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Ep 13: Bridging Health Worlds: Embracing Holistic Health with Dr. Danielle DiPiero · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up y'all?
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a really cool guest here with us today.
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  Speaker 1: Finally we got her in.
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  Speaker 1: We're super excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's Dr Danielle DePiero, with Wellness First in Juneau Beach, right?
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, you were like one of the first ones on my list.
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  Speaker 1: I was like man, I got to get Dr Danielle in here and we got you.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: Tell people what your title is, where you're at, what your practice is and what y'all do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so we are located in Juneau Beach, called Wellness First.
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  Speaker 2: We are an integrative primary care practice, and so I'm a family doc and I'm an osteopath, and so I joined about six years ago it's in my sixth year With Dr Hadley yes, dr Hadley's my partner.
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: We've got a couple other physicians now that we've hired and brought on and we're growing, and I think what really sets us apart is that we really take full ownership of our patients from a primary care perspective, and we're doing so with, like, root cause in mind, and so we call ourselves an integrative practice, where we are marrying conventional medicine which still has its place Absolutely but then we're also addressing patients' needs from a root cause perspective, where we're really listening to their story and recognizing that every individual has different needs, goals, and so we are really trying to find the why behind the things that they're that ailed them, or patients who just want to maintain, you know, incredible health and vitality.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: We have a wide, broad spectrum of patients who we see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, beyond that, like the conventional Western medicine stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have the other side to the integrative side and right the wellness side.
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  Speaker 1: What do y'all do with that?
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  Speaker 1: So IVs, yeah, tell everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so well, really, you know, foundationally, every the foundational pieces first, right, like you're focusing a lot on nutrition, you're focusing on stress management, you're getting them sleeping better, you're reducing inflammation, You're balancing hormones, and so that's really like bread and butter what we're doing.
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: Not everyone needs our additional services, but yes, we do offer things like IV nutrient therapy, iv chelation, we do something called IV ozone, which is really really cool, and we're even bringing on new services all the time, and so that we try to be kind of a one-stop shop for our patients, recognizing that, like I said, not everyone needs those modalities.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: But we do find that when we're sitting with a patient for the first time and you're really hearing their story, you really got to focus on those foundational things first and get some consistency there, and then, yeah, you can certainly bring on these cool integrative things to add on, but it's what we do day in and day out that really is going to give you the most reward or return.
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a type of clientele base that you feel like is your wheelhouse, you know like a certain niche?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I chose family medicine because I enjoyed seeing all ages and we do see 14 and above, but probably our bread and butter is in the ages of like 40 to 65.
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: Those are the people that have really, you know, younger than that, sure you have things that you can work on, but people kind of feel their age around 40.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: Right and beyond, and so they really they're like okay, now I want to really invest in my health and so I love the people that just want to lean in and learn, and so I kind of say that I'm in the business of giving back people like hope and encouragement and empowerment, because doctors unfortunately give, they can.
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: They can kind of say you have this X diagnosis and you're going to have it forever, and I and I like to say actually that isn't true, Like we can actually reverse this and this can absolutely get better, and so it's amazing what just kind of inserting hope back into their like health like does for them.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with that because I see a lot with our, you know, sports worth of pedic type people and, I would agree, 45 to 60, 65 year olds.
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: It's like they I was a great demographic to work with because they're like, they're all in there Like, tell me more about this.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: How can I get better?
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  Speaker 1: Am I going to be like this forever?
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  Speaker 1: And it's like you know your, your shoulder issues, like it doesn't have to be like that forever, like you can get fixed and make this feel better, I promise, and get back to working out and exercising.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: Would that be cool, like I can do that?
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, totally, what do you find for you that's like that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: We can reverse this.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so many things.
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  Speaker 2: I think the fun things are those chronic diseases that a almost a lot of Americans write heart disease, obesity, metabolic disease, auto immunity, even cancer, right, and so I don't think there's one thing that you can't reverse.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: I believe the body has an amazing ability to heal itself when given the right tools, and we don't talk enough about that.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's really an exciting time to be in medicine, because I think people are asking for more and they're kind of pushing the envelope for, like, actually I don't, I don't want to take this medicine, like what else can I be doing?
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  Speaker 2: And those are this can't be it.
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  Speaker 1: Is this it Like?
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  Speaker 1: There's got to be more.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and so, yeah, the body is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 1: What type of you said autoimmune what kind of autoimmune disorders that you see?
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  Speaker 1: That could be reversed.
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  Speaker 2: Hashimoto's thyroiditis that affects a lot of females.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and so I've seen that reverse and totally resolve.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen patients with multiple sclerosis who, you know, things like IVO zone can be really incredible to reverse.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, wow.
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  Speaker 1: And I've always understood MS to be like terminal and just completely it, just, it proceeds.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I know, and so that's where diet changes and reducing inflammation and getting them sleeping, and even that is something where I feel like you do need something like IVO zone to really help.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot of patients not a lot, I should say.
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  Speaker 2: I should say a handful of patients that we work with with MS that it's really keeping.
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  Speaker 2: It's really keeping them from feeling a lot of the symptoms that MS can cause.
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  Speaker 1: Really debilitated and more remit, like the remission.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, talks about IVO zone therapy.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly is that?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so IVO zone is just a way to give.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: So ozone is three oxygen molecules where you use a genery to push them together, because O3 or ozone is actually a very unstable molecule, and so we can inject it into joints and I do this as a regenerative therapy for chronic musculoskeletal complaints.
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  Speaker 2: But we can also put it in the blood and we do so.
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  Speaker 2: We use a machine that drains the blood into this, like it's like an egg, and then you ozonate that egg and then you give it back and so it's a closed loop and ozone in the body is.
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  Speaker 2: It has so many benefits but it kind of acts as a sterile molecule, so actually can kill chronic viral illnesses, it can stimulate NAD, nadh, which actually improves energy, and it can actually also reduce pain and reduce overall inflammation.
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: Cool, yeah, so sterile it can actually okay, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: And then, in general, I've heard this a lot and I want to hear what you, your definition or explanation of this reducing inflammation in the body.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what is inflammation?
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  Speaker 1: And then how do you reduce it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, great question, and so well, I should say inflammation is actually the body's way of healing itself.
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  Speaker 2: But too much inflammation is also not a good thing, right.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you get a cut on your arm, what happens?
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  Speaker 2: It gets red, it gets hot, it's painful, it's pain to touch.
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  Speaker 2: But when we put in inflammatory foods, when we are not managing our stress levels, when we're not moving enough, when we're exposed to toxins be it heavy metals, pesticides, mold that has a negative effect on the body, right, and so that those exposures or those habits can build, and so the body then gets overwhelmed, and then that's when disease can begin.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's where we see atherosclerotic disease, that's where we get obesity, so that's where we get autoimmunity.
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  Speaker 2: Even I think cancer is what you know can can ultimately stem from unchecked inflammatory process.
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  Speaker 2: So there are so many ways by which we can reduce inflammation and it's kind of going back to those foundational things, right.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: And so that's really where listening to the patient's story and getting an understanding of their habits.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: And are they prepping their meals?
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  Speaker 2: Are they eating out most of the time?
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  Speaker 2: Are they getting to bed at a decent hour?
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  Speaker 2: Are they on their phones all day, like, how are they managing their stress?
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  Speaker 2: How are they addressing their heart issues?
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  Speaker 2: Right Like so?
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  Speaker 2: We're not just physical beings.
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  Speaker 2: We are emotional, mental, spiritual beings as well, and so we often have to address those aspects of individual.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, totally, I was going to ask too.
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  Speaker 1: What with inflammatory foods?
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  Speaker 1: What do you put in that category?
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question I don't want to do individualized for people.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I.
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: That's where it's hard to give a blanket statement like I think there's universal truths, Absolutely Right, Like canola oils.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't recommend that to anyone, right?
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: That's one.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot Seed oils Brianna Davenport, some of that Okay Seed oils, and canola oil, I think, being one of those.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: Sure, right, yeah, refined sugars.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: Fine sugar Yep.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: Soy not especially nonorganic soy, I think gluten only because we're in America and the wheat is just so genetically modified at this point it is not really seen as food but foreign, and so if we were living in South America or Europe I think it'd be a very different conversation.
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  Speaker 2: But I have a lot of people that are not necessarily celiac but definitely gluten intolerant.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Any suggestions of wheat sources to go after then?
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  Speaker 1: Or are we just all doomed?
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  Speaker 1: It's like everything is just modified.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: But I, you know, I try to say, stick to like the sweet potatoes, white rice, brown rice, quinoa, those sorts of grains and complex carbohydrates I've kind of.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: Instead of pasta, I love spaghetti squash.
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  Speaker 2: I think it tastes better, but there are like things like brown rice pasta We've snuck in spaghetti squash with the kiddos.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: It's good, I didn't know the difference.
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  Speaker 1: Like spaghetti they're like don't tell them it's actually vegetables.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: They're like what, like nope, that's anything.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome, okay, cool, okay Good.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the similar messages that that's good, that's good to hear, that's good, that's good to hear.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of, what kind of cases do you enjoy the most?
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  Speaker 2: then people work with I love people that come in and they've been given kind of a, a like, an absolute like.
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  Speaker 2: You're always going to have this and they come in.
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  Speaker 1: It's wowing them.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 1: And just wowing them, being like I wait, I have hope, like well, it's amazing, what, what?
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  Speaker 2: just giving them like a different perspective, like just saying actually that that is actually is not true, and it's like Joy comes back and like a light, like they like, they like physically lighten up, they're like, oh, oh.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah and that that is so rewarding for me.
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  Speaker 2: And they say so.
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  Speaker 2: That means like you can heal me and I'm like, no, you are gonna heal yourself, I am gonna guide you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna listen and I'm here to help, support and give feedback and held you accountable and kind of Coach you through this right, certainly, but like you're the ultimate person that's gonna heal yourself.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to empower them to recognize that their body knows what to do, but they've.
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  Speaker 2: It's just amazing what this does right our thoughts so powerful, like right placebo effect is real, it's totally real.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah but it's also amazing what just belief back into your heart and into your mind can do right for a person.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: I, I love that, totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: It's something I heard recently with a mentor.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: They're like you, no matter what, we can't separate the mind from the body.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Totally makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Placebo is real, okay, can we leverage that then on the other end, but with beliefs and perspective?
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: Reframe maybe do the same effect, but in the reverse.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like totally right, I'm like so I totally agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's totally untapped and like it's just not really fully appreciated as much as it should be.
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  Speaker 1: So I would imagine it for you guys, like everything you're just saying, the we're where you can't separate the mind from the body we're.
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  Speaker 1: We're spiritual and mindful and emotional beings.
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  Speaker 1: The mental health component is a major factor with healing and just being able to set ourselves up for success.
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  Speaker 1: What do you recommend for that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you send people to mental health therapists used to you like what do you recommend?
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  Speaker 1: Books?
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  Speaker 2: So I'll speak from personal experience.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been to therapy, love therapy.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like people are gifted in that, in that way to help walk people through traumatic seasons and things that have happened to them.
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  Speaker 2: Right for me, even just recently, I took the last six to eight months to really do some inner heart work.
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  Speaker 2: I found that I didn't, I didn't like myself, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I Was getting easily frustrated and I didn't know why.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, why am I showing up in this way?
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  Speaker 2: And I was introduced to woman.
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  Speaker 2: Her name is Jackie Dorman and she wrote an incredible book called the Heart Work and it's written for men and women.
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  Speaker 2: And I took four to five months to really Go deep and spend time and let myself Feel things.
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  Speaker 2: And so I kind of became my own counselor, my own.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of repair did a Little girl that needed like some love and attention and that honestly did more for me than anything else.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the heart work by Jackie.
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  Speaker 2: Dorman D O R M A N Highly recommend cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been.
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  Speaker 1: Is she local?
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: No, she's actually out of Texas.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, how'd you get exposed to the book?
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Chris Valentine.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: I listened to him his podcast.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: He's also incredible.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: He's out of Bethel and he had her on his podcast.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Oh cool yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I love that, like his, but I mean Just like this podcast to be really enlightening and hopefully really piecing things together for people.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna check that out.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I think the the mental health component is like Greatly undervalued or just under appreciate as much as it could be.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: We've gone to therapy myself and my wife and I like just because we want things to be good, not like it's bad, but like we appreciate and know like that is that's the number one most influential thing.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I think I heard from somebody it was like the number one most impactful thing for somebody's like happiness is who would I spend the most time with, and usually a spouse, right or a significant other.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: It's like that's 70% of weight on your happiness is completely around that relationship.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like whoa, you know that's okay, that's miss meaningful, but that's cool, the hard work, I'm gonna check that out.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: So there's definitely.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I mean that's cool to hear that y'all have a huge correlation between that mental health and emotional and spiritual side with the healing process and physical, married that with a necessary Western medicine approach when it's appropriate, of course, but then also not neglecting that there's this new wellness 3.0 thing you're talking about side to health and in wellness.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: What was that book they were talking about?
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  Speaker 2: It's called Outlive by Dr Peter Atia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, medicine help at 3.0.
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  Speaker 1: Is that you're saying?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's part of the book, I mean it's, it's.
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  Speaker 2: It goes very in-depth.
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  Speaker 2: But one thing that he talks about is something called medicine 3.0, and I think that's really where we're headed.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I hope that's where we're headed because People are asking why, why do I have this, why, why do I have to have this forever?
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: And I think our generation, those coming up underneath that, like younger, are saying they're kind of they're not satisfied with the way that Western conventional medicine is, is doing things, and so I love that they're Asking those questions and they're kind of forcing me to say okay, leah, let's go deeper, because sometimes you can get complacent, right, and you're doing the same thing every day.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: But people I love patients that ask me and kind of pushed me right Because I don't know everything right.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want to stay stagnant, I want to keep learning and growing, and so my patients are also my teachers, which is really cool.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Outlive, that's really interesting.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Another, I mean around that same topic with Western medicine and the direction and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: I heard an interesting thing, and it's not for everybody just make your opinion on this too, with you know, pharmaceutical companies and health insurance companies and stuff like that.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: But with big pharma and medicine, which could be very helpful and Great for people, right, and save lives, of course.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: But With some recent things that have happened in the past several years, right, a lot of questions and stuff I've been raised in like new perspectives and then come up and it's like man, are they trying to help solve problems or are they creating lifetime customers?
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Where your thoughts on that?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: That's a different one there.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: So I want to believe that People's attentions are ultimately good.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Do I think that we have Abused and taken advantage of in some ways?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, but I absolutely believe that medicine has its place and Pharmaceuticals have their place.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: But I don't love when I feel like they're trying to push out alternative therapies or they don't give credence or credit to these things that are also equally beneficial.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Like there is enough, like need for all of us to come to the table and like have a space there.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Like why does it have to be your king being big pharma and no one else has a seat of the table?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to try to muffle everything else out.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I Don't love that, right, I don't love that.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I think it has like a scarcity mindset, like we all have a voice, we all have something to contribute, you know, so does that that?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: answer question.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, for sure that's.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: No, it definitely answers the question.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: What are some of the most common questions people ask you?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: What should I be eating?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: yeah, I believe that I hear that all the time too.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Wish I eat.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: What should I not?
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  Speaker 2: just just just tell me what to eat, and it's like I Would love it if it were that simple.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: But I have tried every Fad diet under the Sun I mean you name and I've probably done it, and I have found for myself I just love a good macro balance diet.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I love fats, I love protein, I love carbs, I love it all and so, but people, some people, thrive in keto, some people thrive, they just they thrive doing a vegan right or vegetarian, or Mark Hyman coin to term vegan diet.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So is, you know, a little bit of protein, but mostly fruits and vegetables, and and so I just it's really hard to give a blanket.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: This is what you should be doing, because I also want to create empowerment of that patient to know, like, like take some data, like track your food, track your sleep, see like what works for you, because it works for you isn't necessarily gonna work for me or your neighbor.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And so I Just try to create like I'd actually try to ask questions back Well, when you eat this, what do you feel?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Do you feel right?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And then have them Kind of be there like own, make their own solutions right, I would, I totally.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I grew that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: The Instilling the habit and then them learning it yeah, at least for us, I've.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: We've noticed in our patients and I'm sure you're very similar and other people will talk to too the people that make the best strides are the ones that really lean in and they learn this stuff a little bit more.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: The education component, yes, and they ultimately change their lifestyle habits for a long-term benefit, which is hard, of course, when, like I've been doing this for 30 years, I'm not gonna change right, like hey you, this is not going right, it's not going well.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Right, but having them change their lifestyle habits, learn this stuff, I mean, take a little bit of self responsibility, you know.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: But, more importantly, like instilling these changes for a long term change.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I've definitely seen for our patients that we've had those are the ones that make the best, the best strides.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, mindfulness, it's all about mindfulness, right, and checking in and, like I said, just listening to your body.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: The body speaks to us all the time.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Like so, and I say like, listen to those kind of cravings within reason, right?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Like I think women sometimes they're like, sometimes just craving red meat.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Have yourself a burger honey, like eat right, you might need a little iron, like.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Or I really don't feel good when I drink alcohol, but I do it because, socially, that's what's, that's what everyone else is doing.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Well, are you what?
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Well, let's look at that right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So I just think we do a lot of things out of habit, because everyone else is doing it, and we're really kind of not listening to the thing that was given us to kind of tell us and teach us what's best for us.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Makes total sense Social norms, social expectations, social approval yeah, I think that's definitely.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I would investigate that too.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: You know, like if someone's coming with that, I would say, like, why do you feel like you need to get their approval to begin with?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: That's the problem, yes, or that's something I would investigate myself or look into.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: That's not my role, that's not what I do, but that's just.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: My head goes right, sure, but I don't do that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Okay for you, you personally, what things have you done to nap your you know your health professional, your doc and with the med school, like definitely busy schedule practice owner, right, yeah, how do you navigate your own health and wellness and fitness?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's changed over the years and I used to really put all my energy into my nutrition and my exercise.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I still focus on that a lot, but I feel like right now I've really leaned into my own belief system and my sleep and my quiet time and my ability to rest.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: We are really good at go mode.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: We are really good at you.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: You give me a diet, you give me, you know, an exercise plan and I'll do it and those things have value and they're needed.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: But I feel like we don't do a great job of just sitting with ourselves and letting cortisol come down and letting like parasympathetics kind of come up and like giving the sympathetic nervous system a break and putting away the phone and just connecting with people relationally, like that, I believe, is so important and it's not necessarily given a lot of thought anymore.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: So for me it's building relationships, making time for their people, thinking about someone else, not just myself.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Getting to bed at 10 o'clock.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I love my sleep, it's so important to me.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I feel amazing when I, you know, get my eight hours.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So but yeah, like so I think, as of late that's where I've leaned in a lot of my time.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I loved exercise.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I and I and I prepped most of my meals at home.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I still like to eat out a little bit, but a lot of that is done, you know, at my house.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the it's a while back.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I had reached out to you about some blood values and stuff like that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Like I was like man, I need to investigate these blood panels.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I just wasn't feeling great in general and so went locally.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I went in and got some blood work done and some things were off and I was like what, like what the heck?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You know and I definitely believe it was stress induced you know, I had some alopecia stuff going on to, like some patchy stuff, patchy on my beard, my face, and I was like why, like what the heck happened?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and some of these values were off too, and a mentor of mine had described similar things for him as well.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And I was like like what's going on?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Right, I want to investigate this a bit more.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: What's why?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And I, in my own opinion, I was like this is totally stress induced, this stress and anxiety.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm a dad, I have two kids, got a spouse, my wife at home running a practice in the business of seeing patients, trying to navigate my own health and fitness and wellness and other projects I'm working on simultaneous.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, what, what, like what's going on and how can I fix this in address and one of the main things that this mentor was telling me was like what's your soup schedule like?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And I was like, no, my kids wake up, I'm up.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: If they're up early, I'm up.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: My wife handles that mostly now at this point and luckily my daughter's a little bit more consistent with her sleep.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: What about my son?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Like he's only a year and a half, so he he's sporadic sometimes and she handles that mostly, think, and she's a warrior, she's a superhero.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But anyway, like my sleep was definitely not consistent.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: He was like dude, get that on track, be militant with your schedule of like hard, stop 930, go to bed.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Because you were getting a bit, you know, 445 for a patient at six or something like that, right, or a patient at seven.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You got to get up at 530.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Like you need to get, like what do you usually need?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm like yo, eight hours if I don't, I notice a difference, like you said, even better than maybe eight and a half, there's way.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: But I was like all right, so then I need to go to bed eight and a half hours before that and I'm like no chance can do that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I won't do that.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's what needs to happen.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Right, I have an idea.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Go to bed earlier, it's like what?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: But that was the first thing I suggested.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: He was like make it chilly, super dark, white noise, and then just scheduled militant time of like bedtime hard, stop at 930, whatever the time is, and just get to bed.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And I was the first thing recommended.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm going to do it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: My family makes fun of me because I wear earplugs.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I got a face mask.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I started mouth taping.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I mean it's, it's a whole project.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it it works.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: But like everything you said cool room, like sleep like you're in a cave, dark, cold.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear anything, see anything, so yeah, have you tried the white noise?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I have you dabbled in a little bit.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I have a little bit.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I just like the earplugs.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of my thing.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes they'll do both.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I'll do your plug-in white noise Because I think I got used to the white noise when my daughter was first born three years ago.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Three and a half years ago she was in the bass in it in our room and we had white noise for her in our room and I was like I like this a lot.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: And then she left and had her own crib and I was like I was like Nicole, can we like it?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Or one white?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: She's like we won't win our daughter.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: We like if she cries we can't hear her.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like oh yeah, I forgot about that part.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I'm anyway.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'm a fan.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: The white noise makes the difference, for me at least.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I've sleep definitely is, I think, very underrated.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So For Revert you're talking about reversing auto autoimmune disease.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I would assume type 2 diabetes would be on that list of like, not on you, but like you can reverse type 2 diabetes, absolutely okay.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I've been telling people that I'm like I'm not, I'm not crazy, right, you're not crazy.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Type 1 diabetes is one that is Congenital, right?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, we can't change that, unfortunately.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But type 2 diabetes can be reversed, absolutely okay.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I thought.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: So what for people with type 2 diabetes.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: What do you recommend?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So it goes back to the basics, it goes back to really the big thing.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: There is changing their diet, and I often have them wear a continuous glucose monitor, because what spikes Someone's sugar for one person may not for another, and so getting that data is really important.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: So just corn, do it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Does rice do it?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Does potatoes do it?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Do none of them do it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And so getting blood sugar down is really important.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: But I also think, eating more macro balanced meals.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So having a protein, healthy fat, a complex carbohydrate, if those, if they could have those complex carbs, but there might be a season where they need to really just lean into proteins and fats, and then, you know, non-starchy vegetables, and and then getting them moving.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of these people that have type 2 diabetes they're, they're very sedentary, and so it's not just about getting in the gym for 30 minutes Three to four days a week, like they need to be moving throughout the day, right?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Not just 30 minutes in the gym and then sitting the rest of the day, right?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: So movements a big deal, getting them sleeping and Getting blood sugar down and then managing their other stressors.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And so we do more functional testing and oftentimes we're finding, you know they're.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: They're full of heavy metals.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Things that really can affect the vasculature include things like lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Those are the four vasotoxic metals that we really want to try to reduce their exposure and and get them out.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: We get them sweating.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Sweating is such a great way to detox, right, getting their bowels moving.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, oftentimes they have something called Autonomic neuropathy where they're just guts just don't move.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Very well, right, they're nervous system to their gut doesn't move, and so Getting them regular and so it's, it's kind of a whole.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: What least of that Sugar in the blood?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Just excessive, yeah, excessive like an insulin resistance, yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And the main thing that creates insulin resistance is just too much sugar in your diet, Basically.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I mean you banged on that door of needing insulin for so long, because what insulin does is it pulls that blood sugar into tissues, into muscle and organs for for use, for energy, right, but when it's constantly present, that kind of signal Dims and so it's not as reactive to bringing it in.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: So it hangs around in the bloodstream, hanging on the back of the body Bringing it in, so it hangs around in the bloodstream, hangs around nervous system, and then things, yeah, shut down right.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Interesting, I know because I never heard it before the gut, the auto, the auto autonomic response to the gut and it shuts down.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Interesting it quiet, yeah, I mean everything kind of just dims right, if that's, that's the way.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The reversal for that is, we need to clean up the nutrition component.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: We need to eat more purposefully.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know, protein, carbs, fats, appropriately.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, introduce some movement and even better, maybe a purposeful fitness regimen.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's appropriate and builds over time.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yep, get moving throughout the day, not just when you're working out.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Fix your sleep time and and consistency.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And then what was the other one?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Removing stressors stressors whether those are environmental, Psychological.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that over and that combination over many, many months will lead to like hey, my a1c is Improved, absolutely cool, versus like I'll just take an insulin injection every day.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Which is only adding insult, injury and creating more weight gain and more difficulty with Insulin resistance.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's a little that's more late stage and that's harder to do, but I absolutely believe that it's is doable.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: It's just it's getting the mind around what needs to happen versus saying, oh, if I take this medicine, I'll be fine.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Is it instant gratification, less work needed and deep diving not being taken?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah I, that makes total sense.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Um, we're talking about briefly about sodium.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: All right, so didn't gets a bad rap.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I've always thought that like, oh, it increases the risk of cardiovascular disease and high blood pressure.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: We need sodium.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Totally, we need sodium.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Your dreamals need sodium.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Or your dreamals are a little your stress glands.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: That's on top of your kidneys.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: They're about the size of a walnut, but, yeah, you need sodium.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: You need so, especially if you're an athlete and you're sweating a tongue.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: You need those electrolytes back right.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: But if you're hypertensive with Already high baseline inflammatory disease, like we've been talking about, you want to monitor that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: So Everything in medicine is dose based, right, like a little bit as good.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Just enough is great, but too much is not can be detrimental to exactly.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: What about the some of the wonder supplements that I've heard about?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Our Magnesium?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sleep.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, agree.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Well, there are different types of magnesium.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: There are some that are great for the nervous system, that, some that are good for skeletal tissue, some that are great for um the gut.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So every but magnesium.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, most of us could use a little love for magnesium.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've been.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I've been recently introducing a little bit more magnesium um Potassium supplements with a vitamin C as a scorbic acid right um into my daily routine with uh fish oil and then turmeric and ginger great.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Supposed to be all anti-inflammatory.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Absolutely those are all I did.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Is there anything else missing in that list that I'm gonna write this down?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Those are.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty exhaustive list.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good, okay, yeah, I like it so for people who are like I, want to decrease my inflammation right or Eliminate from what I've heard to you, clarify this for me, like free radicals Right sure like hydrogen ions or oxygen ions that are free radicals that are the inflammatory responses in your bloodstream.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They're part of it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They're part of it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I how do I want to answer this?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So, taking supplements are great, and they're they supplement or they bridge, but I think what you ultimately have to do is remove the inflammatory items and give more presence to those things that are gonna be have antioxidant potential, right, and so you can't take the supplements and keep eating what you're eating and expect.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trying to solve a problem with, but still doing the problem.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly why not just remove the problem?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying yeah, I love that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And I think most of those things that you mentioned can be found in our food sources.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Right, Our food source isn't perfect by any means, but like I really would rather patients just eat, you know, wild caught salmon and flax, chia seeds, walnuts, pecans, to get their omegas that way versus a capsule, I would rather them do.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Seeds, nuts.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: And especially females need more magnesium, especially around their cycle.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, everything.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Again, I think, supplements, supplement.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Would you recommend for people then like at some point to wean off of the supplements If you remove the inflammatory lifestyle habits and nutrition stuff that they need, take supplements to make it better remove those those things and then eventually remove the supplements too?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Potentially yeah, potentially.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think when you sign up for taking something, it's for forever.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Everyone's needs change based upon so many different factors, and so for me personally, I do notice, when I'm not taking the supplements that are kind of in my regimen right now, like I was having surgery and so I had multiple surgeries over the last few years and so I needed certain things to get me through postoperatively right, but even now I have some different things, so those things shift.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe is the best way to answer that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, based on what's going on, sure, that makes sense.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: That's interesting how you've been feeling after surgery stuff.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, I feel great Thank you.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, iv, nutrient therapy, supplementation, getting rest, taking a little time off work those were all things that were really good for me, and so I feel great, thank you.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Are you still working on a metabolic?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I am, I am, oh, I really appreciate their programming in the sense that it's very mindful we go back to that word.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And so I'm an athlete, I grew up playing sports, I still love sports, and so I feel like the movements are very intentional and they don't push you.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: They really kind of are leaning into what you individually need, and so they're like different lanes that you can kind of shift between, based upon, kind of where you're at.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And so I look at intensity.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, or weight is really where probably the difference comes.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: But postoperatively I've really been doing lighter weights, but I still love to get in there and sweat.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I love to sweat and the coaches are great, very knowledgeable, and it's just a great environment.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: It's very encouraging, very lively.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: We're all starting and ending at the same time, so it's not this I got to finish before you like.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: No, we're all in it together, we all start and finish together and I and I love that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just makes sense.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: You know, like I had to hurry up and finish, they finished first.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I'm still going.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I would like test taking and be the same People would turn their tests in.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'm still on like 14 of 30.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: How are you done?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: You know that's yeah, totally.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: It's kind of discouraging sometimes.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: My favorite part of mad is every class there's a striking portion, and so that bag is like my therapy.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: It is awesome, it is like the best way to punch in bag.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a punching bag.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they call it striking, but yes, yeah, gotcha, that's, they have a unique model.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I went there a couple of times.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I met Zach a couple of times.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Zach's the owner correct, incredible.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Head coach.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool dude.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I actually ran into him at Harbor side on this Halloween.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: That Halloween event fall October fest thing Cool.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: With our kids and I was like I know you, but yeah, the striking part is really cool component, yeah, and so you played sports.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: You were a basketball, is that correct?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, play ball.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: And then I played tennis, I danced, I tried soccer for hot second but I was terrible.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Reminded you play college ball.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I was pre-med.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to focus, I had to focus Looking back.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I would have loved to maybe tried excuse me to kind of walk on.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I went to Palm Beach Atlantic.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I might have been able to do that, but but yeah.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to focus.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I had to focus.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It's an animal, yeah, and it's like one B in your like done my roommate in college.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: He was pre-med and he was like he's super smart dude, you know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: He also got like the only academic scholarship, that's like the number one academic scholarship for the whole school, for like each class, and he was the one that had it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So he you know there's some expectations but also pre-med and like he was studying all the time, he enjoyed it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: He was good at studying, you know, and like doing good in school Not always my thing, you know, but that won't go there.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: You're doing pretty well.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Kyle yeah, but he had to.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was definitely grinded, you know, like he had to do extra stuff and like definitely hustle.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: So I can appreciate that.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: So what about now?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Pickleball is your thing, right?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the game and it is blowing up.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's playing it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so addicted You've played.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: A couple of times I really like it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, just because I've never, the couple of sports I've really never played was tennis and hockey and I was like I would have loved those.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I just never really played them.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: But I was like pickleball.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I played ping pong.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I was like it's a mix of like tennis and ping pong, it's just a more manageable version of tennis.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: It's just not as big, it's more manageable, yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: And I was like I like this.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go play tennis, but like pickleball I could play.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I could not.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I could do that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: You were natural, worked you.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: No you weren't.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: No, I was not, I had I, I, yeah, it wasn't my thing, I had to practice for sure, but I did see.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: So my wife and I would take our kids to like all these local playgrounds and stuff in the community, and the one right next to the Palm Beach Gardens High School.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: On my lack, there is your soccer fields behind that playground.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they knock all that down.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It's all pickleball courts.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Now it's behind the playground, behind Palm Beach Gardens baseball field and then on the other side of the pickleball.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: You know they were, they played pickleball now, yeah, yeah, they're.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I think they're changing that into an ice rink.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: My understanding.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it originally an ice rink?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was, I was, I was an outdoor hockey roller.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Hockey roller hockey Okay.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Cool, but they made all new, like there's probably 10 pickleball courts.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Are those the ones that want to be covered?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I think so yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Cause it rains.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: What do you do?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Or when it's like 99 degrees outside in summer.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Which summer here is like March to November, right, but yeah, the whole thing is pickleball courts now.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Very cool.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I haven't been there.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like I haven't been here like maybe a month or two, but I'm like man.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Within the last six weeks, this has completely changed.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, it's crazy.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: So pickleball is blowing up for sure.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you play competitively, right.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I took a break with all the surgeries and work kind of building over the last year.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: But I would love to have my season where I'm really leaning in.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I found that when my pickleball was going well, my work was suffering and vice versa.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: So right now I got to lead him to the, to the business.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I would love it eventually to really train.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I mean you've really got to be at that competitive level.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: You got to play every day, so that was twice a day and I just wasn't getting enough touches to really compete at the highest level.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I was playing in open tournaments, not pro level tournaments, totally different, but I was playing in open.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: It's awesome yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: It's great, that's cool, thank you.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I mean I want to get out there again at some point with some people I was playing with.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: We'll see, I'll play with you and your wife.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I got Nicole is.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Nicole is natural too.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Is she?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: awesome.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: She played soccer in college, so she's had that Okay cool.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally Well.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I would say like well, in closing, because we'll have to do another, another episode, for sure, and talk more details about other aspects of practice and what you all do, and then maybe some other nutritional stuff, sure, but what would you want to leave people with, like what wellness first does, If how you feel like you can help them, like what would you want to say?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: If you feel like you're kind of banging your head against a wall with the conventional model and are really looking for someone to take full ownership of your health, then I would say call us, because we do screening consultations for everyone to make sure that they understand exactly who we are, what we're about and if we're a good fit for them.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Because I recognize I'm not the doctor for everyone, nor am I trying to be, and so if that's something that they need, that interests them, that absolutely would love to hear from them and spend a little time getting to know them and see how we can help.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Gotcha Cool.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: That's awesome and I think it's also important.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, we tried to do the same thing.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: We're not the physical therapists for everybody, sure, and at least if we talk, we can give you some direction on, like, maybe, where to go next.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where can people find you?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Like website, instagram.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: So wellnessfirstjunobeachcom that's also wellnessfirstjunobeach is our Instagram.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: We're 13901 US Highway 1, suite 5.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Our office number is 5614914666.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Cool, okay, awesome.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And you guys are like, you're on the corner of Donald Ross and US 1.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, running the Thirsty Turtle.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, across from Papa Quons.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I love to go there.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Cool yeah, totally.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's great, well, awesome, well, I appreciate you coming in.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me Definitely be on again.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, fun this was great.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: It was really great.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, and if you all need any questions, like always reach out.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: We would love to answer questions and share some, shed some light on some questions you'll have and at least point you in the direction you might want to go.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: But you can find us at athleterestorationcocom, on Instagram or athleterestorationcompanycom, and the best email for us is our team email team at athleterccom, and we're looking forward to having it again and we'll catch you all next time, thank you.