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INTERVIEW: Chaka Bars Discusses Displacement In The Congo, Black Future, Pan-Africanism + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that answer in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club, yeps mos dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club, Charlamage.
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  Speaker 3: The God just hilarious. We got a good brother in
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  Speaker 3: here right now.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: He goes on social media as Shaka bas what's the
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  Speaker 2: full name Shaka?
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  Speaker 1: My full name is Shakasha, I victorious. I m h'm
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  Speaker 1: the rest of name. So Shaka from Chakazulu. You heard
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  Speaker 1: about Shaka and then Asher twelve tribes at Israel, and
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  Speaker 1: then I victorious. I wasn't was a title given to
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  Speaker 1: me that I will be victorious so I would selling
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  Speaker 1: my mom. She set me up before I even started,
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  Speaker 1: like do good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: How long you been living up to your name? When
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  Speaker 2: did you say to yourself, I have to live up
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  Speaker 2: to this name.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've been. I've been a warrior for a while,
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  Speaker 1: but kind of the wrong one because when I was
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  Speaker 1: a younger, like when I was sixteen, I joined the
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  Speaker 1: British military, so I went to war in Iraq. I
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  Speaker 1: did the warrior thing, but being a warrior for euro
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  Speaker 1: colonizer imperialism is not the warrior that Shakazulu was. I
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  Speaker 1: think actually living up to the name, like ten years
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing work now in Africa and the Caribbean,
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  Speaker 1: so ten years.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to have you up here, man,
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  Speaker 2: because I've been watching a lot of the work that
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  Speaker 2: you've been doing in the Congo, and you're like the
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  Speaker 2: only person I see, at least that I follow, who's
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  Speaker 2: like shining a light.
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  Speaker 3: On what's happening in the Congo.
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  Speaker 2: So first first, I want to ask you what is
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  Speaker 2: happening in the Congo and what made you what sparked
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  Speaker 2: you to have to go out there and like want
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  Speaker 2: to really put booths to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, all of these devices that we
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  Speaker 1: see in front of us, they all have minerals in them,
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  Speaker 1: and those minerals are coming from the Congo. And the
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  Speaker 1: term smartphone was coined in nineteen ninety six at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, Congo is being invaded because of Cobo Kotan.
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  Speaker 1: Well from my various minerals that I needed in the
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  Speaker 1: tech industry, and I realized that we using these devices,
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  Speaker 1: we are a tacit complicit in this supply chain of
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  Speaker 1: suffering basically, and now you've got this whole You see
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  Speaker 1: the rhetoric. Everybody's like it's a green tech revolution, and
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  Speaker 1: everybody go green. But the green tech revolution has a
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  Speaker 1: Black African human cost because since this invasion of Congo,
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  Speaker 1: the major one was in nineteen ninety eight, there was
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  Speaker 1: six million people dead between ninety ninety eight and two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and.
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  Speaker 3: Three, and it started in ninety.
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  Speaker 1: Four with the Rwandan genocide, right thousand people, eight hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing about the Rwandan genocide that not so
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  Speaker 1: many people are speaking about, and I sent Winston Jukes
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  Speaker 1: some messages about it because he's now citizen of Rwanda,
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  Speaker 1: and we see that Kendrick went to go perform in Rwanda,
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  Speaker 1: is that the Rwandan genocide then led to a subsequent
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  Speaker 1: genocide of the Congo which has been going on and
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  Speaker 1: has not finished yet. And so Rwanda has been able
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  Speaker 1: to develop now basically being the client for their friends
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  Speaker 1: in Europe and the Middle East. So where people think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's fine, and that's the most progressive country
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  Speaker 1: in Africa, right next door there's a war and there's
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  Speaker 1: a genocide. And I've been in that war. So where
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like how you have Israel and Palisine now right,
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  Speaker 1: so you have this whole all right. Israel's very progressive
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  Speaker 1: and great healthcare and all of these things, and then
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  Speaker 1: right next door it's like super genocide and that's what's
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  Speaker 1: going on in Congo and has been going on in
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  Speaker 1: Congo because the world needs tech and most countries, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: all countries in the world do not have the same
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  Speaker 1: amount of minerals as Congo has. It's two point four
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  Speaker 1: million kilometers square. It if you stuck Congo in California,
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  Speaker 1: it would reach Texas. That's how big, right when they
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  Speaker 1: tell you how you know, they talk about Africa like
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  Speaker 1: it's a small continent just somewhere down there, just one
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  Speaker 1: country in Africa is half the size of North America, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so it's so big that the different superpowers have
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  Speaker 1: been dividing it up for many, many years, and obviously
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be collaborators. You know. We say that, oh,
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  Speaker 1: king folk ain't skin folk or I think personally, or
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  Speaker 1: all skin folk ae kin folk, I think personally. The
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  Speaker 1: genocide that we're witnessing now is the greatest humanitarian crisis
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  Speaker 1: of our time.
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  Speaker 3: Six million people.
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  Speaker 1: Right, No, six million people between nineteen eight eight to
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and three.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Subsequently, since since then, there's been people dying every single day,
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  Speaker 1: every single month, every single week since then. So, like
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  Speaker 1: I've been working in Congo now for eight years, and
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  Speaker 1: just in the last two years that I've been working there,
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  Speaker 1: there's been hundreds of thousands of people have lost their lives.
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  Speaker 1: As well as these people losing their lives, there has
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  Speaker 1: been around another two million people displaced. So right now
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  Speaker 1: the population of Congo that is displaced is around seven
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  Speaker 1: and a half million. The population of the population of
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  Speaker 1: displaced people in Congo is nearly the same population of
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  Speaker 1: New York City. Wow, I put it into scale for you.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of big.
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  Speaker 4: So you've been there eight years and you said that
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  Speaker 4: that has happened in the last two years. Would would
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  Speaker 4: you say is most challenging and helping the people, you know,
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  Speaker 4: since helping the people of Congo like obstacles d overcome.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that because it's black people, nobody cares. That's
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  Speaker 1: really so it's like where we see what was going
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  Speaker 1: on in Ukraine and the whole world has to speak
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  Speaker 1: about it. Where we see what is going on now
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  Speaker 1: in Palestine, and because of its relationship with Israel, and
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  Speaker 1: because of Israel's relationship with North America, everybody speaking about it.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that we can have nearly in the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years, nearly ten people, sorry, nearly ten million
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  Speaker 1: people dead. And it's not popular news, it's not taught
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  Speaker 1: in school. Is that's the most challenging thing. It's like
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  Speaker 1: this hidden thing. It's like this under the radar thing.
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  Speaker 1: And if I told you in North America or in
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  Speaker 1: Mexico or in Ukraine, that the population of New York
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  Speaker 1: was displaced, and when they're when I mean they're displaced,
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're living in a tent and the tent
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  Speaker 1: has been made from a plastic sheet and some woodsticks.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have running water, they don't have electricity, they
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  Speaker 1: don't have basic health care, they don't have hardly any food.
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  Speaker 1: So people are starving to death every day, like we
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  Speaker 1: see people dying every day. And if I was to
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  Speaker 1: if I was to drive you from where we are
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  Speaker 1: right now, fifty fifth Street, I think if I was
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  Speaker 1: to drive you from here down to where I was
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  Speaker 1: last night, eighth Street, and the whole way, you would
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  Speaker 1: just see people displaced. You'd be like, what is going
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  Speaker 1: on here? And people don't go there. That's the other
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  Speaker 1: thing is there is many people who speak about Congo
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  Speaker 1: now or more people speaking about Congo, they don't go. Like,
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  Speaker 1: as much as I love my brothers and sisters for
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  Speaker 1: speaking about it as well as speaking about it, go
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  Speaker 1: there and help out or figure out a way. Because
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  Speaker 1: the thing is that it's not necessarily that you need
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  Speaker 1: to go there and do something. Just go there and
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  Speaker 1: take your phone and show people what's going on, because
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  Speaker 1: get the word out. Because this if this phone, if
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  Speaker 1: these devices are created from the minerals from there, and
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  Speaker 1: we all have one, and we're all going to have
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  Speaker 1: the whatever's coming out, right, then why is it that
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  Speaker 1: you know, we speak about the Holocaust in Germany of
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  Speaker 1: the Nazis and we say never again, right, and that
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  Speaker 1: is drilled into us, into movies, into narratives and rhetoric. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Why has more people the most people in the world
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  Speaker 1: since the Cold War have died in Congo and the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the world is not speaking about it. So
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  Speaker 1: in the last fifty years, Congo's deaths have have have
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  Speaker 1: equated to more than all of the world wars and
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  Speaker 1: conflicts combined, Wow with Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: And we're not speaking about it because black African people,
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  Speaker 1: if these were white people if these were light skinned people.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is is we have to be the
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  Speaker 1: ones that speak about it because it's only black people
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  Speaker 1: who are going to care the most about black people.
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  Speaker 1: If we don't care, then nothing's going to get spoken about.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the problem with capitalism is it
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  Speaker 1: hides its deficits. Right. So, yeah, there's a green tech
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  Speaker 1: revolution and we might be able to do some carbon offsetting, right,
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  Speaker 1: but there's seven million, nearly eight million people displaced because
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  Speaker 1: of it. So it's like, do we want do we
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  Speaker 1: want that as a solution if we're gonna see in
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  Speaker 1: our time, we're going to see one of the biggest
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  Speaker 1: genocides and biggest displacements of people. So I think that's
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  Speaker 1: that's the biggest problem for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the other component to it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The other component is you have all of.
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  Speaker 2: These different countries who are benefiting for what's going on
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  Speaker 2: in the Congo, and people are not going to be
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  Speaker 2: willing to give up their technology sadly in this world.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know, we live in a capital society, but
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  Speaker 2: everything else is on capitalism. People are going to say, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we know those people are going through that, but you
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  Speaker 2: need laptops.
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  Speaker 3: No, but it's true.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. But at the same time, as as as
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  Speaker 1: we always say, you can get the minerals stop killing people, Like,
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  Speaker 1: why is it if you discovered gold you're from Baltimore, right,
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if there was there was a gold mine in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: Why does half the population in Baltimore now have to
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  Speaker 1: be displaced because of that gold mine. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: it's only Africa where resources are a curse. Everywhere else
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  Speaker 1: the resources is great. It's great to be used there.
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  Speaker 1: And at the same time, when we try and get
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  Speaker 1: these messages out, shout out to to Julie Meta at
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  Speaker 1: Instagram because she's helping me out. The accounts that speak
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  Speaker 1: about this the most of the most censored. Right, So
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  Speaker 1: like every single product within Instagram I basically can't use
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  Speaker 1: and I've used. I built a whole village in Congo, right,
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  Speaker 1: we care for around one hundred Offen children. But every
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  Speaker 1: single product I haven't been able to go live for
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  Speaker 1: seven months?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Right, subscriptions, No, can't send broadcast messages out, can't what
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  Speaker 1: other things? When people share my stories, it mentions this
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  Speaker 1: person has repeatedly posted false information. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: try and follow me. You don't follow me, but if
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  Speaker 1: you want to try and follow me, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: give you a warning before you follow me. And this
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  Speaker 1: is the same thing as from what I can see,
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  Speaker 1: this is the same thing as cointail pro is like
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  Speaker 1: silence black leaders, stop the rise of a black nation.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the third point of cointail pro. Stop
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  Speaker 1: the the communication of African Americans because of how much
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  Speaker 1: your GDP is worth and Africans on the content, stop
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  Speaker 1: that work together. Because if you look at New York,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, New York is a population of eight million,
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  Speaker 1: one point three trillion, right. If you look at you're
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  Speaker 1: from Carolina, right, Calina. If you look at Carolina and
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  Speaker 1: you look at the GDP of Carolina, I got it
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  Speaker 1: written down here. You look at the GDP of Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: and then I thought envy was going to be here
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  Speaker 1: as well. I combined the three GDPs of Carolina, Baltimore,
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  Speaker 1: and New York State. New York, New York State is
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  Speaker 1: twenty million people, and it's a it's a GDP of
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  Speaker 1: two trillion, right, and then when you look at when
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  Speaker 1: you add Baltimore to that, and you add Maryland to that,
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  Speaker 1: it's five hundred billion, right, and then if you add
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina to that and the GDP of Colombia, that's
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  Speaker 1: another three hundred billion. Right. The entire GDP of the
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  Speaker 1: entire continent of Africa, which is around one point four
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  Speaker 1: billion people, is two point seven trillion. So three states
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  Speaker 1: in America have the same GDP as the entire continent
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  Speaker 1: of Africa. And we know that Africa's resource reach, So
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  Speaker 1: then what is the system that's being set up? Because
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  Speaker 1: it's not just Congo, There's many countries that is happening
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  Speaker 1: in and so when we try and speak about this,
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  Speaker 1: we're always being censored. And I'm sure they'll work it out.
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  Speaker 1: Because if I wasn't able to use Instagram the way
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  Speaker 1: that I've used Instagram, then I wouldn't have been able
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  Speaker 1: to do the things that I've been able to do,
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  Speaker 1: Because why are you going to as white imperialist structures,
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  Speaker 1: Why are you going to elect somebody who's speaking about
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  Speaker 1: the same things that you're benefiting from. You're not going
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  Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, but black people see me and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, well, we want to know about what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in Congo. We got phones, we want to know
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  Speaker 1: about this stuff. And so I would implore everybody. Years ago,
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  Speaker 1: I set up a charity called iHeart Africa because Congo
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  Speaker 1: is the heart shacker of Africa's right in the center
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  Speaker 1: of Africa. I set up this charity and since then
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  Speaker 1: we've cared for around around two hundred children for like
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  Speaker 1: eight years. But it's a drop in the ocean. And
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  Speaker 1: what I would say is is African Americans being involved
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  Speaker 1: in African business, African philanthropic efforts are not going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for nefarious reasons. They're going to do it
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  Speaker 1: because they see you see a little Congolese kid, You'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, that could be my kid, right, And that
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  Speaker 1: in itself is going to do something. Whereas when people
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  Speaker 1: are going there with this colonial mindset, they're going there
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  Speaker 1: as let's go and help these poor stuff in Africans
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  Speaker 1: at the same time as stealing diamonds, stealing gold, stealing coltan.
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  Speaker 1: Because the reality is it's not Africans that control this.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, they're out of the nineteen minds that mine
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  Speaker 1: Cootan in Congo, fifteen of them owned by Chinese. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to come on here and talk about Chinese,
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  Speaker 1: but I am going to say that they are going
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  Speaker 1: to do for their own people first, and so we
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  Speaker 1: should do for our own people first. Because the other
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  Speaker 1: thing is I've seen Baltimore that is like poverty, like crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying the whole of Baltimore, but I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: some of them stoops the.
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  Speaker 3: Wire.
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  Speaker 1: But there's no reason why with the port there that
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  Speaker 1: people should be so impoverished. Right And and this is
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  Speaker 1: what Marcus Garvey was trying to do with his black
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  Speaker 1: style liner. There should be a shipping company. There should
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  Speaker 1: be an airport that's black owned. There should be black
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  Speaker 1: owned commerce coming from Africa to the port in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 1: and vice versa. Trade should be done directly. Shouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: to do trade with the government that's going to steal
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  Speaker 1: from you anyway, because I mean, shit, if it's like
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  Speaker 1: if we if we get into talking about government, I
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  Speaker 1: I know that you guys sometimes have political people on here.
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  Speaker 1: Often at the same time as all of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I've just said are happening. It was funded by
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  Speaker 1: the US government, like they literally funded it and went
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  Speaker 1: in there and are protecting their interests, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: And we argue about this stuff often. Should you vote
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  Speaker 1: Republican should you vote Democrat. And it's like it's like
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: we say in Rasta is like in fact, indigenous people
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  Speaker 1: say this, but rast of people say this as well.
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  Speaker 1: Is two wings of the same bird is still the
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  Speaker 1: same bird. And when we're giving these systems to vote on,
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  Speaker 1: we're not given an opportunity to actually create change. We're
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: just given an opportunity to reinstate the same system with
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  Speaker 1: a blue or a red symbolism on it.
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  Speaker 2: And because throughout the world nothing changes, regardless of who
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  Speaker 2: is in the White House, their interests will be their
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  Speaker 2: interest right, regardless of it has an interest who is
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  Speaker 2: in that that that white House Republican, Democratic.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm speaking to Black America because because Black America
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  Speaker 1: is powerful enough to be able to make its own
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  Speaker 1: decisions for what it wants to do with its own destiny.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, you see the exodus to Ghana right now,
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  Speaker 1: Like right now, me and my friends shout out to
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I can announce it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but we're about to start building a city in Ghana,
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  Speaker 1: like a whole city amazing for the diaspora to go
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  Speaker 1: home to. And we were there like a few weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago and living nice like living nice.
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  Speaker 3: You've been to Ghana, yes, love it.
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  Speaker 1: Right right right and then and then imagine you don't
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  Speaker 1: experience any racism the whole time that you're there. Like
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  Speaker 1: if the police stop you, they're asking you how your
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  Speaker 1: day is. If the police stop you in America, you
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  Speaker 1: might catch a straight You.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know how it's gonna go based on what kind
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  Speaker 2: of day they're having, right right, right right.
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  Speaker 1: In Ghana, the police can't flex like that. In Ghana.
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  Speaker 1: I think the last time, I think a soldier shot
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  Speaker 1: somebody and shouldn't have shot that person. The people went
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  Speaker 1: out and dry demand to the street and killed him.
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  Speaker 1: You can't be doing that in Africa. The way that
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  Speaker 1: the way that things running the West is very different
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  Speaker 1: to the way that things run in Africa.
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  Speaker 2: And even if you steal, like you go to the
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  Speaker 2: markets and it's a word they yell out I can't remember,
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  Speaker 2: but if you steal, they yell out.
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  Speaker 1: This word yeah, and everybody will lich you, everybody beat
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  Speaker 1: you up. Don't don't be stealing, you know, yeah, or
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  Speaker 1: if you be stealing, don't get caught. And then we
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  Speaker 1: go back to the government. They get caught stealing, like
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  Speaker 1: this whole banking bailout. Thing that happened every It happens
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  Speaker 1: every eight years every time as a financial crisis. Like
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  Speaker 1: I saw. I was walking through New York a few
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  Speaker 1: days ago, and I saw not actually I just came
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: from Jamaica, but the last time I was here a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: few weeks ago, I was walking through New York and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I saw that American people are thirty four trillion in debt, Yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in debt to who who are you in debt to?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And then you have to think about if you're thirty
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: four trillion in debt because Africa is a cash system,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: as you know, here is a credit system, you're thirty
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: four trillion dollars in debt, which means that you are
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: spending money you don't have. Then who is doing that
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: labor for you? Where is that being exported to? Obviously Africa, China, India,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: et cetera. And the reality is that where where there's
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: like this, this this massive amount of censorship for speaking
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: about the things that are real. The things that are
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I want to say that they're bullshit, But the things
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: that I don't think we should speak about so much are,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: for instance, what is going to dominate the airwaves for
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the next month maybe is Kendrick versus Drake's right, who
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: gives a shit?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I just read an article on Rolling Stone and it
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: was talking about how it's hard to care about the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: rat War when it's the real war going on.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was probably referring to Palaestinis. There's five
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: million people just placed in Sudan. There's an ongoing conflict
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that's been financed by the West in Somalia. There are
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: millillions of people displaced in Yemen, South Sudan, wars back
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and forth. We're looking at like we're looking at one
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of the biggest humanitarian crisis of our time in Central
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: East Africa, and we are worried about who's got better borrows.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: And if you look at it, let's be honest, rap
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: battles has just grown men spitting poetry to each other.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Frankly Kendrick right, But it is it's like you make
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it sound so romantic. I mean, I mean, if you're
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: taking the time to go back and forth and research
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: somebody and write poetry about them, I mean, I don't know.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Listen, they say popping as sexy.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is is there's real wars going on.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: In the world. And I've been doing this work for
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: nearly ten years now. I started when I left the military.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I started doing boxing. Well, I was boxing in the military,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: but I was doing boxing to raise money to do
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: these things. And I've been in war zones in Somalia,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in Congo, real gunshots going off, real bombs. We had
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to evacuate kids and all kinds of stuff, right, Seeing
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: bodies full of seeing trucks full of bodies. Right, my
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: phone's not ringing, My phone's not ringing. So people are seeing.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: If I start rapping, but start rapping about all of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody's did like, you know about you know
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: what's going on in Congo. And for me, I'm like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: are we? Are we the black bourgeoisie, and are we
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the raccoons that our slave masters wanted us to be?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Are we the house negroes?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Or what is the black?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So the black bourgeoisie is a class that's been created
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: basically to run errands for white people. The black bourgeoisi
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: class essentially are the black elites. They work for the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: powers that be to maintain the status quo, to maintain
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the order of what is going on. And if you
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: look at the black bourgeoisie. They usually have everything to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: say and nothing changes. The most opinionated because they have
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the phones, they have the platforms, et cetera, et cetera.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And I've been an activist for a long time, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: so when I look at that class of people, I'm like, well,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: say talking shit, say whatever you want to say, but
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: put some little money towards moving some of these things forward.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I say that all the time. And it's not a
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: party thing. It don't matter. It's not conservative all liberoos.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Just like these people talk talk, talk, talk so much
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: about what needs to be done, but.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: What are they actually doing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I think personally that when a revolution happens, because I've
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: been for a long time now a Pan African revolutionary,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and I've been trying to make change, and I've been
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: making change. I've been referring the highly celestic high school
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in Kingston, Jamaica. I just came from Jamaica. I've been
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: refurbishing this high school, trying to get everybody within Rasta
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to unite under this banner of we need to do
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: better for the kids. I built a school in Ghana.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I created an agricultural development program in Somalia that was
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: feeding three hundred thousand people at the same time we're
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: doing this project in Congo. We built a village with
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: twenty four houses and we now look after around two
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: hundred people. Right, this is on me, one liquor me,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: just just a one man. If you start thinking about
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: collectively what all of these people can do if they
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: put their heads together. But it's egos. Everybody wants to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: be Moses. Oh I've got to have my own foundation.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Oh I've got to have my own thing. And it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: like if somebody says to you, now, all right, Jess,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you've got to build a school, and you're gonna be like, okay,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: all right, how am I going to do this? If
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: somebody says, Jess, there's one hundred people building the school,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: do you want to put in? Is yeah, put it right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Because the other thing is is if you spend you
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: need to do the action as well. If you spend
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: all of your time talking, when you're gonna get the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: action done. And that's what I say to my brothers
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and sisters who do a lot of talking. And I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: don't mean journalists and radio show hosts. I mean the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: black bourgeoisie who have this idea that they are the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: they are the voice for the people, They're the voice
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: for the oppressed people. I'm like, you're the voice for
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the oppressed people, but what about the resources? Like what
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: are you turning that voice into actual action or you're
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: just saying that you're gonna go inspire people. I've actually
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of friends along the way because
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: they want me to speak speak speaks to speak, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I want to do do do do do? So that's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: why I do maybe, And I'm gonna come back on
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: here and I'll do more interviews to give you guys updates.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But I will do four years of work and then
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: come and talk about it. Most people go and do
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: four years of talking and do some little work. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so where where is the factory that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you promised or where is the business that you promise?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be there. And then so many,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: regardless of whether you like me or not or whatever
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I say, these things are happening. So I try and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: put shed a light on it. There's a sister, Amanda,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Amanda Seals. She blocked me. A lot of people blocked
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: me across the course of time. She blocked me because
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: during the and the only reason I'm speaking about her
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: is because people have told me that she talks about
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: me on her Patreon and I don't even talk about her, right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But the reason why she blocked me is because in
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, during the election, the same year that my
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Instagram got shut down, right because for whatever reason, they
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: didn't want me to speak to black people during that time.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: She was like, you need to tell everybody to vote
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: for Biden. I was like, I ain't going to go
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and tell no black folks to vote for no white person.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna go and do it. You can't say
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that you're an agent, you're a this, You're not a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: brother X Y and Z. I'm like, why am I? Why?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Why are we black folk fighting over which white man
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is going to rule us? I agree, Why are we
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: doing that?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know why why are we still doing that?
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know why we're so beholden to any party,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: black conservative, black liberals.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Right exactly, black nationalism. That's what Malcolm X is preaching.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Put blackness first. Blocked me and then turns around and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: starts calling Joe Biden genocide Joe, And I'm like, well,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell nobody, no black folk to vote for
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: no white folk in the first place. Have your own representation, because.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: You're not even telling people not to vote. You're saying,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to indorse.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, Because at the same time, not all
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: white folk are bad, but white systems wherever they meet
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: black people are terrible. Right, So we need our own systems.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Not all, not all Arab people are bad, but Arab
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: systems where they meet Africa it's terrible. No Chinese people
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: are bad, but Chinese systems. You see what they're doing
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: in Africa, buying up everything. You see the people in
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the Caribbean. It's the same thing. So it's like, I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: don't think that I don't think integration was the best idea.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: It might have been a good idea on paper, but
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you see what Martin Luther King said before he transitioned,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: before he was assassinated by the government by this government,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: he said, I've integrated my people into a burning building, right,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And I say that two men or two women in
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a burning building should not stop to argue. So what
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: we're arguing about, we need to just keep moving forward,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like I learned Kei Swahili, so I can be able
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to speak to people in Congo because they don't speak English.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: That's how diligent I am. That's how much work I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: trying to do. And then you have people who are
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: more concerned about rap battles, who's sleeping with who, and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the culture, it seems, is just being dragged down into nothingness.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Hip Hop used to mean something, right, and I've seen
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Omar Johnson speaking about this before. Hip hop used to
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: mean something. And at the same time, it's been fifty
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: years of hip hop. Now where is the hip hop University?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Where is the hip hop factory? Where is the hip
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: hop school? Where is the hip hop of Where is
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the hip hop offices for the elevation of young black
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and brown people in Baltimore, in New York, etc. It
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist. But these men are so opinionated, and now
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: women are so opinionated about arguing amongst each other and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: intellectually jousting with each other and like almost masturbating their
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: ego all over the internet all of the time, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: showing they are so involved in seeking white validation. They're
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: so involved in and it's not just the hip hop,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's the athletes as well. It's the actors as well,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and when I'm around them, right, So like a few
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: years ago, I was around yeay, he invited me to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the Drake and Him thing in yeah yeah, and I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: was there and I was like, why are all these
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: white folks running around? Because He's like, I'm black, I'm black,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I'm black, I'm black, and I'm getting I get it,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you're black. But that was, of course, right, you see
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you see his girl, but then you see Drake's girl
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: as well. I think Drake's was she was a porn
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: star now, right, and she's white very much right, So
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: why are we Why are we saying nigger all the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: time and talking about blackness all of the time and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and speaking on blackness when you don't live that life.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Well to your point about what hip hop can be.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: That's what Kendrick is saying right about Drake. And not
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: only that, Kendrick is also saying, where's the substance? Right,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: what are you teaching your son? You're not teaching your
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: son about any morals, any values and integrity. You're not
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: teaching your son about what God is considered. I don't
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: know if you've heard the record, but.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I heard it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that Drake should make I don't think
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he should.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I think it should be done by now. I don't
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should come back.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: White Buzz put out another one as one and yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: and Drake's not even writing it about the back well, yeah, Drake's.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Not even writing it. But but the fact, but the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: fact of the matter is is that if these two
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: men or some of the other people who are beefing
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the Future and Yay and Metro and all these people
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: put their money together, they could easily build a whole
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: hip hop institution in Nigeria and some of the best
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: music in the world will come out of there.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: What do you say to people, because you know they
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: are brothers like the Rick Rosses of the world, who
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: are he.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Blocked me as well?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Really hang out?
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Why does so much entrepreneurship Ross hires so many black people,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: He creates a lot of He creates a lot of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: things for black people.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: As far as finance and finance is concerned.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I think it needs to This is what I honestly think, brother.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I think it needs to move abroad. It needs to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: move abroad to where we where we are found all
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: over the earth. You can't just be going to Jamaica
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and be like, yo, Jamaica is nice. Jamaica is nice.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Oh you know the food was good and I left Jamaica.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Where's your hip hop school in Jamaica? Where is your
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: make some shoes? Make a shoe at a sneaker company.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Do something like I've been saying to people for years,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and this is the difference between hard power and soft power.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of these people only have soft power. They
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: don't really have They don't have it like that. They
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: don't really have bank like that. They don't have money
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: in the bank that is real money. They have credit,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they have their name right and the way that most
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: other groups are able to create wealth and generate values,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: they put their money together. They do group economics. Where
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: we are now owned by white corporate media. We are
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: now owned by contracts with different peoples. We don't actually
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: have the power. It's like, all right, I'll sit with
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you and I'll talk with you for two hours about
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: what we black folk need to do. But at the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: end of the day, my business managers white, not me,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: but speaking for them right right at the end of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the day, I need to get a loan from Chase.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I need to get
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a loan from JP Morgan. Like I can't just say,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: do you know what, guys, I've got two hundred million,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and where's yours and where's yours and where's yours and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to buy this block.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: So you're saying you can't build black systems with if
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you've got to go get the money from whites.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Well, look at community redlining here in America, right if
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: you come from a certain zip code, then you ain't
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: going to get the job. You ain't going to get
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the loan. Why if you are, if you are our
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: white imperialistic structural violence, why are you now going to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: give money to the people that you're oppressing. And look
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: at this whole thing that's been going on for a
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: few years now, since social media came about, with this
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: whole ADOS FBA and then the African African kind of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: wars that's going on. It's a back and forth wars.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And at the same time, the wars that have been
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: happening here between the cribs and the bloods and the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: gangs and the different things. It's that you're fighting over
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a block that you don't own. It's called the black neighborhood,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: but black people just live there, we don't own it, right.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: And where you look at these all of these different
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: groups fighting, whether it's you know, the Black Americans and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the Black Africans, you will see that white folk now
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: will pick often will pick Black Africans over Black African
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Americans or Black Americans because they want to continue to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: create that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Conflict British, especially in Hollywood, for roles and things that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly, And I'm not saying that Black British aren't
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: amazing actors. They are amazing actors. But the fact of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the matter is that your oppressor will always find devious
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: ways to continue to keep you oppressed while trying to
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: elevate other groups. So like for instance, Koreans, Jewish people China,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: these people will be all up in the hood, owning
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: their own hood, owning our own areas, and they are
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the pretext, or they're the pre movement for the gentrification
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of these areas. Right. And at the same time we're
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: sitting there saying, oh, well, you know, it's these Black
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Caribbeans that are you know, causing this conflict with with
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: African Americans, or it's these black Africans and they're coming
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and they're taking our jobs. It's the same rhetoric as
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the racists use when they say about black people are
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: coming and taking our jobs, et cetera, et cetera. But
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the reality is that there's very very few oppressors and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of oppressed people. And if the oppressed
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: people start coming together, like my phone should be ringing
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: off the hook, Yo, how we making My friend's got
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a gold mine in in Zambia, So why don't we
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: invest in that? And why don't we be We be
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: making millions of dollars each month in money from natural resources,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: but people are more in clinent to invest in shares
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: in Apple. But yet the CEO of Apple is saying
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that there's no conflict minerals in their products. I've got
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: an Apple product here, but I've seen the minds where
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the products come from, and there's children working in those minds.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So if we're against child labor here, why are we
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: not against child labor there? But black folk would rather
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: be like, Hey, I'm going to put some investments in Nike.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I'm want to put some investments in Apple I'm going
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to put some investments in Tesla. I'm going to get
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: my money back at the.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Same child labor, I mean all of those companies right right.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But if you now Charlemagne and Jess have shares in
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: a mind in Zimbabwe or in Zambia gold mine, and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you're going to be going there to and from you'll
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: be checking up and seeing that everything is above board
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and there's no kids working in that mine and people
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: are able to earn a living wage. You're not just
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: going to be like, yeah, well, because that's black folk.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Whereas when you're like, all right, let me get shares
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: in Tesla, you know, it's not your business. It's just
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you just hope you get a return on it. But
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: at the same time, and this is what I always
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: explain to people about primary, secondary, and tertiary economy. Not
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: so many black folk owned primary economy. Primary economy is resources,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: It is agriculture, it is land right. Secondary economy is
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: turning that those resources into something, is manufacturing, is making products.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And then the tertiary economy is where we're so focused,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: where this whole rap battle exists, is goods and services
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and entertainment. How is it that we don't own the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: entertainment industry because we don't own enough agriculture, We don't
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: own enough factories to be able to then have a
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: flourishing entertainment industry that we own. You need to own.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: There's steps to being able to get to the top
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of this world domination, and we don't own it. Like
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: where's the black military? Look at how many people here
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: have been in the military, served in Iraq, served in Afghanistan,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: left the military, and a homeless on the street. But
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: security company, a security industry is the biggest industry in Somalia.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know no black folks that are involved in that. Wow,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know no black folks that are involved in that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I was in the military and my training and the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: people that I know. If somebody came to me we
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: have planned and came to me and said, hey, can
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you create as a security company in an African country?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Were like, yeah, all right, cool, we'll do it. But
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the thing is, and this is the other thing about
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the black bourgeoisie and the gatekeepers, A lot of their
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: gatekeepers are people who have interests in their own communities
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that are not our communities. Right, So a lot of
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: most black folk that get to a certain level of wealth.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: They don't live in the hood, they don't go to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the hood. They ain't going back there, they ain't doing
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: anything there. And then when you see people like me,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you see people like Rizzard Islam, you see people like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Umar Johnson, you see people like nineteen Keys. You see
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: groups of men who were like, hey, we're doing this,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: like we're trying to do this. Everybody's just like, yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: let's try and watch this nigga Phil and they're just waiting.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: And then when they do, because nobody supports them, they're like, ha,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I told you so. I told you not to trust
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: black folk. And then you got Rick Ross. Rick Ross
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: blocked me. The reason why he blocked me, he don't
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: kill a bike a tr there too, brother, those brothers
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: cool cool, cool, cool cool brothers. I really respect them.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: But he blocked me because I was like, yeah, but
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you was a probation officer and you were you were
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: appropriating the story of Ricky Freeway, Ricky Freeway Ross, like
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: who was the we have freeway Rick Ross? Who was
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the real coke dealer? And I was trolling him, so
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: he has every right to block me, Like I'm not
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have been trolling. This was like ten years ago
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: or something, and I was just like, oh he was
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: fair too. Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Now, but you should reach out to somebody like that
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and build like like I like the energy you're putting
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: out ross, let me show you some other things.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: To put you could be invested in.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: But the other thing is this is over the years,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I've reached out to many people, and most of the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: people when I ring them or when I message them,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: they leave that message. I'm seen. They ain't bother with
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that because they're trying to work out who's going to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: go to the met what is happening with the Grammys,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: what is happening with the Oscars, What white validation is
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: going to come. I got a BET Award like four
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: years ago, five years ago. I'm doing another one. BET.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: If you're watching this, I've got a BET Award. But
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the only reason why I wanted the award was to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: speak two black folk in a mass audience. I'll see
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Global Good Award for doing the work that I've been doing.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And the same year Nipsey Post humorously got the a
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Humanitarian Award. And these these were the two awards for
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: like doing good and whatever But I was sitting in
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: this room and everybody was in this room, and I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: was like, there must be a billion in this room alone.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: This is like twenty nineteen. I was like, there must
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: be a billion in this room alone. That money could
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: be invested in something collective, a cooperative for people, and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: then we could use it to actually fix up hoods here.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to go and speak on the stage.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: They move my shit to the side stage and even
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: air on the main thing.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And that's the first year that they did that.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: The reason being, as I said about these same gatekeepers,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: is they don't want people like me who are not
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: just mobilizers but organizers as well. They don't want us
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: around us because they know that we can do for self.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm waiting for this tipping point where this genocide
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that's been going on in Congo for twenty five years
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: it becomes like how it was in the seventies and
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: in the eighties with South Africa, where everybody was like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: we need to stop this shit. We need to stop
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: it because we can't have these systems emerging where so
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: many people are being subjugated by so few people. In Congo,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: so many people are being subjugated by so few people
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: because there's no weapons factories in Congo, So how are
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they getting all these weapons? How are there so many
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: people being murdered when there's no weapons factory. Well, the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the the Bush administration and the Clinton administration was funding.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: That sounds like the same thing that happened in the
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: hoods of America.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Here, the same thing that happens in the hoods in Jamaica.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, we don't have no weapons factories. Why is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: it full of weapons. We don't make no drugs, we
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: don't have no cocaine, no.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Gun manufactures made in Harlem, right exactly?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: You know, Brown said, but but but then and then
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: white folks speak about black people like, oh, they're just
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: so violent. It's like, bro, look at your armies. What
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: do you mean we're so violent? Yeah, we're going to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: be violent where you remove always like look at when
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: here in America when they resources, they removed all the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: blue collar jobs. They filled the hoods with crack, and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: then they and then they killed all of our leaders.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And then they said go on, then go and go
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: and go and go and go and work it out.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: And where are we now today? Are we in a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: better situation. I know that you and you right now,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: whoever gets elected, you ain't got no hope for the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: hood being fixed, any of the hoods.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Not path what I'm doing, not paths, what we're like,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: what we're attempting to do in our own communities.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Right. But but what I'm saying is is these things
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: should be done in a way that there is So
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: for instance, it's a very basic thing. So I have
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: a fruit company, and I've been sending fruit to every
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: celebrity that you can think of and many people for
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: years now, because.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I mean send a shaka.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah oh you bought some, Yeah you better, thank you,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: thank you, just two pieces of I love it, but.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: One for me and my baby fruit. This is from Jamaica.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Is a pair.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: This is East Indian mango.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you because I was like, I think you
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: came me. It's kind of like Coco battering opportunities.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you got into that about the fruit because
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you, what what can people do
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: if they want to get involved, they want to get
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: involved in the work that you're doing in the Congo.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: If they just want to get involved in what you
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: got going on, that's for you.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: He's got it to you with a.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: History of indigenous slavery in Ghana from the fifteenth to
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the nineteenth century.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Because that once you read that book, that's going to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: dispel all of the conversation all Africans sold Africans. First,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they did, but not into chattle slavery.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: They weren't trying to sell Africans into what Europeans have
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: done with Africans or what Arabs have done with Africans.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It's just like how you have people. Some people in
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: society is like have you got your blue check? Oh,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: you haven't got your blue check. You're not as high
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: as me and society. There was a classism that existed
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: in Africa where if you have, you know, if your
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: family is not of noble blood or whatever, then you
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: might just be a laborer all of your life. It
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: was indentured servitude. There was indentured labor. There was indentured labor.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't you can't we're going to breed each children,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: We're gonna rape you, We're gonna you know, steal you babies,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna It wasn't that. It was just like
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you're a lower class, so you're gonna do that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Job, you know, so how can people get involved with
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: what you do? In shock?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I think somebody needs to fix my Instagram because I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: need to be able to speak to more people, right
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: because like last month, I posted a video and it
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: got forty million views, and now I'm posting a video
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and it's getting five thousand views. So that's that's being done.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: They can go to Iheartafrica dot org, which is our
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: website for the charity when we launched this city, because
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: we're going to launch this city very soon in Ghana.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: In Ghana, people and will have mortgages so people can
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: actually because I know that a lot of Americans don't
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: just have a spare two hundred three hundred thousand dollars
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: there buy a house in Ghana, come and move home.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Be part of this movement because everybody's going to have
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you been to go no? No?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: If you if you've ever been to Ghana and you've
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: partied there at Christmas, it is fire. But people are
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: leaving afterwards because they got to go back to a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: job that they don't like and live in a country
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: in a house that they don't want to be in,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and they're paying stupid rent, Like look at the cost
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: of living here, and then you're liveing in some like
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you're living in a in a phone booth, you're living
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in a desk cubicle. But this is this is a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: studio apartment. You're paying two thousand and three thousand dollars
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I am going to restart the Fruit Company because I
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: had to put it on hold while I built this
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: village in Congo. The I'm trying to make the village
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: in Congo completely self sustainable so that the people there
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: are able to produce soap, to produce furniture, produce things
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that can look after all the kids. Because when you're
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: brought a child and both their parents have been killed,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: that's your child now, so you have to figure out
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a way to look after that kid. So that's what
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: we've been doing there in Congo. But what I want
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to do, and this is maybe something that you could
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: be involved in and you could be involved in. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: want to restart the Black Panthers People's free food program
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and the Breakfast Club. I want to restart that. I
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: want to restart that with because one of my friends,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, and there's a lot of good brothers out
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: there as well, and good sisters who've helped me along
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the way. Colin Kaepernick is one of them. Lenny Kravitz
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: is another one of them. Kyrie irving big support, Like
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: he gave us one hundred k to the village. He
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: didn't put it on Instagram, he didn't say anything. But
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: we use that to build ten houses for people, right.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Is he?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Kaepernick started the Your Rights Camp, Know Your Rights Camp,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and they've been teaching kids their rights. But I think
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: that we should be going further than that, and every
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: single inner city school in North America should be able
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to get natural fruits and natural foods to kids before
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: they get on that school problem program where they're about
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to eat some eggs and ham and some bread and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: some pizza and that's that food, and then we wonder
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: why the kids are running around and being crazy.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: But we can definitely do that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I just started an initiative with the Food Bank NYC
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: for the same reason. I wanted to do the same thing.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: We're the Breakfast Club. I wanted to start like a
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: breakfast program, but you know, they feed hundreds of thousands
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: of people, you know, a month at the Food Bank
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: NYC dot org. So, I mean they would love to
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: take donations of fresh fruits and vegetables.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: We can definitely do That's that's one thing.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: See people will be like, yo, I got my my
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: ros Royce. That's a flex. They did take these videos
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and have them walking out of their cars and they'd
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: be like, Oh, I got this outfit from so and so.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: That's a flex. A flex is feeding the kids.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Especially if you can say I was responsible for one
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand people eating, right.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: I like that, you know what I mean?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: A flex is feeding the kids. There's a lot of
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: kids that grew up in that Black Panthers Free People's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: free food program. Remember what adults right now who have
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: done amazing things, but you ain't gonna pay attention or
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do. Starving and especially not
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: just starving, we have to be eating foods that are
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: compatible with our genotype. If we've got melanin right, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: this is it has been become a buzzword. We're carbonated beans, right,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: we need the sun and we need natural fruits. We're
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: like a plant, right. And if you are feeding this
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: melanin with high froctose corn syrup, you're feeding this melanin
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: with salt, and you're feeding this melanin with hydrogenated oils.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: You're not feeding the melanie, you're starving it. That's why
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: people be looking cracky and not be looking healthy, looking crazy.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: But it's true. It's like people people be out here.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: What what what did I see the other day yesterday
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: as Sukihanna broker tooth on a crab, boil a veneer.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: The fact that we even getting veneers, The fact that
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: we are even why she ain't got no real tooth? Right,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: God gave you that right. We be out here praying
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: every Sunday for salvation and giving our tithe to the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: pastor and doing all of these things right, and we
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: disrespect what God gave us. Like God gave us teeth,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: God gave us eyes, God gave us our own black
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: people hair, God gave us our own intelligence.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: And what do we do?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: We pray for a day that white Jesus is gonna
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: come and save us. We pray for that day. At
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the same time as if you want to look at
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Christianity like Orthodox Christianity is in Ethiopia, how many Black
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Americans who call themselves Christians are trying to go to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Ethiopia and learn about it. Ain't it's a colonization thing.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: You're giving that too much right now, the last time
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you're gonna Okay, I heeart Africa.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: IHeart Africa dot org. And people can come and follow
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: my Instagram. But when people give us money, Shaka bar,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to type in the full thing
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have to search for a post
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: that has my name on it and then follow me
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and then there's gonna be a one shadow band for
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a long time.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Port what Shaka is doing. He will be back here. Okay,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: iHeart that Africa dot or Shaka.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming, my brother.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You enjoyed the man and we and we should try
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: to feed as many kids as possible because that is
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: our duty. If we want to if we want to
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: speak about God, that we need to do God's work.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I'm already in bed with Food Bank n YC. So
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: let me let's do it all right, Shaka bars, y'all club.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Breakfast Club