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Big Issues with Damian Hale and Dave Tollner · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: In the studio this morning for the big issues we've got.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Tolna, Good morning to you. Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be with you. Cadie.
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  Speaker 1: You turn your alarm off this morning. Let's see if
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  Speaker 1: it works. Damian Hale, good morning to you. Let me
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  Speaker 1: just make sure I've got your microphone on. Try it again.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning. Oh some people probably like it to stay off,
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  Speaker 3: but the morning. Good morning, Wolfe. How are you going?
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you both in this.
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  Speaker 4: Already on fire.
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  Speaker 1: For those listening wondering what Dave is talking about, I've
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  Speaker 1: got a bottle of gin out there from Willing Distillery
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  Speaker 1: that they bought him a few weeks ago when the
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  Speaker 1: distillery opened and Dave just had a quick drink.
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  Speaker 2: Well I saw it made him David Willing produces and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't ever known that he was a dog maker
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  Speaker 2: and had just had to have a quick taste.
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  Speaker 1: So I tell you what if you and if you're
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  Speaker 1: all thinking that Dave's you're not sure what's going to
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  Speaker 1: what he's going to say every week, well wait.
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  Speaker 4: Now let's see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to talk to you both again. Last
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  Speaker 1: week when you're on we talked quite extensively about the
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  Speaker 1: situation with the EYECAC report into the DAR and Turf Club. Now,
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  Speaker 1: just to keep you up to date, and I know
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  Speaker 1: that you probably both know what's going on anyway, but
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  Speaker 1: it is definitely an issue which is not going away.
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  Speaker 1: The opposition leader Leofanocchiaro was on the show yesterday and
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  Speaker 1: said that Michael Gunner has repeatedly stated that he's the
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  Speaker 1: chief of Sorry, he's the chair of Cabinet and takes responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: These words are hollow garbage. She says, he is not
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  Speaker 1: taking responsibility. He's hiding behind cabinet confidentiality to avoid taking
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for his dodgy deal. Now, she reckons that the
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  Speaker 1: government should just release the Treasury analysis, including the time
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  Speaker 1: and date that each department was given an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: provide comment on this cabinet submission and what their response was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is that something that needs to happen here
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  Speaker 1: or is that still something that could set a dangerous precedent.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it sets a dangerous precinct sort of
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  Speaker 2: releasing cabinet in confidence information. But I think that's not
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  Speaker 2: really what Lea Finocchiaro is chasing here. She's chasing treasury
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  Speaker 2: analysis and other stuff that's not necessarily cabinet in confidence.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why this is important is because Michael
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  Speaker 2: Gunner is sitting there saying there's nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 2: No government minister was found to have done anything wrong.
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  Speaker 2: IICAC have cleared us, which is not actually the case.
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  Speaker 2: The case is that, you know, Michael Gunn is saying that.
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  Speaker 2: But if you have a look at the IQAQ report
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  Speaker 2: on page eighty one, the Commissioner writes, there's no written
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  Speaker 2: record of the analysis of the submission by the anti
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  Speaker 2: government for two pm on that Thursday, which was before
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  Speaker 2: the cabinet meeting, it cannot be said that the grant
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  Speaker 2: was justified by any rigorous process within the government. Such
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  Speaker 2: a process could not be carried out, not the least
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  Speaker 2: because there was no submission on which it could be based.
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  Speaker 2: What occurred after two pm cannot be known by me,
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  Speaker 2: the subject of inquiry or comment by me, by reason
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  Speaker 2: of cabinet privilege. So that's basically what he said in
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  Speaker 2: his report. So it does make a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: mockery of Michael Gunner saying, oh, well, we've all been
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  Speaker 2: completely cleared anything, But what the Commissioner said he hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been able to investigate that. And you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: for a Blake who went to a couple of elections
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  Speaker 2: now on a platform of transparency and accountability, you think
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  Speaker 2: you'd be doing everything you can to show the literature
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  Speaker 2: that justifies your decision on a particular thing like this
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  Speaker 2: race course Greenstein. But you know, I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot more to come out on this card. Haven't scratched
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  Speaker 2: the service. There's a whole range of contracts and all
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  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff that haven't even been looked at.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it's going to be interesting to see
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  Speaker 2: what happens down the track.
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  Speaker 3: People will, well, people will draw their own conclusions about
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  Speaker 3: this sort of stuff and as well at.
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  Speaker 2: The moment they will, but there's a lack of information
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  Speaker 2: at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: But as we've said, and we've seen this before, and
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  Speaker 3: as I said last week, around the politics of committing
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  Speaker 3: money when it comes to.
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  Speaker 4: Electoral winning and being able to win elections.
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  Speaker 3: Often this isn't the only time that there's always a
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  Speaker 3: bit dusty around the Treasury analysis of whether or not
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  Speaker 3: it's a good bang for Buckford taxpayer. It's the ugly
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  Speaker 3: side of politics, if you like. As I said last week,
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  Speaker 3: so people will draw their own conclusion. Michael Gunner got
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  Speaker 3: re elected after this money had been given to the
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  Speaker 3: race club, and I remember at the time I was
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  Speaker 3: against it. I was quite against it because I thought that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I were coincided with the fact that health
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  Speaker 3: was under pressure, and I thought, twelve million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Other things that we need in the community for twelve million,
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  Speaker 3: and my view was that the race course should raise
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  Speaker 3: that money themselves and pay for that themselves.
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  Speaker 4: My position hasn't changed. Obviously, in a.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of weeks time, everyone will be patting each other
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  Speaker 3: on the back when the grand stands full of patrons.
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  Speaker 3: But at the time I think I was one that
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  Speaker 3: didn't fully agree with it. Michael got reelected anyway on that.
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  Speaker 3: Now this has come out, obviously the opposition will use
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  Speaker 3: this to discredit the government. I agree with Dave in
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  Speaker 3: regards to the cabinet side of it that when's that
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  Speaker 3: all come out twenty years time or thirty years time,
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  Speaker 3: thirty years time and governments in the past have always
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  Speaker 3: kept that confidentiality there. So people will draw their own
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  Speaker 3: conclusions whether or not the Chief Minister and the other
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  Speaker 3: ministers are implicated.
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  Speaker 2: In Well, I think, like I say, Haley, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot more to come out.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to come out in the next few weeks.
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  Speaker 2: A whole lot of people walking around on eggshells at
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  Speaker 2: the moment, wonder in which next card has about to
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  Speaker 2: be pulled out underneath?
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  Speaker 4: When's the because there is August.
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  Speaker 1: Nine, Let's just go to that next part of the story,
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  Speaker 1: because August nine is when that spill. So on Friday
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  Speaker 1: we found out that the Turf Club is going to
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  Speaker 1: spill the board on August nine. We know that there's
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  Speaker 1: an interim chair in place, but interestingly two board members
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  Speaker 1: remain on there. Mister Dale Baccino and mister Damian Moriarty
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  Speaker 1: are going to stay on the board. Mister O'Sullivan, so
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  Speaker 1: he's been put in as the acting chair said it
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  Speaker 1: was necessary to have a core functioning board leading into
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  Speaker 1: the August nine Special General Meeting and through the Darwin
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  Speaker 1: Turf Club carnival. Now my understanding is that mister Bachino
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  Speaker 1: wasn't on the board when the development process happened, but
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  Speaker 1: Damian Moriarty was. I actually asked the Racing Minister, Natasha
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  Speaker 1: Fhiles about this. This morning, and she said no, that
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  Speaker 1: her expectation is that they should all be standing down
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  Speaker 1: from that board, and that's you know that then they
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  Speaker 1: would look to whether indeed any legislation needed to be
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  Speaker 1: drafted or what needed to happen if that board didn't resign.
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  Speaker 1: But at this point, so what we're being told by
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  Speaker 1: the chair is that those two need to stay in
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  Speaker 1: there obviously to keep the function going, the core function going.
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  Speaker 3: They probably arecorum that they need to have to have
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  Speaker 3: board meetings and make decisions at this timing year. It's
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  Speaker 3: it's the timing couldn't be worse, could it, because it's
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  Speaker 3: the major carnival. People are coming up from down south,
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  Speaker 3: and the focus is going to be on the Darwin
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  Speaker 3: Cup and the race meetings that you know, we're pre
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  Speaker 3: Darwin Cup and to have this sort of hanging, this
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  Speaker 3: sort of stuff hanging over them. But I bet you know,
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  Speaker 3: without having read the constitution, I don't know the constitution
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  Speaker 3: of the board, but I did visage that they would
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  Speaker 3: need a number of board members to continue in this
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  Speaker 3: sort of circumstance. So bring on the meeting. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think I personally, you don't think it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: It's not as though these people will be making major
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  Speaker 3: decisions about racing in the Northern Territory over the next
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  Speaker 3: three weeks and the board meeting you the AGM will
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  Speaker 3: be held on the ninth of August, and I understand
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  Speaker 3: all positions will be spilled anyway, so I don't see
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  Speaker 3: it as a big issue. You probably need a corum
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  Speaker 3: to still make the day to day running of the organization,
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  Speaker 3: especially this time of year. It's busy, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that you know, the AGM can't come soon enough and
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  Speaker 3: hopefully racing can get some fresh air after this and
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  Speaker 3: some clear oxygen.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's got to be a whole, whole and
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  Speaker 2: total review of horse racing in the territory. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we tried to do it when we were in government.
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  Speaker 2: We were sort of held back on a range of areas.
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  Speaker 2: But in the recent events have just I think shone
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  Speaker 2: a lot of light on the entire industry in the
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  Speaker 2: territory and there needs to be a full, full scale
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  Speaker 2: inquiry with some recommendations on a way forward for horse
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  Speaker 2: racing in the territory. I mean, I mean any inquiry
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  Speaker 2: should look at things other than just a greenstein. When
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  Speaker 2: you look at the amount of money that taxpayers are
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  Speaker 2: shoveling into that organization that it makes your hair curl.
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  Speaker 2: You know, more money than the entire Department of Fisheries
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  Speaker 2: combined goes into horse racing in the territory. And you
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  Speaker 2: wonder how long that can go on.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of sports, we found out this morning that in
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  Speaker 1: light of the continuing uncertainty around the COVID pandemic, the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory governments announced that the Arafura Games are no
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  Speaker 1: longer going ahead. The Ara Games. I was trying not
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  Speaker 1: to smile there. I could sense that Dave was ready
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  Speaker 1: to laugh. The Arafura Games are a multi sport event
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  Speaker 1: that target international athletes, and yeah, so not going ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I had thought that maybe it was just for twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three, but no, the minister said earlier this morning
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  Speaker 1: that no, at this point they have been taken off
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  Speaker 1: the cards altogether.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's pretty surprise, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, Dave and I could probably compete and win something
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  Speaker 3: if there's no other no other competitors, so it's not
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  Speaker 3: a surprise that.
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  Speaker 4: Starting competitions.
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  Speaker 3: And I can report that Dave did have a little
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  Speaker 3: smile because we know, we know what Dave's view is
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  Speaker 3: on the ARA few of games, it was made very tons.
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  Speaker 4: Of the Northern Territory. They showed their hand.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little thing. I mean at the time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we were all of the people in the
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  Speaker 2: Parliament at the time. We're advised to go around ring
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  Speaker 2: the ring the administrators of all these sports to gauge
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  Speaker 2: their support for the air A fewer games. And I
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  Speaker 2: remember making the point, I said, we're asking the wrong people.
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  Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean. I said, well, you
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  Speaker 2: ring up the administrators of any sport and you say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think if we can to the ARA
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  Speaker 2: few of games, They're all going to clap their hands
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  Speaker 2: together and say, oh you beauty, because it's to night
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  Speaker 2: mere organizing these things. If you're a sports administrator. But
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  Speaker 2: go and ask the players, go and ask the volunteers,
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  Speaker 2: go and ask the people who intend to go and
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  Speaker 2: spectate what they think about it. You get a surprisingly
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  Speaker 2: different answer. There was a lot of love for the
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  Speaker 2: Er A fewer games. And you know, we were certainly
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  Speaker 2: in budget saving made and I was probably more so
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  Speaker 2: than anybody else. But there are some things that are
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  Speaker 2: pretty iconic in the territory and I think the ARA
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  Speaker 2: Fewer Games was one and it probably needed reform rather
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  Speaker 2: than cancelation.
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  Speaker 4: In hindsight, Well least buddy eight years too late. He
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  Speaker 4: should have said something at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing, you have to understand the participants
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  Speaker 2: in the air A fewer games. There was only a
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  Speaker 2: fraction of what there was originally. You know, it was
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  Speaker 2: such a big event when it first came about in
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, and what it's become is a it
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  Speaker 2: is a shadow of its former glory. Meanwhile, the costs
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  Speaker 2: of it went through the roof, and in fairness, you're
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  Speaker 2: not getting much value for the dollar that you put
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  Speaker 2: in as a government. So it wasn't a hard argument
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  Speaker 2: to win to say, look, let's look at getting rid
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  Speaker 2: of this and starting other things. And you know, since then,
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  Speaker 2: we've had the Red Sin and NATS. There's a whole
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  Speaker 2: range of things that have that have come into replace.
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  Speaker 4: I love the Northern engagement. You know, with the Northern.
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  Speaker 2: Those people weren't coming the way they used to. It
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  Speaker 2: had fallen away somewhat.
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  Speaker 4: But when you're cutting mode like the U c.
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  Speaker 3: LP government, where it was an easy one to get
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  Speaker 3: rid of.
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  Speaker 2: The last government and the territory and that was interested
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  Speaker 2: in the we.
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  Speaker 4: Do spend a lot.
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  Speaker 1: We did. There is obviously a lot of investment when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to sport in the Northern Territory. There's no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about that, whether you talk about you know, AFL
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  Speaker 1: games or NRL games being played here and talk about
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  Speaker 1: the benefits of those types of things happening. And I
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  Speaker 1: do think that the Arafura Games presents something entirely different
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that it gives young people in the
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  Speaker 1: territory as well the opportunity to participate and to be
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  Speaker 1: part of something that, as you said, Dave, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in those early days is very special. I wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't live in the territory in those days, but
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  Speaker 1: some of us used to come across from Mount Isa
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  Speaker 1: for it and it was something that was that was
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  Speaker 1: really exciting, really good to be part of.
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  Speaker 2: And also from the first one.
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  Speaker 3: So it's probably a three tier down from from the
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  Speaker 3: Commonwealth and Olympic Games, so quite on.
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  Speaker 4: The same level, but it was a little bit a
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  Speaker 4: little bit down there.
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  Speaker 3: And Dave was right like the public service hated organizing
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  Speaker 3: it and the sports administrators found it hard to organize.
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  Speaker 3: But the athletes loved it, the public loved it, and
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  Speaker 3: the volunteers. Mum and dad were volunteers for years and
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  Speaker 3: they really liked it. And so it's one of those
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  Speaker 3: ones that unfortunately is for one by the wayside.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the changing world.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to ask a question about the Masters Games
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  Speaker 2: in our springs. I mean, it's a good question because
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Master's Game similar thing. When it came about,
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  Speaker 2: it was one of but now they got up Masters
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  Speaker 2: Games at the same time in Adelaide and the Gold Coast,
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  Speaker 2: and consequently there's a lot of people who would go
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  Speaker 2: to our Master's going you know, our long terms, who
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  Speaker 2: sit there and go, oh, well, this year, let's go
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  Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast and check it out over there,
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  Speaker 2: and the consequences. There's a lot of competition for the
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  Speaker 2: Masters Games now and the numbers that we see coming
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  Speaker 2: to the territory for the territory Masters Games have really
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  Speaker 2: dropped off. And you know, I'm not suggesting we cancel
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  Speaker 2: it yet, but I got a few from the masters.
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  Speaker 3: It's an economic decision, isn't it? The governments after the
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  Speaker 3: Masters Games, because why wouldn't you if you're the Queen's
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  Speaker 3: Land government, you try to get a bunch of people
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  Speaker 3: over forty.
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  Speaker 4: Five got to go.
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  Speaker 1: We're got to think about marketing ourselves slightly differently as well, though,
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  Speaker 1: where you market yourself to, like North Queensland and Regional
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  Speaker 1: Queensland and places like that where it's a bit more
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  Speaker 1: accessible to get to us.
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  Speaker 2: These scenes, I think, Katie, should you know they should
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  Speaker 2: never be locked in forever. You've got to constantly review things,
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  Speaker 2: reform things. Sometimes sports just need a little twitch here
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  Speaker 2: and there. Other times you got to sit there and say, listen,
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  Speaker 2: let's just stop throwing good money after bad bite the bullet,
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  Speaker 2: take the bit of pain that you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: publicly and move on to something bigger and better.
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  Speaker 4: Or the blue rents games.
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  Speaker 3: The amount of Southern the amount of We.
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  Speaker 4: Could have.
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  Speaker 2: Slid down the track last week and it was a
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  Speaker 2: bloody nightmare. These caravans all along the track.
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  Speaker 4: And I drove to Casarini yesterday and it was a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we were going to have a swim at Materanka
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  Speaker 2: Hot Spring to busy did we drive in there? And
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  Speaker 2: it's just choker. I've never seen so many caravans. They've
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: got an airstrip next to the hot Spring Sea. That
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: whole entire airstrip near is full of caravan.
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  Speaker 4: Here you go more population.
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  Speaker 2: Labor. Governments down sea after are driving their population out.
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  Speaker 2: Theil beauty of it is they're all coming to the territory.
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  Speaker 4: Governments.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I do want to just take across to this
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  Speaker 1: story that's been bubbling along for the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: We know that the n r L here and the
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: territory is investigating. Apparently senior n r L n T
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: games between the Palmerston Raiders and Northern Sharks had to
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  Speaker 1: be postponed no this week while the sporting body investigates
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: a potential breach of COVID restrictions. So the NT News
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: understands that one or both of the clubs involved allegedly
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: breached restrictions by holding team training before those restrictions were lifted.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: We caught up with Nigel Roy yesterday, the general manager
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  Speaker 1: of NRL enter and he said that there is an
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  Speaker 1: investigation underway that they're hoping really to have the I
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  Speaker 1: guess the outcome of that within the next couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it should the NRL have maybe just held
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  Speaker 1: off another weekend in terms of playing, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is again, but he's a coach.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not a coach at all. I've got no official
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  Speaker 4: role within on the coach of the NT team.
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  Speaker 2: But distance himself from the rest of us held off then.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the NRL NT is a leading organization and I
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  Speaker 3: think at times like this you want your association's leading
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  Speaker 3: peak body to lead. And my understanding is.
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  Speaker 4: That the directive it was a directive.
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  Speaker 3: Not to train, and that the club in question is
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  Speaker 3: when they found out that they'd breached. It's a code
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  Speaker 3: of conduct breach. It hasn't been given a COVID breach.
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  Speaker 3: It's a code of conduct not following a directive from
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  Speaker 3: the league. And they are upfront and honest and transparent
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  Speaker 3: in all all aspects of the investigation, so that ongoing
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  Speaker 3: and then there'll be there will be a penalty. There
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: has to be a penalty given out because the associated
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: clubs are affiliated clubs to the league need to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that they're leading in the community. And Palmerston, if
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  Speaker 3: it is Palmerston or the Sharks, the Palmerston Rugby League
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  Speaker 3: club has gone from the least amount of registrations three
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  Speaker 3: years ago to the most.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a lot.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people involved with the club, and
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  Speaker 3: the responsibility on all these clubs is to follow the
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: directive of their association, and in this case there's been
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a mistake made.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: From what Nigel has said that the club's.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Been very accountable and upfront and honest, and I'd encourage
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  Speaker 3: all clubs across the Northern Territory to be honest with
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  Speaker 3: this stuff, and the same as we're expected to be
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: honest if you're given a phone call and said were
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: you at this premise or did you have contact with
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: that person? Yeah, it's an unprecedented time around the pandemic
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: and around COVID and now the new Delta strained that
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: it's adherent on everyone just to be upfront and honest.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: And I think from what.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I've heard, the clubs are communicating and they're working with
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the league in a transparent and accountable manner, and the
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: league will ultimately make their decision. But I would expect
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: that if you've broken the rules, you were likely to
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: be sanctioned and panalized for it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Katie, I listened to all that. Haley is always,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: as usual the voice of reason. You said it right,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: you know we're on this show. The big issues I
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: got a breaking piece of news for you. Oh what
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is that? One of Haley's number one supporters, the bloke
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: who's kept Australia safe from coronavirus, is flying in from
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: New York to the territory in August the seventh, and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: you're saying.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: August twenty one, this is the human headline one.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd.
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  Speaker 4: He's coming to Kevin.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Rudd, He's coming to the territory. I understand he's coming
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: visit Harley.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: He will be visiting me.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: No, he wants me to go and visit keV with him.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gobsmacked. I I'm so honored at the thought of
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: catching up with v. Well, you know, you know this
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: week he saved Australia by his intervention with the fires
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of Company. Did I understand the understand Well, he's the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: brains behind the fires A vaccine. Of course, he was
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the one that gave them the idea on how to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: develop their products. So of course they're going.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Coming to the first of August for the faithful. This
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: is for the faithful. I'm trying to get Dave Ton
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: or a ticket, but I'm going to know whether it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: from the twenty first of August. K is a guest
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: at the twentieth anniversary of the First Labor.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Government's up here against clamor and led Labor to victory
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: twenty years ago. So you can get your tickets. Get
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: your tickets through the Labor Party.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Did you organize that visit?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I would. I get on very well with Kevin.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: But Dave Tom looking fifty.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: So if there's anyone out there that's got a spare
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: ticket to one of the comrades of if they've got
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: a ticket that they can give to Dave.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Tellstand he's about to be beatified. He'll be Kevin soon.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Listeners for our listeners, this is a joke. He's really
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: going to be here, will be here.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: A guest told you, Katie coming here with big issues,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: big issue.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I don't how many tickets. I don't know how many to.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Talk about, Cavid, Well, let's talk Cave.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: How many tickets are still available?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: But to the faithful of the Labor Party, faithful if
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: you want to go along that night celebrate the twentieth
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: anniversary of the first Labor Government.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: All the elected members will be there.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: But wants to me there, I don't.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Know to let you into a Labor Party.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Some of the locals here are very they're very small.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Mind of the labor people up.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I've heard that, and all the ministers of this guy, we've.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Heard it here first coming to the territory New York, but.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Spending some time out in.
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  Speaker 2: The Only question is I want to know is he
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: going to bring Barry with him or leave Barry back
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: in the States. I mean, it would add to the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: labor party function here if he brought Barry along.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: But who's Barry?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: He's made Barry? You know Barry Obama.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Was a mischief maker to day.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think Julia will get.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: In before we went on, I recognize will get a
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: right straight after that.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: But Julia tried to get I'll tell you what if guy,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: if he gets Barry here with him that you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: those two they got some potentially make some.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Real between me and between me and Ruddy. We should
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: be able to keep the crowd entertained. We are gonna
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: have to wrap up. You're kidding me.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: We wanted to dig diaper on coronavalres some camps surlaving
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Australia to.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Catch up with both of you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for the big
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