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Ep. 828: Nonresidents, Wildlife Commissions, and the Boundary Waters | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Smell off now, lady, Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: To Meet Trivia.
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  Speaker 3: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Oh there you are. Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live.
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  Speaker 2: It's eleven am on Thursday, which means we're here at
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  Speaker 2: h Q and Boseman to chit chat with you guys.
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: I'm your host, Brody. I'm joined today by Seth and
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: Corey and Steve. Steve ditched Randall. So Randall's here too.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: You can't see him though he's sitting here. Hey, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: we got a couple of great guests joining us today.
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  Speaker 2: We who are going to be talking to us about
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  Speaker 2: the Boundary Waters and then we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: state wildlife come missions. There's some interesting stuff going on
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: in New Mexico regarding state wildlife commissions. And we're also
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  Speaker 2: going to be addressing Randall's loud bag of sun chips
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  Speaker 2: and some interesting email correspondence from the Meat Eater inbox.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll also do a Crewe Hot Tip hop and
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  Speaker 2: the live you guys, the live audience, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: decide the winner and what we'll announce that at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the show. What flavored you got there.
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  Speaker 1: Randall.
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  Speaker 4: Garden Salsa my favorite?
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  Speaker 2: Nice here?
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  Speaker 5: Do you have enough for the rest of the class.
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  Speaker 4: Nope, Okay, moving on, I'm not even supposed to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Moving on. Before we dive into the show, I want
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: to make an announcement in case you guys haven't heard.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: Some of you have, probably have, some of you probably haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Might be a little painful for for our most diehard
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: listeners like mogor, so hold on your breches in casey
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  Speaker 2: you haven't heard, We're gonna be saying goodbye to Media
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  Speaker 2: or Radio Live in early March. So been a great
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  Speaker 2: run and we've had so much fun doing the live
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  Speaker 2: show for you guys, so we're sad to see it go.
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  Speaker 2: Randall in particular has been in a dark, deep depression
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. Uh Is that you got
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  Speaker 2: anything to add there?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but we've learned so much along the way and
• 2:23
  Speaker 6: really made all kinds of new friends, including we've learned
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  Speaker 6: things about one another that I don't think would have
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  Speaker 6: come to light.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, There's there's some good news here too. Radio Live
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  Speaker 2: is going to replace be replaced by a second weekly
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  Speaker 2: episode of Media the Mediater podcast, and you're still going
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  Speaker 2: to be seeing the crew from Radio to Media to
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  Speaker 2: Radio Live along with Steve and the additional drop of
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  Speaker 2: the Mediater podcast is going to focus on news and
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  Speaker 2: current events, but we're going to bring some of the
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  Speaker 2: fun and energy from Radio Live along with us. But
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  Speaker 2: for now, we've got another month or so, five weeks
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  Speaker 2: maybe of Radio Live left before we sign off, and
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  Speaker 2: we're definitely gonna be doing something very special for for
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  Speaker 2: our last episode of Radio Live, Phil, Phil and Randall
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  Speaker 2: are already plotting. So if you have, if you have
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  Speaker 2: any like suggestions or like wants that you would see
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  Speaker 2: in our last show, send them.
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  Speaker 1: In to us.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if we can do anything.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Phil, do we have Is it radio at the
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  Speaker 6: meeteater dot com?
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  Speaker 1: I believe it is.
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  Speaker 2: If you have any.
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  Speaker 6: Ideas for the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Spectacular
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  Speaker 6: Live on.
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  Speaker 1: March fifth, phill be our last show and we're playing.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a blast, So please's gonna be wild.
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  Speaker 1: Please tune in and I think you really really quick too.
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  Speaker 1: Just to add to some of the messaging around here
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  Speaker 1: about like why specifically we're doing this, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: main reason is that Steve wants to do stuff like
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: this more. He wants to be on on like he
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: loves Radio Live, he loves coming on, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: he can't do it very often because it's it's tied
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  Speaker 1: to a specific time. But so now it's just being replaced.
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  Speaker 1: The new show is gonna have a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: same energy, sort of like the old cruise shows from
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  Speaker 1: from back in the old day. So I think you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna still enjoy it. But now if we're just more flexible,
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  Speaker 1: we can talk about topical stuff more quickly, which is
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  Speaker 1: what you want.
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  Speaker 6: Phil can go on vacations that include Thursdays.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I'm getting here a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I just think some of the messaging hasn't been super clear,
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  Speaker 1: so I just thought would get you know, get in
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  Speaker 1: front of it. Pipe down.
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  Speaker 3: Boys.
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  Speaker 4: That's not on you, Brody, I know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, not from you. I mean the messaging that
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  Speaker 1: has been communicated so far before today.
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  Speaker 2: And I will add that there's a chance, I think
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  Speaker 2: if we get our way, it'll happen. There's a chance
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  Speaker 2: of every now and then we'll do like a pop
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  Speaker 2: up version of Radio ass So it may not be
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  Speaker 2: completely going away. See.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're even thinking about some some like primetime shows
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  Speaker 1: like you know, seven o'clock on a Friday or Saturday
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  Speaker 1: night where you know we can kind of eventize a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 2: At like some kind of event or something we might
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  Speaker 2: try and do it.
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  Speaker 4: Do it rent tuxedos for those.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. So, uh, you guys got anything you
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  Speaker 2: want to chit chat about before we start talking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to tell you a bunch of ice
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  Speaker 1: fishing stories.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw you were on the ice the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get any of those five inch bluegills?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I got some blue gills on the three
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  Speaker 7: Forks ponds. But yeah, I was up at Cane Fairy and.
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  Speaker 2: Just caught.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was not good. Four inches of ice, couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get out to the good stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little sketchy ice was bare minimum.
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  Speaker 7: Ice was chit chatty up there, yeah, making all kinds
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  Speaker 7: of noises.
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  Speaker 5: Yelling at you. Yeah, threatening, Yeah, a little scary. It's
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  Speaker 5: been so unseasonably warm. I went fly fishing the other day. Wow, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: never done it before. No typical January trout fishing. They're
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  Speaker 5: pretty in the rivers at least, not a lot of food,
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  Speaker 5: not a lot of activity. But if you put it
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  Speaker 5: in their face, they'll eat it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we caught a few one time I went ice fishing.
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  Speaker 6: While fly fishing, I was up in Alaska, went out
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  Speaker 6: to the lodge on a snow machine, busted the ice
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  Speaker 6: open next to the bank, then drifted to fly through there,
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  Speaker 6: cut a nice trout.
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  Speaker 1: I'll show you a picture sometime really.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's cool. Excellent job, right yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. Got got a whole lot going
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  Speaker 2: on right now. My life's kind of in turmoil.
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  Speaker 7: Really, we're kind of just stuck in a weird time
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  Speaker 7: right now. Like for tex I know, well, the weather's
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  Speaker 7: not great for anything.
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  Speaker 2: It's like between seasons. It's like Turkey season's way off.
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  Speaker 2: But the one good thing about this weather is super
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: nice weather is I was forced by my family to
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: I was going to do a marathon, my first marathon
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  Speaker 2: in September.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was informed that that training program would be
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  Speaker 2: way too disruptive to our summer activities because like every
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: week and I got to do some long ass run,
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  Speaker 2: you can't go anywhere, can't go fishing camp and all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. So I bumped it up to June, to
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  Speaker 2: the Missoula Marathon late June. So it's like throwing my
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  Speaker 2: whole life off.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you're able to train at the moment at least. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: How are you feeling about it?
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  Speaker 2: Good? Little nervous, but good, but a little nervous.
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  Speaker 1: You're feeling like you're getting prepared.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I got five months, so it's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Most marathon plants are either sixteen or twenty weeks, so
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  Speaker 2: I've got over twenty. I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: You got to be good.
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  Speaker 2: But now it's real, like September seems so far off,
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  Speaker 2: and June's like right there. Anyway, we got more important
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  Speaker 2: stuff to talk about, namely the Boundary Waters. Our first
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: guest today is Lucas Leif and Lucas is that the
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  Speaker 2: lead chef for Modern Carnivore and he's also contributed a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of his best wild game recipes to the Meat
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  Speaker 2: Eater website. In addition to that, Lucas is also the
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  Speaker 2: executive director of the conservation group Sportsman for the Boundary Waters,
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  Speaker 2: and he's gonna he's here to talk to us today
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  Speaker 2: about the most recent congressional assault on one of America's
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  Speaker 2: most cherished wild places, which is Minnesota's Boundary Waters. Canoe area,
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  Speaker 2: like the Boundary Waters have been threatened before, managed to
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  Speaker 2: fight those threats off, but this one, this time, it's
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  Speaker 2: like serious. And before we get to the interview with Lucas,
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  Speaker 2: like for anyone who's not familiar, I want to give
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  Speaker 2: you guys a quick background on the on the Boundary
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  Speaker 2: Waters that's going to help you understand what the steaks
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  Speaker 2: are here. The Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness is a
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  Speaker 2: one point one million acre ftterally protected wilderness area in
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  Speaker 2: northeastern Minnesota Superior National Force. It's big. I think Yellowstone
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  Speaker 2: is two million, so you know, a million acre is
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  Speaker 2: a big chunk of land. It's the most visited wilderness
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  Speaker 2: area in the United States, has five lakes, twelve hundred
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  Speaker 2: plus miles of canoe routes, and it offers backcountry canoeing, hunting, fishing, hiking,
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  Speaker 2: and winter activities. It's like this vast, very pristine network
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  Speaker 2: of interconnected waterways that provide really good fishing for walleye pike,
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  Speaker 2: smallmouth bass, lake trout. And the area also encompasses our
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  Speaker 2: southernmost boreal forest that harbors you know, you can hunt waterfowl,
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  Speaker 2: black bears, spruce, and rough grause snowshoe hairs and white
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  Speaker 2: tailed deer, and they're white tail deer that have never
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  Speaker 2: seen a corn pile, so they're pretty cool. And the
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  Speaker 2: reason we're talking about all this is because the boundary
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  Speaker 2: waters is threatened by this massive sulfide or copper mine
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  Speaker 2: that's proposed on the banks of the South Koishi Koishawe
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  Speaker 2: River and Birch Lake, and sulfide ore mining in the
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  Speaker 2: United States has a like a long, dark history of
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  Speaker 2: causing significant environmental damage. There's like something seems to always
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  Speaker 2: go wrong with these mines. They're like you can look
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  Speaker 2: it up. There's plenty of examples. You google it and
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  Speaker 2: you'll see all these examples across the United States where
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  Speaker 2: these mines have just caused irreversible damage to habitat, polluting streams, lakes,
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  Speaker 2: drinking water supplies with heavy metals and other toxins. Hard
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  Speaker 2: rock mining is the most generally regarded as the most
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  Speaker 2: toxic industry in America, and hydrologists say that pollution from
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  Speaker 2: mining in this area is like it's inevitable, it's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to talk to Lucas. Lucas you on
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  Speaker 2: the line.
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  Speaker 8: I sure, am, thanks guys for having me and Brody
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  Speaker 8: you really you nailed that intro man.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks. Thanks. Before we get into the Boundary Waters, let's
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  Speaker 2: first talk about who Sportsman for the Boundary Waters is
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  Speaker 2: and what you guys do.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so, I mean, you know, Sportsmen for the Boundary
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  Speaker 9: Waters was founded you know, roughly a decade ago, uh,
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  Speaker 9: mainly as the hunting and angling voice for the area,
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  Speaker 9: for protections of the area, for the world class hunting
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  Speaker 9: and fishing opportunities that it holds, like you talked about,
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  Speaker 9: but also you know, to you know, to work and
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  Speaker 9: prevent this proposed copper nickel mind that you were talking
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  Speaker 9: about by Twin Metals, which is a subsidiary of Anna Fagasta,
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  Speaker 9: which is a Chilean mining conglomerate.
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  Speaker 8: So that's one of our kind of key issues that
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  Speaker 8: we work on.
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  Speaker 9: And we also have a pretty robust stewardship and habitat
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  Speaker 9: program so on the ground projects working with you know,
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  Speaker 9: state and national you know partners and coalitions as well.
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  Speaker 2: Great. So obviously this seems Randall. Randall was trying to
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: play music over here.
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I was trying to hop into the chat.
• 12:41
  Speaker 8: I really liked.
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  Speaker 2: Okay Lucas, So like obviously too. Like most people, I
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  Speaker 2: would say, this seems like a real shitty place to
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  Speaker 2: to put it sulfide or mining operation. So can you
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  Speaker 2: lay out why Congress approved stripping protections from the boundary waters.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's been a very part is an
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  Speaker 9: issue for a long time, right. You know, supporters of
• 13:17
  Speaker 9: the mountain are hoping for you know, protect projected jobs
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  Speaker 9: and you know, royalties to the states, you know, touting
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  Speaker 9: the idea for showing up you know, domestic critical minerals dominance.
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  Speaker 9: But it really is like a terrible place for this,
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  Speaker 9: as you alluded to, right, it's extremely water rich environment,
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  Speaker 9: he said. The super National Forest SUPIRIT National Force holds
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  Speaker 9: twenty percent of the fresh water in the entire National
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  Speaker 9: forest system, huge interconnected, water rich area. It is just
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  Speaker 9: a terrible spot for it. Right on the shores of
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  Speaker 9: Birch Lake, you know, miles away from the boundary waters,
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  Speaker 9: the headwaters of the area. And it's located, you know,
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  Speaker 9: north of the Laurentian Divide, so all the flows north
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  Speaker 9: that'd be through the boundary waters in and out of
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  Speaker 9: it up through Rainy Lake, you know, a great walleye
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  Speaker 9: fishery and and and others all the way up to
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  Speaker 9: Hudson Bay, also affecting parts of you know, the Canadian
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  Speaker 9: border waters you know you mentioned the Boundary water is
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  Speaker 9: one point one million acre as well. Uh, it's it's
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  Speaker 9: sister park uh in Canada. The Cutico is nearly the
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  Speaker 9: same size.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they border as well.
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  Speaker 2: So it would end up flowing downstream to that as well. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: exactly you said, Yes, you said it's a partisan issue,
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  Speaker 2: which is unfortunate, but you know the reality is is
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  Speaker 2: that the Republicans and Congress are the ones that push
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  Speaker 2: this thing through. It's right, and again like.
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  Speaker 1: Is this like.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, like is this come down to money?
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  Speaker 9: I mean for it's hard to say, right, Like you know,
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  Speaker 9: quick background, you know what what this and we can
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  Speaker 9: get into the House. Resolution that was introduced by Representative
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  Speaker 9: Stobburn passed the House last week. But you know it's
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  Speaker 9: it's this resolution is meant to overturn a twenty year
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  Speaker 9: mining moratorium in nearly two hundred and twenty five thousand
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  Speaker 9: acres in that Rainy River watershed, the watershed that houses
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  Speaker 9: the Boundary Watershed National Forest, and that happened in January
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  Speaker 9: of twenty twenty three. So we're just right at about
• 15:32
  Speaker 9: the three year anniversary of those protections being put in place.
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  Speaker 9: And coincidentally, Anafagasta just got mined for not meeting regulations
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  Speaker 9: in one of its Chilean mines to the tune of
• 15:47
  Speaker 9: nearly eight hundred thousand dollars this week too.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's crazy like whenever one of these these
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: huge mining operations pops up that's like environmentally questionable, it's
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  Speaker 2: like always a foreign mining company.
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  Speaker 8: That's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 9: And and a key point to put to point out
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  Speaker 9: here is is like and if I GASA, yes, Chilean
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  Speaker 9: mining conglomerate definitely has you know, certain ties to the
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  Speaker 9: current administration. It obviously, you know, is about money, but
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  Speaker 9: but it's also about tying into that you know, need
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  Speaker 9: for domestic critical minerals.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 9: The whole issue with that is is that those minerals,
• 16:32
  Speaker 9: once extracted, are going to be shipped overseas. There are
• 16:35
  Speaker 9: no there are no smelting operations on US soil that
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: are capable of taking care of that. And once werlds
• 16:42
  Speaker 9: end up, you know, on foreign and soil for processing,
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  Speaker 9: they just flood the global market with with no guarantee
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: that they're coming back.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to us. Yeah, no, no, we don't get anything.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I mean someone's getting something out of it, but.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, and you know, no one's saying that.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's a twenty year withdraw right.
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  Speaker 9: The whole the whole reason for that is to give
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: it time to find out whether or not it's bible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: potentially a technology catches up, who knows, But at the moment,
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  Speaker 9: as you said, there is no type. There is no
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  Speaker 9: project similar to this that has been done without polluting
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  Speaker 9: in some form. Yeah, and that's mostly arid environments too, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So like obviously this goes like way beyond a handful
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  Speaker 2: of hunters and anglers that are worried about like their spot. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So besides, like the clearly dangerous environmental risks, there's also
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  Speaker 2: could be a huge like a local and regional economic
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  Speaker 2: you know, component to what's at stake here, because the
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  Speaker 2: boundary water supports like seventeen thousand jobs and generates a
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: billion dollars in sales and income annually. So I I
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  Speaker 2: just wondered if you can hit on on that aspect
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  Speaker 2: of this at all, like what what like who would
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  Speaker 2: be the people that would be losing jobs losing money
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  Speaker 2: if this thing goes forward.
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  Speaker 9: Well, certainly, certainly all of the local businesses. You know,
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  Speaker 9: this the boundary waters and the surrounding areas are a
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  Speaker 9: huge economic driver for for all of those you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: local towns and cities. And you know, it's it's not
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: just those local businesses. I mean this trickles out everywhere
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: to the folks that are excited and buying gear to
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: you know, to go up and take the trips to
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: you know, to everything that's needed for a place like this. Yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: and for a trip to that you know, true backcountry
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: wilderness experience that anybody can you know, from a you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: an infant I just took, you know, the first time
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: I took my kids they were two, you know, all
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: the way up to somebody on their fiftieth anniversary.
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: That's you know, eighty five, right. It is truly accessible
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, yeah, And then you know, with with the
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: resolution and the unfortunate piece for that is, yes, it
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: did pass the House, and now it does you know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: move on to the Senate and real the real battle
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: is is hoping that we can turn this into a
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: bipartis an issue and that you know, this crosses the
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: isle and and we can have some Republican folks, you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: understand the implications of of what using the Congressional Review
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: Act for overturning a mineral draw really means not only
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: for the Bounty Waters but for similar protections across the
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: country too.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's I mean, that's the worrying aspect of it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Is like if the dominoes start falling after this, you know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: so it's going to the Senate, do you got to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: feel for what things are looking like there, like which
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: direction it's leaning or is it completely up in the air.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: You know, it's it's pretty up in the air.
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: The UH so, the Senate Parliamentarian still has to rule
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: on whether or not the usage of the CRA the
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: Congressional Review Act is lawful in this manner because traditionally
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: it's only been used for UH land management plans. This
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: is a federal action, so kind of an unprecedented UH
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: usage of the CRA. So we're hoping to hear what
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: that ruling may be and if it'll sway the movement
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: in the Senate as well. But at this moment it
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: has not been been taken up in the Senate. You know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: I think as everybody knows there's a lot a lot
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: else going on right now in Congress.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: What's what's the timing on it? Do you know when
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: they're going to get to it?
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: We certainly expect sooner than later. It moves so fast
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: through the House.
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: I mean we're talking an introduction, you know, less than
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: two weeks ago to passage last week, right like, so
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: it really slammed through and it had it certainly had
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: some help too, So we know that when it does
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: hit the Senate, they know they have the backing to
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: get it to move forward. So best case scenario is
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: that doesn't get the light of day and our states
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: do some work to ensure that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: It scares off the folks trying to get this.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: To move move forward in the Senate as well.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I know this is kind of like beating a dead
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: horse with all these kind of issues that come up,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: But what can people do to help stop it from happening?
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, this isn't a bluer red issue, man,
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: This is this is everybody. You know, this is the
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: time for us all to come together, you know, for
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: the places that we cherish and understand that it has
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: those broader implications for others. So it's not just a
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: Minnesota issue, it's a national issue. There are tons of
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: great organizations working on this. The best thing you can
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: do is call your senators. It doesn't matter if they're
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: Republican or Democrat. They need to hear from their constituents
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: that this is not the right place for this mind
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: and that this resolution should not move forward in the Senate.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: Making those phone calls, getting a meeting with your with
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: your senators if you can, and and hooking up and
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: joining conservation organizations that are working on this. Signing action
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: alerts that that a number have out right now. Almost
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: anything you can do is is most important right now.
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: It's all hands on deck.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and for people who are wondering, like it's
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: actually very easy to call your senator. It's it's not
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: like a painful long process. I wish we had a number,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: but you can look it up.
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: I know it, but there you go. Lay it on
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: us two zero two two four four.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: I think it's three one two.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: One, Okay, Well, well if if it's wrong, we'll figure
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it out.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: But I think don't chechnique.
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: But it connects you directly with the Capital switchboard and
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: the operator can put you directly in touch with your uh,
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: your senator's office.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually a pretty quick process. All right, before
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: before we let you go, Lucas, you are a chef,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: so we got to talk about food a little bit. Yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Giannis has given us the bird out there. This place
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is falling apart, man, like we announced that Radio Live
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: is going away, and the whole place is falling apart.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Sorry about this, Lucas is embarrassing. Give us like two
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: or three of your favorite recipes or preparations from fishing
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: game that that you typically would harvest in the boundary waters.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: If I'm in the boundary waters, sure should we do it?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Or if you brought something home from the boundary waters whatever.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: Well, I'll say, all right in camp, in camp, there
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: is nothing better than shoreline's lake trap cooked in bacon
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: grease on a cold day.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Are are you just.
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: Really lightly breaded with with the actual shore lunch? Otherwise,
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: like one that I that I'll use is just like
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: pulverized cheese. It's and use yellow mustard as a binder.
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Trust me, both they're great. But yeah, that that's one
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: of that's one of my favorites. Honestly, let me think, gosh.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: What about walleye? Same thing?
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I think you know, Walleyees are pretty
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: pretty lean fish. It cooks up really well in a
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: ton of different preparations. It's really good and like curries
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: and uhls I've done before.
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: It's called putin esca.
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: It's pretty rich, like olives, capers, anchovy, tomato based, you know.
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: But again, I mean, nothing better than a fried walleye
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: sandwich too.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Let's say you were up there and you shot yourself
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a rough grouse and you're like camping up there. What
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: would you do with it?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: First?
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: I'd let it sit for a little bit.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Are you do? You mean like, let it hang for
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: a while if you have.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: Time, I mean, yeah, you know, going going straight from
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: shot to the pan can can make things a little
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: bit difficult. But once that done, I honestly I pound
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: out the breasts and see them in a cast iron
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: with a little sauce over the fire, and take the
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: legs and probably braise them in something, you know, which
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: is just a really slow cook. If you have time,
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: you can take the carcass.
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: And make a stock, you know, to make a sauce,
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: just kind of use the whole thing, right, yep, take
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: me take maybe you know.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: The livers and hearts and grill them real quick, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: just use everything you have.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: God, it makes me want to go to the Boundary Waters.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you guys were talking about ice fishing earlier.
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: It is prime time right now.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys got cold, we didn't. You got all
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the cold we missed?
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: Man, Yeah, you can take you can take some. It's
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: been too cold.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Well listen, Lucas. Thanks thanks for chatting with us today
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: and keep us posted on what's going on with the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Boundary Waters. If there's anything we can do to help
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: get the message out, let us know.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I really appreciate it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: Spreading the word and just getting folks to take action
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: is super important.
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: So thank you so much for having me on today.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yep, thanks again. We'll talk soon. All right, moving on hopefully,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: hopefully we get some good news here soon. But we're
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: gonna move on to our crew hot tip off. Normally
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: we like to feature hot tip offs from our audience,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: but you guys have been kind of lame on submitting stuff.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's Brodie speaking. I think every tip we've gotten.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I'm saying like we're just not like we're not getting
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: many sent in right now. The folders pretty empty.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Certainly not a lot of show works something.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Come on, Phil, step it up, yeah, step it up.
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: You don't have Maybe the folks just don't want to
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: invest their time in the show that's going away.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Like get there, get their big prize.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: If you've been holding in those hot tips for the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: last year and a half.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, you're stuck with our hot hot tips,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: which we'll see they might only be lukewarm tips.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: To sell way to sell the segment, Brodie.
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm trying to get get through this, Randall, I'm sad.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, now I feel bad.
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: The way we're gonna do this is we're not like
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the you guys are gonna vote on the the winner.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: But it's like kind of hard for Phil to do
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: as we're we're doing the hot hot tips and compile
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: kind of who got the most vote, So we'll the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: second time we talk to you guys, that's that's at
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the end of the show. That's when we'll announce the winner.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So there'll be all this tension through the rest of
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, well that's not what I the plan was but
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like to keep you on your toe.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Brodie's to calling the shots today.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: It's my show, Phil, my show. So Seth Corey, which
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: one of you guys wants to go first? Oh?
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Seth, why don't you do the honors?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Sure, I'll go.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: I'm very curious.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: So when you're when you're out fishing and it's like
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: early spring, maybe later in the fall, water's cold, your
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: hands are getting cold because you're touching fish and whatnot.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: A thing you can do to help take the edge
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: off is wear a pair of night tild gloves. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: prefer black, but I ran out of my black ones,
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: so that this is the only thing I had laying around. H.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: I often wear those underneath a pair of fingerless gloves,
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: and it's just enough to take the edge off if
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: it's a little windy outside or whatnot. It's just enough
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: to take the edge off and keep your your fingers warm.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Aboutch that it works. I've done that running and you
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: peel those things off and they're full of sweat water warm.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I haven't tried that yet. And good for
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: the fish too, if you're handling right, These are good
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: gloves to handle fish.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just that little that little you know, barrier.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Barrier there keeps your fingers warm.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: How about tying knots?
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: That's yeah, it's a good thing because another plus is
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: that you like have the dexterity that you would lose
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: with like a fingered glove, a heavy finger glove.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Ye, my vote, bring it all of a sudden.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: All right, try and beat that one, Cory.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: My hot tip.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: I actually had a fun time a couple of months
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: ago making a video. I was hoping there was going
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: to be other crew submissions, but there haven't been any. So, uh, Phil,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: do you have my.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Video up there?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's bring it up. I didn't make a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: little title card for you, but I can just do
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it live here.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Corey Culcum, thank you for pronouncing it correctly.
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: Hi, I'm Corey Culkins. I got a hot tip for you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Anybody out there have one of these cheap foldable lifetime tables, Well,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: anybody ever tried to cut meat on these? And notice
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: that it's just a little short and you find yourself
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: hunched over all the time trying to cut up on
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: these short tables. I'm going to teach you if you
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: have one of these how to raise it up? So
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: first I need to figure out it's pretty long. How
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: much higher that i'd like it? So for me it
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: would be nice maybe if it was about belly button
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: height or higher. Then you're going to measure the distance
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: from the ground up to that little crossbar right there,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: which looks like it's Oh, I'm going to say ten inches.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: So I need four twenty two inch sections of this
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: pipe and get you a stick of.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: One of these one and a half inch.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: PBC pipes. Thanks. Two four.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: You should have just done the whole video that way.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Oh we lost the camera. I like to say, thank you. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: what a great film.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Then two at a time, you're gonna lift the table
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: and stick.
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: One on each corner.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: One, two, three, three, that's what.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Just like that, I've got a table. It's belly button height,
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: so I can start cutting meat not hurting my back.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Give it a try, man, that's good.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: We're all dead stuff in there, so I know my
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: garage is a mess right now. Everything's in my drift boat.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I only got one suggestion for Corey. Put some non
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: slip feet down there on the bottom.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I thought about that. I was concerned.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: But the angle of the feet that comes with the
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: table is so wide that it's like it's pretty grippy. Yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: so I don't know. It's just if you aren't able
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: to watch, get to your computer phone fast and go
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: watch that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: But uh, it's pretty self explained trying to.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Those tables are cheap and they're great you're at Costco
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: or Walmart, but they're always just a hair short and
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: I'm a short fellaw so and it's a cheap fix.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a cheap skate tip. Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, shout out to my buddy Phil, who actually came
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: up with that hot tip.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: This Phil, No, that's funny, Britty, Come on, don't get
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: mad Broadwater Street, Phil.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad. I just you think I can know
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: how to work a power tool my discusses.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: You could just find a chair and sit at your table.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Oh that's uncomfortable. Oh yeah, you can't do that cutting
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: up an elk for six seven. You'll get blood clothing,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: pass out from being dizzy.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm a little scared.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Mine's pretty simple, man. When you like, when you're brazing meat,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: cooking it in a liquid shank, roast whatever. Save the
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: brazing liquid to reuse it once you're done cooking it,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: and whatever you're doing. It doesn't matter, like what kind
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: of meal you're cooking. Strain that all that braizing liquid
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: after you cook it, so it's you know, you get
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: all the kind of scum and debris and stuff like
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that out of it. You'll get a pretty clear, you know, liquid,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and put it in a tupperware, a mason jar, whatever,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: freeze it. The next time you're going to braise stuff.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You get that stuff out thought out, dump it in there,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and you can do this over and over and over again,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and it just gets better every time. I got this
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: jar of what I call taco juice that's like three
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: It's like I've had it for like three years. Man.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I use it for making like turkey leg carneta, like
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: when I'm braizing turkey legs or whatever, like Mexican style,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and I just keep reusing that stuff and it gets
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: better and better, like you could eat it like soup.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: It's so good. So that's that's mine.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I like that. We We actually do that all the time.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, anytime we brace something, we run it through a
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: screen at the end and then freeze it and then
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: a lot of times we'll just pull it out, thaw
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: it out and just drink it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's good Man.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Make a gravy with it. Yep, anything anything great, great.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Four year old taco juice. That's my hot tip.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I bet that Scott's a flavor.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, random, you want to jump.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Winter it gets a bag of chips here, so hot tip.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Gosh, I don't know.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have come in here.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Hair style tips.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: We put you on the spot.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: It's okay, all come up with something some good.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Just give me.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So here's here's where the problem lies in your strategy, Brodie.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I uh, I think that the live chat can see
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: pole results before I announced them. I think it it
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: updates them live. So if I start the poll now,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the audience will already know what the results are, so
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: we might as well just announce them soon, dam it, Phil,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the landslide or what.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I'll start to build up some tension here.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Can we just edit this part out, Phil.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Where you don't come up with them. The radio lives
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it doesn't exist, so this is pre taped.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: You're right, all right? Whatever?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Phil?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I thought you were like, all right?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Starting the poll and Randall is one of the offensive randal.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: You have about thirty seconds to come up with a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: hot tip. Go oh god, people are voting already the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: longer hurry.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Randall, flat tires, shooting pistols.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, when you go to the.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Range and the range being an empty piece of public
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: land where you shoot, bring a rake so you don't
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: have to pick up individual brass cases by the thousands.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yep, preach. Yeah, we were shooting last weekend randal was
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like we should have brought a rake.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Yeh, we had because we littered the ground.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Any suggestions on a type of rake, metal, rake, plastic.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: I would think just something with the teeth rather close together,
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: because like a two two three case, you know, if
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: it gets the long way in there, you could see
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: it sliding through.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: But I don't know if that's really hot tip.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: We also thought we should just shoot steelcased Ammo and
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: he's a magnet, but I don't I haven't tried it yet,
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: so I don't know if it's hot tip. To think
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: of it, I actually haven't used the rake tip either, so.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I'll add a hot tip to your hot tip. Geez,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: you guys are getting pick up your damn brass.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, don't, don't be a garbage person.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You want to follow up hot tip Randal based on
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: this question you got Garrett asking what's the advantage of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: opening FreeDOS from the bottom of the bag as opposed
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to the top.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, you get at them faster if you're holding the
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: bag upside down, and that's what. Plus it's I if
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: you're self conscious about what you're eating and you don't
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: want people to be able to read the label, hold
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: it upside down. They'll think maybe it's some sort of
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: foreign food and you're a fancy person that buys like
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: worded snacks.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Here's another hot tip.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: Take fritos on your back on your trips because they're
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: high in calories and you can start fires with them.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: Into you can mix them into like a if you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: if you have a freeze dried chili or stew or
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: anything like that, like a Mexican mash as I like
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: to call most of the Mountainhouse Southwestern meals.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: You just dump your Frido's in there. You're gonna be
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: living like a king.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter if they get all mashed up in your pack.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Thirty more seconds on the pole. How many hot tips
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you're going now are thrilling.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, My hot tips are layered.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Corey Bird, you want to throw any additional ones in
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: there to try to juice your numbers here?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: No, man, don't hurt your sand on mine.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: All right, well, forty percent of the vote. The winner
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: today is Randall William What we took his away? Who was? Yea?
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Coryne God, thanks everybody.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, Randall, shout out to the crew.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: And by the crew, I mean, the chat must have
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: been that editing you guys.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Do we got any other feedback?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: We want to go doing feedback right now?
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Do a couple.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Sure? I I I will just say something really quick
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: based on some comments. I do not speak for meat
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: eater or Steve or TRCP. Putting a sitting US representative
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: on the podcast is not platforming them. So if you're
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: if anything, it lets them speak more to things and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you can hold them accountable for it come election season
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: or when you call your representatives and senators. So anyway,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: that's all I have to say about that. They already
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: have a pretty big platform, and they're writing the legislation.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Different than them going on the news exactly.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, when Rachel Maddow has Josh Holly on, it's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: not we're not platforming him, We're letting him talk or
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: vice versa. Let's do something sure, Jackson Reedy says, when
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I cook shanks in the the tendons turn gelatinous but
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: usually sticks to the meat and doesn't add much moisture
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but just leaves an unpleasant texture. What am I doing wrong?
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Hmmmm?
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: Just think about your joints when you're eating that gelatinous stuff.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: That's good for you if it's not turning like almost liquidy.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: I don't know, like what your process is for cooking them,
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: but I would try maybe going a little less temperature
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: and quite a bit longer.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's stuck to the meat, might just need
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: some more time.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that stuff. Oh it's good.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Will I know what he means?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: It can take Sometimes it doesn't get where you want
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: it to get.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Will meat Theater continue to exist when Radio Live ends?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Give me meat Theater, give me death Randall.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: You know, meat Theaters you're starting as a fever dream
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: in my mind and it will always live there. But
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: if you are a fan of meat theater, be sure
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: to tune into the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Spectacular.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Live on what date?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Phil March fifth?
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: March fifth, You won't be disappointed.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: We should make merch for this final episode.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: I think we're going to find an investor just comes
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: in and buys the concept.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can sell the concept. There's some questions of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: regarding the news show and will it be live. Noe,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the new show will not be live. That's that's kind
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: of the whole point is just so we can Steve
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: can talk about stuff whenever he wants. We can drop
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: it quickly.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Oh no, this guy says the rake doesn't work.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Uh, oh, dang it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: I've got a big I've got a big canvas drop
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: cloth like for painting that I used as a floor
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: in the wall tent this fall. Next time we go out,
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: we should just spread that out on the ground and
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: do all of our shooting.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Thing we just rolled up like a like a rug.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like when a hit man kills someone
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: on axter it up.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, blood and everything.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: Randall and I have been throwing on the idea of
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: starting the Meat Eater Intermural Pistol League.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: It's called the it's called the me e p Lee
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: for short.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: So questions about about drops and uh stuff like that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I will in the first week of March. I will
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: put together a strung together medley of all of my
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: drops and really put it on the Reddit or somewhere
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: where you guys, you weirdos, can download it.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Can you put it on Spotify or will you get dinged?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't think I can do Spotify, but yes,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it's got to be kind of under the radar.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Phil, we we got Jeremy waiting for us.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: We actually don't. He's not in his chair right now.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this guy loves Jeremy Romero, like we got
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to bring him in now, Okay, all right, up next,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: we've got Jeremy Romero from the National Wildlife Federation. You
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: might have seen Jeremy hunt with Steve on the Meat
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Eater television show. I think you guys did a couple
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: of different shows, uh down there in New Mexico. But
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: if not, go watch that. And I can personally vouch
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: for for Jeremy's status as as an all around good guy.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: He's a hard working wildlife conservationist. He helps out me
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: and Steve on the Youth Deer Hunt and and this,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: this should tell you everything you need to know. About him.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: He sleeps in a tool shed with the minks at
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Steve's fish shed.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: He's a good stick.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he like he may have been the guy
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: who introduced a slow pitch jigging to Southeast Alaska.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the og pitch.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: How's that for buttering you up, Jeremy?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, audio problems. He sounded great right before this.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I can keep buttering and I appreciate the compliments.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Hey, Jeremy, really really quick. We are getting audio from you,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: but it sounds like it's coming out of a tin
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: can and we can't understand a word you're saying. So
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna boot you from the call, and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you want to try to hop back in.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: I no boot him.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Well he can.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: See, Oh yeah, kick from the studio.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna we're gonna try this again. I
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: kind of like this show is ending free wheeling spirit.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: We got going when the wheels are just falling off.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: It was so buttoned up before, but now we really
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: show our true colors, loosen our calls. It's kind of
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like when you put your two weeks a little bit.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: We actually got we got solid numbers, right. Oh, we
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: need him back, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the Kay,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: let's try again.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: All the hard work is ahead of us.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: You think, Jeremy, want to give us a few words.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Here, any any better? Okay, guy that no worries why.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: That was was messing up, But I should have just
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: stayed quiet with all those things. You guys are. Yeah, yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: that was nice.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it all.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Right now, now that you're feeling all good about yourself,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about state wildlife commissions
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and their role in guiding the rules and regulations that
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: are set forth by state fish and game agencies. I
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people maybe aren't aware of how
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: these things work in regards to the regulations that you
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: got to follow in any given state. A lot of
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: people are like, you know, fishing, game or parks and wildlife,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: they do this or they do that. But in a
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: lot of cases, it's like they're doing these things at
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the behest of what state wildlife commissions kind of like
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: how they steer them into a into a particular management strategy. So, Jeremy,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: give us a quick breakdown of what a state wildlife
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: commission is and who they're supposed to represent, as far
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: as different user groups and stakeholders and then and then
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: like how they actually end up guiding the policies of
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: state fishing game agencies.
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you bet, And first of all, thanks for having
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: me on the show. You know, you bring up a
• 45:15
  Speaker 10: really good point, and a lot of people don't quite understand,
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: you know what, and you know what game commissions do
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: and game commissioners and their responsibilities and roles with working
• 45:25
  Speaker 10: with the with the Department of Game and Fishes and so,
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: you know, I think it's important to note that these
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: commissioners are tasked with setting the rules and regulations as
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: you mentioned, you know, hunting dates, as well as quota
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: limits and things like usable weapon type. They're also tasked
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: with hiring and overseeing managing the directors of the departments,
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: deputy directors. It kind of goes, it kind of varies
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: depending on the state and how the department is made up.
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: But they also are tasked with, you know, receiving a
• 46:01
  Speaker 10: lot of that public input and trying to incorporate that
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: into management level decisions. But at the end of the day,
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: the folks that work with the departments, they propose different ideas,
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: different recommendations as far as like the rules changes, policy changes,
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: and at the end of the day, the game, the
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: game and fish commissions are the ones that are tasked
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: with voting to finally approve or adopt those measures that
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: go into those proclamations that you see that you know,
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: identify hunt dates, species types, weapon types, et cetera. So
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: they play a pretty important role. And you know, most
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: states the number of commissioners is different, but a lot
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: of times what I've seen is, you know, in that
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: five to seven range, and they really they are really
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: tasked with an important role of well, we're seeing the
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: game agencies and they have budgets, improving budgets, all that
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: those types.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: And generally they they're supposed to represent different user groups
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and stakeholders, correct, Like there will be like a commissioner
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: that represents the ranching community, There'll be a commissioner that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: represents like outfitters and guides. They'll be a commissioner that
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: represents like wildlife biology, et cetera, et cetera. Like that
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: is that correct?
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's exactly right. So usually you see a few
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: at large seats. So people fill in those commission roles
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: for various reasons, but a lot of times, by law,
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: those commissioners have to represent those different stakeholder groups or
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: those different demographics. And so, as you mentioned, you'll have
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: a a rancher or a farmer on the commission you'll
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: have a hunter and angler. In some instances, you'll have
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: an indigenous member from a federally recognized tribe. And sometimes
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: you'll have seats that are filled based off of geography
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: in different states. And so you know, it's importing to
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: point out that in most situations, in most states across
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: our country, commissioners are appointed at the discretion of the governors.
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: So you have a new governor that comes in office
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: newly elected, and they essentially appoint a new slate of commissioners.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: And the hope would be.
• 48:18
  Speaker 10: That those that the governor or the overseeing body points
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: those commissioners that are qualified to serve in these roles right,
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: qualified or knowledgeable and doing so represent the best interests
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: of hunters, anglers and wildlife management.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Right, Yep, that's not always the case.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's let's kind of pause. I don't I
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: don't want you to roll too far ahead of us yet.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I was I was gonna you already answer my question,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: which is how our wildlife commissioners chosen most of the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: time their governor appointees, and I want to address that
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: before you before we move on. In states like Colorado, Washington,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you may have some other examples that use this system
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: where these people are appointed directly by the governor.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: We've seen.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Wildlife commissioners who are like openly anti hunting end up
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: on these commissions, and these are the people who end
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: up shaping the policy at least can like affect the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: policy of state fish and game agencies. Is there any
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: do you have any other state examples you're aware of
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: that were, like, you know, in Washington, things happened like
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: spring bear hunting got outlawed. In Colorado, the wildlife commissioners
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: got involved with things like the wolf free introduction in
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: ways that probably weren't in the best interests of hunters,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: anglers and wildlife management.
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: Sure, yeah, I mean, you guys have done a phenomenal
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: job of what's been happening in Colorado and Washington, and
• 50:07
  Speaker 10: there really aren't whole lot of examples. You know, we'll
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: touch on kind of what's happened in New Mexico. But
• 50:13
  Speaker 10: the other one that comes to mind, which wasn't exactly
• 50:15
  Speaker 10: you know, the full responsibility, responsibility of the Game Commission.
• 50:19
  Speaker 10: But we saw you know, in New Jersey with the
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: black bear hunting and trying to reduce black bear hunting.
• 50:24
  Speaker 10: That wasn't all the Commission's fault, but it was very
• 50:26
  Speaker 10: much a politically driven effort. So you can you can
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: you know, say that it was indirectly, you know, attributed
• 50:33
  Speaker 10: to to commission level impact.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 50:35
  Speaker 10: You you bring up an important point, which is sometimes
• 50:39
  Speaker 10: you'll have commissioners that are pointed by the governor that
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: just do not serve the best interests of the hunting, hunting, angling,
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: or wildlife management communities. But there's also the flip side, right,
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: the flip side is that you have these qualified commissioners
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: that do represent you know, the hunting, angling and wildlife
• 50:57
  Speaker 10: management world. But at the same time, when they bring
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: up controversial topics that you know, the hunting, hunting and
• 51:05
  Speaker 10: angling community want to see brought up, sometimes they're removed.
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: Sometimes they're removed from those seats, right, any valid justification whatsoever.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's at the will of the governor.
• 51:17
  Speaker 10: Right, correct, Yeah, absolutely, And so I can get into,
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: you know a little bit of what New Mexico did
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: to help.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that. Your home state is New Mexico,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and up until this past year, New Mexico's wildlife commissioners
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: were appointed by the governor. But a bill recently passed
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: in New Mexico that mandates that the commissioners be selected
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: through a different process. So can you explain what the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: process in New Mexico will be going forward and whether
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you think that's going to be an improvement on the
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: current like governor appointed system.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: So last year New Mexico munch conservation organizations came together,
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: formed a coalition and pursued a bill. It's called Senate
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: Bill five. It was the title of it was Game
• 52:08
  Speaker 10: Commission Reform. There was a lot in that bill, so
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: i'll just quickly touch on it. Part of it was
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: renaming the wildlife the Game and Fish Agency to Department
• 52:17
  Speaker 10: of Wildlife. Changed the mission of that increased license fees,
• 52:21
  Speaker 10: which were much needed for game and fish agencies. Our
• 52:24
  Speaker 10: licenses in New Mexico hadn't been increased and I want
• 52:27
  Speaker 10: to say around twenty years, so you know, kind of
• 52:30
  Speaker 10: meeting current cost of living and inflation and adjusting those
• 52:33
  Speaker 10: prices accordingly, bringing in more funds to the agency. But
• 52:37
  Speaker 10: the most important piece and the most important piece that's
• 52:39
  Speaker 10: relevant to this conversation was, you know, the section of
• 52:43
  Speaker 10: the bill that reformed kind of the way our Wildlife
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: Commission is created, and so the Wildlife Commission will still
• 52:52
  Speaker 10: have seven voting members. Instead of being appointed by the governor,
• 52:58
  Speaker 10: there is now a a Wildlife Commission nominating committee. So
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: this is a little bit of another layer of protection
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: that insulates these commissioners from just being appoint for specific
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: government interest or governor interests.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Who who makes up that committee? Is it state legislat
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: members from the state legislature or who.
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: So there are members of the state legislature. There's also
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: the the director, the directors from both of the which
• 53:30
  Speaker 10: isn't it's actually pretty cool. The directors from you know,
• 53:33
  Speaker 10: the wildlife conservation biology, wildlife wildlife biology programs at both
• 53:40
  Speaker 10: of the universities in New Mexico, the large largest university,
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: so University of New Mexico and New Mexico State University,
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: as well as some of the directors from the agencies
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: within the state government. So I want to say it
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: was you know, the director of or secretary of uh
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: UH Energy and Minerals, natural Resources, those those types of roles.
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: So it's a pretty comprehensive list of folks that formed
• 54:07
  Speaker 10: that nominating committee.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Great, so now now you'll have this new process and
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and in your opinion, do you think it's going to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: be an improvement on how the Commission is able to
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: act in the best interests of the people in New
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Mexico and the wildlife in the.
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: Percent one hundred percent? And you know in that criteria
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: for appointing those new those new members to a nominating committee,
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: they have some some restrictions to do so. Right, So
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: there's a seven, uh, you know, seven commission members, of
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: which three of them are at large. So really they
• 54:44
  Speaker 10: can be nominated for a lot of different reasons. You know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 10: one of the members has to be from a federally
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: recognized tribe that represents you know, tribal interests. No more
• 54:56
  Speaker 10: than two members can be affiliated with the same political
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: Already those initial three at large members. The remaining four
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: one of them has to be a farmer or ranter
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: who actively farms or ranches where two big game species
• 55:12
  Speaker 10: are frequently present.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Cool, right, Not someone who's who's.
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: A rancher or a farmer that has you know, political
• 55:21
  Speaker 10: interests or ties to an administration. They have to be
• 55:24
  Speaker 10: in an area where big game are present, so that's employant.
• 55:27
  Speaker 10: Another member has it has to be a conservationist working
• 55:31
  Speaker 10: from a conservation organization that has been employed in the
• 55:35
  Speaker 10: conservation field for at least four years. The other one
• 55:39
  Speaker 10: has to be a hunter and angler or you know,
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: it could be both, and they had to have had
• 55:44
  Speaker 10: a license, a hunting and fishing license.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: For four years.
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: And then the last person is a scientist who holds
• 55:52
  Speaker 10: at least a master's degree in wildlife biology, conservation biology,
• 55:56
  Speaker 10: fishery science, et cetera. And termal limits those commissioners are
• 56:02
  Speaker 10: six year terms and they can only serve two terms.
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: So you know that and of itself creates a buffer
• 56:10
  Speaker 10: from being able to be with you know, appointed for
• 56:13
  Speaker 10: a lot of different interests. That brings a lot of
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: knowledge and expertise and you know, quite frankly qualified individuals
• 56:21
  Speaker 10: to serve on these seats. And then the other important
• 56:24
  Speaker 10: piece of that legislation was it is it prevented the
• 56:28
  Speaker 10: way it was initially written. Was it created a much
• 56:31
  Speaker 10: more formal process for a governor to remove a commission member.
• 56:36
  Speaker 10: You know, eight years ago we had two commissioners, a
• 56:39
  Speaker 10: chair and the vice chair of the commission here in
• 56:41
  Speaker 10: New Mexico. That brought up some topics that were controversial.
• 56:45
  Speaker 10: I think those topics, in my opinion, were, you know,
• 56:47
  Speaker 10: we're within the best interest of of helping hunting and
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: hunters and anglers in New Mexico. As a result of
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: those efforts, the governor overnight removed those commissioners.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's the best thing about this
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: is it kind of puts a roadblock in the way
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: of a governor who might want to like push their
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: own agenda through the state Fishing Game Agency, like like
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: we've seen in states like Colorado. It kind of it
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: puts a stopper on that, which is, in my opinion,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: a really good thing.
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: In these in these processes where you have commissioners representing,
• 57:29
  Speaker 10: you know, what's best for the hunting and angling and
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: wildlife management world. You know, you want those checks and balances.
• 57:36
  Speaker 10: You don't want, you know, a governor to remove commissioner
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: because they're doing the right thing. You know, you you
• 57:43
  Speaker 10: don't want commissioners serving in these roles for reasons other
• 57:47
  Speaker 10: than you know, the best interests of the hunting, angling
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: and wildlife management worlds. So it really is a good thing.
• 57:54
  Speaker 10: I hope other states, you know, adopt these measures to
• 57:57
  Speaker 10: really you know, insulate their com miss to best serve
• 58:01
  Speaker 10: members of those states.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of this goes into effect next.
• 58:07
  Speaker 10: Year, so we're really going to get to see when
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: you know, as rubber as rubber meets the road, what
• 58:12
  Speaker 10: this looks like. But I I imagine that it's going
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: to be nothing but good news for for the state
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: of New Mexico, and hopefully other states see it as
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: a as a model and start to adopt it if
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: they don't already have a similar model, you know, in place.
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: The one thing I did want to mention Brody was,
• 58:29
  Speaker 10: you know, in that in that section to remove a commissioner,
• 58:33
  Speaker 10: there was a lengthy section there that provided more of
• 58:37
  Speaker 10: that formal, you know process to remove a commissioner, and
• 58:42
  Speaker 10: at the time the governor ended up vetowing or mind
• 58:45
  Speaker 10: vetoing a lot of that section to the only remaining
• 58:48
  Speaker 10: So the only remaining section there for the removal process
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: is a commissioner can be removed if it is deemed
• 58:58
  Speaker 10: that they are and you know, if they're illustrating incompetence
• 59:02
  Speaker 10: and you know, neglect of duty or malfeasance in that
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: in that office. Now there's similar efforts in this legislative
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: session to kind of reinsert that language. So there's a
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: much more formal process that has to go through the
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: courts if in fact, it is deemed that a commissioner
• 59:19
  Speaker 10: should be removed. So that's that's important piece worth noting,
• 59:22
  Speaker 10: and I think it provides those different layers of of uh,
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: you know, oversight before something like that happens.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: One last thing about these state wildlife commissions that I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: want to I want you to talk about that again.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: People may not be aware of like these people you
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: should look at them almost like one of your congressional
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: representatives or state legislature represents, Like they're there to represent you,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: they work for you. So and people may not be
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: aware that they can interact with these people and communicate
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: with them. And so I just just wanted you to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: touch on how people can do that, how can they
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: let their voices be heard to these these state wildlife commissions.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 10: And it's it's incredibly important that people understand that they
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: can connect with these these commissioners. Why because a lot
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 10: of times these commissioners represent those constituents, right, So if
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: there's an issue that you're facing, if there's a problem
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: or even an opportunity in your areas, or something you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: do when it comes to hunting and fishing, like being
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: able to communicate that to a commissioner so they can
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: then also carry a little bit of that way and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 10: advocate it at the department level is important and so
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: you know, most game and phish websites have a commission
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: page where it identifies all the different commissioners that are
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: sitting in those seats, provides contact information, usually their email.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 10: You can reach out to them via via email and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 10: express your concern, concerns, frustrations, or you know, commend them
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 10: for the good work there they could they could be doing.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 10: Another important resource a way to commission to communicate with
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: those commissioners is at the public meeting level. Most state
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 10: game departments have public commission meetings. You know, this is
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: where those rules and regulations and setting budgets and approving
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 10: them and you know, hearing from what the department wants
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 10: to do.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: But needs that approval. This is the this is the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: setting for that.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 10: And so most of these commission meetings are publicly advertised
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: via the game department's websites.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: You can go and attend these meetings.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 10: There's also and I would say all of the meetings
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 10: there's a carve out for public participation where you can
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 10: go up there, you know, and talk about the issues
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 10: that are that are most concerning to you. And at
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: the end of the day, if you don't you don't
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 10: feel comfortable doing that in a public setting, you can
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 10: at least introduce yourself and meet the commissioners you know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 10: in person at these at these commission level meetings. And
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 10: I would say those those two are probably the most
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 10: important ways to communicate with your commissioners to hope we
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: see the work, the good work be done and reflect
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 10: the best interests of the hunting and angling and wildlife
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 10: management communities.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll they'll often be like, uh, like a question, comment, opinion,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: like survey type thing attached to those meetings that you
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: can fill out too, And and that goes to those
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: commissioners as well.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 10: The only the only thing I want to point out,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 10: it's the commission is you know, with the current attacks
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 10: that you've seen hunting and angling at the at the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: commission levels, not only important commissioners, that's that's an important piece,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 10: but also reaching out to the different you know, to
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 10: the agencies directly as well as to the different conservation
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 10: organizations that.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: Are that are advocating for these bills.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 10: Are you know, working day and night to see you know,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 10: commission reform take place like it's worth it's waiting to
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 10: reach out and support those organizations because those are the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 10: ones that are going to go to bat for you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 10: on issues like this, and they're you know, the tip
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 10: of the speer when it comes to seeing legislation like
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 10: what happened in New Mexico get over the finish line.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 10: So I want to emphasize, you know, reaching out and
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 10: supporting those conservational organizations because they do play a critical
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 10: role in the school this whole piece.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yep, for sure, organizations like yours, New Mexico Wildlife Federation
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, But any of them, you know, b h A,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: they're they're all, they're all working for you. So absolutely
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: all right, Jeremy, we got to move on. But thanks
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: for thanks for joining us today and talking to us.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 10: Thanks guys for having me. I got to go get
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 10: some lunch after hearing Lucas talk about that. Yeah, delays
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 10: and curry and smash grass breast. I gotta go eat,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 10: but I appreciate you all for letting me chat with
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 10: you today and I look for the rest of the show.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Thanks man.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Thanks Jeremy, all right, you learn anything there? I always
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: learned something when I'm around Jeremy.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: All right, man, this one, I'm hoping it'll be fun.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do some some fan emails and we'll try
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: and you know, get some feedback from the crew here.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: This is This is one that I think is very
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: interesting and I'll read through it here for you guys.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: This is coming from Peter in Vancouver Island, British Columbia.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Family members and I have been traveling northeast Montana each
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: fall to hunt pheasants for about fifteen years. We've done
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: our homework, scoping out habitat, establishing relationships with landowners. It's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: been a great time, but changes our foot recently past
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Senate Bill five fourteen. We'll give Montana residents a head
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: start on the season by ten days. My cohort and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I obviously think this is a bad idea. We will
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: probably head to North Dakota for next season opener. I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: think this is a good one for your show to tackle,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: including why the state doesn't give preferential treatment to residents
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: for fishing. Quite certain, the same folks from western Montana
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: clamoring for preferential treatment for upland hunting in eastern Montana
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: would strongly oppose such a change strictly for economic reasons. Okay,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: this guy is bummed that he can't hunt the dumb
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: young of the year birds anymore before they get shot at. Like,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: I get it, I pheasn't hunt. They're a lot easier
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: to kill in the first week of the season. Like,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: I'll let everyone waigh in, but I'm gonna say one
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: thing to this guy first, And I'm not trying to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: be confrontational. It's just the reality of like being a
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: non resident, I cannot go to British Columbia and hunt
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: big game unless I hire a guide, like preferential treatment
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: for right, It's just the way things work. As far
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: as his fishing thing, like fishing and hunting, it's like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: you can't compare it. It's like apples and orners. But
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example where resident anglers are highly
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: prioritizized over non redsid and that's Alaska. Like we deal
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: with it every year, man, Like the limits are very
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: strict compared to what residents can do for many species
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: of fish, so states do in some cases prioritize residents
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: for fishing, and like it or not, this is just
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: like a larger trend that's been going on across Western
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: states for the last several years. The fact is, like,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: no state is under the obligation to provide equal access
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: and opportunity to that state's game resources to non residents,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: like they're just not states could be a state could
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: be like, we're not letting any resident, non residence hunt here.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: The reason these things, these things happen is because state
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: fish and game agencies and wildlife commissions, like we just
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: talked about, they're under an obligation to try and satisfy
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: they're resident hunters, Like they got to keep those people happy.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: They need the money from non resident license sales, like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. But there's a social component
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: to this, and that's that residents get priority and their
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: satisfaction with their experience is important. You've seen this happen
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: over the past few years. Colorado no longer issues over
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: the counter archery l licenses to non residents. Wyoming Colorado
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: cut non resident rifle draw tags pretty significantly. Montana reduced
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: non resident mule deer tags. So, like, this is a
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: thing that's that's been happening across the West and it
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: and it is the result of kind of how residents
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: feel about their hunting experience. I feel for you, like
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I understand it, but uh, you know, I'm kind of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: like it is what it is.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I understand why you'd go to North Dakota, but you
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: know it's ten days out of a three month long season.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: If you want to continue to hunt Montana, you could
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: you're just missing the first ten days of the season.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have any thoughts.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I agreed, you nailed it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're spot on. I mean, North Dakota is probably
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: going to see a little influx if a lot of
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: folks in these same shoes as this fella. But I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: don't know, think of the positives. Like you said, it
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: is what it is. So opening day won't be as chaotic,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: right that next week might be that much easier and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: you might find just as many birds, especially if you've
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: done your homework and you got places to hunt.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: There could be like some minor economic impacts to small
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: towns out in eastern Montana that you know, may not
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: get you know, people coming into the restaurants or the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: campgrounds or what are as many you know, I will
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: say that the pheasant opener coincides with the antelope opener,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know how much of an
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: impact it's going to have a.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Busy weekend randal, you got nothing there?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, I just.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's kind of baked into the system,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: and uh, you know, obviously, like there's no perfect balance.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that would look like.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: If you know, I'm sure there's somebody who lives in
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: a state with real bad hunting and fishing, although I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: think there's you can always find like everywhere has something
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: to offer. But if everybody could buy a resident license
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: in Montana, that wouldn't work, right, And we can't shut
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: out and on a residence completely, Like I wouldn't want
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: to do that, but you're always going to have to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: find some middle ground between those two extremes.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: It's true. The overall trend.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: Is that non resident opportunities are declining across the West,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: and yeah, like I'm affected by that as well, like
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: states where I have bonus points and preference points that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: are limiting the percentage of non resident tags. You know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: it's hurting me as well. So I don't know what
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: the perfect situation looks like. I think we'd all like
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: to turn back the clock to the glory days of
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: the whatever, the seventies, eighties, nineties, when it seemed like
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: you could, if you had the money, you could travel
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: across the West and get tags and hunt as much
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: as you wanted. But the reality is it's a finite resource,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: and so we're left with this unfortunate balancing act that,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: as you point out, it sort of structurally is tipped
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: in the favor of residents pretty extremely.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. And it's not just a
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Western issue. I get in a white tail tag in
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Iowa and you'll know what I'm talking about. It's not easy.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: All right, There you go. Good one.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Sorry to the guy from from BC. I hope
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: you have a good hunt in North Dakota. All right,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Next one? Where is it? This one's kind of long.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: I'm and try and shorten it as much as I can.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I would really like to get your opinion to help
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: settle a bit of neighborhood edit etiquette question involving three
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: white tail carcasses and my neighbors love of their dogs.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I live on the outskirts of town in a development
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: consists about fifteen homes that sit on four to five
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: acre parcels that are a mixture of yard woods in prairie.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: I have three acres of woods that are between my
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: house and the county road. I have good relationships with
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: all my neighbors, most of which have a dog or
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: two that can run relatively free. Last year, our group
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: shot three deer and we processed them at my place.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: I had three carcasses had to dispose of. I thought
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: nothing of it and put them out of sight from
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: the road out in the middle of his woods. You know,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: it says it's cold here, so there wouldn't be any
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: concern over smell, and by springtime all that would be
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: left was a few bones. My first mistake is he
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: didn't do this over the cover of darkness. I don't
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: know about that if that was his first mistake. One
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: of the neighbors saw me dragging carcass into the woods,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: and within a day I had multiple people questioning me.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: They're a little irritated about the carcasses and the dogs
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: getting into them, and the possibility that he was attracting
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: predators to the area. He brushed off those concerns, but
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: he did find it humorous when he saw a dog
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: from three doors down walking up the road a month
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: later with a deer leg in his mouth. Anyway, he's
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: now wondering, what's your take? What should what should you do?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Find somewhere else to dump them, wait till dark and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: sneak in there. You know, this isn't a huge problem necessarily,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: it's your property and you can do what you want.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. Your neighbors do
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: have a point, and I'd rather have happy neighbors like uh,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not too hard to throw deer bones,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: like a whole dear bone boned out carcass into a
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: trash can I do it all the time, and if
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: coyotes do come in, they will mess up a dog
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: or two. There's nothing illegal about what you're doing doing
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: more than likely, but there possibly could be, and you
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: should consider disposing of those carcasses properly, not only because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: of the dogs, because of c w D concerns. I
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: don't know if you're getting your deer tested or not,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: but Dumping carcasses is a good way to spread CWD around.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever you do, don't go dump them out on
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  Speaker 2: public land somewhere. That's like, that's the main thing. Put
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: them in the trash is the is the best thing.
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  Speaker 2: I would say. I don't know if you guys feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm being a little hard on this guy, but no,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: that's a honest true. I mean, Steve throws deer carcasses
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: on the roof of his Yeah, it's on the roof.
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  Speaker 7: At least if you don't want your neighbor, if you
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: don't want your dog eating deer, that's on the neighbors,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: don't let them go in the neighbors true, right, Like
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: your dog's probably wouldn't be going. Like if my dog
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: goes over in the neighbor's yard, I say, hey, yep,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: get over here.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know I agree with I mean, if if
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: the carcasses on his property, uh, sounds like your neighbor
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: needs a fence.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 2: Like nobody can. It's like it's like everyone agrees that
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: it's cool that the dog's growing around. I don't think
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: he's saying these dogs are a problem.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I know, but like if you're the type of
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: person that doesn't want your dog getting into stuff and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: you got an issue.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: With right, yeah, keep your dog on your property.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think the neighbors are helping that guy pay
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: his property taxes, so they don't really have to say.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: Let me add another hot tip. This isn't really pertinent,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: but along the lines of the brass, don't be the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: guy that drives to a trailhead and dumps like four
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: why tail carcasses three feet off the gravel in the bushes.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: That's that's where I have an issue with people like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: just being sloppy public land stewards. You know, as far
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  Speaker 6: as I'm concerned, if you want to leave your carcasses
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: in your in your woods, in your living room, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: No, like, like I said, I'm cool with it. But
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: if you want, if it's like, if you're weighing how
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: important it is to like not have a beef with
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: your neighbors, you know, yeah, you can throw those carcasses,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Oh sure, Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And plenty of people do that who don't have access
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: to woods where they let them think.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: You know, yea all the time.
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  Speaker 2: All right, set this one's I'll let you hit this one. First,
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean this in any sort of critical, judgmental,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: or confrontational way. I'm just curious about your thoughts on
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: meat from fur bearing animals recently. I don't know how
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: recent this is. It's talking about part of my plate muskrats,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: which he's just catching up. I guess anyway, it still applies.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Steve says he's trapped perhaps a thousand muskrats but only
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: eating twenty. That got me wondering, do you find that hypocritical?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Since we're always championing want and waste laws and maximizing
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: the use from the meat? What do trappers do with
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: all the meat if they're not eating dog food? Would
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: it also be okay? I'm not sure where he's going
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: with this part. Would it also be okay if someone
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: turned a whole white tail into dog food? Like, let's
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: not even worry about that yet, Let's stick with the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: trap and thing. I just think it's an interesting question.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: I don't mean it to be condemning. It doesn't bother me.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: In fact, i'd really like to get into trapping myself.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I just haven't made the effort. But I'm interested in
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: how you deal with that potential conflict.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, some things are good to eat, like beaver muskrats,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: but yeah, we ate. We ate bobcat down Texas a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks ago. But if it was like as
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: far as like want waste laws, if states required you
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: to eat coyotes, no one would trap or kill kyo.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no want waste law for many furthering.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Species, and if there is, it's just like you have
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: to harvest the firs.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I think it's okay to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: have a resource that you're using, that's using for fur
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: and it's not it's it's okay that you're not using
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: the I know we harp on that all the time,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: the meat thing. But like, look, man, like it's okay
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: to go trap a fox or a skunk or like
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: whatever fur bear and not eat it. You know, you
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have to feel bad about that.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but if you know, if you want to try
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: some bobcat backstraps, yeah, let's get weird raccoon.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: We've got raccoon rest. So, like there is opportunity for
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: to eat some of these things, for sure, but I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: don't think you should necessarily feel obligated to do so.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like shooting a what is it the fall
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: bears in Alaska? You're not required to because it just
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: taste terrible.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, all right, last one. I threw a venison
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: shank into my instant pot last weekend. Everything was great
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: except the last meal. One of the last bites, I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: ended up finding a mushroomed bullet. I initially thought it
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: was a chunk of bone. My question I tried asking
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Google and couldn't seem to word it right to get
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: the answer I was looking for was did that instant
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: pot just make a lead based broth that I consumed
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: entirely by myself? And should I be concerned? I can't
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: say I know the science behind pressure cooking meat and
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: lead bullets together. No, you do not have to worry
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: about it. Otherwise, like people who shoot all kinds of
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: small game and birds would die of lead poisoning. Like
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: we're picking lead out of meat that we've cooked all
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: the time. Humans can't absorb led through their solid lead
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: through their digestive system. Lead poisoning is like from inhaling
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: dust particles from old lead based paint and things like that. Now,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: if you cooked it past like six hundred degrees then
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: you'd be in trouble because that lead would melt.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: I'd rather find that lead in the in the crockpot
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: than in a turd, you know, just to be safe.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: Right right, But no, it's it's not gonna hurt you.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: Your your gut is not as strong as like an
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: eagle or a condor where you're gonna break that lead
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: down to the point where it's going to poison you.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: I gotta know what that shank looked like and who shot?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna sayroom bullet. Listen, it wasn't him.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Give this guy credit. What's his name?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Brian shot?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: But hold on, I shortened this thing for to make
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: it shorter.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: He that bullet was already in there. He just found
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: it in there. Yeah.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: Well healed over and he couldn't tell huh. Interesting. Wow, Yeah,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: you never know what you're gonna bite into in there.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: That's it for the the Meat Eater correspondence inbox.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Did Jill?
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the chat saying?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Chats trying to figure out a way to save the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: show starting underground letter campaigns. Oh good, So we'll see
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: how that plays out for them to get an update
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: on that. This is from popa medic bopa's for Seth
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: two part question r on not two parts, but it's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: just long Seth. I'm trying to save some money by
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: making my own predator bait for trapping. I'm using a
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: commercial bait solution with sodium benzon eate. I don't have
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: any beaver meat at the moment, but I do have
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: two frozen bobcats. Should I use the bobcat meat or
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: wait until I have a beaver targeting coyotes? Primarily coyotes
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: if you're a West Coast child? How also? How tainted? Thanks?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: Bait and lore makers would say that bobcat's better than
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: beaver meat, right. I know Steve right now has a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: jar of bobcat meat in his garage. That's he's tainting
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: for bait for But he'd be good with either one, right, Yeah,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: go with you the one. But I do think I've
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: never made bait before, but I think people prefer bobcat
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 7: meat over anything.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Why so use the bobcat?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Try it after we just told you you should be
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: eating it.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Let us know before March fifth how it went for
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Mogor question for Randall and these remaining few five radio
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: live episodes. Will there be a Butcher's Crossing review or
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: should we no longer expect it? Thank you so much,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure, Mogor, you gotta do it for.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: Is that your number one choice? Could we ask Mogor
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: in the chat if that's his number one choice?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: You can get a top three from Mogor.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if I could get a top three. The issue
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: is Mogor, we have a limited number of shows. I
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: will only be on a few of them because I
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: have a bit of travel coming up in the month
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: of February, and at this point, knowing that I only
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: have a set number of movie clubs, I'm really thinking
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: about opening up the catalog of films i'd like to
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: I'm entertaining the idea of Jurassic Park, Congo, any sort
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: of Michael Crichton based wildlife centric film.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: I want to get loose with it.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: I feel like we have this platform that we can
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: now use to just transgress all boundaries of good taste
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: and judgment.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: The rules have been thrown out the windows. Yeah, maybe deliberate,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: free to do whatever.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: Maybe maybe we do do the Deliverance movie club. But yeah,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: if you have if you have strong thoughts, mogor. I
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: would like to uh, I would like to throw you
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 6: a bone, So tell me your number one movie?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Will do it? Cool? Let us know from Brian Lammers.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: It's also a loyal, loyal live watcher Cal.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Who update on Cow? Has the crew been in contact?
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Was this Cow guy?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: I've forgotten. I tried to and I don't remember who
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I tried texting Cal yesterday about the pheasant thing we
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: were talking about earlier. Still haven't heard from him.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard. He's been real busy.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: He had time for a couple of beers on Friday.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: Oh and he texted me over the weekend to ask
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: me to plug his trailer in so that the batteries
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: weren't damaged by the cold. He just wanted to maintain
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: his batteries. He has time for an occasional long phone call.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know if people out there know this, but
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 6: when you get a phone call from Cal, it typically
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: goes until it has to be you have to hang
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: up because someone needs to do something else. It's sort
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: of an open ended conversation. He might have another conversation
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: with someone in the room with him as you're on
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: the phone with him. He's gotten a couple of those.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: He seems to be doing well, but very obviously there's
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: a lot going on, so it was very stressed. And
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: but yeah he is still fighting time to wet the
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: whistle every now and then.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say, if you haven't listened to
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Cal's Week in Review in these last oh yeah, six
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: seven years that it's been running, now is a good
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: time to do it because it's a whole new perspective.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: He's got a he's got a very different job than
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: he used to have, and he talks about it at
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: the top of the show every week. The stuff he's doing,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: where he's going, I would I would recommend it.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm still hoping I can get him to come
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: over for STU this week. Got a lot of stew
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: need some mouths.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: No, I want to do a couple more because I
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: don't know if I'm going to be hosting this thing
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: before the end. You really okay?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there haven't been a lot of direct questions
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: that usually gets. People are mostly talking about the show ending, which.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Is I mean, Randall hijack the whole show. You know
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: what's funny.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: I didn't even think about this.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: I got a d M yesterday that said, can you
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: just go f off and not be on every podcast?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Let it out?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: I feel the same way you love yourself.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: We get it.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: It's too much or something along those lines. And it
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: hadn't occurred to me that now.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't check who sent that to you.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: Did I've just showed up to a podcast that I'm
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: not even supposed to be on. So maybe that guy
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: is a point.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: That is my burner Instagram first through the door at
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: like ten with two bags of chips and a diet coke.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: It's not because I love myself, It's because I love
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: you guys. If I wasn't here, i'd be up sitting
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: in my office alone staring at books.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: I can come in here and.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show. But it's making me more excited
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: for the big blowout used firearms.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: The blowout spectacular is gonna Oh god, I'm so excited.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: One more Phil Okay, come on, man, guys, get the questions.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: The first one I see that catches my eye gets red.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: Mmm.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: You guys have many plans this weekend.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: We have a lot of exclamation points.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: Somebody said good taste and judgment.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Where is Randall getting his haircut on Radio Life.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: It sounds like a great.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: We should do that for the grand blowout spectacular clippers
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 6: at home.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: No, no, we're not cutting it that much.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 7: Oh you know we should do is have ten people
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 7: involved in each each person gets like thirty seconds.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: Oh oh on my hair.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Your hair, We could put your hair in the auction
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: House of Oddities.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: We should do that.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: Donate that hair.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: At this point, like I said, things are just falling
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: apart here.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: Brody closed his computer already.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, that's all we got for you today, guys.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining. Tune in next week.
• 1:27:33
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• 1:27:34
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• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: a reflection on our love for the crowd here.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: So see you next week.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Have a great week. Bye. Should I play the outro?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: Fill?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: You're usually so timely?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm just thinking about I just don't want
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: the show to hit