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Zone 7: Trafficked at 14 by the Dixie Mafia - Tina Dixon’s Survival Story · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Most people don't know a lot about the Dixie Mafia,
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  Speaker 1: especially as it relates to human trafficking. So the Dixie Mafia, a.k.a.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Southern Mob, a.k.a. Cornbread Cosa Notra. Listen, y'all, we got
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  Speaker 1: somebody tonight that's going to help us not only understand
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: it at a level that we have not had on
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  Speaker 1: this show yet, but a deeply personal level. which I
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  Speaker 1: respect so much that anybody is willing to come talk
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  Speaker 1: to us and just pull that curtain back and expose
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: their private life. You know, I've worked Dixie Mafia cases
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  Speaker 1: and cases that had Dixie Mafia ties. Pauline Pusser, the
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  Speaker 1: cold case out of Tennessee. I've worked with Billy Burt
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  Speaker 1: on some of his dad's crimes in Georgia. Mary Shotwell
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  Speaker 1: Little allegedly had some Dixie Mafia ties. And then my book,
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  Speaker 1: Swans Don't Swim in the Sewer, The Murder of the
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  Speaker 1: Flint River Killer's Daughter, had some Dixie Mafia ties throughout it. Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: I am thrilled to welcome Tina Dixon. Tina, how are you, honey?
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  Speaker 2: I am doing great. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: And I love when I'm talking with someone that has
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  Speaker 2: a similar accent. Then it makes me.
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  Speaker 1: Finally, somebody I can understand. I get it. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: tell you, your life, you know, it's hard to even
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  Speaker 1: know where to start, but I'm just going to jump
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  Speaker 1: right on into this thing. For everybody listening, Tina and
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: I are going to talk grown tonight. And what's real
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  Speaker 1: important is when you hear me say hooker, I am
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  Speaker 1: not being disparaging. I'm being clear. I'm being accurate because
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  Speaker 1: in my world, In Tina's world, a hooker versus a
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  Speaker 1: call girl versus an escort versus somebody that's kidnapped, drugged,
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  Speaker 1: and taken somewhere, those are four very different victims. So
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  Speaker 1: to say sex trafficking, that doesn't tell me what I
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  Speaker 1: need to know about the victim. I need to understand
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  Speaker 1: the victim to understand the suspectology. A person... that goes
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  Speaker 1: to a side road bar in deep Louisiana for 15
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  Speaker 1: minutes with a 14-year-old girl is not the same person
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  Speaker 1: that's paying $ 10, 000 a night at the plaza. So I
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  Speaker 1: want y'all to understand I'm not going to say sex
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  Speaker 1: trafficked for the purposes of this show. And I just
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: want that clear that Tina knows what I'm saying. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted y'all to know why I'm talking the way that
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking. Fair enough, Tina?
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough. And I'm really glad that you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that because, you know, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: I run an organization for women that have been trafficked.
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  Speaker 2: And all of those girls, regardless of the circumstance that
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  Speaker 2: they're in, regardless of whether they're a call girl, whether
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  Speaker 2: they work the track, whether they are turning tricks for
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  Speaker 2: 15 minutes in a side room, the people that are
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  Speaker 2: exploiting them at the end of the day, they are
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  Speaker 2: sex traffickers.
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  Speaker 1: 100%. 100%. So, Tina, you are dancing at Big Daddy's
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  Speaker 1: on Bourbon Street in New Orleans, honey, in 1976, 77.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about that atmosphere. What in the world was
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  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 2: You know, that was a really, really crazy time. And
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  Speaker 2: to clarify that, I was 14 years old. I had
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  Speaker 2: run away from home. My father was an outlaw biker.
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  Speaker 2: My mother was a psychic. And I was from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: And the closest place I could get in trouble was
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  Speaker 2: Bourbon Street. So I ran away to Bourbon Street and
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  Speaker 2: I met another biker. Of course, I grew up around
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  Speaker 2: biker households. So when I saw Harley Davidson's, it was
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  Speaker 2: like a comfort zone for me. And I met this
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  Speaker 2: guy and his name was Mickey. And he was in
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  Speaker 2: the Galloping Gooses Motorcycle Club. And I became his old lady.
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  Speaker 2: And before you know it, he got me a fake
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  Speaker 2: ID and I was dancing on Bourbon Street at Big Daddy's.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So you said just then something I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard anybody say quite this way. You said Bourbon Street
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  Speaker 1: was the place. The closest place I could get in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Bourbon Street was definitely the place you could get
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  Speaker 2: in trouble. There was a lot going there.
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  Speaker 1: At 14?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, at 14.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So Mickey, how old was Mickey?
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  Speaker 2: Mickey was probably 38, 39. I don't, I can't really,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't think we ever discussed ages because
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  Speaker 2: he sure didn't want to know my age. I was
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  Speaker 2: very well endowed as a child, you know, it was just,
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  Speaker 2: corn fed basically. And, um, and I was, I was really, um,
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  Speaker 2: enthused about the life of outlaw biker. And I had been,
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  Speaker 2: my mom was, you know, my dad was an outlaw biker.
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  Speaker 2: My mom had my daddy's eye and I wanted that
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  Speaker 2: same thing from another man. I was missing my daddy
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  Speaker 2: and this man came along and He made me his
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  Speaker 2: old lady and he threw me back on the back
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  Speaker 2: of his Harley and he put me to work in
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  Speaker 2: the clubs with the other old ladies in the club.
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  Speaker 2: And I felt at home. I felt that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I felt actually some kind of security there.
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  Speaker 1: Did you realize he was working you or did you
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  Speaker 1: really think, hey, this is our relationship. I'm helping the
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  Speaker 1: family make money.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's exactly what I felt. I felt like I
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  Speaker 2: was helping. And actually, the way that they ran the game,
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  Speaker 2: they ran it down, was more about you were helping
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  Speaker 2: the club. You were helping the club survive. And we
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  Speaker 2: all pitched in and he pitched in his money and
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  Speaker 2: he pitched in our money, who became my money, because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he ever had a job. It was
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  Speaker 2: definitely me, the only one in the household working there.
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  Speaker 2: um but it was it was like i was a
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  Speaker 2: member i was property of this club actually i had
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  Speaker 2: a patch of little vest that i wore that said
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  Speaker 2: property of the galloping gooses.
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  Speaker 1: So again you felt at home with that so when
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  Speaker 1: you get into the next club funky butts what happens.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Funky Butts is a club, is like a bar
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  Speaker 2: on Toulouse Street off of Bourbon Street. It's about a
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  Speaker 2: block and a half off of Bourbon Street. And there
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  Speaker 2: was a time that, and usually Mickey would go out
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  Speaker 2: of town a lot. Those guys would go on a
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  Speaker 2: lot of runs with their brothers and they'd go out
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  Speaker 2: of town and do all kinds of, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: drug deals or whatever they were doing. I know they
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  Speaker 2: were moving a lot of speed during that time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And when he would go out of town, I would
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  Speaker 2: be left to work. But typically when he went out
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  Speaker 2: of town, I'd go find something to get in trouble with.
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  Speaker 2: And so one day I was walking down off of
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  Speaker 2: Bourbon Street on Toulouse Street. I walked by Funky Butts
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  Speaker 2: and there was this man that was sitting on the table.
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  Speaker 2: He had a three piece suit on and a pistol
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  Speaker 2: sitting on the table. And I'm like, well, there he is.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be my man.
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  Speaker 1: What did it for you, the three-piece suit or the
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  Speaker 1: pistol or the combination?
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  Speaker 2: The combination. He had that gangster brim on. He looked
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  Speaker 2: like he stepped out of a movie.
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  Speaker 1: I got you.
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  Speaker 2: And I was, you know, and one of the things
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  Speaker 2: about that biker lifestyle is those guys were not really clean.
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  Speaker 2: And this guy was sharp and fresh and he knew
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  Speaker 2: the right things to say. That's really how that really started.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like a Casanova pimp.
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  Speaker 2: He was. He was definitely a Casanova pimp until he
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  Speaker 2: became a gorilla pimp. Yep.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: Now tell everybody what that means.
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  Speaker 2: So a Casanova pimp is somebody that is a pimp.
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  Speaker 2: He meets a girl and it's like a boyfriend-girlfriend type
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  Speaker 2: of situation. And he continues to manipulate her mind to
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  Speaker 2: let her know that what she's doing, she's doing it
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  Speaker 2: for them. That they're trying to build a life together.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to have children and get married. And they
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  Speaker 2: just continue to build this dream. A guerrilla pimp is
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  Speaker 2: a pimp that uses force. He instills fear and he
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  Speaker 2: uses force. And even though there are no bars or
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  Speaker 2: any locks, he instills so much fear in you that
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  Speaker 2: you're scared to leave. And so it's like a mental
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  Speaker 2: prison of sorts.
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  Speaker 1: Did you think you were going to be in any danger?
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  Speaker 1: from the Galloping Gooses, did you think this new man
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  Speaker 1: was gonna be able to protect you from Mickey coming
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  Speaker 1: to look for you?
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  Speaker 2: I was not scared about that at all. I knew
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  Speaker 2: that this guy was well connected. I had seen some
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  Speaker 2: of those guys around the quarter before. And I know
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  Speaker 2: that the Galloping Gooses and the bikers in the community,
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  Speaker 2: they did business with these guys. But that thought didn't
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  Speaker 2: really cross my mind. And he took me out of
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  Speaker 2: there really quickly. It wasn't long before we were on
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  Speaker 2: the road. hidden different bar rooms in the back swamps
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  Speaker 2: of Louisiana where he would gamble and he would introduce
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  Speaker 2: me to his friends, quote, quote.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. They call that the circuit?
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  Speaker 2: The circuit. Yeah, the circuit is pretty much this route,
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  Speaker 2: if you will, of these little beer joints that are behind,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that are way out in the swamps and
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  Speaker 2: they have a back room for poker and a back
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  Speaker 2: room for prostitution. That's as easy as I can say it.
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  Speaker 2: And he would go to these different bars and there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of drugs. We actually stayed traveling around
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  Speaker 2: these places for about three days doing cocaine. I was
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  Speaker 2: done by the time that we got to his bar
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  Speaker 2: that was in Baton Rouge.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. You know, and just to let the listeners know,
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  Speaker 1: there's still a circuit. I mean, every pimp has one.
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  Speaker 1: And like Atlanta's having the FIFA right now. So there
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  Speaker 1: are people that are being brought here just for prostitution purposes.
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  Speaker 1: Any major sporting event, girls are going to be brought there.
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  Speaker 1: So this is not something unusual that she's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: It's not something that went away, you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: 50s or the 70s or the 90s. It's active right now.
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  Speaker 1: So it's important that what Tina is describing, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: backroom bars in Louisiana or major sporting events, it's still
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  Speaker 1: a circuit.
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  Speaker 2: That's absolutely true. And the thing about these days and
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  Speaker 2: what we fight against so hard is this online situation
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  Speaker 2: where our predators are online now and they're in our daughters'
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  Speaker 2: bedrooms doing this Casanova thing. pimp, you know, like your
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  Speaker 2: mom and your dad's not paying attention to you. Your
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  Speaker 2: dad's too strict. There's some abuse going on. You're being beat. Well,
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  Speaker 2: come over here and I'm going to take care of
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  Speaker 2: you and I'm not going to treat you like that.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to do something together and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get married and all of this stuff that they
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  Speaker 2: tell them. And they can do it from online and
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  Speaker 2: convince these young ladies to leave.
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  Speaker 1: And for you, I mean, you ran away at 11.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, you had said your dad is in
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  Speaker 1: a biker gang, your mom is a psychic, but there
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  Speaker 1: had to be some abuse there. There had to be
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  Speaker 1: a reason for you to run at 11.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there definitely was some abuse. I was sexually molested
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  Speaker 2: by one of my father's motorcycle guys when I was
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  Speaker 2: seven years old, and that continued for about three years.
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  Speaker 2: He was our babysitter when he was what they call
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  Speaker 2: a prospect. So he's prospecting for the club.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to get in the gang.
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  Speaker 2: He was trying to get in the gang. And so
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  Speaker 2: they do various jobs, and one of his jobs was babysitting.
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  Speaker 2: And during this time that he babysitted me, he would
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  Speaker 2: molest me.
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  Speaker 1: I am so sorry. Eleven years old. That wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: leap to think something really traumatic had happened to you.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: You are now in a bar. There's a bar owner
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  Speaker 1: named Flop. Do you know he's Dixie Mafia or connected
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  Speaker 1: or what's going on now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that he's connected at that time.
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  Speaker 2: But we do leave. And so 231 on that, Flop
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  Speaker 2: was actually his name.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I wouldn't have thought that.
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  Speaker 2: No. All right. Yeah. But he brought me to his
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  Speaker 2: bar that he owned in Baton Rouge. And when he
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: brought me to that bar, when he had, wait, hold
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  Speaker 2: on a minute. When he brought me to that bar,
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  Speaker 2: he took me to the back room. And in that
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  Speaker 2: back room, they had racks and racks of little dresses
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  Speaker 2: and little makeup kits and everything a girl could need
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  Speaker 2: to go and stay, do a stitch, what they called
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: a stint at the At the brothel that was on
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  Speaker 2: the circuit.
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  Speaker 1: You're learning to put together your hoe bag.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Learning to put together my hoe bag for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. All right. And you're just so young. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: my mind is a little blown because you're not 19.
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  Speaker 1: You're not 17. You're not 16. I mean, you're so,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you are a child in every sense of
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: the word, except now your experience, you're pretty freaking grown.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. I had to grow up really, really fast.
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  Speaker 2: I still was a child in the sense that I
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  Speaker 2: craved love and attention. And that craving right there is
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  Speaker 2: what got me deep in the throes of being trafficked
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  Speaker 2: by the Dixie Mafia.
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  Speaker 1: I tell people a lot, Tina, that I have never
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: met a street-walking prostitute. that was not addicted to drugs,
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  Speaker 1: never in my career. There's usually a background so dark
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  Speaker 1: and so abusive that that is their escape. And I
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  Speaker 1: know that you started using cocaine. How old were you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I started using cocaine. Actually, Flop, who was the
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  Speaker 2: guy that I ran off with initially, he introduced me
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  Speaker 2: to cocaine that weekend. I had done pills prior to
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  Speaker 2: that on Bourbon Street, but the harder drugs was kept
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  Speaker 2: away from me. And I had a love affair with cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to look back at that, but when you
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  Speaker 2: look back at it and you see how many years
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  Speaker 2: that you continue to fall into these situations with these
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  Speaker 2: bad men and with these men that want nothing but
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  Speaker 2: to exploit you, you do it a lot of times you,
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  Speaker 2: they convince you and they, and they manipulate you with
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  Speaker 2: those drugs. And it's the very, it's like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it's like the very same drug that checks you out
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  Speaker 2: and makes you forget about everything these same men are
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  Speaker 2: doing to you. It's kind of like a oxymoron just
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: goes in this continuous circle.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And it's another reason you can't save your money.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And that you can't leave because the supply is there.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us about the spot. There's a bell that
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  Speaker 1: gets rung and what happens?
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  Speaker 2: So about the third day, Flop and I were traveling
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  Speaker 2: and we get to this place and he says, Daddy's
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: going to leave you here now. And it's just like
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  Speaker 2: the strip club. You'll do fine. And we pull in
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  Speaker 2: and there's this big metal gate and they open the gate.
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  Speaker 2: We go in. And when we walk in, there's a desk.
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  Speaker 2: And when we as when we when we walked in
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  Speaker 2: the door, this bell rang and all the girls started
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: coming from all these different places to line up. I
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: guess they thought there was a customer coming and not us.
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  Speaker 2: So the girls dispersed. But one girl stayed there. Her
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  Speaker 2: name was Becky. And we got to this desk and
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  Speaker 2: there was a man and one of those. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you remember these or not, but the old
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: men used to wear those coveralls. And they were all
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: in one jumpsuit. And this man and he was smoking
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  Speaker 2: a cigar and he was sitting behind this desk and
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: he introduced me. And then he said, Daddy's going to
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: leave you here right now. And I'll be back in
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  Speaker 2: 10 days. Make Daddy some money. And that's the last
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  Speaker 2: thing he said. And then this guy read his name
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  Speaker 2: was read. He introduced me to him. this tall blonde
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: woman that was like, just really mean looking. I'll never
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  Speaker 2: forget that. She was just really mean looking. And she
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: took me by my arm and she said, I'm going
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: to be your big sister and I'm going to teach
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  Speaker 2: you what to do. And she took me to this
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  Speaker 2: room and it was a bed in the room and
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: it was a little sink on the side. And I,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I couldn't like really understand what the sink, why there
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: was a sink in the bedroom. And then it made
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: sense that that was to clean up the man and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: make sure he didn't have any diseases. And of course
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  Speaker 2: she taught me all of that and taught me everything
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  Speaker 2: I needed to do to please a man in order
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  Speaker 2: to get paid and get out of there in 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what they gave you. 15 minutes to, to
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  Speaker 2: take care of business with the guy and get on,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: get onto the next guy.
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  Speaker 1: How many dates would you have a day? How long
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  Speaker 1: did you have to work?
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  Speaker 2: We worked about 12 hours a day from about 12
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: o'clock noon to, well, sometimes 14 hours, 2 o'clock in
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  Speaker 2: the morning. Usually most places had to be closed by
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  Speaker 2: 2 o'clock in the morning. So we worked 12, 15,
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  Speaker 2: 14 hours. So I would say maybe about 8 to
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  Speaker 2: 10 dates a day.
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  Speaker 1: Once he said, I'm going to be back in 10 days.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know immediately what your new gig was or
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  Speaker 1: did it take you a while? into the room with
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: just the bedroom and, I mean, the bed and the sink?
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  Speaker 2: That's actually, that's 100% of where it hit me. 100%,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting on that bed and I look at the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: sink and finally it comes clear and I realize exactly
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  Speaker 2: what I'm there for.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the first time you got beat?
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  Speaker 2: So what happened in that situation was I, I had
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: been working in the clubs for quite some time. So
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I like to drink in this particular place. They didn't
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: let the girls drink, but I used to sneak the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: customer's drinks. And so one day I got real rambunctious.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I started getting in the man and red space. I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: told him, Colin, a cab, give me your, give me
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: my money. I'm leaving here. And he said, no, you're not.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You're on at 12. You better go get ready to
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: go to work. And I kept on and I kept
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: insisting that I wasn't going to work there anymore. I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to go home. And he took me to a
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: room and he locked me in the room. And he
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: called the pimp. He called my trafficker. And when he
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: got there, he grabbed me by my hair, dragged me
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: out of the room. They called all the girls to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the parlor. And so that they can witness me getting beat. And,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and he used a clothes hanger in front
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: of all the girls until, you know, I would submit, basically.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I wasn't talking about running away anymore.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And again, for the folks listening, I mean, it's obvious
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: why that happened that way. That's how you control the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: rest of them. Because if they don't get in line
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and stay in line, that's going to happen to them.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And again, this ain't nothing new. It's happening today. It's
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: not something that they don't utilize. That's why we have
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: pimps that beat the hooker right there on the street
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: in front of God and country. They don't even care
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: who's witnessing.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And here's what's amazing to me. You're still so young,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: but you got a mouth on you, honey, and you
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: have an attitude. And that doesn't completely go away, coat
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: hanger or no coat hanger.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: No, it does not go away. And I continued to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: get in trouble until the point that I had to
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: run away from him and go find another guy. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: that was basically the story of my life, to be honest.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I would go with one pimp. So after I met him,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: then there was this thing in my head that the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: only way that I was going to behave myself and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: do right is if I had a pimp. But then
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I'd get tired of that control. So I'd go out
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and I'd use drugs and I'd run away and I'd
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: take all the money and go get high. My life
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: would be in shambles because of the drugs. But in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: my mind, a pimp was the only person that was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: going to solve that problem. A pimp was the only
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: one that was going to have enough control over me
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to keep me from getting high and enable me to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: have the life that I always dreamed of. But it
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't the life that I always dreamed of. At the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: end of the day, it was the life and the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: money that I was giving him. And he was the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: one that got the benefits of of that, not me,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: my life. I didn't get a car in my name.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't get a house in my name. I didn't
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: get any stability. He got the stability on my back. 100%.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And that's when you go with Jimmy Danos.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I do. I leave him. So he had me working
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: in the club and I meet this guy, Jimmy Danos.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And he used to, he was, he was sweet on
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: me and he would come into the club And he
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: would give me speed. And so I'd sneak it and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I'd just do a little bit. So nobody would know.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And I, you know, we, I'd kind of hush, hush,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: talk to him. And one day he convinced me to leave.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And so I left the club with Jimmy and he
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: took me to his house and I found out that
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: he was a drug dealer. He wasn't Dixie Moppy. He
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: was a drug dealer. And he was the devil. He
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: was definitely the devil.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And that's why I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: think it's so important that if we're talking about it,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: where do I find these Johns? Where do we, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: put the spotlight on them? Because the reality is some
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: are on Wall Street. Some are at the fancy, you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Fortune 50 companies. Some are your mechanic. Some may be
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: a school teacher. Some may be a preacher. But where
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you find them is not necessarily going to be the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: same place.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. And some of them are going to be
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: coming into your home on your daughter's computer while she's
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: locked in her room doing homework.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: No doubt. No doubt. And I always say this. There
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: ain't no such thing as a part-time serial killer. And
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: there ain't no such thing as a part-time child molester.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And we're talking about that specifically, too, on these computers.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: That's what Tina's telling y'all. They know how to do it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: They know how to finesse. They know what to say
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to her. They do. And as soon as they think, well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this girl's not getting the attention. I'm going to tell
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: her how beautiful she is. I'm going to tell her
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: her parents are holding her back. She's not a baby.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: She's a grown woman. And I love her like a
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: grown woman. And the next thing you know, she's running
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: down the street meeting and having no idea she's about
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to be five states away.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That recently happened in Louisiana. There was a 13
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: year old girl that was talking to a guy on
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the computer and the mom had done everything she could
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: to keep that child from being online. And she managed
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to wrangle a tablet somewhere and she started talking to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: this guy and she left him. They have pictures of
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: her at the Baton Rouge bus station and they started
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: looking for her and they found her in Baltimore, Maryland
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: in a case that he had, when they raided the house,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: he stuffed her in this this case, like this plastic tub.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And that's where they found her at. And she had
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: said that that's where they kept her in between, in
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: between the times that she would have to service, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: have sex with the various guys that would come to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that apartment.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Good Lord. Good Lord. Yeah, more has got to be done.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: You hear stories like this and they're not rare. They're not.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: It happens every day, all day, y'all. So remember I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: told y'all that Tina's got a mouth on her and,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you know, once it gets going, she's like my best friend, Bay.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: You know, when we worked together, you know, she would
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: sometimes get on a roll and she'd push that envelope,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: whether it was to a supervisor or whoever. But here's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: what I want you to tell us. Tell us about
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you stopping and after hitchhiking, what happens to you?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: As I told you before, I was constantly, I was
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: constantly on the run because typically if I got tired
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: of being controlled, then if I got enough drugs in
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: my system and I got tired of being controlled, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: would take off. And this one particular time I needed
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to get out of town. So I went to a
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: truck stop to try to go back to California, um,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And that would happen when you go to a truck stop.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Just like you say, there's the track, there's the stroll
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: where the girls work on. There's also truck stops where
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: girls work at. And it's a whole other culture where
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: girls work in prostitution.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Y'all, they're called lot lizards. Go ahead, honey. Go ahead, honey.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And so I had made some money there and I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: go into... I go into in a taxi and a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: taxi generally knows where you can get some drugs at.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: So I was like, I need to get some drugs.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: And he took me to the project in San Antonio, Texas.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I got in the projects and I bought some drugs
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: and I got a little bit further back and attempted
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to use those drugs. And it was not real drugs.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: It was fake drugs, which happens all the time. They
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: sell you bad stuff. Um, so I was, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: real aggravated, pissed off. I left, I went further deeper
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: into there and I ended up getting some real drugs
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and some real crack and I smoked the crack and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I was leaving to go out of there. And I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: saw the guy that sold me the bad drugs. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: because I have a mouth on me, because I had
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: been drinking that night, I started talking mess to him.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: You're going to give me my money. You're going to
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: give me my money. And all he could say was,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: white girl, you better get out of here. White girl,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you better get out of here. And I kept talking
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: smack and he kept telling me to get out of here.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And before I know it, he had pulled his pistol
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and shot me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: He shot you twice.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And the craziest thing ever is I'm laying on the ground.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And I talk about this when I share my recovery story.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: The true meaning of powerlessness is... That night, when I'm
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: laying on my back, I'm going into shock, and I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: have this crack in my mouth. And the only thing
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that I could think about was who had a pipe
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: so I could get me one more hit.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And y'all, let me tell you, she did turn her
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: life around. She went to rehab 17 times. 17 times.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And with the background that you have just heard, she
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: started a nonprofit to help other victims. Freaking hero. Freaking
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: hero is all I can tell you.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: You know, what I really want to put across out
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: there is that I didn't change my life until I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: was 48 years old. I was in that lifestyle, addicted
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to drugs, going in and out of rehab, blowing my
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: life up for years and years until something finally snapped
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: in me. And I went to a program. I went
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to a program in Las Vegas, and I had some
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: real trauma therapy. I had EMDR therapy. And EMDR changed
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: everything in me because really, I had PTSD from all
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the things that had happened to me. And so until
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I could address that PTSD, I was never going to
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: be able to stay clean. And so now I have
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: 13 years clean. And since 2013, I went into this
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: one year program in Las Vegas called Destiny House, crazy
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: organization called Hookers for Jesus. But what they what they
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: mean by that is they will be fishers of men.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: But she's a market. Annie LaBear is a marketing genius.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I have to say that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you, Hookers for Genius would have
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: stopped me in my tracks. I need the shirt. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: need the bumper sticker. I love it. Yes, yes, yes.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. And she had a program that was a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: lot different than the rehabs I had been into. There
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: was a house donated by somebody. It was an old
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: rat pack house in Las Vegas that was donated by somebody.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Its daughter had been killed by her pimp. And he
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: donated this house to Annie, and they called it Destiny House.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And I was one of the first four girls there.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And it was the entire reason that I stayed because
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it was different. Now, it was strict. We weren't allowed.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: We weren't allowed but 10 people on our phone list.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: We only could watch Christian TV. But it was in
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: this big, beautiful mansion with a swimming pool and tennis courts.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And they took us out to dinner and to movies
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: every weekend. And they really just kind of loved on
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: us rather than pushing all this principle and theory on you.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: They worked on the trauma and the things that were
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: wrong with us. And when my trauma was addressed, it
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: changed everything for me.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Well, Tina, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: your honesty, your realness. You're just wide open with it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I know how many people you're helping, and I appreciate
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: what you're doing every single day.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much. And
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm in the process of writing my book.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: It's called Going to the Country. The name that I chose,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Going to the Country, is exactly what my pimp would
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: say before we would go to one of these spots
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: that would, these brothels in the woods and in the bayous. Say,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: come on, get ready. We're going to the country. And
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: so the title of my book is Going to the Country.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And There's a pre-launch lander that can be found on
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: my website, queensdm.org, and you can go and sign up
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and get information about when I release the book.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I will talk to you soon, and I appreciate
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you so much.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, thank you so much.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone 7 the way I always do,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: with a quote. Fake is all outdoors, and you know that.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Real don't have to be proven. It reflects. You can
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: see the realness. Now run, tell that. Don, magic wand,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a former pimp. I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone 7.