some
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  Speaker 4: of these drills? How does Gay Bachus look? Is he
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  Speaker 4: you know, finally unleashed here as he's worked his way
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  Speaker 4: back into you know, full play time, we've seen him
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  Speaker 4: get rising reps. So those guys you know, just how
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  Speaker 4: of they hold up. I mean, Indy's got a pretty
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  Speaker 4: good offensive line. You know, you never know quite how
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  Speaker 4: the matchups are going to work out. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: Raymond's pretty good left tackle for them, So how to
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  Speaker 4: out of those guys match up. It's still just such
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  Speaker 4: a key position to me if they're going to be
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  Speaker 4: able to generate consistent pressure off the edges with this group.
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  Speaker 4: And you know we heard about Harold Landry two. He's
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  Speaker 4: still working his way back. He's another part of this
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  Speaker 4: group eventually, but these three guys behind him are going
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  Speaker 4: to have to really hold the fort. I'd almost put
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  Speaker 4: Brayden Swinson in that mix too, But those three guys
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  Speaker 4: love to see something out of them today, winning their
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  Speaker 4: matchups off the.
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  Speaker 1: Edge, how about you, Paul?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, unfortunately Mian already got blown up because
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  Speaker 7: I don't think we're going to see Alec Pierce today.
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  Speaker 7: He's not feeling with some injuries there in Indie. Because
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  Speaker 7: I really have been impressed with the Patriots secondary during
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  Speaker 7: these training camp practices, obviously led by Christian Gonzalez. I
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  Speaker 7: wanted to see a different kind of challenge, you know,
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  Speaker 7: a taller speed threat, true speed threat down the field.
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  Speaker 1: Not going to see that, So.
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  Speaker 7: I guess I'll focus a little bit more just on
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  Speaker 7: the Patriots offensive line in general and see how it
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  Speaker 7: looks against another team. You know, I don't know who's
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  Speaker 7: going to be upfront, you know, if top to bottom
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  Speaker 7: for the Colts, but their NFL players, it's a good
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  Speaker 7: team that was off to a really good start until
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  Speaker 7: they had unfortunate injuries last year. It's tough because I
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  Speaker 7: think their offense is so predicated on Jonathan Taylor and
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  Speaker 7: I don't think that gets accentuated in a joint practice.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there's no real simulation for that, and I
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  Speaker 7: think so much of what they do depends on how
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  Speaker 7: he goes. But I do think you can see how
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  Speaker 7: the Patriots offensive line performance. We've seen some of these
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  Speaker 7: joint practices before. Some of them haven't always gone well,
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  Speaker 7: and you can see, even though they're not live, you
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  Speaker 7: can tell. So I'm hoping that there's a better showing today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry to cut you off.
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  Speaker 4: I just i'd highlight Jared Wilson and the interior, you know,
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  Speaker 4: going against Grover Stewart to Forrest Buckner, two of their
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  Speaker 4: top line guys. That's something I think we got to
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  Speaker 4: keep it one with Jared Wilson moving to center, handling
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  Speaker 4: the big guys inside, that's something that you know, we
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  Speaker 4: saw a little bit when he was playing left guard
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  Speaker 4: last year of you know, some of the power guys
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  Speaker 4: could kind of get into him and get him pushing back.
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  Speaker 1: We think he's better at center.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we've been told, that's what is his natural
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  Speaker 4: position is is that going to translate to the field
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  Speaker 4: and really, you know, solidify this.
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  Speaker 1: Whole new look offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: So that's that's another spot I'll be watching, especially you know,
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  Speaker 4: Elijah vera tucker for great things about him. Let's see
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  Speaker 4: how he does against some of these bigger body players inside.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I and you know I wrote and you know
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  Speaker 2: I'll stand by I'm looking at both sides of the line.
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  Speaker 2: How how do the how does the offensive line handle
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  Speaker 2: the Colts pressure when they send it? I think if
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  Speaker 2: there are problems on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: You'll see it today. Yeah, you'll see it today.
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  Speaker 2: And and if there's not, you'll see a smooth, smooth
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  Speaker 2: execution up front.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course can we get pressure on the Colts?
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  Speaker 1: How is that working out?
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  Speaker 2: And you know I'm like you guys, I'm excited to
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  Speaker 2: see Gabe Achis, to see how he's doing out there.
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  Speaker 2: No Christian Barmore today, as we as we found out
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  Speaker 2: something happened last week with him and we haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: him on the field since.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's related, you know, to the
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  Speaker 2: blood clot issue that he had before, or if it's
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  Speaker 2: a you know, some type of injury that he sustained.
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  Speaker 2: But there was a moment in practice last week where
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  Speaker 2: he fired his helmet and walked off the field, so
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  Speaker 2: he was upset about something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well it sounds like he's gonna be individual
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  Speaker 4: drills at least, so that you know, positive sign it
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  Speaker 4: is not something that's going to keep him out of
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  Speaker 4: the mix. I mean, kind of the funny injury thing
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  Speaker 4: to keep an eye on his his Julian Nashby was
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  Speaker 4: out yesterday suddenly.
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  Speaker 1: Never really seen that happen before the ankle.
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  Speaker 4: Injury brought back Nico Lalos.
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  Speaker 1: You know you have a that's.
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  Speaker 4: Why you got those long snappers on on speed dial.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, just cantinuing to watch all those guys today.
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  Speaker 4: It should be you know, just going back to sorry, Paul,
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  Speaker 4: real quick. With the Alec Pierce thing, I think that's
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  Speaker 4: a big thing for me is like A J. Brown
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  Speaker 4: hasn't really been deep on Christian Gonzales and even in
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  Speaker 4: the micd up you heard him and Drake kind of
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  Speaker 4: talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: That's Alec Pierce's game.
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  Speaker 4: That would have been a really interesting matchup to watch
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  Speaker 4: if if Gonzalez was able to, you know, keep the
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  Speaker 4: clamps on him over the top, that would really put
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  Speaker 4: a hamper in.
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  Speaker 1: So who is the Cold's best cornerback right now?
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course Various war is a good player and
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  Speaker 2: he's one hundred percent, so you know that'll be a
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  Speaker 2: good I'm assuming they'll put him on a J.
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  Speaker 1: Brown, but you know we'll see that in Yes, he
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  Speaker 1: expected to practice.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look, you go up and down to Colts roster.
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  Speaker 5: They they've got some star players, you know, DeForest Buckner,
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  Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor, Tyler Warren at tight end obviously saw us
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  Speaker 5: as a star player. So they they've got some household
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  Speaker 5: names on both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Indie Nopp, I mean, we it's easy to forget because
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  Speaker 2: the Colts kind of fell off after Daniel Jones got
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  Speaker 2: hurt and all.
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  Speaker 1: That eating too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were the number one seed in the AFC
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  Speaker 2: for a while.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that was a fluke.
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  Speaker 2: I Like you said, I think they've got some real
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  Speaker 2: good talent on this team. Like Paul said, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it is run based. Jonathan Taylor is probably their
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  Speaker 2: most valuable player on offense.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Daniel Jones is okay, he can Well, we'll.
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  Speaker 6: See about that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that if we're gonna say, is
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't a fluke, it's gonna be was Daniel Jones's
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  Speaker 5: ten game sample size a fluke or not. But Shane Stike,
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  Speaker 5: in their head coach, is one of the best play
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  Speaker 5: callers in football, does a really good job, really quarterback friendly.
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  Speaker 5: They run a similar system to what the Eagles do.
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  Speaker 5: So there's gonna be a lot of RPOs. There's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be a lot of quarterback movement in the backfield, moving pockets,
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  Speaker 5: things like that. And they did that a lot with
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  Speaker 5: Daniel Jones last year off that run game, and it
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  Speaker 5: really kind of simplifies it for the quarterback. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's a lot of one red throws, a lot of
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  Speaker 5: half field reads on the boots you know, so there's
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  Speaker 5: not as much drop back progression passing on. Daniel Jones
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  Speaker 5: has played as maybe there is another offenses and he
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  Speaker 5: excelled in it. You know, he was able to use
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  Speaker 5: his athleticism, his arm, you know, and really excel in it.
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  Speaker 2: So as you can see, the Colts will be in white,
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots will be in blue today. So I know
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  Speaker 2: that when the Patriots are among themselves, it's white blue offense,
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  Speaker 2: white defense blue. But here you've got all the Colts
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  Speaker 2: in white, all the Patriots in blue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The you know, going back to last year's joint practices,
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  Speaker 4: one of the themes that we saw a lot with
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  Speaker 4: this defense that we thought they had trouble with were
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  Speaker 4: screen passes and tight ends, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: those are two things that the Colts do very well,
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  Speaker 4: certainly with Tyler Warren. That's that's a big piece I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to keep an eye on today of you know,
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  Speaker 4: I almost thought last year that it's maybe a weakness
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  Speaker 4: in this defense where they're so aggressive that at times,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they will get their aggressiveness used against them
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  Speaker 4: when with screen passes and those kind of things. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Brabol kind of says, you just got to put your
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  Speaker 4: foot in the dirt and go get the ball as
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  Speaker 4: soon as you recognize it. But those are two spots,
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  Speaker 4: especially going back to the Minnesota practices last year that
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I think even carried over av into
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  Speaker 4: the regular season a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: With the tight end stuff.
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  Speaker 6: The tight ends is definitely true.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know how much running back screen
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  Speaker 5: they'll see from the Colts or like a perimeter bubble
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  Speaker 5: screen type of team. But in terms of the tight end,
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  Speaker 5: obviously there's Warren's one of the best, if not the best,
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL soon sooner rather than later. So he's
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  Speaker 5: a problem. And how are they going to cover tight ends?
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  Speaker 5: And it's not exactly as cut and dry as like
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  Speaker 5: a Belichick defense or you knew you had one guy
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  Speaker 5: like a chunk that was going to be on the
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  Speaker 5: tight end all the time. This defense kind of does
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  Speaker 5: it more by committee. You know, sometimes even the linebackers
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  Speaker 5: get caught in coverage on tight ends. So those those
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  Speaker 5: are things that they're gonna see. They're gonna see, you know,
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  Speaker 5: a J. Barner out of the gate. They're gonna see
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  Speaker 5: Dalton Kincaid. They're gonna see tight ends that can make
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  Speaker 5: plays in the passing game, just like Tyler Warren.
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  Speaker 2: So as far as our coverage today, we're allowed to
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  Speaker 2: be live through five, which from what I understand, will
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  Speaker 2: be a team drill, So you'll see a little Patriots
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  Speaker 2: versus Colts in that period and then we will shut off,
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  Speaker 2: but the rest of the practice will be covered afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do the camp cast afterwards, so you'll get everybody's
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  Speaker 2: opinions on what happened after period five on that on
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  Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com and Patriots Social.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a big day here.
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  Speaker 2: We're two days away from the first preseason game on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to believe, but here we are. Summer is
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  Speaker 2: officially over.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're in the preseason. But the joint practice preseason
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  Speaker 4: part those first couple weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Of training camp.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like those you know, they're fun and it's
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  Speaker 4: exciting to get back out here and watch a little football,
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: but you quickly turn the page to wanting to see,
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: you know, these joint practices, which to me is the
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: highlight of the summer, getting to watch these control atmospheres,
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: the good against good. You know, I know it'll be
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a slog when we get into
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter on Thursday night.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: With some of the backups.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: But this here, today, there's not a moment that that's boring,
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: and you know, really looks like there's a you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: good crowd already turning in away.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Drake May May out in the field, and as Rabel
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: revealed in his press conference, he he most likely will
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: not play in the preseason game, so this is an
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: important practice for him in the offense.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I like what Evan said, you know,
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: be nice to kind of I mean that's what I
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: came out of when I missed that practice. It was like, wow,
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: it feels like today Drake May reminded everybody that he
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: was an MVP runner up last year, and you know, hey,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: look this is a joint practice.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: This isn't the super Bowl or anything like that.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: But it'd be nice to see him have a good day,
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: have a kind of day that you know they can
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: build off of. They can build some confidence, especially with
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: Romeo Dobbs, who you know has really been coming on
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: the last couple of practices. Can they keep that momentum
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: going here, you know against another team to good to see?
• 15:53
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• 15:56
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• 15:59
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• 16:02
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  Speaker 1: Toyota. Let's go to joint practice. We're here, We're here,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: We're here.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got here in our Toyotas. So all right,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: see a little uh backup quarterback action.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: Tommy Tommy cutlet's Tommy too.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Has been good, Yeah, he's been good.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I mean just you know, universal kind of talking to
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: anybody down there that you know, all the beat writers,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: everybody that's been covering this practice has you know, been
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: pretty impressed with the job that Tommy DeVito's done here
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: in his second year with the team, which I mean
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: it was I still remember so crystal clear last year
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: in that final preseason game against the Giants and being like,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: she's Tommy DeVito's carving us up a little bit here,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: and they went out and grabbed him and then season
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: made him, made him the backup.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's made the most of this opportunity for him.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: He's got a live arm. Evan said, he can drive
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the ball. He can drive it.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, I I think he's done
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: a pretty good job, even going all the way back
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: to the spring, just some of the throws that he's
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: made or right up there with some of the better
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: throws we've.
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: Seen in practice.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: But I wonder too, you know, I was mentioning the
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: chemistry with the new guys, how many reps last year
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: in practice to Tommy DeVito and Efton Chisholm and Kyle Williams,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: and like, I'm probably a ton, you know, because those
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: are the reps that guys were getting at that point
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: in practices last year. So you can see the difference,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I think in terms of how much de Vito has
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: probably worked with a lot of those guys on the
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: second team offense versus you know, how much Drake may
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: has worked with these new receivers that are around him
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: right now on the first team offense.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: The second team offense has been fun to watch in practice.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: They've made some big plays, they pushed the ball down
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: the field, But I think some of that might have
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: to do with the fact that he's throwing the guys
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: that were all here last year that he was working.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: With Henry Newly inked a little bit of extra money
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: in his pocket pitching.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: But look at the crowd there, like filling in, Like
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: Mike said that people, you know, people are coming. I
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: think these are their their opportunities to see. I think
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: it's it's more of a controlled you know, you can
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: control the young controllables. You know, you can set up
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: a two minute drill, you can set up down in
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: distance and things that you want. You can set up
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: if you want to dial up a specific blitz that
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: the other team can run at a specific time, see.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: How you handle it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: So I think that's why the coaches like this setting
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: more than the game switch. You know, I kind of
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: told you for a long time somewhat meaningless.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I tell you today, I take some precautions there.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: With Hunter Henry, I just think he's so valuable to
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: this team, and you know, I think it's a work
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: in progress behind him, with Eli Raredin and Tanner Arkin,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: who are getting up to speed. I think they've shown
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: some positive moments, but I still think it's very scary
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: to imagine no Hunter Henry and having to somehow piecemeal
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: it together with Eli Raredin and Tanner Arkin.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I've high.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Hopes for both those guys that down the road they
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: can develop into into a nice kind of one two
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: punch there behind Hunter Henry. But it's hard to imagine
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: what this offense looks like without Hunter Henry, and and
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: and how the chaos that would kind of ensue by
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: not having him in the mix.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Has shown good hands.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Raandon's had a good camp. I just and I
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: know I get craft for this, But the rookie tight
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: end position is one that's slower developing unless you're like
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: a Tyler Warren that was drafted high highly in the
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: first round.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: I pulled the numbers the other day.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: Rookie tight ends last five years that were drafted on
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Day two of the draft averaged twenty six catches a season.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Twenty six. Now there's some outliers, you know, Harold Fannon
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: was an outlier, you know, Mason Taylor with the Jets
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: last year. I think I had around forty, but it was
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: on like you know, Paul's things like nine yards of.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Catch, right, so he's catching a buck.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Terrible team, Yeah, a bunch of checkdowns and dump offs,
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: you know, things like that. But for the most part,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: that position is year one is kind of a feeling
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: out process because of how you know, heavy of a
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: mental burden is on that spot. So I think Eli
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Riordan has shown that he's going to have a role,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: and Tanner Arkins shown that he's going to have a role.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: I would just caution.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Against thinking that he's gonna have some like Gronk like
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: rookie year where he's putting up massive numbers right out
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: of the gate.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: No, but I think I.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Think I don't want people to be disappointed because I
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: think we're hyping him a lot in these practices.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Are we hyping him a lot? Yeah? I think so.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: I think that he's getting a lot of hype, and
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I think that something who's doing the hyping everybody?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? I don't know. I haven't, honestly,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't really.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I've heard that he's, like you said, he's had a
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: good camp, But I haven't heard people saying, oh, he's
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: going to be you know, you know, nipping at the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: heels to be the number one tight end.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything like that of you. No.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I but I think that we're hearing that he's having
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: a good camp. But people hear that he's having a
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: good camp, they think that he's going to have fifty catches.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: And I'm just trying to tell you that that would
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: be an outlier season for a tight end drafted in
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: the third as.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: A run I'd be happy if he becomes a viable
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: option when needed.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's it. That's it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Just just just be just be reliable when called a.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Little red zone, little you know, little third down package form.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: I think you're looking for the explosive plays from him,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Like Hunter Henry is going to move the chains. Hunter
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Henry is going to be a consistent, you know, security
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: blanket for Drake May. Eli Ardin's thing in college at
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame is that he averaged over sixteen yards of catch.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: He had eight plays of twenty plus yards last year
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: at Notre Dame. That's not Hunter Henry's game anymore at
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: thirty one years old, you know, getting down the field,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: getting up the seams, things like that. So can eli
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: riard and add that to the offense, can he can
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: we call him takeoff routes right and running the seams.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: You're running crossers, you know, things like that where he's
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: just winning foot races across the field at twenty twenty
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: five catches. Can he average fourteen yards a catch and
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: be one of those types of guys. It might not
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: be high volume, but it's something that they can get
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: some chunk plays out of.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, after watching Devon ASIASI and Don'ton definitely looks
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: better than the Sorry did I say, did I say
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Dalton Kincaid was Dalton? We had a different Dalton I believe,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: but no, yeah, Dalton Kilton Keene.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, those those guys were quiet. Didn't see
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: a lot of this kind of potentially you've seen from Meriden.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: But you know, I just think it's uh, it's like
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of these guys. I think getting up to
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: speed in the offense and being able to play fast
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: and you know, be consistent, those are the biggest things
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: for those rookies earning the trust. And I mean I
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: like what you're saying. I think there's a spot for
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: those guys, and most likely in Tanna Arkan when eighty
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: four comes on the field is probably going to be
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: a run most likely, but maybe they can eventually get
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: away from that kind of overly specialize. This guy's out here,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: it's a past. This guy's out here, it's a run.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: But you gotta love this the size and the athleticism
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: that that Rariden has out there.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: We just saw Milton Williams coming up the center of
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that defensive line.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: See a captain candidate you think this year?
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: Sure? Yeah, I think so.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: You know they he's, in my opinion, you know, one
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: of their best players, if not the best that they
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: had last year. I mean it's between him, Drake and
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Gonzales for that. And I think that for him though,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: what I always stands out to me is how much
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: energy he plays with, Like he plays with a real motor.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: That I think is exactly what Mike Rabel is all about.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Like that's what he wants out of players, That's what
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: he wants as like an example.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: So if you're trying to think about.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Captains, and I would say that that's sort of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: type of guy that would be a captain material to
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Mike Rabels, you know him, Robert Splaine, like guys that
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: just play all out all the time.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I like the two of Williams. He's not really a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: raw rock guy.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: He's just a straight faced ball guy that loves football
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: and you know, super serious.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Lets his play to in the talking. But what a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: slam dunk signing.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, you knew it was a slam dunk signing
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: when they signed it, but when you realize how they
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: want to play and what they want to do, it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: even more of it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I loved last year.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: It was during the or beginning of the playoffs, somewhere
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: around that time in fortune Foxborough postgame locker room scene
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and Rabel's talking and he said something like, you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: listen to me or something, and they they cut to
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Milton Williams and Milton who says, I'm listening, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: like it just made me feel good, like he had
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: totally bought into this program. Yeah, he was a very
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: high priced free agent, and there were questions when he
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: came in because he hadn't had that many snaps per
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: game that he was expected to have here, and so
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: there were questions about, you know, his durability and how
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: he would do, and he was consistent throughout the whole season.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I think that was probably one of the best free
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: agent signings the Patrons have made in a long time.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, So I had questions about him playing
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: the run playing a full time player, and he's been
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: exceptional in both against the run end the past.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, such a.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Physical player for a guy that's not very big for
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: that position. And I know, you know, he's big for
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: everybody else, but you know, he plays at like three
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: oh five maybe, and like that's not huge for defensive linemen,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: and he plays with so much power power, his.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Hands are fast leverage.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed Barmore is not going to be
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: out there today with him, because I think when they're
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: both healthy, that that's the strength of this team. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that interior.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Line, I mean, I'm probably forgetting one.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: But you know the second week in Miami that that
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: big sack to you know, basically, I think it what
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: ended the game. And then against the Chargers, big sack
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: at the end, they really you know, being that closer.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's you know, some guys.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Can can play well, but you can step up in
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: those big moments, especially, you know, I look at that
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: game in Miami, which I think rab Will you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: pointed out too is just being impressed that his team
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: was able to bounce back and pull out a win.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Last year on the road in a really really hard
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: place to play. I mean, we all know Patriots record
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: down there in Miami and how how hard it can
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: be to get wins down there. But that to me,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Milt Williams stepping up in those big moments, making those
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: big plays, that's just you know, that's like the cherry
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: on top. And not all only is he great player,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: but he's he's making game changing plays at the end.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels and Mike Rabel going over last minute plans,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: but as Rabel said in his press conference today, it's
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: all mapped out. Yeah, they they've scripted this whole thing,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure that both teams have shared their scripts.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, not the plays themselves, but yeah, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: we're gonna in this period, this is what we're gonna do.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've seen enough of these now that they're
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: all kind of the same. You know exactly what you're
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: gonna expect. They're going to be some stretching, you're going
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: to walk through some stuff of what you want to do.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Then you're going right into one on ones, you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and then after one on ones, you're gonna have a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: middle team period.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have some red zone periods, and you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: like I said, that two minute drill at the end is.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Usually the most fun. But you know, I go back
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to Evan.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: We were in Vegas after we hiked our way through
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: the desert to find an in and out.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: The next day we were recovering.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: But you know, that was a good That was a
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: good performance by Mac Jones and the Patriots offense.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I remember they you know, had a big touchdown at
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the end of the two minutes drill. It was probably
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: maybe the high point.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: What wasn't a good practice.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: The whole thing was terrible, and then they have a
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: good two minute drive at the end and they score
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: a touchdown and you're like, all right, maybe it's not
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: quite as bad as we think it's going to be.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: But guess what it was that way to bring it down.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: Well, sorry, but you know it's just you give me that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: He makes it sound like it was exciting. That was
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: the most exciting thing. That whole story was the in
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: and out trip.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a long while.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we were like we can walk it and it's
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: like one hundred and twenty degrees in the you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Vegas desert, and we overestimated our abilities.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Podcasts at pagries dot com is the way to email
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: US football. Flynn Rights in a big fan of Land Larison,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: wondering if you guys had some predictions about if he'll
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: make the roster.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: I think that him and Terrell Jennings right now are
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: probably the most likely to win the third running back spot.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: But I think that spot in particular, you know, maybe
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: not so much with the other positions, but preseason games
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: where you're actually tackled guys to the ground, I think
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: is maybe a little bit more important at running back.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: It's it's hard to evaluate that position in practice because
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: you're not evaluating tackle breaking and how they finish runs
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: and things like that. So it's harder to evaluate maybe
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: one of those undrafted rookies Miller or or I guess
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: he's a seventh round pick, Miles Montgomery, the undrafted rookie.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: They maybe they make a push.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: In the preseason games and that makes the coaching staff
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: take a longer look at them in practice. But right
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: now we've seen a lot of Terrell Jennings and Lynn
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: theirs and with the second.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Team, Yeah, Terrell Jennings like right in the mix, Like
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: after he got back in it Paul A couple of summers ago,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: we were we were kind of on a team Terrell Jennings.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I felt like we kind of left, you know, we
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: saw some glimpses of him. I always kind of like him,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Like he got back out here, and I'm always geez,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: he's got pretty good size.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: He runs kind of hard. Yeah, for an extra running back.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: He does like he's not flashy, he's just sort of
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: straight ahead, straightforward.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: H you know, he runs hard. You know, at some point.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: He's got to show some consistency and he's got to
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: stay healthy. So those are the things that have really
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: held him back a little bit.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Is I think he's.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: Had some concussion issues, and obviously those are unfortunate and
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: they need to be taken seriously. But you know, when
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: he's out there, I think as a backup, I think
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: he fills the role fine.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: RB three. Yeah, Yeah, I agree with Evan.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think you have to go out of
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: your way to save that roster spot. You might be
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: able to manipulate the practice squad rules a little bit
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: with that, but I have no problems with general.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: A little scan of the field's house here.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd see the two to Evan's point, there's not
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: a lot. You know, the preseason can be a little
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: bit tough to watch the times, but I do think
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: the running backs with actual tackling, that's you know, one
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: position to watch when you get into the preseason game.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: So you know, who's the guy that left the NFL
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: and rushing a couple of years you know, Ralph Webb.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: It's a lot more than a couple of years ago, now, Ralph,
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: Ralph Webb. It wasn't him.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: It was a guy.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: There's a guy from San Francisco, Well that came here
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: and just ran all over everybody. And I'm not somebody's
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: got to get the someone's got to get the carries
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: in the preseason, Yeah, but get tackled.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying a you know, fourth quarter of the
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: preseason game that I'm gonna put much stock into you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: which undrafted rookie running back is going off. But I
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: don't think that you can get a whole lot out
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: of practice at that position.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Oh totally, totally. You guys are right about that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe, like if you're watching the film back
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: and you're seeing you know that they picked this blitz
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: up and were they in the right gap and like
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: all that. Maybe like you can get into that kind
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: of stuff, But and.
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't dismiss if you've got a situation where like
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: Larison is out there, let's say Thursday night, so it's
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: no Drake May, but Tommy DeVito's out there, and he's
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: got a semblance of the offensive line. So let's say
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: Will Campbell, Jared Wilson and mikel Went who were playing
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: maybe Moses and Barret Tucker. Don't you know when Larsson's
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: out there at the start playing against a semblance of
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: the Colts starters on defense and he shows a little flash,
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: I would say there's something to be gained by that, Yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: as opposed to you know, once the game continues and
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: it's threes against threes, right, My threes are better than
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: your threes. That that's taught me Devido in the Giants
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: game last year.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: That's when the.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Next gen is on the overdrive because they have the
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: players that are on the field and actually tells you
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: in real time who's on the field. And you start
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: to see some of the you know, Sonny's car wash people, Paul.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: Some of us Fred just look look down and we're like, oh, yeah,
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: he's a third stringer, right, Yeah, some of us have
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: to go to next gen to do it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: But you know this is this is where he's studying
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the chief step chart.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: Good Paul, Sorry, sorry for doing my job. I'll see
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: myself up.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Well, there's different ways to do the job, that's all.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: The works smarter, it works, works smarter, not hotter.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Paul and Germany writes in at podcast at Patriots dot Com.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the vibes.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I'd be interested in your opinion, especially now after the
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Henry extension. Who do you think will be extended after
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the twenty sixth season? And he's got a list of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: six Douglas, I think a lot depends on how they
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: do this year, right Booty, I don't know if he'll
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: be on the team.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Hollins, Yeah, what does that mean? I mean, what is
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that grunt me?
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: I think these are all really interesting conversations they have,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: and I think a lot of it is based on
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: This year.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Pop Douglas has been great in camp.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Paul pointed out he's been great in camp before, but
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I kind of have high hopes for
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: him and could see maybe him earning an extension perhaps.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: So I have a little update off the Twitter machine.
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: You know, we're up here. We're trying to do our
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: best to see who's here. Some of the Patriots writers
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: are reporting right now that they have not seen Christian
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Gonzales yet, which I think is an interesting subplot to
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: this Kumbai yo the last two and a half weeks, Well, do.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: You think the fact that Pierce isn't here?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Like I said, no, but Sarah's like like, why yeah,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Like what am I really going to gain from today?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I could get hurt because you know, we're going against
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: another team and it might be a little bit more
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: intense than when I'm going against my teammates.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: The last part true to drive out Why risk it?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I mean I said to Paul yesterday we didn't spot
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez off the bat, and I said, every day
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of holding my breath to see. At what
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: point does he say, Okay, I think I'm kind of
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: ready for the season, and now I'm gonna you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: close it down. Possible it's today, but we'll see he's.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Insign signing the contract right now and then we'll be
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: That absolutely could be the case, and That's why I
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: don't draw a lot of conclusions.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I just state the facts.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: Mark Daniels tweeted out that absent Christian Gonzales, Mike Brown,
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: veteran safety Julian Ashby, and Kyle Dixon, those are the
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: four guys that he hadn't spotted.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So I'm just stating that off the tweet. I'm not
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: saying why balis.
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: But Mike and I did have this conversation yesterday because
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: Gonzo was a little late coming out for him yesterday.
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: He's usually sort of middle of a pack with those
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: defensive backs, and he was very late arriving, and Mike
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: and I sort of started wondering, Huh, he's sent in.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: The stage to not practice, and so I would just
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: say this really quickly, and I because I have to
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: put con He did get banged up on that plays
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: a little bit with Romeo Dobbs at the end of practice,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: and I watched him go up and down the sideline
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: try I think it was his ankle, maybe turned an ankle,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: and he was trying to walk it off.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: And you know, obviously I.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Know all all of Paul's shows in the headlines are
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: going to be is this contract related? Which it very
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: well could be, but I think that there was an
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: instance yesterday where he did look like he got a
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: little bit banged up. And it was at the very
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: very end of practice when Romeo Dobbs made that catch
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: in the back of the end zone. They both went
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: up and when Gonzo came down, he looked like maybe
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: he banged up his ankle or his leg or something.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: So maybe that's also just you know, precautionary in all directions, right,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Like you're a little banged up, you know, without a contract,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: you also don't want to go out there.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And let's not forget the Patriots have too joined practices
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: next week with the Eagles, so we may not see
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Gonzales for a little while.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well we'll see, I mean this weekend they'll
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: have some practices too, so we'll get, you know, a
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: little glimpse in between the two. But yeah, I mean,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Calton Davis back yesterday, but I don't know if he's
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: going to be, you know, participating right out of the
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: shoot after being missing some time. I think was what
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: was maybe a hamstring. I think that was what we're speculating.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: So it's gonna be worked for the for the younger guys.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Nothing on Charles Woods, Paul, Sorry, I meant a missed it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: He's back, but I expect him to be limited the way,
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: you know, far more. And you know, I would assume
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: Davis won't do anything with the Colts too.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think Josh Downs is here.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Ev Is that right?
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: So they said they said that Josh Downs was if
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: you can be questionable for a joint practice, then Josh
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Downs was questionable for the joint practice. So I'm not
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure. But he was also banged up.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Al Pierce hasn't practiced all summer. He had surgery in
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: March and hasn't practice at all. But the stiking sounded
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: like cautiously optimistic that maybe Downs would participate now.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: And he was Drake's like go to guy, right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, his true sophomore year at North Carolina, Josh
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Downs was his number one receiver and probably their best
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: overall player on that team.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: Uh, young Drake.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I remember watching Josh Downs at North Carolina for that
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: draft and uh texting Bart and being like, who's the quarterback?
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: They?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: How do we get?
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: And we at the time because where you know, uh
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: dumb thought there was no well there's no chance they're
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: going to be picking that high, right, so so you
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: know we're not going to get the motor back. But
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: that was Drake May's best season in college was his
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: sophomore season at UNC, and and Downs was his.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: Go to guy.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Uh. Tom writes in he wants to know, should fans
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: be excited about the expectations of A. J.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Brown and Romeo Dobbs?
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you sure, it's you know, it's a pretty
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: good uh. I still still think there's a ways to
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: go with everything that that they can accomplish. But the
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: good sign has been Dobbs coming on in these last
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: couple of practices is and then of course having that
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: big catch yesterday over Gonzales.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: So really positive signs.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, if those two guys can develop into a
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: complimentary pair where their skill sets match each other and
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: help each other get open, and you know, also help
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: a guy like Pop Douglas maybe get some extra space,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: especially downfield, I mean that's uh, you know, they could
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: really be cooking with something with those three guys. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: you know, going back to your question Fred about who
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: should they resign, it's it's kind of an opportunity to rejigger.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, how does Kyle Williams look this year? Kyle
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Williams has a really good year, you know, are you
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: less inclined?
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: You know? Matt Collins, I don't know.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: He's always seems like such a special kind of a
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: guy that they like to do a special kind of
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: a thing. He's bounced around the league, he's had his
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: two years here. Do they kind of say okay, let's
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: let's move.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: On, or do they love special contract? Yeah?
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I think there's some decisions to make
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: and a lot of it is dependent on how this
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: year goes for guys, especially like you know, if Pop
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Douglas has a huge year this year, I could see
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: them definitely trying to check keep him around. Yeah, but
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: you got Drake too, and that's the big piece and
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: you got to figure that out first and then you can.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Probably get to these other guys.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, so much, you know, for these guys depends
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: on what they do this year. And you know, if
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas has a great year, yeah, i'd give him
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit of an extension. But like you said,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: you got a factor in Drake. Yeah, that's gonna be
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: a huge, huge contract.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, if Dobbs, I mean, Dobb's
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: here on a four year deal, so he's you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: we know Brown will probably be somewhere year to year.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: But that's a good place to start.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: If you got Brown and Dobbs and Kyle Williams comes on,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: and you got those three guys, and you know, maybe
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Raridan starts to come on a little bit, Chizz Threat
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: and chis him. You know, it's it's a good starting
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: three and you've got some depth then at tight end that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: You're starting to develop a little bit.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: So I think they'd been in pretty good shape.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Logan and Myrtle Beach saw an unofficial depth chart on
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Twitter early and was wondering if there's any surprises on there, Well,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: we have we don't know what depth chart you're talking about,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: So how do we know if there's any surprises to us?
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: Well, I know what depth chart he's talking about, but
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: it does. It's called the unofficial depth chart for a
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: reason because it has no who publishes it. The pr
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Patriots pr oh.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: The one on Patriots dot com.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, now, because it's a game week, it's kind
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: of it's out, like unofficially out.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So it's it's the one on Patriots dot com that
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: somebody put on Twitter.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is that what you're saying, correct? Okay? I mean yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: there's no surprises there. I mean I would say it's
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: not really going through football.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: So unless it's somebody else's depth chart, I don't know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I don't honestly, I don't know which one.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: You know that's what he's talking about.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, if it's the Patriots dot com one, Uh, it's
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: more from people like us in content than it is
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: uh in people at football, So I would take everything
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: with a grainsalt.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unofficial for a reason. Yeah, you know.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I was going over other teams depth charts on their
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: official websites, and a lot of teams don't even it
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in the faux roster of.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Their depth chart. The cults are one, yeah, culture.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: I was scrambling last week trying to get the information
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: for the magazine and I wanted to see if I
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: could steal one off the website, and they probably only
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: had about twenty five names on it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I think they only they don't.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Put any rookies or anybody that's new to the team
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: right is even on it.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: That's why I've.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: Tried our Lands, but it doesn't translate to the program
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: that we need our our land.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: You have to hour No, it's our last our lads.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: They're not yours, they're not mine, they're ours, but our
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: is a r e.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: This is our lads.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, uh, you know, one more guy, one more guy,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: one more guy, more guy on more got to be
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: excited and smiled about what do you got, Mike? You know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: even your friend Mike Giardi Paul is excited about this guy.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Aj Halsey, rookie safety number twenty five, really liked him.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Super physical guy.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: She already had a tweet about him, like watched him.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Oh my lord, h he's a guy. We'd be careful
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: cross in the middle with him today even though they're
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: not they're not tackling me. He's a really physical guy.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you really fit the Patriots system,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: but he was like you know when you watch somebody
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: and you're like, this guy plays with his hair on
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: fire and just tough SB And that's that's Aj Halsey, old.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: School box safety. Yeah, you know, like he's camp chancellor,
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: you know like that. I wonder how he runs, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Like that was one thing that I was a little
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: bit worried about if you're gonna play him in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: deep part of the field, if you're gonna have him
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: cover tight ends, like was he gonna be able to
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: to keep up in those foot races?
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: But he can hit, man, he definitely can.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: So we're watching the Patriots stretch out a little stretching
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: out before they do this before every practice. And while
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: we're watching this, uh just want to ask, did you
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: guys catch Adam Viniti's speech at in Canton?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: He did? I did? Yeah?
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Making some shots yeah, Bill, But now just really cool
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: to see Adam vinentery finally, finally, I mean, what you
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: have to wait one year?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, I just I've been working on a
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: project for.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Ninety six and man, it was a bumpy start for
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Adam Vanitaria. I mean there's by like the third game,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: you got Jerry Glanville on the radio call saying, if
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: he misses this kick, they got to go find a
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: new kicker, you know. I mean that's how tenuous it
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: was for Adam Vanitaria right from the get going.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: So Paul was that the year. It might have been
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: ninety seven.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Parcells was the coach, so it had to be ninety
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: six where he in Kansas City. He clanked it off
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the goalpost, and then Parcells didn't come out for the press,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the media.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: A whole different year in ninety five. Parcells didn't come
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: out for the press in Kansas City.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Vnitaria didn't become a Patriot until ninety six. He missed
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: the kick in Kansas City.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Kansas City off the upright. Pete Carroll ninety nine, my
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: first year.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Okay, may know anything else you want to know, sixteen
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: to fourteen loss in that Kansas City. Ya, I got
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: one more for you part Drew drove inside the ten
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: and lost. Because that's what Drew did. He just somehow
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: found a way that you know, the the greatest kicker
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: in the history of kicking, missed a thirty two yard
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: field goal that would have won the game after like
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: a seventy yard drive long pass to Sean Jefferson got
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: him down inside the ten, would have made four and zero,
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: and then that kind of started things.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Going the other way. Yeah, got a Paul, Paul, what
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: was the game? Shoot?
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: We were just I just watched in ninety six of
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: the TNT night game that they that they.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Pulled out Buffalo, Buffalo.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: You know what was crazy to me about that game
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: was that Troy Brown had one catch coming into that game,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden at the end, with
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: the game on the line, here's Troy Brown with like
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: three catches out of nowhere, and they're like, where's this
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: guy been all year?
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Kind of an.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Interesting start for Toroy Brown there. It was another kind
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: of thing that stood out to me.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Troy Brown was cut twice in his first year by Parcels.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: And was he a rookie in ninety six?
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: No, ninety five, So he's been around.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I think he was rookie in ninety three. Yeah he was.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh man, it was part I think it was
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Parcell's first.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: He's another like Edelman kind of think it was an
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: eight round pick in ninety three. Water treaded water for.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: A couple of seasons until he was able to build
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: up Patriots Hall of Fame career.
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: Now, like at the time, you know, Terry Glean comes in.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: They had Sean Jefferson, they had Ben Coates. Vincent Brisbee
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: was a pretty productive guy for them. Frisbee, you know
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: heading into ninety six. He pulled a hamstring in ninety
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: six and barely played the whole year. And they also,
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: you know, Drew through a ton of passes to like
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: Leroy Thompson later Keith Byers, So they had a lot
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: of pass catches at the time. And you know, Troy
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: took a little while to sort of harve out a
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: niche yep, and once he did, I mean, Drew loved
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: him from the start. He wanted to keep him when
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: he was a rookie. He thought the guy had had
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: a lot of potential in ninety.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Three, that's what sitt out to me.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: And the catches in ninety six, that's what you told
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: me right right when you o over over some double
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: back wine.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Keith Byers h back, yeah, remember that. Ye.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Another crazy part of that with ninety six season was
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: him getting cut.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Keith Byer's getting cut by Miami Patriots. Bring him in
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: like second Amy's theory had like seven catches, you know.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: All over the place.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: But here's a valuable guy for a short period of
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: time in his career, and he did some good stuff
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: for him.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Aiden in California. I know why Paul likes the Bill
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: City uniforms. The reason is because of the same colors
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: as the diet PEPSI.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I didn't know what I was
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: stepping into it. Believe me, I heard about it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: People are appalled, like worse uniforms of all time. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: don't know which is completely, which is complete, like.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Grown men with their uniform fetishes. It's unbelieving one way, right, Oh,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I know, I know the two of them.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: I'm not you know, I like style. No, that's that's
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: more fashion. That's barth slant on catch twenty two. You
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: tell me what face masks you know so and so
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: is wearing.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: That's a funny joke. Though they do look like die
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I can see that. What's wrong with that? It feels
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: like the Homer Simpson thing were good color cod color combination.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: You hear that. I think the Simpsons might be coming
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to an energy had that. Oh no, really.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Talking to the team, telling them what's going to be
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: critical today?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: No fighting? Do you think he knows he says that
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the way says it. I think you're talking enough.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: You all got your own uh cadences and millionaires.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just I'm flashing back to some joint.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Practice memories and uh you know, of course the fight
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: here against the Panthers and Dietrich Wise of all people
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: like went went ham.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: But I think one of my favorite memories joint practice,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: the memories when we were in Green Bay and we
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: were the Patriots were warming up on one field separated
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: from the Packers.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Movie.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like quiet. You know, it's almost like it
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: is right now where the Colts are down on the
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Patriots quiet practice field, and then there are at it's
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: time and we walked through their field house.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And it's like you're walking into thunder.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Just the fans are screaming the music and they're just
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: they got there starting eleven on offense on one field,
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: they got their starting eleven defense and it was just
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: like right into it. It Uh, just such a really
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: cool moment, great energy, and then you know she's that
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: practice too. That was one where it was like every
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: other play the second day there was a fight.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, that was that was like, that was really cool.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, then you go to a city like that
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: at Green Bay where football is literally everything there at
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: the Packers And so was that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: The year the game actually got shortened? Yes, yeah, I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: supposed to go to Tennessee after that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: No, it was an Isaiah Bolden concussion. Yeah, but at
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: the end of the very very end of the game.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: He got hit pretty badly and and they called the game.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: And then Bill said we're going home.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Went to Tennessee.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I was had because I was supposed to. I flew
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: back to Boston back to Tennessee forget it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So that was.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: That was a good two days though, And it was
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: back and forth, and even then Mac Jones made some
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: plays and yeah, taekwon, right, taekwond got when taekwon got her. Yeah,
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: DeVante Parker on Russell Douglas down the left sideline.
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: Oh see the defensive and DeVante Parker. It's amazing it
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: didn't work out.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: We've come a long way, PAULI defensive bats warming up here.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And as we said earlier, no Christian Gonzales on the field.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: But there's Carlton Davis at number seven.
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: It'd be interesting to see if he comes out at all.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, I I would be lying if
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: I if I would say I was really surprised, just
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: based on a conversation yesterday, man, Yeah, sure, just.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Kind of one certain point. I more wonder if if
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: maybe he's signing a contract.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: What happened at the end of practice yesterday It's one
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: thing to practice when your body is feeling one hundred
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: percent healthy, but then the second.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: That there's like a little bit of a scare.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that you know, not to not to yeah,
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: not to make a comparison, but like Jason Tatum in
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Game seven last year, like as soon as the Celtics
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: were like, oh there, no, you're not playing in this game,
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: And I wonder for Gonzales if it was something similar.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: To I you know, I don't think it wasn't a
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: contract issue. But when Moss came here the first year
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: training camp, he was out there for like two practices.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I think he might have tweaked his hamstring a little bit.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: We never saw him again. I'm good, you know that
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: was it? I mean, just what did last year?
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: You know, Mike Crable has been pretty upfront with the
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: media about participation in those kind of things.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Uh do you think perhaps if.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: It was an injury, he might have said, you know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: god's a little I mean, or I'm just speculating here.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Might you expect him to cut that off at the
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: pass and say it twasn't and.
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: John if no one asked him, because then you know, well,
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: why is it you know, why was he so quick
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: to say that, right?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, right, you do the dance consistent.
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: I just know that this.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Will get run with for obvious reasons about the contract,
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: and I I think it might be a little bit
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: of call a, a little bit of Colum B. You know, yeah,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: because when I saw him yesterday limping around and trying
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: to stretch out because you're talking, I was like, uh oh,
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: that's not great, and you know, you kind of make
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: notes of those things. And then he's not out here today.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: So yep, also filling up. Man, if you're a rookie,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: maybe you play through it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: But at his you know, tenure in situation, I think,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I think, you know, from an agent and
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: from a player standpoint, it's a wise move.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: And that's why I think Yev says, and I think
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: he's right to say, is a little column A and
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: col Um B. If he had signed the contract like
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: last year and this was like the second year of
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: the deal, is maybe yet, Okay, I can be out there,
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: but yeah, I'm not feeling great and I'm trying to
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: get the contract. I need to put my best work
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: on tape.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll dial it.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Back, not today, coach not today, David Bethlehem.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Can Ardan block and can ar can catch?
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: That's the number one question. I think Ardan can block
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I don't think he's a nothing blocker,
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: and he wasn't at Notre Dame. Maybe a little bit inconsistent,
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: but I thought some of his good run blocking was good,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: So I I think that there's a little bit there.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Ark.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to catch very many plasses,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: like end the career, Dwayne Allen is like what he
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: feels like to me, Like if they forget to cover
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: him in the flat or something like that, Like he's
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: going to get a throw here and there, you know,
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: play action and they sell out and they get they
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: get him to bite badly on a play action fake,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: you know, something like that.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: So there's a Christian Barmore. He's off on his own
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: doing some one on one work. So you know, he
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: looks okay. So we don't know what his injury was,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: but it's enough where he's not going to be doing
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: any team stuff yet it looks like yeah, yeah.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I mean can sign he's back.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I mean I think he's only miss two or three practices,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't it doesn't been anything crazy, but you know,
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: it's just it's nice to see that we're beyond the
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: heart palpitations. You know, the blood clots thing.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Well that's the thing that's the first thing to think
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: of when he's not out there.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: But the fact that he's out there in pads, you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: doing someone on one stuff, that's a good sign.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's see.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Chris in Clemson, South Carolina writes in before my questions,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I must give the crew some well deserved criticism.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Ready, Paul, get your thick skin on. I don't have
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: any other kind.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Fred reminds me of that adduled old uncle wearing socks
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: on his hands, asking everyone if they've seen his sandals,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and somehow still ending up running the meeting.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: You like that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Paul seems to have a rare talent for speaking at
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: length without disturbing the facts, while simultaneously arguing with absolutely
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: everyone over the most mundane point imaginable that Mike is
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: a master persuader of the completely obvious, whose greatest contribution
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: is his unwavering commitment to the occasional half witted comment.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: It's a talent, really half witted.
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: These are pretty brutal. I'm not gonna lie.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I genuinely admire how you never let opinions interfere with
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the facts. Seriously, I wish you guys had more opportunities
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: to ride useful commentary giving your access to the players
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: and coaches, so nothing.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: We give is useful. Sorry, sorry to disappoint you if
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you're not watching now. Question one, I don't know. I
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: supposed to pay second skin on what happened, but he
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: wants to ask us.
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: Questions right now. I thought our opinions were useless.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I uh, if the Patron's offensive line looks solid
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: against a normal four man front, but rush, I should say,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: but is inconsistent picking up Blitzer? Should we be concerned
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: that opponents will figure out they can pressure May, force
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: checkdowns and take away the deep ball threat?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Aj Brown gives us.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: At what point does that go from something they'll clean
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: up to a legitimate weakness.
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: Did you watch the Super Bowl?
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: Because that's exactly what happened right in the Super Bowl.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: That's the number one question I have with Drake May
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: going into his third season. To me and I know
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: you know we can argue about it, but that that's
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: not an offensive line issue. That is a that is
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: a protections i Q quarterback at the line of scrimmage
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: type of issue. You know, how are we going to
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: block this if we don't have enough guys to block
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: it and we're hot?
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: Where is my answer? Where is my hot?
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: Some of that is play design a couple of terms
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: of that as well, but that's it. That's the number
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: one question because they're going to keep blitzing until they
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: can prove that they can stop.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Any how many free runners you're see in training camp.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: Too many, Mike and I It bothers me every single
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: time I see one, because I'm like, is this what
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Seattle did and exposed it? Shouldn't we take all off
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: season to work on this? So that definitely remains a
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: work in progress.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: The Marcus Jones delayed blitz Craig.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Woodson just right in the B gap. It's like Devin
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: Witherspoon flashbacks on my head.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: The second question that Chris had with the Colts joint practice,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: how much should we judge the Patriots by how they
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: win rather than simply weather they win. If May handles pressure,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: the old line communicates well Brown wins against coverage and
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: the defense generates four man pressure.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: That's encouraging.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: But if we don't see those things today, how does
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: that reframe the question when we get to the Eagles,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: At what point do we stop saying it's just camp
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: and start calling it a real weakness that good teams
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: will attack. Well, I think I think yes, the context matters.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: You know, completing a pass isn't always good if May
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: has to run around in order to do it. Yes,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: we know he can extend plays, but you like to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: see the play executed as it was drawn up. And
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: if he's running around because there's pressure, that's not necessarily a.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Win if he completes the pass. You know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Conversely, if Daniel Jones does the same thing, but Milton
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Williams is in the backfield, then you look at it
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: the same way. So yeah, you have to look at
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: everything you see in context.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe like a little over complicating it. I
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: would say, like it's just practice. Like I'm not probably
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: not going to like hold too much against them, unless
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: it's like that Eagles during practice a couple of years ago,
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: or they get their butts kicked, I'm probably not gonna
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: be off.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: The season's over. They lost the cold.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: That was real.
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: That's what he's saying, unless it's something like that, it's
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: just so apparent that there's one team playing NFL ball
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: and the other teams.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: So let's look at some of these one on ones
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: that have gone Just saw Milton Williams. What do we
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: have here, Corey Dirton there, Yeah, going against little.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Drake May back to the one on one.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: That's it Farmer Farmer against Matt gun Cos. Yeah, we
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: call these the mono amano. These are some of the
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: more interesting things to watch in camp, whether it's joint
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: or when the Patriots are amongst themselves, because it truly
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: is a one on one battle and it gives you
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a good indication of who's doing what on the pass rush.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's be tough drill.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, crowd's going a wild for some of the
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: one on ones over there, which Evan is charting for
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: us and give us an update.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is the stuff.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: I feel like that it's good for the players individually,
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: but for fans, you know, overreacting especially nothing to get
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: more overreaction than one on ones in practice.
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: I mean the first look at officials. By the way,
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: just spotted one of the stripes I want to ge
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: down and you want to go out right right, maybe later,
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: but just an impossible drill for the cornerbacks.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. A lot of passes get completed.
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: And I also think it's you know, the one on ones,
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: even with the linemen are very misleading. Like you saw
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: Draymond Jones do this dramatic slant to the inside.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Well, there's other guys there right.
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: In a real game, Like, there's not a clean path
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: to go, like parallel to the line of scrimmage to
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: run around the.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Tackle, right.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if you're not completing ninety percent of these,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: and we just saw the Patriots miss two in a row.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: It's not good. I mean I just felt like it
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: took uh, yeah, the receiver has a big advantage.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it took Eli a wilde to.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Keep going on that one.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: I would say that wide receiver one on ones have
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: zero value. I don't really know why they do them.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: I think that they're useless. Like you have help defenders,
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: you have a pass rush, there's a million other factors
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: that go into a play that doesn't account for.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: But people love them. People, people eat them up.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: They absolutely love them, at least the one on ones
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: with the offensive and defensive lineman is a little bit
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: more game like I would say, but.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: It is good like for the it's it's good for technique.
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: It's the you know, you get you're running your routes
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  Speaker 7: and you want to make sure that you're you're sharp
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  Speaker 7: in your routes with somebody covering you that doesn't know
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  Speaker 7: what route you're going to be running.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's what it is. We're watching U beat
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  Speaker 1: with a little spit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, left tackle the ninety one.
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  Speaker 6: That's root pick reptich.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I had Will Campbell two and zero in his reps.
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  Speaker 5: He looked pretty good. Vera Tucker beat to Forrest Buckner
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  Speaker 5: both times as well. He looked pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: That's good too. Ben Brown looking decent there, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 5: Uh Lomu lost his first one there against ninety one
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  Speaker 5: and then James Hudson on James Hudson skates.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So the James Hudson thing to me like he's been
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  Speaker 7: at guard now for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I think they're priming him for just a versatile backup
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  Speaker 7: role where he can play four spots.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's after Kate Wallace was traded.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's happened more and more of these days when
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  Speaker 4: they get you get a report in the morning that
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: the guy's gonna get released.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden it becomes a trade
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  Speaker 1: in the afternoon fall start there on. Rupstich has a
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  Speaker 1: better rep.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like with Lomu to me that the high
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  Speaker 5: side spear, the outside speed is not as problematic for him.
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  Speaker 5: He's got good feet and he can run guys by
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback. It's when he oversets and gets those inside
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  Speaker 5: moves that that's not uncommon.
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  Speaker 1: Like sounds familiar.
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  Speaker 5: Will Campbell struggle with that a lot last year too
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: in rookie Minnie Camp, rookie training camp. So I'm not
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  Speaker 5: totally surprised that that's his issue, because you know it's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: a young lineman. But those are to me, the more glaring,
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  Speaker 5: decisive losses come to those inside moves from Lomu.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Brown had a good rep there.
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  Speaker 2: There's Hudson again, you know, back to the receivers, Pat
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  Speaker 2: and Whitesburro New York rites in.
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  Speaker 1: Like Evan to clarify something a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: He made it take the other day that keeping Booty
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: would be beneficial because Dobbs is still a small sea concern.
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  Speaker 2: But it was my understanding that they were trying to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: get Dobbs into that digs role and with Booty primarily
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: only playing X in the NFL, has Booty been getting
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: some reps inside where he could back up Dobbs or
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: would that mean AJ Brown would go inside and Booty
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: would go outside?
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  Speaker 6: I think either one.
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  Speaker 5: But I look at you know, Dobbs and Brown right
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: now as your base receivers. You know, those are the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: guys that are your your base receivers and whatever formations
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: you're in, whether you're in a two tight ends said
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: a twenty one personnel with the full back, you know,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: those are your base guys. And you know, I think Booty,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: whether he's playing X Z wherever, I think he could
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: be a base receiver in their offense. So it's just
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: a little bit either way, whether it's you know, a J.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: Brown injury insurance, Dobbs insurance and if that doesn't pan
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: out the way we hope it does. Like either way,
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  Speaker 5: I think Booty is insurance for that kind of role.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Is rare it in with a catch, like to see
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: that ball out in front of him a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, these are these are tough as there's so much
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: going on yeah. Uh.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Nick Dejenaro got gotta hold on to that. Twenty three.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the couple updates.
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  Speaker 5: I had Lomu one on one, he won the second rep,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: lost the first one. Marcus Bryant all so one and one.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: So those two guys, I don't know how to feel
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: about that, but it does feel like those two guys
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: are in a little bit of a competition right now
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  Speaker 5: for that third tackle spot. I think you would probably
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: say that there's any if it's close at all, it's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: probably gonna go to Loomu as a as a first
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: round pick. But we've seen Marcus Bryant get more of
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: the work at right tackle lately.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas having a good camp.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I I mean I if Pop Douglas can't win
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: a route when there's one on ones, then right's in trouble.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it was a good catch too, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I just I see it a little bit as a positive,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: and I know the future is probably Lomu.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, Marcus Bryant was here for a year,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: he was a seventh round pick. He's had some development.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: I just you know, it shows that he improved, that
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: they have some confidence in him, and that you know,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: it's not another late Day three.
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  Speaker 1: Pick that's just a total throwaway.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: It's a guy that has some value to them and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: that you know, there's continuing to find out how good
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: he can be, and especially the tackle position.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: You can never have too many of those guys. All right, Well,
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• 1:03:01
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• 1:03:04
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• 1:03:08
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• 1:03:11
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• 1:03:14
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• 1:03:17
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