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Taught to Love Better by a Difficult Mustang with Jimmy Wiseman | Episode 54 · The Touch of a Mustang

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Did you ever doubt yourself throughout the process with him?
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Multiple times, multiple times even now still sometimes, and I
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say, you know, through the process, it's still the process.
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You know, there's now there's Kamar.
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It's it's always a process, but there's been multiple times
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where somebody else could do better with him.
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He deserves more than me. I guess it's for my lack of
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knowledge or my lack of confidence in myself.
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All right? It's never really been him.
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It's I'd hit a wall and I didn't know which direction to go, so I
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just started chipping away at it.
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Finally, I'd get that little crack where I could start
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breaking through there, you know, and that's when I'm kind
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of all right now. Now we're getting somewhere.
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Let's relax, take a step back for a minute.
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Let's look at the picture again, see what we was doing and
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reevaluate again, you know, before we find him a
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breakthrough. There are healers on this planet
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with the power to soften the suffering of mankind, yet they
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have remained in the recesses of the world, abused, discarded and
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labeled as trash. This is the touch of a Mustang.
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I am your host, Shalise Clough, and I'm here to tell the story
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of wild horses, Mustangs, and the humans who are discovering
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and sharing their gifts while working to protect their
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well-being and preserve their spirit so this divine power
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won't be lost. Join us on this quest with the
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Wild Mustang. It's great to have you on here.
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I'm excited to hear more of your story.
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A lot of times I have people who leave comments and I can just
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tell kind of from the comments, like they know, like they know
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about the Mustangs. It's been something that they
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saw. And I think that's, you know,
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what I thought with you as some of the comments she left on
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different stuff online that yeah, you definitely had a story
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to tell. Well, what you want to know?
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Well, let's start at the beginning.
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How did you get involved in horses and then how did you end
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up with a Mustang? So Long story short, I guess for
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lack of better words, is I've always been around horses.
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I wasn't necessarily born into the lifestyle, but I've always
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had access to growing up, you know, I rode and did this and
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that, you know, cowboy stuff, I guess you'd call it.
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And that's how it treated them too.
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But graduated high school, join the military, come home and,
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well, took a whole bunch of roads that wasn't the right one.
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And there's a small little mom and pop farm pretty local to
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hear that they gave me a chance when I probably really didn't
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deserve 1. And it started out just kind of,
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you know, doing maintenance around there and taking care of
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this and that. Well, more and more I got right
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back, drawn back into these horses and, you know, started
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messing with them. And that's been 15 years ago now
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and was there for a long time. And then my better half decided
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she wanted a horse of her own. Well, this guy standing behind
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me here, we found him online at a place probably an hour and a
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half away from here. Went and seen him.
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He was wonderful. I couldn't have asked for a
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better horse for her. He's chill, calm, cool,
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collected. I rode him on, you know, my
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whole little rundown that whenever I go to buy a horse, he
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marked all the boxes. On the plus side, too, he was
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big, he was strong. If I needed to use him to work
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cattle, I couldn't. Well, and then I you know, we
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visit him three or four times several times unexpectedly just
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drop in on the people would be, you know, local because I wanted
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to see if we had it was the same horse every time.
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O and behold, you know he was. But then we ran him home and we
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have a whole different horse. You can't catch him.
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You don't want you touching him. He would buckle in two if you
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were to reach out to him. So something happened between
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the time, you know, the last time I saw him and the time we
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picked him up. Don't know what it was and it
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doesn't matter now, but it has taken me close to two years to
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get him to trust me completely and want to be with people.
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Kind of a back story on this guy.
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So I think he was rounded up as a youngster and he got somewhere
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out West somewhere and there's a big outfitter out there.
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But I know he basically rented the horse out for the summer to,
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you know, different cowboy outfits and this and that.
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So yeah, I know he's been a pack horse.
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I know he's been a, you know, a cowboy and horse.
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So he's been through a lot of hands.
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I put it like that. He wasn't treated very nicely.
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I'll put it like that. His trauma come through and
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well, I was doing things with him I got always knew how to do
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and it wasn't working. So I had to take a step back and
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look at the big picture, not only with him, you know, did I
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mess up. This horse changed my life.
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He changed how I do everything. And I guess with the eye opening
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moment for me was it was probably close to 100° outside
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out here and he was getting ridden that day.
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I was determined. He's gonna get ridden.
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Well, he's in the round pen and we was moving and moving and
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moving and moving and well, he just, he wouldn't let me get on
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him at all. You know, it did not matter what
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I did. I could lunge him both ways.
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I could turn it with circles. It did not matter.
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He could have cared less. He would have died before he
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quit, before I got on him. You know, I'm saying 3 1/2, four
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hours later I'm whooped. You know, I'm ready to fall out.
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I know he's going to be tired and hot because he's the one
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doing a lot of work. So he would keep on going right
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then and there. I was just like all right,
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something has to be done differently.
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So it just everything that I thought I knew, he showed me how
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much I don't know so and the rest is history.
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You know it. He really opened my eyes.
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But now I get 4 pals. Now don't get me wrong, he gets
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to be a feral feral little horse.
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He can be hard to catch sometimes he can.
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He might spook at his own tale. He has his quirk for sure.
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But he has proven his worst to me and made me prove me to
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myself as well. So I'm indebted to him.
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You know like I told you, you want to comment on something.
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He's so free spirited, I will never ever own him.
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Whatever. I'm just his guardian.
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He he's trained, he's not broke. I'll put it like that, you know,
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and then there's a big difference.
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I believe. Like I said, he can be feral.
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You know, there might be times when I need to go to work and
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well, there is no catching him. He's just like, I ain't going
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that day. And even though we're buddies,
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it ain't happening, you know, it don't matter what I do.
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But there's other times like tonight he met me at the gate.
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We still have our fights, but we get over them, we go on.
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I don't know, that's kind of or right now.
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It took me a long time to trust him though, you know, just from
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everything that me and him had to work through.
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Like I said, it's been a long road.
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But once, like I said, two years later, I'm finally starting to
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see his personality. Finally.
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Yeah, it's a long process. A lot of people think it's it's
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an instant thing or a 30 day or a 90 day thing.
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And real relationships take time.
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Yeah, It's just, you know, like us, people like, like good
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things take time. And if you're in this business
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to make money quickly, you just might as well go and get on out,
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you know, because it's not going to happen.
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You have to be patient. And once again, this guy here
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taught me this. I had to be because it is on his
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terms, not mine. As much as I wanted him to be.
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It wasn't happening. You know, he had to trust you
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and you had to earn it and he was going to make yarn so it and
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it's just been a long road man. You know, like I said, it's been
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2 years now and I finally just got his hind feet picked up
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without a fight the other night, the other night for the first
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time. And I know he's had shoes on in
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the past because whenever I bought him he had shoes.
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But I put it this way, he was so scared of somebody grabbing his
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back feet, he would lash out. Not necessarily like haul back
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or anything like that, but he wasn't touching them.
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And when he finally got to the point where he was let me touch
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him, he put all his weight on me and lean and lean and lean.
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If I had to drop him, he's 1600 lbs.
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Yeah, I'm done holding that up. You know what I mean, son.
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Realist. Yeah, I have one who does that.
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It was more obnoxious, you know, than anything.
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But take a step back. Let's try again.
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And finally we just we just it was like the light switch
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flipped just like that. I walked up to him from my hand
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down. Just pick him right on up.
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Not a problem. And that was that was a big
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thing for me right there, because I take care of my horses
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feet. Now, mind you, he takes care of
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his feet pretty well, but I still need the ability to pick
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him up if something is wrong. You know what I mean?
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He's just, he's so stoic about things like that.
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It's he's finally, like I said, finally starting to show his
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real emotions, true colors and relax.
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And that's, that's a good feeling, knowing that I have
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that now with him. Yeah.
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So going back a little bit, you talked about how you basically
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learned like a cowboy and he kind of wasn't OK with that.
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No, what are the most definitely he would most definitely not OK
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with that, Yeah. What are some of that?
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Because I think a lot of people don't really understand how
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cruel some training is. Oh, man.
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And you know, this is stuff people often learn as kids.
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Like you were a kid when you were learning this stuff.
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During things they see on TV, what's some other?
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Stuff that really just. Spark Spurs with him, do some.
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I ride some of my horses and spurs, absolutely, they need it.
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But him ain't happening. I can blow on his side and he'll
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side pass for me. I can go with my breath and
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he'll side pass for me. He's just that sensitive.
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I tried to ride him in spurs once.
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It did not end well. Put it like that.
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People think you got to kick these guys with spurs.
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That's not what they're for, you know what I mean?
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They're it just and tying them down, you know, to do this or
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that with them. Sometimes, you know, medically
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it might be necessary. I'll tell you a big thing for me
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is whips. I'm not against there is a time
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and a place for him, but you don't have to whip your horse
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the punish it because they don't understand, you know?
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5 minutes later when you're so angry they're past it, they
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don't care anymore. So why you still whip it, you
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know? Yeah.
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But. Man, that's a huge key that like
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we might think we're sending some message, but they're not
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getting the message that we think we're sending with that
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kind of response to them. Yeah, no, we're making ourselves
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feel better because like I said, they're, they're over it at that
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point. You know, as far as the incident
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that caused you to do that, that's because they're just,
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they're here. They're right here right now,
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present. That's a hard concept to grasp
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until you just finally get it, you know, and you probably know
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yourself like with him, you know, I told you patience.
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You have to be present with him and at all times.
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You, you got to know what you're doing.
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You got to be in the moment with him right then and there.
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Because if you don't, he's going to know you slip up and he'll
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let you know about it. You know, like I said, he's just
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super quirky. But I love it.
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I'm the only one that can take him out and go work with him,
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you know, and chase cows and do what I need to do.
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But if I put him in the round pen, I put my little girl on his
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back, but only in the pen. He's that careful.
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Yeah, but it it really is incredible how I've noticed that
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with Mustangs that they will really change according to their
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writer for. Absolutely.
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Better or worse with kids? Yeah, they they notice.
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Oh, for sure, for absolutely sure.
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There there's something about Mustangs and horses in general.
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I just they know kids are kids and they're innocent.
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I'll give you a really good example.
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This guy right here, mind you, me just talking about his hind
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legs and how just quirky he was about him and like he would lash
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out, left out the detail that I was messing with his hind feet
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one time and he kicked me and tore my ACL and MCL and one
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kick. I left that one out.
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Yeah. So I was down for a little while
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and that was another outing experience right there for me.
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That was. Really.
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And let's back up. Let's look at ourselves.
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Let's reevaluate something here, you know what I mean?
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Because when you're down for, you know, four or five months,
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you got some time to think. Back to the kids thing, though.
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I'd ridden him at a local campground down here called
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Wranglers. My wife was going to come down
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and lead us, but I got done before she got all the way
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there. As long as we're short.
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We met halfway to a City Park, all right.
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He was still saddle and everything.
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I pulled him out of the trailer and we was riding around the
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park because. And towards the end, you know, I
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was fixing to leave and whatnot. There's a kid with special
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needs, but I didn't see him coming, but my better half did.
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And I seen her just get wide eyed, you know, I was like,
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because he was running towards his hind end, this little kid
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and grabbed his hind leg and he just, he kind of jumped for a
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second, but he just turned and looked and nothing, nothing.
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And I would just think, thought to myself, all right, big guy, I
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know you're lying to me because you just want me to take your
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feet from you. But you know, I, I get you.
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I got you. And like, I was scared to death,
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you know, that all I could picture was the worst happening,
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you know, especially after what he'd done to me, you know, and
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this kids 6-7 years old and you can tell he's special needs, but
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he don't know any different and he don't know better.
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But it thankfully that ended up on the good side of things, you
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know what I mean? Showed me something about him
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too, that he just being kind of a butt head a little bit, you
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know about it. I think they also kind of know
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the intention we're going in with.
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For sure my horses have. Definitely reacted very
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differently because you know, maybe it was the vet.
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Then it. Would have been if we were just
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going in the pen for something else, yeah.
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You know, and this guy, like I said, you know, he's standing
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there pretty pure right now, I'd say.
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And I just got him dressed and everything.
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And after we get done, I'm we're going to go ride a little bit
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and just relax. But they, they know he has
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different modes for moods. Whatever you want to call him,
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you know, he knows when we're going to work and he knows when
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we relax and when we're going to do something he may not be super
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comfortable with. I mean, that's all about that
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vibe. They just, you got to be.
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I have to center myself before I step on him every single time I
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have to bring myself back down. And he's just he's just not that
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horse that anybody just can just jump on, you know, for the heck
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of it. He's very in tune with what's
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going on. So you have to be centered with
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him, but he's also one of horses too.
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That being so in tune, he'll keep you safe, you know what I
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mean? And he'll let you know when
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something's not right. You know, I think I told you
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beforehand about there was 1 even me and him was out and it
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got dark on us a little quicker than I expected it to.
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And I didn't have no flashlight, no headlamp, no nothing.
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So I had two choices to either get off and walk him home or let
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him carry me home. Well, he was a good little lick
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from the barn. So I just kind of all right,
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guy, I don't feel like walking tonight.
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And I had to, I literally just had to give him the reins and he
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dumped me. He'd kicked me throwing like
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bronc and fits previously and I was, well, we got two options
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Which one's going to go good or bad?
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And well, he carried me home like a gentleman because out
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here where I live, it's it's dark.
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You know, you can't see your hand in front of your face dark.
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And I, I was forced to trust him.
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And ever since then too, I guess me and him has had so many just
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light bulb aha moments that it's just I'm gonna get goosebumps
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just sitting here thinking about it really.
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You know, the way he's made me just change and re evaluate
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myself because I'm, I'm, I'll tell you right now, I'm not a
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trusting person by nature. I've seen the worst in people
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before And but the he forced my hand, I guess, you know, and I
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always think there's divine intervention and things, and I
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think it was one of them times too.
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I don't know. He's my, he's my guy, you know,
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so. What are the things he's
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demanded from you? You know, if you're going to
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have a relationship, how has that like being present and
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other things that you mentioned, has that had an impact on your
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life outside of horses, with your family, with other?
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People absolutely all the way around.
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He's forced me to be a better human being because it if you
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treat him unfair, he's not going to be nice to you either.
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And that course just outside, outside of these, you know,
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pastures and cow fields and whatever the case may be, you
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know it, I guess you could put the definition of, you know, you
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treat people how you want to be treated.
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And outside of that, he just, he taught me how to love correctly.
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Because there's been, there's been more than one occasion
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where like, all right, guy, you're going to a sale.
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But I had to reel myself in and thought of the good stuff.
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And Needless to say, well, he's still here.
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But with that being said and the patient's thing, I've got a
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little girl now, she's 18 months old.
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And I've actually named her after him because if he didn't
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teach me how to love correctly, I don't know if I would have
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known how to love her correctly. That makes sense.
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Love is work, period. Real love is work.
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I put it like that. And gentleness and, and kindness
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and just being forgiving, you know, and understanding.
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And granted, she's only 18 months old, but she's a little
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pistol. She's a little female version of
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me. And it scares me to death, OK?
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She has No Fear. She'll walk right up to this
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guy, you know? But that's my little girl.
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And I know I think about our past and.
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But I have to trust him too. And I have to, I don't know,
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it's so hard to explain. It's just just how I feel about
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everything. And I'm just so just, and I try
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to take everything in the moment.
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I'm trying to get too far ahead of myself.
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I can't look to the past because it doesn't matter now, you know,
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I mean, can't change it, but just I guess really the biggest
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thing is just being a better person overall.
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And if I'm going to love something, love it completely,
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you know, and fully, like I said, he's just, he's changed my
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life just to make me be a better person.
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You have to be to be around him. Not he don't want anything to do
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with you if you're not, if you don't have a good intention,
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he's not having anything to do with you, period.
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I'm going to prove that time and time again with him and other
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people. So because of that, it's made me
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want to be a better person because I want them.
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It's not that you know, you can't be, you're not going to
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make everybody happy, but you can still be a good person no
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matter what you do. And he's made me grow up.
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He's turned me in from a nice guy into a good man.
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I firmly believe there's a difference in that.
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He's one of the horses too, that he said he where he's such kind
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of a problem child at first from all this trauma and just there's
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lots of cases out there and there's people that I feel even
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could have done better than me with him.
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You know, that I wasn't deserving of him one time
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because I see his potential. I've seen his potential through
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all the all the crap that he put up as a front.
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I've seen what he could do and what he's capable of and I think
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what he wanted to be. But just like us, he put up some
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walls when he got hurt and breaking the walls down has been
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hard, you know? Coming back with that though, I
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had to break mine down too to get over his and we've done it
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together. Like I said before, I thought I
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was helping him though. He's really just helping me and
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I'm loading all my trouble from my past too, because I had to
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let things go. Well, if I can do it, maybe they
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can do it too, you know? And it all takes time.
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Once again, rolls back right back to the patients thing.
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I guess that's what it all comes down to really.
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It's going to have more time than they do.
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Yeah, yeah. And I really believe that, you
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know, there's particular horses that find particular people.
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I really feel like that with my first mare.
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She kind of came along just when I needed her and taught me just
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the things that I wasn't getting other places in life.
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And it sounds like he's really done the same thing.
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Not only can you maybe relate to his past, which I think is
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really powerful, but. Just the.
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Fact that he is kind of taught you the lessons you needed.
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Yes, he's, he's made me grow up. And yeah, he told me from a
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cowboy to a horseman, because you have to be a horseman with
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this guy. And I'd much rather be that, you
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know, I don't have. You see, he's wearing a basil.
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This guy, he ain't going to take a bit.
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Forget it. He flowed me across around being
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trying to put a bit in his mouth.
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Of course, guy, what happened? Once again, I had to trust him.
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I can peel that thing off of him right now.
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I'm running around making spin holes on the ground.
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You know, it all comes back to that trauma thing too.
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I guess that from being in the military and some childhood
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trauma center too, you know what I mean?
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He's brought brought them forth things that truth be told,
19:02
things that I had suppressed that couldn't even actually
19:05
recall until after maybe, you know, speaking to somebody about
19:07
it, the try and piece memories back together, if that makes
19:11
sense, you know, and it really brought to some hidden truths, I
19:18
guess that I needed to face. So he brought some skeletons
19:21
back out, I guess that I needed to get rid of.
19:25
I'll be honestly one of the biggest ones was druggies.
19:29
That's the ball and chain I'll always carry as being an addict.
19:31
Okay, I haven't done anything now in probably five years, but
19:36
there was coming a point in time to where I was really kind of
19:38
teeter tottering with it again, just with life struggles, you
19:40
know, I mean, that's really what drives people into that.
19:42
I've had some people around that I knew maybe kind of dabbled in
19:46
things and he's just like he didn't want to be nowhere near
19:50
him. You know what I mean?
19:51
At all Completely. So he's made me stay sober and
19:55
clean because it just, you know, don't get me wrong, he's I've
19:58
got other horses out here, but he's really kind of my go to, I
20:02
guess when I really need to get something done and just to hang
20:05
out with. But whenever I need to be still,
20:08
I go to him and I mean truly be still.
20:10
Of course, you know they'll kind of let you, your mind wandering
20:13
this and that, but if you're not there, he won't be neither.
20:16
And that more ways than one with that.
20:18
There's only been two horses my entire life that I've been able
20:21
to feel everything they've ever been through when I put my hands
20:24
on them. And I own both of them.
20:25
So whenever we was first going to see him and this and that,
20:29
you know, every time we go, always keep a saddle and riding
20:32
gear with me, OK, I'd always riding every time I messed up
20:35
doing that. And I know that now what I
20:37
should have done is feel him first before I ask him anything
20:42
else. But the very last time I went to
20:44
go see him before I went home, I got a trailer was I put my hands
20:47
on him like truly put my hands on him and he broke me.
20:50
It was his he was this helped me look in his eye, but scared to
20:53
death all at the same time because he didn't know what was
20:55
next. You know what I mean?
20:57
I knew that he knew something about you could just see it.
20:59
All right, here we go again. Where am I going now?
21:00
I don't know. It's just so hard to explain.
21:02
Say it was like not influenced everyone.
21:04
I put both my hands on him and I I didn't care.
21:06
He could have committed murder right then.
21:08
I would still take him home. He will stay with me until the
21:11
end of his days. He will not go anywhere else.
21:13
He is home here, period. I've had people offer me, hand
21:18
me blank checks. What do you want for him?
21:19
I said your pockets are not deep enough.
21:21
And it's not because of how fancy he is or this or that.
21:25
It's just simply what he's done for me, you know?
21:27
And I don't think anybody else can handle him, to be honest,
21:30
because you have to know how to take him.
21:31
And then now like me, you know, a lot of my friends tell me that
21:35
I'm from, well, a butt head will put it like that, you know, and
21:39
you kind of have to know how to take me.
21:41
You have to get to know me. It's like I've had to get to
21:43
know him. And I don't think people would
21:45
put up with that unless you are in this for the right reasons
21:48
and you would truly see him. You know, I'm still talking
21:51
about it. And I think really there's
21:53
something all up. He just wanted to be seen.
21:54
At the end of the day. He just wanted to be seen
21:56
instead of a tool, you know, he's big, he's strong, and he'll
22:00
work out. He'll do everything you want him
22:01
to. But a lot of people just seen
22:02
him with a tool. And I've seen him for what he
22:05
is. Yeah, I know.
22:06
But yeah. And, you know, that's kind of
22:08
the reason I put him in here, too.
22:09
He's. I feel like he deserves the
22:11
recognition, too. Yeah.
22:12
I. Love it.
22:13
I wouldn't know how to do it any other way.
22:14
That's one of my best friends right there.
22:15
I have more 4th best friends than I have human best friends.
22:18
OK, I'll just be honest, I don't much other spend time with these
22:20
guys than anybody else, you know?
22:22
Yeah, I know that feeling. And I love what you said when
22:26
you talked about going to see him, how the first thing you did
22:30
with him shouldn't have been to jump on and ride.
22:33
I think that's such a typical thing for us to do.
22:37
Right, we look. At the horse and base the worth
22:39
on What does he know? How well is he under?
22:43
Saddle and. Yeah, How would it change the
22:45
world if we kind of stepped back and we're like, let's fill the
22:49
horse first, you know, and see what's there between us?
22:53
Well, here's my claim with that. If they don't know how to feel
22:56
themselves, how are they going to feel that horse too?
22:58
If they don't know how to decipher their own feelings and
23:00
emotions, So there's no way they can decipher theirs too.
23:03
You know, that's kind of, I guess really my thoughts on it
23:05
like that. I don't know, I guess you can go
23:08
either way, but it'd make you step back and really think about
23:10
the whole picture. I think if you can't feel, not,
23:13
you know, and I'm talking like feel with your, your soul, not
23:16
your, not your hands or your legs is that, but like hear
23:19
what's going on and what's their mental state and how they, what
23:22
they think about things then. But he doesn't what you do
23:25
doesn't matter if they're not OK with it too.
23:28
You know what I mean? Because the reality of it is, is
23:30
guys, I'm not tougher than he is.
23:32
I'm not tougher than any of these horses out here.
23:33
And sure, I might be without muscle one or two, but I'm going
23:36
to come across one that I can't do that with.
23:37
With that being said, though, you know, if you don't want them
23:40
to do it, well, they ain't going to do it.
23:41
But if you can connect on an emotional level, make them feel
23:44
safe, odds are they'll probably follow you and they'll do it for
23:47
you willingly. And it's not a forced effort.
23:50
It just it, it goes back to how much time you want to put in
23:52
them, how patient, how patient are you truly and willing to
23:57
connect with him on a personal level?
23:59
I guess because it is a personal experience.
24:01
It's a spiritual experience really.
24:03
Absolutely. I think one time we I'd
24:06
mentioned something to you about people have brought me Mustangs
24:09
in the past and want me. The first thing they want to do
24:12
is take the wild out of them. I I'm still in a battle with
24:15
that. Is it fair to them?
24:17
Is it? I still don't know where I stand
24:18
on that, you know what I mean? But every horse I come into
24:20
contact with is it's always they get a little piece of me every
24:24
time. I don't matter if it's, you
24:26
know, I'm walking through an oxygen or a friend of mine's
24:29
personal horse and I put my hands on them or I just, I let
24:33
them have just this little piece of something.
24:35
That way they feel that little bit of worth or love or just
24:40
maybe it's not just moment. They know what it's like, you
24:43
know what I mean? And that's me kind of humanizing
24:46
them. But I'll be honest, I've met a
24:48
lot of smart people and some pretty smart dogs, but I met
24:52
some really, really, really smart horses.
24:53
That's scary smart that you know, it's just their
24:56
intelligence level, but their emotional capabilities is just
25:00
they still baffle me and amaze me with it.
25:03
What they, what they will put up with and they will tolerate.
25:06
And until they finally say, no, I'm done, I'm not going to do it
25:09
no more. And then then you're like, wait
25:14
a minute now, now why you, why you throwing a fit now?
25:16
You know, but you wouldn't listen.
25:19
And that that goes back to me with the knee thing, him kicking
25:21
me in the knee. I wasn't listening until he had
25:24
to scream it at me. And when he screamed it, you
25:27
know, so, but you know, the crazy thing about that is
25:31
they're like, he was telling me, you know what I'm saying?
25:33
Hey, I need you to quit. I need you to quit.
25:35
But I kept pushing. Yeah, he he tore my ACL and MCL
25:38
there. But you know what he done after
25:40
there after that, he stood there and looked at me.
25:42
He didn't run away. He stood there and looked at me
25:44
like I told you so. Yeah.
25:46
Are you going to listen yet? And.
25:48
That's exactly what it was. He looked at me like, told you,
25:51
you should have been listening, guy.
25:53
And you know, I don't know if that was the icing on the cake
25:55
for me to really like, all right, I don't know the true
25:58
turning point there. You know, I'm saying there's
25:59
just been these little incidents that's really just made me
26:02
rethink things all the way through our journey together.
26:05
Like I said, you know, he's changed me.
26:09
And I got, you know, another guy out there that I just got here
26:12
recently. He's feral as they can be.
26:14
But I just see something about him and maybe he'll change me
26:17
again. Yeah.
26:17
But yeah, I'm sure he will. But they all do, whether they're
26:20
domesticated or coming from the wild.
26:22
But if something about a wild horse, they're raw.
26:24
You know exactly where you stand every time.
26:26
Every time. They ain't gonna lie to you.
26:27
And it's once again, it's got to be on their time.
26:30
And I like it. I don't know, I just like it.
26:32
Hey. What was the thing that made you
26:34
stick with him? Like, that was a pretty rough
26:36
start, especially when he's, you know, putting you out to where
26:40
you can't probably work for a while.
26:42
No, I, I kept. Going when everything was so
26:44
difficult. I don't know.
26:46
And I just, I knew what he was capable of.
26:48
I just seen it like whenever I felt him, I knew.
26:50
Like, there's so much more to it that these were just.
26:54
I knew they were walls. He was protecting himself.
26:57
I can't give you an honest answer to that question.
26:59
I just. And part of I can give you, part
27:01
of that honest answer is my stubbornness.
27:04
That's part of it, Yeah. To not want to fail something.
27:08
And yeah. And part of it too is because I
27:12
was starting to recognize his trauma and he was changing how I
27:15
was doing things. I didn't want to fail him
27:17
because everybody else had nobody else that saw him.
27:19
And I was finally starting to see him and I didn't want to
27:21
fail him. Even if I would be OK right now
27:23
if he was a pastor pet, if that's all he could be, I'd be
27:25
OK with that too. It doesn't matter to me.
27:27
That's not what he can do in this.
27:29
That isn't his worth to me. What he's done for me is where
27:33
his worth stands. You know, like I said, I don't
27:36
care who you are, you ain't going to buy him from me.
27:37
So if anybody gets any ideas, you know.
27:41
Don't even ask. Don't even ask.
27:43
Well, you can, but you're going to get the same answer, you
27:45
know, not for sale, But he's, he's too special.
27:48
I don't know. There's something about him and
27:50
the the fact that my 18 month old daughter can walk right up
27:53
to him when this horse has tried to essentially kill me.
27:56
I'm not helping him for just to do it.
27:59
I guess I'm helping him for her too, because one of my dreams is
28:03
one of my goals that maybe one day she'll be able to step up on
28:06
him. And.
28:08
Oh yeah, he carry her safely. I think she will be twice the
28:12
horseman I am or she'll be a horse woman.
28:14
But and I think he'll be twice as good compared to when me and
28:18
him first met. And I think that'd be a hard duo
28:20
to be, you know, in a few years. Yeah, I think that's going to
28:22
happen. There's a good chance.
28:24
I hope so. I'm proud of this guy and just
28:27
how far he's come. I mean, you know, me and my
28:29
wife, we talk about it, right? You already I see the little
28:32
growth, you know, spots that he's made since we've had him.
28:35
Even though the process has been long, it's been worth it because
28:39
it's gratifying to me too. It makes me feel good.
28:41
It makes me know that I'm doing OK.
28:42
I'm doing right by him, and I feel like I'm doing him justice.
28:46
And I hope I am. But you know, every day is a new
28:50
day. You know, he could have a whole
28:52
meltdown tomorrow. You never know.
28:53
But that's OK. We'll work through it just so we
28:56
have everything else. Hopefully he can find comfort in
28:59
my guidance. Where he's nobody else has given
29:02
him that opportunity. Like I said, he was leased out
29:05
as a youngster, you know, to do whatever whoever wanted to do.
29:09
He just never seen any. He just, I don't know, man.
29:12
Is it? You don't know till you know, I
29:14
guess. You know, That's the best way I
29:15
know to put it, yeah. It is true.
29:17
It's hard to describe when you haven't felt that.
29:19
It is. I try to explain that people,
29:21
that's why you know my my with what I do here, this, this place
29:25
it. I just want people to experience
29:27
what it's like to know the pureness of these guys because
29:31
in it's if they're sacred, maybe we're in this land a long time
29:34
before we have. I just want people to experience
29:36
love from an equine, I guess, for like a better words and
29:39
maybe set their heart on fire for him too.
29:41
So I use this guy for an example that a lot, to be honest with
29:45
you. And I tell kind of people the
29:47
same thing we've been talking about here, how much we've been
29:49
through this, and it's just a whole bunch of crap.
29:52
And finally we're starting to see the lot, you know what I
29:53
mean? And yeah, but it's been hard and
29:57
tough, but it's been so worth it to me because.
30:00
Yeah, I think that's definitely part.
30:02
It kind of almost gets worse pretty bad before it gets really
30:05
good. For sure, absolutely.
30:07
For sure. Particularly with these guys
30:09
because, you know, they, they grew up running the land and we
30:11
took that away from and they're going to get the point where I
30:15
don't know if there's, they have a resentment feeling, I guess,
30:18
for lack of better words, but there come a point in time or
30:20
feel if they test us to see where their boundaries are
30:22
again, you know, and that's why I think you have to be fair with
30:26
them, understand their point of view.
30:28
I guess we like better words and take it into consideration when
30:31
you're training them, you know, and riding them too, because
30:34
they might have that feral moment where, well, they don't
30:37
care. They're they're they're just
30:38
being a horse again. But trying to reel them back in
30:40
with a reassurance and not be a cowboy and not getting them
30:44
around. You know, that it just I don't
30:46
think it does any good. Try to got them back to the
30:48
civilized world. You know those moments happen.
30:50
Yeah, I like how you put that they they test you because I do
30:54
think that they will kind of come with the approach.
30:57
And if it's Mustangs are not for you, they're going to kind of, I
31:01
would say you self select yourself out because if you're
31:04
not willing to kind of reevaluate, Start learning from
31:08
them. You have not going to be a
31:10
really great. Experience, yeah.
31:11
You know, you said it's, it's on their time.
31:13
It has to be on their time. You know, they're they're a
31:16
mayor of you. You're afraid if they, you said
31:18
take a step back and reevaluate, reevaluate yourself if you're
31:22
afraid of growth or change or facing something you haven't and
31:27
you're just, you're not going to go anywhere because everything I
31:30
just listed, that's the same thing they're going through
31:32
right then and there when you're trying to get them to do this or
31:34
that, you know, you have to grow with them.
31:39
Period. Yeah.
31:40
Did you ever doubt yourself throughout the process with him?
31:43
Multiple times, multiple times even now, still sometimes I
31:47
think, you know, and I say, you know, through the process, it's
31:50
still the process. This isn't, you know, there's
31:52
now there's tomorrow. It's it's always a process.
31:55
But there's been multiple times where somebody else could do
31:57
better with him. He deserves he deserves more
31:59
than me because, you know, I guess it's lack of knowledge or
32:03
my lack of confidence in myself or all right, it's never really
32:07
been him. It's I'd hit a wall and I didn't
32:10
know which direction to go. I'm so I just started chipping
32:12
away at it, you know, and finally I get that little crack
32:15
where I could start breaking through there, you know, and
32:18
that's when I'm kind of all right now.
32:20
Now we're getting somewhere. Let's relax, take a step back
32:22
for a minute. Let's look at the picture again,
32:24
see what we was doing and re evaluate again, you know, before
32:28
we find him a breakthrough multiple times.
32:30
Like I said, it's just he's been far the toughest horse I've ever
32:34
had to work with my entire life because he's made me re evaluate
32:37
everything. He's he's still he still amazes
32:39
me everyday. Some of the stuff I've seen him
32:41
do, like this guy truly will put thought behind his actions
32:45
before he does it. And I'm not talking just like,
32:47
you know, riding and this and that, like he will think about
32:50
something. If he wants out that gate, he's
32:52
going, you're going to watch him sit back and think how he's
32:55
going to open that gate. You know, whether he's going to
32:57
go through it or he's going to pick the lock or what the case
32:59
might be. Most things are scary smart.
33:01
I guess you could in the civilized world, you can say
33:04
they have St. smarts, you know, but but it's the truth, though.
33:07
Him and my other one that I have out here right now, them
33:10
together is dangerous because of just what they could do, you
33:13
know, and get themselves in trouble.
33:14
They're so smart. They're dumb in the way, you
33:16
know, Yeah, sometimes, but. Yeah.
33:21
That's what's kept him alive all this time, you know, and got him
33:24
here, you know. But when you learn how to take
33:27
that and grasp it and use it to your advantage, not to your
33:31
advantage, but to help them understand something better,
33:34
things go a whole lot smoother. And that took me a minute to
33:37
figure out with him, especially just how to speak to his
33:40
language. And I tell you really what got
33:42
me through after me kind of stepping back is everything that
33:45
like I said, everything I thought I knew that he showed me
33:47
that I didn't know, you know, to correct the horse.
33:50
Most time people are going to move their feet.
33:53
This guy didn't care, so I took all punishment away.
33:55
You did something wrong. Oh, well, let's try again.
33:57
I let him recenter himself. I recenter myself and we tried
34:01
again and it didn't matter. It took one time or took 100
34:04
times. Those little behaviors that I
34:06
didn't like are bad things eventually just worked
34:08
themselves out and went away. And now mind you, that doesn't
34:11
work for that reforce. But with these guys, I really
34:14
feel that it does. It just, it has, once again,
34:16
that's kind of just letting them figure it out themselves, you
34:18
know what I mean? There's a level of fairness in
34:21
there and respect because they don't know what they don't know,
34:25
you know what I mean? Especially if they haven't been
34:27
born into the domesticated world because they hadn't been, you
34:33
know, So you, you have to take that into consideration.
34:37
I don't know it, I guess that's really all I got on that one.
34:40
But this, and it's like you said, though, taking all his
34:42
punishment away. That's what I found to work.
34:44
That's how I somebody got him to trust me.
34:47
I've just found that, like I said that by doing that all
34:49
these little nitpick behaviors of just kind of work themselves
34:53
out and I've applied that with all the other horses.
34:56
And don't get me wrong, they still get corrected and
34:59
reprimanded, but I'm not the my punishment is only severe as the
35:02
crime. So if it's something petty, I
35:04
know it's they figure it out time.
35:07
But this guy here, you know where you've been in so many
35:10
different places. I'm assuming he didn't know what
35:12
to expect. So when I took it everything
35:14
away, you know, if he done something silly, it he was like
35:18
he had to sit and reprogram and think, which is what we're
35:22
always out there just getting them to think, you know what I
35:24
mean? Because in order to mentally
35:27
engage with him, you know, I because I wasn't getting
35:29
anywhere, just hustling him around, I had to figure out how
35:32
to get through to his brain. And that was how I done it right
35:35
there. It's worked on him and it's
35:36
worked on a few others too. You know, it's not the the the
35:40
key thing there for every horse, but it and I never ever done
35:43
that before and tell him take him along.
35:46
It was always was cowboy him up make a move and well, but he
35:49
just didn't care So and. I think everybody wants the
35:53
yeah, I think everybody wants the easy horses, you know?
35:55
But it really is the ones that don't just accept everything so
36:00
easily that are the ones that really teach you how to do it
36:02
better. Absolutely.
36:03
That's how that's growth requires a little bit of pain
36:07
and sometimes that I don't mean that physically, but just having
36:11
to think things stir and reevaluate.
36:12
Once again, not everybody likes that and he wasn't not only he
36:16
would accept, he wouldn't tolerate it.
36:18
And that's the thing, you know it in a way it taught me what my
36:22
morals need to be. You know what I'll tolerate what
36:25
I won't tolerate from people to to animals.
36:28
You know what I'm saying? Well, I say he made me like
36:32
reevaluate everything about myself out.
36:34
That's I completely mean that 100%.
36:37
I had to. This has not been an easy Rd.
36:39
with him. It's been like I said, baby
36:41
steps the whole way, but he's had to let go of a lot of his
36:44
past and so have I in order to build on Ford.
36:48
We've done it together. That's really all I got on.
36:50
We've done it together every day.
36:52
I come see him up here, you know, I'm barn.
36:56
He's kind of he's one of the special ones that's taken.
36:58
He holds a piece of my heart and all of me get a piece of me,
37:02
like I said. But this guy, he's just somebody
37:04
mechanics. I don't have any rhyme or
37:06
reason. Yeah.
37:07
Do you think there was something that prepared you to be ready to
37:11
because you had to change a lot? I know with me I also had to
37:14
change a lot, which went down into my everyday life.
37:18
Do you think there's anything that made you ready to?
37:21
Handle him? No, absolutely not.
37:23
There. There was nothing like.
37:24
I was to be ready to to. To grow and to reevaluate
37:28
myself. It Yeah, like I said, everything
37:31
I thought I knew nothing worked. When I said nothing worked, I
37:34
literally mean nothing worked. He didn't care.
37:37
He truly did not care. So that's how I was like, fine,
37:39
let's do nothing. And I finally started getting my
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breakthroughs. Sometimes in the middle of chaos
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in our lives, we need to do nothing.
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Don't and don't try to do anything about it.
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Let the answer come and you'll find it.
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You, you will know when it's there.
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And that was kind of, I guess after me, these little
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breakthroughs with him, after I'm doing nothing.
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I was like, aha, it was, it was a light bulb.
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I get it. And now, you know, in the middle
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chaos in my life, you know, everybody, you know, you, you
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know anybody, they have their everyday stresses.
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But if I can't fix it right now, I'm not going to worry about it.
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I'm not going to let it consume me, you know, We'll cross that
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bridge when it gets to us. So I have to be still and just
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not worry about it, you know, and do nothing because I can't
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do anything anyways. You know that that's hard.
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Everybody wants to be these problem solvers and you know,
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and fix things will sometimes you can't fix it if it ain't
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broke because it ain't there yet.
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You don't know if it's going to be broke or not.
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So you just, you got to let it come to you.
38:40
That once again comes back to that being still and being
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present. Let's be here, right here, right
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now. Being present takes practice.
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Lots and lots of practice. Yeah, You know these things.
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We're talking all right now. You know, the hustle and bustle.
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Truth be told, if I wasn't talking to you, I wouldn't have
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my phone in this barn. My phone would be in the truck.
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And that's one way I keep myself present with these guys at all
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times because I get distracted just as easy as the next person.
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But this is my refuge, just like I want it to be theirs, too.
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So by illuminating my connection to the outside world, I guess if
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you want to call it, I have to be present here because nothing
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else matters, you know? And I found that it just has let
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me be able to have a better relationship with all of my
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horses in general because it makes me see, you know what I
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mean? It makes me really look at them,
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see their emotional state, see their mental state, if they're
39:29
comfortable. Give you a good example here.
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I've had a fence down, about a 5060 foot section of fence down
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for two weeks. They haven't left.
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And it's simple because I haven't had the time to go fix
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it, you know what I mean? But that tells me they're happy
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here at least. At least that's what I like to
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think, you know, because, you know, of course they don't want
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to be somewhere they're going to get gone, you know, they're
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going to leave. And well, yeah, they are still,
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you know, and I, I'm kind of proud of myself for that one.
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I guess I like to pat myself on my back because I feel like I'm
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doing something right to give them that feeling of safety.
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It's something as simple as that, you know what I mean?
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Because I know a lot of people personally that if they get a
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fence down on open gate, their critters are gone.
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See ya, they're out of there. I guess.
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Really one of my biggest fears with him.
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If he ever got loose, if I'd be able to catch him, if he'd go
40:17
back to his feral state of mind. But he's had every opportunity
40:21
that makes me feel like I'm again, like I'm doing him
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justice. And I guess doing myself
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justice, I guess doing myself justice, too, because this shows
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his growth in mind as well, if that makes sense at all, You
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know? Yeah, because there's an open
40:33
door for them to leave if they want want to go, you know?
40:36
Yeah, trap up. Share with us what you're doing
40:39
now and how you know you, how you move forward with your
40:43
philosophy with horses now and then, of course, where people
40:47
can find you if they're interested in working with you.
40:49
So I guess the biggest thing with with I ask them, I ask the
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horse before I do anything, I ask them.
40:56
And that could be something simple, just standing in a pin
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with them and just standing there.
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It's something as silly as it sounds, I'll get down on one
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knee and I'll bow to them and I'll thank them for let me be
41:05
able to work with you if they want want to, you know, I mean,
41:08
and I always offer the horseman handshake, you know, the back of
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the hand. Let them come to me and I with
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everybody that comes to my barn in my facility, that's kind of
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my one of my pet peeves. Let them come to you.
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Let them touch you first because that's it's, you know, everybody
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wants to go pet them on the face, on cheek.
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I think it's rude. It's no different than me
41:25
meeting a stranger, you know, and touching them on the face.
41:28
It's rude. I wouldn't like it.
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Yeah. You know, but.
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Yeah. And a lot of horses, don't we
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just no. Anyway, yeah, I mean it.
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Try to I ask before I do anything and I always I apply
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that to every single horse I throw a leg across.
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I'll give them all the benefits of doubt everyone of them until
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they show me something different and it's just I always look for
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their try. You know, that's that's really
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the been the big thing right there.
41:55
I ask when I look for their try a whole lot more.
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Whereas if I was blind to it, I was ignorant to it beforehand
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because I didn't know any different.
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But now if I see their, they're trying to at least understand
42:06
what I'm asking of them that that's good for me because I
42:08
want them to understand the why of what what I'm asking them
42:13
then or worry about the finesse of it later.
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And that just makes a big difference.
42:20
All and all honesty that comes all the way back to this guy
42:23
here. You had to earn his respect
42:28
before you did anything. And still, even now, there's
42:30
days where I have to ask him before I get on him.
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Hey, you know, you care. You know, let's go take a ride.
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And and sometimes we have to sit and think about it.
42:41
He'll kind of he I don't know where he learned it or what not,
42:45
but he'll give me a nod that he's he's OK, let's go.
42:48
You know that his sign of approval is his little nod that
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he does might be just a quirk. I don't know.
42:53
But it's how I know. And I got to, I got to find that
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little signal and all, all the horses that I encounter of
43:00
their, their approval. What's, you know, whether it be
43:02
a licking chew from them or some little strange thing they do,
43:06
you know, they're all different, all have their own
43:07
personalities. And you got to work with that
43:10
and you have to be, they said you got to shift too back and
43:13
forth with them because what works for one may not work for
43:15
another. And, and stand them and meet
43:18
them where they are. I guess really that's all of it
43:22
in a nutshell, I guess is meeting them where they are and
43:23
asking them, you know, and it's, it's made it easier for me in my
43:27
horsemanship because some a horse is willing, because they
43:31
feel sane and understood is a whole lot easier to work with
43:36
and a horse is forced and it's forced to comply.
43:40
I don't want that. I want them to do it for me
43:42
because they want to, you know, I'm not going back to them being
43:45
my partner. But as far as finding me goes,
43:47
Rewind Ranch and Rehab LLC on Facebook, that's really my main
43:51
source of, you know, media that I use.
43:53
Me and my wife both have access to it.
43:55
So, you know, shoot us a message and we'll get back with you, you
43:59
know, and go from there. Love to have anybody out.
44:03
I don't I don't charge. You want to come out and ride
44:06
and just experience horses. I don't charge for that.
44:09
I'll be honest. I just want you to experience
44:11
and maybe feel the love for these guys that I have, you
44:14
know, if I can put somebody that finds a joy in them and I can
44:18
teach somebody what I know and they take it and run with it and
44:21
they make it their own and they can help other horses down the
44:24
roads. And I've done my job.
44:25
That's kind of how I see it. I'm all about, I'm about these
44:29
guys right here because I mean, I can think of a million better
44:32
things to do, you know, But on the same hand that I can't
44:35
because I'm doing this for them back here, it's not for me.
44:40
I want to help them because the reality of it is they're already
44:43
broke. I want to help them heal just
44:45
like they'd help me, you know, So that way, I guess they can be
44:48
good outstanding citizens if you want to put it like that.
44:51
Because a horse that feels sane, trusted and love, I mean, then
44:58
they'll always have a home. And that's important to me.
45:00
That's why every horse I kind of, they lead with a little
45:02
piece of me. And do I know the reality of it
45:05
is sometimes it doesn't always work out in their favor.
45:08
And this once again, this is, this is a hard business to be in
45:11
because it gets personal for me. Every horse is personal because
45:14
I give them everything I got and I and I try to do the very, very
45:19
best with them that I can. And so it so it is taxing in a
45:23
way, you know, but very rewarding the same time, you
45:25
know, to see them come from, you know, traumatic, you know,
45:29
episodes or series in their life and to want your attention now
45:33
and finally coming out their shell.
45:34
It's very it feels good to me, you know, that they're like it
45:38
now. So so it's very, very, very
45:41
personal and on a spiritual level to you.
45:44
They're my, they are my connection to the higher power
45:48
out there. That that's how I connect with
45:50
them, you know? Yeah.
45:52
Same for me. Once again, you know.
45:54
You don't know till you know. Quite surreal, to be honest.
45:56
It's just really hard to describe.
45:57
You already know this. Yeah.
45:59
So you know it. I don't know where it is.
46:03
I don't know if you know. It is a hard thing to describe,
46:07
but if you've been there and you've felt it, you know exactly
46:10
what people are talking about when they when they try to.
46:13
And there's nothing quite like being with a horse.
46:16
No. And then you, if you seek it, if
46:19
you truly feel it, you like you seek it becomes a drug, you
46:22
know, and that's, that's really how I explained to people, I
46:25
think Clint Anderson said it, that, you know, they become like
46:27
a drug, either you got it or you don't.
46:30
And once you once you find it, you want it more.
46:32
So it was very, very true statement there.
46:35
Yeah. Yeah, well, I want to thank you
46:37
for being here, Jimmy, and for all the things that you have
46:40
shared about your journey and your experience.
46:43
And it's really cool to hear you know, where you came from, this
46:47
place that was difficult and traumatic.
46:49
And along with your Mustang, you guys have taken you and your
46:53
family and your little girl who's going to know the beauty
46:56
of horses and all those wonderful things and all the
46:58
people whose lives I know that you're going to touch both
47:01
through your training and, you know, through talking here.
47:04
I just really want to commend you for for taking the
47:08
opportunity to learn and grow and make it into something so
47:11
beautiful. I try, that's all I can just try
47:13
and, you know, be my best mom. I want to be, you know, they,
47:18
they all teach us something. So and I and I take it I've had
47:21
to run with it. So I appreciate it.
47:23
Yeah, absolutely. I think you're definitely doing
47:25
it. I feel they all deserve to be
47:27
seen for just being here, literally for them just being
47:29
here. I mean, because it's, it's, we
47:31
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