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Queen of the Jungle Maria Tabraue's Life Inside the Controversial Zoological Wildlife Foundation · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. So I'm a huge animal lover.
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  Speaker 1: We currently have two dogs, Mishka and Nala, and we're
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  Speaker 1: fostering a third, which I think is really gonna end
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  Speaker 1: up living with us. And if it was up to
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  Speaker 1: my daughter and me, we'd probably have three.
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  Speaker 2: More, at least.
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  Speaker 1: Most days, I kind of like my dogs more than
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  Speaker 1: I like some people. So when today's guest, Maria Tabrawi,
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  Speaker 1: the co-president and director of Zoological Wildlife Foundation in Miami
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  Speaker 1: invited me to visit, I jumped at the chance. I
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  Speaker 1: took my daughter out of school for the day and
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  Speaker 1: made it where she could come with me and see
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  Speaker 1: what her mom does for a living, but also get
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  Speaker 1: a chance Once in a lifetime experience, which happens to
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  Speaker 1: be an educational day about animals in captivity. Maria gave
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  Speaker 1: us a tour of the beautiful property. We got to
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  Speaker 1: experience some of the animals, most of the animals actually,
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  Speaker 1: and see why the park is so popular with locals
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  Speaker 1: and tourists alike. The staff takes amazing care of these animals,
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  Speaker 1: the guests and everything in between. Some people think that
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  Speaker 1: raising animals in captivity is basically the equivalent of abuse.
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot of feelings on this, but I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you from being there and experiencing this firsthand
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  Speaker 1: that ZWF is run basically like a private zoo. When
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  Speaker 1: you go visit, you get a private tour. If that's
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  Speaker 1: how you schedule it and you feel like no one
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  Speaker 1: else is there. When we were there, literally no one
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  Speaker 1: was there besides us. And it felt like it was
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  Speaker 1: really just us living in the animal's world. I've never
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  Speaker 1: experienced anything like it. And I want you to really
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  Speaker 1: understand that I got the feeling that these animals were
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  Speaker 1: so cared for and so loved and so happy. So
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  Speaker 1: I really hope you take a minute to Google ZWF
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  Speaker 1: or go on their Instagram and learn about their mission.
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  Speaker 1: While we were there, Maria and I chatted about what
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  Speaker 1: it's like to raise these animals and about the stigma
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  Speaker 1: and claims that it is abusive. We talk about what
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  Speaker 1: it's like to call the zoo her home. She actually
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  Speaker 1: lives there on the property. We got to meet Limbani,
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  Speaker 1: the zoo's superstar chimpanzee, who, by the way, has over 800,000
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  Speaker 1: followers on Instagram. People actually DM him to get a
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  Speaker 1: happy birthday wish and all sorts of things. It's completely crazy.
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  Speaker 1: He's the biggest celebrity I've seen in a while. We
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  Speaker 1: got to spend some time with him and see how
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  Speaker 1: loved he is and see how much he loves Maria
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  Speaker 1: and her staff. They've raised him since he was a baby.
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  Speaker 1: We also discussed some of the zoo's detractors, namely PETA,
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  Speaker 1: and why people shouldn't compare ZWF to the Tiger King.
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  Speaker 1: After my visit, one thing is clear. They love their
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  Speaker 1: animals and they take pride in bringing that joy to
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  Speaker 1: the public. And they want you to visit and they
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  Speaker 1: want you to see what it's all about. It was
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  Speaker 1: an eye-opening conversation into a world only a few know
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  Speaker 1: about firsthand. So please enjoy my interview with Maria. Okay, Maria,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me on Misunderstood.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. I feel like it's such an honor to
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  Speaker 1: be here. Thank you. Being here, you know, the photos
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  Speaker 1: really don't do it justice. It feels like you're in
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  Speaker 1: the most intimate, it doesn't even feel like a zoo.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like you're in a home of the animals.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: Like an oasis, I would say.
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  Speaker 1: An oasis. That's a really good word.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so before we even get into how you got here,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to hear about your childhood a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: where you grew up, where you got this love for animals.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm Cuban. I was born in Cuba, Havana.
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  Speaker 4: And from there I left when I was four to Spain,
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  Speaker 4: and I actually went to school in Spain, grew up there, and...
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  Speaker 4: We actually moved here as immigrants when I was turning nine.
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  Speaker 4: And ever since I lived in Miami, I've traveled all over,
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  Speaker 4: but I lived in Miami. This is my actual home here, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Miami, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And did you, at a young age, were you, like,
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with animals?
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  Speaker 3: I remember when I was young, my father bought us
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  Speaker 3: a chicken.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: That's different.
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  Speaker 4: Farming, so... Since a child, I had animals, so I
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  Speaker 4: did have an affinity for animals. As I got older,
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  Speaker 4: I had dogs, I had cats. I loved taking care,
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  Speaker 4: like nourishing the babies, like baby cats. But as I
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  Speaker 4: grew older, I remember I used to sit with my
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  Speaker 4: dad every Sunday and watch Mutual of Omaha. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if you remember that program.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: That's way back, many years ago, many moons ago. So
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  Speaker 4: I used to watch that program, and I always used
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  Speaker 4: to tell my father, one day I'm going to have
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  Speaker 4: a zoo. Or one day I'm going to go to Africa.
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  Speaker 4: And he used to laugh at me. He used to go, well,
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  Speaker 4: you better make a lot of money working and have
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  Speaker 4: a career so you can, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And it was possible. I made, you know, we made
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  Speaker 4: that happen. And, you know, I mean, I grew up
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  Speaker 4: with dogs. I grew up with cats, chickens. But older
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  Speaker 4: in life, you know, I was also introduced to a Capuchin.
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  Speaker 4: It was of a cat named Dan. He was all
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  Speaker 4: white with red eyes, actually from Mario. I, we, we
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  Speaker 4: were able to purchase in the eighties that cat. And
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  Speaker 4: then we also purchased through my father-in-law because I was
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  Speaker 4: previously married, a, um, actually a cougar. We also, we, he,
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  Speaker 4: we acquired that back in the eighties. You, it was
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  Speaker 4: nothing so strict to get licenses as is now. They
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  Speaker 4: don't let you have them in your home back then
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  Speaker 4: you were able.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So I think people are listening or probably like,
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  Speaker 1: but how did she even come into contact with these
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  Speaker 1: kind of different or endangered animals, right? Because most of
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  Speaker 1: us don't have that opportunity unless we go to a zoo. So,
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  Speaker 1: and some people do in certain states, I guess, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's less, you know, accessible to the average person.
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  Speaker 4: Well, now it's different. Now it's very... very strict.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Very strict. So you're saying in the 80s, it
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  Speaker 1: was less strict.
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  Speaker 3: In the 80s, anybody could have a cat, a feline
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  Speaker 3: in their home.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. The laws wasn't so strict.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: There were not so many people against what we do,
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  Speaker 4: animal rights, you know, activists. So it wasn't so like
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  Speaker 4: the way it is now.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So let's go back for a second to you
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  Speaker 1: talked about Mario. This was a man you met. You
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  Speaker 1: ended up marrying him. He's your partner now. in business
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  Speaker 1: not in life anymore no problem but at the time
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  Speaker 1: you met him and he was just coming off of
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  Speaker 1: a very difficult time in his life correct which is
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  Speaker 1: a very colorful story to this but it.
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  Speaker 4: Was funny because he was he wanted a new start
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  Speaker 4: in life and he was able to make that happen
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  Speaker 4: and I think that everybody comes to your life for
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  Speaker 4: a reason and I wanted I work for corporate for
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  Speaker 4: human resources I was going to school for professional management
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  Speaker 4: in Nova University But I was tired of working in corporate.
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  Speaker 3: And I wanted to have a business on my own.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So it was like things fall in place, and we met.
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  Speaker 4: The way I knew Mario was the animals that we
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  Speaker 4: had purchased, the exotic animals we had purchased, we had
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  Speaker 4: purchased through Mario through my brother-in-law. Okay. That loved exotic animals. Right.
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  Speaker 4: That's how I was introduced to exotic animals.
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  Speaker 1: Now, so for people, and we don't have to get
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  Speaker 1: into the whole thing, but so that we can add
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  Speaker 1: a little color to what we're talking about, Mario was
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  Speaker 1: involved in a zoo.
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  Speaker 4: Moons ago.
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  Speaker 1: Moons ago. And he ended up having some trouble unrelated
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  Speaker 1: to the zoo.
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  Speaker 3: Zoological Unlimited was his first zoo.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So at the time you met him, he had
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  Speaker 1: just come out of prison.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: And he had spent 12 years, I think, of a
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  Speaker 1: 100-year sentence or something. And he got out. And he
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  Speaker 1: decided to change the zoo that he had that had
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  Speaker 1: some trouble. He started again.
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  Speaker 3: He had nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Started over.
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  Speaker 3: From bottom up.
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  Speaker 1: And that became.
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  Speaker 5: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 5: for it?
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  Speaker 6: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 6: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
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  Speaker 5: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 2: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 4: Where?
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  Speaker 2: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 5: Do you mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 1: Lift?
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  Speaker 4: Please.
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  Speaker 5: Are you going past Kimmage?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Kimmage!
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: This, the current.
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  Speaker 3: Became this, and then we met.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Through his brother. His brother was a very good
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  Speaker 4: friend of mine for almost 10 years before I saw
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  Speaker 4: Mario again. Okay. And then.
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  Speaker 1: How many animals at the time, when you came here,
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  Speaker 1: how many animals were here?
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  Speaker 4: No, there were none.
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  Speaker 3: This didn't exist. We started in a warehouse.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: By the airport of Miami. Importing, exporting exotic animals.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And this is for people to buy or just
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  Speaker 1: to see?
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  Speaker 3: To purchase.
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  Speaker 4: People would purchase. We would sell to the reptile industry,
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  Speaker 4: people that breed and sell animals, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And through friends of his and stuff, we started talking.
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  Speaker 4: And I wanted to open a business. He wanted another
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  Speaker 4: chance in life. And it happened, you know. And we
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  Speaker 4: started the import-export by the airport. And then we had
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  Speaker 4: a chance. We were looking for property. And I purchased
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  Speaker 4: this property. And then that's how it started.
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  Speaker 1: What was it like here? Was it all these trees?
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  Speaker 4: Abandoned. No roads. No nothing. It was just an empty
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  Speaker 4: lot with a home vacant for the past three years.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a disaster.
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  Speaker 4: This was like a training, like a home that used
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  Speaker 4: to train horses.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 4: So it had the tracks to train the horses.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So we had to clean everything out. So imagine, before
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  Speaker 4: Zoological Wildlife Foundation, Zoological Wildlife Foundation was incorporated in 2000. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But before Zoological hit it from the ground up, because
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  Speaker 4: we were doing the import and export, it was about 2011.
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  Speaker 4: So it took all those years to actually build it. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know. So what was your first animal that you had?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: The first animal was a capuchin.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. And then from a capuchin. A capuchin is, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my God, the baby capuchins. They're from the New World monkey.
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  Speaker 3: They're very funny.
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  Speaker 4: They actually use them for handicap for elderly people. Oh.
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  Speaker 4: So they're trained. These animals are trained. We don't train them.
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  Speaker 4: We don't declaw animals or anything. Uh-huh. But they're New
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  Speaker 4: World monkeys. That's how you call them. Okay. And capuchins have, like,
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  Speaker 4: Different subspecies of cabochons.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So not to get so into it.
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  Speaker 1: But these were your first animals that you acquired.
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  Speaker 4: Then we had a leopard called Gypsy.
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  Speaker 3: And Gypsy used to travel with us.
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  Speaker 4: We used to stay at hotels because I remember when
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  Speaker 4: he got out, he used to live with his mom.
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  Speaker 3: And I used to live in my house, in.
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  Speaker 4: My home with my parents because I had younger kids
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  Speaker 4: and I used to work and go to school.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: So we would go out and then when we started...
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  Speaker 4: you know, be more involved and being together.
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  Speaker 3: We used to stay in hotels.
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  Speaker 4: One of them was the princess hotel and you go
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  Speaker 4: in with your car and nobody will see you. So
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  Speaker 4: imagine we would be there and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: the leopard would roar.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. People must have been like, what is
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  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, hysterical. So, and then we had our gibbon. Our
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  Speaker 4: gibbons come from Indonesia that Dr. Levine actually helped us
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  Speaker 4: acquire one. You know, he gave us one on loan.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what we started. And then that's when I thought,
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  Speaker 4: I said.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, I want to open a zoo.
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  Speaker 4: I want to be able to give this experience that
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  Speaker 4: we're having, share it with the world. And people that
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  Speaker 4: cannot go to Africa, the Amazon is actually here in
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  Speaker 4: South Florida. That was the concept of it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So when you started to acquire these animals, I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: still the property wasn't like it is now. So it
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  Speaker 1: was cages just being built as you were getting different animals?
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how it worked?
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  Speaker 3: Correct, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And did you know a lot about these animals before
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  Speaker 1: you had them?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Mario had, I had the knowledge of the corporate
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  Speaker 4: world and being able to manage.
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  Speaker 1: So you were the business.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah. And Mario had the affinity and the knowledge
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  Speaker 4: of the animal.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And acquiring the animals and the network of friends that
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  Speaker 4: he had built through the years before, you know, he
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  Speaker 4: went on vacation.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So, so that's how we started.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So he started doing his network, calling people and people
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  Speaker 4: started helping him and, you know, and building the Capitol home.
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  Speaker 4: to acquire these animals because some of them we have to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, being able to get them or facilitate them,
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  Speaker 4: you know, food and places to trade with people. Right, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the animals you have here. We
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  Speaker 1: took a tour and saw most of your beautiful animals,
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  Speaker 1: but why don't you explain to the listeners the types
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  Speaker 1: of animals, the different types of animals you have right now.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we have about 200 and plus animals.
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  Speaker 3: I would say 250 and plus.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Yes, and different species, like we have capuchins, we
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  Speaker 4: have delta capuchins, cinnamon capuchins. So we have a different
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  Speaker 4: variety of animals, from snakes to owls to all kinds
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  Speaker 4: of felines. We have jaguars, lepers, tigers, lions, standard whites,
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  Speaker 4: and then we have tortoises, turtles, you know, we have crocodiles.
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  Speaker 1: Kangaroos.
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  Speaker 4: A variety of animals that we have. Say a menagerie
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  Speaker 4: of animals.
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  Speaker 1: I would say. Is there one animal that you don't
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  Speaker 1: have yet that you still want to acquire?
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  Speaker 4: A hippo.
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  Speaker 1: Are hippos the ones that are dangerous, or is that rhinoceros?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but that's kind of my.
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  Speaker 4: I love Limbani. Limbani is a chimpanzee, was my all-time.
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  Speaker 4: But then the hippo is one of something different that
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  Speaker 4: I would love to.
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  Speaker 1: You would love to have. Do you think there's a
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  Speaker 1: possibility you might ever acquire one?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, anything is possible.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Do they need a lot of space?
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  Speaker 4: You need a lot of space because, remember, they travel.
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  Speaker 4: They walk and then they go. They have to build, like,
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  Speaker 4: a big pool because they do their necessities in the pool.
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  Speaker 3: So you have to do, like, a filtering system where
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  Speaker 3: it will flush out, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Clean your water. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The animal itself is a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of the stories behind
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  Speaker 1: some of these animals. A lot of them have come from...
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  Speaker 1: places where you're almost rescuing them, right, out of the situation.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell us about.
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  Speaker 4: Some of them? We actually rescued from Africa about six
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  Speaker 4: from can hunting white tigers. Because over there in Africa,
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  Speaker 4: what they do is they pay a front, people travel,
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  Speaker 4: and then they kill them.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: And then they bring the trophy. The trophy is the head,
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: whatever part they want. And they have to get societies
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: to bring them back to the United States or anywhere
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: in the country those people can afford to go. So
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: we actually rescued, and it was very expensive. It was
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: about 20-some grand each animal that we brought and we rescued.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: And those animals we produced because the way I actually,
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: I was able to get the experience. Like I said,
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I was saying that one day I wanted to go
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: to Africa. I made that happen. We made that happen,
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: and we went to Africa, to the south of Africa, Malamala.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: And we stayed at a preserve, and we actually went out,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: and we would see the animals. Right.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: You know, free in the wild.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: And it's beautiful, but it's... We learned from it, and
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: we were able to bring it back to constant and
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: build the habitats here to make it very natural. But
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: at the same time, when people criticize what we do,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: I would say it's not fair.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Why it's not fair?
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Because, yes, I would love to see animals free. And
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: that's the concept I want to build in the future.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: We were able to build the capital to do that.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: But right now, animals that have been in captivity for
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: more than 100 years, you cannot take these animals and
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: put them up in the wild because First of all,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: they will not survive because the deforestation that they have
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: in the wild, the food, the chain of food that
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: they will fight, they'll kill themselves.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: These animals.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Right, they don't know about hunting, right?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't know.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: So how do they survive?
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: So they're going to be the guinea pig of those
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: animals that are there in the wild. And then the
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: life proximity of these animals in captivity, if they last...
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Let's say 20 years in the wild will last half
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Because of food.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: for it?
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: It's Dunaidial.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Where?
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: Dunaidial.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: There's an accent on the E.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: Do you mean.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got it on Dundiel Cars.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Lift?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: You going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: No.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Done deal cars.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: They have to survive. And they're skinny. Over here, we
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: have our vets that come almost every other week. We
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: have a hospital that, you know, we have the capability
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: of taking care of these animals.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, they're really being cared for in a different way.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: And if you look at animals, you have the experience.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: You can walk and you can, for yourself, you can critique.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: And you can see the way we have the animals
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: and you can go to Zoo Miami.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Look how they have the animals, beautiful habitats, but they're skinny.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Well, this habitat is so much different, though, because in
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a regular zoo, you have hundreds of people walking through,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: looking at the cages, making a lot of noise. And
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: here it feels really different because, again, what I was
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: saying before, it really feels like you're in the animal's
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: home and we're just, we get a bird's eye view
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: in and we're really not disturbing them, which is really nice.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: But in the same way, your animals are okay with
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: or craving the attention of of people but like one
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: on one because you guys allow people to go in
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and pet them they're really domesticated in the way that
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: they love humans they're not scared and that's pretty amazing.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Because we've been doing this for close to it's going
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: to be 24 years next year that we've been doing
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: this so they get used to they get used to
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: the noises they get used to the people do.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: You think they would have a hard time if there
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: was hundreds of people walking through like a regular.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: The way we set this up is we do tours
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: every hour or every hour and a half so we
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: and it's we have a cap So we don't try
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: to overdo it to stress the animals. So we do
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: a certain amount of caps during the eight hours. Right.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And we make it fair.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: So this is not so crazy full.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: How many of the animals here were born in captivity
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: versus how many you saved from somewhere else where they
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: were maybe in the wild?
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I would say all the white tigers were brought from Africa.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Everything else was either reproduced or they were here and
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: they reproduced themselves.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So they're used to being in cages.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Yes. It's not.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So, again, you were talking about how you get a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: lot of criticism, which to some would sound odd because
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you are taking care of animals. And you explained it already.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: A lot of these animals could not survive because it's
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: not like they were taken from the wild. You rescued
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: some from the wild. I asked you this earlier, but
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I want to hear the answer again about if you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: raise an animal from birth and they know you... How
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: will they grow to be with you? Like so many
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: people say, oh, tigers at a certain age shouldn't be
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: wrestling and hugging people. They should be in the wild
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: or they should be in a cage. Talk to me
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: about what it's like to raise an animal, um, into,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you know, adulthood and, and the connection that the animal
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: really gets with the owner, um, or their handlers.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Their handlers.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: So Sergei moms or, or, you know, her father, um,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: An animal is like a child. They give birth, they're born,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: and the person that takes care of them, they see
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: them as their family member, as a mom, and they
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: become attached to that person. Yeah. How human-alistic you want
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: to have that animal is up to the person. We
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: take care of the animals, we interact with the animals,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: but we let them be as natural as possible.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: That's how we do it here.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: We don't declare animals, we don't defend our animals. Like,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: everything is intact. We don't show them tricks.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Right. So it's not like a circus. It's not a circus.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just basically the up-close personal experience and
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: the educational part of learning about what we have here.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious, someone like you that knows so much
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: about these more rare animals, what do you think of circuses?
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: No, I don't like circuses. You don't? No.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's abuse the way that they teach,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: like those elephants?
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Kind of, yes. I don't like, you know. Bringing brothers,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I don't like that kind of scenario.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: You know, if you see that scenario from being a
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: circus and from here, you can tell the difference. Here,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: they're not being transported to do shows. Right. They're not
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: being abused to do shows or bidding. They're here. You're
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: going into their enclosures. You're doing the interaction, the experience.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: You're seeing them. You take up close and personal pictures
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: with them.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: You're able to touch certain areas of the animal because
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: we're not going to let you put your finger in
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: the mouth to get hurt.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Because, I mean, that's kind of ridiculous. But we want
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: to give that feeling for them to get up close
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: and personal with a person. But that's it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: That's as far as we go.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Right. Do you ever have a difficult time with people
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: coming in here that they're not respecting your home? I mean,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: this really is your home or the animals? We actually.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: We actually never had. I mean, I would say children
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: maybe because they want to play and they want to touch.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And if the parent is not supervising the father, of course,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: we would say, hey, you know, you need to keep
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: your child close to you.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Make sure that they don't put that... Like, we read
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: the right act to them. Yeah. But honestly, we never
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: had any issues here with anybody. You know, I mean,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: they learn. People that come to us, it's because they
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: love nature, one, and they love animals. Right. And they
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: want that up-close and personal experience.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: How are you guys... Funded. I mean, you guys are obviously...
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: We're self-funded. You're self-funded. Wow.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: We want to be able to open a 501c to
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: get more help because it's very costly.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: The food, the.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Medical, upkeeping the animals here every day, the staff here.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: We have about 20-some employees in assurances. It's expensive.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: That's another thing I saw when I was walking around.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: You really get the feeling that these animals are not
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: neglected even for five minutes. There is a human walking
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: by near their cage, talking to them. through their cage,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in the cage. I mean, you really get the feeling
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that all the animals are being touched all the time.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: And my staff and volunteers, either they're going to, they're
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: all going to school. I make sure that I, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: keep a track on them. Like, they go to school,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: they're educated, they, I mean, they have a passion and
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: a love for what they're doing. It's something, when they're
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: going to school, it's something related to animals. Either they
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: become a vet, a doctor, you know, it's related. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: that's what we try to do.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: What do you think is the difference between you guys
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and a situation like the Tiger King? Obviously, during COVID,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: everybody got obsessed with two things, doing their own hair
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: at home.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, I did that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Coloring their own hair and watching the Tiger King.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So we all, I think, have a bird's eye view
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: into the life of somebody who takes care of tigers,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: someone in the zoo aspect of things. But what is
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: different about you guys and what do you think about- Well, I.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Would say Mario and I are very eccentric. We're eccentric,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: but we're very classy people, apart from that. And we're
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Hispanic in the sense that we're culture, in the sense
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: that from very early, they teach us to love animals,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: to be very close to nature, to people. So that's
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: instilled in us. But most of all, I don't like
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: to talk bad about people, but I would say those
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: other people that were in the animal business, they were
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: not doing something right. Or they were too worried about
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: the gossip in between them and worried about what they
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: have to do, which is their business. So that's what
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: makes us different. And the people that come here, if
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: you look at our TripAdvisor or Google Critics, you see
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: that our... Our comments are good versus a negative comment.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: There's no being abusive, hitting animals. There's not being abusive,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: animals not being taken care of. Right. You know, yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: there's gossip about maybe one of the owners, but that
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: was a past.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: That was a life. But you can't bring that past into.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: for it?
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. they have
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: It's Dune-A-D-L.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Where?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Dune-A-D-L. There's an accent on the E.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Do you mean.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got it on Done Deal Cars.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Lift?
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: You're going past Kimmage.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage. No.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Done Deal Cars.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: A person doing a business now.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Of course.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And You know, he served his time that he was
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: given and, you know, everyone deserves a second chance. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: obviously this is a beautiful, you know, end story to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: what he went through in the past. And I know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I met him earlier in there. Mario, we're
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: talking about he was very clear that this is a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: work in progress and he's always doing his best to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: make it even better. And that's kind of a metaphor
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: for your life, for everybody. I think that's very clear
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: with you guys separately, but this project that you have.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're separated, but we both have an affinity and
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: a love and passion for what we do. So this
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: is why it works for us.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Right. Now you live here on the property.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: What is that like? Do you wake up to certain sounds?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: The zoo is a zoo. The zoo is a zoo.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I live in the zoo. I mean, there's no words
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: to express it because I wake up to the sounds
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: of the animals. I go to sleep sometimes to the
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: sound of the felines trying to mate.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And them conversing with one another.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Or in the early in the morning, you hear the gibbons,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: the howling sounds that they make trying to communicate. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: then from there... then the capuchins will start. And then
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: from there, the, the peanuts will start. Right. So it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: like a musical. Right. Going around, you know, that's amazing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And then you open your door and you see all
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: those beautiful peacocks in your front yard.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: And my landscaping. I love nature. So I love it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You can't get better than this kind of landscaping. Um,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So we sort of touched on this, but there are
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: some detractors that think that animals should not be kept
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in captivity in general. Not just here, but in all zoos,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in SeaWorld. You know, what are your thoughts in general
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: I think it's a way of them making money. Because
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: they open a 501c. They get people that are not
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: very knowledgeable. But they have all this money to spend.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: They give them what they want to hear.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: And those people would invest money not knowing what's actually
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: happening behind the closed doors.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: The scenes, yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: You understand?
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then they believe in what that person is saying.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: And then it makes it bad for us because they
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: get the credit because they have all this funding that
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: they're coming. People are believing, but actually they're really not
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: taking care of those animals.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? They're making a profit out
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: of that. So at the end of the day, they're
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: making a profit out of that. turning it versus what
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: we do. Because if you're here and I welcome you
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and I welcome anybody that's against what we do to
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: actually come here and work with us and see what
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: we do.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And then they can critique.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Right. I think that's, you know, a great answer because
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it is very clear that you guys are very invested
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in your animals and they are, none of them seem
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to be in distress or want to be anywhere else.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And that's very clear. Whereas sometimes when you go elsewhere...
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to some of the places I mentioned, like a SeaWorld
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever, it does feel stressful for the people watching,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: for animals.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Because that becomes, I'm saying, that could be a little
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: bit of abusive because that becomes like a circus.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: They're in a tub, they're in a big giant pool,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: and they're swimming around.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: That I see it, but.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Also, those animals have been doing it for so many years,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: for so long, that this is the only thing they're
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: going to know.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: So if you take these.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Animals and you put them out in the ocean, what's
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: going to happen?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Right. They wouldn't be able to survive, probably. They wouldn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: even know where they were going, what they were doing.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Where they're going.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: So why change something that's already been done for many years?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: That they could have upgraded that pool?
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: That they could have done it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Bigger, twice or three times?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: To get that experience?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: That maybe.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: After those experiences, they showed people that they would actually
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: give them access even to the ocean, maybe close out
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: some area of the ocean, making it bigger for them.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: So maybe at some point from there, they can maybe.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: have moved to actually being released.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: That could have been done.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: If they didn't do it, it's on them. Right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Because they were more invested in the money that they
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: were getting, probably. So it sounds like, you know, there
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: are people that obviously start with a good intention and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: probably go sideways because they see how much money is
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: And you also have, when you have a company as
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: big as that, as let's say Miami Zoo, Miami Seaquarium,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: remember it's run by a bunch of members of the board.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: A board, yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: And everybody don't have the same.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Or the same structure.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Or the same background and knowledge.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Like, Mario and I have this business, but we're both,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, we both have the
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: same goals.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: We both have the same love and passion for the animals.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: So it's there, written in black and white.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: And we both see eye to eye when it comes
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, and I want to go back to,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: for one second, just because I think a lot of
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: people watching Tiger King did think that he had started
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: with good intentions. And went sideways because he got so
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: involved in the emotional drama and with the money he
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: was getting or not getting. Do you think he deserves
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to be in prison for.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: As long as he is? Through his career, the beginning,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: or after Tiger King?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Through his career in the beginning. I mean, he seemed
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: like at the beginning he loved animals. I don't know
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: if that's true.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Well, he always loved animals as a child. And I
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: can tell you and I can attest for that because
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I know him personally more than anybody out there in
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: the world because I lived with him for... For 15
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: and a half years living with him and then after
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: we've been together for 24. Now, so I can tell
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: you whoever is telling you that is talking crap. Because
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: the guy really loves what he does. The guy cries
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: when an animal dies.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: So I can tell you that what he does is
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: because he does it out of his heart. The love
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: that he has for those animals. Right. If you tell
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: me that he'd rather spend time with a human and
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: an animal, he's going to go for that animal, not
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: the human.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Right. You're talking about Mario.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Mario.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Okay. So if what he did, well, he paid a
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: price for it. He went to jail. He did something.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: It was wrong. And I believe in the law. And
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: I believe when you do something wrong, you got to
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: pay consequences. I'm that type of person. I want to
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: become an attorney. So I can tell you all. So
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: when someone tells me that, Oh, I didn't know what
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I was doing or I didn't do that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: No.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: You know what you were doing. Now you pay a
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: price and you pay the consequences.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: You did your time. Good.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: But now what you do after that when you get
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: out is up to you.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Shame on you if you do something wrong and shame
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: on you if you do good. You know what I'm saying?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: So he had an opportunity and he met me. And
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: there's a saying that behind every man there's a good woman.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: And I was a good woman.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: And I helped him. build this building this business together right.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Speaking of women in the um tiger arena i want
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to ask you about carol baskin just because so many
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: people are obsessed with liking her or hating her first
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of all do you think she killed her husband yes
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you do yes i know well okay that's interesting and.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: She's ignorant enough to keep putting things out.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: There like to doubling down doubling.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: Down instead of just moving along with her life.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Right but it is kind of amazing she's gotten away
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: with it this long.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Right There's no perfect crime, but I would say if
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: you don't tell, nobody will know. Right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Well, and a way to have a perfect crime is
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to not have a body. And if a tiger ate
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: your remains... There's no evidence. That could be the perfect crime.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure, yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: You don't see that on Dateline, though. You see the wife.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: for it?
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: This exclusive place that Donna's connections with. they have more
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: It's Dunediel.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: Where? Dunediel.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: There's an accent on the E.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Do you mean?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got it on Dunediel cars.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Lift?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: You going past Kimmage?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: No.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Dunediel cars.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Calling the husband with antifreeze or something. Not with a tiger.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Eventually maybe they'll have that more. All right, let's talk
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: about one of your most famous animals here, Limbani. These
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: were done by him. Talk about when he first came
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: into your life.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Well, Limbani, I mean, I got Limbani at day four.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I traveled to pick him up.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: He was sick.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: And so we brought him home. I brought him home,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: and he was with me. But, like, at the time,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I was getting separated at the time.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: We were separated.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: And I was going through my emotional up and downs,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: you know, the business. And he got kind of really sick.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: And I was actually remodeling my home because I wanted
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: a fresh start. So I wasn't even staying here that much.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: I was staying at the Ball Harbor. And that, I
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: had to hide him in, like with a stroller. Like
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I would put like a little blanket.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, he came to the hotel with you?
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. He came to my apartment. I lived in
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: my apartment next to, yeah, by Ball Harbor, Harbor House.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: So I remember I would park either in valet or
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I would, in valet they already knew me and I
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: had the guys already, like I would give them.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: $ 5, $ 10.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Right, you would grease them. Yeah, exactly. Or if not,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: I would go through the garage and then there I
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: would tell them, hey, I'm coming, make sure that the
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: management is not around. So I would take my stroller,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I would put the baby, I would cover it. And
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I remember one time I was in the elevator and
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: actually the manager was, Actually, she came in, and she had.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Her baby also. Oh, God.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: She goes, oh, I've seen you on the hallway.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you come with a stroller, and he's covering.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: I go, he is such a sensitive baby that if
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: he just sees you and hears a noise, he starts
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: making this.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: He starts crying. So I have to keep him, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yes. What if he made a sound?
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: I would have to explain myself. Yes, oh, my gosh.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: But that's what I used to do. And when I
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: had him in the apartment, when I used to bathe,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I actually had to bring this car seat into the
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: bathroom like a baby.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Because I used to do that with my children. I
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: was alone. I had to bring the little car seat,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: put him there so they would see me. Right. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: he was like that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So he's become kind of an Internet sensation. People, you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: ask for pictures. They ask for kisses.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's a celebrity.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So how did that happen?
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, who wouldn't love him?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, from day one, he's so lovable. And, I mean,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: all my staff would get to play with him. They
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: would become separate moms. Tanya, also a friend of ours,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: would actually take care of him and take him home.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: So he got to, for some reason, we opened his
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: own social Instagram.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: And that's how it started in YouTube.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: And it started, like, Like, you know, that network of
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: people sharing the photos.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: And I think one video that I took a picture
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: where the fountain is on the grass, that video became viral. Like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: and that's where it hit it off.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Now, we're hearing a bunch of noises.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: What is that?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Are you seeing those noises? Is that the lions?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Those are the lions, yeah.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Are they in a fight?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: No, they're just communicating.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they make that noise communicating with them, and that's
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: sometimes if they want to have sex. Got it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: So this happens during the day or this happens at night?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, it could happen at night too.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: At night is when they breed. Because remember, at night
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: is when they go hunting.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, right.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: So they're relaxing during the day. Right.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: A lot of these animals seem nocturnal that are here.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: So is there a lot of activity?
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Well, the capuchins and the gibbons, by 5, 6 o'clock,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: they're sleeping. Okay. Okay. The only ones that are more
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: active are the feet.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: My favorite one that I met was the sloths.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, I love sloths. Those are so cute. Coco, Coco,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: and then I have Chanel and I have Coco.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so cute. I mean, the baby, a little foot
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: was sticking out. They're adorable.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love them.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And even the armadillo, that little snout and the little nose, adorable.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, the animals you have here are just, and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, you can touch things that
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: normally you cannot, I think is what really sets you
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: guys apart. What do you think sets you guys apart
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: from everyone else?
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: I think it's just, I think the way we built
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: this place, the way that we've done the experiences and
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: the interactions and how my staff is with the guests,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I think that's what makes us unique. Yeah, I agree.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: And they see the animals that are intact and they
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: see the way the animals are taken care of. That's
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: what makes us unique.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Right. Do you have a lot of people that come back?
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes. And actually, I get a report now every
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: day on my settlements. I ask the question, they'll refer.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: And then my employees have to ask, like my booking
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: agents have to ask, where the guests are coming from.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Is it family-related, like word of mouth?
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Is it through Google? Is it through TripAdvisor? And that's
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: how we know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: And I keep track of that.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And do a lot of people come because they want
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to meet Limbani?
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: It was everybody that would come to meet Lombani.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Is Lombani on Cameo yet?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: We're working on that now. But, I mean, we've done, like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: he's done, like, the birthday through FaceTime. He's done that.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: The pillow throw, it's at a distance, maybe 25 feet
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: and more. Right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So he's an animal now that does not interact with.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Strangers. No, he cannot interact.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Explain that. Why does that happen?
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Why? Because after 50 pounds, you can either a feline
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: or a capuchin.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Now, felines, you cannot even. Oh, it's just the law.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily his personality.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: After 50 pounds, they consider that you can't be up
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: close and personal, like hugging. Even you? Yeah. I can.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I know I can do it. I can
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: touch anything. It's up to me.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: If they kill me.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Because I'm honestly, you know, but we have a
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: group of volunteers.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: And staff that can work with them.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Got it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Because they've been doing this for long and they're part
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: of our group.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So tell me about your podcast. It's a jungle out there.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple episodes. I think it's great.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Well, the reason I started this was because I wanted
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to share with the world and the audience that we
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: all have a story to say good or bad. We all,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: we learn from it and people can take certain, um,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: tips from them and learn. And, and sometimes you're drowning
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: in your own sorrow.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: And, and by, by communicating and talking and people seeing you,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: you're sharing that experience and you don't feel that, Oh
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: my God, I'm the only person here.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: And, um, that's why I started my podcast misunderstood, um,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: about people or topics. that have almost been reduced to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: a single headline in people's heads. And they should be
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: on a mission or have a platform to change that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: narrative because everyone deserves a second chance. Everyone can be
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: misunderstood at some point. I think that's a universal feeling.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And when you get a platform to be able to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: explain who you are, what you've been through, why you
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: made the choices that you've made, and show what you're
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: doing now, I think, you know, everyone deserves that if
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: they haven't gotten it yet.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And why I wanted, you know, to have you on
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: is because I think there are misconceptions about places like
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you have because even, you know... You know, groups like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: advocacy groups like PETA and things like that where they
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: say that they're out there to help animals, you know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: have given you guys a hard time. And that, I think,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: is confusing to the average person because then they just
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: assume that zoos or your place, there must be something
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: wrong with it because, you know, PETA doesn't like it.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: But that's not the end all be all. And I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: think you've done a great job of explaining why you
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: guys are so different. And why what you're doing is
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: helping the animals and you have your own advocacy for animals.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: And PETA is not going to like, and going into that,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: PETA is not going to like people that do what
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: we do.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Right? Because, why? Because them doing what they're doing, they're
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: making money. At the end of the day, it's about dollars.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: They're making a lot of money with people that are
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: ignorant or people that are innocent that don't know, are
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: clueless about... take care of animals or what we're doing,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: that actually we're saving them, we're helping them. And they
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: have this idea that it's not okay, it's taboo. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: they have the possibility of giving this money to a
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: 501c and they're actually writing it as a tax write-off
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: in their tax. So they're actually giving all kinds of
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: money to these people that they're fighting these crazy laws
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: about not having... animals in captivity or people like us
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: of what we do, that it gives us a bad reputation.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: It's not fair. You have to study each case individually.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I say that if a facility like ours is not
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: done correctly or treated animals, to close them. Yes, I
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: believe in that. I 100% believe in that. Don't mistreat animals.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: But if you're doing something good... Like what we're doing
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: and other people's out there. Why are you going to
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: do that? Why are you going to harm us?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Why? Because you're making money. Because at the end of
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: the day, that's what it is.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: So what would you say is the most misunderstood thing
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: about companies like yours or animals in captivity?
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Can you say that question again?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: What is most misunderstood about animals in captivity or what
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it is that you did?
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Well, they think animals in captivity is that you're going
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: to have them locked up in either small cages or
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: just being left abandoned and not treated, you know. But again,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: you have to come and you have to experience everything.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: So where, how can people get in touch with you guys?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: How can they make an appointment to come here?
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you can go to ZWFMiami.com. That's our website.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Our phone number is 309- 305-969-3696. Or you can actually
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: email info at ZWFMiami, and we'll get back to you.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And you guys are open all year round?
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: We're open all year round.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Okay. And we're open from 8, depending on if it's
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: summer hours, it's 8 to 6. If it's like winter now,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: we're open from 8 to 5.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And people can book? Parties here, birthdays, weddings.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: We do anything. We do Zoo to You.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: We do field trips in-house. We'll go to schools.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: We'll do any milestones off property or inside the property.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Every space here is available for rent. Even my house
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: is available if you need to use it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And do you have any sort of program where people
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: can sponsor an animal and be donating money to help
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you guys?
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Tell me about that. We have a package that we built.
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  Speaker 4: For people that actually want to adopt an animal or
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  Speaker 4: want to contribute, you can do that. You can buy
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  Speaker 4: a package of $ 4, 000 a year, and then you're able
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: to come 50 times. Oh, wow. And then you actually
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: every month you'll donate, like, I think it's about $ 800
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  Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 4: Because I know it used to be $ 500, but I
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: know we raised it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And do they get to pick the animal?
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: They get to pick the animal. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: They do, and they get to come here. They can
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: bring someone else with them.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: You know, we've done that. Because we don't want to
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  Speaker 4: just take your money. We want to give you that experience.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Of course. You're helping us, but we want to help you.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And explain what you're using that money for. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know I saw some new facilities being built when
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: we walked around.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is a never-ending story. I mean, we've
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: been here 23 years. And you're always constantly either repairing, fixing,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: or building.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: And this is ongoing.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: But you always need funds to continue.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: We always need the funds.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: The animals are getting bigger. You're getting new animals.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: And we're self-funded and everything is done through the sales
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: that we make. It goes back into the business.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: And now we want to make money to help you
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: get a hippo area. So donate.
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  Speaker 4: My all dream come true is actually to build a,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: like when I went to Africa, I fell in love
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  Speaker 4: with it. Like that experience where you actually, the animals
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: are running free in their space that they have. I mean.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: To have, like, a lot of land.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: A lot of land, and then you build, like, roads and, like,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: a safari where they go, you know, with the.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: And you see the animals roaming, but, you know.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Right. As we're doing that experience, it's going to be safe.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Because, number one, it's safe to go.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: For the guests and for the staff.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Out of curiosity, you know, you see some of these
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: videos of people who have raised tigers, are the ones
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I'm specifically referring to, and then they... send them out
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: in the wild, and then years later they come back
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and the tiger knows who they are. Is that true?
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Like, explain that to me.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you. I can attest to that because
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: I can tell you with Imbani. I got Imbani from
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: day four. And he doesn't like women. And he doesn't
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: get along with women. He loves men. Yeah, or, you know,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: or his auntie. He loves, you know, like, he... He
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: knows you because.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: He looks at your eyes.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And he knows. And animals are very smart. Animals
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: can tell if you really like them or not.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Right. But also, they say.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: They pick up on it.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: They say that some animals don't know the concept of time. No,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: they do. And their memory fades. But you're saying that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: animals will remember you.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: No, because I... The bunny, I got him from day four.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: I became a surrogate mom. And I can go there
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: any time. And I can talk to him and he'll
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: listen to me.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: And he gets on all with me. He sees me
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: as his mom.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: So when someone tells you no, no. I mean, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: then again, there's these cases that if you mistreat the animal,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, at one point that animal will turn on you.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: But if you give them love and attention and dedication, impossible.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: But that's like any animal. We were talking about this earlier.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Any animal.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It's a dog, a cat, any domestic animal.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: You have a dog and your dog can turn on you.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: You have a cat and the cat can turn on you. Right.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: If you mistreat it. Yeah.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: If you mistreat it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Right. Where can people find you on Instagram?
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: On Instagram, MariaZWFMiami, ZWFMiami, and LibaniZWFMiami.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And we'll also put that in all the links. So
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: if people want to reach out to you, if they
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: want to learn more about this place, if they want
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: to donate, if they want to contact you, we will
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: make sure that they can find you. So thank you
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. is listening to this that hasn't
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: been here yet, you should come. It's unbelievable. And, you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: you will enjoy it. It will be money worth, you know, spending.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 48:43
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• 49:03
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• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and I'll see you next time.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: for it?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: This exclusive place at Dad's.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: With.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: It's Dune DL.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Where?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Dune DL. There's an accent on the E.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Do you mean.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got it on Dune DL cars.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Lift? Please.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage. No.
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: Done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.