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How This CCTV Footage Led Cops to a Mass Killer · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine you're like driving back to your hometown on a
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday just to get a copy of your lost social
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  Speaker 1: security card for a new job.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. The worst kind of errand.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You just need your birth certificate to prove you
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  Speaker 1: exist to some HR department. And it is honestly the
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  Speaker 1: most mundane, frustrating errand imaginable.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But now imagine that single boring errand ends with you
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  Speaker 1: held at gunpoint in pitch darkness at a rural rock quarry.
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  Speaker 2: Just completely terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you're watching a literal gangland execution.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we often expect the timeline of our lives
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  Speaker 2: to have like guardrails. We assume that if we're just
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  Speaker 2: going about our daily routines, we're somehow insulated from the
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  Speaker 2: extreme violence that exists on the fringes of society.
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  Speaker 1: We really do. We just assume we're safe.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But what we're examining today is a devastating study
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  Speaker 2: in how permeable those guardrails actually are. I mean, we're
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  Speaker 2: looking at a diagnostic landscape of a crime that forces
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  Speaker 2: us to reconcile human memory and severe psychological trauma and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the cold, unblinking truth of forensics.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Because this case isn't just about
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  Speaker 1: a crime. It perfectly illustrates how quickly ordinary life can
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  Speaker 1: violently intersect with the criminal underworld. Yeah. And it shows
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  Speaker 1: us exactly how modern law enforcement has to piece together
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  Speaker 1: the truth when the only surviving witnesses are, well, deeply
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  Speaker 1: compromised or just terrified out of their minds.
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  Speaker 2: Or experiencing profound psychological shock.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Just beneath the surface of everyday life lies
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  Speaker 1: this hidden web of transients, drug users, ex-cons, and gang ties.
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  Speaker 1: So today, we're going to explore how a single thread
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  Speaker 1: from that web unspooled into a devastating triple homicide in
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  Speaker 1: July 2021. And to.
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  Speaker 2: Understand the sheer scale of that unspooling, we have to
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  Speaker 2: start at the end of the line.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We have to look at the physical space where the
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  Speaker 2: violence culminated, which brings us to the Romskog Quarry.
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  Speaker 1: So it's Friday, July 23, 2021. It's early morning, like
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  Speaker 1: right before dawn.
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  Speaker 2: So it's still dark.
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  Speaker 1: Still dark. And the air is holding that heavy, oppressive
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  Speaker 1: summer humidity you get in the Midwest.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I know exactly what you mean.
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  Speaker 1: Workers are arriving for their early shift at the Milestone Quarry,
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  Speaker 1: which is known locally as the Romskog Quarry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's situated right between West Salem and Holman, Wisconsin. Just
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  Speaker 1: this quiet industrial stretch of county road. But as these
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  Speaker 1: workers pull up to the closed facility gate to start
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  Speaker 1: their day... They're met with a scene that immediately just
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  Speaker 1: halts everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because three men are found dead, positioned right at
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  Speaker 2: or just slightly underneath the facility's heavy entrance gate. Gosh.
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  Speaker 2: And this discovery triggers a massive multi-agency response.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. The La Crosse County Sheriff, Jeff Wolf, immediately
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  Speaker 2: calls in specialized investigators from the State Department of Criminal Investigation,
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  Speaker 2: the local DA's office, the coroner. I mean, they lock
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  Speaker 2: down the entire perimeter.
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  Speaker 1: So we need to establish who these victims were, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because their identities form the very foundation of the investigative puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: Right, they do.
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  Speaker 1: Two of the men are from the local Heishmon community,
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  Speaker 1: Nemo Yang and Peng Lor. And the third victim is
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  Speaker 1: a white man named Trevor Maloney. Now, what do the
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  Speaker 1: police actually see when they walk up to this gravel entrance?
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  Speaker 1: Because initially there's a specific piece of evidence that might
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  Speaker 1: make a casual observer think this is just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a standard street crime that simply got out of hand.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Their wallets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, their wallets.
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  Speaker 2: The victims' wallets were located right at their feet, just
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  Speaker 2: resting in the gravel. And when investigators examined them, they
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  Speaker 2: found they were completely emptied of all cash.
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  Speaker 1: See, if you find empty wallets at a crime scene,
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  Speaker 1: why jump straight to an execution? Why? I mean, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it just as likely that this was a mugging or
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  Speaker 1: some sort of illicit transaction, like a drug deal that
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  Speaker 1: just escalated horribly? It feels like a magician's misdirection to me. Like,
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  Speaker 1: was the money taken just to confuse the cops and
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  Speaker 1: force them down a robbery trajectory?
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question, but crime scenes speak a very
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  Speaker 2: specific mechanical language. The physical evidence at the quarry was
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  Speaker 2: screaming something entirely different than a robbery. Yeah, well, empty
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  Speaker 2: wallets might suggest theft to an untrained observer. Forensic investigators
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  Speaker 2: are looking at the totality of the circumstances. Hmm. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the empty wallets were completely eclipsed by the sheer level
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  Speaker 2: of overkill.
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  Speaker 1: Overkill. Right.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about a volume of violence that goes far
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  Speaker 2: beyond what is necessary to subdue someone for their cash.
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  Speaker 1: So let's break down that overkill. Like, what are they
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  Speaker 1: finding in the gravel?
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  Speaker 2: Well, forensics teams are combing this long gravel driveway, and
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  Speaker 2: they're discovering multiple Winchester. 40 Vero caliber shell casings scattered
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  Speaker 2: across the scene. Wow. Yeah, we aren't talking about a
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  Speaker 2: single panic discharge from a mugger who got spooked. Each
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  Speaker 2: of the three men sustained multiple gunshot wounds.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: And the locations of those wounds are highly indicative of intent.
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  Speaker 2: They were shot in their backs, their heads, and their arms.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, in the back and the head? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: imagine that immediately changes the spatial geometry the investigators are analyzing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it changes everything. It tells a story of absolute
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  Speaker 2: physical control and, like, deliberation.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Two of the men, Nemo and Trevor, were left lying
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  Speaker 2: face down in the dirt. Peng was lying face up.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But the most chilling detail the crime scene technicians documented
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  Speaker 2: wasn't just the final resting positions of the bodies. It
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  Speaker 2: was the disturbance in the terrain leading up to them.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: They found deep furrows in the gravel.
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  Speaker 1: Like drag marks. Were they killed somewhere else on the
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  Speaker 1: property and moved to the gate?
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  Speaker 2: See, that's what you might think. But the mechanics of
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  Speaker 2: the marks indicated something much darker than dragging. The furrows
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  Speaker 2: were highly specific, indicating the men were forced to either
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  Speaker 2: crawl or walk on their bare knees... across that rough
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  Speaker 2: gravel to the gate before they were killed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. So they were intentionally corralled, physically humiliated,
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  Speaker 1: forced into a posture of complete submission, and then executed.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And add to that the presence of stippling and
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  Speaker 2: powder burns on the victim's skin and clothing. The stippling. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When a firearm is discharged, it doesn't just expel a bullet.
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  Speaker 2: It expels a cloud of superheated gases, unburned gunpowder flakes,
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  Speaker 2: and soot. Right, right. If the barrel of the gun
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  Speaker 2: is pressed mere inches from the target, that burning debris
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  Speaker 2: basically embeds itself into the skin. Forensics can actually measure
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  Speaker 2: the diameter of that stippling pattern to calculate the exact
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  Speaker 2: distance of the weapon from the victim at the moment
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  Speaker 2: the trigger was pulled. Wow, that's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: And the burns here indicated close-range gangland-style executions. Furthermore, tire
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  Speaker 2: tracks preserved in the dust indicated that two separate vehicles
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  Speaker 2: had been present at the scene the night before.
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  Speaker 1: Two cars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this out of the way pitch black location,
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  Speaker 2: the sheer volume of gunfire, the forced kneeling, the close
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  Speaker 2: range shots. None of this aligns with a simple robbery
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  Speaker 2: gone wrong. I mean, this was an intentional coordinated extermination.
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  Speaker 1: So the police know immediately they're dealing with a targeted hit,
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  Speaker 1: but they run into an immediate massive roadblock.
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  Speaker 2: Always a roadblock.
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  Speaker 1: Always. Always. Sheriff Wolf puts out a public plea to
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  Speaker 1: the community. He asks anyone with residences on nearby County
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  Speaker 1: Trunk Highway M for their security footage from, like, late
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  Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon to 5.00 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Friday. Right, because in a modern investigation, digital surveillance is
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  Speaker 2: basically the expectation. Law enforcement assumes they'll find a ring
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  Speaker 2: doorbell or, you know, a trail camera or a commercial
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  Speaker 2: security system that caught something.
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  Speaker 1: But the canvassing turned up absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing. Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: The facility's own security cameras positioned at the gate were non-functional.
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  Speaker 2: Of course they were.
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  Speaker 1: Naturally. And the homeowners along the nearby rural roads had
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  Speaker 1: no footage of use. Not a single camera caught the
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  Speaker 1: passage of these two vehicles creaking through the dead of night.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Which leaves the investigation entirely reliant on the human element.
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  Speaker 2: They have to work backward from the victims themselves, you know,
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  Speaker 2: who are Nemo, Pang, and Trevor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And why would someone orchestrate their deaths in such an elaborate,
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  Speaker 2: brutal fashion?
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  Speaker 1: Well, to understand why they were targeted, we have to
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  Speaker 1: look at the unique demographics of the town they lived in.
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  Speaker 1: Because this isn't just about three guys in a vacuum, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's about the specific subcultures they belong to. We have
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  Speaker 1: to head to La Crosse, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, La Crosse is a fascinating geographical and cultural intersection.
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  Speaker 2: It sits on the western edge of Wisconsin, right along
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  Speaker 2: the Mississippi River. The population hebers around 52,000. And its
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  Speaker 2: identity is heavily influenced by being a college town.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: There are about 20,000 university students living there at any
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  Speaker 2: given time.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like two parallel cities occupying the exact same geography.
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  Speaker 1: You have the college kids walking to class, hanging out
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  Speaker 1: at riverfront bars, living this idyllic Midwestern university life, just
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  Speaker 1: completely oblivious to the deeply complex, historically rich, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: dangerous subcultures moving right alongside them.
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  Speaker 2: Very true.
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  Speaker 1: Because La Crosse is home to one of the largest
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  Speaker 1: Tenermong communities outside of Southeast Asia.
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  Speaker 2: And if we connect this to the bigger picture, the
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  Speaker 2: demographic footprint is profound. Roughly 2% of La Crosse's entire population,
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  Speaker 2: which translates to about 60% of its Asian residents, claim
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  Speaker 2: Hermong ancestry.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's significant. It is.
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  Speaker 2: And this demographic reality is the direct result of American
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  Speaker 2: military history.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. During the Vietnam War, the Himong people were heavily
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  Speaker 2: recruited as allies by the United States. They operated secret
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  Speaker 2: bases high in the mountains, gathered intelligence, rescued downed American pilots,
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  Speaker 2: and actually fought alongside the U.S. Green Berets in what
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  Speaker 2: is often called the Secret War in Laos.
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  Speaker 1: They were completely instrumental, but when the geopolitical winds shifted
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  Speaker 1: and the U.S. withdrew... The.
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  Speaker 2: Himong found themselves exposed to horrific retaliation. Post-1975, they faced
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  Speaker 2: systematic reprisals and attempted genocides by the regimes that took power,
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  Speaker 2: in Vietnam and Laos.
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  Speaker 1: That's just awful.
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  Speaker 2: It was a catastrophic humanitarian crisis born directly out of
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  Speaker 2: their loyalty to American forces. And in response, thousands of
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  Speaker 2: Himung refugees were granted emergency immigration status. They were placed
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  Speaker 2: in resettlement programs that brought massive numbers of families to
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  Speaker 2: the American Midwest, particularly Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and they became a vital, beloved, and integral part
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  Speaker 1: of the state's cultural and economic fabric.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But the transition wasn't seamless.
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  Speaker 2: No, displacement of that magnitude always leaves complex societal ripples.
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  Speaker 2: When you have a community experiencing generational trauma suddenly dropped
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  Speaker 2: into a foreign culture, you see economic marginalization. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. Parents are working multiple low-wage factory jobs just
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  Speaker 2: to survive, meaning younger generations are often left to navigate
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  Speaker 2: this new American experience entirely on their own.
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  Speaker 1: Which is incredibly hard.
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  Speaker 2: It is. And in some segments of these communities, street
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  Speaker 2: gangs form. Initially, they often begin as a mechanism for
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  Speaker 2: self-protection against localized racism. But over time, they morph into profit-driven,
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  Speaker 2: organized criminal enterprises.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us directly back to the victims at the quarry.
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  Speaker 1: Nimo Yang and Peng Lor both had documented ties to
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  Speaker 1: a bloods-aligned street gang known as the True Asian Bloods. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And Pang's history was particularly active.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He had only moved to the La Crosse area a
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  Speaker 2: few months prior, but he had already generated a significant
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  Speaker 2: paper trail of petty offenses. We're talking about drug possession,
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  Speaker 2: narcotic sales, and petty theft. He was a known entity
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  Speaker 2: operating within known gang parameters.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have Trevor Maloney. Right. A white man
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  Speaker 1: with no apparent gang affiliations, but he was a recent
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  Speaker 1: parolee newly released from the prison system. So you have
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  Speaker 1: these three individuals swimming in a very specific high-risk current. Yeah. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I have to push back a little here on the sociology.
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  Speaker 1: Does the historical trauma of a refugee community actually explain
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  Speaker 1: the emergence of these specific gang structures today? Or is
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  Speaker 1: this just standard opportunistic organized crime? I mean, at this
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  Speaker 1: point in 2021, are we over-psychologizing what is essentially just
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  Speaker 1: a violent turf war?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a fair question, but the historical context is
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  Speaker 2: the soil and the crime is the tree. You can't
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  Speaker 2: fully separate them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I see. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The activities of the true Asian bloods today, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the drug dealing, the retaliatory violence are standard opportunistic crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But the internal logic of the gang, the extreme insularity,
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  Speaker 2: the deep paranoia, and the absolute refusal to involve outside
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement, those are all survival mechanisms inherited from a
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  Speaker 2: history of betrayal and displacement.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: The gang becomes a surrogate family structure that operates completely
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  Speaker 2: outside the bounds of traditional American civic life.
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  Speaker 1: So the police are trying to map out this exact structure.
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  Speaker 1: They're looking at Nemo and Pang, looking at the true
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  Speaker 1: Asian bloods, trying to find a suspect in an environment
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  Speaker 1: where literally nobody talks to the cops.
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  Speaker 2: It's an impenetrable wall.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They're hitting a massive wall of silence. But then
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  Speaker 1: the entire trajectory of the investigation changes. And it isn't
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  Speaker 1: because a detective cracked a cipher or found a fingerprint.
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  Speaker 2: Yo.
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  Speaker 1: It breaks wide open because a completely terrified woman walks
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  Speaker 1: through the front doors of the La Crosse County Sheriff's Office.
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  Speaker 2: Her name is Bridget Shalick.
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  Speaker 1: Bridget walks into the lobby out of nowhere and tells
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  Speaker 1: the desk officer that she was at the Romskog quarry
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  Speaker 1: the night before. She saw everything and she is incredibly
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  Speaker 1: lucky to be breathing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, law enforcement recognizes the extreme volatility of this
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  Speaker 2: moment immediately. They rush her into an interview room. She's
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  Speaker 2: met by Investigator Amundsen, a local detective, and Special Agent
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  Speaker 2: John Meyer from the Wisconsin Department of Justice Division of
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  Speaker 2: Criminal Investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you listen to the transcript of this interview,
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  Speaker 1: the psychology the detectives employ is just fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: Before Agent Meyer even asks her what she saw, he
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  Speaker 1: establishes the physics of the room. He looks at her
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  Speaker 1: and says, I just want to make it clear that
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  Speaker 1: you're not being detained. You're not being placed under arrest
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  Speaker 1: for anything.
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  Speaker 2: He's setting the tone.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. He explicitly points out that the door is
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  Speaker 1: only closed for privacy and she is free to stand
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  Speaker 1: up and walk out of the building whenever she wants.
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  Speaker 2: And the legal distinction here between a custodial and a
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  Speaker 2: non-custodial interrogation is paramount.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, in a custodial interrogation, where the reasonable person would
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  Speaker 2: feel they're not free to leave the police, are legally
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  Speaker 2: required to read the suspect their Miranda rights. If they
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  Speaker 2: fail to do so, anything the suspect says can be
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  Speaker 2: thrown out in court.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the whole you have the right to remain silent thing.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But by explicitly telling Bridget she's free to leave
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  Speaker 2: and ensuring the physical setup of the room reflects that freedom,
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  Speaker 2: they render the interview non-custodial. Miranda rights do not apply.
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  Speaker 1: But why not just read her the rights to be safe? Like,
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  Speaker 1: why risk it?
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  Speaker 2: Because Miranda warnings fundamentally alter the psychological atmosphere of a room.
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  Speaker 2: The moment you tell someone they have the right to
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  Speaker 2: remain silent and the right to an attorney... Their defensive
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  Speaker 2: walls slam into place.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They realize the state views them as an adversary.
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  Speaker 2: By treating Bridget purely as a voluntary, helpful citizen, even
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  Speaker 2: though they have absolutely no idea if she's about to
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  Speaker 2: confess to driving the getaway car, they eliminate that adversarial tension.
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  Speaker 1: They let her guard down.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It allows her to dump the information in her
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  Speaker 2: own words, at her own pace, without the immediate fear
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  Speaker 2: of self-incrimination.
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  Speaker 1: And she really needs that space. I mean, the transcript notes,
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  Speaker 1: she takes several minutes just to gather the physical ability
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  Speaker 1: to speak.
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  Speaker 2: She's in shock.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she is trembling. She tells them, I'm afraid for
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  Speaker 1: my life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the officers don't prompt her. They don't offer theories
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  Speaker 1: for her to agree with. They just let her spin
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  Speaker 1: out the tale of the last 48 hours. And her
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  Speaker 1: story doesn't start at the quarry. It starts two days
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  Speaker 1: prior on a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And her involvement stems from a purely logistical problem.
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  Speaker 2: Bridget works a job in La Crosse, but she lives
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  Speaker 2: down in Viroqua. which is roughly a 40-minute commute. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't have a place to stay in town between shifts,
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  Speaker 2: and her finances are incredibly tight.
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  Speaker 1: So Trevor Maloney steps in. Trevor, who Bridget knows casually,
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  Speaker 1: offers to secure a hotel room so she doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to make that exhausting drive back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: Nice of him.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like a generous, informal favor, right? Trevor books
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  Speaker 1: a room at the Baymont Inn in La Crosse, and
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Bridget goes there with the intention of just hanging out
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: and getting some sleep.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: But the environment inside the Baymont Inn deteriorates rapidly. The
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: room ceases to be a quiet place to crash and
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: transforms into a heavily trafficked revolving door.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Bridget tells the detectives that, quote, a bunch of
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Asian people came. She identifies Nemo, Pang, and two other
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: men she knows only by their street names, Uncle and Bam.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: And she picks up on the tension immediately.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, totally.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: She tells the cops there was a couple more Asians
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: there and they were in trouble. I don't know exactly
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: what they did or who they owed.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: The psychological atmosphere in that hotel room is saturated with
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: a very specific, intense paranoia. And Bridget details an incident
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: that perfectly encapsulates this.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: The shower incident.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Yes. She's in the original room they booked, which is
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: located on the third floor of the Baymont. She decides
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: to take a shower. While the water is running, she
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: hears the heavy hotel room door opening and slamming shut
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: multiple times.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: People are rushing in and out.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. And when she finally steps out of the bathroom,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: she realizes the entire group has completely relocated.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: They didn't just shuffle down the hallway to a quieter room.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: They moved the entire operation from a standard room on
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the third floor all the way down to a first
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: floor jacuzzi suite.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Which is a huge move. Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, all of these frantic movements that
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: are coming and going, the sudden room change, are being
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: actively captured by the Baymont Inn's internal security cameras. The
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: detectives know they can pull this footage later to completely
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: corroborate her timeline.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And Bridget's intuition regarding the sudden move is really sharp.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: She realizes the room change was an evasive maneuver. She
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: deduces that someone on the outside discovered where Nemo and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Peng were fighting, and the group scrambled to the first
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: floor to avoid being cornered. These men aren't just hanging out.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: They are actively fortifying a position.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And she manages to decipher the motive just by listening
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: to the chaotic, overlapping conversations in the room.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she hears Nemo explicitly state that he's being accused
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of stealing something, a debit card or a stash of cash.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And she catches the street names of the men they're
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: absolutely terrified of. Right.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: She hears the names Cush and Black.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Nemo makes it clear that Cush and Black believe he
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: took their property and they're hunting him to exact a toll.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Now, I have to pause here and look critically at
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Bridget's narrative.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Because she's painting a picture of herself as the ultimate
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: accidental tourist.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Right. a weary working mother who just wanted to avoid
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a commute and got swept up in a cartel movie.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: But the detectives push her on this. They ask her,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: point blank, if there were narcotics being used in that room.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And she admits that, yes, everyone in the room was
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: smoking methamphetamine.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And she partook as well.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Exactly. She claims she only tried it once that day,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that the taste was awful, and she didn't want to
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: ruin her life over it. But, I mean, if she
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: is actively smoking meth in a room full of gang
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: members who are hiding from a hit squad... How much
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: can these investigators truly trust her memory?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: It's a huge variable. Right.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: We're talking about an exhausted, terrified witness operating under the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: influence of a powerful central nervous system stimulant.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the reliability of eyewitness testimony is always a variable.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And when you introduce methamphetamine and extreme sleep deprivation, the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: potential for hallucination or memory distortion just skyrockets.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And the investigators are well aware of this. They know
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Bridget is almost certainly minimizing the extent of her drug
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: use and perhaps her deeper knowledge of the criminal dynamics
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: at play.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So why believe her?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Because here is the crucial distinction. She isn't offering vague
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: drug-induced paranoia. She's providing highly specific street names, Cush and Black,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and outlining a granular minute-by-minute timeline of physical movements that
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the police can verify through external evidence.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I see. So her story sounds like absolute chaos, but
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: it gives the detectives an anchor point.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Because she explains exactly the mechanism that caused them to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: leave the perceived safety of that first floor jacuzzi suite.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And it is the most absurd bureaucratic catalyst imaginable.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a drug deal gone wrong.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a sudden gang parlay.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: It was an administrative roadblock.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Thursday night rolls around. Bridget realizes she cannot go to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: her new job the next morning because she lost her
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: social security card. She has to drive all the way
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: back to her house in Viroqua to dig out her
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: physical birth certificate for her employer's HR file.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: A completely mundane task. But Nemo and Peng see an opportunity.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: They ask if they can ride along in her car.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And from their perspective, it makes perfect sense. The walls
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of the Baymont Inn are closing in. They're vibrating with paranoia.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Getting out of La Crosse in a random woman's vehicle,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: blending into the night traffic. It feels like a solid
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: tactical move to escape the heat for a few hours.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: So she agrees to take them.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: She does. She tells the police she actually wanted the
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: company so she wouldn't fall asleep at the wheel. She
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: mentions this traumatic past incident where she nodded off while
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: driving with her daughter in the car. So having passengers
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: kept her alert.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the three of them leave La Crosse. Later
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in the night, Trevor Maloney sends them a message asking
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: for a ride. So they detour to pick him up
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in the town of Westby before heading back.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And this seemingly innocuous drive back to town sets the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: stage for the ambush. The timeline has now advanced to 1.59 a.m.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: on Friday, July 23rd.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Bridget maneuvers her Dodge Charger into the brightly lit parking
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: lot of the Holiday Inn Express in La Crosse. She
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: just needs to run into the lobby to drop off
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: her employment paperwork.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So she deliberately parks near the front entrance doors. She
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: leaves the engine idling with Nemo, Pang, and Trevor sitting inside,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and she jogs into the lobby.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And while Bridget is inside the building, completely out of sight,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a black car comes tearing into the parking lot. It
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: pulls up aggressively right behind Bridget's idling charger, coming in
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: so hot it nearly causes a rear-end collision. Two men
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: immediately bail out of the black car.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: These are the men she will later identify as cushion black.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: They literally swarm the charger. Meanwhile, Bridget is walking back
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: out through the automatic doors of the Holiday Inn, completely oblivious.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: It's terrible timing. Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: She steps out into the human night air and the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: hostage situation is already in full swing.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And this is the moment where Bridget's entire narrative transitions
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: from a drug-adjacent story... into verifiable hard facts.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: You're right, the cameras.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly, because the external security cameras mounted on the Holiday
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Inn Express capture this entire sequence flawlessly.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Re-CCTV footage is the linchpin.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: It's the absolute anchor of truth in the investigation. The
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: digital timestamp on the video reads exactly 1.59 a.m. to 2.01 a.m.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: It shows Bridget's charger parking. It shows the black car
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: entering the frame aggressively. It shows the men jumping out
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and the physical confrontation at the windows. Yet this two-minute
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: window of silent video completely validates everything Bridget has told them.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: In the eyes of the investigators, she instantly transforms from
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: a highly questionable accomplice into a verified, highly credible victim.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: That's huge because what she walks into is terrifying. She
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: approaches her car. Kush, the older of the two assailants,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: has already moved and is now sitting in the driver's
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: seat of his black car. But before getting behind the wheel,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: he had forced Pang to roll down the passenger window
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of Bridget's Charger.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And Kush is holding a firearm. He points the barrel
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: directly at Bridget over the hood of her own car,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and he gives her a simple bone-chilling command. Follow me.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: He clarifies the threat, too. He tells her, if you
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: don't want to get hurt, follow me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And the kinetic energy of the scene has already shifted
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to victims. Nemo has been violently pulled out of Bridget's car.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and forced into the front passenger seat of the black
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: car next to Kush.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Which means Bridget is now expected to get back into
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: her charger with Peng and Trevor. And Black, the other gunman,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: climbs into the back of the black car with Kush
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and Nemo.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So the trap has been successfully strung. They've separated the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: targets and established physical dominance.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Now, behaviorally, I have to stop and ask a question
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that I think anyone listening to this is screaming at
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: their dashboard right now.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I can't guess what it is.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Why on earth did Bridget comply? She is standing outside
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: in a brightly lit hotel parking lot. She's not inside
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the vehicle yet. She sees armed men taking her acquaintances hostage.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't she immediately turn around, run back through those
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: automatic doors into the Holiday Inn lobby and scream for
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the night clerk to dial 911?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Deciding to get into a car and follow a caravan
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: of gunmen into the dark feels like seeing a burning
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: building and deciding to walk into the lobby to check
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: out the structural damage.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: From a distance, sitting in a safe environment, it completely
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: defies logical, tactical thinking. We all want to believe we'd
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: execute the optimal survival strategy. Of course. Debridget's actions perfectly
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: illustrate the profound biological reality of an acute threat response.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: When you're suddenly presented with lethal force, a firearm pointed
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: at your face, the prefrontal cortex of your brain, which
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: handles complex decision-making, logic, and long-term consequence analysis, is essentially
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: hijacked by the amygdala.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: The amygdala.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, the primitive fear center of the brain. Bridget isn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: standing there calculating the statistical probability of surviving a secondary
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: crime scene versus the response time of the La Crosse
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Police Department.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Right, she's just reacting.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: She's reacting to immediate overwhelming sensory stimuli. An aggressive man
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: holding a deadly weapon telling her, do this or I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: will hurt you. Her compliance is an evolutionary survival mechanism.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Like freeze and appease.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a freeze and appease response. She got behind
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the wheel because, in that specific fraction of a second,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: disobeying the gun felt like immediate guaranteed death.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: That biological override makes a terrifying kind of sense. Bound
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: by absolute fear, she puts her Dodge Charger in gear.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: She pulls out of the Holiday Inn lot and follows
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the taillights of the black car, setting in motion a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: terrifying drive out of the city limits and into the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: dark countryside.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: She follows them onto County Trunk Highway M. navigating toward
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the rural isolation of the Romskog Quarry.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And she describes the environment to the detectives as pitch black.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: She has no idea where she is. The cars finally
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: pull off the road and stop at the quarry gate.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: She notes a small trailer nearby with a single weak
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: light glowing on it. The isolation is total.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Just incredibly bleak.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And here's where it gets really interesting. Bridget's trauma
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: response shifts from blind compliance into a desperate, tragically misguided
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: attempt to regain some control through negotiation.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Right, because the vehicles are in park. The doors open.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Bridget steps out of her charger and actively approaches Black.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: She tells the investigators that she thought she could reason
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that maybe she could say something humanizing to de-escalate
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the adrenaline and make him rethink what they were doing.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't work.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: No. No. She realizes almost instantaneously that the rules of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: normal human interaction do not apply here. She tells the cops,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I was very scared at that point. After I approached her,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I realized that I should have probably just stayed in
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: my car. Black doesn't entertain a negotiation. He barks an order,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: telling her to go stand in the front bumper of
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: her car.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: So she's intentionally positioned there as a captive audience.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: She's forced to bear witness. Black moves to the passenger
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: side of Bridges' Charger and violently yanks Trevor out into
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the gravel. Kush has already extracted Nemo and Peng from
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the black car.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: The three victims are grouped together in the dirt, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the physical violence begins to escalate before the first shot
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: is even fired. Black takes his firearm and physically strikes
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: one of the men.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Blunt force.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bridget's description of this is incredibly vivid and specific.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: She says he held the gun by the barrel and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: used the flat bottom of the handle, the heavy magazine well,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to bludgeon the victim.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And the physical mechanics of using a firearm as a
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: blunt force instrument Demonstrate a severe level of aggression and dominance.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: It isn't just about the threat of the bullet anymore.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: It's about inflicting immediate physical pain and asserting total kinetic
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: control over the bodies of the victims.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Then comes the command that perfectly matches the gruesome forensic
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: evidence found the next morning. Black orders all three men
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to get down on their bare knees in the sharp gravel.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: He orders them to knee crawl forward, moving them closer
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to the facility fence.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: He's arranging them into an execution line.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Bridget is standing frozen by the hood of her vehicle,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: watching the culmination of the hit. And she witnesses Cush
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: raise his weapon and open fire on all three men, Nemo, Pang,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and Trevor.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: She tells the detectives, without hesitation, I witness Cush shoot
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: all three of them. She says she didn't attempt to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: jump in her car and drive away during the gunfire
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: because she was entirely paralyzed by fear. She knew that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: any sudden movement might draw the shooter's attention toward her.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And the investigators handle this phase of the interview differently.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: with remarkable psychological insight. They don't interrupt her to press
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: for tactical details like a specific make of the gun
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: or the exact sequence of the shots.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: They just let her talk.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: They let her process the emotional weight of what she
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: is confessing. Bridget is exhibiting profound survivor's guilt.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: She's apologizing to the police for not doing more to
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: stop it. She shares a deeply personal detail, explaining that
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: she lost her faith in God years ago when her
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: 10-year-old cousin tragically died, but as she stood untouched at
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the quarry, she marveled that she was spared. She says,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I'm very, very thankful.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: The immediate aftermath her physical actions after Cush and Blackspeed
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: away from the scene is mind-boggling until you view it
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: through the lens of extreme physiological trauma.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Because the killers vanish into the night. Bridget is left
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: alone with three bodies. She gets into her charger. She
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: drives all the way back into the city of La Crosse.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: She goes back to the Baymont Inn just to retrieve
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: her personal belongings. And then she drives to the Holiday Inn,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: parks her car in the same lot where the ambush began,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: turns off the engine, and literally falls asleep.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: She makes no attempt to dial 911.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: None. Mm-hmm. She tells the cops, I noticed myself like
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: doze off a couple times and then I just I
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: woke up and it was early in the morning.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I want to challenge the listener here to really imagine
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the psychological and physical weight of this moment. We consume
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: so much true crime media. We watch action movies and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: we always insert ourselves into the narrative as the rational hero.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we always think we know best.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: We assume we'd be dialing 911 on our cell phone
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: while expertly throwing the car into reverse and peeling out
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: of the gravel. But Bridget's brain essentially blue screened. It
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: initiated a total system shutdown. Is there a biological threshold
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: where the raw animal instinct for survival completely overrides our
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: moral or legal obligation to report a mass casualty event?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that, yes, absolutely. The physiology of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: severe trauma is just overwhelming. In the immediate presence of
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a deadly threat, the human body is flooded with cortisol
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and massive amounts of adrenaline to facilitate fight or flight. Right.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But that chemical state is unsustainable. When the threat departs
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and that adrenaline crash finally hits, the resulting physical and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: emotional exhaustion is profound.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Like a crash.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's not just feeling tired. It is a systemic
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: neurological shutdown designed to protect the brain from further psychological damage.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Falling asleep in a hotel parking lot after witnessing a
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: triple homicide is isn't a logical, calculated choice. It is
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: a dialogical fail-safe.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And the detectives interviewing her understand this perfectly. They don't
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: judge her for it. When she explicitly asks them if
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: she was selfish for not trying to run or call
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the police sooner, the investigator replies, I think it's self-preservation.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I think you were probably doing everything that you could
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to stay alive at that point.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: It is a masterclass in empathetic interviewing. And because Bridget
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: survived and because they treated her with that empathy... She
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: gave the task force exactly what they needed. She provided
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the entire narrative arc. She provided the exact timeline. And
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: most importantly, she gave him the street names, Cush and Black.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: But nicknames shouted in a hotel room don't yield legal
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: arrest warrants.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: No, they don't.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: A judge requires legal names and actionable evidence. The police
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: now have the what and the how. But they must
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: pivot away from the human element and start tearing into
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the digital footprints left by the victims and the physical
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: evidence left behind by the killers.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And right as Bridget is concluding this harrowing interview, a
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: call comes into the command center from a neighboring county's dispatch.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: A black Mercedes has been found abandoned in a rural
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: farm field area tucked far off any regularly traveled road.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. And the property owners who called it in
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: had no idea how it got there. Yeah. The area
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: is devoid of any security cameras.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: But vehicles are heavily documented pieces of machinery, right? They
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: have VIN numbers. They have license plates. The task force
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: runs the plates on the abandoned Mercedes. It comes back
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: registered to a woman named Virginia Creel, who resides in
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a neighboring county. Okay. Given the timeline of the violence,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the investigators immediately fear that Virginia might be a fourth victim.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They initiate a rush wellness check on her residence.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Fortunately, when officers arrive, Virginia is alive and completely unharmed.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank goodness.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they ask her about the black Mercedes sitting in
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a field. She explains that she loaned the vehicle to
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a friend of hers, a man named Cam Ratatansak.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And Cam Ratatansak is known on the streets and in
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the police databases as Black or Blackie.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: He is a suspected gang member in his 40s, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he is very well known to regional law enforcement. The
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: first major structural domino of the case falls.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: With Black's legal identity firmly secured, unmasking his associate becomes
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: a matter of cross-referencing known associates. They quickly determine that
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Kush is a man named Niatow.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they have both of them. Yes.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: He is a Chetamong man who had recently been released
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: from the state prison system, was currently on active probation,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: had a documented history of severe anger issues, and was
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: listed in their system as homeless.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: But knowing who pulled the trigger isn't enough for a conviction.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: The prosecutors need to cement the motive to explain the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: why to a jury. Why did Cush and Black orchestrate
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: an elaborate execution over a supposedly stolen debit card?
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Right, they need the motive.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: To dig into the motive, they do what every modern
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: investigative unit does. They issue emergency subpoenas for the victims'
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: cell phones.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And the data extraction from Nemo and Peng's phones provides
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: a treasure trove of digital footprints. The technicians parse through
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Facebook posts, direct messages, and extensive text logs.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And what do they find?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: They find a crucial chain of frantic communications involving a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: man the victims consistently referred to as Uncle.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Now, remember Bridget's interview. She mentioned an uncle hanging around
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that chaotic hotel room.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Police identify him through the phone records. Uncle is actually
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a man named Chewy Yu Jang who operates under the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: street alias Crazy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: He is a documented, deeply entrenched member of the True
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Asian Bloods, and he is a distant cousin to both
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Nemo and Peng. Because the community is so close-knit, Uncle
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: is utilized as a term of deep respect and familial connection,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: regardless of how distant the actual blood tie is.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: In an incredible stroke of investigative luck, Zhu Yijing uncle
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: happens to get arrested on completely unrelated charges right in
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the middle of this massive homicide investigation.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's sitting in a local jail cell.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: So investigator Fritz Linfelder walks into the jail to sit
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: down with uncle. And just like with Bridget, Linfelder sets
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the psychological tone of the room immediately. He looks at
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: uncle and says, I am not interested in talking to
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you about why you're here right now. I'm not looking
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to jam you up. He makes it clear he only
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: cares about the murders at the quarry.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Right, and Uncle is naturally guarded, adhering to the gang's
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: code of silence, but the familial bond overrides it. He
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: confirms the core of the motive.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: What does he say?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: He tells investigator Lindfelder that he was actively trying to
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: help his nephews lay low because Nemo had come to
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: him two days prior, absolutely terrified. Nemo confessed that Cush
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and Black were hunting them across La Crosse because they
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: firmly believed Nemo had stolen their money.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Uncle told Nemo, man, don't worry about it, man. Just
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: stay with me. If anything happens, I'm here with you.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But here is the behavioral detail that gave me absolute chills.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Uncle tells the detective that he actually saw Kush and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Black earlier on the very day of the murders. He
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: approached them on the street to tell them to back
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: off his nephews. And Uncle says Kush was talking completely normal. Really? Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: He was posturing a bit, acting macho, but otherwise completely
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: unbothered and conversational. Wow.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It highlights a terrifying capacity for sociopathic compartmentalization. These two
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: men were actively plotting to hunt Nemo and Pang with
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: lethal intent, yet they could engage in a casual face-to-face
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: conversation with the victim's gang-affiliated uncle without showing a single
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: micro-expression of their true intentions.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And the paranoia woven into this network is so deep
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that even after the murders, Uncle suspects Bridget might have
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: orchestrated the whole thing.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's wild.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Right. He tells the Tops he read some of the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: early discovery documents, saw that Bridget drove the car to
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the quarry, And he hypothesized that maybe she was the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: mastermind who tipped off Cush and Black, which was wild
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: given her sheer terror. But it shows how nobody trusts
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: anybody in this ecosystem. If it's a corporate org chart,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: then Uncle is middle management whose subordinates just completely ignored
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: his directives.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: The implications of that middle management analogy are crucial. Uncle
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: tried to assert authority to protect them, telling them to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: stay put. But he ultimately failed because he didn't have
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: absolute control.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Street-level gang affiliations often function as a highly disorganized confederation
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: of shifting loyalties. It isn't the highly disciplined, rigid hierarchy
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: of the traditional Italian mafia we see in movies.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: It's messy.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: It's extremely messy, driven by paranoia, drug use, and perceived slights.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: That lack of structural discipline is exactly what allowed two
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: restless kids to leave the safety of the hotel room
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: and walk right into an ambush.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Well, with the full legal identities of Cush and Black secured...
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the digital communications logging the debit card motive and the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: corroborating testimony from Uncle, the task force is ready to move.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: They secure the arrest warrants and initiate the takedowns.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And the arrests of these two men offer a fascinating
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: contrast in criminal behavior and operational luck.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: They really do. Let's start with the arrest of Cam Raditansak,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: or Black. A task force tracks him down while he's
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: traveling in a vehicle with his girlfriend.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: When the unmarked units box him in and move to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: arrest him, Black decides to make a run for it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: He bails out of the car. But he doesn't get
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: far because in the middle of his dramatic sprint away
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: from the police, he severely pulls a hamstring and goes
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: down in agony.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the police just scoop him up off the pavement.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, a heavily armed secondary task force supported by tactical
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: units from the U.S. Marshal Service tracks Nia Taokush to
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: a neighboring county. He's hiding out in a small, cramped
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: rental house that is actively being used to house a
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: rotating cast of recent prison parolees.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Kush's arrest feels scripted for a movie. As the marshals
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: are setting up their tactical perimeter around the house, preparing
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: to breach, a massive regional power blackout suddenly hits the area.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Just completely dark.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: The entire grid goes dark. But the marshals are equipped
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: with night vision, and they move in anyway. Kush surrenders
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: without firing a shot.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Heh.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Now both suspects are in custody, secured in separate interview
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: rooms at the station. And this is where we see
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: two completely divergent strategies for surviving a triple homicide interrogation.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Cush adopts the strategy of absolute unbreakable silence. He's a
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: hardened criminal who has been through the prison system.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: He knows the drill.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He knows exactly how the interrogation game is played. He
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: knows that speaking only generates liabilities. He refuses to answer questions.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: The only time he breaks his silence is much later.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: when he specifically requests the police come to his holding
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: cell so he can falsely confess to stealing a car,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: a car that a different associate was being accused of stealing.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: It is a highly calculated deflection tactic designed to throw
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: sand in the gears of a lesser charge. When the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: detectives ask if he wants to finally talk about the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: murders at the quarry, he simply says no and shuts
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: down completely.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: He gives them absolutely nothing to work with. But if
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: we pivot over to Black's interview room, it's a completely
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: different universe. Oh, yeah. Black is sitting in a chair,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: literally nursing his injured hamstring, and he just cannot stop talking.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: He talks for hours on end. He engages in these
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: incredible verbal gymnastics trying to minimize his culpability.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Initially, he denies being involved in any capacity. When that fails,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: he actually attempts to ask the detectives for blanket immunity.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Which is almost comical. The detectives basically laugh at him.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: They clearly communicate that this isn't a low-level narcotics bus
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: where he can trade a supplier's name to walk out
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the front door. This is a triple homicide execution. The
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: best he can hope for is a sentence reduction so
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: he doesn't expire in a prison cell.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Realizing the gravity of his situation, Black pivots to a
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: new strategy. He decides his only viable option for survival
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: is to throw Kush entirely under the bus.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: He admits he was physically present at the quarry, but
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: he attempts to paint himself simply as the frustrated driver.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: He says he was busy arguing with Bridget outside the vehicles,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: complaining that he was tired and just wanted to go
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: back to the hotel and sleep.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: He claims that Cush unilaterally took control of the situation,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: aggressively moved the men to the gate, and went completely
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: rogue without Black's approval.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: But then Black tells a lie that is so utterly absurd,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: it actively defies the laws of physics.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: He tells the detectives that while the three victims were
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: on their knees facing the heavy gate, Cush suddenly hopped
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the tall fence... ran off into the pitch black darkness
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of the quarry, and then mysteriously climbed back over the fence. Yeah!
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Black claims he got frustrated by this bizarre behavior, decided
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: he was leaving, and walked back to his car. Then
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: he says Cush fired two shots. Black says he went
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to the back door of the car to see what
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: was happening. And this is his actual quote from the transcript.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: He claims Cush was firing his gun close enough where
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: their ears were.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: He's attempting to claim Cush fired warning shots. Yes.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: He claims Cush was just firing warning shots by their
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: ears to scare them and that the victims were alive,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: yelling and cursing at them. Black says he heroically yelled
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: at Cush, knock that shit off. These are kids. Get
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: in the freaking car. And then he claims they drove
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: away together, leaving all three men completely alive and unharmed
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: in the gravel.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: It is a stunning, desperate fabrication.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: It's like a child standing next to a shattered vase,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: holding a baseball bat and pointing at the family dog.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Black claims he saw warning shots whizzing past their ears.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: But we know from the very first scene at the quarry,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: forensic technicians meticulously documented stippling and powder burns indicating the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: gun was pressed mere inches from their skin and recovered
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: evidence of execution-style bullet wounds straight into the backs and
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: heads of the victims. When interrogators are sitting in a
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: small claustrophobic room for hours listening to a suspect tell
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: a physics-defying lie that is completely contradicted by the blood
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and brass on the ground, How do they not just
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: lose their minds and scream at him? What is the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: tactical purpose of letting him lie?
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Well, patience is the interrogator's most lethal weapon. They let
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: him talk because every single lie he fabricates legally locks
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: him into a narrative.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: They aren't there to correct him or teach him forensics.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: They're there to let him weave his own rope. When
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the prosecution eventually presents the incontrovertible physical evidence, the exact
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: diameter of the powder burns, the downward bullet trajectories, The
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: clustered shell cases, his documented lies about warning shots, will
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: utterly destroy his credibility in front of a jury.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: So they just let him bury himself.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly. His minimized version of events is entirely disputed by
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: the mechanical reality of the crime scene.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: So the task force has assembled a formidable case. They
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: have Bridget's verified eyewitness testimony. They have the digital trail
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: of text messages establishing motive. They have a confession that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: places Black at the exact scene. And they have the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: rigorous forensic data from the autopsies. They spend the next
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: few months building a massive prosecutorial package, painstakingly pulling together
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: all the municipal CCTV footage, tracking the cars moving through
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: La Crosse that night. But despite all of this, there's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: one final critical piece of the puzzle missing. The murder
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: weapon itself. Cush and Black successfully disposed of it in
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the dark.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And that weapon remained hidden from the world for two
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: full years.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Two years later, the weather has cycled through two harsh
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin winters and humid summers. A local couple who lived
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a few miles away from the Romskog quarry were out
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: for a walk along a rural stretch of road. They
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: were just doing a good deed, picking up trash along
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the shoulder. And there, buried beneath layers of decaying leaves
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: and dirt, they uncover a heavily rusted pistol.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Despite the severe weathering and rust, the weapon's lethal potential
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: was perfectly preserved. The magazine was still seated in the grip,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and the rounds were still loaded and ready to fire.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: It had been sitting out in the rain, the snow,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the elements for 730 days. The final piece of ballistic
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: evidence literally surfaced from the dirt to close the loop.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: With the weapon recovered and forensically linked to the shell
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: casings at the quarry, the legal system fully takes over.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Both Cush and Black are officially charged with three counts
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: of first-degree intentional homicide.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: But the mechanisms of justice yield very different outcomes for
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the two men.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Cush, who maintained his disciplined silence from the moment of
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: his arrest during the blackout, refuses to testify at his
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: own trial. He rolls the dice with a jury of
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: his peers. The jury finds the physical and circumstantial evidence overwhelming,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: and he's convicted on all counts.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Black, recognizing the devastating trap of his own recorded lies,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: takes a different route. He strikes a plea deal with
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the district attorney. He pleads guilty to a single count
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: of first-degree murder under the legal doctrine of being a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: party to a crime. The other two homicide counts are
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: dismissed but officially read into the court record for sentencing purposes.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: The presiding judge, Elliot Levine, hands down a severe sentence.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: He sentences Black to 20 years in a state penitentiary
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: before he's even eligible to petition for parole. During the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: sentencing hearing, Judge Levine looks directly at Black and states...
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I want you to be frankly an old man when
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you get out. You're not capable of ever doing any
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: type of violence in the future.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It is a heavy, calculated sentence designed to guarantee a
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: conviction without exposing the state to the inherent risks of
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: a trial.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: The doctrine of party to a crime is crucial here.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: In Wisconsin, accomplice liability means that if you intentionally aid
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: and abet the commission of a crime, even if you
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: are just the driver, or in this case, the enforcer
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: who forces the victims to their knees, you are held
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: legally as responsible as the person who pulls the trigger.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Ah, I didn't know that.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the state doesn't need to prove Black fired the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: fatal shot to secure a murder conviction.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: But I have to question the fundamental nature of these
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: plea deals. Let's look at Black's actions. He clearly facilitated
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a mass execution. He drove the getaway car. He violently
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: dragged Trevor out of the passenger seat. He commanded the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: men to crawl on their knees through the gravel. and
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: he bludgeoned them with the magazine well of a gun
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to establish control.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: He was heavily involved.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: By taking a plea deal, he gets a chance however
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: distant at breathing free air in 20 years. Is the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: absolute guarantee of a conviction really worth compromising the sentence
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: for someone who facilitated that level of violence?
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question, and it's a persistent tension
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: within the justice system. The philosophical desire for absolute retribution
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: versus the cold pragmatism of securing a conviction. Right. Trials
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: are incredibly volatile environments. A key witness like Bridget could
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: experience a trauma response on the stand and break down,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: rendering her testimony ineffective. Memories naturally degrade over two years.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: A single holdout juror who misinterprets the forensic data can
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: cause a mistrial, potentially putting a violent offender back on
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the street.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: That's a huge risk.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It is. The prosecution constantly weighs the emotional satisfaction of
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: securing a triple life sentence against the mathematical certainty that
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: of locking a dangerous man in a cell until his
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: physical capacity for violence is aged out of him. It's
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: an imperfect, highly pragmatic scale, but it's the operational reality
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  Speaker 2: of the courts.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: And that operational reality brings us to the end of
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a truly staggering sequence of events. Let's synthesize the aha
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: moments of this deep dive because the causality of this
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: tragedy is deeply unsettling. An entirely forgotten piece of paper,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: a missing social security card, meant Bridget couldn't go to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: her new job. That minor administrative inconvenience led her to
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: offer a ride to two paranoid men hiding in a
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: jacuzzi suite. That ride led to a midnight detour to
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: a Holiday Inn parking lot, which provided the perfect lighting
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and CCTV angles for an ambush. And that ambush culminated
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: in a triple homicide fueled by nothing more than an
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: accusation over a stolen debit card.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: The architecture of this investigation highlights the absolute necessity of
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: layering multiple perspectives to find the truth.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Without Bridget's traumatized but meticulously verified survival narrative, the police
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: had no human starting point. Without Uncle's gang-level paranoia and
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the extracted text messages, they had no discernible motive to
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: present to a jury.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And without the unblinking digital eye of the Holiday Inn
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: CCTV footage, they had no physical anchor. to permanently tie
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: those subjective stories to an objective timeline.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I want to say this directly to you, the listener.
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  Speaker 1: The next time you are frustrated by a minor inconvenience
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: in your day, like realizing you forgot a document and
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: having to turn your car around to go get it,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: remember how incredibly fragile the timeline of our lives really is.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: A five-minute delay, a missed traffic light, a forgotten piece
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: of paper. These tiny variables can entirely alter who you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: intersect with in the world. For Bridget, a lost Social
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Security card meant a collision with a hit squad.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: The margins of safety in our daily routines are much
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: thinner than we are comfortable acknowledging.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: They really are. And I want to leave you with
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: one final lingering thought. Think about that murder weapon. A loaded, lethal.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: 4 caliber pistol. It laid in the wet leaves, slowly
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: resting on the side of a rural road for two
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: whole years.
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  Speaker 2: Just sitting there.
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  Speaker 1: For 730 days, yellow school buses drove past it. People
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: walked their dogs past it. The community lived its everyday
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: mundane life just inches away from the mechanical instrument of
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: a mass execution. It makes you wonder how many pieces
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: of dark, violent history are quietly resting just inches away
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: from where we walk, where we pick up trash, or
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: where we live our everyday lives, completely hidden in plain sight.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: The landscape holds its secrets incredibly well, but as we
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: saw at the quarry, rarely forever.
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  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? It means the truth
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: eventually surfaces, even if it takes years to rust in
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the woods. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive.