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The Big Issues 3 February 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Three p sixty with Katie Wolf. Everyone is listening to
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine's
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Speaker 2: three sixty and it is the Big Issues and joining
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Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning. Dave Tolner, good.
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Speaker 1: Morning, Good morning Caty.
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Speaker 2: And I've also got Maddie Hepworth, Good morning, Maddie.
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Speaker 3: Can you call it the big Issues if you've got
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Speaker 3: Maddie here?
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Speaker 2: No, he's not as big as Damian.
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Speaker 1: He's a shadow and the big fellow.
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Speaker 4: Both in size and such a.
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Speaker 1: He can't defend himself. Be's time to get him.
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Speaker 2: Well, Look, it's always fun in here on the Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: I enjoy discussing some of the bigger issues. And this
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Speaker 2: morning I want to kick off with the news that
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Speaker 2: apparently there's some h gie bargie within the COLP at
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Speaker 2: the moment when it comes to pre selection before the
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Speaker 2: federal election. Now we don't I don't even know what
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Speaker 2: date the federal election is going to be at this
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Speaker 2: point in time, but apparently a couple of names have
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Speaker 2: been thrown about that want to potentially put their hands
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Speaker 2: up to run against Senator Sam McMahon for that pre
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Speaker 2: selection for the Senate seat Dave. Apparently there's some sort
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Speaker 2: of argie bargie and some suggestion which has been denied,
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Speaker 2: suggestion that some branches aren't going to be able to
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Speaker 2: vote because they're not they haven't paid their fees. To me,
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Speaker 2: I know anything about that, No insight, no inside bet.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that branches have to pay their fees.
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Speaker 3: It sounds to me like a little bit of scuttle But.
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Speaker 2: What do you reckon though, I mean, are people happy
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Speaker 2: with Senator Sam mcmahont well.
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Speaker 3: To be fair, I don't know a lot about what's
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Speaker 3: going on there, and I don't know a lot about
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Speaker 3: Sam McMahon. I've never actually said two words to us.
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Speaker 3: I think I may have met at one time and
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Speaker 3: said hello and introduced myself, but that's basic it. So
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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about him. I've had very little
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Speaker 3: to do with the c orp in the last few years.
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Speaker 3: But having said that, look, it wouldn't surprise me. I
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Speaker 3: don't think that there's a single seat with any party
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Speaker 3: that's not always contested. There's normally someone will be putting
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Speaker 3: their hand up to contest the seat against the incumbent.
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Speaker 1: And you know that's.
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Speaker 3: Normally the case across parties, although Labor does have a
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Speaker 3: habit of instantly pre selecting sitting members, but certainly the
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Speaker 3: country Liberals aren't that way. Every every every pre selection
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Speaker 3: is generally contested.
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Speaker 2: And is that a better way to do it? Do
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Speaker 2: you reckon.
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Speaker 1: Better?
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Speaker 3: The thing is, of course, you know, it's a it's
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Speaker 3: a dreadful look publicly it seems that your party is
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Speaker 3: always squabbling. But the other side of the coin is
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Speaker 3: it means that people can't get comfortable, actually always have
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Speaker 3: to be on their toes, make sure that they're out
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Speaker 3: there in the electorate working with the party and all
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Speaker 3: of that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not.
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Speaker 3: Surprised about any of this sort of stuff that there's
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Speaker 3: rumors that, you know, there's got to be challenges for
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Speaker 3: seeing Mars seat.
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Speaker 4: But came up twelve months ago in a certain pre
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Speaker 4: selection seat of fun Limb with a certain.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what you've got a long memory made.
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Speaker 4: He had no association for a few years.
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Speaker 3: I thought, probably why I missed out, because I didn't
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Speaker 3: really have much of an association with him.
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Speaker 1: It was the last minute thing. I thought I'd throw
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Speaker 1: my hat in the ring and whatnot.
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Speaker 3: I think everybody knew me, but certainly I hadn't been
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Speaker 3: attending party functions or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: I still don't.
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Speaker 2: That pre selection process is a really interesting one, but
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Speaker 2: it's one lots of you know, people that aren't involved
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Speaker 2: in politics probably don't realize sort of how how full
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Speaker 2: on it can get. I suppose, whether you're talking about
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Speaker 2: the Labor Party, whether you're talking about the COLP federally
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Speaker 2: or at at your sort of territory level. You know,
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Speaker 2: sometimes it's not necessarily the best representative who ends up
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Speaker 2: with the job. It's the one that's got the most
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Speaker 2: support within a political party, which everyday territorians is maybe
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Speaker 2: not the best way of doing it.
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Speaker 3: Certainly, I personally think it's a whole lot better than
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Speaker 3: just letting a person sit there until they've aded out.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think politicians should undergo a contest every
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Speaker 3: term to see whether they're the best candidate for the job.
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Speaker 3: The parties, you know, I mean, people talk about political
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Speaker 3: parties and that sort of stuff, but the fundamental issues
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Speaker 3: with political parties they have philosophies, and you know, a
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Speaker 3: person to represent a political party should share some of
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Speaker 3: that philosophy that the party shares, so you know, the
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Speaker 3: party's got to I think write and entitlement to question
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Speaker 3: whether a person should maintain their statuses. Especially in the Senate.
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Speaker 3: I think you know, it's almost an automatic that you'll
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Speaker 3: be elected. The pre selection is the big battle for
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Speaker 3: anyone in the Senate in the Northern territory. You know
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Speaker 3: if the who ends up, whoever ends up on top
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Speaker 3: of the labor and see your pee tickets, is going
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Speaker 3: to almost guaranteed to be a Senator.
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Speaker 2: And to know when the federal elections happening.
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Speaker 3: Yes, well, gain there's a whole lot of scuttle but
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Speaker 3: but my gut tells me that scom I will go
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Speaker 3: the term. I can't see anything else that The reality
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Speaker 3: is is that Australians will tend to mark you down
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Speaker 3: if they think you're going to elections because it's that
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Speaker 3: you've got some sort of advantage.
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Speaker 1: If they think you know.
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Speaker 2: So you reckon, it'll wait, so you reckon, you don't reckon.
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Speaker 2: It'll go early, Like towards the end of the year.
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Speaker 3: I think you know, he's elected for a three year term.
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Speaker 3: I think you're probably try and make the most of
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Speaker 3: that three year term. Waited out as long as he
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Speaker 3: can and then go an election and you know, go
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Speaker 3: to election based on his record, not going to an
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Speaker 3: election based on the fact that Albert can't get any
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Speaker 3: air anywhere and no one seems to like him.
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Speaker 1: That's hardly a reason to go to an election.
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Speaker 4: If you look at every election that has taken place
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Speaker 4: since the COVID nineteen pandemic, it's been in favor of
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Speaker 4: the sitting government as well here in the Northern Territory
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Speaker 4: Queensland Act as well. And you know they compare Australia
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Speaker 4: to other countries in our handling of the pandemic. Then
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Speaker 4: you know that's brownie points in an election for Scott
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Speaker 4: Morrison and that's sort.
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Speaker 2: Of sugar yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: But they all sort of go into authoritarian governments, aren't they,
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Speaker 3: you know, left wing style governments. We haven't seen a
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Speaker 3: re election of a Conservative government under a post pandemic.
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Speaker 2: Well, there hasn't. None of them have been in power
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Speaker 2: like right now though, have they any of the considered.
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Speaker 3: If you want to run lockdown, get the Labor Party in.
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Speaker 3: You know, they're good at that author unitarian style government,
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Speaker 3: that's what they're well, they're a socialists, but that they're
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Speaker 3: outwardly and will tell you that they are a socialist party.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the lockdown in w A at the moment. Actually, well,
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Speaker 2: while that comes up, they have obviously gone into lockdown.
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Speaker 2: I think it's I can't remember what day it's until,
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Speaker 2: but they're certainly in lockdown at the moment. But now
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Speaker 2: they've got these bushfires in parts of.
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Speaker 3: One case one case, so they go in a lockdown. See,
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Speaker 3: this is a good example of why you know, socialist
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Speaker 3: governments will be elected people.
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Speaker 2: Different locations and does it, you know, does it?
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Speaker 1: But it's one person, you know, with a disease. It's
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Speaker 1: the result of effect.
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Speaker 4: If that's better in the community, could.
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Speaker 3: Have been.
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Speaker 2: Well into lockdowns, Mattie, I thought I.
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Speaker 4: Just made DT lost for words there for a second.
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Speaker 3: Well you did, I mean, I'm stun I'm stunned at
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Speaker 3: your reasoning, Maddie.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, philosophy.
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Speaker 2: And it's been the tag then.
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Speaker 1: Hope that no one notices.
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Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't it. It's been the fact that many
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Speaker 2: locations or many states have taken at this point in time,
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Speaker 2: and I reckon it wasn't until the one in Queensland
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Speaker 2: recently that I'd sort of heard some communities start to
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Speaker 2: now push back a little bit and go, hang on
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Speaker 2: a second, why are we going into a lockdown for
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Speaker 2: several days when there's only a couple of cases, Whereas
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Speaker 2: previously people had sort of gone along with it and
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Speaker 2: not argued too much. I know that. I mean, obviously
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Speaker 2: the consequence can be dire if it does spread, But
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Speaker 2: then the consequence is quite a difficult one for business.
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Speaker 3: How about the consequence, like you know, for these state governments,
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Speaker 3: it's all care and their responsibility.
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Speaker 1: Look at this silly palichet lady.
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Speaker 3: In Queensland, you know, locks down the state, you know,
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Speaker 3: one of the worst, you know, aside from uh Cham
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Speaker 3: and Dean and all made over there in w A again.
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Speaker 1: Locks are joint down.
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Speaker 3: And then in the next breath sits there and says
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Speaker 3: Sky has got to give them more because their economy
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Speaker 3: is ruined. You go, well, hang on, you're the one
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Speaker 3: who ruins your economy. You're the one who shut everything down.
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Speaker 3: You're now realizing that you've actually, you know, smashed up
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of businesses, You've put a whole lot
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Speaker 3: of people onto the breadline, and now you're sitting there
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Speaker 3: with your hand out saying to scam, Oh, come on,
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Speaker 3: you've got to step in and fix it.
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Speaker 1: Well, come on, you know it's the same as this McGowan.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Next thing is the economy will tank, which pretty well
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Speaker 3: has in every one of these places where they've had
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Speaker 3: a lockdown.
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Speaker 1: Victoria.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what their debts running out at the moment,
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Speaker 3: but it's going through the roof. But the only one
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Speaker 3: holding the cairn is the FEDS. Well, and like I say,
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Speaker 3: it's all care and their responsibility. They don't care these
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Speaker 3: state governments.
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Speaker 2: And look, it's a difficult one. I know, Dave, I
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Speaker 2: certainly know where you stand, and I know that other
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Speaker 2: people stand on the other side where they're saying, we'll
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Speaker 2: hang on. We've got to make sure that we stay safe.
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Speaker 2: It is like it is difficult, but from how good.
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Speaker 3: Is it when you don't have a job or your
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Speaker 3: business has been sent to the wall, if you're a
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Speaker 3: public servant or you work at the ABC. But for
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Speaker 3: everybody else you know that that's got a job in
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Speaker 3: the private sector, might work in terrorism or hospitality. You know,
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Speaker 3: these are dreadful times that they're going through. Massive our people,
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Speaker 3: and you know, govern says, oh, but we're keeping you safe.
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Speaker 3: You go, all right, So you've just put my whole
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Speaker 3: family into poverty. But thank god.
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Speaker 1: Actually, I take your point on board.
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Speaker 2: I definitely take your point on board, because I reckon
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Speaker 2: the pushback is getting a little bit stronger now in
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Speaker 2: some locations where people are saying, well, hang on, why
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Speaker 2: do we need to go into lockdown for several days
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Speaker 2: when it is just one case? But obviously, you know,
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Speaker 2: the point that a lot of our politicians are pushing
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Speaker 2: is that they're trying their best to stop the spread
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Speaker 2: of COVID. So no matter which side of the of
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Speaker 2: the argument you're on, there, there's certainly a lot of
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Speaker 2: conflicting arguments I think you'd say when it comes to
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Speaker 2: COVID and lockdowns. But I want to move along because
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about this Collingwood report and Collingwood
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Speaker 2: President Eddie Maguire has told The Magpie is faithful that
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Speaker 2: he got it wrong the tabling of the historic report
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Speaker 2: into racism at the club a proud day as a
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Speaker 2: key Collingwood sponsor admits that it's deeply concerned and disappointed
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Speaker 2: by the report's findings. Now on a Zoom call held
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Speaker 2: for the club's annual general meeting, the long standing president
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Speaker 2: said that he didn't mean to convey that it was
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Speaker 2: a proud day for Collingwood when the contents of a
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Speaker 2: report into the club's history of alleged racism was prematurely
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Speaker 2: leaked to the media, and he said, over the course
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Speaker 2: of an hour, we answered every question. But in my
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Speaker 2: opening I got it wrong. I said it was a
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Speaker 2: proud day for Collingwood, and I shouldn't have under the
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Speaker 2: pressure of the day. The use of the word proud
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Speaker 2: was wrong. I did not I did not mean we
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Speaker 2: were proud of past incidents of racism and the hurt
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Speaker 2: that it had caused. Obviously, you know it's a thirty
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Speaker 2: five page independent report. It found that Collingwood had an
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Speaker 2: unhealthy culture of protecting individuals ahead of the club and
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Speaker 2: was promoted by former player. Obviously, sorry, was prompted by
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Speaker 2: one of the former players and claims of racism. I
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Speaker 2: mean nobody like, I don't know what.
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Speaker 1: He Who did this independent report that.
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Speaker 2: You said, I need I need to have a look
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Speaker 2: exactly who permissioned? Yes, of course she is.
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Speaker 3: A lady called Larissa Marent. Okay, you remember she's the
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Speaker 3: one who took Andrew Bolt to court.
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Speaker 1: Oh did you Yeah, she's.
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Speaker 3: One of the leading aboriginal activists in the country. Well,
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Speaker 3: I mean they go and get to do a report,
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Speaker 3: isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, though, You've got
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Speaker 2: you've got players that are saying that racism systemic in
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Speaker 2: the club. Like that enough should I mean that alone
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Speaker 2: should be enough to kind of make you go, hang
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Speaker 2: on a second, do we need to maybe change the
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Speaker 2: way we're doing things like that?
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Speaker 1: I dream and I tell you what. You know, this
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Speaker 1: is so funny.
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Speaker 3: You know that this is Collingwood, right, They're a Victorian club.
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Speaker 3: They're as woke as they come. They are as woke
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Speaker 3: as they come. You know, Collingwood was one of the
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Speaker 3: first clubs to line up behind Michael Long and his
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Speaker 3: Long Walk. All of the Collingwood players took the knee
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Speaker 3: in the BLM protests and all of this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 3: They've you know, Eddie McGuire himself does enormous work in
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Speaker 3: remote communities helping indigenous He got a word wrong, right,
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Speaker 3: And they've got they've engaged a woman called Larissa Barrent
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Speaker 3: And this is one of the people who are peddling
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Speaker 3: identity politics so hard it is not funny they dragged
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Speaker 3: to do.
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Speaker 2: We've got people saying that they've been you know, like
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Speaker 2: that they've been treated.
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Speaker 1: In a way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but these are the same people who believe that
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Speaker 3: Australia is a racist country.
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Speaker 2: In some ways, maybe we are, well, I can tell.
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Speaker 1: You we absolutely are. We absolutely are.
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Speaker 3: And when you look at Australia and you look at
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Speaker 3: what we do, you know everything is based on race
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Speaker 3: and skin color. We've got a Closing the Gap report
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Speaker 3: that comes out totally based on race. It's not based
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Speaker 3: on disadvantage or anything like that. It's based on how
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Speaker 3: Aboriginal people compared to the rest of Australia. It's race
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Speaker 3: based report. You know that we've every everywhere you look
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Speaker 3: in our community, disadvantage is now being determined by race,
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Speaker 3: not by location. It's not being determined by someone's economic
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Speaker 3: status for instance, like this, this thing about the voice,
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Speaker 3: you know, is to give Indigenous Australians a voice in
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Speaker 3: the Federal Parliament. That's not based on disadvantage. The people
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Speaker 3: pushing this, Noel Pearson, Marcia Langton, mac Good and Mick Dodson,
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Speaker 3: you couldn't call them disadvantaged in any way, shape or
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Speaker 3: form and any way shape or form.
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Speaker 1: And yet they have.
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Speaker 3: Got the audacity to say, oh, we speak for disadvantaged people.
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Speaker 1: Well they don't. They dn't at all, they don't.
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Speaker 3: I'd be very surprised if they know too many disadvantaged people.
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Speaker 3: But how can you sit there and say when you're
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Speaker 3: on a couple of hundred grand saying, oh, we speak
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Speaker 3: for disadvantaged people.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, at the end of the day, the three
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Speaker 2: of us don't actually speak for Aboriginal people.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about Australia being a racist country.
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Speaker 3: Now you go and try and get a contract in
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Speaker 3: a remade area in the Northern Territory, right, the first
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Speaker 3: thing that you have to do is demonstrate how much Indigenous,
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Speaker 3: how many Indigenous people you employ before you're even looked at.
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Speaker 2: It's not about make sure that jobs and opportunities.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 3: So it's not about whether a person is qualified to
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Speaker 3: do a job, what type of job they do, whether
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Speaker 3: they do a good job or not. It's based on
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Speaker 3: their skin color. And everybody knows in the territory. You
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Speaker 3: look at these places, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll go
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Speaker 3: and get their quota of Aborigines that they need on
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Speaker 3: the books, they push them over there.
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Speaker 1: They sit under a tree.
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Speaker 2: They don't learn anything that you're making.
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Speaker 3: A side in the house or the building or whatever
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Speaker 3: it is that they're doing is twice the cost of
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Speaker 3: what it was, which hurts too well, which hurts the
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Speaker 3: indigenous people themselves are very people have put there to help.
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Speaker 3: But no, but we focus on race all the time
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Speaker 3: in this country.
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Speaker 1: And it's a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: What happened to Martin Luther King when he said, you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be judged by the color of
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Speaker 3: my skin, but the character of my content, the character, sorry,
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Speaker 3: the content of my character.
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Speaker 1: I'll get that right, the content of my character.
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Speaker 3: Where do we judge people by the content of their
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Speaker 3: character and not by the color of their scheme.
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Speaker 2: I take on board what you're saying. I actually think
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Speaker 2: some of the points you make are very valid ones.
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Speaker 1: But but you've got a Risca Waranti.
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Speaker 2: Talking about Collingwood Football Club and we're actually talking about
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Speaker 2: systemic racism.
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Speaker 1: People within that systemic racism.
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Speaker 2: You've actually got players who are not white. You know,
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Speaker 2: they're actually players who are saying that they've faced racism
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Speaker 2: within the club. Like to me, you know you kind
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Speaker 2: of go is it?
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Speaker 3: Sorry Katy, Sorry Katie, but have you seen the report?
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Speaker 3: Have you looked at the report?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: The reports about racism? This guy that that's kicked.
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Speaker 1: This whole thing off.
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Speaker 3: I think he's Cameroon or he was born in somewhere
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Speaker 3: in Africa or what not. He's a dark skinned guy anyhore.
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Speaker 3: But he's certainly not indigenous.
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Speaker 1: But all of the recommendations, well, it does when you
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Speaker 1: have a look.
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Speaker 2: At the report.
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Speaker 3: It does when you have a look at the report, because,
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Speaker 3: like I say, the report has been written by one
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Speaker 3: of Australia's leading Aboriginal identity politics activists.
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Speaker 1: Right, this isn't a person who's got no skin in
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Speaker 1: the game.
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Speaker 3: And I found it interesting when you said an independent
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Speaker 3: report she is far off.
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Speaker 1: The ABC website. Well good ass, all right.
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Speaker 3: But the point is, you know, they get some gun
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Speaker 3: for hire to come in and write a story about
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Speaker 3: the systemic racism in one of the most woke sporting
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Speaker 3: clubs in this country by far, you know, and then say.
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Speaker 2: Go for it, madd do you reckon?
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Speaker 4: I don't have half the opinion, the part of the
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Speaker 4: opinion that DT has on this.
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Speaker 2: He even bought notes today he's coming with like portfolios previously,
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Speaker 2: So that was just on the back of.
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Speaker 1: A napkin.
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Speaker 2: Identity politics, politics of envy.
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Speaker 4: I was very shocked by Eddie McGuire's comments calling it
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Speaker 4: a proud day for the club. If you look at
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Speaker 4: who Eddie is here is one of Australia's most seasoned
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Speaker 4: media performers through radio, television, commentary, his role within the
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Speaker 4: Collingwood Football Club in the AFL as well. So you know,
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Speaker 4: you hear of a lot of CEOs and presidents making blunders.
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Speaker 4: But for someone like him that understands the political and
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Speaker 4: media landscape incredibly well better than most, he would know that.
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Speaker 4: You know, words carry meaning and I think to use
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Speaker 4: that proud. You know, if in ten years time of
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Speaker 4: a report came out and said we've actually done a
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Speaker 4: lot with in this air, We've changed things, we've changed
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Speaker 4: the culture and we are proud of this report. It
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Speaker 4: does say we've got more to go, but it really
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Speaker 4: didn't hid a higher any of the good things within
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Speaker 4: the clubs. So I was very surprised.
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Speaker 2: You know, for me, I like I do think to
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Speaker 2: myself and Dave, obviously you've got very strong opinions on
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Speaker 2: this and some of the points you made are ones
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Speaker 2: that I know a lot of people will agree with.
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Speaker 2: There are others, though that you've made that that people
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Speaker 2: will absolutely not agree with. And I think that at well,
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Speaker 2: it highlights the fact that within Australia we've certainly got
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Speaker 2: very differing views on everything well, you know, about lots
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Speaker 2: of different topics. And for me, you know, some people
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Speaker 2: listening might be thinking, oh, they don't like what you've said,
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Speaker 2: but we all, you know, we always make sure that
19:42
Speaker 2: we have the discussions on here that can be for
19:45
Speaker 2: some people, you know, for sometimes they can be a
19:47
Speaker 2: bit heated or a bit uncomfortable. But I think that
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Speaker 2: it's important for everybody to be able to have an opinion.
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Speaker 2: But I look, I would have liked it as well.
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Speaker 2: I did ask Kenny Vows whether it could come on today.
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Speaker 2: It would have been good to have an Indigenous person.
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Speaker 1: It would have been. But just go back to Maddie.
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Speaker 2: You know we.
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Speaker 4: Do.
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Speaker 3: But you talk about this word proud now, Like I say,
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Speaker 3: Eddie McGuire and the point you make, Eddie McGuire has
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Speaker 3: been everywhere in the media.
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Speaker 1: He understands everything.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, this is Eddie himself doing his own
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Speaker 3: little bit of virtue signaling on behalf of Collingwood.
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Speaker 1: Look at us.
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Speaker 3: We've done a report, we've done a review. That's something
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Speaker 3: we're proud of. Now all of a sudden, everyone takes
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Speaker 3: that in a misconstrued right, he did stop.
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Speaker 2: It up, David, you can't say that he did.
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Speaker 1: It's a proud day for Collingwood.
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Speaker 3: He honestly believe that we've attacked this thing head on.
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Speaker 2: It's basically he's apologized. Basically because he's soapologized.
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Speaker 3: Instead of sitting there explaining himself and trying to say, listen,
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Speaker 3: we're proud of this because we attack the issue head on,
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Speaker 3: he doesn't. He comes out and say, oh, I'm so
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Speaker 3: sorry that I offended. Everybody took the knee.
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Speaker 2: So not the first time that Eddie McGuire has said
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Speaker 2: things that aren't entirely appropriate, right, and they are you know,
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Speaker 2: some have said that they're racist. We're gonna have to
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Speaker 2: wrap up. I'm very sorry, Dave. I know you could
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Speaker 2: continue on for a lot longer, but unfortunately we've only
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Speaker 2: got half an hour and we've got two minutes to
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Speaker 2: get to the news. Thank you, Maddie. We'll talk to
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Speaker 2: you again very shortly for the local news. It is
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Speaker 2: just a couple of minutes away from the national news,
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Speaker 2: and that was the big issues