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Nolan Rappe, DPT, Premier Pitching Performance (Ep. 85) · The Layback Podcast

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  Hey everyone, welcome back to the Lay Back podcast.
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  Joining us today is now recurring guest Physical
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  therapist, Nolan Repay. Although physical therapist
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  might not be his primary title anymore that he's shifted over
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  to working with premier pitching performance.
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  It is a premier facility located in Saint Louis, but they do a
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  ton remotely. They've got guys nationwide,
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  worldwide for that matter, and Nolan has really revamped and
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  assisted what they're doing on both the business side as well
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  as internally with player programs and performance.
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  I don't want to butcher too much of it, as you guys know.
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  So with this, I'm going to punt it over to him and make sure he
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  can pick up the pieces of what I probably fumble pretty badly.
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  So Nolan, thanks for coming on. Hopefully you can shed some
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  light on what your actual role is, because like I said, I
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  probably messed that up somewhere in the process.
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  I appreciate it did a pretty good job and I was laughing when
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  you asked me to come back on Man, we must be scraping the
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  bottom of the barrel if we're hitting a recurring guest with
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  me kind of starting that off a little bit now, but but
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  obviously have a ton of respect for what you guys have built
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  with Flex Pro and big fan of it. Been a big supporter of it
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  really since I I found out about the product itself.
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  I think it's been fantastic. To give the brief overview
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  doctor physical therapy graduated from Wash U in 2017
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  was in clinic kind of a hospital outpatient based facility was
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  fortunate enough to have maybe you know some more resources
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  than your typical outpatient facility for the last two or
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  three years certainly and then specialized in baseball for
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  really the last five of those 7. Clayton College at Quincy
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  University have always loved the game had the opportunity how
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  things kind of change to come on here in December of 24.
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  So I'm coming up on just a year here and with the reputation
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  that Premier has, you know, not only in the Saint Louis area,
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  but obviously nationally with the things that we do, it was a
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  it was a no brainer to be able to really try and, and, and
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  satisfy, maybe be more proactive on the, the side of Health and
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  Human performance as opposed to reactive and getting the kid
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  after they had they had gotten hurt.
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  And so really, really awesome team that we have here and the
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  things that we get to do every day.
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  And you certainly wake up every morning.
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  I'm excited to to get to the facility and start asking
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  questions and then trying to answer them.
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  It's it's been a lot of fun. Well, I know one of the big
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  pushes this year for you guys has been your boost platform
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  that you guys run with premiere. And I think at the end of our
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  last podcast when you were on way back when, I mean, you were
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  a first ten episode guy. So this this was ages ago at
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  this point, seeing how this is going to end up being episode 85
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  S look, look how far we've come. But we we had introduced
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  Fortify. I think Fortify was kind of up
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  and coming at that time. You were starting to work out
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  the kinks and I think implement it with your first school when
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  you had first come on the lay back podcast.
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  I know Fortify has kind of been enveloped now into the premier
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  system. So how has that grown?
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  How have the projects that you've been able to work on
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  either things you were doing individually, get integrated
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  into Premiere, or how have you been able to grow what Premieres
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  already had now that you have this awesome role of kind of
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  doing business dev? Sure, sure.
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  So for for people that don't know about kind of what we do
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  that is maybe the most unique within the baseball space is
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  that we do have a pitching lab here similar to some of the
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  other kind of, you know, top tier facilities in the country
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  and across the world. You know, pitching lab includes
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  a force plate mound kit attracts markerless motion capture 8
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  camera system, a track man, Edrotronic, and then obviously
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  in the weight room, force plates and, and various fun DBT type
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  tech. But what we do that's unique
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  compared to maybe some of those other facilities is that we pack
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  that lab into an F-150 and we drive it around essentially all
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  the Midwest and, and kind of up and down the East Coast to
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  various college partnerships that we have.
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  And so those include kind of working from the East Coast back
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  in sea state, UNC, Charlotte. I was on a on a trip down to
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  Miami to FIU within the last month.
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  Here obviously do there are local teams like Mizzou,
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  Northern Illinois, Hadley, so we don't like Carbondale, Memphis
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  and all anything in between. And so we have anywhere between
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  each year somewhere between 10 and and 12 or 13 of those
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  partnerships that we take the lab to.
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  And then typically those are schools that obviously need to
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  have the budget for it or very intentional with the fundraising
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  to, to get the budget for it. Typically are going to be your,
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  your top tier D2 teams, your mid major Division One teams.
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  And then we have obviously some of the power forwards as well
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  that we serve. We also did that, that same
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  service. We took the lab and packed it
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  down in that truck and drove it down to Jupiter this last spring
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  training with the Cardinals. And prior to to when I came on,
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  they did the same thing with the Orioles as well.
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  And they were very instrumental in helping the Orioles kind of
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  revamp their pitching Dev and certainly have some of our alums
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  still with within the Orioles organization with Mitch
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  Plasmeyer being assistant head pitching coach there at with the
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  Orioles at the big league club. And then Force Herman being the
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  director of pitching. So they had Austin Miney as
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  well. Austin's now with the Cardinals.
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  It's a it's a very unique process that we're able to share
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  with people that way. And that's why we kind of call
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  ourselves the People's Lab. But that being said, right, that
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  satisfies those teams that maybe have the budget or the means to
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  fundraise for that. Where the reason I created
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  Fortify on my own prior to coming on was to help serve
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  those colleges and those organizations that didn't have
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  that budget, that couldn't necessarily afford a really
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  robust lab setting and to be able to provide them with
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  something that could get them a performance system to help take
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  care of the physical side. And so that fit in really,
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  really well with what we do here, because now we can serve
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  the junior colleges, the NAIA schools, the smaller division,
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  two schools that, that may not have that budget yet for
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  something like the lab to come out.
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  And it just allows us to be able to, to share what we do and, and
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  what we're learning with maybe those smaller schools and
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  provide them with really a, a robust player development.
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  And to answer your question, so with Boost, it's made it that
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  much easier from a programming standpoint, from an assessment
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  standpoint, from the delivery of that.
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  And the efficiency of that is no longer a Google Sheet game.
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  It is them having an app on their phone that has everything
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  all in one place. And we also have various tools
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  within that, even for the Fortify schools and whether it
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  be tracker, which is a way to to more objectively track throwing
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  workload. We've got various reporting
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  systems. We've created the reports for
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  rap Soto and flight scope and track band and and blast for
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  these schools to be able to bring everything
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  all-encompassing in. Again, even at those small
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  school levels where they get the technical, the tactical, the
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  physical, to be able to leverage with their guys from a
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  development standpoint, it's been awesome.
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  Now directly for you. In this process, you have now
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  been thrust upon so many athletes.
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  You probably have eyeballs now on more athletes than you could
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  ever comprehend, whether it's on a spreadsheet on your computer
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  or actually in person. What is the biggest or most
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  surprising thing that you've learned over this past year from
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  a baseball perspective? So not not like wow, like we
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  really needed to do X thing to scale our business.
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  Forget now about business development from baseball.
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  What has been the most eye opening thing?
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  I think for me as a physical therapist first you're immersed
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  in such this world of of movement quality and certainly
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  with our baseline education as physical therapists, we are very
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  undereducated on proper tissue loading strategies.
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  For me and being here and seeing things now first through a
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  performance lens and then now having the ability to objectify
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  so many of those different pieces of that, you realize that
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  performance in and of itself and in improving somebody's
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  performance output actually is a massive health implication.
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  And making somebody in creating better output for that athlete,
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  whether it be on the force and whether it be on the velocity of
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  the spectrum has such profound implications on their
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  biomechanical profile, whether it be on the mountain in the
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  batter's box. That then has influence on not
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  just their performance, but their health overall.
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  And then being able to distribute force across the
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  entire system as opposed to focally loading one tissue or
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  one structure. And that output is such a key
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  piece of that, that when we assess right, we're going to
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  assess in the weight room and on the on the treatment table in
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  the absolute capacity of the spectrum.
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  Whereas in the lab on the mound, you're going to get the absolute
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  skill and right. So you got capacity and trying
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  to do as much there and isolate that at one end and then you got
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  skill at the other. And realizing how many athletes
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  that we think may have the physical capacity necessary to
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  perform what they, what they do on the mound, because the output
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  on the mound is so profound. You realize that they're just
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  very skilled that they get themselves in positions
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  biomechanically and they they transfer energy well enough to
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  then achieve that output. On the physical side, they're
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  doing it with maybe some suboptimal, whether it be
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  mobility, force, power expression, all those things.
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  And so it it really has opened my eyes to that that world of
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  enhancing force output and enhancing the output in the
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  weight room and the health implications that it does have
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  in a positive manner on the mountain.
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  And what are the top ways that you guys are tracking this?
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  Obviously with injury, it's simple.
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  Did you get hurt or did you not get hurt and you have that
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  feedback kind of running throughout a season or
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  throughout a year, but without you being able to assess every
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  player every month, where or how are coaches tracking this with
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  their athletes or how are players tracking it themselves
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  for then you guys to see that amazing return over time?
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  So there's a few different ways that we're, we're doing it
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  obviously in house, we actually do perform assessments
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  essentially on our athletes certainly every month.
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  And then we actually have them jump on the force plates every
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  single week. When you think about the use of,
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  of something like a tool, something like force plates,
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  you're going to look at benchmarking, profiling and
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  monitoring as kind of three really key uses for that piece
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  of technology. And so for us each week from a
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  monitoring perspective, we will have those athletes jump on, on
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  our plates. And it's really changed again
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  from performance perspective where we used to say, oh, if you
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  know, 4 weeks in this block, we're going to hit that and
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  we're going to change it and give you new stimulus where we
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  don't necessarily have to do that now because of all the
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  infinite ways that we can essentially create a new
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  stimulus to an athlete with the same programming, right?
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  But we're looking at it through a different lens of, OK, but
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  nervous system is still responding, the output is still
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  climbing. Why are we going to change and
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  give you a different stimulus when this stimulus currently is
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  working? And so we also have the ability
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  to, to get those athletes up on the table if they have one of
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  those KPI's from their table assessment that we really want
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  to keep an eye on, whether it be, you know, shoulder ERIR
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  strength ratios or your ranges of motion and whatnot.
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  But then from a remote perspective, we've tried to
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  create through boost as many resources and tools as possible
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  to break those barriers in obviously our view that as you
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  well know, Adam yourself in kind of knowing a little bit about
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  us. But what maybe some people don't
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  realize is that we're trying to create these satellite
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  facilities across the country that leverage in the process
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  that we have, because it is our view that in person training is
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  always going to trump remote training.
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  People are always going to crave that human to human interaction.
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  While that is true, offering a remote aspect of training for
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  athletes that don't have the ability to come in house with
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  regularity is absolutely a necessity.
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  And so we built these tools inside of this tracker, being
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  one where it's such a simple input from a throwing volume and
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  workload tracker that is only going to get better.
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  We're excited about some of the updates that are coming to that
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  to make those inputs even more individualized.
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  Even if an athlete wears something like a pulse sensor
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  and they can manually input their workload data into that
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  calendar and it's going to track acute versus chronic workload
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  ratios, it's going to track those pieces individually,
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  obviously, but then it acts as a throwing journal on steroids
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  that then allows us when we have those athlete check insurance,
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  it allows that much more efficient communication, right?
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  And then they have the ability to upload videos.
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  Now they have the ability to talk to us through that
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  platform. But even again, thinking about
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  improving the athlete experience overall is in house.
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  We talked about a lot of facilities having these very in
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  organizations have these very siloed approaches where that
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  communication because everything is all in one place that if they
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  have athlete has a conversation with, you know, Jacob class Bill
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  or our high school director of pitching, it's in there.
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  And I can see that, especially if it's flagged as something
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  that has pain associated with it, then it allows us to have
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  that conversation with that athlete right away.
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  And when it was first rolled out within this last year to our
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  athletes, it was always something internal that we were
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  doing from an assessment standpoint.
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  But when it became something that then delivered their
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  programming, it was very cool to see the conversations that we
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  were able to have with those athletes because again,
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  everything was all in one place where I'll never forget one of
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  our athletes who's now at one of our Division One schools.
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  And he talked about how he had thrown a pen coming off of
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  injury was actually a a flex pro user via Mr. Denton McNamee when
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  he was when he was still working at at his facility there.
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  He talked about how it was amazing that he was able to come
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  in that next week and four different people that he hadn't
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  talked to yet. We're asking him, hey, how you
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  feeling today? How's the how's the arm feeling?
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  And that, that to me is so important when it comes to not
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  obviously just a facility like us, but an organization to be
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  able to breakthrough those silos and having everything all in one
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  place. You've seen it, We have some pro
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  orgs that are still delivering programming through Team Builder
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  and then they're communicating through a different app from a
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  communication standpoint. And then there was another app
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  that may have medical reassessment data in it where it
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  it just makes sense to have it all in one place.
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  And that's essentially what we've started with Boost and
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  it's going to continue to get better with some of the things
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  that we're building right now. Awesome.
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  I appreciate you breaking that down.
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  And now I do want to go back to the capacity discussion that you
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  mentioned earlier before we went in that kind of learning
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  breakdown, how are guys actually getting better and how do you
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  see it? But capacity, you talked about
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  the extreme end of skill in the extreme end of work capacity or
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  kind of what they're doing in the weight room now.
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  I feel like that was a little bit of a segue for really what I
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  wanted to dig deep as the bones of our podcast today, which is
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  this concept that you actually were the first to introduce to
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  me in our group at Flexpro Grip. At least in phrasing neurology
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  versus Physiology and how those two have to work synchronously
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  as well as asynchronously in the return process and kind of how
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  we're going to play this out from a exposure perspective, a
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  programming perspective. So with that, I do want to just
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  kind of give you the floor to intro the topic of neurology
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  versus Physiology and how that plays out not just in
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  performance but in rehab in particular.
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  Yeah. And I certainly had certainly
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  phrase or concept that I heard somewhere from somebody much
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  more than myself that you know happened to come about in
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  conversation with with you and others.
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  Really it's an easy way to to break down essentially that
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  continuum. And you can even boil it down to
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  really the the speed of the movement that we use with
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  whatever intervention it may be, whether it is a rehab in some of
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  those early rehab interventions or whether it be on the
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  performance side, right, where an athlete ideally is, is
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  healthier or near full health. And to kind of give an idea of
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  of what we mean by that is that typically your higher velocity
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  based movements, those higher output based movements are going
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  to be heavy on the connective tissue stress side of things.
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  Whereas that slower duration based movement, whether it be
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  concentric, eccentric, isometric based, the slower ones are going
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  to be more muscular driven or or more driven kind of on the on
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  the Physiology side of things. And so when we talked about
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  creating balance over the course of programming, again, whether
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  it be rehab, whether it be on the performance side is we want
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  to try to create balance. And that's that's just a 10,000
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  foot over you. Now you go into an individual
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  athlete that through an assessment is determined to be
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  maybe on one end of the spectrum, maybe be more force
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  driven as an athlete or more kind of elastic or or connective
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  tissue driven as an athlete. Now it allows us to be able to
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  know what we need to prioritize not just from a performance
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  perspective, but from a health and longevity aspect, both in
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  season and an offseason and in rehab.
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  And so it's just a way to essentially kind of define, like
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  we just mentioned, right, defining kind of that continuum
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  of capacity versus skill. That's kind of a continuum in
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  and of itself where you've got kind of neurology and Physiology
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  and from a force production standpoint.
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  And I know it is a little bit more complicated than this, that
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  you kind of think of it in two ways, right?
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  I have to have enough muscle cross-sectional area and then I
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  have to have enough neurological input and efficiency to go to
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  express force and generate force, right?
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  And then that is the foundation for everything that we do, not
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  only rehab and health, but then performance as we layer on
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  velocity on top of it to try to get to that ultimate kind of
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  Holy Grail, which is our expression.
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  And that's seen across all the testing that that we do on, you
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  know, force plates or the rotational velocities that we
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  see on, on motion capture. That's essentially what we're
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  after, right? We're after high center gravity
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  velocities on on motion capture that then translate up the chain
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  into an efficient kinematic sequence.
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  And then the weight room we're, we're trying to achieve that,
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  that peak power output and relative peak power output or
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  even looking at something like impulse as you break it down
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  into rate of force development, force output and then the
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  duration. So there's, there's all of those
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  elements kind of mixed in that again, you have to have a
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  balance between the speed which we load an athlete to try to
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  achieve that high neurological output and then the speed with
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  which we load that athlete to achieve more of this kind of
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  muscular tendonus unit and health across the muscular
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  tendonus unit. This might be obvious to you, or
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  a conversation that you and I might be able to have in our
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  sleep. But maybe for the general crew
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  out there, why must Physiology outpaced neurology?
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  So from a physiological standpoint, if I don't have
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  enough chronic workload and tissue capacity built up and
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  then all of a sudden I'm spending so much time at that
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  velocity end of the spectrum, right?
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  That's going to come at a cost. It's going to create an
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  imbalance between that connective tissue and the muscle
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  itself. And Doctor Keith Barr has done a
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  phenomenal job on this of explaining it and would
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  definitely encourage anybody listening to this to go kind of
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  search him. And his work at the podcast he
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  did with Eric Cressy was was fantastic.
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  And then he did another one, I believe fairly close to that
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  podcast with, with another, I believe the physical therapist
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  as well. But.
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  You create a better balance to get across that muscular tennis
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  unit where that slow duration or slow velocity movement, longer
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  duration time under tension is going to essentially get that
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  force into the the muscle belly and create a little bit more
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  balance across the muscular tennis unit where we aren't
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  creating this stiffness discrepancy between the
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  connective tissue itself and in the muscle belly.
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  And that's where outpacing and and getting more of that longer
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  duration holds isometric slower eccentrics, even slower
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  concentrics, right. The velocity being that the
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  number one key there is going to help target that aspect of it
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  first, provide a stable base and foundation that then once we
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  layer speed on top of right, we've now got that better
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  foundation. And it's going to not only from
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  a health perspective, right, have huge implications
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  positively, but really performance wise too, because
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  again, you've created that more stable base at the bottom. 1st,
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  I want to address maybe one of those podcasts I think almost
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  even better, or I say almost I think it was even better because
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  it was more in depth but also spoken at a very conversational
• 21:18
  level. Keith Barr appeared on the Tim
• 21:21
  Forrest Show or Tim Ferriss in. I guess Tim is kind of a
• 21:28
  recreational rock climber to an extent.
• 21:31
  So they got really deep in the weeds on this stuff.
• 21:34
  And if I'm not mistaken, the episode is damn near 2 hours
• 21:38
  long. If you want to learn anything
• 21:40
  and everything about tendon loading on a conversational
• 21:43
  level, that is the best place to do it.
• 21:46
  So Keith Barr on the Tim Ferriss or Tim Forrest show, I don't
• 21:49
  know how it's pronounced. Apologies to Tim.
• 21:52
  If you want to come on this podcast, I guess, and address
• 21:54
  how to say your name, Fine. Open invite, I think, but not
• 21:59
  not sure how much you know about baseball, but maybe we can
• 22:01
  figure it out along the way. But yeah, so I wanted to address
• 22:04
  that piece then, kind of what you're saying about those
• 22:08
  loading strategies when you were walking me through it.
• 22:11
  What I pictured is now something that a friend of ours, the
• 22:15
  physical therapist at Driveline with athletic potential, Dylan
• 22:19
  Newcomer, talks about often, which is the Bonder Chuck
• 22:23
  pyramid. That's very difficult to say,
• 22:25
  and too many vowels and consonants and weird places for
• 22:29
  my naive tongue, but almost just doing the GPP stuff on the
• 22:36
  bottom, checking that box before we go into the next category up
• 22:40
  the chain. So I don't know if that is a
• 22:43
  moronic simplification of what you just walked me through, but
• 22:47
  that's right where my brain went to.
• 22:50
  It's a great representation of it and obviously the fellows
• 22:52
  there and Bryce has been doing an amazing job, especially of of
• 22:57
  educating people through social media about really what we feel
• 23:01
  like now is a shift where certainly here we have taken
• 23:06
  that Austin Rish, who's one of our other performance
• 23:08
  coordinators, Jacob Classville mentioned is our high school
• 23:11
  pitching coordinator, have done a phenomenal job and it it fires
• 23:14
  me up every time we get to watch.
• 23:16
  So the way that we structure things here for athletes in
• 23:19
  house is very regimented schedule wise because we try to
• 23:21
  keep those class sizes small. This is the first place that I
• 23:25
  ever, had ever been in, in a, in a private facility like this,
• 23:28
  that when I walked in and watched the first bullpens being
• 23:30
  thrown that that first time that I was here as they were being
• 23:33
  thrown, it was 1 coach and one mound.
• 23:37
  That was it. We have two mounds, but one of
• 23:39
  them is just kind of a paperweight right now.
• 23:41
  And then we have the force plate mound that gets used to, you
• 23:44
  know, every single, every single day during those times of the
• 23:46
  year that we got guys off the mound.
• 23:48
  The way that they do that is, is phenomenal, right?
• 23:50
  Because of the scheduling and, and everything is regimented so
• 23:53
  that your time is your time. But as they come in and they're
• 23:56
  small groups to do their throwing, we have what's called
• 23:59
  a movement of the day. And if somebody is a baseball
• 24:03
  coach or somebody within the baseball world for the last few
• 24:06
  years would walk in and watch these kids crawling around and
• 24:09
  running over small hurdles or doing like dions over small
• 24:14
  hurdles. And then they have to jump onto.
• 24:16
  They did something the other day where they lined up into two
• 24:18
  teams and did a like, they had to be in in like a quadruped
• 24:23
  position. They slid like a cone to each
• 24:25
  other, did this relay race. It is phenomenal.
• 24:27
  And it's So what you're now seeing a lot of these, these
• 24:30
  more forward thanking professional organizations like
• 24:32
  the Cubs, the the different prep we have a a Cubs hopefully 40
• 24:36
  man this year in house here. That part of his warmth is the
• 24:40
  juggle. And so you get that neurological
• 24:43
  aspect, the coordination aspect that we understand from a motor
• 24:47
  learning perspective is so important.
• 24:49
  And that GPP, to go back to what we were talking about, that GPP
• 24:53
  that we're talking about in Bond or Chuck's bottom of the
• 24:56
  pyramid, BNGPP is exactly that. My job, our job on the
• 25:00
  performance side is to create the best athlete that we can.
• 25:04
  And then through that, it allows a skill coach to have more
• 25:07
  movement options or more options from a coaching standpoint and a
• 25:11
  skill expression standpoint to get that athlete to do what they
• 25:14
  need to. Not to mention the health aspect
• 25:17
  of that too, where we know now that the repeatable mechanics is
• 25:22
  relative, right? There are tiny iteration that
• 25:25
  take place from the point that I start my movement, let alone get
• 25:28
  that baseball out of my glove and into release point.
• 25:31
  There are so many minute changes that take place that the better
• 25:34
  athlete that I am, I have more options as I go from point A to
• 25:39
  point B to get that baseball from point A to point B and have
• 25:43
  that consistent release point across my entire arsenal.
• 25:47
  That doesn't necessitate me to load the same tissue in the same
• 25:51
  way over and over and over again where I have again, more
• 25:55
  movement option. And that's what that GPP does.
• 25:57
  And by creating that better foundation and treating the
• 26:01
  athlete like the athlete, when we have parents call in and
• 26:04
  inquire, we certainly take the attitude that like we are not
• 26:09
  doing baseball specific anything on the performance side really
• 26:12
  anymore. We're doing athlete specific.
• 26:13
  And that's why the assessment process is what it is, is to
• 26:16
  create a more athlete specific experience, make them a more
• 26:20
  robust athlete, right? And that then gives the skill
• 26:24
  coach more options. I I love when pretty thick who's
• 26:27
  our director of pitching and has experienced as the Division One
• 26:31
  pitching coach, Division One player, pro player himself.
• 26:34
  When he talks about his early years of coaching before
• 26:37
  understanding the impact on that that the physical side has on
• 26:40
  the skill expression that, you know, he'd be trying to take an
• 26:43
  athlete through a drill, whether be a plow drill or teaching them
• 26:46
  something on the mound or pitch design.
• 26:48
  And he'd say it's 16 different ways and the athlete couldn't do
• 26:51
  it. Then he'd, you know, finally
• 26:52
  throw his hand and that kids uncoachable.
• 26:54
  I just can't, you know, can't do it anymore.
• 26:56
  He'd be really going back to the drawing board when now he
• 26:58
  realizes that, you know, that skill expression is a byproduct
• 27:02
  of what our body is capable of. So it always kind of goes back
• 27:06
  to the physical. And that's where that GPP for us
• 27:08
  is essential. And GPP people used to thank,
• 27:11
  OK, GPP squat patterns, lunge patterns, hinge patterns, blah,
• 27:15
  blah. When in reality, it's more about
• 27:18
  creating a more robust athlete overall across not just the
• 27:22
  movements themselves, right where it's like, are we
• 27:24
  satisfied our squad and our our deadlifts and hinge pattern,
• 27:28
  yadda, yadda. It's more about the velocity of
• 27:31
  that loading and challenging the athlete from a movement capacity
• 27:36
  standpoint and from a movement literacy standpoint.
• 27:39
  And that's what those those movements of the day are about
• 27:42
  is getting these baseball players that now have probably
• 27:44
  specialized since they were thirteen years old, many of them
• 27:47
  that didn't play those other sports to have that movement
• 27:49
  variability. It's our job to create it.
• 27:52
  And so we want to do it in a way that's fun, it's competitive and
• 27:55
  it's engaging, right? And these guys have crushed it.
• 27:58
  I'll have to share some with you, some kind of some of the
• 28:00
  stuff that we've done here. They get people who think it
• 28:02
  would be crazy, but but we we enjoy it.
• 28:05
  And Cal Dietz has done a great job with something like the GOAT
• 28:07
  drill and those type of things of combining that that like
• 28:11
  neurophysiological connection with regard to to how it
• 28:15
  influences movement. Shouting out someone else, I
• 28:18
  think one of the best at that specific thing that I have ever
• 28:22
  seen and has been doing it for years.
• 28:25
  Granted, some people might not like the way he communicates on
• 28:29
  Twitter, but Austin Yokum or Jockum, I don't exactly know how
• 28:34
  it's pronounced, but incredible stuff at some like northern
• 28:38
  Minnesota facility and he's doing it in some field house.
• 28:42
  But if anyone wants to see what GPP can look like in what
• 28:48
  competition can look like in a performance training facility, I
• 28:53
  think he might have some of the most creative expressions of
• 28:57
  that. And I I've found his stuff
• 28:59
  incredibly motivating in a sense, motivating me to keep
• 29:03
  thinking in iterating on processes and how can I
• 29:06
  implement this stuff when I do work with athletes.
• 29:09
  Although Flexpro Grip is very specific, there are still guys
• 29:12
  that I program for across the board and that kind of content
• 29:16
  keeps me thinking and wanting to make my processes better.
• 29:20
  And now there was another piece that you addressed that kind of
• 29:23
  provided the perfect segue and maybe even started to inch its
• 29:28
  way into the answer that I was looking for.
• 29:30
  I wanted to go into why GPP isn't just hypertrophy, why it's
• 29:36
  not just reps and volume, it's so much more.
• 29:40
  And you talked about exposure to these different movements and
• 29:43
  loading strategies. So maybe in your career or now
• 29:47
  when you think about a rehabbing athlete, what are the necessary
• 29:52
  boxes that you need to check in that general physical
• 29:56
  preparedness manner? Thinking back to the Physiology
• 30:00
  concept that led us down this path, what needs to be checked
• 30:04
  in order to then pursue maybe higher or more rapid force
• 30:09
  production on the neurology side of things?
• 30:13
  Yeah. Really for for us when it comes
• 30:16
  to again thinking GPP, we want to see, we kind of do it from a
• 30:21
  couple different lenses. So from a movement quality
• 30:22
  perspective, we want to see that athlete be able to command your
• 30:25
  typical hinge, squat, lunge, vertical push, vertical pull,
• 30:30
  horizontal push, horizontal pull.
• 30:31
  Those things are included. But then we also want the
• 30:35
  athlete to be exposed to various velocities of movement and then
• 30:40
  various positions. There's some people out there
• 30:42
  that do a great job of of essentially categorizing some of
• 30:45
  these things, but we want to move fast.
• 30:48
  We want to create a large amounts of force or absorb large
• 30:51
  amounts of force. We want to have enough volume to
• 30:54
  build capacity. So you're thinking about maybe
• 30:56
  the slower, more methodical into the spectrum.
• 30:58
  But then we also want to put ourselves in and expose the body
• 31:02
  to some extreme positions and extreme end ranges of motion
• 31:05
  that we know we get into within the sport itself.
• 31:09
  But I still think of that as, again, general physical
• 31:12
  preparedness. And that is where some of those
• 31:15
  movement of the days come in where we may set up a couple
• 31:18
  sets of hurdles at different heights.
• 31:19
  And essentially the athlete plays limbo where they're in a
• 31:22
  bear crawl or a crab position with the whole goal of, yes,
• 31:26
  stay under, under this hurdle or you have to get over this
• 31:28
  hurdle. And we're exposing their
• 31:30
  shoulders and their hips and their spine, right?
• 31:33
  That's where spinal hygiene comes in, right?
• 31:35
  In that GPP phase where gone are the days where we just felt
• 31:38
  confident going with anti rotation, lateral flexion and
• 31:42
  extension work that should be at the force end of the spectrum.
• 31:46
  Whereas some of the spinal hygiene stuff kind of bridges
• 31:48
  into maybe more the velocity end.
• 31:50
  And so all of those pieces for us are a part of that GP piece
• 31:53
  and we relate that then to rehab and it's no different.
• 31:57
  It's just scaled to where that athlete is at.
• 31:59
  For instance, in our post TJ rehabs, I like getting the
• 32:03
  athlete back into some various forms of lower body plyos as
• 32:07
  early as six weeks post op. Their hands can be on their
• 32:10
  hips, they can be doing various Pogo variations.
• 32:12
  We call now kind of the the terms are, you know, light tier
• 32:15
  and deep tier based plyos where the risk of of anything
• 32:20
  happening is low. The reward is high because of
• 32:23
  the training residuals on things like speed and power expression.
• 32:27
  Those are very, very quick to D train.
• 32:30
  And so the quicker we can get them into those type of of
• 32:33
  positions and those type of movement velocities, the better.
• 32:37
  And then we think about again, satisfying more of a forceful
• 32:40
  end of the spectrum meeting that athlete where they're at and
• 32:43
  where it what they're capable of during that rehab protocol.
• 32:46
  But then that's where that comprehensive assessment comes
• 32:49
  in as well. Now obviously rehab wise, we're
• 32:52
  not as lucky. We're usually getting them
• 32:53
  unless we've seen them before. We're usually getting them after
• 32:56
  they've had the injury and it's going to take a while to be able
• 32:59
  to then provide them with a full robust comprehensive assessment.
• 33:02
  But with our healthy athletes, that's the first thing that they
• 33:05
  do when they come here, as they do with with some of the other
• 33:07
  facilities is lucky enough to have the resources to do those
• 33:10
  things. And that provides us with maybe
• 33:14
  where that GPP needs to be focused initially.
• 33:18
  And then we can begin to get more specific as the year goes
• 33:22
  on closer to season. But there are some still that
• 33:26
  they're getting so much out of that GPP phase, especially as
• 33:29
  they're younger athletes, that they don't need anything
• 33:33
  specific. They're able to translate the
• 33:36
  things that we do in the GPP and to the skill even better than
• 33:39
  they would the skill specific because of their training age
• 33:43
  and that stimulus being enough. And so it always is a question
• 33:46
  of where is that stimulus enough or what stimulus is enough and
• 33:50
  how do we dose that and how we monitor that throughout to them
• 33:53
  know when to maybe change that stimulus.
• 33:56
  And so I think we should spend more time in that GPP aspect
• 34:01
  than what historically our field has.
• 34:04
  And that should be no different with regard to rehab.
• 34:08
  It should just be scaled to meet that athlete where they're at.
• 34:11
  Is there ever a time now on the other end of the spectrum, where
• 34:15
  you feel neurology should have a greater focus than Physiology?
• 34:21
  Yeah. So if you think about speed of
• 34:22
  the movement, right, if we get an athlete in that is more of
• 34:25
  that force driven athlete, you can go into all the different
• 34:29
  archetyping that you want, whether it be a narrow ISA or a
• 34:31
  wide ISA presentation across the spectrum for an athlete.
• 34:35
  For us, that really does satisfy more of that muscle driven
• 34:40
  athlete. We want them to better leverage
• 34:43
  those connective tissues, better leverage that stretch shortening
• 34:46
  cycle to be able to improve the velocity of that movement.
• 34:49
  And that certainly is one of the biggest as we go down our our
• 34:53
  kind of flow chart and bucket list for our athletes, that is
• 34:57
  one of the top ones is, is really, are you more of a force
• 34:59
  driven athlete or are you more of a kind of an elastic driven
• 35:02
  athlete? And again, there's various names
• 35:04
  for those however you want to look at it.
• 35:06
  But our expression is the is the Holy Grail when it comes to to
• 35:10
  baseball. It is played at such a high
• 35:12
  speed obviously in the batter's box where it's reactionary to
• 35:15
  what's coming at you, but you know, even on the mound as well
• 35:18
  from those rotational velocity that we see each joint incur.
• 35:21
  So to me that's the Holy Grail and we need to be able to
• 35:25
  express that in a way. So if we see an athlete that
• 35:27
  tends to be more on that force driven side of the equation,
• 35:30
  dosing them with more of that neurological based output, the
• 35:33
  higher speeds, quicker reaction times, those typically pay pay
• 35:37
  dividends. But we can't lose sight of the
• 35:40
  fact. We can't necessarily.
• 35:41
  We spend way too much time at that end of the spectrum without
• 35:44
  coming back to what maybe their superpower is.
• 35:47
  And so understanding what levers to kind of push and pull, again
• 35:50
  as part of that comprehensive assessment approach that we take
• 35:52
  here that is drawn from the biomech in the lab.
• 35:57
  So our big thing here is that we typically see across the board
• 36:01
  are younger athletes, their expression and their movement
• 36:05
  literacy on the table and then their force and power
• 36:07
  expression. The weight room greatly
• 36:08
  influences what the pattern looks like on the mound.
• 36:11
  Now, it still does as we get to our higher training ages.
• 36:14
  But from a programming standpoint, I'm going to
• 36:16
  leverage and program more to what I see in the biomech lab or
• 36:20
  what I see as a need from a biomech lab in my performance
• 36:23
  programming. If that person does check the
• 36:26
  force expression or the force output in the power expression
• 36:30
  aspect of that capacity versus skill into the spectrum.
• 36:34
  And we're really going to lean on the patterns we see in the
• 36:36
  biomech to then influence maybe some of those those training
• 36:39
  strategies that we use, whether it be positions or velocities
• 36:42
  that we load them at in the weight room.
• 36:44
  And so that's where that neurology piece of it comes in
• 36:46
  because it certainly is important.
• 36:48
  Then obviously you guys product in the way that you have some of
• 36:51
  those higher contraction speeds depending on the protocol and
• 36:53
  the time of it is addressing that neurology aspect of it too
• 36:57
  and improving that firing rate. And that's essentially what
• 37:00
  we're after as well. People are going to say time of
• 37:02
  the year dependent, completely agree with that.
• 37:05
  There are times of the year again, we need to spend on that.
• 37:07
  But in season to me is a perfect example of the need to balance
• 37:14
  out the velocity of movement because they're playing so fast
• 37:17
  or practicing so fast in the weight room, we better slow some
• 37:21
  movements down once a week. And again, the volume we can
• 37:24
  manipulate to athletes soreness wise respect some of that put
• 37:28
  the the input to the muscular tendency of the input to the
• 37:30
  system by slowing it down a little bit vastly important
• 37:33
  there as well even in season. At risk of putting words in your
• 37:37
  mouth and generating kind of the hot take clip here, if I can
• 37:42
  boil that down, often Times Now there's a discussion in baseball
• 37:46
  sport performance specifically of wanting to look at the
• 37:50
  strength and weakness and spend more time on the strength
• 37:53
  because that's already the athletes superpower.
• 37:56
  And when I say strength, I mean what they're good.
• 37:57
  That here I don't necessarily mean strength as actual muscular
• 38:00
  strength or the other side of that.
• 38:03
  Weak things break, so spend time on the lower hanging fruit or
• 38:08
  the thing that they might not be as good at.
• 38:10
  Like I said, if I can put words in your mouth here, it sounds
• 38:13
  like you fall more on the side of wanting to dedicate time and
• 38:18
  training on the thing the athlete is not good at in hopes
• 38:23
  of improving it and creating a better system across the board
• 38:26
  as opposed to just making them really, really good at what
• 38:30
  they're already really good at. It's athlete dependent, so.
• 38:34
  So it's a yes and no answer. So it's athlete dependent.
• 38:37
  So no click is what you're telling me.
• 38:39
  I can't just click this and get some amazing thing out of it.
• 38:42
  No, unfortunately, and I come again from a physical therapy
• 38:45
  background that that when we would ask a professor a question
• 38:49
  and we'd get the answer. If it depends what happens to
• 38:51
  you, well, it depends. I'm, I'm going to continue that
• 38:54
  and pass that along to, to the rest of the world.
• 38:56
  So sadly, you'll provide some education for us instead of just
• 39:01
  yeah. Sound bite.
• 39:02
  Now I'll do my best here to maybe plant my flag on a on a
• 39:04
  certain hill. There we go.
• 39:07
  The way that the way that I see it in the way that I think we're
• 39:10
  starting to see it within our facility is that we kind of
• 39:13
  think of of things in, you know, superpowers versus kryptonites,
• 39:17
  right? And again, I'm, I'm probably
• 39:19
  stealing that from, from somebody else.
• 39:20
  It might even be like a Hunter Eisenhower phrasing there.
• 39:23
  At this point, I don't know if anyone can claim that because
• 39:26
  superpower is that was Maybe if this was five years ago, people
• 39:30
  would be like, Oh my gosh, that's great for you.
• 39:32
  But now, every time you go to a seminar or a conference, someone
• 39:36
  puts a pitcher superpower. No doubt, no doubt.
• 39:39
  So it's it's really about again, those those KPIs for that
• 39:43
  individual athlete. And so typically the approach we
• 39:46
  take is that early in the offseason, but especially when
• 39:50
  throwing volume and intensity is low on the throwing side.
• 39:54
  And even now on the on the hitting side, we've got some of
• 39:56
  our pro guys that we serve on in the position player side of
• 39:59
  things like they're hitting volume is definitely decreased
• 40:01
  relative to what it is in season.
• 40:03
  And and during spring training, we're going to spend more time
• 40:06
  working on the kryptonite and inspector, whether it be they
• 40:10
  need more velocity or whether it be they need more force output.
• 40:14
  And then we're going to dose them maybe more closer to the
• 40:17
  season on what their superpower is.
• 40:19
  Yet we're still going to try to create balance with that program
• 40:23
  from both neurological input and from a muscular input aspect of
• 40:29
  the spectrum. We're going to try to create as
• 40:31
  much balance as we can, but we are early in this in this
• 40:34
  offseason going to offset them with their kryptonite more and
• 40:37
  then begin to dose them with their their superpower as they
• 40:40
  get closer to the season. But again, it also depends on
• 40:43
  where that athlete is in their career.
• 40:44
  We have two or three of our pro guys that, you know, maybe a
• 40:49
  little bit of last house on the block if they don't show maybe a
• 40:52
  little bit more output on the mound going to be velocity,
• 40:54
  spin, whatever, whatever it is. So that's going to look
• 40:58
  different with the way that we time how much of the dosing of
• 41:01
  their kryptonite versus their superpower that they're going to
• 41:03
  get from us. And again, it just goes back to
• 41:05
  that individual aspect of things that to me you think to plant
• 41:09
  in. This is maybe it's my plant my
• 41:10
  flag moment, right? I think anybody to me and this
• 41:14
  is not just in disregard with athlete loading strategies.
• 41:18
  This is from methodologies systems, whatever you want to
• 41:21
  how you want to categorize them. I think anybody that puts all of
• 41:24
  their eggs in one basket is missing a huge opportunity to
• 41:28
  have an impact on that one athlete that comes in that your
• 41:32
  method doesn't mold to right or that their physical presentation
• 41:38
  doesn't work well within your method.
• 41:40
  And we have a lot of systems out there that are methods in the
• 41:43
  physical therapy world, The McKenzie method or you know,
• 41:48
  where I came from, you know, movement system, you know,
• 41:51
  talking to movement system impairment would wash you
• 41:54
  borders on kind of methodology, right?
• 41:56
  To me, a system has the ability to adapt to any athlete that we
• 42:01
  have walk through the door, right?
• 42:02
  Methods are sometimes square pegs in the round holes.
• 42:06
  And I think a true system again, is this compilation of methods
• 42:11
  that come together that then I have that tool in my tool belt
• 42:15
  to be able to use for that athlete at all times.
• 42:17
  Or if I don't have the tool, I'm at least going to go ask
• 42:20
  somebody heck of a lot smarter than me that may have the tool
• 42:23
  of what they're doing with an happy presentation.
• 42:25
  So if I can give you any sound bite, point your flag on the
• 42:30
  hill moment. Those methods that we've used
• 42:33
  since the 60s and 70s Soviet Union and they've what they've
• 42:36
  influenced. We know tissue loading
• 42:39
  strategies for for an athlete just in general.
• 42:42
  I think the key in the what puts a facility leg up or an
• 42:47
  individual clinician or professional, you know, strength
• 42:50
  conditioning professional gives them a leg up is a comprehensive
• 42:54
  assessment that identifies exactly where we need to go with
• 42:58
  regard to that stimulus, right when to implement it, how much
• 43:03
  of it to implement what it is, what does that athlete need and
• 43:07
  then that person to person interaction with that athlete.
• 43:10
  The you look across social media, the training cards right
• 43:14
  now for the cream of the crop and let's say college baseball
• 43:18
  strength conditioning, those training cards look really
• 43:20
  similar. What, what creates the
• 43:22
  separation is the ability for that, that strength conditioning
• 43:26
  coach, that performance coach to look at that individual athlete
• 43:29
  and say you need this tweak instead of that because of the
• 43:33
  assessment, because our assessment of your movement
• 43:36
  capacity looks like this. You need this stimulus and then
• 43:41
  get that athlete to buy into that.
• 43:42
  That is, to me, the absolute key to separate it's.
• 43:46
  Super hard now to go from a plant your flag moment into
• 43:50
  another question because now I just feel like I'm pivoting away
• 43:53
  instead of offering some sort of argument or response.
• 43:56
  But sometimes I think that's best when I don't have a strong
• 44:00
  disagreement from where you're at.
• 44:01
  So I will take this time to pivot.
• 44:04
  Now we shall discuss bridging or introducing kind of that
• 44:09
  neurological end of the spectrum into that I guess later stage
• 44:14
  GPP phase or as we're growing more to the skill side now we're
• 44:19
  seeing kind of this popularization or this movement
• 44:23
  that not all plyometrics are tendon driven or really
• 44:28
  contractility driven. Maybe my phrasing is wrong
• 44:31
  there, but we're seeing some sort of introduction into the
• 44:35
  space of quote UN quote muscle driven jumps or muscle driven
• 44:41
  plyos. Maybe because they take longer
• 44:43
  to load or because of the strategies, it's it's less
• 44:47
  bouncy, it's less explosive. And this is something that I
• 44:50
  trust you know more about than I do.
• 44:53
  I'm curious if that is a tool for how you build into this.
• 44:57
  So maybe doing like true frog jumps instead of pogos or
• 45:01
  instead of like a ballistic jump from stationary off of a box or
• 45:06
  like a rapid counter movement, you're doing these things where
• 45:09
  you have to touch the floor and then jump up or doing a push up
• 45:14
  to pressing off the ground as opposed to like a drop catch
• 45:17
  push up. If we're thinking about upper
• 45:19
  body plyometrics, is that how you're bridging the gap or you
• 45:23
  doing slow introductions where maybe in a program that's very
• 45:28
  Physiology driven from the front, maybe you introduce one
• 45:31
  or two movements that are more neurologically driven and then
• 45:34
  over time it becomes 4 to 5, five to six.
• 45:38
  And So what transition do you think makes more sense?
• 45:41
  Do you do either or are both kind of OK and it's back to the
• 45:45
  whole it depends thing? Yeah.
• 45:48
  Again, yes, it does depend. I think blanket statement wise
• 45:51
  you could look and say typically people are going to go extensive
• 45:55
  biometrics or or more of those higher frequency, lower
• 45:57
  amplitude based movements into more of the higher amplitude,
• 46:02
  lower frequency because of the force.
• 46:04
  Pogos wall dribbles. Yep, in few more of of what
• 46:08
  would be like a triple broad jump right Or Max.
• 46:11
  Mint ball shot puts. Exactly, exactly right.
• 46:15
  And so for us, we want to dose obviously based on the training
• 46:19
  age and what that athlete can handle.
• 46:21
  But I do think it's very, very important.
• 46:23
  And this is where certainly my mind has changed over the last
• 46:27
  couple years. And I think just as a field as a
• 46:29
  whole because of force plates. And I do think force plates have
• 46:32
  driven a lot of this because they've been able to quantify
• 46:34
  things that maybe we haven't been able to over the years.
• 46:37
  And being able to take the extensive end of it, then go
• 46:43
  from light tier or or kind of upright to deep tier in those
• 46:47
  deeper positions. We know like a really good way
• 46:51
  to train somebody that from a counter movement jump patterns
• 46:56
  perspective, maybe they get stuck at the bottom, they can't
• 46:58
  get out of the hole. They have they produce a lot of
• 47:01
  eccentric force that really can't translate that potential
• 47:03
  energy into kinetic energy is oscillatory movements at that
• 47:08
  sticking point. It is obviously, you know,
• 47:11
  isolated concentric based movements where I had this
• 47:14
  conversation with one of our affiliate schools yesterday and
• 47:17
  and their strength coach and she was asking some really great
• 47:19
  questions about maybe how to further individualize some of
• 47:22
  that programming for an athlete that was having trouble getting
• 47:25
  out of the hole. And to me, it's like something
• 47:27
  as simple as, you know, athletes sitting on the box with either a
• 47:30
  box or hurdle in front of them and they have to be able to go
• 47:33
  from that seated static position, drive off and then up
• 47:36
  and over and express that. But to me, that's also not true
• 47:39
  true fly metrics. And in reality, you could argue
• 47:41
  that AC and J is not a true biometric as well, right?
• 47:44
  It doesn't have all of the phases that we know from a
• 47:47
  biometric standpoint that something like a double bra jump
• 47:51
  or a bound or those type of things.
• 47:53
  And that's why you're seeing from AGPP perspective, we're
• 47:56
  drawing from the track and field end of that spectrum because
• 48:00
  again, you're working the absolute capacity at one end and
• 48:05
  then you're translating it to the skill.
• 48:07
  And so we have questions all the time, right?
• 48:09
  Why do you guys train vertical plyometrics so much when
• 48:13
  everything is rotational? Well, the vertical force and,
• 48:16
  and power expression is what the skill side then translates into
• 48:21
  rotational force and power expression, right?
• 48:24
  The skill end and the skill practice takes that physical
• 48:28
  capacity, translate it, translates it into the sport,
• 48:30
  whether it be golfer, baseball, golf is is one of those that I
• 48:34
  get on a soapbox all the time about training golfers in the
• 48:36
  way that they do it, but being able to to translate those
• 48:39
  general athletic qualities into that.
• 48:41
  And so to kind of answer your question of where do we, where
• 48:44
  do we fall on that and how do we go about it?
• 48:46
  We want to touch on every bit of that spectrum because again,
• 48:49
  we're trying to create the most robust mover that that we can
• 48:52
  and give them the the biggest Rolodex from a movement capacity
• 48:55
  that they possibly can have. And so we do want to touch on
• 48:58
  those pieces. And it just depends knowing what
• 49:00
  that stimulus may may have with regard to the input on the
• 49:04
  tissue, whether if it's a rehab, especially like we've talked
• 49:08
  about a lot between you and I. And you know, Dylan obviously is
• 49:10
  phenomenal and what he does when he educates on that is
• 49:14
  understanding what training effect we're after,
• 49:17
  understanding what the velocity, the amplitude, the frequency of
• 49:21
  those those plyometrics do to that that intent from a training
• 49:26
  perspective. I think that's really good
• 49:27
  insight on a question that I did not ask very well because I
• 49:31
  covered basically 2 topics and just said here, Nolan, take this
• 49:35
  away, answer it somehow and you could have gone either way.
• 49:38
  And neither were really that connected.
• 49:41
  So maybe I'll revisit the one that's a real head scratcher for
• 49:44
  me because it's kind of new to think about.
• 49:46
  And that's that muscular driven, quote UN quote, plyometric.
• 49:50
  And that's probably, I guess when you get into the actual
• 49:54
  breakdowns of those two things that some sort of an oxymoron
• 49:57
  putting muscular driven plyometric into something.
• 50:00
  But you're seeing coaches program more like frog junk
• 50:06
  style things that do require a longer load or a deeper load
• 50:12
  prior to the expression that we see as a jump or as the quote UN
• 50:17
  quote explosive phase. And when I was trying to ask the
• 50:20
  question which those two aren't mutually exclusive, like you can
• 50:24
  have both in a program at the same time, which is why I said
• 50:27
  my question phrasing was so bad. But can you now educate me as
• 50:32
  well as the audience on kind of the purpose of that kind of
• 50:35
  loading? You, you started to touch on it
• 50:37
  with the oscillatory loading or trying to figure out where an
• 50:42
  athlete might be struggling and why you would introduce it.
• 50:45
  But maybe why do you think that is just coming to light now in
• 50:50
  the strength and conditioning space, especially in baseball
• 50:54
  for that being a tool that is now being used?
• 50:58
  Yeah. And so to answer that question
• 51:02
  to me, what you're doing in those those deeper positions,
• 51:04
  right, We're taking, you know, the entire Musco tennis unit,
• 51:09
  right, lengthening it out as we get into those deeper positions
• 51:12
  and then working a speed of contraction at these different
• 51:15
  lengths, right, That we know again that they may need to get
• 51:19
  into. And that's why you start to see
• 51:21
  some of those, like let's use the upper body, for example,
• 51:23
  where I'm going to take a flat bench on each hand, go into a
• 51:26
  deeper base, kind of push up and then oscillate out from there.
• 51:30
  What I've done is I've, I've lengthened that anterior aspect
• 51:34
  of the PEC and the shoulder and I'm getting into more like
• 51:38
  scaffold traction, right? So now you're getting some input
• 51:40
  from the lat and anything in between where I'm going to then
• 51:44
  create that contraction from a big lengthened position as
• 51:48
  opposed to mid range where a lot of that stuff would live.
• 51:51
  And so you look at a counter movement for an athlete, which
• 51:54
  is for us, a big thing that we look at from a counter movement
• 51:57
  jump is what's their counter government depth strategy and
• 52:00
  how does it influence the outputs and the velocities that
• 52:03
  they move at? It tells us a story about what
• 52:06
  that athletes comfortable accessing.
• 52:08
  So not only from a health perspective, just from the
• 52:10
  physiological neurological, but from a comfortability and
• 52:15
  accessing because really our, our body is only going to get us
• 52:18
  in positions it's comfortable in and it feels comfortable
• 52:21
  accessing subconsciously. And to then expose that body to
• 52:25
  those, to those deeper kind of like stretched type positions.
• 52:30
  It is really key. And again, it goes back to that
• 52:32
  whole GPP principle is we're just trying to expose the body
• 52:36
  to full ranges of motion work contraction speeds across that
• 52:41
  whole spectrum as best we can. And then the big thing again,
• 52:45
  you talk about any soapbox moment is our inability or our,
• 52:49
  our lack of willingness to, to load the upper body of our
• 52:52
  pitchers is crazy, absolutely crazy.
• 52:56
  And you look at the forces, the velocities that that upper body
• 53:01
  goes through to make one throw. And for us to not expose that
• 53:07
  over the entire spectrum, both from a positioning standpoint
• 53:10
  and mobility stability, but from a force output power expression
• 53:15
  is crazy to me. And yes, do we have to be smart
• 53:19
  based on the athlete presentation?
• 53:20
  Absolutely. Again, that's why they go
• 53:21
  through an assessment process, but we know where that athlete
• 53:25
  needs to get to. Therefore, we we see it
• 53:29
  especially egregious at maybe some of these levels of, of pro
• 53:32
  ball where you've had an athlete that has had success, they've
• 53:36
  got some tread on the tires and you get a man and you run
• 53:39
  through an assessment like, yeah, lower half wise, you score
• 53:42
  extremely well. But then we we drop you to apply
• 53:45
  a push up and it looks like the wheels are falling off a little
• 53:47
  bit. Their velocity is down and
• 53:49
  they've had aches and pains. And it's like, well, yeah, no
• 53:51
  wonder. But we're so afraid to to load
• 53:54
  those athletes appropriately. That's where we will take that
• 53:57
  approach with those athletes where they are going to get
• 53:59
  those deeper positions and load and again with the proper
• 54:02
  velocity and loading strategy for that particular athlete.
• 54:06
  But it's non negotiable for me. And we are going to overhead
• 54:11
  press those athletes within reason within the confine of
• 54:14
  their access to shoulder flexion.
• 54:16
  But they have to do working them across that whole range of
• 54:19
  motion and across the force velocity kind of spectrum.
• 54:23
  It's it gets non negotiable for me.
• 54:25
  And with this, I'm going to make one final pivot.
• 54:28
  Thank you for going into all that, Nolan.
• 54:32
  Very enlightening for me. Like I said, this is kind of
• 54:35
  been a new programming exposure for me.
• 54:38
  I'm trying to better understand it, better comprehend why I
• 54:42
  might program it for someone because I can look at it and be
• 54:45
  like, this makes sense. This is another movement that is
• 54:48
  probably necessary to learn, but I needed to talk to Someone Like
• 54:53
  You to actually figure out the correct implementation of it and
• 54:58
  what impact it can have on the body, so thanks for shedding the
• 55:01
  light. You think about you guys, this
• 55:03
  product, right, that already does a really great job from a
• 55:06
  protocol perspective. But then just the physical
• 55:09
  device itself of, of putting athletes and prioritizing the
• 55:13
  whole robust, you know, set of exercises.
• 55:17
  But even changing length tension relationships of or the wrist or
• 55:22
  the elbow or different things like that can have implications
• 55:26
  on the essentially what the athlete or what the the body
• 55:29
  itself, the stimulus that it's experiencing.
• 55:31
  Again, it's changed where machines were the devil and
• 55:34
  everybody had to use free weights in the sports world
• 55:36
  where it's like, no, I mean, the the way that we elicit pertrophy
• 55:42
  is to tell the brain is to take the tissue to failure, which
• 55:46
  then tells the brain that I need more tissue and to safely do
• 55:49
  that machines the safest way to do that.
• 55:51
  And so like just changing the way that we think about that.
• 55:54
  It's really the stimulus that is the most important and that the
• 55:57
  exercise. I was liking it to a golfer and
• 56:00
  I enjoy golf. So this may not resonate with
• 56:02
  everybody, but when a PJ Tour golfer goes to to pick the shot
• 56:07
  that they're going to hit, they work from the green backwards,
• 56:10
  the the pin location they'll go the wind, the lie that they have
• 56:15
  all that. The last thing they choose is
• 56:17
  the club. And to me, that's the exercise.
• 56:19
  All those influences from the green backwards.
• 56:21
  So what's the athlete presentation?
• 56:23
  Can they produce enough force? Can they produce it fast enough
• 56:25
  where they lie on that perspective, what's the athlete
• 56:28
  structure look like? What is the time of the year,
• 56:30
  which typically is maybe the most important right time of the
• 56:33
  year? And just working right backwards
• 56:35
  that the last thing that uses is the specific exercise.
• 56:39
  And I know I'm going to load that exercise because it is the
• 56:41
  last thing that I choose. And that's essentially what I
• 56:43
  think we need to maybe get to get to as a field because that's
• 56:46
  all the the body doesn't know bench press.
• 56:48
  It just knows force and velocity.
• 56:51
  Well, there is a sound bite we've been chasing.
• 56:53
  So thank you, Nolan. Appreciate that.
• 56:55
  That was a good one. And also I appreciate you for
• 56:58
  slapping me in the face because I think I was just confusing
• 57:02
  that the forest in the trees. I've been using that phrase a
• 57:05
  lot lately, so hopefully someone doesn't flag me because that
• 57:09
  might be 3 podcasts in a row that I've said that now.
• 57:12
  But you talk about specifically with our device and it's so
• 57:15
  funny. Like, yeah, you're 100% right.
• 57:17
  Because we see decreased force expression when guys move into a
• 57:21
  more supinated hand position. And we we made or we are in the
• 57:25
  process of producing research and literature surrounding that
• 57:29
  going back to torques and what the arm experience is throwing a
• 57:34
  fastball versus a breaking pitch, which I know you know,
• 57:37
  And it's just like, wow, Adam, like you have that the whole
• 57:39
  time. Why wouldn't it be the same
• 57:41
  thing when we talk about positions or movement strategies
• 57:45
  with all these other exercises? So thank you for enlightening me
• 57:49
  on something that was right in front of me the whole time, like
• 57:52
  I said, but it's something I couldn't see the forest.
• 57:55
  But it's something you guys have been working on intuitively,
• 57:57
  whether it be because of yourselves and the research you
• 58:00
  guys are going through or the feedback the athletes are giving
• 58:02
  you. Where you could get as granular
• 58:04
  as you wanted. As we go from the GPP part all
• 58:08
  the way up to the very specific part of the the pyramid where at
• 58:12
  the end of protocols, you could mix in for somebody that is a
• 58:15
  high slot supinator that they're going to work their protocol
• 58:18
  maybe in a little bit more supination, right.
• 58:20
  And then somebody that sinks it works in a little bit more
• 58:23
  pronation. We have those reports of those
• 58:25
  athletes that when they get into more pitch design sessions,
• 58:28
  those first few pitch design sessions of the year, there are
• 58:30
  certain athletes that have that lateral forearm bark out of a
• 58:34
  little bit from a soreness perspective.
• 58:35
  Especially if there are somebody that maybe is more of a like a
• 58:38
  change of oriented or sink oriented pitcher where they are
• 58:41
  turning over, where the eccentric forces on the lateral
• 58:45
  side of the forearm are kind of helping to slow that down a
• 58:47
  little bit. As the the flexor perimeter
• 58:49
  contracts. Being able to change the
• 58:51
  protocol around a little bit and and give those athletes more
• 58:54
  options is is again, why I think it's so fascinating that the
• 58:57
  product itself is what it is because of the avenues that it
• 59:00
  could go into. And that's where you begin to
• 59:02
  mix the art with the science and why a skilled rehab professional
• 59:08
  makes a lot of sense to work with in the process.
• 59:11
  Or a skilled coach. Because it is a tool, right?
• 59:14
  Flexpro Grip is a tool, and you can use a tool for anything.
• 59:19
  Look at any skilled worker. I mean, you look at a Carpenter.
• 59:25
  They know what screwdriver to use for what situation.
• 59:29
  They know what hammer to use for what situation, grade of
• 59:33
  sandpaper to use for what situation.
• 59:35
  It's not just like, oh, this requires sandpaper and that's
• 59:38
  the end of it there. There's specifics to all of it.
• 59:41
  And Flex Pro Grip is no different.
• 59:43
  Like yes, we can throw Flex Pro Grip at any forearm injury, but
• 59:47
  what specific protocol do we want to use for this?
• 59:50
  Or what forum positioning do we want to use for this or loading
• 59:53
  strategy? So I appreciate you sharing
• 59:55
  that. And this also provides a decent
• 59:58
  segue into that last shift that I was going to make.
• 1:00:02
  Also, I, I tried to sprinkle in there by saying the rehab
• 1:00:06
  professional that you choose to work with, I want to kind of
• 1:00:09
  plug both of us with the upcoming webinar that neither of
• 1:00:15
  us will be host for. But we were very much involved
• 1:00:19
  in the creation of this baseball rehab network and now a new
• 1:00:24
  approach to UCL rehab. Shoot, this has been 18 months
• 1:00:29
  of work going into this. It's why we spent so much time
• 1:00:32
  talking about neurology and Physiology today, because that
• 1:00:35
  was such a huge chapter of your contribution to rewriting the
• 1:00:40
  way UCL rehabs are performed. Really trying to implement more
• 1:00:46
  data into the process. So we're going from surgery back
• 1:00:49
  to competition better than we ever have before.
• 1:00:52
  So with that, I just kind of want to turn it over to you once
• 1:00:56
  again. Have you offer some thoughts,
• 1:00:59
  maybe what you're most excited about coming forward with this
• 1:01:03
  or where you think this might be able to make the biggest change
• 1:01:06
  I. Mean obviously first shout out
• 1:01:09
  is is you know Dylan newcomer the work that he did and the
• 1:01:12
  heavy, heavy lifting that he did on so much of this along with
• 1:01:16
  doctor Fury and Darrell and and my contributions are a fraction
• 1:01:21
  of anything that they have done because it's been unbelievable
• 1:01:24
  to watch this. And again, the thoughtfulness
• 1:01:26
  that that that Dylan takes with everything that he does
• 1:01:30
  definitely is motivating to to people like me to keep pushing
• 1:01:33
  and learning. It's a huge shout out to to him
• 1:01:36
  and I'm so excited because I do think to me, we know that the
• 1:01:42
  professional game has the trickle down influence on what
• 1:01:45
  happens at the youth level. And the more education that we
• 1:01:49
  can provide sprinkled across that whole spectrum, the better
• 1:01:53
  off this game is going to be. Whether it be the different
• 1:01:55
  things that major baseball is trying to do from the other
• 1:01:58
  shutdown periods and what not, but to see this, this protocol
• 1:02:01
  come about, provide objective feedback, right?
• 1:02:05
  That's the biggest thing to me that most of our previous
• 1:02:07
  protocols have missed is objectivity with regard to how
• 1:02:11
  we monitor the progressions, how we implement different
• 1:02:15
  strategies based on that objective feedback.
• 1:02:18
  This offers that objective feedback obviously when you have
• 1:02:22
  a device so like Flex Pro to give you an objective if you do
• 1:02:25
  it's great, but then utilizing whether it be a pulse sensor,
• 1:02:29
  whether it be something like tracker like with our stuff,
• 1:02:32
  right that gives you some form of of objectivity and tracking
• 1:02:35
  to what you're doing it is absolutely crucial Again, you
• 1:02:39
  wouldn't go through a strength conditioning program blind.
• 1:02:42
  You're going to track your weights that you use at the very
• 1:02:44
  least right. If you have no other technology
• 1:02:47
  and tools, the easiest thing is to track how much weight you're
• 1:02:49
  doing for for set lift. If you're doing a bench press
• 1:02:52
  for four weeks and your bench press is going up, you're
• 1:02:55
  actually getting more skilled at the bench press, but then
• 1:02:57
  ideally you're producing more force.
• 1:02:59
  And it's the same way with our rehab protocols where we've seen
• 1:03:02
  them. I just had one come across my
• 1:03:04
  lap the other day that had UCL repairs throwing it at 12 weeks,
• 1:03:09
  right? And it's just like, what could
• 1:03:11
  they have possibly done to prepare their body to throw a
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  baseball in 12 weeks? There's it's just not.
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  And it's just this big lack of understanding between who is
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  writing the protocols and who is implementing the protocols.
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  And to your point, you want a professional that has some form
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  of education on what it takes from a physical demand
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  standpoint to throw a baseball. And those are the athletes that
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  at the very best typically spend their first 3 or 4 weeks in a
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  throwing program playing the chase instead of catch.
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  And we've seen it. I've seen it at the highest
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  level, like Major League Baseball players that had more
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  of the old school because they had to, whether it be because
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  the affiliate rehab professional was more old school or the
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  surgeon that did their surgery demanded that it be done a
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  certain way. Where you talk about an ugly
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  game of, again, I'll say chase instead of catch for the first
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  three weeks. Not to mention the cranky
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  shoulders, the elbow that that doesn't like the velocity or the
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  neurology that we're imposing on it because it hasn't been
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  prepared for. The physiological perspective
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  like this hits it from both ends of the spectrum and it's being
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  produced to the masses that again, like, I really, really
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  hope people enjoy what they're what they're going to get.
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  And again, huge shout out to Dylan and Daryl and Doctor Fury
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  and the rest of that crew, because I might be the might be
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  the kid at the end of the project that saunters up and is
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  like, all right, guys, how'd we how'd we do?
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  Contributed very, very lightly to anything.
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  So they've they've done phenomenal.
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  I'm, I'm super excited for it and my role in a lot of this was
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  kind of being primary editor, did some creation to the
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  narrative. But I, I had the, the joy in
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  this process of spending so much time reading what was coming in
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  and trying to figure out the wording that makes sense to put
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  in one final script. I felt like I got to be quality
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  control to a certain extent. So I was just inundated with
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  information. I, I learned so much during the
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  18 month process. But one of the biggest things to
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  me, I feel it was expressed just a few days ago when I made an
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  Instagram post from our Flex Pro RIP account showing what one of
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  the world's premier surgeons prescribes as a throwing program
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  versus what we have worked to rewrite.
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  And you see this crazy up, down, it looks like the heart rate in
• 1:05:36
  the hospital versus what we tried to write was this nice
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  steady upward slope of chronic workload in a nice steady line
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  of ACWR going across the bottom as opposed to this constant
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  escalator up, escalator down like shark teeth.
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  And what I was saying of why this is so powerful to me is
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  just removing the blinders. I think that's what this is
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  going to provide more than anything else.
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  Or that was the big take away from this experience for me was
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  I always knew something was wrong.
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  I always knew something was bad and it needed to be better.
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  But I had no appetite for how bad everything was until I
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  really got to read everything that was coming in and look at
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  what is out there in the industry and trying to connect
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  the dots. And I feel that post from the
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  other day was the was kind of, I don't know who was the appetizer
• 1:06:39
  for the industry to see it, but it didn't have a crazy amount of
• 1:06:42
  likes for maybe what influencers get, but for what we get.
• 1:06:46
  And kind of like a small social media account, that thing went
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  crazy. And I mean, people were saying
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  my elbow hurts just looking at this program or I had to pick up
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  my jaw from the floor. I mean, that's how I felt when I
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  first saw it. And to think that's what's being
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  prescribed by the world's best, Like, that's insane to me.
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  And we need to do better. And I think October 28th is is
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  really going to be a major step in that direction.
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  So being a part of it for me was an honor.
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  I mean, it was awesome working with you in the process.
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  Like I said, the neurology Physiology piece was so huge,
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  incredibly enlightening. And just the phrasing made so
• 1:07:26
  much sense when you introduced that and brought it to the
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  table. So your contribution to that
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  chapter definitely put us in a better place.
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  Well, I appreciate that. Again, that's certainly steal
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  from somebody heck of a lot smarter than than I am with
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  regard to kind of categorizing it in that way.
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  And it really just resonated with me as a as a clinician and
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  then now as a, you know, performance coach, to be able to
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  again, just understand that force of the language with which
• 1:07:53
  we communicate with our body and ourselves.
• 1:07:54
  And the way that we do that manipulated over the course of
• 1:07:58
  kind of Physiology and neurology is really heavily influenced on
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  the velocity of that movement. And then being able to
• 1:08:04
  manipulate that over the course of the year has been has been
• 1:08:06
  huge. And you know that post you even
• 1:08:08
  shared Austin Marchasani's host, who Austin's actually now one of
• 1:08:12
  our coaches. So with with Premier.
• 1:08:14
  So that's going to be awesome to have him on and his contribution
• 1:08:17
  to something like tracker for us are going to be huge.
• 1:08:20
  He was a former intern of ours and then now he's going to be on
• 1:08:23
  with us. So we're excited to have him and
• 1:08:25
  he's going to certainly make us better excited about that.
• 1:08:28
  But yeah, an honor to be a part of the the project in in any
• 1:08:31
  small fraction that I have been and to rub shoulders with with
• 1:08:36
  you guys. And for the likes of Dylan and
• 1:08:38
  Doctor Fury and the rest of everybody who's contributed to
• 1:08:40
  this has been phenomenal. I'm excited for people to to to
• 1:08:45
  read it, to see it, hopefully tune into the webinar.
• 1:08:49
  And I'm hopeful that it's going to spark a lot of good
• 1:08:51
  conversations. And I certainly am one of those
• 1:08:53
  people that I seek out those conversations.
• 1:08:55
  And you heard it somewhere that, yeah, maybe Cressy said at one
• 1:08:59
  time that you take out the opportunity to be the dumbest
• 1:09:01
  person in the room. It doesn't take a whole lot for
• 1:09:03
  that to happen to me, but I enjoy enjoy doing it nonetheless
• 1:09:06
  too. I'm there all too often, but I
• 1:09:08
  certainly come out better from those type of conversations.
• 1:09:11
  So that's my big challenge to anybody else that that sees it
• 1:09:14
  or sees this episode. If you, if you don't like
• 1:09:16
  something that was said by me or you see in the protocol or you
• 1:09:21
  do or anything in between, like don't hesitate to reach out
• 1:09:24
  because we certainly are better for those conversations.
• 1:09:27
  With this episode itself coming out, let's see, let me get my
• 1:09:31
  dates right. With this episode itself coming
• 1:09:34
  out on October 20, 3rd, you'll have a few days still to
• 1:09:38
  register for the free webinar. I'm not trying to sell anyone on
• 1:09:42
  anything, but it is a free webinar.
• 1:09:45
  The link will be in my Instagram bio.
• 1:09:47
  It's in my Twitter bio. I say my the Flex Pro Grip
• 1:09:50
  account, but if you can't find it, just reach out.
• 1:09:53
  We'll provide you with the registration link.
• 1:09:55
  We want everyone in anyone to get involved.
• 1:09:59
  As Nolan said, seek out opportunities.
• 1:10:01
  We're not trying to claim to be the smartest people in the room.
• 1:10:03
  This is just something that we put a ton of work into and would
• 1:10:07
  love to discuss it with the masses and show the work that we
• 1:10:11
  put in now. Last ask for you Nolan, because
• 1:10:15
  you are now with Premier. I know your direct social media
• 1:10:19
  hasn't changed, but I want you to plug your social media as
• 1:10:22
  well as premieres in case anyone wants to get in touch directly
• 1:10:26
  with you or your crew at. Premier pitching is our social
• 1:10:32
  like a content on there about the things that that we do from
• 1:10:35
  a assessment standpoint, again, talking about kind of going back
• 1:10:38
  to that, that comprehensive assessment and the different
• 1:10:40
  things that we do. And we're very, very proud of
• 1:10:43
  it. Something we continue to work on
• 1:10:45
  every single day and leverage the tools that we have to make
• 1:10:49
  that assessment more robust. And kind of on a personal note,
• 1:10:52
  I'm looking forward to getting back to maybe hopefully treat
• 1:10:54
  some patients here in, in 2025, late 2025, early 2026 as I've
• 1:11:00
  I've kind of been more on the performance side here this last
• 1:11:03
  year getting back into to treating some patients in some
• 1:11:07
  capacity. So I'm excited for that and get
• 1:11:09
  to get to get my hands on some patients again.
• 1:11:12
  In your accounts, Nolan, don't sell yourself short.
• 1:11:15
  My own account that you're going to get an insight into my
• 1:11:18
  relationship with my own social media is my Instagram is at
• 1:11:22
  Nolan dot Repay, and then my now X handle is at Nolan under score
• 1:11:28
  Repay 15. Try to try to share some of the
• 1:11:32
  things that we have here in house going on on some of those
• 1:11:35
  socials. Certainly share what our own
• 1:11:37
  social media shares with Premiere and some of the things
• 1:11:40
  that we filmed. Just going over a little
• 1:11:42
  details, but it's a great place to strike up conversations.
• 1:11:45
  I have met so many awesome people through social media,
• 1:11:48
  yourself included, and it's definitely sparked a lot of
• 1:11:52
  relationships that have made me certainly better as a person and
• 1:11:55
  clinician and professional, and that's what it's all about.
• 1:11:58
  And one final jab at Nolan, now that I've hyped him up for long
• 1:12:01
  enough on this podcast, if anyone is looking for, I won't
• 1:12:06
  call it a drinking game because we don't necessarily condone
• 1:12:09
  that here. So we'll call it a hydration
• 1:12:10
  game. If you want to enjoy yourself,
• 1:12:14
  listen to Nolan social media and every time you hear the word
• 1:12:18
  capacity, take a sip. We try to.
• 1:12:21
  We got, we got to get, we got to get deep in the thesaurus here
• 1:12:24
  to find something different to cover that.
• 1:12:27
  And it's funny because I think I, I think I messaged you the
• 1:12:29
  one day and I was like, holy cow, I don't realize how often I
• 1:12:33
  say the word capacity. It's disgusting.
• 1:12:36
  And I even mentioned, I think I even think I mentioned I was
• 1:12:38
  like, hopefully nobody's playing a drinking game because we're
• 1:12:40
  going to have a bunch of a bunch of really drunk humans.
• 1:12:43
  They had to reuse your talking. Might make it better.
• 1:12:46
  It might make it better if they are, if they are drunk or
• 1:12:48
  watching my videos. So yeah, not that we condone
• 1:12:51
  drinking. Allegedly.
• 1:12:52
  Hydration. Hydration exactly.
• 1:12:55
  Make your electrolyte mix and then start the game.
• 1:12:58
  Yeah, and maybe have a few extra on hand because you're gonna go
• 1:13:01
  through that pretty quick. Well, Nolan, this has been
• 1:13:03
  awesome. Thanks for sitting in for me to
• 1:13:06
  grill you. Thanks for being a recurring
• 1:13:08
  guest. As you know your obligations, it
• 1:13:10
  requires you to come back at any time I ask.
• 1:13:13
  That is part of being a member of the Lay Back family.
• 1:13:17
  And thanks for letting me make fun of you for that last 32nd
• 1:13:20
  bit is I guess that's what's owed to me after propping you up
• 1:13:24
  for the previous hour and a half.
• 1:13:25
  But if I can't, if I can't laugh at myself for some of the some
• 1:13:28
  of the stuff that I do that is borderline stupid, then it'd be
• 1:13:31
  a pretty boring life and I'd be a pretty unhappy human.
• 1:13:34
  So no, I, I appreciate everything you've done for me
• 1:13:36
  and appreciate the opportunity to be here, definitely swimming
• 1:13:39
  in, in deeper water than what I'm used to and being on, on
• 1:13:42
  something like this. So by all means, I I appreciate
• 1:13:45
  everything that you've done and, and having me back.
• 1:13:47
  Well, this was amazing. Once again, I appreciate you and
• 1:13:50
  I appreciate our friendship. And to all the listeners out
• 1:13:53
  there, thanks for laying back with us.