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Capítulo 070: The Making of Hermosa with Yesika Salgado · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: Radio. Loco Radio Radio Commies a Myth and Bullshit, a
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  Speaker 1: We're doing a big show at the l A Public Library,
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  Speaker 1: The title of our show September nineteen is Musica, and
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  Speaker 1: there all right, So we want to check in. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a fast summer but a long summer at the
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  Speaker 1: same time. Um, So we just want to check in
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  Speaker 1: see how we're doing. For those that follow Mala, you
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  Speaker 1: saw that she was living her best life in Uropa.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing some stuff out here in l A.
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  Speaker 1: So we just want to check in and you know,
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  Speaker 1: just share how our summer has been. Yeah, it's been.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a mixed summer. It's a little hot
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  Speaker 1: girl summer, a little sad girl summer, little mad girl summer,
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  Speaker 1: all of the summers, all the summers. How's your summer been.
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  Speaker 1: My summer has been. Um, this year has not felt
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  Speaker 1: like summer. Um. I think when you work a nine
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  Speaker 1: to five, damn, you go out and yes, yes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just too late to do anything. It's it's a scam.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, capitalism works that way where it's like
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  Speaker 1: all right, it's the days over and then you have
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  Speaker 1: to go home and prepare for the next day already.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really confusing. So the summer has not felt
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  Speaker 1: like summer for me, but I have enjoyed little previews
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  Speaker 1: of it, little teasers of it. Um. We had a
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  Speaker 1: really amazing pool party for our friend Mariita that she
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  Speaker 1: just moved to New York. And actually, UM, I spent
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time with her while you're away before
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  Speaker 1: she moved. Um we had dinner a couple of times,
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  Speaker 1: we had drinks a couple of times. I took her
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  Speaker 1: to the l Leaf opening night. So I did a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff with Manita before she left. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: like really happy that we got to like have some
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  Speaker 1: quality time as home girls, you know. So that was
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  Speaker 1: really sweet. Um. And then I did the lalaf Live
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  Speaker 1: podcast with AA and so that audio will be released
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  Speaker 1: pretty soon in the next couple of weeks. But that
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  Speaker 1: was really great. And UM, I was just really taking
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  Speaker 1: care of myself while you were away, passing on the
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  Speaker 1: physical health and the mental health. UM. I started taking
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  Speaker 1: yoga and I'm really into it. I did a full
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  Speaker 1: moon meditation. UM. I spent a lot of time with
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  Speaker 1: my family, who I was telling Mala. I went to
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  Speaker 1: a family party, and the first thing Primo said to
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  Speaker 1: me was like, oh you remember you have cousins. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, the shade. I was like, can you not
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  Speaker 1: because this makes me not want to come around you sure,
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  Speaker 1: just calling you out for I'm like, the shame does
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  Speaker 1: not work on me. Okay, I will just stop coming
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  Speaker 1: right But anyway, Um, so summer has been cute in
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  Speaker 1: that way. I've got to spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: with family and friends, um, and just you know, trying
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy what's left. Summer is not over, it's not
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  Speaker 1: it's not over where. We just entered Virgo season, and
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  Speaker 1: that just means that we're closer to Libra season, which
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  Speaker 1: means we're closer to my birthday, which also means we're
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  Speaker 1: closer to Halloween, my favorite time of the year. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm been good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Um, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't felt like summer, and I feel like we're
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  Speaker 1: not the only ones that have sensed that. I think
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  Speaker 1: it really is just we're all getting older, so like
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  Speaker 1: the play, summer has a different place in our lives
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  Speaker 1: in one way or another. Get to play as much. No,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't been, and so much of adulthood is like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: now I get to sit inside of this room all
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  Speaker 1: day and not be outside. It's really fucking terrible. So
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  Speaker 1: this summer, UM, I did a little bit of teaching.
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  Speaker 1: I taught some summer school, and it was so funny
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  Speaker 1: because I was teaching. I usually teach girls during the
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  Speaker 1: school year because I work at a girls school, but
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  Speaker 1: this summer I was teaching middle school boys fifth, six
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  Speaker 1: and seventh, and eighth and so my favorite memory from
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  Speaker 1: teaching summer school with these boys, um, I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to them about consent, and so I asked them, the
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  Speaker 1: fifth and sixth graders, what is consent in your own words?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that word? What does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: And this little Filipino boy immediately raises his hand and says,
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  Speaker 1: with no hesitation, he goes, well, consent means that if
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  Speaker 1: you want to slap a girl's ass, she has to
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  Speaker 1: give you permission first. And I was like a little
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  Speaker 1: taken aback, But at the same time, he's correct, it's right,
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  Speaker 1: he's correct, and you know he's going in the right direction.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just really funny, like affirming the knowledge they
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  Speaker 1: already have and just kind of adding to the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Kids know, kids know what consent is, Yes, they do
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  Speaker 1: something happens as they get older, and the conversations that
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  Speaker 1: developed further, and then we're in the mess that we're
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  Speaker 1: in now with you know, patriarchy and grape culture. It's
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  Speaker 1: weird because I think when like um, little by little boys,
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  Speaker 1: when they do stuff that they shouldn't, it's almost like
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  Speaker 1: parents are adults. I think it's cute, and I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is what reinforces the behavior. And then this it's learned.
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  Speaker 1: And then you learned that it's okay and it's acceptable
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  Speaker 1: and it's cute and it's funny. It's like positive reinforcement
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  Speaker 1: for the wrong thing the negative. Yeah, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, So that's amazing. It was amazing. I
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  Speaker 1: was actually very proud of him. I'm like, yes, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Do not touch girls without their permission. We're doing good.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing good. So that was summer school and then
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  Speaker 1: me and my sister and my friend Melissa and her
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  Speaker 1: sister Lauren, the four of us, we went on a
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  Speaker 1: trip for sixteen days. So we went to Spain. UM,
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  Speaker 1: we went to Morocco, we went to Portugal, had a
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  Speaker 1: fabulous time. UM. I saw a lot of architecture, did
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  Speaker 1: lots of tours. I think Morocco by far for me
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  Speaker 1: and my sister. Anyways, Morocco was our favorite stop, our
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  Speaker 1: favorite location. The food was delicious. Um. We were in Fez,
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  Speaker 1: which which is considered a medieval city, and we just
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  Speaker 1: saw all the beautiful mosques and the chronic schools and
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  Speaker 1: just gorgeous, like twelfth century architecture, their ceramics, their tilework,
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  Speaker 1: their metalwork, their leather work. Everything is just like amazing
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  Speaker 1: and so intricate. And it was funny because we were
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  Speaker 1: like walking through this market in Fez and some random
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  Speaker 1: guy just shouts at us, Obama was better, Like he
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  Speaker 1: knew that we were Americans. That's funny. Obama was better.
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  Speaker 1: So they stand Obama. And then the other funny thing
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  Speaker 1: that happened that I thought was intry, saying that I
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  Speaker 1: shared with yours already. So all four of us that went,
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  Speaker 1: we identify the four of us as Mexican, American or Chicana.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're there in Morocco and like people would
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  Speaker 1: ask us, where are you from? So we would tell them, oh, California,
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  Speaker 1: l A. But then they would stop us and say,
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  Speaker 1: you look Mexican in the face. Like it happened multiple
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  Speaker 1: times over and over, and it was very like pleasantly
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  Speaker 1: surprising for me that they had that kind of specific
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of like who we could be or where we
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  Speaker 1: could be from m So that happened like four or
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  Speaker 1: five times while in Morocco did not happen in Spain
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  Speaker 1: or Portugal. I just don't think that they care about
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  Speaker 1: people or where they're from. I think they're tied. They are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, over there. They're like in America in many ways,
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  Speaker 1: they have their own version of like make Spain great
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  Speaker 1: again and make Portugal great again, like they don't want
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  Speaker 1: immigrants in their communities either, although they're like colonizers. And
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: it was just so funny too because in Portugal, like
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  Speaker 1: we were doing these tours and the Portuguese guides would
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  Speaker 1: share these things with us, oh you know, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: we discovered we discovered Brazil ill, and we discovered India, this,
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  Speaker 1: that and the other, and then we found some gold
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  Speaker 1: and then we brought it over and now we have
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  Speaker 1: these pretty palaces. But they never make mention of slavery,
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  Speaker 1: they never make mention of colonialism. It's all discovery, which
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: was hilarious, um, and very annoying. Of course, so white people,
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  Speaker 1: white white people in everywhere, right right, and then of
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  Speaker 1: course in the kitchens over there in Spain and Portugal,
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  Speaker 1: who was cooking brown immigrant people? Of course, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so it was some wild ship. But I'm back, I'm tan,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to be podcasting again, and yeah, here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you look amazing. I loved following your travels while
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: you were abroad and like seeing what you were you
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  Speaker 1: were doing and what you were getting up to in
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: the outfits and the pictures all of it. Yes, it
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  Speaker 1: was cute times in the past, I would I was
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: doing like an international trip once a year. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere last year. Um, so it was nice to
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  Speaker 1: get out of the country. And oh my god, like
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  Speaker 1: towards the end, we were asking ourselves should we even
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  Speaker 1: go back to the States, should we catch this flight?
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  Speaker 1: There were like three mass shootings, like the first weekend
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  Speaker 1: we were gone. It was awful. It's been awful. It's
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  Speaker 1: been rough here. I think that that's like kind of
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: been the collective energy. It's just like, what the funk
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  Speaker 1: are we doing here? And yeah, it's just been a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I think even the past the past couple of days,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Amazon was set on fire and I
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  Speaker 1: have been like really distraught. I like have been to
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  Speaker 1: the Amazon. I like spent a couple of days there.
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  Speaker 1: I it was just it was just a lot. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a lot, so just thinking about like how what
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  Speaker 1: we can do and like how we can you know,
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  Speaker 1: not just you know be passively, uh receiving this information
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  Speaker 1: and then like feeling distraught, but then the Lord's the action,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying to think more of action oriented. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So that's been on my mind the past couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: It's just been We're like at the end of times.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like it's wild. And I've kind of been
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this notion of apocalypse in my head and
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  Speaker 1: kind of turning it over in my head, and I
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  Speaker 1: almost sort of feel like a true like it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like the desire for an all out apocalypse to just
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  Speaker 1: wipe everything out and end it is like that's almost
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  Speaker 1: like the idealized apocalypse. That's almost the positive apocalypse. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like take this pain from us, end it, don't
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  Speaker 1: make us experience this anymore. But I think that I'm
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  Speaker 1: coming to this sort of I'm coming to terms with
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  Speaker 1: this notion that apocalypse is actually just a never ending
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  Speaker 1: series of smaller apocalypses, Like it just never ends, but
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  Speaker 1: it's always like we're always on the precipice of disaster
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  Speaker 1: and chaos and then and then we think it's over,
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  Speaker 1: but then there's more. So it's almost for me, the
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  Speaker 1: continuing to survive is worse than just letting it all
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  Speaker 1: burn in flames and be done. Yeah. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's also like the plight of capitalism, right, Like, because
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  Speaker 1: we live in a capitalistic society, you can't you really
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  Speaker 1: do have to keep going even though you don't want to,
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  Speaker 1: Like you really have to unless there's like a full
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  Speaker 1: on revolution and we overthrow government, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just you really like are forced to keep
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  Speaker 1: going because you have to go clock in because your
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: bills don't stop. My my boss was telling me um
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  Speaker 1: recently that she, you know, in in the event of
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  Speaker 1: a disaster, that she has like one months of one
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  Speaker 1: month of salary like saved somewhere like hidden, um, because
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: she was like, even if there's a disaster, your bills
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  Speaker 1: are going to keep being build. You know, you still
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: have to pay your mortgage. You still have to pay
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: whatever kind of bills that you have. So it's like
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: that's what really inhibits us from rising up. It's true,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: you know, it's truism is a scam. And then you know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time online and then we
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: hear these like wild stories about how activists end up
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: dying in destitution and poverty and how who was it
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  Speaker 1: the owner of Little Caesar's was paying Rosa Parks rent
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  Speaker 1: until the day she died. She was impoverished, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and she's rose apart or even like um, folks that
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: were heavily involved as activists during the Ferguson you know,
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  Speaker 1: uprising and then have mysteriously died. You know that that's
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  Speaker 1: not coincidental. Um. So it's just you know, you you
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  Speaker 1: look at all the cards that are laid out and
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard to feel optimistic. But I think that
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  Speaker 1: this is a good time, you know, to lean in
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  Speaker 1: to what people are already doing. Like there are already
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  Speaker 1: people that are mobilizing and are doing groundwork. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, don't don't reinvent the wheel, like see what's
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  Speaker 1: out there. Align yourself with what feels right to you,
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  Speaker 1: and like see how you can be a part of
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  Speaker 1: what someone else is already doing, right, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, instead of starting from this, from this, from
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  Speaker 1: from zero, right, because people have been in resistance for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. Communities have been in resistance for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. Like, none of this is new, unfortunately, you know,
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  Speaker 1: going back to the idea of just constant chaos. None
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  Speaker 1: of this is new. Um. I mean people have lived
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  Speaker 1: in something sucked up ship, you know, throughout the centuries,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just it's just new versions of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know right. It's like, I mean, this is like trite,
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  Speaker 1: but like history does repeat itself, you know, and that's
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing that literally play out right now. Um. Someone
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: was asking me recently, They're like, oh, have you watched
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the Hands Made Handmaids Tale, hand handmaid Sales Handmaids Handmaids Tale. No,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what we're living right now. Like you
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: want me to watch that for fun for pleasure? No,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: absolutely not. That's what's happening currently. That show is horrific.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I definitely started watching it specifically to torture myself. I
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what I would like to feel
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: like ship right now? That kind of like pain escapism
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: is real. It's real. I'll watch Handmaid's Tale and feel
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like absolute garbage, and then I'll feel better afterwards. However
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that works UM a little self flagellation. But anyways, so
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: it's been wild, but we continue to do fun things
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to lift the spirits, lift the community. We find solace
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: in art. I think that that's why, like we do
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: our best, and I think this is good to point out,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: like we do our best to not be a podcast
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: that keeps up with the news cycle. And I We've
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: said this before, UM, but for any news new listeners, Like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: if we ever don't talk about current happenings in the world,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: it's not because we're not interested, were uninformed, or we
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: don't care. It's that there's so many other platforms that
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: are doing that already, and we want you to tune
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: in and feel like empowered and walk away like with
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: a different type of knowledge, you know, not necessarily something
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that you can turn on the TV and see UM
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: or here. So I think that that is why we
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: do our best. Sometimes we have to bring stuff in.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: You know, we are going to talk about things that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: are current, currently happening in society or in the news cycle. UM.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But I mean another form of escapism is like listening
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to the cool ship that women are doing around the world,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you know. And that's what we tried. That's what we
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: want this podcast to be. Yeah, at the end of
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the day, our mission statement is about archiving the legacies
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and the brilliance women of color, you know. So I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the news cycle, a lot
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of current events ends up being like what did this
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: white man do today? What does this white politician do today?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You know? Um, And that's not what our focuses. Our
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: focus is on what women in thems of color are
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: up to and how are we innovating. So that's why
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: we talk about what we talk about. However, there is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: a recent occurrence that happened here in l A last
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: night at a local spot that we used to frequent
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: all the time. And UM, do you want to tell
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: our listeners what happened? Yeah, So we saw this video
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: circulating on the internet and on Instagram specifically, and it's
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: pretty awful. Um Fantanas you need us the Instagram that's
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: their handle. UM shared this video of a multiple women,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: multiple trans women, being physically um escorted out of less.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: That's not even the right word like violently dragged, physical
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: force being used upon them, you know whatever, whatever may
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: have happened, there's no excuse for any type of violence
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: against people, against women, against trans women UM. And I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: think it's also important to point out that this week
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in in l A, there is an annual downtown l
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: A Detail A Proud event and the women or the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: folks that were there last night LASS were like coming
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: from like an opening night for Detail A Proud and
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: then decided to go to to have fun, to have
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: drinks to whatever, UM and then they're not escalated to violence,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: right And you know, UM is not latin X owned.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: There's like an event, there's like an events company, a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: venue company that owns multiple downtown l A venues, bars,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you know what, and a lot of these locations like
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: La Rambar. There's others that have like Latin X themes
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: or Mexican themes to the name AIM and to the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: decorations and the decor inside UM, but they're not Latino
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: X owned. We used to frequent Last bed Last all
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the time. We haven't really been going as much. Like
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of people know and probably have noticed if
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you're from l A, Last Last has changed a lot.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: We used to joke that it's like, oh, it's a
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: chipster bar and whatever, but it's a lot wider than
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it used to be. It's not the same sense of community,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and the staff has changed. Before it was um men
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of color working the bar, folks of color working the bar,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: even like a little signor working the bar like that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: would help us out when we were there. And yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it's definitely the culture there has changed for the worst.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, you know, we just want to send
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: solidarity to the folks that are organizing behind a rally.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: By the time that you hear this episode, the rally
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: will have already passed, so I don't think there's any
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: sense in plugging that right now, but we do want
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to express some type of solidarity for Bianstad l A
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and Frantanado's uned US. You can check out their handles. Um,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: if you're from l A, don't support less battles, don't go.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Don't go it's not latin X owned. Find the latin
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: X owned bars that are here in l A. We
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: know what's really difficult, especially with nightlife. Chelas is a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: place baron Boyle Heights East. I love those are both
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: latin X owned yeah. Actually, and this is like now
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a project I think to look into the spots that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: we go to who owns them? We already know that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: probably a majority of venues are owned by white men,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: just the two of us, like looking into venues for
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: our events, for look at events, it's like we always
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: end up talking to white men that all the venues
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: are owned and run managed operated by white men. So
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it's wild because people of color um really populate the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: nightlife out here, Like there would be no nightlife without
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: people of color, without Latin X and black folks specifically.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But then who owns the venues and who do we
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: have to talk to about having our parties they and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: how does that impact our safety and the experience that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: we're having exactly? Yeah, I mean, and it's it's also
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: good to think about the collectives that are doing the work,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: like collective Na Junta, l a um, those folks that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: are that are putting on the parties. Yes, um, the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Soup Silo Crew, Laggers, Laggers, there's a lot of there's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of us right now to lead the Vinyl Club,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: like organizing the spaces in the events. But just you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's important to be cognizzant of of the venues
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: as well. For instance, last speed Las is wide owned
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and if you've been there, like it's a it's a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: mescal bar. So there's like glas everywhere. There's a lot
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: of um ladoras everywhere. You know, it's definitely playing on
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: like the esthetics of Mexican culture, but it's kitschy Um
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and it's not land x Owe. So just to think
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: about that. So, yeah, once again we want to send solidarity. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So that's that's our that's our current event. L A
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: current event that we definitely wanted to talk about here today. Yes,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and if there's anything coming up in the next couple
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of weeks, in the next week when this episode is out,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in regards to any actions that are happening here in
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: l A, we will definitely put you onto them. We
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: will share them on the fate on the Instagram. UM
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: protect trans women. Yes, especially if you're a bystander women
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: tell your boyfriend to do something step in this is
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like you have to leverage your privilege in these moments,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: because there was there was hint there there in this video.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: There's hint at that bar standing around watching plenty plenty
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of hint there, and I don't see anybody stepping in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: or doing or saying anything, which is very disappointing. It's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: not the first time we've seen something like this. UM.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly when this was, but maybe it
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: was like six months ago. A video circulated on Twitter.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: There were these two Mohendes Latina mohend Is downtown l
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: A on Springs Street, right. They were defending a street
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: vendor because some humongous man was being super verbally abusive
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to the street vendor, and so these two moheaders told
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: him like to stop, to leave him alone, and this
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: man punched them out, both of these women in the face,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and there were a bunch of bystanders, and not one
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: person came forward to say anything to him. He jogged away.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Nobody even tried to stop him. These women were laid
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: out on the floor, and no one even approached them
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to ask them if they were okay, to call the police,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to call an ambulance. Nothing. So, I mean, bystander intervention
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: is not a thing, especially when the bystanders are predominantly men.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: They don't come forward to defend women inutiles, cowards, spineless.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I only have negative words for y'all. You know, it's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: some fucked up shit. This is why we're all about
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: like moheadas and solidarity because when it comes down to it,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like we're really all that we can depend on. Absolutely. Yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So davidgeless vigilance, stay on your toes, protect each other,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: keep each other safe. You know, it's it's rough out
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: here here. But we want to switch switch it, switch
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: gears a little bit to something a little bit lighter. Um.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I think it got a little intense right now for
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: up for both of us. But you know, we haven't
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: chatted with you all in a while, and there's lots
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of things we need to share, um, But we want
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to switch it to something a little bit lighter. So
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I never have anything to say for this segment because
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I purposely well and not purposely also, you know, just
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: by situationally and never around white women hardly ever, So
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we have a weird things white women did this week,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: brought to us by Mala. Yeah, because on the flip side,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time around white women, really do.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, just by the fact of my life
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: right now, you know, and there are some cool white
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: ladies out there, um, in the world you know, chilling.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: We have our favorite white ladies, but overwhelmingly there are
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: some weird interactions that happened when white women are in
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the room. So, you know, I'm remember at the Wing,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and uh, the Wing has come under some controversy lately
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: for not being a safe space for black women, and um,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of very much needed and valid
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: critique of the Wing. And so here, Um, I'm a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: member of the Wing West Hollywood, and I was sitting
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: with my friend Shria, who is my friend from college,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and she was down in l A visiting because she
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: was going to the Girl Boss rally. So me and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Shria and Sria is Indian South Asian, and so we're
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: there at the Wing hanging out and this white woman
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: comes and sits directly behind us. And then this lady
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: like stops our conversation and says, Oh, I don't want
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to interrupt you. I don't want to be rude, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that I'm about
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to take a call and I'm gonna be loud. There
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: were other seats open and available, like it was not
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: she she was going to move. So she interrupts us
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to tell us that she doesn't mean to interrupt us,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and then starts talking about herself and everything that she does,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and she starts listing off her resume. She's a producer,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: she's this, she's that, she's this, she's that and the other.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I already don't believe you because that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: too many jobs. I don't buy it. And then she
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: starts to tell us about how, you know, um, she
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: may look like a white lady, but she's like so
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: like into culture and she's so involved in different cultural communities.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: She didn't actually negate the fact that she's white. She
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: never said I may look white, but I'm actually this. No,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: she just said I may look white, but I'm super
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: into culture and I'm super into like traveling, this, that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and the other. And then she goes so alreadie. Me
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and Tria are like looking at each other and her
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: eyes are like big, they're like this day, like what
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: is happening? Trio is like texting me like, um, should
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: we like move? And then this white woman says, you know, um,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a few years ago, I discovered Latin American music. She
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: discovered it. Incident again, white people with their discoveries, right,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: She goes, I discovered Latin American music, and I just
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: thought to myself, huh, this is this is amazing. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: need to bring this to the masses, like the world
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: needs to hear this. And she says, and that's why
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I became a zoomba instructor so I could bring Latin
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: American music to the world. And then she's like, I'm
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: going to the Dominican Republic next month. You should come
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: with me and record a podcast there. And in my brain,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, literally over my dead body, right, bitch, I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: will die before I travel anywhere with you. So that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: was my most recent example of a white women being
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: weird girl, right, and the school you're about to start,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: so you'll have more I know it. I know it. Um.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I work with all latinas, there are some white Latina,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: so I will. I'm sure that I will have a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: weird things white women did, but Latina white tina addition,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Um that I can share one of these days. But
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you know, thank feeling nothing has happened, or maybe it
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: just happened so much that I don't even notice. I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: don't know, could be, could be you know the microaggressions
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you just don't really pay attention to. Them anymore. Sure,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I try and take notes on my phone as often
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: as possible or I'll forget right. And because things become normalized,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: become normal. Yeah. So that's why I'm like, do I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: really not have anything? Or do I am? I just
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: used to it, you know, so I need to think,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I need to think about it, and just I guess
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: pay more attention. Yeah, I'm sure there's something. I'm sure.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know. Girl, I'm like a like
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a I'm one of those people and I'm working on
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: this where it's like you think about what you should
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: have said after the fact and then you regret not
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: saying it, you know. So I'm doing my best. I have.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I have when I have said something, it's gotten me
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: into trouble, you know. So I'm like, Okay, do I
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: react maybe into some trouble. Do I think about it
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and process it and then regret not saying it later?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: You know? So That's where I'm at. Yeah, It's really
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: always a negotiation and like picking your battle totally totally.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: So yes, Well, thank you for sharing that, Mala. You're welcome. Um. Yeah,
• 31:08
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• 32:05
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• 32:08
  Speaker 1: want to introduce our guest, the amazing in comparable Yesica Sado.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: She is a l A based Salvadoran poet who writes
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: about her family, her culture, her city and her Brown Body.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: She has shared her work in venues and campuses throughout
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the country. Salgado is a four time member of the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Poetry Lounge Slam Team and a seventeen and National Poetry
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Slam finalist. Her work has been featured in The l
• 32:31
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• 32:37
  Speaker 1: ted X, and many digital platforms. She is the co
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: founder of the Latina feminist collective Chin Guana Fire and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: an internationally recognized body positivity activists. Yesica is the author
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of the Amazon best seller scor and soon to be
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  Speaker 1: ed Moosa, published with not a Cult and and Friends
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  Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and
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• 33:24
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• 33:38
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• 33:44
  Speaker 1: excited to welcome our home girl, amazing author, writer, poet.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Yes Hi, welcome back, Mama Mango, back in the stoo.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: It's been a minute. And Yes, I love this tradition
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that we have where we get the exclusive interview for
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: your book release. Thank you so much for sitting down
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: with us and joining us today for the third time. Yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: we love having Yessica and we sat down with Yessica. This,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like YO said, this is now the third time we've
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: sat down to talk about a new body of work
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that you've created. The first time was for Corason, then
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: it was and now for your news baby and Mosa. Yes,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I mean you know that. Whenever I have a date,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I always hit you all up. I'm like, okay, so
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: when are we doing the interview because it has to
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: be look at that our first, and then everybody else next.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: We appreciate that, thank you, We really really do. And
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: it's always a good time. I told Nico here at
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Espasso that Yessica was coming and he goes, oh, so
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the cheese is about to be really good, right, Yes,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I said, yes, that is true, that is correct. So
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: welcome back. Yesica. Do you want to say hi to
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: our new listeners who maybe have joined us since our
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: last interview with you and introduce yourself? Yes, definitely, um
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Ala new locomotives. I am also a localmore um since
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: day one, so I beat you, but I am. I've
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: coined a phrase for myself. I'm a fat fly um
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: brown woman who writes poems and about love and my
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: family and my community, specifically Siver like Echo park um
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: l A, and I've released a few books and that
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: this is the third one to close out a trilogy
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that's based around all those subjects and basically love and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it's many shapes and forms. So yeah, Hi, and your
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: first two books, because you self published a number of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: chat books Znes, You've had blogs, You've been creating for
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: what ten years more? Now, I've been writing my whole life.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I've been sharing work online for seventeen years um. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: then I've been selling uh some publication of work since
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: two So I've done a project almost every year thirteen
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to now. That's amazing. And what I love about the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: last two books and well now three books, right is
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the way the imagery has progressed and how you have
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a new um either planned or tree involved. And this
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: this time around it's like undeniable the Hagaranda tree. So
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: can you just jump in? Can you talk about how
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that imagery has progressed and perhaps the significance or the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: symbolism for you for this book. Yes, So for the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: first book, it wasn't intentional. I just gathered the poems
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: that I wanted to be in the book and piece
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the story that was supposed to be a love story.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: And the woman who designed my cover when I told
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: her what I wanted as a cover art, and she
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: didn't listen to anything I asked for other than the color,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: which is blood orange was the cover of the book,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and um when it came back, it was the mango.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It was a mango branch. And I realized then that
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the mango was so prevalent in my work and um
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: so when I became conscious of that, I leaned into it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And the book represent like the mango takes so many
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: different um uh, it means so much throughout the book
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and so so then when I had my second book,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I said, well, the mango represents me, what represents my
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: home in l A. And it's two lemon trees because
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: my friend yard has two lemon trees. And so I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: used that imagery throughout the whole cover, throughout the whole
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: book of the sort And there's the lemon tree branch
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: on the cover of the Sorto. And then this last one,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted it to be more of a love letter
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to the whole city to l A. And um, palm
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: trees are played out. Yeah, and my block is lined
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: by hakan on the trees, and I think the hakanana
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is a beautiful They bloom in the summer. I was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: born in the summer. And also, Um, I feel like
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: they tell us they love us, and sometimes we've find
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: them to be an inconvenience because they fall over the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: trees and all over the step and so um, I've
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: been made to feel like my love was inconvenient before.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: But I see the beauty in it, and I think
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that too close at the trilogy, it was like a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: beautiful nod at what that could be. Yes, there's so
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: much that you weave together throughout all three books, and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I mean the fruit, the flowers, the trees, this notion
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of blooming, um, the way you tie it back even
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to place and location and migration, and how you have
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the mango tree and a sadd the lemon tree here
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: in l A, the hakat on the tree here in
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: l A. And I also love the way that you
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: lay out streets throughout the book. I think one of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: my favorite things about reading your work is selfishly finding
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: myself in the work literally literally, Yes, that's how I felt.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: You have the poem and it's literally at Lasa and
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about that. I think two nights
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: go Mama and I And how like in our the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: mommy prime that that was we were always at Lasita.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So being able to read that in the book and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: think like that that was like one of our nights.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that Um, A lot of folks realized
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that the mommies are mentioned so much in my work, right, Um,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you know there's in Corrason there's like Mama, like you're
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: mentioned by name in the book and um, actually like
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you're in a couple of poems because there's a yeah,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: there's a lot and then um got the apple bum
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is mentioned like us laughing over something. Um, being at
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Lasita is a not to like where we used to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: go before. There's another poem about us having a dinner
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood with Maritza. And so for me, like my
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: sisterhood is the most important thing for me, the woman
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: in my life. And and if I could rope them
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: into my work, I tried to. And those that know
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: who it's about know and those who don't whatever, like
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you still get to connect to it. Yeah, And I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: mean the book too is so amazing because at Mossa
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: captures even really important periods of time here in l A.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Like you make mention of Nipsey being killed, right, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it just really cements the work in like our real
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: lived experiences and how the city was in mourning collectively
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: while you were probably mourning something else. Right, I love
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a relationship, what have you. So it's just I would
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: really love to know more about how you take streets
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: and experiences and events in l A. And then we've
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: them back into your personal narrative. Well, yeah, I think that. Um,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not someone that writes out of like political reaction,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: but I will write out of personal reaction, right, And
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I mean the personal is political, um. And so for
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: for me to like write about Nipsey, I couldn't not write.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So the man that I write a lot of my
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: love poems about is the black man, and I can't
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I can't not acknowledge that in my work also, you know.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: And and so that was important for me in the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: fact that Nipsey's death meant something for him too, that
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: didn't mean that for me, and that kind of like
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: sat in my spirit really strongly. But also like to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: see the city more in somebody in a way that um,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I've never seen them more in someone And it was
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: just this thing that like it took over my whole body,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and I had to incorporate. I had to acknowledge that
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I was creating something while that was happening. But um, also,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: like the streets are important because especially the streets that
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I choose to mention, UM. I always try to mention
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: like brown and Black Street, like UM, streets that belong
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to us or that were gentrified and quote unquote taken
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: from us. And and so I feel like it's almost
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: like a word claiming because it's in my work, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: my work is only growing and there's people that only
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: get to know really through my lens. And so if
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you my city through my lens,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you get the real like my lens. Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I love the streets that you choose to mention because
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: they feel so much like home because they're so close
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to my home, you know. Like MacArthur Park is not
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a street specifically, but the park, the location um Vermont Slawson,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Caesar Traves, like these are major locations for people of
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: color and for Latino community specifically. Yes, and it's really
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: important for me. MacArthur Park is important. It's the Salvadoran Corridor.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of a nod to my diaspora. You know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Um Echo Park is is where I grew up going
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: as a kid. And and it's a nod to like
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: what was before the gentrification, um you know, scousin um
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: crunch shot, like naming like Pershing Square. I remember when
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Pershing Square was in the hipster spot it is now,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you know. And and and so it's important like at
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: MacArthur Park, like I mean, y'all host it at the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: limit right. For me, that was like knowing that my
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: homegirls are hosting at something that me and my my
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: family we used to go um when I was little
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to watch meet that like the first concerts I saw
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: were in that part, you know. And and to know
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that I'm part of a community now that it's putting
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: on these things is before meing here um you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: or it's hosting and and that it's also um accessible
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: and tangible. I want my readers to feel that it's
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the same for them to Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Thank
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you for laying all that out for us. I'm curious
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: for h for this time around and been writing this book.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: How was the process different in completing this new collection
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: of works to the other two times, I was tired
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: as fun. So I was tired, and you both got
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: texts for me having existential crisis and crying, and I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't I feel like I I'm glad
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I did three books in two years, but I was
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: tired and I felt like I didn't have much to
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: say anymore, and so I had to sit with that
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: for a while. Like I began the year Um I went,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I was in New York for a few days, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I thought I was going to write all these poems
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: about l A. When I was there, I only wrote
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: like a six line poem, and then like I kept
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: thinking the book was gonna come, and it wasn't until
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: like I was two weeks late, and I literally sat
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: in one night and pulled all the pieces together. And
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: this is the thing that Soto had so much that
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I was trying to outdo the Toto. But there's no
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: way that you can do that. And what I mean
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: by so much is like there's hidden love notes. There's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of references to Quota and the Soto. There's
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of references to my mangoes, and and if
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you follow my if you follow me outside of my
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: written work, there's so much, like so much I was sharing,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to do all of that Theosa any more.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: But I realized that that wasn't what that book was.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: So I sat with gabrield our friends and she was like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: She's like, I don't haven't seen the Bad Bitch Yessica
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: and any of these poems, and that's why the book
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: starts the way it does. I was gonna say, um,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: when you first sent us the manuscript for Amosa, I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: like immediately texted Yessica and I said, um, this this time,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: this book feels so different because I feel you and
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I felt just you, and reading it, it just it
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: felt like this is the book where Yessica centers Yessica,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: and I think that's what makes it so powerful and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: also different, and it makes it powerful in a different
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: way than the other two because I uh my friend
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Katrina uh told like she produced my last book release
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and it's producing this next one, and she said, this
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: is an infra chapter. This is the end to a
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to a chapter in your life. You're no longer trying
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to solidify yourself as this poet. You are like you
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: are who you are now it is undeniable. And to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: think of who I was at Quartassa when I was
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: putting together Quarassone to who I am now, like I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: feel like I've been through like a war zone, right,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and and also I've been on over the country. Um,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I've sold over a fifteen thou books. Think it's so
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: all these things that have happened that I'm like, oh no,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to like write books anymore, like
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a bit just writing books. You're doing it. Yeah you
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: have arrived, Yeah, yeah arrived yeah or or or yeah
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: yeah I have I arrived. I think it's weird because
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you always have like more dreams for yourself, you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and um, but then like yeah, I arrived fully into
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: my voice and into who I am, and and and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: so was selfishly a book for myself. It's interesting to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: how like thinking about the way you describe books and poems,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: like you talk about giving birth to your books, giving
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: birth to your poems. And I think a lot of
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: times we hear parents talk about how different their children are.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And you can't make your child be what you want
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: it to be. The child is going to just be itself.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: And it's almost it sounds like this is the case
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: with your books too. Yeah. Yeah, is the Pride and Joy,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you know, the one that went off to college and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and she's doing everything that you want, like as a parent,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: you want your kid to do, you know. And then
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: this Soto is more like my wild child, the ones
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: just like Funk everybody like the patriarchy. Yeah, she's a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: middle child. And then Edemosa, well she's she's not born yet,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: but she's sweet and um, determined and and just you know,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: like you don't have Some kids are just born with
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: a strong sense of sense self. Yeah. I think that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that's what the Mosa is. Like. The book is what
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: it is, and there's no need to put a spin
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: on it. There's no need whatever. It's a collection of
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: poems about me. Beautiful. I do have to say, um,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: my favorite line, because you you do a really good
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: job of like balancing just beautiful imagery, history, pain, sadness,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: but also humor. And my favorite line in Edmosa there's
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: a poem punchline, the first line, I ate his ass
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: because I loved him. Let's talk about that and the
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: things that we do for these fuckers because we love
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: first of all, the men that I'm sexually involved with
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: bought a five and one shampoo. We saw your story, girl,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: we saw the story. I was like, I'm not going
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: to have sex with you as long as you're using
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that because that's disgusting, right, men are gross, And so
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like, as anyone that has sex with hetero men,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: if you're eating their asses an act of love, because sacrifice,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: because they're not always the most clean people in the world.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so I ate someone's ass as an act
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: of love. It wasn't it wasn't my idea, it was his.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, and so I ate it because I
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: love you. Called the Vatican, we have new criteria for
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: stood and it's eating ass. It's eating eating sis hero
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: male ass. I declare you Santa? Yeah good. Someone translated
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: that into Spanish and it was awful Spanish. I was like,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: crap that line, no, like just the poem itself. Yeah,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: what's the translation? Inst I don't remember what it was,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: but I was. I was frustrated too because they translated
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it and they didn't use Savodoran I remember Spanish. They
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: used like, uh, like the espan like with the with
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the list. Yeah, And so then I went to is
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: this so yeah, because the poem talks about eating a
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: second dick, you know, like the works and and so
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: seeing it translate into Spanish. One not it wasn't with
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: words I would use. And two it was just I
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: just felt like it's kind of I don't know, talking
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: sex in Spanish for me is not a thing I'm
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: used to. So yeah, the one time I had a boyfriend,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I don't need spoke Spanish to ask me if I
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: was we he asked, I do think I remember that
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: he asked that my cookie got what I got and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, I say cookie, I thought of like, yeah,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I'm so dead. So some things don't translate. Well, maybe
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't met like the right like suave man, you know,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: because that might that might be it, but the ones
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I've did it haven't. I mean, it's one thing to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: be corny in English, but to be corny in Spanish,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like triple it's like even worse.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I needed something that was really like super mellosso like
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: too much, and you know, like you don't have to
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: say everything is stronger in Spanish. Love is more love,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: anger is more anger. So if you're like like corny
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: is corny or like I can't could see as Yeah, no,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: how is the love life right now? Yes? Because on
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the subject sometimes on the topic I have a question
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: as well, But let's start with that one. Um No,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I mean in my love life, it's both non existent
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: and existent. I don't know how to explain it. I'm
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: still dealing with the same situation that like you both
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: are rolling your eyes at but right can you can
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: see it in the video footage? I? Um, I mean,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been in love with this person for
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: whatever however many years has been now and um, the
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: relationship has been toxic and uh now is becoming this
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: reinvented friendship but that still has an element of romance
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to it. But it's really frustrating because I've been very
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: hurt and I haven't really set hurt. I'm in therapy.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I'm working through it good. And then like, but I
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: also like, I mean I know that, MoMA, you always
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: ask me that because you go, don't you are you
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: afraid this relationship sabotages the possibility for other relationships? And
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: then I'm like, but nobody's really checking and hold that.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing it's not about. They're actually being someone
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: that's like trying to get at you. The thing is
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: about the universe, right. You have to release what's no
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: longer serving you because you need to make room for
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: something new coming. It's not that oh there's nobody around.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: That's because you're not allowing for anyone to come around
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: by keeping the old. I mean, I know this, I
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: know all of this. I know this, and I go
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: through the processes and to um the breakups and where
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I write the books, and then I'm like, I'm done
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: with him and he's not in my life for months,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and then uh, the relapse that happens. Um, I want
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to say that things are different for me now, you
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: know what. Where I'm at, I'm at a place that, um,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not. There's no frills, there's no false hope, there's
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: no expectation of changing someone. I'm like, oh, I'm like,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: you're a mess, and I'm here because I can't help
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: not loving you. But I'm actively working to like one
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: day not being this and so and I told that
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: we were on IG Live and I go, have you
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: considered the fact that I'm not going to be here
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: one day? And he goes, yeah, I've considered that a
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: lot anyway, whatever, I'm learned that he operates from a
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: place of fear and I operate from love. And um,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if if someone's out there, If anybody
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: out there is doing buking, you do it a good way, right.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: He hast to love spell y'all, come on, everybody assembled,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: so that I could get like this man out of
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: my heart. But then I've had like I tried dating
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: somebody else. Oh my god, wait pause. The other day
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I was in the kitchen and there was and I
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: was like, mom my dad is doing brua on you.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I hope you know that. I was like, and she
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: was like, well, tell him something, and I was like,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: it's too late. He lit the candle. It's been lit,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: it's red, it's done. Okay, so you know it's the thing.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Somebody lit a candle for me. Can you turn it
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: off place? And please? Um no, But I mean, like
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I'm single. If anybody is out there, hello, that's announcement
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: to anyone listening with a finance CEO a good job
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and a professor that's like, you know, but like but
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: like a good professor, like you know, like not like
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: a poor professor. No adject no, no, we need tenure track. Yes,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: their own office. Yes, all that, all of the all
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: that good stuff. You do have a line in your
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: poem Lasita, maybe we want to be single. Maybe we
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: want to be single. The new men didn't stick because
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: we won't let them. Yeah, I mean we've talked about
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: this a lot. Um. So I was on my Instagram
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: like going through my archives and my stories the other day.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: And first of all, when did we ever sleep? My girl?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Never never going to work at a The next day
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: we were going out, like Monday through Sunday. There was
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: a day where we were together, like four days in
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: a row. And I was like what Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Sunday where staming a comfort? No idea, girl, I had
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: to be home by one thirty yesterday, Like I have
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: no stamina anymore. But remember the time that I was
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: supposed to meet this Jamaican dude at Lasita and then
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I got there with you and I was having such
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: a good time I told him not to show up.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Remember it would be like that there sometimes, Or the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: time that the guy came to see me at the
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: at the club with me and you were together, and um,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: me and him talked the whole time and then but yes,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: every but I still was with you, like I wasn't
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: like there with him. So I think for me, I've
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: made it a point to center the woman in my life,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: even even with the guy that I've been on and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: off with, Like, if I ever had to choose between
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: him and my and my sisters, my friends, it wouldn't
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: even be a hesitation. I'd be like, I'll cry over
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you for a few months, but I'll be I'm sure. Yes,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: there's a poem where you have like a conversation about
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: this and you basically say, like we kept the love,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: We kept each other the way that I envisioned it,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: but then it ruined everything else. Yes, it's like what
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: if we finally figuring out What if we figuring it out,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: we built the house, we lived together, and then you're
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: still you and I'm still me, which is these people
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: with toxic traits and um everything goes to ship, but
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: we're with each other. I felt that in my gut
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: at the end, at the end of the last line,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like we ruined everything else, right, But because I think
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: you know, for any of us that have been in
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: a bad relationship, that won't end. Um everything else is
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: like kind of up in flames, or you like abandon
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: everything else, or you forget about everything else just for
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the sake of keeping this relationship going. So I felt that,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I I recently lost a friendship
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: over someone that's in a really toxic relationship, right, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I feel that this person feels that they needed to
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: do these things for their relationship. But at the same time,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: is it worth it if you're losing everything? And so
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I obviously I can't be hypocritical and not look at
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: my own situation. And then I'm like, well, this man
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: hasn't made me lose anyone yet, but I had to
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: take inventory of like would I'd be willing to lose
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: people in my life for him? And thank god I wouldn't, like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, also I talked about him
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: like he's president in my life in the way that
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: he isn't. This is just someone that I have sex with,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: what like once or twice a year, And then like
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I go on with my single ass life and I
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: have a question, Um, this is about dating and writing,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: but it's not about Amosa. And you have your new column, Suelta,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and we haven't talked about that, so I wanted to
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: ask you if you wanted to share what that has
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: been like writing a colum as opposed to you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: hammering out a whole book, you know, and having that
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: be like a huge production, and how that's been you know,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: how has that been like for you? It's been really
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: interesting And UM, like shout out to my editors. She's
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: so amazing, Like, yeah, it is just fantastic. And and um,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I was turning the column day late and she never
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: says anything, and I was like, thank you so much
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: for re patient. Um, but it's been really interesting because
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I get I get to shape this story, the larger story,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: what the poem is. You're trying to It's like you're
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: trying to make an incision and you're trying to be
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: as precise as possible. And with something that's a column,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I get to shape out this this narrative of what
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I'm telling. And and um, every column has a reference
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: to my mother and it has a reference to me.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: So I'm telling her story and my family story at
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: while I'm talking about dating. And I'm really excited to
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: see where the column goes as it goes, like as
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: we go further, like, um, so far written about being
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Catholic and sexual and becoming empowered, but basically about being
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: afraid of that God is going to come out of
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: the sky and be Like what I wrote about being
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: like a successful woman trying to date and how that's hard,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: um I wrote about being a fat woman who dates,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: um being And then this last column was about being
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: like the single friend and where I talked about the
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: mummies and and their partners and and I was like,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: this is cute, but at the same time, like do
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I want this? Can I maintain this? Like sitting around
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: with couples, It just feels like from where I'm at
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: to where the intimacy that y'all are at, it feels
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: like such a wide distance. And so to the point
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: where you ask yourself, do I even want to trek
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: that mountain? Like it's my solitude? Better work, you know,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: And it is work. But then I also see like
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: how and love y'all are, And then you're like, oh,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: that's cute, like especially like you know, our friends that
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: are moving across the country together and stopping at all
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the cities. But at the same time, I'm just like,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: but I would have been like I'm going to grad school,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: fool you stay here, you know what I mean. So
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: it's like how do you balance being independent and being whatever?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: And then it's just like, but you want your partner
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to come with you so you could be like happily
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: together wherever you're at, and so um, yeah, it's about
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: navigating how do you juggle on that? Yeah, I kind
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: of have started to think of partners as tethers um
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: like in us, in like this weird way, because just
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: feeling so connected to another human is not something that
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I like kind of I feel you, yessica, because I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: don't think I still don't have it in me yet.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I don't have the capacity yet, and I can't I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: can't go there. On some level, I'm like, I don't
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: really want to get to know another person intimately. I
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: don't have the bandwidth. Like, yeah, I think about events
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: like when I have one of my events, so much
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: of my time is given to my mingoes, right, and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I have my man there, I'm going to be aware
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that he's standing around waiting for me, that he might
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: want to go already, he might be tired, he might
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: be hungry, he you know whatever, and just to have
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: another person like when she want to fire was happening, right,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Like Angie wasn't my boyfriend, but like she's my friend,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: right and so, but sometimes she would want to have
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: somewhere else to go or something whatever. I remember like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: being aware of what she needed, like so strongly. I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: used to think, what the hell am I going to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: do when I have a boyfriend? If like just having
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: my friend with me is already like, oh, like I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: gotta make sure, you know, like I get used to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: your solitude. And sometimes that's real because like I think
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: about now, like if I were to be single now,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: like this relationship, I don't, it wouldn't work the same,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: you know. But the reason that it's worked is that
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: we started dating before everything really took off. So it was,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: you know, being able to grow and build together as
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: opposed to like just all of this happening and then
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: someone else being thrown into the mix. Because it's definitely
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: different because he's figuring it out with you, and if
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: if you were to meet somebody right now, you would
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: be basically giving him rules, you know, And you know
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: what's great about um. I think what works about our
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: relationship is that we're both very career focus. He's not
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: trying to get married and have kids anytime soon. Neither
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: am I. So that's not even like a conversation that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: we have to have. So I'm very aware that like
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: the relationship that we have is very special and very different. Um,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: so we're not worried about that. Well, I mean yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: but seeing like like, um, I see relationships and I'm
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: inspired by them, right, Like like um, our friends that
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: are going across country too, said, we got to set
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: that in my you. Like I said, for me, I
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: would have been like her man and grad school fuck,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: you know, But like for she gets to have like
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: a like her partner with her and doesn't have to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: take on this whole new city by herself, right, And
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I think that that's beautiful. That's beautiful that somebody is
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: willing to be like, let me pack everything up and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: go with you, right. Um. But at the same time,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: like it's just it just looks like you know, or
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: like when I see y'all and you're juggling his schedule
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: and your schedule and and then I'm like, funk, like
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: my schedules already, I'm over with my schedule. And then
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: like and I say, I want a man with a career,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: so like I don't know what that's gonna look like. Google,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and and so that Google has saved all fights. No, honestly,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Google calendar for folks and relationships with busy schedules. It
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: has saved us many a fight because we put it
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: in the calendar. You see it, you accepted it. You
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: can't tell me I didn't tell you about it. You
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: can't tell me you don't remember it's there, you know.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: So I brifly tried dating somebody in January. It was awful.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: It was awful. One. I had kept like my social
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: media from him because I didn't because that's a lot.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: And then by he once he found out about my
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: social media, he was just like, oh, you're just used
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to people doing everything you want. And then first of all, yes,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: true whatever, but like I'm like, dude, do you know
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: how lucky you are? You know? Or that fool that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I went on a date with two years ago? Whatever,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it's some yum how He was like, what You're like,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: you should be used to like getting everything, And I'm like,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: what is everything? If? Like, you haven't worked for ship,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: you haven't been in the game for ten years plus,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: it's not like you have a fucking butler, Like what
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: are people talking about. But also like what do you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: what do you think I'm getting? Like I got a
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: free drink at the bar, like at the short stop? Yea,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: what do you want? Not like you know, somebody has
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to take a picture with me. It's not like it's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: not like Gucci is sending me stuff to my house
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: and my They don't make things my sentence, but you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: know and see but some other goods. But you know
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm not really I'm not out
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: here like Rihanna, like walking around where I could leave
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: with a couple of wine and not think about it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could probably go to like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: the local taco stand and leave with like the sauces
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: and what it tell me anything. But I'm saying this
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: is a lot next royalty. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's something.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's beautiful and I'm really grateful for it. But
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: like I I don't know what whoever comes around and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: like I end up dating and being like in an
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: actual full on adult relationship with is gonna have to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: be someone that's very secure in themselves and who doesn't
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: shrivel up at the idea of the fact that I'm
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: successful and that's been what's happened so far. Yeah, I'm
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: gonna get my ship together before I tried to, but
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, don't even tell me that. Get your
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: ship together and then come for me. Then come find me. Yeah,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: and then also like stop telling me that you're broke,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Like it's okay, please Lord, stop telling Yessica that you're
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: broke and that you have a small thing. I'm gonna
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: say that you stop it. Where is the game? Where
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: is the courtship? Like there was a time where men
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: were smooth and head game and had something to say.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: But also the new trend is the men that try
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: to get at woman that I know because they think
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: it gives them a stamp of approval to disgusting. And
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: so I don't co sign a single man. Let it
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: be known. I don't co sign a single man. He's lying,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Yessica does not co sign his ask Yeah, he's lying.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Unless I tell you, girl, I think this guy's for you,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: I don't call sign him. What has it been like
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: to be on because are you share that you're on
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: some of the dating apps right in the horse? What
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: has it been like when they recognize you and like, oh,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: should I just saw your book the other day in
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: a bookstore. I laugh. It's because I'm like, what do
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I like? What do I do? Like? Do you follow
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: me on Instagram? Do you know that this might end
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: up on it? Say? Does that? Does that make you
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: feel like this person may have a little bit more
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: like maybe you're more open or does it close you off? Um? It?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: It makes me be nice to that, like I'm at
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: least nice to them, because usually I'm not even nice.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I don't even answer like the hellos like legit, I
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: only answer to argue when i'm because at this point,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I'm you only using the dating apps for content for content, right,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: But recently there was a man that was just like
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I saw your book and I said thank you, and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: then and then it always goes into like I've always
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: wanted to write a book. I'd love to pick your brain,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: and so then like that's already a turn off because
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: like you're minimizing what I do, and and that's not
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to worship. Well, yeah, I do
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: want you to worsh out the ground and walk on,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: but I I don't want you to like like I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: only want to talk about my career, but I also
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: don't want you to try to get resources for me. No,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: you get paid to teach people to read your poetry,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: to speak, you've done workshops like people have learned from you.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: You get paid to do those things. And I get
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: the sense right, correct me if I'm wrong, But you
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: also are not going to do free work for a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: man from ahead is maybe, but not from a man
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: fu no like and maybe like a queer man, but
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: never assist hetero no, never on an app on a
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: on an app doesn't make sense. And so I get that.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I get them. They get the whole like I'm very
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: sexually liberated because i'm you know, like because of my content,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and and then I'm like, yeah, but that doesn't mean
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I want to like talk about sucking your dick in
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: like the first five minutes, Like right, it makes sense.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: So it's weird they treat like online conversations about sexuality
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: as like an open door policy like other bitches open
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: for business, clearly. And then they're the men in person
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: that are out on the dating apps that like hover,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and so I can't figure out if their mingoes or
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: they want to be my man, you know, like, and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: so it's just whatever stress forever stress same you husband,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: word exactly exactly. I loving your husband. I'm down. Yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like your husband that like travels a lot for work,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: so we don't necessarily see each other all the time,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: but we still have we know what it is. Yeah,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: when we need a date night, we're like, we need
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: to see each other. And we have separate houses, but
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: it's all good. Separate houses. Okay, ually do staycations and hotels, yes,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, So okay, Yes, you have a book released
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: coming up, give us the deeds so that all of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: our listeners can come through and support. It is going
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: to be September twelve at the Central Library. Um, the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: event right will be going up this well, by the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: time that this is out, the event bright will be
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: out with all the information and you can find that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: on my social media because I don't have the information
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  Speaker 1: yet right now. But it will be in the evening
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  Speaker 1: September twelve at the Central Library. With it will be
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  Speaker 1: a reading with a reception afterwards. And so if you
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  Speaker 1: can't get into the reading because it gets packed, hang out.
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  Speaker 1: The reception will have drinks made for each of my books,
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  Speaker 1: and um, I'll be signing books and you'll be able
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  Speaker 1: to like hang out and listen to music and see
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  Speaker 1: all the other all the other almost as I will
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  Speaker 1: also have a whole calendar of events, but I will
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  Speaker 1: be here at Espasio on one um for another signing
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  Speaker 1: with yours. Amazing. So your book at Mossa is already
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  Speaker 1: available on pre sale. Yes, where can people pick up
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  Speaker 1: a copy? They can pick up a copy at Nautical
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  Speaker 1: Dot Media or on a pretty much anywhere that sells books.
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  Speaker 1: I am at um or you could go the day
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  Speaker 1: of and you will probably find me at Barnes and Noble,
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  Speaker 1: at um anyone that sells books. But please support independent
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  Speaker 1: bookstores please um Espacio Stories, Um uh what's the space
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  Speaker 1: up here in in Boil Heights to the other book space? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Other books or yeah, and so that place too, and
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  Speaker 1: yeah the actual chest all the independent bookstories. Yeah, it amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sitting down with us again.
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  Speaker 1: We are beyond honored that we get to debut the
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  Speaker 1: exclusive interview about Edemosa. And I also want to tell
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  Speaker 1: you that I'm so proud of both of you, and
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  Speaker 1: every year that I come back, I see the growth
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  Speaker 1: and today were like little like it wasn't even homegrowth
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  Speaker 1: you were like so professional, and I mean you're always
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  Speaker 1: professional now you're always professional, but today, like I it's
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  Speaker 1: just seeing your growth is so so inspiring and and
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  Speaker 1: I love you both and and I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 1: see y'all so and see what else look at us
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  Speaker 1: do and to shake my ass at whatever whatever is next, next,
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  Speaker 1: the next guy. We love you, Yes, mother of mangoes.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us once again. All right, look
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  Speaker 1: I'm onus. We will catch you next time. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for tuning into another radio, Mesitos